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| elmiko | hello? | 14:03 |
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| kchen | hi all | 14:04 |
| alazarev | o/ | 14:04 |
| aignatov | o/ | 14:04 |
| weiting | o/ | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:04 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:04 |
| huichun | o/ | 14:04 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: =) | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 29 14:04:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:04 |
| * mattf waves | 14:04 | |
| elmiko | ahh, there we go | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:05 |
| * mattf may have gone to -alt first, oops | 14:05 | |
| alazarev | it's pain to wake up at 6am :) | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| egafford | Hello. | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 14:05 |
| mattf | alazarev, not if you just got to PT from ET and you're 3hrs ahead | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:05 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | as you can see the changes now are getting some reviews | 14:06 |
| mattf | for later - let's drop "ex Savanna" | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've added an action item to the next cross-project meeting to discuss slow-merging patches issues | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | mostly -1 for code style or similar stuff | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that's a progress anyway | 14:07 |
| alazarev | no progress on my horizon patchea | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: you've got a +2 here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140518/ | 14:07 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so I thinks we might get some of those merged soon | 14:08 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140485/ | 14:08 |
| crobertsrh | thanks for updating NikitaKonovalov....sorry I was late | 14:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so that's all the update from me | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope we'll get faster reviews someday... | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 14:10 |
| elmiko | still cranking away on the security docs, fixed some bugs, and a bunch o reviews | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thanks for the oslo sync :) you're still the only how authorised to do it :) | 14:11 |
| sreshetnyak | i'm working on new integration tests and bux fixing | 14:11 |
| tosky | working on tempest to remove the hardcoded dependencies on some plugins | 14:11 |
| vgridnev_ | i'm working with hdp bug and event-log | 14:11 |
| kchen | please help review the cdh version management patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147933/ | 14:11 |
| weiting | working on cdh plugin impala service testing | 14:11 |
| kchen | to separate the codes for different cdh versions | 14:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | as the new release of stable/jun approaches there is a list of backports that should be done. You can find a chain of changes here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150825/ | 14:12 |
| egafford | Working on the unified job interface map impl now that the spec is merged (thanks SergeyLukjanov.) | 14:12 |
| huichun | working on cdh service testing | 14:12 |
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| alazarev | I created a few of specs: auto clean up, placeholders in data sources | 14:13 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, it's muscle memory at this point. tho my plans are to obsolete myself. we can prune more and more these days. | 14:13 |
| crobertsrh | Here's a fairly early version of the guided cluster creation ("wizard") page. Feel free to take a peek and comment. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147677/ | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, heh | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, nice, /me need to to try | 14:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Kilo release schedule | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 3 | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kilo-2 is next week | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and 2014.2.2 is next week two if I remember correctly | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to enlarge stable-maint core team for sahara | 14:16 |
| tmckay | I should have spark-swift stuff in today, and I'm trying to verify cdh5 version for spark (from venza) | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and so, I need volunteers to review and help with support of stabe/juno branch | 14:16 |
| tmckay | I volunteer | 14:16 |
| tmckay | are there docs somewhere on stable maint? | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, I'll share it | 14:17 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: I'm pretty involved in stable maintenance downstream at Red Hat, so I'd like to volunteer too; fits in nicely with a lot of my work. | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, egafford, ack | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic some breaking change in saharaclient Python API to align with other clients (find vs findall, see first comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150347/) (pas-ha, won't be there) | 14:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | currently I don't see any issues with it | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it just adds the find_unique | 14:20 |
| elmiko | as we're talking about the client, it might be nice to watch this as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ | 14:20 |
| elmiko | could be something we can implement in the future | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ | 14:21 |
| elmiko | granted, it's an api change, but the client could use this for sorting | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, do you have any issues with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150347/ ? | 14:21 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, not issues | 14:21 |
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| alazarev | A question: do we want to make our client in line woth other openstack clients? If yes this will change client API | 14:22 |
| alazarev | *with | 14:23 |
| elmiko | i think we should be in line with the other clients | 14:23 |
| mattf | alazarev, yes, apiclient is gone from oslo too | 14:23 |
| crobertsrh | +1 for being in-line | 14:23 |
| mattf | some potential pruning... | 14:23 |
| alazarev | +1 for being inline | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for being inline | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | this change doesn't break anything, it just adds one more func | 14:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, currently there is no compatibility issues | 14:24 |
| mattf | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/apiclient/base.py#L23 | 14:24 |
| alazarev | this clould break old versions of client users | 14:24 |
| mattf | alazarev, how old? | 14:25 |
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| alazarev | e.g. juno sahara will not work with new client | 14:25 |
| elmiko | mattf: makes me wonder, do we need to have some start porting stuff to the common openstack client? | 14:25 |
| mattf | know that for sure, or speculating? | 14:25 |
| alazarev | if we change method names - it will definitly be broken | 14:26 |
| alazarev | I'm not about proposed change | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok :) | 14:27 |
| mattf | alazarev, sounds like direction is to get on the new client lib, but we'll have to be careful or plan breaks at appropriate times | 14:27 |
| alazarev | I'm about message in the patch | 14:27 |
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| alazarev | we now use "find" as "findall" | 14:28 |
| mattf | elmiko, dunno | 14:28 |
| alazarev | do we want to rename? | 14:28 |
| mattf | that's independent of the lib we use tho | 14:28 |
| mattf | we could break that now and change lib later | 14:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, we could start using findall by adding alias while keeping find available too | 14:29 |
| mattf | alazarev, gotcha. i'm all set. | 14:29 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, but other clients use "find" as "find one" | 14:29 |
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| mattf | there's a semantic change going in already that allows for finding just one element, get an exception if not found | 14:29 |
| mattf | alazarev, is find/findall the only break that'd happen to get us inline? | 14:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | IMO it should be investigated and a spec should be proposed for it | 14:30 |
| mattf | +2 | 14:30 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:30 |
| alazarev | mattf, I don't know, this is what Pavlo pointed | 14:31 |
| tmckay | +1 | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to make us able to discuss it and probably share with TC and some WGs | 14:31 |
| mattf | +1 don't design now | 14:31 |
| alazarev | what is the usual practice? should old versions work with any version of client? | 14:31 |
| tmckay | And I'm okay with multiple names mapping to the same functionality for compat, maybe with a deprecate message | 14:31 |
