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| SergeyLukjanov | ping sahara folks | 14:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anyone [already] not [yet] slipping? | 14:00 |
| kchen | 0/ | 14:01 |
| kazuki_oikawa | hi | 14:01 |
| huichun | hi | 14:01 |
| weiting | hi | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 15 14:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hi folks | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
| elmiko | mornin | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, morning | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, morning | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, please | 14:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Usual update: Horizon reviews linger. | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | So we have a bunch of changes as always waiting | 14:02 |
| crobertsrh | I'm part way finished with a "cluster creation guide" mode | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, could you please make a single etherpad | 14:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | with all changes on review in horizon related sahara | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with launchpad bug id, title and state | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | That's a fine idea. | 14:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I guess we could use a single topic in the changes, and then filter by it in gerrit | 14:03 |
| aignatov | o/ | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 14:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | but the etherpad will definitely work | 14:04 |
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| sreshetnyak | i'm working on migration to openjdk and new integration tests | 14:05 |
| tmckay | I've just about got spark/swift support done for EDP. There is one issue, though, which is the jackson-mapper-asl jar version. Not sure what to do about that. Upgrade of CDH version might fix it. | 14:06 |
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| tmckay | Or, we may have to carry a version of the jar ourselves, or we might have to fix up the hadoop plugin to avoid the issue | 14:07 |
| tmckay | Currently I am adding the jackson jar to the nodes manually for development | 14:07 |
| tmckay | Spark wrapper is based on oikawa 's Oozie Java wrapper, thanks oikawa! | 14:07 |
| tmckay | maybe he's not here | 14:08 |
| kazuki_oikawa | / | 14:08 |
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| tmckay | oh, hi! wrong name :) | 14:08 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, also, we should talk about location to store wrapper jars and sources | 14:09 |
| * tmckay hasn't checked comments on the review last couple day | 14:09 | |
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| tmckay | no new comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115884/ | 14:10 |
| huichun | Hi sreshetnyak are you working on adding new integration tests for the others services by writing the examples ? | 14:10 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115884/ | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (/me forgot to switch topic) | 14:11 |
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| sreshetnyak | Hi huichun. I'm working on adding new integration tests for all services and all plugins | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:12 |
| sreshetnyak | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147219/ | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | I'm still working on a "guided mode" for cluster creation. It's almost done. Then I'll do something for job creation/execution. | 14:13 |
| elmiko | i've been continuing work on the sahara security guide, there is a lot of ground to cover but i'm making progress. also, i was able to run bandit against the sahara codebase, it went smoothly and reported some thing that we might investigate. | 14:14 |
| elmiko | #link https://gist.github.com/elmiko/94f063583912a5d8c3cb | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, the best location is tarballs.o.o I'm still working on generic solution to store things there for sahara and hope to make it soon | 14:14 |
| elmiko | ^^ bandit output | 14:14 |
| crobertsrh | In general, it's a single page with plenty of descriptive text for each step and links to the required forms to complete each step. Hopefully, it will help the newer users find their way. | 14:14 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay. Maybe we can store a jackson jar there if we need to, as well | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup I think | 14:14 |
| kchen | hi sreshetnyak. Huichun is mainly focus on CDH plugin services. | 14:15 |
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| kchen | I think his work is a bit different from yours. | 14:15 |
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| kchen | crobertsrh. what do you mean by "guided mode"? | 14:16 |
| crobertsrh | It's a "wizard-like" mode to help novice users through cluster creation. | 14:17 |
| crobertsrh | It currently utilizes the existing forms, but ties them together in an understandable way | 14:17 |
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| kchen | it sounds good to me. I am also thinking of this question. | 14:17 |
| tmckay | kchen, maybe huichun can help me figure out the CDH spark assembly jackson-mapper-asl version issue | 14:18 |
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| crobertsrh | kchen: I hope to have a patch up sometime soon. | 14:18 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, it occurred to me yesterday that the UI might not have the support in it yet for buttons to set the data source substitution options | 14:18 |
| crobertsrh | Or, I may just have screenshots for next week's meeting. | 14:18 |
| kchen | crobertsrh: great. | 14:18 |
| crobertsrh | tmckay: that is correct. | 14:18 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, we haven't talked about that since 2014 :) | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:19 |
| tmckay | patch should be merged soon. I thought it was already but SergeyLukjanov dinged my commit message ;-) | 14:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oops, sorry | 14:19 |
| huichun_ | hi sreshetnyak sorry for lost connection, I am working on the integration tests for the new servcies too, but met some issue | 14:19 |
| tmckay | haha, no problem | 14:19 |
| kchen | crobertsrh, do we have a review link for that patch? | 14:20 |
| crobertsrh | Not yet. | 14:20 |
| crobertsrh | It's still rather ugly at the moment. I'm still playing with some ideas and trying things that may or may not work. | 14:20 |
| huichun_ | for example. how can we add classpath in the example jar? for example. we wrote a HBaseTest.jar, but it depends on hbase-client.jar, so how can we pass `hbase classpath` by using java action? | 14:21 |
| tmckay | huichun_, do you know a lot about CDH? I might need to talk with you about the jackson issue I've run into | 14:21 |
| huichun_ | hi tmckay | 14:21 |
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| tmckay | I'm talking about the Spark image specifically | 14:21 |
| weiting | tmckay, which version you used in Spark, version 4, right? | 14:22 |
| tmckay | weiting, yes | 14:22 |
| kchen | I am working on CDH version management now, and I expected to have a patch soon. The first patch draft maybe by early next week. | 14:22 |
| tmckay | 5 might fix the issue, haven't checked | 14:22 |
| huichun_ | tmckay, sorry for lost connection, miss your words just now | 14:22 |
| tmckay | huichun_, that's okay. I have an issue with the spark assembly jar in the Spark image for Sahara. I wondered if you had some expertise there (it is a CDH image) | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, that's cool, we're really missing version management for CDH | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, we have an action item from the last meeting for elmiko -- ACTION: elmiko to run bandit against codebase | 14:25 |
| elmiko | yea | 14:25 |
| elmiko | #link https://gist.github.com/elmiko/94f063583912a5d8c3cb | 14:25 |
| elmiko | that's the result | 14:25 |
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| elmiko | it went pretty smoothly, i just followed the bandit instructions and it ran without issue | 14:25 |
| huichun_ | hi tmckay, we could talk it offline by email? | 14:25 |
| tmckay | huichun_, certainly, thanks | 14:25 |
| kchen | oh one thing. currently cdh integration edp and hive test can pass. so need we turn it back to voting? | 14:26 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: it mostly doesn't like us using /tmp, but probably doesn't realize that's on the nodes. | 14:26 |
| elmiko | still, might be something to investigate for improving on-node security | 14:26 |
| tmckay | kchen, +1 | 14:26 |
