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| sarob | Cloudtoa_ morning | 17:00 |
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| cloudtoa_ | good morning! | 17:00 |
| alexsyip | good morning folks. | 17:00 |
| thinrichs | Hi all! | 17:00 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 13 17:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:00 |
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| sarob | A | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Last week I forgot to start the meeting. Logs can be found here… | 17:01 |
| sarob | Oops | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting-3/%23openstack-meeting-3.2015-01-06.log | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Search for "thinrichs" | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Let's get started with status updates from people who have high-priority blueprints. | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | cloadtoa_: want to go first? | 17:02 |
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| arosen1 | Hi | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | arosen1: Hi—we're starting with status updates from people with high-priority blueprints. | 17:03 |
| cloudtoa_ | sure | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | cloudtoa_: How's the control bus design going? | 17:04 |
| cloudtoa_ | The control-bus blueprint will be up today. | 17:04 |
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| cloudtoa_ | The hierarchical DSE and table middle-ware will be up over next couple of days. | 17:05 |
| cloudtoa_ | These blueprints have relationships/dependencies with each other, so I needed a little time to sort that out. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | Any questions about the control-bus that you think the group should discuss as a whole? (Stuff that might be hard to do over Gerrit comments.) | 17:06 |
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| thinrichs | Maybe even just a few sentences about the design? | 17:06 |
| cloudtoa_ | I'll summarize the blueprint... | 17:06 |
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| cloudtoa_ | We will create a new class "data services plane" or "data services domain" and this class will contain a route table and a "collections directory." When modules are loaded they register with the directory. The directory will contain a list of loaded modules and their associated data collections (i.e., tables, etc). | 17:08 |
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| cloudtoa_ | All modules subscribe to this directory automatically. When a module subscribes to a collection, it will look for it in the directory. When updates to the directory occur, each module will evaluate it's list of desired subscriptions against the new directory listing. | 17:09 |
| cloudtoa_ | This will eliminate a lot of chatter in the DSE. This will also lend itself to multiprocess Congress when we get to that point (individual processes can share their directories). | 17:10 |
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| cloudtoa_ | All told. | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | Less chatter on the DSE should help with debugging. So that's great! | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | Moving us toward a multiprocess version of Congress is also great! | 17:11 |
| alexsyip | where does the directory live? | 17:11 |
| alexsyip | On the congress server ? | 17:12 |
| cloudtoa_ | Within the new "Data services plane" object. This object will contain the routeTable and the directory. | 17:12 |
| rajdeepd | what does a module mean in this case? | 17:12 |
| cloudtoa_ | A datasource driver, the policy-engine, etc. It's a deepsix module. | 17:12 |
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| cloudtoa_ | Alexsyip: where we instantiate a routeTable object now, we will instantiate a "Data services plane" object instead. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | Having a single routeTable/directory is okay here because when we move to multiprocess every process is an instance of DSE, which means it has its own routeTable/directory. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | Is that right? | 17:15 |
| cloudtoa_ | Yes... | 17:15 |
| alexsyip | So does every module have it's own copy of the directory ? | 17:16 |
| cloudtoa_ | Yes... but it's not a large data structure. | 17:16 |
| alexsyip | Ok, I'm just curious, not saying there's a problem. | 17:16 |
| alexsyip | Sounds good to me. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | Any other questions/comments about the control bus? | 17:17 |
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| arosen2 | sounds good to me. I think the design will be more clear once we start seeing code for it as well :) | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | Remember that the DSE is how the policy engine and datasource drivers communicate. | 17:17 |
| rajdeepd | so route table is eventually consistent | 17:17 |
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| cloudtoa_ | The directory is eventually consistent, the routeTable is separate. | 17:18 |
| arosen2 | cloudtoa_: are we actually writing things to disk? I'm a little confused by choice of words "directory" | 17:19 |
| rajdeepd | how do we make sure directory is not a single point of failure | 17:19 |
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| alexsyip | The directory shares fate with each module right? | 17:20 |
| cloudtoa_ | arosen2: No. I should change the wording. It ultimately is just a table in memory. | 17:20 |
| alexsyip | It's just keeping track of which other modules exist. | 17:20 |
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| arosen2 | cloudtoa_: ah okay. | 17:20 |
| alexsyip | So if the directory dies, the associated module will die also. | 17:20 |
| cloudtoa_ | rajdeepd: For a given set of modules talking to each other, there is a routeTable object, for instance. If this dies, there is no routing between the modules. the routeTable and this new "directory" will be contained together within a new "data services plane" object. If this object dies, then you have no DSE. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | Let's wrap this up in 1 minute so we have time for everyone else. | 17:22 |
| rajdeepd | i am assuming HA architecture will come later then | 17:22 |
| cloudtoa_ | Yes... but let's move discussion to Congress after meeting if you like. | 17:23 |
| cloudtoa_ | sorry the #congress chat room, I meant. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | Yep—I'd suggest we continue this on #congress after the meeting. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | (Or if it's too late for you rajdeep, maybe on the mailing list.) | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on to another blueprint. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | zhipeng: how are you doing on the policy engine triggers? | 17:24 |
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| rajdeepd | thinrichs : ok | 17:24 |
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| thinrichs | zhipeng: we'll come back to you. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan emailed me saying he's working on adding modal operators. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | This would enable us to write things like... | 17:26 |