| mattf | alazarev, may be appropriate to go to findall for v2 | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ++ | 14:32 |
| alazarev | tmckay, it is not possible since current name is used for other purpose | 14:32 |
| tmckay | ah, I see. nevermind :) | 14:32 |
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| alazarev | v2 could be a solution | 14:33 |
| alazarev | do we have plans for v2? | 14:33 |
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| mattf | hehe | 14:33 |
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| mattf | -2 on changing semantics w/o bumping version | 14:33 |
| elmiko | i'm still interesting in v2.... | 14:33 |
| elmiko | and i know pecan much better now ;) | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, it will be the most huge spec ever for sahara | 14:34 |
| alazarev | elmiko, everyone is interested :) | 14:34 |
| tmckay | maybe by now we should call it v3 <wink> | 14:34 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:34 |
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| crobertsrh | sahara "millenium edition" | 14:35 |
| mattf | next topic? | 14:35 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh, millenium was in 2000 :) | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:35 |
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| crobertsrh | No...I mean the NEXT millenium :) | 14:35 |
| mattf | let's drop "ex Savanna" | 14:36 |
| elmiko | i'd like to talk about DIB briefly | 14:36 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: Then we'd have to quickly replace it with Sahara XP, and no one wants that. | 14:36 |
| tmckay | +1 | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, already done for meeting page | 14:36 |
| elmiko | mattf: +1 | 14:36 |
| crobertsrh | heh | 14:36 |
| mattf | open season on "ex Savanna", if you see it, remove it | 14:36 |
| mattf | and no, not from old docs | 14:36 |
| elmiko | is DIB supposed to work with openSuse? because we have clauses for it in the script but it doesn't work on the latest version of openSuse.... | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fixed for https://launchpad.net/sahara | 14:36 |
| mattf | fyi, i added sahara to openhub yesterday - https://www.openhub.net/p/openstack-sahara | 14:37 |
| elmiko | mattf: nice! | 14:37 |
| mattf | openhub, ex ohloh | 14:38 |
| elmiko | is anyone using openSuse to run diskimage-create? | 14:38 |
| mattf | elmiko, i'm not | 14:38 |
| elmiko | is there a reason for keeping compatibility? | 14:38 |
| mattf | try git blame to find the author... | 14:39 |
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| elmiko | thought i'd bring it up here first, just to see if anyone knew about it | 14:39 |
| elmiko | but yea | 14:39 |
| mattf | Thomas Bechtold | 14:39 |
| crobertsrh | There was a guy asking about OpenSuse about 6 months ago | 14:39 |
| alazarev | I want to talk about cm_api one more time sinse I don't see ways to support indirect access for it; we need really few things from it, don't we want to create our own lib? | 14:39 |
| mattf | commit 7dfcbe3a62813001376ecd71864e1bc947c7a7e6 | 14:39 |
| mattf | Author: Thomas Bechtold <tbechtold@suse.com> | 14:39 |
| mattf | Date: Tue Nov 18 07:06:38 2014 +0100 | 14:39 |
| mattf | Add openSUSE support for diskimage-create.sh | 14:39 |
| mattf | kinda on purpose | 14:40 |
| tosky | elmiko: afaik SuSE ships with their OpenStack version, not sure about Sahara | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I'm ok with it | 14:40 |
| tosky | do you mean another lib which replaces cm_api? | 14:40 |
| tmckay | alazarev, more sahara-extra? | 14:40 |
| elmiko | maybe i should send him an email asking him to fix compat for suse lol | 14:40 |
| elmiko | or just file bugs i suppose | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nope, just a very simple client embeded to plugin | 14:40 |
| tosky | a different wrapper for the proprietary CDH console? | 14:41 |
| mattf | elmiko, very reasonable. contributed and should be maintained. | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like it was done in intel plugin | 14:41 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 14:41 |
| alazarev | tosky, just class in sahara, like we did with HDP | 14:41 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, cm_api has many functions, we use a couple, and the couple we use are primarily to do the CDH Console REST calls? so the proposal is to drop cm_api and have our own impl of the REST calls? | 14:42 |
| alazarev | mattf, exactly | 14:42 |
| crobertsrh | It is tempting to "make our own" rather than try to wedge in the cm_api. | 14:42 |
| mattf | +1 w/ regrets | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yeah, mostly because cm_api isn't packaged on any platforms and it's difficult to use it for some features like indirect access | 14:42 |
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| alazarev | CDH guys, what do you think? | 14:43 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: +1 on that as well; unless Cloudera starts packaging, it's an overall maintenance win. (Also +1 to mattf's regrets, but so it goes.) | 14:43 |
| kchen | I think maybe we can define a subset of current cm_api, and only use those APIs. | 14:43 |
| tmckay | if it's packaged in the future, of course, we can always use the "real thing" | 14:44 |
| tmckay | and back out the home-brew | 14:44 |
| egafford | tmckay: Indeed; that would be the ideal. | 14:44 |
| weiting | Actually it's about maintenance. I mean if we do it we need to do the maintain job if there is any update from Cloudera. | 14:45 |
| weiting | For long term plan, it should be a good idea to have it without cm_api. | 14:45 |
| alazarev | weiting, is REST changed often? | 14:45 |
| mattf | weiting, any info on likelihood of cloudera making incompatible changes to cm_api that we'd have to mirror? | 14:45 |
| mattf | alazarev, good use of fewer words | 14:46 |
| kchen | if we only maintain a subset of cm_api, maybe we can decrease the job of maintenance? | 14:46 |
| tmckay | and does CDH use any kind of api versioning? Maybe that would help, too | 14:46 |
| alazarev | we need really few REST calls from it | 14:46 |
| weiting | CM usually support the older version cm_api | 14:46 |
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| kchen | Yes. currently released cm_api is v8 | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, and cm_api doesn't support py33 => no way to global requirements | 14:47 |
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| weiting | And v8 can support v7 and v6 | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ++ | 14:47 |
| mattf | weiting, what's the release cadence? | 14:47 |
| weiting | We don't know. There is no cadence currently. | 14:48 |
| tmckay | sounds to me like maintenance would be reasonable, with api versions and a subset of REST calls | 14:49 |
| weiting | It depends on CM and CDH update. | 14:49 |
| mattf | ok | 14:49 |
| kchen | maybe we can stay on v8, until changes are required. | 14:49 |
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| mattf | we can always decide later that this was a bad decision and back it out | 14:49 |
| tmckay | +1 | 14:49 |
| mattf | openstack bot isn't holding any stone tablets | 14:50 |
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| elmiko | yea, given the talk seems like we need to make our own version instead of using cm_api | 14:50 |
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| elmiko | the py33 support is a total deal breaker for gobal req., as SergeyLukjanov said | 14:50 |
| alazarev | do we have volunteers to make our small version of cm_api? | 14:51 |
| egafford | weiting: Our other options are to independently maintain cm_api itself in packages on n OSes, beg Cloudera to package it on n OSes themselves, and not support Cloudera, right? Failing Cloudera packaging, the subset seems like the smallest to me. | 14:51 |
| weiting | Ok, let us propose a bp for a subnet of cm_api. | 14:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ack | 14:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else? | 14:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 5 mins left | 14:54 |
| crobertsrh | nothing from me | 14:54 |
| alazarev | nothing from me | 14:54 |
| kchen | no from me. | 14:55 |
| tmckay | intel guys, I will try to address Oozie mail thread questions today or tomorrow. Trying to validate cdh5 for spark | 14:55 |
| mattf | nothing here | 14:55 |
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| kchen | hope we can finish the subset of cm_api patch by kilo3 | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, it'll be great, but don't forget that spec is needed earlier | 14:56 |
| kchen | tmckay: thanks | 14:56 |
| egafford | kchen: +1. I'd like to volunteer to help with impl to get that done, once the spec is up; full Cloudera support by Kilo would be wonderful. | 14:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | FPF is March 5 | 14:57 |
| kchen | SergeyLukjanov: ok | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (feature proposal freeze) | 14:57 |
| kchen | egafford: thanks | 14:58 |
| kchen | I will finish the specs asap | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 29 14:58:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-29-14.04.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-29-14.04.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-29-14.04.log.html | 14:58 |