| huichun_ | hi, SergeyLukjanov, should we add shell action and sqoop action in edp job type? | 14:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, good question, I think spec needed for it and could be discussed in spec review | 14:27 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i think next steps with regards to bandit will be to dig into these warnings and determine what the OSSG recommends | 14:28 |
| tmckay | huichun_, also, one thing we've talked about but never had time to implement is raw Oozie workflows | 14:28 |
| huichun_ | ok. I have made a bp, and will update the specs | 14:28 |
| tmckay | huichun_, user uploads own workflow.xml | 14:28 |
| tmckay | that would allow users to use more Oozie features, like dags and so on | 14:29 |
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| huichun_ | tmckay, you mean user can upload his own workflow.xml by horizion page? | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, thx | 14:29 |
| tmckay | huichun_, yes | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, thanks for making security work | 14:29 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: np, i'll keep pushing forward | 14:30 |
| huichun_ | i found this problem, currently we have no way to add like classpath for the Java action, right ? tcmky | 14:30 |
| huichun_ | tmckay | 14:31 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, hmmm. There is a java options config that can be set, but I'm not sure how Oozie handles that | 14:31 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, but we have a general mechanism of "edp.xxx" configs where we can pass anything we need to the EDP engines. So we should be able to add it if we need something else | 14:32 |
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| tmckay | huichun, edp.java.java_opts | 14:33 |
| huichun | hi, tmckay, we have tried | 14:33 |
| huichun | but it's not work, we pass `hbase classpath` in the Java_opts, but failed | 14:34 |
| tmckay | huichun, I can help you investigate, I think | 14:34 |
| huichun | hi, tmckay, we can talk this offline | 14:35 |
| huichun | thanx tmckay | 14:35 |
| tmckay | huichun, agreed | 14:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on :) | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Bug/doc/spec days | 14:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | big topic I'd like to chat about | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO we need bug triage and bug fix days | 14:36 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we already have many issues in lp | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | too many imo | 14:37 |
| crobertsrh | +1. Been a long time since last bug day | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | docs are not bad | 14:37 |
| elmiko | we also need more reviews on bug fixes | 14:37 |
| tmckay | +1 | 14:37 |
| tmckay | maybe even 2 days | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega_ | +1 | 14:38 |
| tmckay | next week? | 14:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/sahara-specs+AND+status:open,n,z specs are in a good shape IMO | 14:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, we need two separated days | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one to triage and plan what should be fixed, find volunteers | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and one to only fix prioritized issues | 14:39 |
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| elmiko | i'd be ok with a 2 day hack-a-thon ;) | 14:39 |
| elmiko | er, bug-fix-a-thon | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it could be done like a virtual sprint | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it means we'll agree on some time to start on | 14:40 |
| elmiko | tmckay proposed sometime next week, is that too soon? | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nope, it works bad for this task, rollback :) | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about next two mondays? | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jan 19 and 26 | 14:41 |
| tmckay | +1, sounds good to me | 14:41 |
| elmiko | 19th for planning/triage, 26th for fixing? | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it makes volunteers able to fix some bugs after triaging and before the bug fix day | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah | 14:42 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:42 |
| crobertsrh | Those should work for me. +1 | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | at what time could we try to start between locations? | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega_ | i can help out as well | 14:42 |
| sreshetnyak | +1 | 14:42 |
| kchen | will we hold a meeting for that or not? | 14:43 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: for planning we could the same time as this meeitng | 14:43 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, when the first contributors wake up on Monday til the last ones go to bed :) | 14:43 |
| tmckay | So maybe it starts Sunday night in my time zone | 14:44 |
| elmiko | well, if we plan for the 19th at UTC14:00 in #openstack-sahara, we could try to catch many people. (although it will be tough for west coast USA) | 14:44 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, there is always eavesdrop, too, if someone has to catchup | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ for Jan 18 1400 UTC | 14:45 |
| elmiko | kchen, weiting, kazuki_oikawa, how late/early is UTC14:00 for you guys? | 14:45 |
| kchen | 10pm | 14:45 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, 18th or 19th | 14:45 |
| weiting | UTC+8 in our zone | 14:45 |
| elmiko | k, thanks. kinda late to start triaging bugs though... | 14:46 |
| kchen | the time is ok for us | 14:46 |
| kazuki_oikawa | 11pm (UTC+9). but the time is ok. | 14:46 |
| elmiko | ok, great then | 14:46 |
| huichun | the same time as we are right now | 14:46 |
| elmiko | yea, i just thought it might be late to start triaging. but if you guys are ok with it that's awesome =) | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, 19th | 14:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, that's awesome! | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed bug triage day at Jan 19th starting at 1400 UTC | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about bug fixing day? | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the same, but Jan 26th? | 14:48 |
| mattf | isn't that every day? | 14:48 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:49 |
| tmckay | mattf, some days are bug creation days | 14:49 |
| kchen | :D | 14:49 |
| mattf | tmckay, good call | 14:49 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, +1 same on 26th | 14:50 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:50 |
| tosky | so is it also for specs, or are they handled in the usual way? | 14:51 |
| elmiko | tosky: we are mostly up to date on specs | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | specs are in a good shape | 14:51 |
| elmiko | but too many bugs =( | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed bug fix day at Jan 26th starting at 1400 UTC | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 7 mins left, anything else to discuss? | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussions | 14:52 |
| elmiko | always looking for more eyes on the ongoing security guide etherpad | 14:53 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-security-guide-notes | 14:53 |
| tellesnobrega_ | i have a question about storm edp, are we planing to have it in kilo? | 14:54 |
| tosky | can we talk about the new yaml-based test scenario spec on the channel after the meeting? | 14:55 |
| tosky | also: did you recently try to generate the hdp2 centos6._6_ image? | 14:55 |
| tmckay | tellesnobrega_, is it done? | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, sure (re new tests) | 14:56 |
| tmckay | tellesnobrega_, apologies, I'm behind on reviews | 14:56 |
| tmckay | tellesnobrega_, if it's finished, and we have integration tests, and it passes ... and it's in by the feature freeze | 14:57 |
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| tmckay | then I would say "sure!" ^^ | 14:57 |
| tmckay | otherwise L | 14:57 |
| tellesnobrega_ | not ready, i will send the spec tomorrow or the day after | 14:58 |
| tellesnobrega_ | still need to approve that in order to implement it all | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:58 |
| tellesnobrega_ | when is feature freeze? | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | FPF is March 5 | 14:58 |
| tellesnobrega_ | SergeyLukjanov, thanks | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think you have enough time to get approves :) | 14:58 |
| tmckay | tellesnobrega_, that's proposal freeze, feature freeze is March 19 | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, folks, please, review Indirect access done by alazarev | 14:59 |
| tellesnobrega_ | yeah | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 14:59:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| tmckay | I plan to finish swift/spark, then review for several days straight | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-15-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-15-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-15-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| tmckay | bye folks | 15:00 |
