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| mrunge | #startmeeting Horizon | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 12:01:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrunge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:01 |
| mrunge | good morning everyone | 12:01 |
| tsufiev | hello | 12:01 |
| akrivoka | hiya \o | 12:01 |
| pkarikh | Hello! | 12:01 |
| rdopiera | hi | 12:02 |
| tmazur | hello o/ | 12:02 |
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| mrunge | I don't have anything special for this meeting | 12:03 |
| mrunge | and it looks like, nobody else had | 12:03 |
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| mrunge | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 12:03 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: if i may? | 12:03 |
| mrunge | go ahead | 12:04 |
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| nikunj2512 | i want to talk to our i18n | 12:04 |
| nikunj2512 | framework and how we currently translate one language to another | 12:05 |
| nikunj2512 | as horizon is using angularjs why don't we use angularjs to translate? | 12:05 |
| mrunge | ... as opposed to? | 12:06 |
| nikunj2512 | i came across this good angularjs plugin for translation -> http://angular-translate.github.io/ and i think it will to implement this rather to have static translations | 12:06 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, do you have a proposal, how to translate current strings? | 12:06 |
| nikunj2512 | i am still in process of putting togeather a proprosal | 12:07 |
| nikunj2512 | currently i was playing with the above mentioned library to see if it can be useful to horizon | 12:07 |
| jpich | The mailing list might be more appropriate for this conversation, so people have time to familiarise themselves with the background when the proposal is ready | 12:07 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Ok | 12:08 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, once you're done, submit a blueprint | 12:08 |
| jpich | The current angular patches may also have something already in place to allow translations | 12:08 |
| jpich | Thanks | 12:08 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: Ok but if i may ask this -> will changing the method on how we translate the strings will be a good idea or not? | 12:08 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: ok.. if possible can you point me to those patches? | 12:09 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, we're changing horizon from django based to be angular based, because we can | 12:09 |
| mrunge | why shouldn't we do that? | 12:09 |
| nikunj2512 | yes... We should do it | 12:10 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: I don't have them at hand, sorry - once you post on the list I'm sure the authors will be happy to share what i18n processes they were looking into | 12:10 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Ok | 12:10 |
| nikunj2512 | also i want to talk about the feature of "message of the day"? | 12:10 |
| nikunj2512 | what community thinks about this feature? | 12:10 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, do you have a blueprint? | 12:10 |
| nikunj2512 | someone has already filed a bug for this | 12:11 |
| nikunj2512 | no | 12:11 |
| nikunj2512 | but we have some technical issues with this | 12:11 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, my 2ct? | 12:11 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: ?? | 12:11 |
| mrunge | you'd need a database to provide a current "message of the day". Horizon doesn't require a database | 12:11 |
| nikunj2512 | but we have some technical issues with this like where we will store the sting for the message? | 12:12 |
| nikunj2512 | yes | 12:12 |
| mrunge | see? | 12:12 |
| nikunj2512 | excatly that is the same thing i was wondering | 12:12 |
| nikunj2512 | yes | 12:12 |
| rdopiera | in settings :P | 12:12 |
| mrunge | oh yes, awesome | 12:12 |
| wchrisj | lol | 12:12 |
| nikunj2512 | yes | 12:12 |
| nikunj2512 | but don't then admin have to edit the settings file everytime he/she has to change the message? | 12:13 |
| nikunj2512 | will it be good approach? | 12:13 |
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| mrunge | nikunj2512, not to mention: what admin? | 12:13 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, an admin in horizon is not necessarly in the position to change that file | 12:14 |
| nikunj2512 | The administator which has access to the cloud | 12:14 |
| nikunj2512 | Ok.. Then this creates one more issue | 12:14 |
| mrunge | sure | 12:14 |
| nikunj2512 | Ok.. admin is the one who have access to the code | 12:14 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, depending on your POV | 12:14 |
| nikunj2512 | because admins might want to tell something to other users but if they don't have access to code, they can't change the message | 12:15 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, and what about showing different messages to different people? | 12:16 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: yes but for this functionality to work seamless they should be able to change the message from the horizon itself | 12:16 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: good suggestion | 12:16 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, about translations, https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/272314fdee8622a51c201eb4041d6ca278ffd7a2 was merged recently | 12:17 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: but on what bases will you show the different message to different people? | 12:17 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, I could imagine, that's totally dependent on the installation | 12:17 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: great.. thanks | 12:17 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, show message to everyone using more than 5 machines | 12:18 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: what is dependent on installation> | 12:18 |
| mrunge | show to group xy | 12:18 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: Ok | 12:18 |
| mrunge | show to folks located in huston | 12:18 |
| mrunge | show to users of image foo | 12:18 |