| weiting | Once the subnet lib has been done, can we enable cdh in sahara.conf by default? | 14:59 |
| huichun | tmckay: ok | 14:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, yup | 14:59 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:02 |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
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| pc_m | L3 meeting? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | pc_m: this is the right channel for the L3 meeting, right? | 15:05 |
| pc_m | yes. | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | yes, this is it | 15:06 |
| Swami | pc_m: waiting for the chair | 15:06 |
| pc_m | Don't see Carl online | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | making sure I am not waiting at the wrong place.... I've done it before :-) | 15:06 |
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| Rajeev | No worries. There are quite a few of us to be at the wrong place :) | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:09 |
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| johnbelamaric | hi pavel_bondar - we are waiting for carl | 15:09 |
| pavel_bondar | hi John, yeah, got it | 15:09 |
| pc_m | Should we start w/o him? | 15:10 |
| ihrachyshka | pc_m, wanna lead? :) | 15:10 |
| pc_m | I can try... | 15:10 |
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| pc_m | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 29 15:10:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:10 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:10 | |
| pc_m | K2 is on Feb 5th. | 15:11 |
| pc_m | Anyone have announcements? | 15:11 |
| pc_m | ok... onto bugs... | 15:12 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:12 | |
| pc_m | Here the list: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.importance%3Alist=UNKNOWN&field.importance%3Alist=UNDECIDED&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.importance%3Alist=HIGH&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field. | 15:12 |
| pc_m | bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=l3-ipam-dhcp+&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprint | 15:12 |
| pc_m | s=on | 15:12 |
| * pc_m wow, that didn't paste well. | 15:12 | |
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| ihrachyshka | use link shortener Luke | 15:13 |
| pc_m | #link http://goo.gl/7O8AKS | 15:13 |
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| pc_m | Any updates on these? | 15:14 |
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| * pc_m patiently hoping someone will speak up :) | 15:15 | |
| * ihrachyshka notes that some of those just need core reviewers to merge | 15:15 | |
| pc_m | ihrachyshka: OK.... #action Cores to review high priority bugs so they can merge | 15:16 |
| pc_m | :) | 15:16 |
| ihrachyshka | :) | 15:16 |
| pc_m | Carl also has a list of L3 IPAM DHCP bugs... #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-ipam-dhcp | 15:17 |
| pc_m | Any comments/concerns/questions on these? | 15:17 |
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| pc_m | OK. Will move on... | 15:18 |
| pc_m | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:18 |
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| pc_m | Anyone care to give an update? | 15:18 |
| pc_m | I don't see amuller online | 15:19 |
| pc_m | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:20 |
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| pc_m | devvesa: ping | 15:20 |
| pc_m | Is there anything on this? | 15:21 |
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| pc_m | Hmm... | 15:21 |
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| pc_m | Rather than going through the agenda... Let's try something different. | 15:22 |
| pc_m | Anyone have an item that they want to discuss? | 15:22 |
| Swami | pc_m: we are seeing more failures on the dvr tests lately. | 15:22 |
| pc_m | or want to provide an update on? | 15:22 |
| pc_m | #topic DVR | 15:23 |
| Swami | Yesterday we saw most of the test failing with "No host found". | 15:23 |
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| Swami | Do you know is there a way to figure out why do we get "No host found" errors only with DVR tests and not with the neutron full tests. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | Error message seen: Details: {u'message': u'No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available.', u'created': u'2015-01-28T23:11:29Z', u'code': 500} | 15:24 |
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| pc_m | Swami: Can you post a link to one of the failure test runs, so folks can look at it? | 15:25 |
| Swami | The DVR team is currently working on sorting out the differences between the neutron-full test and neutron-dvr test. | 15:25 |
| Swami | sure. | 15:26 |
| Swami | #link http://logs.openstack.org/68/143568/10/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr/e0f5bd8/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 15:27 |
| pc_m | Swami: thanks | 15:27 |
| Swami | I was consistently seeing these errors last night in most of the builds. | 15:28 |
| pc_m | :( | 15:28 |
| pc_m | So not creating the server for the test? | 15:28 |
| Swami | Any help from the Infra team to sort of such issues will be great. | 15:28 |
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| pc_m | anteaya: ping | 15:29 |
| Swami | pc_m: Yes it seems that what it says. | 15:29 |
| Swami | The dvr team will be working on making the dvr test voting. That would be our high priority as of now. Any help from the community and infra will be appreciated. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | That would be our high priority for this week. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | Swami: Thanks for the info. | 15:30 |
| Swami | That's all I had from the DVR side. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | Swami: Maybe we can reach out to Maru to see if he knows of people that can help from infra. | 15:31 |
| ihrachyshka | have you tried #openstack-infra? | 15:31 |
| Swami | pc_m: ok thanks will do | 15:31 |
| pc_m | ihrachyshka: +1 | 15:31 |
| Swami | I will try that IRC channel as well. | 15:31 |
| pc_m | It'll be a good start. | 15:32 |
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| pc_m | Any other topic people want to discuss or have questions on? | 15:32 |
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| ihrachyshka | I have smth. I want to kindly ask people to check my test_l3_agent refactoring series at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:split_ra_unit_tests,n,z It's a start to later add more coverage for ra.py. | 15:33 |
| pc_m | #topic L3 Refactoring | 15:33 |
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| ihrachyshka | it's currently in conflict with trunk reality :) but I'd like to hear if direction is ok before proceeding | 15:33 |
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| pc_m | ihrachyshka: Thanks. Please help Ihar out with reviewing this. | 15:35 |
| ihrachyshka | for now a brief review on direction is enough | 15:35 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks :) | 15:35 |
| pc_m | Anything more on L3 refactoring? | 15:36 |
| pc_m | Anything on IPAM? | 15:36 |
| ihrachyshka | pavel_bondar, ? | 15:36 |
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| pavel_bondar | Yeah, it would be nice if somebody took a look on current version of #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147479/ | 15:37 |
| * pc_m Thanks for helping with calling out people ihrachyshka! | 15:37 | |
| pc_m | #topic IPAM | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPAM (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:37 | |
| pavel_bondar | it is IPAM Driver Loader | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | ok, i will take a look today | 15:38 |
| pc_m | johnbelamaric: Thanks for helping! | 15:38 |
| tidwellr | I'll take a look as well | 15:38 |
| pc_m | tidwellr: ditto! | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148698/ | 15:39 |
| ihrachyshka | the last time I checked the interface definition was not mature. have you heard from carl on whether he'll update it in near future? | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | have we seen a reference driver from salv-orlando ? I know he has done a lot on it so far | 15:39 |
| pc_m | salv-orlando: ping | 15:39 |
| pavel_bondar | Also I got WIP code from Salvatore(Reference IPAM Driver) | 15:40 |
| pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150485/ It is in WIP status, investigating deeper with it | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | I saw this as well | 15:40 |
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| johnbelamaric | ok, good | 15:41 |
| pavel_bondar | I'll plan to provide next week some WIP version of re-factored db_base_plugin based on it | 15:42 |
| pc_m | pavel_bondar: great | 15:42 |
| pc_m | #action pavel_bondar to provide WIP version of re-factored db_base_plugin next week | 15:43 |
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| pc_m | pavel_bondar: Anything else on IPAM you care to bring up? | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | basic subnetpool CRUD is taking shape, still WIP but some more eyes on it would be great https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148698/ | 15:43 |
| pavel_bondar | that's it for now | 15:44 |
| pc_m | thanks for the update. | 15:44 |
