Tuesday, 2015-01-20

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devananda#startmeeting ironic05:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 20 05:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'05:00
devanandahi folks!05:00
mrdao/05:00
Nishahi devananda05:00
naohiroto/05:00
takadayuikoo/05:00
jroll\o05:00
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JayFo/05:01
devanandaas usual, the agenda is on the wiki -05:01
devananda#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic05:01
vdrok_o/05:01
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devanandatoday's a holiday inthe US. extra thanks to those who are here anyway :)05:01
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devananda#topic announcements05:01
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mrdawhat holiday?05:01
devanandano special announcements from me -- other than a reminder that the midcycle sprints are coming up05:02
devananda(yes, there are two -- one in the EU and one in the US)05:02
mrdaahh, MLK05:02
devanandamrda: yup05:02
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devanandaif you plan on attending a sprint and have not already "purchased" a ticket through eventbrite, please do so05:02
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devanandathat helps the organizing folks know how many are coming05:02
devanandathat's it for me -- anyone else have announcements?05:03
jroll#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/IronicKiloSprint05:03
devanandaah, thanks jroll05:03
devananda#topic subteam status reports05:03
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devananda#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard05:04
wanyendeva so the midcycle meeting at Grenoble is already a coding sprint? Will it discuss kilo2 target specs?05:04
wanyens/already/aslo05:04
wanyens/aslo/also05:04
devanandawanyen: because many folks can't make it to one or the other (or either) event, I don't think we have a critical mass to do significant planning work05:05
devanandawanyen: and we should continue doing that online05:05
wanyendeva; ok05:05
devanandawanyen: so I'd rather the folks who attend help each other focus on *implementing* the mountain of work we have05:05
devanandaok - back to subteam status ...05:06
devanandadtantsur led a bug-triage day last week05:06
devanandait looks like it went really well!05:06
devanandaI see that we have an agenda item to discuss the iRMC driver, so let's not go into that here05:07
devanandanaohirot: thanks for the update on the etherpad, too05:07
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naohirotdevananda: you are welcome.05:07
devanandait looks like the iLO driver still has many specs that need reviews ...05:07
naohirotdevananda: kilo-2 is comming, will be iRMC management driver a part of it as well as power driver?05:08
wanyendeva, yes ples review ilo specs05:08
devananda#info bug triage day last week went well. should repeat it periodically05:08
devananda#info iLO driver has many specs up that still need reviews05:08
devanandanaohirot: I hope so ... we'll see what folks are able to review05:08
rameshg87here is status of ilo third-party ci05:09
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naohirotdevananda and all: I'm ready to update as soon as I got comments :)05:09
rameshg87we are in the process of setting up third party ci05:09
rameshg87looking to add tests for iscsi_ilo and agent_ilo in gate and check pipelines05:09
rameshg87planning some changes in devstack (lib/ironic) and devstack-gate (devstack-vm-gate-wrap.sh) for this.05:09
rameshg87will raise gerrit reviews and pick ironic folks to have a look at this first.05:09
rameshg87s/pick/ping :)05:09
devanandarameshg87: awesome!05:09
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devanandarameshg87: please don't hesitate to ask questions about setting up the CI system. I work with (and very briefly worked on) the infra team05:10
devanandaat the least, I can point you to docs or the people who know more05:11
rameshg87devananda, i follow a blog written by Jay Pipes05:11
devanandarameshg87: if that's the one I'm thinking of, it's a good walk through :)05:11
rameshg87devananda, it's explained in detail except that lots of things in openstack-infra has changed since tutorial was written05:11
devanandayep05:11
rameshg87devananda, just need to figure out where things are right now :)05:11
devanandaanteaya may be able to help there05:11
mrdathere's also some infra people in this TZ that can help if required.05:12
mrdajhesketh for example05:12
jaypipesrameshg87: you should use the fork of the os-ext-testing repository from ramy asselin:05:12
rameshg87devananda, mrda, thanks ..05:12
rameshg87jaypipes, great ..05:12