| kchen | bye | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega_ | bye | 15:00 |
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| pc_m_ | hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 15:02 |
| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:02 |
| tidwellr | hello | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry for the delay. Had IRC trouble with the channel. Had to restart. | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: tidwellr: good morning | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: hi | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle_ | hi | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle_ | sorry for the delay | 15:03 |
| mrsmith | hi | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 15 15:03:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:03 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Kilo-2 is Feb 5. Going to sneak up on us very quickly. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t see any new bugs since last week. However, I only did half the triage that I was going to do. So, I need to finish. Just a couple more to triage. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin to finish bug triage | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs to bring up? | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we’ve made some great progress on this. We’re starting to get some things untangled. | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | This morning, I’m going to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142644 and rebase it in to the chain to merge soon. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle_ | :-) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith also reminded me about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136042 which I think I can work in today. | 15:08 |
| mrsmith | +1 | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: Anything new on namespace refactoring? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle_ | mlavalle_: it's taking me a little bit longer than I expected, but making progress | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle_ | carl_baldwin: I should push at the end of the day | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: ping me when it is ready. Meanwhile, I’ll work on getting the above two worked in ^^. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle_ | so you can start looking at it. I am tracking closely your fip namesapaces patch, so we should align easily | 15:10 |
| mlavalle_ | will do | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: I think my fip namespace one has stabilized. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145565/ | 15:11 |
| mlavalle_ | yeah, it looks good. the only alignment I think will be needed is to move some methods to parent classes in my patchset | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Rajeev: thank you for your comments. I will look at them today. | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: right. I think that will be mostly mechanical. | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle_ | yeap | 15:12 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: you are welcome, I reviewed patch #9, will try to look at the newer version | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: The newer one is probably about the same. Let me see. | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | Ok. The only thing I did in patch set 10 was to revert the inlining of _get_external_device_interface_name | 15:14 |
| Rajeev | got it. | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | I was going to comment on that in #9 :) | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: :) | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think the big step for this week will be to lift a lot of the code from the agent to the router classes. | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | … and trying to keep a steady pace of merging the patches which are ready. | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin - lifting in the current patches or new patches? | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142863/ | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | I plan to resume this one today. | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | gotcha | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle_ | carl_baldwin: It seems to me we are in good shape for kilo-2 | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Do you think that the snat namespace stuff could be encapsulated similarly to the fip namespace? | 15:19 |
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| mrsmith | yes, the thought crossed my mind while reviewing the fip ns patch | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | didn't sort out the details - but yes | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle_ | carl_baldwin: I am taking a stab at that in my patchset | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I think it would be significantly less complex than fip. | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | the snat ns is really just a subset/version of the qrouter ns | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: Okay. I didn’t know that. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle_: Now I really want to see it. :) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle_ | :-) | 15:20 |
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| mrsmith | subset with some special sauce :) | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll be travelling next week. My coding time will be limited. I wonder if some of you code try to progress some of the patches. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | s/code/could/ | 15:22 |
| pc_m_ | carl_baldwin: sure. Just let me know where I can help. I'm on travel this week, but avail next week. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll ping you guys to talk about it. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m_: Thanks | 15:22 |
| mlavalle_ | carl_baldwin: I am open to help where needed | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | sounds good | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else on l3 agent? | 15:23 |
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| pc_m_ | Looks like we'll delay some FEW refactoring... | 15:23 |
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| pc_m_ | for L3. Sridar wants to size the FW insertion work, which is critical and would change the L3 refactoring needed for FW. | 15:23 |
| pc_m_ | Will know more next week. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m_: okay. Let me know. | 15:24 |
| pc_m_ | roger | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: johnbelamaric: salv-orlando: hi | 15:25 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | hello | 15:25 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: also pavel_bondar is here he is working with me on this | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything to report? | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: welcome | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: we have a start, pavel submitted a patch that does the driver load | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Do you have a link handy? | 15:26 |
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| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147479/ | 15:27 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:27 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: question i have is on the extent of refactor we want to do on DB plugin | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Is this ready to review or WIP? | 15:27 |
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| pavel_bondar | I am addressing some comments right now, so WIP | 15:28 |
| pavel_bondar | will upload new version for review today | 15:28 |
| pavel_bondar | but IPAMDriver logic is complete in general | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I recall discussion on refactoring about not passing all these dicts around, is there any change in the plugin API itself? | 15:29 |
| pavel_bondar | s/logic/loader/ | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: thanks, I’ve added myself as a reviewer. | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: it would certainly be nice to separate the mgmt layer (db) from the real plugin layer. but I am thinking that is out-of-scope | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | ? | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I think you’re probably right about the scope but I don’t know all of the details about the plugin API. salv-orlando may be able to add something. | 15:30 |