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| pc_m | Anything else from the agenda that people want to discuss, before we go to open discussion? | 15:44 |
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| pc_m | #topic Open Discussion | 15:45 |
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| pc_m | amuller: hi | 15:46 |
| amuller | pc_m: Good morning | 15:46 |
| pc_m | We're almost done. Did you have anything you wanted to discuss for L3? | 15:46 |
| amuller | Nope! | 15:46 |
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| * pc_m Carl's not around today, so I'm feebly trying to fill in | 15:46 | |
| pc_m | Anyone have any other items to discuss? Otherwise we'll give back a few mins :) | 15:47 |
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| pc_m | OK. thanks for joining in everyone. If you have any other items, please use the IRC or ML and let Carl know. | 15:48 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 29 15:49:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-29-15.10.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-29-15.10.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-29-15.10.log.html | 15:49 |
| pc_m | bye all! | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | pc_m: thanks | 15:49 |
| pc_m | mlavalle: np | 15:49 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 29 16:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | hi all! | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hello/ | 16:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 16:00 |
| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| kaufer | hello! | 16:00 |
| etoews | 1 sec | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 16:02 |
| etoews | so we have a few topics i'd like to focus on this meeting rather than our usual agenda | 16:03 |
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| etoews | let's tackle the specs question first | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic openstack-specs | 16:03 |
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| etoews | i attended the cross-project meeting on tues. sigmavirus24 was there too. | 16:03 |
| etoews | the api wg is basically looking for more visibility for reviewing our guidelines | 16:04 |
| etoews | ttx had an interesting suggestion for us | 16:04 |
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| etoews | to quote ttx from an email to openstack-dev "keep the api-wg repository for the | 16:05 |
| etoews | various drafting stages, and move to openstack-specs when it's ready to | 16:05 |
| etoews | be "recommended" and request wider community comments. Think Draft and | 16:05 |
| etoews | RFC stages in the IETF process :)" | 16:05 |
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| etoews | there's been some further conversation on the ml about this | 16:06 |
| etoews | has everybody had a chance to read the ml thread? | 16:06 |
| etoews | take a minute to do so and let me know what you think | 16:06 |
| * elmiko rushes off to email | 16:06 | |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/055443.html | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: ^ | 16:07 |
| kaufer | I've read the ML replies, I share the same concerns as Sean about having multiple repos | 16:07 |
| edleafe | same here | 16:07 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I noticed just this week that a bunch of cross-project drivers started reviewing and -1'ing some of our proposals | 16:08 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: thanks! | 16:08 |
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| cdent | I think the visibility of new recommendations is a bigger deal than the repo aspect | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Humorous to me that everyone agreed to a separate repository though in the beginning and now wants it unified in one place | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i'm +1 for single repo, but i like the idea of separating the drafts from the guidelines | 16:08 |
| cdent | It's not clear that gerrit is really working as a place to discuss... | 16:08 |
| cdent | (discuss the drafts I mean) | 16:08 |
| etoews | cdent: how else would such discussion happen? | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i think we should create a template like is used for the project spec repos, and then have the discussions through the patches to the repo. very similiar to project specs now. | 16:09 |
| ryansb | also the merged/unmerged distinction is a great approved/draft distinction | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I think there are also some serious misconceptions around the documents the API-WG is producing as well that seem to continue to pop up | 16:10 |
| edleafe | cdent: that's pretty much how all other specs are discussed | 16:10 |
| elmiko | ryansb: +1 | 16:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | == ryansb | 16:10 |
| etoews | for reference | 16:10 |
| etoews | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-specs | 16:10 |
| etoews | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-specs/blob/master/template.rst | 16:10 |
| cdent | for sake of visibility I think email would be better. But basically I'm -1 on any non-code review happening in gerrit, so I'm probably just a grape in the path of progress. | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | etoews: i think we will need to customize the template, but details... | 16:10 |
| etoews | so i'm +1 for single repo too | 16:11 |
| elmiko | cdent: ack, but doesn't that go against the grain of how we review specs now? (for non-api-wg projects) | 16:11 |
| etoews | who is +1 for single repo? | 16:12 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:12 |
| kaufer | +1 | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | +1 | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: #vote maybe? | 16:13 |
| dtroyer | +1 | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | (so it's in the meeting notes) | 16:13 |
| edleafe | +1 | 16:13 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: i was thinking just use #agreed | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | ah, didn't realize that could be used outside a vote :) | 16:14 |
| etoews | cdent: ryansb: care to vote? | 16:14 |
| cdent | +1 | 16:14 |
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| cdent | elmiko: I think underlying this is that I don't think the api-wg guidelines are the same as specs... | 16:15 |
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| etoews | i think we've got consensus on that. | 16:15 |
| etoews | #agreed the api wg should only use a single repo | 16:15 |
| elmiko | cdent: ok, that makes a good deal of sense | 16:15 |
| etoews | now the question becomes which repo? | 16:15 |
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| cdent | elmiko: we keep using both terms guidelines and spec but that's not really the same thing. | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: what options do we have outside openstack-specs? | 16:16 |
| etoews | the current api-wg repo | 16:16 |
| elmiko | cdent: true, although i think the metaphor of specs can be applied to api-wg stuff, but you're correct it's not the same as a code spec. | 16:16 |
| etoews | also see #5 of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html | 16:16 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It's not the same definition of spec as is uses by projects but it is in a sense a spec. But I agree we should really avoid confusing language as much as possible | 16:17 |
| etoews | if we were to continue on in the api-wg repo, at some point in the future we supposed release an official version. | 16:17 |
| etoews | i'm not exactly sure what form that official version would take at this point. | 16:17 |
| ryansb | why not just a generated site from all the content in api-wg? | 16:18 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Regardless, having the discussions on the ML has been kind of worthless because people ignore the [api] tag who aren't already interested in the wg cdent | 16:18 |
| elmiko | etoews: maybe something like how some projects publish their apis to the spec repos? (eg keystone) | 16:18 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: +1 i avoid the word spec simply because it's already taken in openstack land. | 16:18 |
| ryansb | like writing-apis.openstack.org | 16:18 |
| etoews | elmiko: link? | 16:18 |
| elmiko | etoews: https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/master/api | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/ | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | so, if we're talking about guidelines as our official output, maybe instead of specs we should talk about guideline proposals? | 16:19 |
| etoews | don't we already effectively have that? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ | 16:19 |
| etoews | let's bring the discussion back to visibility | 16:21 |
| elmiko | etoews: hmm, maybe. i guess i was thinking more about how we contain the proposals and released guidelines in a single repo. perhaps i'm just missing a few details. | 16:21 |
| etoews | in the api-wg repo it seems we have to work harder to get review by affected projects. | 16:21 |
| etoews | would that be different in the openstack-specs repo? | 16:22 |