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| thinrichs | execute[disconnectNetwork(vm, net)] :- error(vm), nova:network(vm, net) | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | That is, modals allow us to write nice-looking policies to do reactive enforcement. | 17:27 |
| arosen2 | nice | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | He's currently working on the unifier. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | It's still a WIP, but I'll find the link. One sec. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144922/ | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | I also know that srangare has been working on adding aggregates (like sum/count) to the policy engine. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | This would let us write policies like "there's an error if there are at least 5 VMs with certain characteristics". | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140253/ | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | Another blueprint that's actively being developed is one where we're integrating Congress with Murano (an application-catalog). | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | They found a limitation of the Congress client, where the URLs we're constructing are too long. | 17:33 |
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| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1410080 | 17:33 |
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| thinrichs | I haven't looked into whether this is a problem with the client or the API itself. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | Any takers? | 17:33 |
| arosen2 | it's a problem with the server. | 17:33 |
| arosen2 | I can take this one. | 17:34 |
| * arosen2 a problem with the api i mean | 17:34 | |
| thinrichs | Great! They seem to be moving quickly, so let's do what we can to not be a blocker for them. | 17:34 |
| arosen2 | yup | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | Overall, that project seems to be going well. Having someone do a deep integration with Congress is exciting! | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | Another blueprint: horizon-create-policies. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | jwy: How's that going? | 17:35 |
| jwy | all right, started building up the framework for that | 17:35 |
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| thinrichs | jwy: want to briefly describe how people will be adding/deleting policy statements through horizon? | 17:37 |
| jwy | sure | 17:37 |
| jwy | from the page listing all the policies, there is a button to add a new policy | 17:38 |
| jwy | from the policy's detail pages, where the rules would be listed, there is a button to add a new rule | 17:38 |
| jwy | the interesting part will be the form for adding the rule, which is still a work in progress | 17:39 |
| jwy | does that general workflow make sense | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | The workflow seems good to me. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | When the user adds a new rule, do we have a text-box pop up dynamically at the end of the existing rules? Or does a new form pop up? | 17:40 |
| jwy | new form | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | I could imagine the author wanting to see the other rules while writing the new one. | 17:41 |
| jwy | i see | 17:41 |
| jwy | ok let me think about how that could happen | 17:42 |
| jwy | in general, for horizon integration, can i assume that the horizon installed in conjunction with congress will have the latest code? | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | That's a good question. | 17:43 |
| arosen2 | i think that's a good assumption | 17:43 |
| arosen2 | i don't think we want to make things that complicated on ourselfs initially. | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | It'd be nice to work with older instances of Horizon. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | Most customers don't run on the bleeding edge. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | But we definitely need to work on the newest version, so let's start there. | 17:44 |
| arosen2 | i'd guess in most cases it should work with older versions out of the box? Though I think it would be hard for us to test this without a lot of effort per say. | 17:45 |
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| jwy | there were some changes made in horizon in november which i had just sent a patch out for, but that would break older horizons | 17:45 |
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| jwy | i'll revise that patch to handle older versions then | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | I see. | 17:45 |
| jwy | since nov is pretty recent | 17:45 |
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| jwy | sorry, getting off track from blueprints! | 17:46 |
| jwy | that's all i have about mine | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | jwy: Do what you think is right here. Find the balance between being backwards compatible and getting the features in place that we need. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | But this is an important discussion. | 17:46 |
| jwy | ok, thanks | 17:46 |
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| thinrichs | Let's try this again.. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | zhipeng: you around? | 17:48 |
| sarob_ | China time | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | Bp update by end of wk | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | I see. | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | -nick sarob | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | \nick sarob | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | zhipeng is working on policy-triggers, which are crucial for our reactive enforcement push in this cycle. | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | Arg | 17:50 |
| arosen2 | other way / sarob_ :P | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | There's also the action-execution-interface, which is crucial, and I haven't heard from kitho. | 17:51 |
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| sarob | :) | 17:51 |
| sarob | Kitho is people constrained | 17:51 |
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| thinrichs | A few minutes left. Who else wants to report on status? | 17:52 |
| sarob | Murano bp only right now | 17:52 |
| arosen2 | I'm working on a neutronv2 datasource driver. Hopefully that should be good to go soon. Here's the spec if anyone wants to read about it: https://review.openstack.org/146928 | 17:53 |
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| arosen2 | there's also a wip patch that implemements it. Just working on adding testing now. | 17:54 |
| arosen2 | .....that's it..... | 17:54 |
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| sarob | That's it for me too | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | rajdeepd: you still with us? | 17:56 |
| rajdeepd | yes | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | (It's really late for him in India.) | 17:56 |