| nikunj2512 | but for that you have to define certain caterias | 12:18 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, that is completely free | 12:18 |
| nikunj2512 | and it might be long list and will that much be required | 12:19 |
| nikunj2512 | Ok | 12:19 |
| mrunge | and probably has the same bandwidth as billing | 12:19 |
| nikunj2512 | Ok.. like this we can have many more use-cases | 12:19 |
| mrunge | and until we have a data store, it's quite useless to speak about that | 12:20 |
| nikunj2512 | yes | 12:20 |
| mrunge | anything else? | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | nikunj2512, I've seen a word 'messaging' at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar Is it totally stupid to use it for MOTD? | 12:20 |
| mrunge | is zaquar intended to be used for openstack internal projects? | 12:21 |
| mrunge | or is that oslo.messaging? | 12:21 |
| flaper87 | mrunge: depends on what you need | 12:21 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, but coupling to a message service is something we really want | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, frankly speaking, I do not know whether Zaqar is level-higher than oslo.messaging | 12:21 |
| flaper87 | oslo.messaging -> message broker communications / high loads / whatever | 12:21 |
| flaper87 | zaqar -> messaging API (higher level API but still messaging) | 12:22 |
| flaper87 | tsufiev: it's at a higher level | 12:22 |
| nikunj2512 | flaper87: ok.. Will zaqar will give us what we want here? | 12:22 |
| flaper87 | nikunj2512: no idea what you want, sorry. I should read the backlog. | 12:22 |
| * flaper87 has a highlight on Zaqar | 12:22 | |
| flaper87 | :) | 12:22 |
| mrunge | :D | 12:23 |
| nikunj2512 | flaper87: :) | 12:23 |
| nikunj2512 | but it is not a default openstack service.. correct? | 12:23 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, no. in your case: no. | 12:23 |
| flaper87 | nikunj2512: there won't be such a thing soon :) | 12:23 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: ok. | 12:23 |
| nikunj2512 | :) | 12:23 |
| flaper87 | it's not part of what's considered a cloud-core product | 12:23 |
| flaper87 | not sure how the TC calls it | 12:23 |
| nikunj2512 | ohh | 12:23 |
| flaper87 | but such distinction between integrated/non-integrated is going away | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | nikunj2512, I believe that messaging service could be used not only for the MOTD, but also, for real-time broadcasting, e.g. message to all users that the could will be shut-down for 10 mins for maintenance | 12:24 |
| mrunge | flaper87, and if we, as horizon, would make zaqar a dependency? | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | mrunge: that would be.... amazing :) | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | s/could/cloud/ | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | mrunge: I believe it would become an important piece | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | yes | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | (at least required) | 12:24 |
| nikunj2512 | tsufiev: yes.. that will be great | 12:24 |
| mrunge | flaper87, yes, I think so. | 12:25 |
| mrunge | we have a huge stack of operations running asynchronously | 12:25 |
| nikunj2512 | but it will be a great addition for but purpose?? if we can't use zaqar for message broadcasting? | 12:25 |
| mrunge | and we don't see the results | 12:25 |
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| nikunj2512 | mrunge: can we move to next item? | 12:28 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, of course | 12:28 |
| mrunge | I don't have anything :D | 12:28 |
| nikunj2512 | i have one more thing | 12:28 |
| nikunj2512 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/detecting-browser | 12:28 |
| nikunj2512 | The discussion on this blueprint is going on and on and last year also we discussed | 12:29 |
| nikunj2512 | what others think about this feature? | 12:29 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, are you trying to get this into kilo? | 12:30 |
| tsufiev | nikunj2512, I hope that the browsers that don't support modern standards will eventually go away, given enough time :) | 12:30 |
| nikunj2512 | Yes.. i hope so.. with the community blessing :) | 12:30 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, +1 | 12:30 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, and others https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 12:31 |
| nikunj2512 | yes but there are many people who still use windows XP and have old browsers | 12:31 |
| mrunge | March 19th is kilo-3 deadline | 12:31 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, we agreed, not to support them | 12:31 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: i think we have enough time to implement and push this feature by then | 12:31 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, you'll need to have it reviewed as well | 12:32 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, and March19th is also string freeze | 12:32 |
| mrunge | feature freeze is 2 weeks earlier | 12:33 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: yes but when a user uses horizon on legacy browsers and when they don't see any kind of message says we don't support your browser, they think code is broken | 12:33 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: ohhh... my bad | 12:33 |
| nikunj2512 | mrunge: it is not a big feature implementation wise but will greatly increase the horizon experience for users | 12:34 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, when someone agreed to move to angular, we dropped older browser support | 12:34 |
| jpich | I think this has been discussed a lot already... some approaches are acceptable, and others aren't. You won't get 100% consensus/agreement from everyone. At this point it's probably best to get working on a patch | 12:34 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Ok... | 12:35 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: i have something already in works and i will upload it | 12:35 |
| mrunge | ok thank you | 12:36 |
| mrunge | anything else? | 12:36 |
| nikunj2512 | Sorry one more -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/set-default-params-for-launch | 12:36 |