| cdent | This is the first meeting I've attended, basically because it's bad for my schedule (I'm in a video conference right now too), but the impression I get from the reviews is that much of the interesting discussion happens during this meeting. That is very bad for visibility and diversity of input. | 16:22 |
| etoews | simply by virture that it is a blessed repo | 16:22 |
| etoews | cdent: i know what you mean. | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I have email notifications for the api-wg repository set-up so I always review the guidelines as they're proposed etc. | 16:23 |
| elmiko | same | 16:23 |
| etoews | same but i speculate the CPLs don't | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | I never set up notifications for anything with APIImpact though which was the other part of this group's mission | 16:23 |
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| etoews | APIImpact seems to be well adopted but there's too much for us to review! | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: right, and the thing is, I don't need notifications for everything in openstack-specs, so if we were to work there, would a separate branch be outside the realm of possibility? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | etoews: probably true, but isn't that what the liasons are supposed to be for =) | 16:24 |
| etoews | and not many merged guidelines to reveiw against | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | I also find it hard to believe that there would be more constructive review of our guidelines on openstack-specs rather than what we're seeing now which is a bunch of -1s because the proposed guideline is too radically different from the current state of affairs | 16:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | Which stems from people thinking that they'll be expected to immediately implement these changes because they never followed the ML threads about proposing how to upgrade | 16:25 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: i don't think number of email notifications should be a driver for this decision | 16:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: but there is a difference between overall specs (logging, etc.) and the guidelines we're proposing | 16:26 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: true | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | having them on the same branch will probably overload more than just us | 16:26 |
| elmiko | i think it's a good point about watching a repo and wanting to filter only some of the content there | 16:26 |
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| etoews | we would need a subsection or branch or something if we were in openstack-specs | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | We don't currently have a lot of proposals or other information generated from ours, but we could quickly add a lot more volume up on openstack-specs which will undoubtedly annoy people | 16:26 |
| elmiko | i'd like to think it would make it easier for participation if it's contained in a separate api-wg repo | 16:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: yeah, that's more my point | 16:27 |
| etoews | there must be other text we could filter on to only see specs relevant to us | 16:27 |
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| cdent | I think that its own repo is more likely to enable efficient discussion, but at the cost of visibility. | 16:27 |
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| cdent | I think we can probably figure out how to deal with visibility in some other way. | 16:28 |
| etoews | cdent: that's the tradeoff i see | 16:28 |
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| cdent | (such as making explicit invitations to certain reviews on the mailing list, more often) | 16:28 |
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| etoews | basically do a better job of reaching out and pulling in relevant reviewers. | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: I think you overestimate the usefulness of asking for review on a high-traffic list like -dev because even then I've seen little participation from the people whose feedback we seek the most | 16:29 |
| cdent | yes | 16:29 |
| elmiko | would it be possible to have the api-wg as a submodule of openstack-specs? | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | It seems most efficient to find people on irc and ping them directly | 16:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: I'm not sure it would track well and I don't think it would contribute to visibility. We'd also need a bot to update the submodule each time a guideline is merged | 16:30 |
| etoews | elmiko: i dunno | 16:30 |
| cdent | sigmavirus24: I agree that it is likely a fruitless task, but if we want to make the appearance of inclusivity then the mailing list is the only one that transcends membership in cliques and existing in certain time zones | 16:30 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: ahh, yea. that seems like a lose | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | And that bot would quickly become more annoying than the OpenStack proposal bot | 16:30 |
| etoews | i do know that i'm not crazy about submodules | 16:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: the problem is, I don't want the appearance, I want the actuality | 16:31 |
| cdent | good luck getting that in openstack sigmavirus24 :) | 16:31 |
| edleafe | :q | 16:31 |
| edleafe | ugh | 16:31 |
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| sigmavirus24 | edleafe: we are not vim. we are emacs ;) | 16:31 |
| elmiko | uh-oh... | 16:31 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus24: wash your mouth out! | 16:31 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:31 |
| * sigmavirus24 uses both in reality =P | 16:32 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Okay we're half-way through, should we move on to other topics? | 16:32 |
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| etoews | maybe... | 16:33 |
| dtroyer | last thought: keep in mind that this group is still relatively young, it takes some time to build the awareness of what we're doing | 16:33 |
| cdent | dtroyer++ | 16:33 |
| cdent | there's definitely been an upswing in participation from "others" in the very recent past | 16:33 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: good point | 16:33 |
| etoews | dtroyer: good point. i'm highly conscious of that in many respects. what we're doing right now is making early design decisions. | 16:34 |
| etoews | we'll likely be stuck with the consequences of these decisions for some time. | 16:34 |
| etoews | which makes me cautious. maybe overly cautious... | 16:34 |
| etoews | there needs to be action here. | 16:35 |
| etoews | continue the discussion on the ml? | 16:35 |
| dtroyer | wfm | 16:35 |
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| ryansb | +1 | 16:35 |
| cdent | +1 | 16:35 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:36 |
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| kaufer | +1 | 16:36 |
| etoews | #action etoews to kickoff a discussion to continue the question of which repo on the ml | 16:36 |
| etoews | #topic swift | 16:36 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | just in time, it looks | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | :) | 16:37 |
| etoews | so notmyname had some valid concerns in that review | 16:37 |
| etoews | thoughts? | 16:38 |
| miguelgrinberg | I have been thinking about the last review form notmyname, it has valid points, but swift has so many differences that I don't see how to combine their needs with the rest | 16:38 |
| etoews | that's my feeling too | 16:38 |
| etoews | "...with the REST" | 16:38 |
| miguelgrinberg | I can think of ways to change swift to accomodate what we are proposing, but they are not going to like it | 16:38 |
| etoews | nor would client devs | 16:38 |
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| miguelgrinberg | it seems this metadata in the headers idea came from aws | 16:39 |
| miguelgrinberg | they also do that | 16:39 |
| ryansb | yeah, it did | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i tend to agree with miguelgrinberg's point about the "metadata" object. on the second point, i think it would be helpful to have an example, i'm a little confused. | 16:39 |
| miguelgrinberg | I personally don't like it, but notmyname feels pretty strongly about not changing that | 16:39 |
| ryansb | but it actually is a nice solution to the object metadata problems | 16:39 |
| cdent | I'm surprised that "we" feel it necessary to formalize metadata handling. | 16:40 |
| ryansb | I agree w/ notmyname about not having metadata attrs require another HTTP call | 16:40 |
| cdent | Or rather, it's surprising that's high on the list of priorities. | 16:40 |
| cdent | also given that swift follows no other rules, why would we require them to follow these? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | is John == notmyname? | 16:41 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: not sure it is high, I think it was me that found high discrepancies between APIs, so I proposed we look at it | 16:41 |
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| dtroyer | elmiko: yes | 16:41 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: ty | 16:41 |
| etoews | cdent: i believe it came up when a service (cinder?) decided they needed metadata | 16:41 |
| * salv-orlando agrees with cdent's point on swift | 16:42 | |