rameshg87jaypipes, thanks. i was making changes to that and was planning to raise a pull request to you :)05:12
mrdaand maybe jaypipes is in *every* timezone :)05:12
devanandalol05:13
devanandaok - going to time box this section05:14
devanandathanks again, everyone, for the status updates05:14
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devananda#topic driver naming conventions05:14
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devanandanaohirot: I think you stumbled into a much larger question accidentally here05:14
devanandaand by "larger" I actually mean "it's a giant bikeshed"05:15
naohirotdevananda: yes, should I explain background?05:15
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devanandanaohirot: sure05:15
naohirotdevananda: I got a comment from JayF during the reivew of iRMC Management spec.05:16
naohirot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136020/10/specs/kilo/irmc-management-driver.rst05:16
naohirotplease look at the line 3005:17
devanandaJayF and jroll and I had started discussing it just before the meeting05:18
naohirotdevananda: I saw devananda and jroll's conversation in the Ironic channnel05:18
devananda:)05:18
devanandashort version from my POV - as we add more driver interfaces, the names of drivers either:05:18
naohirotit seems it's famous boot and deploy problem.05:18
wanyenchaning driver name involves backward compatibility05:18
devananda- become longer and more descriptive and tend towards a list of interface classes from which that driver is composed05:19
devananda- or shorter and "cute"05:19
jrollI've said it since the summit, I think we need composable drivers05:19
jrollas in a column for each type05:19
naohirotwhat I'd like to discuss here is how to approach this problem.05:20
devanandabut either way we go, changing current driver names would require us to keep the existing pythong enrypoints for compatibility05:20
rameshg87jroll, do you mean operator picks up the interfaces for the composable driver ?05:20
jrollrameshg87: I'm not entirely sure it will work, ideally the operator just puts driver names in the db and it just works05:20
jrollanyway, that's beyond this discussion.05:20
JayFI think a longer, more descriptive name is better. We already have enough trouble about 'what's the difference between drivers' without bringing cutesy names into it.05:21
jrollI tend to think it's fine to go outside of the current "convention" that isn't really defined05:21
naohirotI'd prefer the first option, issuing a bp and redactor05:21
devanandajroll: I disagree for two reasons. first (and possibly solvable) is that this leads to a combinatorial explosion of testing requirements. second (and human in nature) is that operators are probably going to pick a reasonably small subset of the potential combinations05:21
devanandaso we should just give them those choices05:21
jrollfor irmc, name them similar to what JayF suggested. leave the rest alone for now05:21
devanandalike - who would compose ipmi-power and ilo-boot05:22
jrolldevananda: maybe it's just me being a nerd05:22
devanandawhen ilo implements both power and boot05:22
rameshg87this doesn't happen for all drivers. should we just break the convention whenever it is required only ?05:22
devanandathat's a trivial example which we would immediately hit, were we to allow arbitrary compositing05:22
jrollyeah, I think it's fine to break convention05:22
JayFdevananda: I generally see the matrix as being pxe vs some kind of BMC boot * the two "major" deploy drivers05:22
JayFdevananda: that matrix of 4 drivers per new virtualmedia-capable management driver is going to be common05:23
devanandaJayF: that statement assumes there are no other deploy drivers05:23
devanandaJayF: and it assumes other interfaces are not being mixed in through other means05:23
JayFand the only way to really fix that is to have fewer deploy drivers05:23
devanandasuch as console or raid05:23
JayFor start talking about drivers in ways other than static names05:23
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JayFexactly05:23
mrdaI think it's worth noting that OpenStack generally is quite opinionated05:23
devanandamrda: yup05:23
devanandaI'm all for the opinion here05:23
mrdalol05:24
devanandaand I wouldn't mind having cute names. we already give our projects names -- why not the drivers? :)05:24
JayFI mean, lets look at the iRMC example again05:24
JayFwhat "opinion" would we have? All 4 drivers would have merit in different use case.s05:24
mrda(unless good reason not to follow suit)05:24
JayFit's just another thing to bikeshed over05:24
devanandatoday we effectively have: (power) + (boot) + (deploy) + (management) + (console)05:25
devanandain some cases, many of these are provided by a single implementation, eg, ilo provides power, boot, management, and console05:26