| nikunj2512 | same old question will it be good feature to have it? | 12:36 |
| mrunge | nikunj2512, it's my impression, it's superseeded by the launch-instance-workflow rework | 12:37 |
| mrunge | which is currently blocking a few fixes | 12:38 |
| nikunj2512 | ok... which means to wait until that goes in? | 12:38 |
| mrunge | as it doesn't make sense to work on a bug fix, when the whole code is being thrown away | 12:38 |
| nikunj2512 | correct | 12:39 |
| nikunj2512 | So, i will wait :") | 12:39 |
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| mrunge | waiting for a few mins for others to join the conversation here | 12:40 |
| pkarikh | just fyi we have some problems with pypi package of django_openstack_auth. 1.1.8 hasn't been pushed into pypi. | 12:41 |
| pkarikh | I've talked with infra-team on the last week, they are working on it | 12:41 |
| mrunge | pkarikh, thanks | 12:41 |
| pkarikh | But there ws no feedback for a long time. | 12:41 |
| jpich | Yep, might be good to ask where it's at. Thanks pkarikh! | 12:42 |
| pkarikh | they said that there is some bug and it is not trivial, or something like this. | 12:42 |
| mrunge | pkarikh, I'd vote to release 1.1.9 | 12:42 |
| mrunge | to include e.g. https://github.com/openstack/django_openstack_auth/commit/336d7a531d8fb422e3b86a46b865339b3a321902 | 12:42 |
| mrunge | which fixes a regression | 12:42 |
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| mrunge | or this revoke token thing should be also included | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, +1, this regression was noticed quite fast :) | 12:43 |
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| jpich | mrunge: It's the entire "uploading django_openstack_auth to pypi" system which is broken, so we can tag that too, but that won't help for now | 12:43 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, sure | 12:43 |
| mrunge | jpich, thanks for sharing | 12:44 |
| pkarikh | jpich mrunge no problem. :) | 12:44 |
| mrunge | folks, is there something else? | 12:44 |
| mrunge | I'd need to run out more sooner than later | 12:45 |
| mrunge | thanks for joining us, and sorry for this quite confused meeting. I simply didn't knew until 12 UTC, that there is no leader. | 12:46 |
| mrunge | #endmeeting | 12:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 12:46:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-21-12.01.html | 12:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-21-12.01.txt | 12:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-21-12.01.log.html | 12:46 |
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| mrunge | talk to you next week | 12:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: vishwanathj: pc_m: hi | 18:30 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:31 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, SridarK, pc_m HI | 18:31 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: pc_m: Hi | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it was great to meet everyone in person last week! | 18:31 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 18:31:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:31 | |
| pc_m | hi | 18:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info metting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-2 is Feb 5th | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone wants to share/announce upfront? | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was a critical bug (UTs breaking) but it was fixed and merged | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | other than that i dont see any new critical/major bugs | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes nothing critical present | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: vishwanathj: anything show up on your radar? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: hi | 18:34 |
| badveli_ | hello sumit and all | 18:34 |
| SridarK | badveli_: hi | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: anything show up on your bug radar? | 18:35 |
| badveli_ | hello sridark | 18:35 |
| vishwanathj | jenkins test fails for our code because we have not uploaded the L3 router plugin code | 18:35 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: on ur review patch ? That is fine now | 18:36 |
| vishwanathj | Ok | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: yeah, will come to the vendor patches in a min | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: any progress on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1386543 after I last posted the message? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see any update on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1335375 | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: just checking in case you happened to spend time on this | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on from bugs | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:39 |
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| badveli_ | i did not see any update | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: anything on your radar on this front? | 18:40 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no updates on this | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Firewall Insertion | 18:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Firewall Insertion (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:40 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: good discussion last week | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: any progress? | 18:41 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: have done a first pass on the subtasks | 18:41 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will need to look at foreign keys from neutron db | 18:41 |
| SridarK | (routers) | 18:41 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think this should not be a problem - u have probab done this sort of thing for GBP | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, i can help you with the FK, etc | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: most of the work is on the Plugin side, from what i see - the agent should not be too bad | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for that | 18:43 |