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| etoews | we were hoping to use that as an opportunity to get some consistency | 16:42 |
| ryansb | who *doesn't* need metadata | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | cdent: i'm curious, do you think we shouldn't be attempting to create a guideline for metadata? (or maybe it should be lower prio) | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | ryansb: the NSA doesn't | 16:43 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:43 |
| ryansb | yeah, but they sure do want it. | 16:43 |
| etoews | cdent: i know what you mean. so one way to deal with this is put an asterix by swift saying they aren't subject to certain guidelines | 16:43 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think it is going to be an uphill battle to make APIs consistent, we all tend to resist change | 16:44 |
| elmiko | etoews: not sure we need an asterisk, isn't our position that these are guidelines not mandates? | 16:44 |
| cdent | elmiko: I think making guidelines for representations is a bit odd. I think it is more important to guide that representations be transported correctly. | 16:44 |
| etoews | true | 16:44 |
| kaufer | So, IMO, this discussion relates to the purpose of our guidelines. Are they to force all to adopt (I don't believe so) do they exist to help mold future APIs into a consistent state? | 16:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: find the discussion I had on the topic with notmyname two days ago on openstack-dev | 16:44 |
| cdent | To put it another way we should guide the HTTP headers more than we should guide the bodies. | 16:44 |
| edleafe | I think we should try to create a best-practice on metadata, but of course, we can't force swift or anyone else to change to match it | 16:44 |
| salv-orlando | edleafe: agreed | 16:45 |
| cdent | Things like collection handling is relevant, and things like sorting, sure, but resource design is hard to generalize. | 16:45 |
| etoews | kaufer: mold | 16:45 |
| elmiko | cdent: thanks, that makes it much clearer and good food for thought. | 16:45 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: ack, ty | 16:45 |
| ryansb | yeah, but this spec isn't (IMO) quite ready to be a best practice for metadata because it doesn't handle concurrent object+metadata creation | 16:45 |
| cdent | kaufer++ I think we should be setting aspirational guidelines | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: I'm not sure I agree but I'm also not sure that disagreement is especially relevant righ tnow | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | ryansb: if I remember correctly we couldn't even reach consensus on play object creation | 16:47 |
| etoews | to me this is also tangled up with versioning. seems everytime we propose a guideline that doesn't match a particular service, someone will cry foul. | 16:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: I did not include it in the spec, but metadata should also be accessible as a field in the resource | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't think we even came close to discussion concurrent creation of object+metadata | 16:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: does that satisfy your requirement of setting metdata along with the obj? | 16:47 |
| edleafe | etoews: of course - that's to be expected | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: that's my instinctual reaction to all of this as well | 16:47 |
| dtroyer | etoews: that's when we repeat the mantra and move on | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | perhaps I should just write a guideline for adoption | 16:47 |
| etoews | if we could point them at a versioning strategy that everyone can agree on then we'd have an answer for that | 16:47 |
| ryansb | as long as I can use 1 request to create the object and its metadata I'm happy | 16:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: are we planning something to educate teams at the summit? | 16:48 |
| dtroyer | getting bogged down in this ever time is not productive | 16:48 |
| edleafe | etoews: but that shouldn't stop anyone from saying "this is the preferred way to do it" | 16:48 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: that's a cool idea | 16:48 |
| ryansb | miguelgrinberg: that would work, definitely include that bit | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | and try to get more people involved on the ML discussion about moving towards adoption of the guidelines through API versions | 16:48 |
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| etoews | dtroyer: we should come to an agreement on the mantra | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews + miguelgrinberg should do a co-presentation at the summit on the API-WG and it's goals | 16:48 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: i'll definitely be proposing to the design summit | 16:48 |
| elmiko | etoews: i'm on the bandwagon with regards to us keeping consistent about creating a set of useful guidelines | 16:48 |
| dtroyer | "these are guidelines, not prescriptions. please, no wagering" | 16:49 |
| dtroyer | except maybe for that last part | 16:49 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: +1 | 16:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | so I proposed a session to give my views on the openstack API design | 16:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | I was thinking more along the lines of describing what the API-WG does | 16:49 |
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| miguelgrinberg | happy to propose one on that with others. | 16:50 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: +1 | 16:50 |
| kaufer | miguelgrinberg: +1 ... there seems to be confusion that the "guidelines" are rules that all must adpot instead of best practices that is used to help guide future API developent | 16:50 |
| etoews | do we need to come up with an official mantra/mission statement on the ML to make sure everybody gets it? | 16:50 |
| elmiko | kaufer: we need to clean that messaging up | 16:50 |
| elmiko | etoews: i think so | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: yeah, and also people worry about not being in compliance with the guidelines | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: the thing is we've been messaging that since the start (as far as I recall) and people misunderstand because they don't have time to read the docs on that | 16:51 |
| elmiko | etoews: and that mantra should be clear on the wiki as well | 16:51 |
| etoews | yep | 16:51 |
| dtroyer | miguelgrinberg: that's a worry we should not remove, but set it at an appropriate level. we want people to think about it | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think the ideal would be to get people from all projects actively involved | 16:52 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: fair, we will always have some that miss the message, i guess we just need to be dilligent | 16:52 |
| miguelgrinberg | so we need to sell ourselves to the teams | 16:52 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: gotta have something catchy ;) | 16:52 |
| etoews | #action etoews to start api wg mission statement discussion on the ML | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah. I think we should also be tagging our messages as [all] when we want other people's feedback because some may think [api] is specific to the group and they can/should skip it | 16:53 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think to some, it seems we come up wtih some arbitrary rules in a vacuum and try to push them into all the projects | 16:53 |
| etoews | it would have to be 2-3 sentences max | 16:53 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: good idea | 16:53 |
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| * sigmavirus24 is guilty of not using [all] | 16:53 | |
| dtroyer | etoews: 140 chars would be awesome | 16:53 |
| elmiko | maybe we need some stickers for summit? help get the message out, WE ARE NOT THE API POLICE! | 16:53 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: ya. i'm starting to get the sense that [api] is a bit cliquey. | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I know I filter by tag and read the ones I care about most first and the rest later if I have time (which is rare) | 16:54 |
| miguelgrinberg | REST police sounds better =P | 16:54 |
| elmiko | lol yes | 16:54 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: same boat | 16:54 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: same | 16:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: RESTful police ++ | 16:55 |
| etoews | #topic open topics | 16:55 |
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| sigmavirus24 | As long as we're not the HATEOASBI | 16:55 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:55 |
| etoews | anything else to highlight? | 16:55 |
| etoews | i do think a version guideline will be one of the first things we need to come up with | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: you say that to enrage me, I know it | 16:56 |
| etoews | it will help teams know there is a path forward | 16:56 |
| elmiko | etoews: agreed | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | clear steps for projects that have implementations not blessed by the API-WG would be helpful | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | so silly idea: what if we have a proposed and finalized subdirectory for stuff? | 16:57 |