| rajdeepd | no updates this week | 17:56 |
| rajdeepd | warming up in the new year :) | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | rajdeepd: :) | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | As are we all. | 17:57 |
| rajdeepd | will sync with jwy | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | 3 minutes left. Anything else to bring up (and possibly continue in #congress)? | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | Okay. Let's call it then. | 17:59 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| rajdeepd | thanks | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdkk | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | (sorry, typo'ed the name) | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | if you're here for the python-openstacksdk meeting, say hi | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:01 |
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| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Ian Cordasco, Rackspace | 19:03 |
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| briancurtin | so from last time, a couple of reviews that had been hanging went through for some doc stuff. could still use some thoughts on the swift proxy - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | one thing i said i was going to do, that i sort of started on - building out compute/network proxies - i'm thinking about holding off on in favor of potentially building out resource and proxy for the Poppy CDN project. it's new and currently has zero client support, so a good chance to get in before they go off and add to the pile of -client projects | 19:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | That sounds interesting | 19:06 |
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| briancurtin | that also has the potential added bonus of gaining some real world users if we build that out, because Rackspace is planning to ship Poppy as "Rackspace CDN", so having the openstack lib available and then having the rackspace plugins for auth and whatnot ready, could get the project into users hands | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | i dont expect it to be any significant workload as the API didn't look too large, but it'll also put the plugin stuff through a few rounds as well as seeing how to work with provider-specifc things | 19:08 |
| stevelle | solid plan | 19:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | +1 | 19:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Might be able to get some Poppy developers interested in helping out too | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | do any of the non-rackspace people like that? there's a clear rackspace benefit there, but i think doing this now versus later will provide benefit to this project as well | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | (and to openstack in general) | 19:09 |
| jamielennox | sure, only concern is what precedent it sets in terms of non-incubated projects being in the sdk | 19:10 |
| jamielennox | but i don't really mind at this early point | 19:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ is a good question | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: i'd have to look back through logs to figure out what we decided, but i seem to remember that we didn't want the barrier to be all that high in the interests of building *the* place to consume openstack and associated services | 19:12 |
| stevelle | I don't recall, was keeping to integrated and/or incubated part of the scope? | 19:12 |
| jamielennox | my objection from summit was allowing everyone to play via setuptools entrypoints and things getting out of hand and inconsistent | 19:13 |
| briancurtin | i think there was some talk about namespacing them, such that official projects are just in, and perhaps things like poppy go in some other namespace for projects like that (however you define it) | 19:13 |
| jamielennox | if we have too many projects that want to be in the SDK then cross that bridge when we get there | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | if the sdk supported extensions for this kind of thing, I think that would be great | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | using entry points so the vendor specific stuff could come from another project | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | there was some discussion about how to do this, but I forget all the details | 19:14 |
| briancurtin | yeah i forget some of the details, but i know vendor things in-tree are strongly frowned upon or not even allowed, so extensions for them seem like the way | 19:15 |
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| terrylhowe | should probably have some standard like ‘rax-cdn’ or something for the name | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | sort of side note: i do want to try at some point to make an installer that can unify those vendor extensions, so you can really just install one thing and be able to work with multiple clouds, but that's for another time | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | anyway, it sounds like doing this CDN thing now and going through some of this work has support, so i'm going to go on with it | 19:18 |
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| terrylhowe | awesome, I look forward to seeing it. I’d like to do something similar | 19:21 |
| briancurtin | anything else going on to chat about? | 19:22 |
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| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:24 |
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| stevelle | same | 19:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: last week you had added some test coverage to a class | 19:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I rebased it carefully for you | 19:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think the tests are failing but at least they're being run | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | sigmavirus24: yeah i had done that as well locally but that's where the tests started going haywire. maybe i'll pull from your rebase and try to fix from there | 19:25 |
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| briancurtin | sigmavirus24: even given the same hashseed, so the same test ordering, completely random failures...which is scary for a project like this. i could never nail it down, but i'll try again and see what happens | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | rather, not completely random - the same handful of tests would fail on different versions during different runs | 19:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah I didn't have a chance to see if I could nail down the failures | 19:27 |
| briancurtin | i'll take a look in the next day or so i think | 19:27 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 13 19:29:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-01-13-19.00.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-01-13-19.00.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-01-13-19.00.log.html | 19:29 |
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