| pc_m | SridarK: Let me know when you have a handle on how long it'll take to get this in, so I can coordinate refactoring for L3. | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: feel free to post the WIP patch, we can take it from there | 18:43 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am trying to see if i can get a WIP patch out next week | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sooner might be better :-) | 18:43 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: u took the keys out of my keyboard :-) | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will definitely try for that | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: since kilo-2 is feb 5th | 18:44 |
| SridarK | pc_m: yes will do so on L3 agent refactor | 18:44 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i agree | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks for bringing that up, yes, we owe you an estimate on that | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: there are some details on how we handle state with multiple routers now that we will track the routers | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so far any blocking issues? | 18:45 |
| pc_m | With the WIP, we can probably start to look at what is needed for refactoring. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: agree | 18:45 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we can see if we need to do this now or it can be outside the scope of this work | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets set some time aside tomorrow and white board this | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: does that work for you? | 18:45 |
| SridarK | pc_m: yes agreed - on the agent side it seems mostly it is removing code out | 18:45 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: most definitely thanks for the time | 18:46 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will coordinate with u offline | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure, others feel free to join as well | 18:46 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok that were the basic things i wanted to bring up | 18:46 |
| SridarK | *those | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so you havent hit any major blockers yet, right? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: not yet | 18:47 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, Please send the webex meeting if you plan to have one | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: sure | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we will need some changes to the CLI for this, right? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: if so i can add those | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes will need that ok greate | 18:47 |
| SridarK | *great | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions for SridarK on this? | 18:48 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ur help as always is most appreciated | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for working on this | 18:49 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries at all | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS: L3 Agent restructure | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS: L3 Agent restructure (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:49 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: hi | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we already touched on this a little bit today | 18:49 |
| pc_m | howdy | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything you want to add/bring up besides that? | 18:50 |
| pc_m | Yeah, once we have a feel for when insertion will be done, we can look at the refactoring. | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any developments since we disucssed last? | 18:50 |
| pc_m | no. just a holding pattern right now, which is OK, as the router object work is still ongoing. | 18:50 |
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| pc_m | For VPN, once the router object is ready, we'll do more refactoring. For FW, I don't know, may or may not have to do anything. | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yes, hopefully we are able to determing that soon | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks, keep us in the loop on anything else that we need to know on the l3-agent refactoring side (and that might potentially affect fwaas) | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Groups | 18:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Service Groups (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:53 | |
| pc_m | ok | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: any update? | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps not | 18:54 |
| badveli_ | sumit i am thinking of two patches | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: okay | 18:55 |
| badveli_ | one as the service objects and the other one as the reference implementation | 18:55 |
| badveli_ | reference implementation as the firewall | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: okay, sounds reasonable to me | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: just keep in mind that people will probably start reviewing in earnest only after they see both patches | 18:56 |
| SridarK | badveli_: for the first one will there be a backend ? | 18:56 |
| badveli_ | thanks sumit, keeping in mind about the reviews, i will go head and do this kind of split | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i believe the second patch is the backend for the first patch | 18:56 |
| badveli_ | no there will be no backend kind of implementation | 18:57 |
| SridarK | badveli_:, SumitNaiksatam: ok so one review split as 2 patches | 18:57 |
| SridarK | ok got it | 18:57 |
| badveli_ | in the first patch, the second one is a reference implementation | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for badveli_? | 18:58 |
| badveli_ | thanks for your help, i will go in this direction | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: thanks for the update | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh one thing, it seems like these patches will get split across repos | 18:59 |