| etoews | elmiko: btw, did you see the email from max lincoln about swagger for openstack projects? | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | As in stuff is finalized once we have the TC's approval, etc | 16:57 |
| * notmyname just got online this morning and saw his name | 16:57 | |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: is "blessing" the business this group is in? ;) | 16:57 |
| etoews | notmyname: 3 minutes to go! | 16:57 |
| elmiko | etoews: yes, i need to reply | 16:57 |
| notmyname | :-) | 16:57 |
| etoews | :) | 16:57 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: i'm not a fan of that style | 16:57 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: there you go, it should be clear what we do | 16:58 |
| notmyname | etoews: I'd be happy to pick it up in a different channel | 16:58 |
| kaufer | sigmavirus24: wouldn't 'proposed' be things under review in gerrit and 'finalizaed' be what is merged? | 16:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: elmiko "silly idea" | 16:58 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: lol gotcha. we tried something similar in sahara and just refactored it out | 16:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | A way to get people to not overreact to proposals under going review because we had already described the process as needing approval by the TC once we have some strong set of guidelines anyway | 16:58 |
| elmiko | too much work to maintain | 16:59 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: kaufer: under #5 of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html we need to figure out what form "official version" takes | 16:59 |
| etoews | but i think that's a ways down the road | 16:59 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 29 17:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-29-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-29-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-29-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| etoews | thank you so much everybody. | 17:00 |
| elmiko | etoews: tnx! | 17:00 |
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| kaufer | etoews: thx! | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: mageshgv Yi: hi there | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
| Yi | hello | 18:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 18:00 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:01 |
| banix | hi everybody | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 29 18:01:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will discuss kilo plan and milestone as an agenda items, but prior to that I dont have any milestone related announcements | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything anyone wants to share in terms info/announcements to the team? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Jan_29th.2C_2015 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we went through some of the major bugs last week | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | a couple of more have been added to that, and mageshgv has fixed another | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: hi | 18:03 |
| yapeng | hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the meta-comment i had was that to request you to look at the assigned bugs | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most bugs have a milestone date | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if a bug is assigned to you and is targeted for k1, please confirm that you can fix it | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | else move it to a later milestone | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for bugs which are more open ended we have a “next” milestone | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so use you judgements | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | *judgement | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: hi | 18:05 |
| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we determine that the bug is high priority we cannot defer it to too long though | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently we dont have any critical bug | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *bugs | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | currently i think all of the k1 server side bugs are assigned to myself, rkukura, ivar-lazzaro, and mageshgv | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also please make a call whether a particular fix needs to be backported | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if so please assign the “juno-backport-potential” tag | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once the fix merges, please cherry-pick the fix to the stable/juno branch | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | questions/comments? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging Update | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging Update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you have some good news to report, right? ;-) | 18:10 |
| rkukura | yes | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | At least I think this is since last meeting | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:11 |
| rkukura | The GBP packages are now in the official RDO yum repositories | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yay! | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | nice! | 18:11 |
| rkukura | This means running “yum install \*gbp\*” will install all of them on top of an existing RDO setup. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet! thats much easier | 18:12 |
| banix | cool! | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I plan to do some testing and then update the RDO wiki page as soon as I get a chance. | 18:12 |
| Yi | very cool | 18:12 |
| KrishnaK | rkukura: great! Also thanks for your help this AM. Iam continuing my setup testing (centos ) ... | 18:12 |
| rkukura | This should support Fedora 20 and 21, as well as RHEL 7 and CentOS 7. | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: thanks for your perseverance on this, you are the only person at this time that i know off who has dared to start testing on CentOS, so the team needs to really thank you here! :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: cool | 18:14 |
| rkukura | Next steps are to start supporting GBP in the puppet scripts and Red Hat’s packstack and foreman installers. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the issues which KrishnaK has ran into (gbpautomation), that is CentOS-specific, or its his setup specific? | 18:14 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK: Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the issue was that the default packstack configuration did not install heat, so restarting it with GBP failed because it wasn’t configured. | 18:15 |
| KrishnaK | rkukura: yes. thx. | 18:16 |
| rkukura | I’ll add a note about this to the RDO GBP wiki as well. | 18:16 |
| rkukura | That it for RDO. | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point about the installer | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *installers | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is that a long process too, to get a patch in? | 18:17 |
| rkukura | I’ve never directly worked on upstreaming puppet patches, but that may take some time | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, is it an ongoing thing, or they have milestones and freezes too? | 18:17 |
| rkukura | Would be good to get someone with puppet experience involved, and I think SumitNaiksatam may have someone in mind. | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: I am not volunteering myself :-) | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but yeah we need to discuss offline | 18:18 |
| rkukura | I don’t think upstream puppet is tied to OpenStack release cadence. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anyone else wanting to jump in on this and help out is welcome | 18:19 |
| rkukura | If anyone on the team wants to take this on, please speak up! | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: +1 | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if someone wants to jump in on this, you will be able to connect them to the right set of folks and pointers in terms of the process to follow? | 18:20 |
| rkukura | I’m happy to advice and help, but I’m focusing on upstream neutron work right now, plus some GBP bug fixing, etc. | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, my question was more whether we know the process | 18:21 |
| s3wong | sorry, late | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: seems like you know it | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi, np | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | noticed songole joined earlier too, hi! | 18:21 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’ve observed it through team meetings etc., back at Red Hat, but never involved directly with puppet or packstack. | 18:21 |