devanandaso we get just (ilo) + (iscsi, agent)05:26
naohirotdevananda: I see, now I understood the real background of the driver naming05:26
devanandaI imagine that other vendor-specific drivers will tend towards a similar state05:26
devananda(vendor) + (deploy method)05:27
naohirotdevananda: name consists of 5 words ideally.05:27
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devanandabut what if I want to use the IPMI 2.0 standard SOL session instead of iLO's ?05:27
devanandaright now, I can't.05:28
devanandathat's an opinion. I think it's fine if Ironic has that sort of opinion.05:28
jroll++05:28
JayFSure. but that still doesn't help the issue at hand with iRMC. Should we say we only want to support a given kind of boot?05:29
wanyenNot quite sure why a user wants to use ipmi and iLO deploy and boot combination05:29
jrollI'm ok with just supporting virtualmedia, as long as all irmc hardware has VM support05:29
JayFThat means booting anything using iRMC driver requires CIFS/NFS05:30
jrolloh, that's a thing05:32
jrollI mean05:32
JayFI just want us to get somewhere with the conversation; have a specific answer for naohirot so that spec doesn't stay in limbo, even if we have to continue thinking about overall naming and composability of drivers05:32
jrollif we want to support all four; name them distinctly like JayF suggested05:32
JayFI obviously think the best path for that is implement the 4 drivers, name them what I suggested :)05:32
mrda+105:32
devanandaJayF: ++05:32
devanandaer, I mean, +1 on getting to a specific answer05:32
devanandaI'm looking at the ilo* drivers right now -- there are three05:32
devananda(not counting fake)05:32
* JayF would rather not stay up to look at a non-moving IRC meeting05:32
devanandaJayF: of the four you're suggesting,a nd the three that ilo implements ,what's missing?05:33
wanyendeva, ilo driver doesn nt use ipmi05:33
devanandavm_iscsi?05:33
JayFit's just a matrix, pxe/agent vs pxeboot/virtualmedia05:33
JayFI think they may not have agent/virtualmedia yet05:33
devanandawanyen: I know :) that was just an example to illustrate a point05:34
JayFbut imbw05:34
wanyenthat's why iLo driver only has 3 drivers not 405:34
devanandaJayF: IloVirtualMediaAgentDriver05:34
JayFdevananda: agent + pxe is missing05:35
JayFwe do not have a driver that uses iLo management + pxe boots + IPA deploy05:35
rameshg87JayF, yes, it's not there ..05:35
devanandaoh. right05:35
devanandaagent + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt05:36
JayFsee; I almost think that's a bug05:36
JayFthere's no reason that doesn't exist other than because it doesn't05:36
devanandabecause there is iscsi + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt05:36
devanandayea05:36
devanandaJayF: so this is where, apparently, the authors of that driver (or we as a community) had an opinion05:36
jrollI mean, it's not a bug until someone wants it05:37
devanandaor we just skipped it05:37
devanandabecause no one wanted it05:37
rameshg87devananda, JayF, there was a reason for that have iscsi + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt. it helps to deal with uefi systems05:37
JayFI was more suspecting it was an oversight05:37
devanandain short, I don't think we should be telling the driver authors what combinations of interfaces they should be providing. they should listen to their users and implement that05:37
rameshg87devananda, JayF, when agent supports uefi, we can as well have it05:37
JayFdevananda: that's reasonable; but I would still say the drivers should be named more descriptively, even if we don't want to implement the full matrix05:38
JayFbut I want that to be a decision; not an oversight05:38
jrollor we should document the mapping05:38
wanyendeva ++05:38
JayFgiven it was modelled on what drivers iLo had before; I suspect it was not a decision explicitly mad05:38
JayF*made05:38
devanandaJayF: fair points05:38
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devanandanaohirot: what combinations of interfaces matter to you / /your users?05:39
naohirotdevananda: I just would like to follow the ilo implementation as the first step.05:39
devanandarameshg87: are you saying that PXE boot is necessary for UEFI support (and works better than iLO vmedia boot for that) ?05:40
naohirotdevananda: so it's difficult to answer your question.:-)05:40
wanyendeva, ipmi toll does not handle boot mode05:40
devanandanaohirot: are you planning to test all of them, or just one?05:40
rameshg87devananda, setting boot device doesn't work well with ipmi. pxe boot + ilo mgmt  on uefi works05:41
wanyenso we have pxe-ilo driver using ilo to manage boot mode05:41
devanandarameshg87: ahh. gotcha. so for a user who wants to use PXE boot, they need to use iLO mgmt (rather than IPMI) to enable UEFI05:41
devanandarameshg87: thanks05:41