| badveli_ | thanks sumit, all . Let me try | 18:59 |
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| badveli_ | yes one will be in the neutron | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so thats a bit of an unchartered territory for us | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: have you attempted any simultaneuos changes to the neutron repo and one of the services’ repos? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: say for example when you were doing the VPN agent refactor? | 19:01 |
| pc_m | no. Not sure if we can. | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: hmmm | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: i was going to ask if one can make a patch dependent across the repos | 19:01 |
| pc_m | I created the new stuff in Neutron, committed, and then did change in VPN to use. | 19:01 |
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| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Not sure how to do that. | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | because i think in badveli_’s case his second patch in the fwaas repo should be dependent on the first patch in the neutron repo | 19:02 |
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| pc_m | sounds like it will be pioneering in that area :) | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: in this case the first patch will not merge without people seeing the second patch, kind of a chicken and egg situation! :-) | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridharRamaswamy: hi | 19:03 |
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| badveli_ | Sumit we will have the issue if it is one patch or two patches | 19:03 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: No way to decouple? | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: yes thats true | 19:03 |
| SridarK | badveli_: i think u have to have 2 patches | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the bigger concern is that the second patch is probably not going to pass UTs until the first patch merges | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is if we are not able to put the dependency | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: you are going to be blazing a trail here I guess! ;-) | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: i am not sure how we could completely decouple the second patch | 19:05 |
| badveli_ | but there could be a chance of atleast getting one patch i guess? | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: since the second patch implements the extensions | 19:05 |
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| pc_m | Does first patch define the extensions? | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yes | 19:06 |
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| pc_m | Is there some way for a temporary stub implementation in Neutron? | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in fact even the DB is on the fwaas repo side | 19:06 |
| * pc_m just thinking out loud | 19:07 | |
| SridarK | So the extensions will need to go into neutron | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so only the extension definition will go into neutron | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: that is a possibility | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so that will need to be a separate patch anyway | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: actually, for the first patch to work, no stub is required | 19:08 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we will land up with extension and api and no backend or a stub in neutron | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we can figure out how the second patch can make use of the extension definition while the first patch is still being reviewed, we are good | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: correct | 19:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok this is definitely trailblazing - hope we don't get burned | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: :-) | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: what about your patch, do you anticipate a similar issue? | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: since you need to update the fwaas extension definition as well | 19:10 |
| badveli_ | sumit, sridar, please let me know if we need a discussion, we can take it offline also | 19:10 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes exactly - | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 19:11 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: extensions will need to go into neutron but nothing much more - will need to use routers resource from neutron (but that is not an issue) | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: not as bad as service objects case | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: perhaps | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: also on the topic of extensions - will have some impact from the pecan framework changes | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah whenever it lands | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: it will be good if you can identify all the changes you need to make in the extension, DB, and plugin, that way we can work through this surgically | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we need to do this at the earliest | 19:14 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok will do so | 19:14 |
| badveli_ | Sumit, Sridar thanks for your updates. I will sync up offline and think about this | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: the agent is on the fwaas repo side, so dont foresee as many issues there | 19:14 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes this needs more thought for sure | 19:14 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes the agent is quite straightforward not much in terms of changes | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is the kind of blocker i was asking about, and was hoping that we had not run into! :-( | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, perhaps also a good idea to send to the -dev mailer and check if someone else has thought about this already | 19:15 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes need to get used to thinking in terms of multiple repos - glad we had this conversation today - had not really thought about that | 19:16 |