| pavel_bondar | <carl_baldwin> nice, thanks | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | I'm aiming to get some WIP code for subnet allocation pushed before the end of the week, still catching up from my extended holiday. Not a whole lot to report | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Do you have anything to discuss? | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Thanks, ping me when you get something up. Ping salv-orlando also. | 15:32 |
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| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: just to be clear, we should expect to see a subnet pool ID specified in the context in the subnet_create call to the plugin, correct? If it's not there, we would use the implicit pool for the tenant to decide the pool from which to allocate the subnet | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | johnbelamaric: correct | 15:34 |
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| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: so the logic would be the ipam driver is called using the pool and inputs as described in the spec by DB plugin before handing off the actual subnet to the backend | 15:35 |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: i.e., db plugin still has the logic to call out to IPAM to perform actual subnet determination | 15:35 |
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| tidwellr | johnbelamaric: that's my understanding | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: thanks | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: i don't have anything else - pavel_bondar or I will try to catch salv-orlando on IRC when we can | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Rajeev: anything to discuss? | 15:37 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: on DVR HA, we have couple of patches out | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve been eyeing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141114 | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I saw that it was updated this morning. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I will review | 15:38 |
| mrsmith | good progress - I tied my patch to your refactor patch so I am waiting for rebases :) | 15:38 |
| mrsmith | I got the basic functionality working with rajeev's server side and your refactor patch | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve also had an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138632 | 15:39 |
| Rajeev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/5 | 15:39 |
| mrsmith | still need the l2pop patch to progress... maybe I will check that later today | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: ^^ about l2pop patch. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like it was updated. | 15:40 |
| mrsmith | yes! | 15:40 |
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| Rajeev | for DVR HA, the l2pop + - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/5 + - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139686/ are the major patches so far | 15:41 |
| Rajeev | mrsmith: did I miss anything ? | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: Thanks. | 15:42 |
| mrsmith | Rajeev: looks good | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:44 |
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| Rajeev | all, especially the first 2 are getting ready for initial review, I believe | 15:44 |
| Rajeev | mrsmith: adolfo: are also looking at possible test submissions | 15:45 |
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| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: listed aldolfo's test patch above I believe | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Yes, I have been looking at it. Not finished yet. | 15:46 |
| Rajeev | mrsmith: that covers HA -- right? | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it has made some progress. | 15:46 |
| mrsmith | yup | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:49 |
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| mrsmith | not from me | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
| mrsmith | just working on open bugs as well | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks all. Keep up the good work. | 15:52 |
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| dolfo | Carl . I am waiting for the current test patch to be merge. Anything else will make it too big I think | 15:53 |
| mrsmith | "a" dolfo? is that you? | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | dolfo: What I said above was ambiguous. I meant that I wasn’t finished with my review. I agree. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | dolfo: Sorry for the confusion. | 15:54 |
| dolfo | We will also need it for any functional test for dvr ha | 15:54 |
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| mrsmith | ya - getting the basic dvr functional test in is key | 15:55 |
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| dolfo | Cool tx | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 15:57:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-15-15.03.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-15-15.03.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-15-15.03.log.html | 15:57 |
| pc_m_ | bye | 15:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ API WG | 15:59 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | yep | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 15 16:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | i've been out sick the entire week with the flu. this is my first morning back so i haven't been able to keep up with the email or reviews or anything :( | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | =( | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | That stinks | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | Glad you're feeling better though | 16:02 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:02 |
| etoews | better-ish | 16:02 |
| etoews | :) | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | technicalities =P | 16:02 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Heh, not much there | 16:03 |
| etoews | the standard. | 16:03 |
| etoews | any new topics anyone wants to talk about to start? | 16:03 |
| kaufer | Yes, I'd like to quickly discuss this review for "Add Sorting Guidelines": https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: that's the one I wanted to discuss too :) | 16:04 |
| kaufer | :) | 16:04 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 was searching for it | 16:04 | |
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| elmiko | i don't have a strong opinion on this one, i've been more following | 16:05 |
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| kaufer | I'm fine with changing the spec to reflect the alternative design that has been proposed (ie, sort=key1:desc,key2:asc,key:asc), but I'm worried that it will impact too many projects that have been using sort_key and sort_dir for some time | 16:05 |
| etoews | kaufer: thanks for the analysis of the current design. i'm reading up on it now. | 16:05 |
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| kaufer | sure, for others, current design is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Sorting | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | So the question I have is how much of this do we want to be friendly to new consumers and how much do we think legacy is important | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | this also kinda dovetails into the upgrade path ideas... | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | The concern about impacting existing projects is being addressed on the mailing list as well (on a higher level) | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | (See also what elmiko just ref'd) | 16:08 |
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| dtroyer | honestly I'm not nearly as concerned about legacy as having a solid way forward. some existing projects will never change, some will | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | ==dtroyer | 16:09 |
| elmiko | would this be a good initial case to look at about how we could create a version upgrade guideline? | 16:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: that's likely | 16:09 |
| dtroyer | elmiko: I think that is totally separate, and an edge case for this group…it is policy and process as much as design | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | This is also a case where we could support both versions simultaneously but make them exclusive | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | (i.e. you can pick one style to use but both are available for a version) | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | (But that's orthogonal to the discussion :)) | 16:10 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: that makes sense, i was just thinking in terms of us recommending something that will break legacy | 16:10 |
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| dtroyer | sure…but most of what we do here that isn't toally new will be that ;) | 16:11 |