rameshg87devananda, yeah05:41
JayFdevananda: aiui, that's the same difference with iRMC as well05:42
JayFdevananda: at least that's what I gleaned from the spec05:42
naohirotdevananda: I think right now there is no concrete customer, my concern is to implement workable driver and ask potential customer's feedback.05:42
devanandanaohirot: my advice would then be, start with the simplest one that provides the functionality you think your customers want05:43
naohirotdevananda: that's the reason I'd like to implement the way ilo does right now.05:43
Haomeng|2rameshg87: do you mean it does not support 'persistent' option?05:43
devanandanaohirot: rather than trying to support 3 separate drivers initially05:43
rameshg87Haomeng|2, no. setting boot device itself doesn't work properly with ipmi. it's not related to persistent option.05:43
devanandas/separate/different combinations of/05:43
rameshg87Haomeng|2, i mean only on uefi machines05:43
devanandarameshg87: you mean boot mode, not device, right?05:43
rameshg87devananda, both infact :)05:43
Haomeng|2rameshg87: ok05:43
naohirotdevananda: I'd rather shipping small set of driver rather than complete one.05:44
devanandarameshg87: oh, hmmm. I haven't seen problems setting boot device like that. thanks05:44
JayFnaohirot: then as a suggestion, why not do the virtual media boot drivers later?05:44
JayFnaohirot: the pxe / agent deploy drivers, if pxe booting, should be very quick to get up and proof of concept05:44
rameshg87devananda, for reference, we have code to handle that - https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py#L334-L34805:45
devanandaJayF: ++05:45
jrollJayF: ++ just need power driver for that05:45
naohirotJayF: That's what I'm doing.05:45
JayFcool, then if we do that I'd be OK with pxe_irmc / agent_irmc drivers05:45
devanandajroll: I think the power driver already got approved, no?05:45
naohirotJayF: I implement PXE+iRMC without virtual media first.05:45
JayFperfect05:45
jrolldevananda: maybe? idk if everything is wired up05:45
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jrollpeople can ignore me if I'm wrong :P05:46
naohirotJayF: :)05:46
devanandajroll:05:46
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devanandahttp://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/kilo/irmc-power-driver.html05:46
devanandaoops05:46
devanandabad paste, but right link05:46
jrolldevananda: cool, but is there code05:46
devanandaoh...05:47
jrollit's irrelevant for this discussion though05:47
jrollignore me05:47
devanandanaohirot: does that work for you? just pxe_irmc and agent_irmc for now05:48
naohirotdevananda: yes05:48
devananda#agreed iRMC work to proceed with two drivers (pxe_irmc and agent_irmc) and no vmedia support initially, but that may come later05:49
devananda#topic open discussion05:49
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naohirotdevananda: agent_irmc uses virtual media, but pxe_irmc doesn't use virtualmedia.05:49
lintan_wanyen: Hi, do you have time to discuss with secure mode05:49
wanyenlintan, sure05:49
devanandanaohirot: ah, gotcha. that's fine too05:50
vdrok_I have a small question about deploy_key that i put to instance_info during deployment05:50
devananda#undo05:50
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vdrok_do we really need it?05:50
lintan_wanyen: first, do you think is it necessary to have one interface for secure boot or trust boot?05:50
devananda#agreed correction - agent_irmc will use vmedia, and pxe_irmc will not05:50
devananda#topic open discussion05:50
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jrollvdrok_: I'm not aware of this, isn't that something ironic puts in?05:50
jrollvdrok_: (or it doesn't go there at all)05:50
wanyenlintan, no I don't think so.  I thin make them seprate will be more clear05:51
vdrok_jroll, yes, but it's checked only here - https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L220-L22105:51
wanyens/thin/think05:51
naohirotdevananda: Just make sure there is no misunderstainding. agent_irmc and iscsi_irmc use virtual media, pxe_irmc doesn't use virtual media.05:51
vdrok_which is called on continue_deploy05:51
vdrok_and it seems that it can't really change05:51
lintan_wanyen: but they are very similar and work for the same goal05:51
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jrollvdrok_: right, that's a pxe driver thing, I'm not sure what it does though05:52
jrollvdrok_: but I thought ironic puts it there automatically05:52
devanandavdrok_: it is created here: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L33605:52
jrollvdrok_: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L334-33805:52
wanyenlintan, they protect bare-metal node at differnt phases and user may want to be sure what they will have05:52