| pc_m | +1 | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor Plugins/Drivers | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vendor Plugins/Drivers (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 19:16 | |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so although the extensions are defined in neutron - hopefully the migration will stay in fwaas repo | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: your turn, now | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: the DB is on the neutron-fwaas side | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so yes, migration is not in neutron | 19:17 |
| vishwanathj | I have uploaded the code and can be viewed at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147600/ | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: thanks, sorry havent had a chance to look | 19:17 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: same here - need some time to take a look | 19:17 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: perhaps you can also help with reviewing vishwanathj’s patch | 19:18 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we will also upstream a vendor patch once our vendor repo is set up for the dependency (L3) | 19:19 |
| badveli_ | fine sumit | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: do you have any blockers at this point (apart from getting reviewer attention)? | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, i was coming to your patch | 19:19 |
| SridarK | oops sorry :-( | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: np, :-) | 19:19 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, nothing that i can think of, the meeting with you, SridarK, pc_m last week was beneficial, a big thanks to you folks | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: the way i understand your patch is based on the current framework and implementation, right? | 19:20 |
| vishwanathj | yes | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: no worries, we appreciate your sincere effort, and for getting conversation started | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: as i mentioned we need at least one more core reviewer to help review | 19:21 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets try to identify who can help with that | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sorry, go ahead | 19:22 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, any suggestions on who I can approach | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so you wont be submitting the patch to neutron-fwaas? | 19:22 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries - just wanted to add that we will have 2 patches(plugin, agent) pushed up once we have our vendor repo setup for L3 | 19:23 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: it will be to neutron-fwaas | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i believe all the neutron-drivers are cores on fwaas, and then there are a couple of more | 19:23 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we will need to pull out our Router implementation from neutron | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i will add them to your review, you can proceed from there, sound okay? | 19:23 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah, so the external repo dependency for the l3 plugin being pulled out? | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: exactly | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: got it | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we have figured out the mechanics for this and should happen this week | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but you can still post the patch in neutron-fwaas, right? | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | WIP, i mean | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes we can - did not want to risk a -2 | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 19:25 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok - can do that - our code is done - wanted to put a note on the vendor repo dependency (point to a wiki or something) and get our stuff out so folks realize that there is a plan in place for vendor repo | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we may be good by this week or worst case will get it out by early next week with a WIP | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes sure, i think WIP should insulate against the possibility of an overzealous -2 ;-) | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok :-) | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we are hitting the hour mark | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 19:27 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i was thinking we would have had a shorter meeting today! | 19:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else folks? | 19:27 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i have added the reviewers | 19:27 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, Thanks | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, lets call it a wrap for this meeting | 19:28 |
| SridarK | Bye all | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining! | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:28 |
| pc_m | bye | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 19:28:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-21-18.31.html | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-21-18.31.txt | 19:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-21-18.31.log.html | 19:28 |
| badveli_ | thanks all, sumit would you have some time to take offline discussion about the service groups | 19:28 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 22:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 22:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 22:00 |
| alaski | hi, who's around for the meeting? | 22:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 22:01 |
| belmoreira | hi | 22:01 |
| alaski | I know dansmith is out in the wilderness | 22:01 |