| elmiko | honestly, i'm for paving a way forward that is sensible. which may mean upsetting legacy code. | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think most of us are in that camp | 16:11 |
| dtroyer | yup | 16:11 |
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| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: thoughts? | 16:13 |
| kaufer | Ok, so then it sounds goal if this spec is to document the ideal, I will update it to reflect the new comma-separated sort parameter | 16:13 |
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| elmiko | kaufer: +1 | 16:14 |
| kaufer | And then projects that are implementing this in kilo (ie, nova) will switch to that during this release without a need to deprecate | 16:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: sounds good to me | 16:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | Did I understand the CLI spec is choosing similar syntax? | 16:14 |
| dtroyer | basically, yes | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think this will mirror it well then | 16:15 |
| kaufer | Yes, that got a lot of support in the cross project meeting, spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145544 | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Will be nice to have the API and the CLI reflect each other sort of | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks for the link kaufer | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145544 | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | (for reference later ;) | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Any other new topics? | 16:16 |
| kaufer | thanks, I'm still learning the meeting shortcuts | 16:16 |
| etoews | 1 sec... | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: I think #help will help you | 16:16 |
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| etoews | kaufer: once you update your proposal. it would be best to get a clear +1 from each of the api wg cross-project liasions for nova, neutron, cinder, and glance. | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | That's a good idea kaufer | 16:17 |
| kaufer | and Ironic | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | s/kaufer/etoews/ | 16:17 |
| etoews | oops. ya. ironic too. | 16:18 |
| kaufer | is there a list of those contacts? | 16:18 |
| etoews | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#API_Working_Group | 16:18 |
| kaufer | great, i'll add them as reviewers | 16:18 |
| etoews | thx! | 16:18 |
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| kaufer | thanks for the feedback! | 16:18 |
| etoews | since we'll be paving a way towards something more ideal. we'll need considerably more buy in from the projects. | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: thanks for bringing this up! | 16:20 |
| etoews | #action kaufer to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ and add relevent cross-project liaisons as reviewers | 16:20 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:20 |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-08-00.00.html | 16:20 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: and I covered all of our action items I think | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | API Definitions discussion was started here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054153.html | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054153.html | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | And the upgrade guidance discussion was started here: | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054511.html | 16:21 |
| elmiko | i've got a basic barbican swagger doc created | 16:22 |
| elmiko | it was a winding path though | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | They both seem to have some positive feedback from the people who have taken the time to read them and respond | 16:22 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/elmiko/os-swagger-docs | 16:22 |
| etoews | nice! | 16:22 |
| elmiko | that's where i'm collecting all my efforts | 16:22 |
| * sigmavirus24 looks at elmiko's repo | 16:22 | |
| elmiko | the real issue with pecan based apps is that the object-dispatch is difficult to analyse | 16:22 |
| elmiko | so... | 16:22 |
| elmiko | i created a pecan-swagger project with some basic decorators to help out | 16:23 |
| elmiko | this meant i needed to make a barbican branch with the proper markup, but it worked | 16:23 |
| elmiko | it produces the same minimally compliant swagger doc, but it's a start | 16:23 |
| elmiko | if i go further with this i'll start looking into pulling more information from the code base(e.g. validation schemas) | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | awesome! | 16:24 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/elmiko/pecan-swagger | 16:24 |
| elmiko | it's quite basic at the moment, but it's a start =) | 16:24 |
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| elmiko | i really need to generate some docs for that though | 16:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | what are the range of wsgi frameworks that are in use across openstack? | 16:26 |
| elmiko | is it just pecan and flask? | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | some use wsgi directly I think | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | I feel like there's another one or two too | 16:26 |
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| elmiko | webob? | 16:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | yes | 16:27 |
| elmiko | oh, another point about the whole api specs issue. i see much talk about moving towards WSME, is this something we would want to investigate? | 16:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I haven't looked too closely at WSME before | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Might be worth investigating | 16:29 |
| elmiko | it looks cool, but really seems useful for doing things like defining the api in wsme then deriving other formats from that definition. | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i really need to read more, but it looks interesting | 16:29 |
| etoews | i'm not familiar either | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | looks like a stackforge project | 16:30 |
| elmiko | and i think there are a few projects using it, i wanna say glance and nova? | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | The example also shows it has little intention of supporting Py3 | 16:30 |
| elmiko | well that's not good | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah that's far from ideal | 16:30 |
| elmiko | i just know from poking many people about swagger and wadl that wsme seems to come up often in those conversations | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | that's about it for my update =) | 16:33 |
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| etoews | thank you! | 16:33 |
| etoews | #topic APIImpact | 16:33 |
| * sigmavirus24 needs to get better at going through those reviews tagged with this | 16:33 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:33 |
| etoews | anything here anyone wants to point out? | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130715/ | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | That looks interesting (but I haven't read it closely yet) | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | yea, that does look interesting | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | Seems to be mostly cribbing from Keystone | 16:35 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: looks like something that can be made into a guideline doc | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: my thoughts as well | 16:36 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: +1 | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | but I haven't read it either | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | Do I sense an #action item for miguelgrinberg ? | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | ha! punishment for being late | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | I can take it, sure | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | Well you practically volunteered =P | 16:36 |
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| etoews | "From the point of view of whole OpenStack projects, the ways are not consistent and application programers should write an application for handling these extensions by different ways. Now there is JSON-Home as one of standard ways and Keystone has already implemented this feature on Keystone REST API." | 16:36 |
| etoews | sounds ripe for a guideline :) | 16:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yep! | 16:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | +1 | 16:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action miguelgrinberg to turn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130715/ into a guideline | 16:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorrynotsorry | 16:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | I'll find a way to pay you back | 16:37 |