devanandavdrok_: and lives only temporarily -- just for the duration of that deploy ramdisk05:52
vdrok_devananda, yes05:53
vdrok_devananda, but do we need it actually?05:53
devanandavdrok_: it is used as a very crude authentication method05:53
devanandavdrok_: the deploy ramdisk POSTs it back05:53
devanandaand ironic validates it05:53
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jrolldevananda: doesn't the keystone token cover auth?05:53
wanyenlintan, for security feature I think it's importatn for user to know what they end up with, either trusted boot or secure boot05:53
devanandagah. it's late. I mean authorization05:54
jrollmmm05:54
devanandajroll: you're correct - keystone token covers authentication. this token authorizes that deploy ramdisk to receive the instance image05:54
jrollhuh05:54
devanandabecause, presumably, no other ramdisk received *taht* token on boot05:54
jrollI guess that's useful05:54
devanandaeven if other ramdisks received the same keystone token05:55
lintan_wanyen, we can left the choice for user, but from perspective of Ironic, they are same05:55
lintan_wanyen, similar I mean, they can share a interface05:56
devanandait's not all that secure, but it's better than not having it. I would much rather inject some key material over the OOB (vmedia) channel ... but that's not possible with standard IPMI in any way I know of05:56
vdrok_devananda, but it can change only if user will explicitly change it in instance_info?05:57
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wanyenlintan, I would like ot use r differnt flavors for trusted boot vs secure boot.05:57
devanandavdrok_: it does not change05:57
vdrok_oh, right, its internal05:57
wanyenlintan, for managerinterface, we can discuss what would be best : eitehr to have two interfaces or one05:57
devanandavdrok_: it is created by the PXE driver during deploy, then deleted when the deploy is done05:57
devanandaright05:57
lintan_wanyen, different flavor is OK with me05:57
jrolldoes trusted boot imply secure boot?05:58
jroll(just curious)05:58
lintan_wanyen, we still need to save extra spec in ironic db05:58
stendulkerlintan: falvor would be better choice as user would know what he wants05:58
lintan_jroll: yes trusted boot are secure boot as well05:58
jrollstendulker: (or she)05:58
stendulkerjroll: he :)05:59
jroll...05:59
wanyenlintan, flavor will be passed as part of the instance_info ti ironic05:59
jrollanyway, I think our time is up05:59
devanandayep05:59
jrollwanyen: ironic doesn't know about flavors05:59
rameshg87i had one item for open discussion :(05:59
stendulkerjroll : Trusted and secure boot differ and they work bit differently but try to achieve the same goal of having uncompromised OS image05:59
rameshg87i was waiting for these to complete05:59
devanandarameshg87: we started open discussion 10 minutes ago ...06:00
jrollstendulker: right06:00
wanyenjroll, I meant flavor will be copied into instance_info/capabilities06:00
rameshg87devananda, i was waiting to avoid chaos06:00
devanandarameshg87: embrace the chaos :)06:00
jrollheh06:00
devanandarameshg87: or bring it up on the mailing list?06:00
naohirotrameshg87: :)06:00
mrdarameshg87: to the channel then :)06:00
devanandaalso, we're out of time06:00
devanandathanks everyone!06:00
mrdathanks devananda!06:00
jrollthanks folks :D06:00
devananda#endmeeting06:01
lintan_thanks06:01
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sarobMorning all16:59
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sarob#startmeeting congressteammeeting17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 20 17:00:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'17:00
sarobThinhichs, arosen, ayip are all out today17:01
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sarobMorning congress team17:01
sarobRoll call17:01
alexsyipI'm here17:02
sarobCool17:02
alexsyipI can't make it to the office by 9am, so I use irc from home.17:02
sarobWho else is here for the congress meeting17:02
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sarobAlexsip no prob17:02
jwyI'm here17:03
sarobMorn key17:03
sarobMorn jwy17:03
sarobSpell chk17:03
jwygood morning17:03
sarobCloudtoad?17:04
sarobKiran?17:04
sarobWell let's start then17:04
sarobLet's go with abrev'd updates17:05
sarobAlexsyip go first?17:05
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sarobLooks like lost alexsyip17:06
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sarobJwy you update?17:07
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jwymet with some folks last week to brainstorm how the policy creation UI could look like in Horizon17:07
jwythere are a couple things that still need to be worked out more17:07
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jwyI'll use what we came up with so far and then try to fill in the gaps from that17:08