| alaski | I'm actually just going to go into open discussion this week | 22:02 |
| alaski | I don't have a prepared agenda | 22:02 |
| alaski | #topic open discussion | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 22:02 | |
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| bauzas | erm | 22:02 |
| alaski | bauzas: do you have an update on test exclusions? | 22:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: I was about providing a change | 22:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: I will keep the template and do a conditional for it | 22:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: I will CC you on the patch | 22:03 |
| alaski | great | 22:04 |
| alaski | I would like to get sdagues take on it as well | 22:04 |
| bauzas | sure, to be clear, I did some templates for another stackforge project, but that's the first time I'm diretly working for that here | 22:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: tbp https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/f98caac794f6d1327cb7565c446c026cc951a873/jenkins/jobs/devstack-gate.yaml#L792-L837 | 22:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: I will provide a if conditional checking the pipeline | 22:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: and if pipeline being 'check', it will add some exceptions | 22:05 |
| edleafe | o/ (late) | 22:06 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay | 22:06 |
| bauzas | alaski: of course, I'll rename existing experimental jobs to exp-tempest-dvsm-cells | 22:06 |
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| alaski | I'm tempted to say that we should just run one job with all of the exceptions | 22:06 |
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| bauzas | alaski: then that's easier | 22:07 |
| bauzas | alaski: but we won't have any way to check if we fix the regressions | 22:07 |
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| alaski | it won't entice anyone to work on fixing any tests, but that hasn't really been happening anyways | 22:07 |
| bauzas | alaski: up to you actually | 22:07 |
| melwitt | well... I have started running tempest with cells locally and taking down the cause for each failure in the same style as alaski had done, with the latest list of failures (I get 74 when running locally). then next I'll compare with the old failure list and also see if I can fix any of them | 22:07 |
| alaski | melwitt: awesome | 22:08 |
| bauzas | melwitt: orly ? | 22:08 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: interesting in getting your local list of failures | 22:08 |
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| melwitt | I'm updating https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing as I go along with my findings | 22:08 |
| bauzas | melwitt: cool | 22:09 |
| alaski | melwitt: very nice | 22:09 |
| bauzas | alaski: ok, will then only update the current template by adding the 74 exceptions and will enable the test in non-voting check pipeline | 22:10 |
| bauzas | if we need to have a CI reporting all the issues, we could add another conditional later | 22:10 |
| alaski | bauzas: I think that might be good for now, we'll just have to reduce the exclusions in two steps then | 22:10 |
| alaski | fix in nova, then remove from devstack regex | 22:10 |
| bauzas | alaski: yup | 22:11 |
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| bauzas | ok, working it now | 22:11 |
| alaski | melwitt: The flavor 42 could not be found failures are interesting, I thought that issue was fixed | 22:11 |
| bauzas | that's really easy | 22:11 |
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| melwitt | alaski: yeah, I don't really understand all of this yet (not a cells expert) but it's the m1.nano flavor is in the top level instance_types table but not the nova_cell instance_types table | 22:12 |
| alaski | bauzas: cool, thanks | 22:12 |
| alaski | melwitt: oh. that's a slightly different issue then | 22:13 |
| alaski | when flavors are added via the api they aren't replicated to the cell db | 22:13 |
| melwitt | alaski: okay. there's another one that puzzled me, it behaves as though region!child@1 is supposed to be the key value for an attr on compute node. but I don't find that encoded name anywhere in the db, even though from the code it has to have got it from there? | 22:14 |
| alaski | melwitt: that issue is interesting | 22:14 |
| melwitt | alaski: ah, okay. so if tempest is adding via api, they need to add to cell api too? | 22:14 |
| alaski | melwitt: right, but there isn't a mechanism for doing that today | 22:15 |
| alaski | we could fix the API calls so they route through cells properly, but it's not an insignificant effort | 22:15 |
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| melwitt | hm, okay | 22:15 |
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| alaski | those might be better skipped for now, but if someone wants to fix that it would be great | 22:16 |
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| alaski | for the other issue take a look at the code around https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145362/2/nova/compute/cells_api.py | 22:16 |
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| alaski | melwitt: essentially the cells api layer is adding routing information to the compute_node.id. it's not actually in the db, just returned via the api | 22:17 |
| melwitt | alaski: oh, thanks! | 22:17 |
| alaski | melwitt: np. I guess it actually happens a layer lower than that, but that's essentially it | 22:18 |
| melwitt | yeah, helps a lot to know where to start looking either way | 22:19 |
| alaski | so from my end I've been working on having nova-manage work with two databases | 22:19 |
| alaski | melwitt: definitely | 22:19 |
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| alaski | I have a lot to learn about oslo.db and sqlalchemy to figure out the right way to work with multiple databases | 22:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: is this really difficult ? | 22:20 |
| alaski | bauzas: I don't think it will be difficult, there seems to be support in sqlalchemy for this. It's mainly me understanding it | 22:21 |
| alaski | and getting it setup properly in nova and oslo.db | 22:21 |