| etoews | another one caught my eye https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131094/ | 16:37 |
| etoews | but only because it used the word "status" | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: should be simple enough | 16:38 |
| etoews | which reminded me of jaypipes email about it on openstack-dev. | 16:38 |
| kaufer | I have another one, deals with getting the total count of resources during pagination queries: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134279/ | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | The full specification is here: | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/approved/get-lock-status-of-instance.html | 16:39 |
| kaufer | It is on my list to make this into a guideline, but was hoping for more feedback on the nova spec (which I probably won't get since the nova spec deadline has passed) | 16:40 |
| miguelgrinberg | looks pretty minor, right? they just added a field to the representation | 16:40 |
| etoews | #action etoews to do some analysis on the status vs state current design | 16:44 |
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| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: that would be a good guideline since it was discussed on the ML | 16:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | I have one more that I'd like to point out, give me a second to find it | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138051/ | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | Essentially bolting on ElasticSearch to glance for Horizon search improvements | 16:45 |
| elmiko | another interesting one | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: POST request for a search? | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | do you know what not GET? | 16:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | s/what/why/ | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't know why. I must have missed that before the new year | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | Most people don't realize you can send a request body with a GET I suppose | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | (To be fair, it also isn't exactly common practice to do so) | 16:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think all the stuff they put in the body can go as query string | 16:48 |
| edleafe | Many tools only support request bodies with POST/PUT | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | edleafe: you mean HTTP clients? | 16:48 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus24: yeah | 16:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | I would not use a body with GET, that's bound to give you problems, not all clients support that | 16:48 |
| edleafe | I remember fighting a few of those over the years | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Also RFC should really be redefined as Request for Compliance because no one cares if you comply or not) | 16:48 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus24: :) | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: the only clients I care about do ;) | 16:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: no idea which one you are talking about ;-) | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | ones | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | plural sir | 16:49 |
| * sigmavirus24 has his hat in too many http clients | 16:49 | |
| etoews | time is running down... | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yes | 16:49 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:49 |
| etoews | should i switch the order of the APIImpact and guidelines topics in the agenda? we haven't been giving enough time to our own reviews! | 16:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | Maybe | 16:50 |
| etoews | or maybe we just need to move to those topics more quickly... | 16:50 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: might be a good idea | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: might be good to have people pick out APIImpact reviews before the meeting | 16:51 |
| etoews | ya | 16:52 |
| elmiko | we might also consider scheduling a spec review day or something? | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/133660 | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ Should make it's way through | 16:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It was rather unanimous consensus and it's waiting on a +W | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137490/ | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ Too | 16:53 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: i think you're medata guideline needs more nova eyes as they would be affected the most | 16:54 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: +1 to a review day | 16:54 |
| miguelgrinberg | it would affect more the others, nova is the closest one | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: that was elmiko ;) | 16:54 |
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| etoews | oops. +1 elmiko :) | 16:55 |
| elmiko | it's all good =) | 16:55 |
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| miguelgrinberg | did you guys see the sorting cmd line guideline? they default to descending order, for an unknown reason | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: we discussed it | 16:57 |
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| elmiko | almost out of time | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | ->| |<- close ;) | 16:58 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | I have few opinions on defaults | 16:58 |
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| etoews | alright. i guess we need to call it there. | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 17:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks etoews | 17:00 |
| etoews | thanks all! | 17:00 |
| elmiko | etoews: thanks! | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | If y'all are in #openstack-dev I thought I'd show you something orthogonal to OpenStack | 17:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | That all of you may be interested in | 17:00 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:01 |
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| etoews | i've got another meeting right now :( | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: banix mageshgv: hi | 17:58 |
| banix | hi | 17:58 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for jumping on the issue! | 17:59 |
| mageshgv | strange we missed it earlier | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yeah | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 15 18:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Jan_15th.2C_2014 | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: good to see you here | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054249.html | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | release formally announced! ^^^ | 18:01 |
| nbouthors | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:01 |
| KrishnaK_ | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK_: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1411237 | 18:03 |
| KrishnaK_ | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for jumping on this right away | 18:03 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: no problem | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good to know that it was not affecting the datapath, but just a display issue | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have tested this several times, and it never manifested until yesterday | 18:04 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, in create and update we were directly using the values passed in api | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:04 |
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| mageshgv | hence the missed db update did not cause functional issue | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: we would need to backport the fix once we merge on the master | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:04 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:05 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: correct | 18:05 |
| s3wong | sorry, a little late | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: np, just getting started | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: we need to backport the doc patch that you fixed too | 18:06 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I will cherrypick the patch to the stable juno branch | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes, you need to use the -x option | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Proposing_Fixes | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Youcef: hi, good to see you | 18:07 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: ok. will do that | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1404412 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is ivar here? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | his patch is passing the gate: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144816/ | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we need recheck a few times to see if its consistent | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: are there any plans to follow up on: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1383947 | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | I’ll track progress on the neutron subnet pool BP | 18:11 |