jwydid some code reviews17:09
jwyI think that's about it17:09
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alexsyipI worked on the performance of initializing congress tables from a datasource17:09
sarobQuick summary of the ideas and what you settled on jwy17:10
sarobJwy for the log17:10
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jwythe creation process is broken into three steps17:10
jwy1. "if": select the tables you're interested in and the columns from those tables17:11
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jwy2. "where": any constraints, just as table joins (column a equals column b)17:11
jwy3. "then": build the result table, and select which of the columns from those available that you want in there17:11
jwybasically, a form like the rules editor you might see in a mail client17:12
jwysome of the fields will be dynamically populated based on other choices, and some will have autocompletion, to help pick values17:12
jwymake sense?17:12
sarobYup to me17:13
sarobAny questions team?17:13
sarobDo you think this needs to be a spec17:14
sarobOr just a code patch?17:14
jwyan example of something that still needs to be worked out is what to do with tables whose columns don't have names17:14
jwyi'll add these details to the existing spec17:14
sarobCool17:15
sarobAnything else?17:16
sarob#action jwy to update the existing horizon table spec17:17
jwythat's it17:17
sarobAlexsyip you're up17:17
sarobAlexsyip it looked like you dropped17:17
sarobAlexsyip so we continued on17:18
alexsyipok17:18
alexsyipI was working on performance improvements17:18
alexsyipfor importing the initial table contents from a datasource driver.17:18
alexsyipI made a few small changes that speed things up.17:18
alexsyipI forget what the improvement was, but I think it was something between 3 to 10x faster17:19
sarobAlexsyip oh that's all17:19
sarob;)17:19
alexsyipWe were generating a UUID for each row ( that turns out to be expensive)17:19
alexsyipWe were also computing a row has using a long process of creating a string, and then taking the hash of the string.17:20
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alexsyipSo I changed that to compute a hash using a python-tuple instead.17:20
alexsyipAnd then I started caching the hash values.17:20
alexsyipI think that's all.17:20
alexsyipThe next thing I'll look at is memory consumption of table rows.17:20
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sarobCool17:22
sarobWho's next17:22
sarobRadu_17:23
sarobMadhuhuman?17:23
sarobSamta17:24
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sarobSeeing if I can get cloudtoad to join us17:25
sarobHold on a minute17:26
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sarobLooks like he's stuck doing something else17:28
sarobAnyone have design summit talks planned?17:28
jwyeric lopez wants to apply to give a congress hands-on-lab17:30
sarobJwy it sound good17:31
jwysarob, do you know him?17:31
sarobI do17:31
sarobI've been discussing training and congress17:31
sarobJacob introduced me first day17:31
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jwyok, cool17:32
sarobElo you there!17:32
rajdeepdhi17:32
rajdeepdi would also like to apply in helping for congress hands on lab17:33
sarobRajeepd certainly17:33
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sarobI am circulating ideas within Emc and VMware17:34
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sarobI will be posting publicly tomorrow17:34
sarobWhat talks we have planned17:34
sarobAnyone is welcome to help speak17:35
sarobVoting up the talks and joining us are also welcome17:35
sarobPls offer up congress or other ideas if you have them17:36
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sarobEither here, email, or tweet17:36
sarobSo others can weigh in17:37
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sarobAnd you can get help17:37
sarobThat's all I have17:38
sarob#action alexsyip working on table memory use17:39
sarob#action sarob will blog post on planned summit talks17:39
sarobOkey dokey17:39
sarobI guess we can close early17:40
sarobWhen you speak with other team members17:40
sarobRemind them that irc meet attendance is important17:40
sarobI'll make some inquires as well17:41
sarobCheers people17:41
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sarob#endmeeting17:42
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 20 19:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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briancurtinBrian Curtin, Rackspace19:00
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stevelleSteve Lewis, Rackspace19:02
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terrylhoweTerry Howe, HP19:04