| alaski | and not having as much time as I want :) | 22:22 |
| belmoreira | alaski: it's great to know... we started looking as well and doesn't seems trivial | 22:22 |
| bauzas | alaski: I'm saying that because there is a sql_connection opt to be done | 22:23 |
| alaski | one thing I don't understand yet is whether we can dynamically add new databases to talk to, or if a restart will be required | 22:23 |
| alaski | belmoreira: definitely not trivial, but I think it's mostly a matter of finding the right places to configure it | 22:23 |
| bauzas | alaski: at least you need to setup DB | 22:23 |
| alaski | bauzas: right | 22:24 |
| bauzas | alaski: so if you're using a CONF object, then you need to restart | 22:24 |
| alaski | so one question I have is what are peoples thoughts on naming of the dbs | 22:24 |
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| bauzas | because the CONF object is not live changing | 22:24 |
| alaski | right now everything assumes one db and is named just sql_ something or db_ something | 22:25 |
| alaski | I've been adding api_sql_ and api_db_ stuff | 22:25 |
| bauzas | IIRC, you have a SQL connection string to provide | 22:25 |
| bauzas | including the creds and the DB name | 22:25 |
| alaski | bauzas: we decided to put that in a db right? | 22:26 |
| alaski | the dynamic ones | 22:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: right, just talking about how it can work | 22:26 |
| bauzas | oslo.db is using a sql_connection opt IIRC | 22:26 |
| alaski | right, I'm still detangling some of that | 22:26 |
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| bauzas | so, that sounds possible to dynamically change this | 22:26 |
| belmoreira | alaski: yes... but in all_in_one deployments will we need at least 2 nova.conf | 22:27 |
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| bauzas | you just need to not use this opt, and provide the sql connection when instantiating the DB API implementation | 22:27 |
| alaski | belmoreira: I think so, like we have today | 22:27 |
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| bauzas | belmoreira: that's already manageable per service | 22:27 |
| alaski | bauzas: right, that's what I'd like to see. But there's a lot of strangeness in how things are configured in oslo.db right now | 22:28 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: I mean, oslo.config is allowing you to specify a conf file per service name | 22:28 |
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| bauzas | belmoreira: so assuming the cells service won't have the same name than the child service, it should be fine | 22:28 |
| alaski | at one point I think a config option is being populated in the code passed on args passed in | 22:29 |
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| belmoreira | bauzas: great... I'm thinking how complex it can be to have a simple all_in_one devstack running | 22:29 |
| bauzas | alaski: that depends if it's a cli_opt | 22:30 |
| bauzas | depends on, (of course) | 22:30 |
| alaski | bauzas: it's not even that, the way that the backend for migrations is looked up is done like that. It reads it from a config option that isn't actually defined as an option to be read from cli/conf file that I can see | 22:31 |
| alaski | it's just magically created at some point in the back and forth between nova and oslo.db | 22:32 |
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| alaski | but I'm working my way through it all for now | 22:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: oh I see your question | 22:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: that's an oslo.db option | 22:34 |
| bauzas | IIRC of course | 22:34 |
| bauzas | AFAIK | 22:34 |
| bauzas | (well, I was using the oslo incubator a while ago, maybe things changed since that) | 22:35 |
| alaski | I didn't find it in there. But I think I just need to get in touch with an expert over there and ask some questions | 22:35 |
| alaski | any other updates or things to discuss today? | 22:35 |
| belmoreira | continuing DB discussion | 22:36 |
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| belmoreira | we will need to have two different nova.db.apis | 22:36 |
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| belmoreira | one for each DB | 22:37 |
| alaski | right | 22:37 |
| alaski | we may be able to work with objects so that we don't end up with another giant db.api type file | 22:38 |
| bauzas | alleliuah | 22:38 |
| alaski | but whatever we end up with will be separate from the current db.api | 22:38 |
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| bauzas | that said, using objects doesn't necessarly means we can get rid of a big giant DB API | 22:39 |
| bauzas | it only allows us to hide the conductor methods right ? | 22:39 |
| alaski | I'm not sure at this point | 22:39 |
| alaski | I think Dan had a plan to move the db calls into the objects, or closer to them | 22:40 |
| alaski | I'll ask him about it next week | 22:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah I remember that disussion | 22:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: +1, will be at midcycle too | 22:40 |
| alaski | great | 22:40 |
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| bauzas | alaski: IIRC the discussion was about the number of save() calls in the objects which was not efficient | 22:41 |
| alaski | belmoreira: was there more you wanted to discuss? | 22:41 |
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| alaski | bauzas: yeah, that would be good to address | 22:41 |
| belmoreira | alaski: we are looking into the same things that you mentioned... it will be good to share | 22:42 |
| alaski | belmoreira: ok, good to know | 22:43 |
| alaski | definitely don't want to duplicate work if we don't need to | 22:43 |
| alaski | belmoreira: I'm out basically all next week for the mid-cycle and travel, but I'll get in touch when I get back | 22:45 |
| alaski | anything else from anyone? | 22:45 |
| alaski | alright, I'm going to call it then | 22:46 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 22:46 |
| bauzas | thanks | 22:46 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 22:46 |
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