| rkukura | Plan is to use that as soon as its available | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can we link the BP? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | I’ll look | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone seen anything critical? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the release besides this? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on | 18:14 |
| rkukura | BP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135771/ | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh good, seems like its merged | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: do we need a follow up patch in gbp? | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: The BP merged - are you saying the code merged too? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oops, my bad | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats the spec you were pointing to | 18:15 |
| rkukura | right | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK_: thanks for trying out the CentOS-based install | 18:17 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK_: How has that gone? | 18:17 |
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| KrishnaK_ | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: In the middle of it ... Will update tommorrow | 18:18 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK_: thanks! | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK_: thanks | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any updates over last week on the RDO? | 18:19 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK_: Are you using the koji-built or copr-built el7 RPMs? | 18:19 |
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| rkukura | Next step on RDO is getting our packages included in the RDO repos. | 18:19 |
| rkukura | I think that requires they setup some internal CI for the packages. | 18:19 |
| rkukura | Do we have any tempest tests they could use as a basis for that? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: by they you mean RDO? | 18:20 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:20 |
| rkukura | They are working to open this up so it can be done externally, but are not quite there yet | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not really, we had requested a separate repo to house our tempest tests | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: however we were told to integrate the tests with our project | 18:21 |
| KrishnaK_ | rkukura: I have CentOs installed ... do you recommend copr or koji ? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is that a requirement to moving forward? | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we have some integration test scripts | 18:22 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK_: I think the copr-built RPMs (with centos in the names) are the ones we’ll go with going forward | 18:22 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’ll find out what is really needed for their CI. | 18:22 |
| KrishnaK_ | rkukura: thx. will install cope-built RPMs | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:23 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK_: OK, please email or find me on IRC if you hit any issues or questions | 18:23 |
| KrishnaK_ | rkukura: Thanks a lot. will ping you. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the ubuntu packages are also available: #link https://launchpad.net/~group-based-policy-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any other packaging updates at your end? | 18:24 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are their Ubuntu instructions somewhere similar to https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_GBP? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we dont have those yet :-) | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for now the instructions are: apt-get install <package-name> | 18:26 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Only other thing is that we will also need to figure out how packages for RHEL OSP will be produced and hosted | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, what would need to do to start that process? can we start that in parallel while the work on RDO is progressing? | 18:27 |
| rkukura | If there are other vendors that plan to offer any kind of supported GBP solutions on top of RHEL OSP, we may want to work to see how the common parts will be provided and supported. | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, lets take this offline with hemanthravi and songole | 18:29 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we will need to sync up with ronak as well | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what about ODL in that context? | 18:30 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: That’s a good question, but I guess that would need to be supported by Red Hat themselves, unless another vendor was involved. | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hmmm, so we dont need to do anything for adding the ODL support? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: good timing to join! ;-) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just discussng packaging the ODL integration for RHEL OSP | 18:32 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: Hi | 18:32 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: My guess is that Red Hat would need a compelling business case for them to offer supported neutron+gbp+odl all on their own | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can we not provide support? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean this team, for ODL? | 18:33 |
| rkukura | I don’t think this team can enter any kind of official partneship agreement that would let Red Hat sell support subscriptions | 18:34 |
| rkukura | Maybe Red Hat could ship the bits, but not provide support | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay got it | 18:34 |
| rkukura | This would be as a preview feature or something like that | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo Blueprints | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most of the team is still swamped in post-release activities, packaging, support, etc | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we are behind on planning for the next release | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: hi | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: any updates with the exploration at your end? | 18:36 |
| LouisF | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the context of leveraging ODL integration for the L4-7 classification? | 18:37 |
| nbouthors | SumitNaiksatam: could not start this week. | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: ah ok, np | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: anything that you wanted to discuss here with regards to your blueprints? | 18:38 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: please review and comment | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | needles to say, we owe you a review (and apologies for the delay)! | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: indeed! ;-) | 18:39 |
| s3wong | LouisF, SumitNaiksatam: can you provide a link to the bp? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sure, the specs have been in review for a long time | 18:39 |
| s3wong | link to the gerrit review then :-) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-specs+branch:master,n,z | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue was that i havent created a kilo branch for specs | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean i posted a patch to do that, but it kept failing the gate | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i put that aside and havent gotten back to it yet | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but that should not stop from the reviews | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i meant “kilo directory” not “kilo branch" | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once the kilo directory change is merged, LouisF, you can just move the files around in the same review | 18:41 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile the reviews can proceed | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing stopping that | 18:42 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Will we update our tempate and tempate-validation to match what neutron is doing in kilo? | 18:42 |