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briancurtinsigmavirus24: here?19:05
sigmavirus24sorry, yes19:05
sigmavirus24Ian Cordasco, Rackspace19:05
briancurtinanyway, i put together a smallish agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2015-01-20_1900_UTC19:05
briancurtin#topic CDN progress19:05
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briancurtinso i put the resources up for the CDN service, but i can't test them just yet. that depends on having Rackspace auth done (which is in progress) since it's not installable in devstack. i left it as Workflow-1 for now, but i think it's complete19:06
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briancurtini got the Rackspace auth plugin started, but it's inside the sdk repo while i figure it out. it seems to work fine, and allows me to use a connection to list compute servers, so i think it's working. just need to figure out how it will actually work living outside of the repo (https://github.com/briancurtin/python-openstacksdk/commit/2426aa925d9ecf875647d4a1903febd4ceb089a4 has a working copy)19:08
sigmavirus24I haven't had the chance to look at the Poppy/CDN work yet but I will later this week probably19:08
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briancurtini'm thinking one thing that should be in the SDK tree is that an entry_point will have to be listed in setup.cfg for this rackspace auth plugin, but actual code will live elsewhere. i think that's the way to do it19:09
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briancurtinthen for starters, install SDK, install rackspace-auth, and then you can do some stuff. we've talked about this in the past, but it would be great (later on) to have the ability to package everything together19:11
briancurtinalso brings up the eventual topic of testing provider specific drivers and how that works19:11
briancurtini dont know if that falls under the third-party testing things i've read about with projects like neutron testing network vendors things19:12
stevelleseems like it would to me19:13
sigmavirus24I haven't looked into that much either, but that sounds right. terrylhowe might know more?19:13
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terrylhoweI thought some other folks were against have vendor specific stuff in the sdk19:14
terrylhoweI’m not necessarily against it, but I thought some people didn’t want that19:14
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briancurtinterrylhowe: it wouldn't live inside the SDK, i just did it that way for now so i could test it easily and make sure it works. it'll eventually move it into some other repo19:15
terrylhoweFog is that way, where there is vendor specific stuff in the code19:15
terrylhoweah, okay19:15
briancurtini'm not opposed to it, but i remember some strong opposition. it would make it nice to keep everything together, but then people didn't like vendors polluting the upstream-ness of the project, etc19:16
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terrylhoweWell, the Fog project became a bit bloated and I think they split things up a bit19:16
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sigmavirus24briancurtin: poppy is a stackforge project still, right?19:17
briancurtinsigmavirus24: yes19:17
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stevelleI think having vendor specifics separated will make things easier in the long term, but does incur a cost in the short term19:17
briancurtinthe major thing to me with vendor things living separately is still making it possible to bundle them all together and have (as an option) a way to get the SDK with plugins19:18
terrylhoweI was thinking I’d put out some hp extension of some sort, but there would probably be changes to the SDK to support the integration19:18
terrylhoweyes briancurtin19:18
sigmavirus24so packaging can take care of all of that19:18
stevellewhat sigmavirus24 said19:18
sigmavirus24it will make it confusing about where the right place to report a bug might be but I think we can package our way out of that19:19
sigmavirus24What we probably need to avoid is another oslo.* problem though in which some pieces get installed as editable and that causes namespace problems19:19
sigmavirus24But that would be the "easiest" way forward19:19
sigmavirus24That's all tangential to the topic at hand though19:20
terrylhoweopenstack.hp openstack.rax something like that?19:20
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terrylhoweI haven’t given much thought to the namespace issues19:21
sigmavirus24Might be better to continue this in #openstack-sdks since we're almost at half-time19:21
briancurtinterrylhowe: i'll take a look at how to organize that once i get a little further along with this CDN stuff, since i think i'll hit this19:21
briancurtin#topic object_store proxy19:22
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terrylhowecool, briancurtin19:22
briancurtinis there any strong objection to me pushing this on and then moving onto part 2, making it easier to work with header values and such, basically adding handling of kwargs from one of my big comments in teh review19:22
sigmavirus24briancurtin: not sure I have the context for this discussion19:23
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terrylhowehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ this one?19:24
briancurtinsigmavirus24: it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ - mostly the discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/8/openstack/object_store/v1/_proxy.py19:24
sigmavirus24ah19:25
terrylhoweI thought we were done with that one19:25
terrylhoweyou created a couple tickets on some issues as I recall, wasn’t that for this one?19:25
briancurtinterrylhowe: ah, that was pagination, which i need to finish tests for. also two smaller issues that should happen outside of this, specific to object_store, but not to the proxy19:27
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sigmavirus24Yeah, I thought https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147914/ was teh solution19:27
briancurtinoh yeah, there's that one. if that's good, i already made that a dependency of the object_store change, so it'd be ready to go19:29
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briancurtinif not, will adjust accordingly...not trying to hold it hostage :)19:31
terrylhoweseems like some of the approaches with swift are different than we do it elsewhere.  that being said swift is different.19:32
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briancurtinterrylhowe: what do you mean?19:32
terrylhoweand I’d like to get this stuff through too19:32
terrylhowelike the resource.from_id method, the examples are different too19:33
terrylhowethe whole notion of supporting a class at the proxy level19:33
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terrylhoweI hate to keep brining up Fog, but they do that where you can pass in an id or a class19:35
terrylhowekind of cool feature, but we don’t do that for any of the other services I don’t think19:35
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briancurtinas far as i know they're all up in teh air. if the way we do the object_store proxy turns out to be a good idea, i'd love to apply it to everything else, or whichever turns out to be a good high-level view19:36
terrylhoweI’d like consistency I’m flexible on the features we provide19:36
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briancurtini'm looking at the object_store one as a test. i need to build out the example script a bit more and try to build someting real world and see how it works. a lot of the other proxies are very thin layers that just maintain your session, which i dont think go far enough, so we could play with any of them in order to figure this out19:38
terrylhoweyeh, they are thin19:39
briancurtini think it's a good place to try and make things easier within the confines of one service. then there's the layer we talked about in the past like monty's Shade (i think it's called that), with the "give me a server with a floating ip attached and i dont care how"19:41
briancurtinthat's probably more of where we'll run into those vendor namespacing things, but anyway19:41
briancurtinterrylhowe: i'd like to take a few cuts at another service's proxy to see how it can be shaped, so i might come out with another one. i think i mentioned compute/network in the past anyway, so i might go that route19:42
terrylhoweyeh, in those areas, there is a lot of potential for higher level proxy methods than currently provided19:44
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briancurtinsigmavirus24: any interest in stretching your image proxy beyond what it is? if not, can be handled later19:45
sigmavirus24briancurtin: No objections from me19:46
briancurtinsigmavirus24: as in you are personally interested in toying with the interface, or you're cool with that being done to it?19:47
sigmavirus24I'm interested in doing it19:47
briancurtinawesome19:47
briancurtingo for it19:47
briancurtinanything else going on?19:48
terrylhoweNothing here.  I’ll have a fix out for that image version problem this week is all from me.19:49
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terrylhowethe endpoint with no version in the service catalog that is19:49
sigmavirus24interesting19:49
briancurtincool, looking forward to that. have been thinking about it but havent written anything19:49
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briancurtin#endmeeting19:52
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