| rkukura | template | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, that is part of the problem | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the neutron templates were updated, we did not | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and hence that breaks the gate | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or at least thats how i understand it | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have been doing some homework on identifying the next set of priorities | 18:45 |
| LouisF | kudos to all on recent work | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for kilo release | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: thanks | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently i just have a long laundry list | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hope to structure it a little better by next week | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | some of us could meet in person to discuss this as well | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or we have #openstack-gbp | 18:46 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: how many new features are on the table now? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: dont ask! :-) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | like i said its a long laundry list | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have to obviously prioritize | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and one of the major input to that is the user feedback | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which is one of the reasons i am not rushing to decide on this | 18:47 |
| rkukura | we also need to get feedback from users now that we have a release, and be prepared to act on it | 18:47 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: while helping out yapeng and yiyang on ODL policy driver, we found major gap between ODL GBP and OpenStack GBP | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: exacntly, just saying that | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we need to let people use the latest release | 18:48 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so I am planning on looking to see if we can perhaps fill some of those gaps by Lithium timeframe | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: at least for a few days, and then gather feedback | 18:48 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: though I am not saying the OpenStack GBP side should stall :-) | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, i believe keith is also working on the ODL on this | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you have any users looking at the latest GBP release, and have feedback, please send it to me or the whole team | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we would really love to hear | 18:50 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: what is this gap between ODL GBP and OS GBP? | 18:50 |
| s3wong | LouisF: external policy, service policy, hierarchical contracts... | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: those are additional features | 18:51 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: but it is a gap :-) | 18:51 |
| LouisF | they exist in OS GBP but not ODL GBP | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, but i think you alarmed LouisF with the way you put it | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 18:51 |
| s3wong | LouisF: hence a gap :-) | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the gaps are not in basic workflows | 18:52 |
| s3wong | LouisF: but I still encourage you or others to try out ODL GBP with OpenStack GBP :-) | 18:52 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: don't let me deter you :-) | 18:52 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: so the driver needs to deal with the gaps | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | although there might be some rough edges | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yes | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just to be very clear - | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the OpenStack GBP model is bigger super set | 18:52 |
| s3wong | LouisF: it does, it throws a bunch of NOT IMPLEMENTED exceptions :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we dont expect all policy drivers to comply with all parts of the model | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: that is exactly as designed | 18:53 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: that is expected | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: exactly | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we expect the policy drivers to implement the PTGs, PTs, PRS, PR, PC, PA | 18:54 |
| rkukura | I don’t disagree, but from a user perspective, the semantics/features should be as similar as possible independent of the back-end | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the reference implentation is | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: beyong that its the vendor’s capacity to support a particular model | 18:55 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What I mean is that the various implementations should ideally be substitutable without the user noticing | 18:55 |
| s3wong | rkukura: ideally, yes | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: while that would definitely be a desirable goal | 18:55 |
| rkukura | There will be cases where things need to differ, but that should be a last resort | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have noticed that appraoch stymies innovation | 18:56 |
| LouisF | odl GBP has a whole lot of stuff to support contract and subject selection: clauses, relators, etc | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yes, you could identify gaps either way :-) | 18:56 |
| yapeng | LouisF, we have some prelimary implementation juno mapping driver | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if required we can tag parts of the model as “core” | 18:57 |
| rkukura | Ideeally the differences would be in extensions, so its explicit to the user which extensions they are using. Not all vendor backends might support an extension, but those that do should be equivalent | 18:57 |
| LouisF | yapeng: yes iv'e looked at that | 18:57 |
| yapeng | i talk with s3wong before, we would like to fill the gap in kilo on OS side. also work on ODL side for Lithium release | 18:57 |
| rkukura | I need to drop off a couple minutes early - see you all later! | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in summary, gaps exist everywhere :-) | 18:58 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: in theory, when we got started on the ODL GBP project, the goal is to have the ODL GBP to be a superset --- though obviously it didn't happen that way :-) | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i cant comment becaue i was not part of that discussion, however i did not get that memo ;-) | 18:59 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: you mentioned a face-to-face - any plans for that? | 18:59 |
| s3wong | yapeng: yes, if we are able to fill a portion of the gap in ODL side, then we will correspondingly update the GBP OBL policy driver on OpenStack | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yes will update if that comes about | 18:59 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have gaps in the openstack GBP model itself | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to satisfy some important use cases | 18:59 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: obviously OpenStack GBP progressed so much better than we all expected :-) | 19:00 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: such as? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we need address in Kilo :-) | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: policy tags, enhancments to the classification | 19:00 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets wrap up for today | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are over time | 19:01 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: some of that would be covered by my BPs | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for all the feedback folks, keep that coming! | 19:01 |
| banix | bye | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yes absolutely | 19:01 |
| s3wong | bye | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 19:02 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:02 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 19:02 |
| LouisF | by | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| yapeng | bye | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 19:02:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-15-18.00.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-15-18.00.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-15-18.00.log.html | 19:02 |
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