| songole | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i think that should be good to get us started | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay any other questions for rkukura on the fedora and RDO? | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: BIG thanks on behalf of the entire team for working on this and getting this into RDO! | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | on the ubuntu packaging | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv ran into an issue when installing the group-based-policy-automation package in his setup | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | he investigated and found out why it happens | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for that | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are still working on what the right solution for this | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | depending on which ubuntu packages you have installed, you may or may not run into that issue | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please ping mageshgv or me if you run into it and need a solution (while we are trying to fix this correctly) | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: anything you wanted to add on that? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok next topic | 18:25 |
| mageshgv | Basically we will run into this problem if we have pbr version <0.10.7 | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ah okay | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Proposed Kilo Plan and Milestones | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-gbp-plan | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have been gathering feedback after the release, and to some extent discusssing in this meeting as well | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the plan above is based on pretty much everyone’s input (and the issues we have logged in launchpad) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is a kind of a guiding plan | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will adapt as we go along | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please provide your feedback | 18:28 |
| rkukura | I think we need to explicitly list tempest tests and CI | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:29 |
| rkukura | I see GBP Test Plan and CI now, so OK | 18:29 |
| rkukura | was looking for the word “tempest” | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah but we could add “tempest tests” as a separate item | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah we could add that explicitly | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i agree | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think that is one are where we would need to work collectively as a team | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | add coverage in tempest for the entire project cannot be done by one or two people | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *adding | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will start by identifying one or two people, and they can guide the rest of the team here | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you are interested in participating in this, please ping me | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | given that we planning to add more features, i think this is the most critical area of the project that needs attention so that we dont introduce regressions | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | well even before we add features, we will be doing a bunch of refactoring | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | do people have questions on the specific line items mentioned in the plan? | 18:33 |
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| Yi | for the l4-7 classifiers -- do you have more details? | 18:34 |
| yapeng | I have question about DB change and REST API changes. | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will take Yi’s question first | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yes, LouisF has posted a spec on that | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-specs+branch:master,n,z | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: the above has all the specs currently in review | 18:36 |
| Yi | ok | 18:36 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: i's like to have those specs reviewed | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: :-) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: so Yi should look at the “GBP Classifier Extensions” spec? | 18:37 |
| Yi | sure | 18:37 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam, Yi : yes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is nicolas here? | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | he was planning to do some investigation on the ODL side to see how this could be implemented | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is partly the reason that is holding this up | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we need to have some level of validation that we are able to realize it | 18:39 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: don't think there is any DPI project on ODL as of yet | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hmmm | 18:39 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: but that tons of projects are being proposed, so I probably have missed it | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah, we had this discussion a few months back, seems like you are saying that not much has changed since | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is part of the reason i put this in the second milestone so that we can some more time to investigate | 18:40 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: not that I am aware of, but then again, I have NOT being attending or catching up with the TSC meetings | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: any chance that you can touch base with nicolas on this? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: np | 18:41 |
| yapeng | is the ODL the only option to implement this? | 18:41 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: i will contact him reagrds the odl support for dpi | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: no, not saying that | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: i brought it up because that was the option that nicolas mentioned he was going to explore | 18:41 |
| s3wong | yapeng: no, but we need a reference implementation | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that no one has proposed anything | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: thanks | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: back to your question | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: you were asking about DB and REST server? | 18:42 |
| yapeng | my question is that: DB change seems have big impact on many things, how to resolve the dependencies of all the other feature developed in parallel? | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: yeah, good question | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in fact this is true for the entire refactor | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets decide as as team as to whats the most non-disruptive path | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have some ideas | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so specifically regarding the DB | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the critical change that we need to make is to remove the foreign key constraints | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | foreing key constraints to the neutron tables that is | 18:46 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: is upgrade from GBP Juno to GBP Kilo an item to consider also on this? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: good point :-) | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we will have to make some hard decisions there | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: one of the stated goals of the Juno release was that we are making it available to users to get their feedback, so changes should be expected | 18:47 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: that | 18:47 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: In place of the foriegn key constraints, is the idea to consume notifications from neutron and cleanup related GBP resources if something is deleted in neutron? | 18:47 |
| s3wong | that's fair (sorry, accidentally hit "enter") | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said, we will gauge who is using it, and how much impact it has, and based on that decide the most effective strategy | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will definitely strive to minimize pain | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good question, the point about concurrently using the Neutron API is tricky in itself (as we have discussed before) | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the approach that you mention is certainly worth considering | 18:50 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: what approach? | 18:51 |
| rkukura | s3wong: replacing the FK constraints with cleanup based on notifications from neutron | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: so if someone cleans up a port on the neutron side, clean up the PT of the GBP side | 18:51 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: OK | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and do this by consuming the port delete notification from Neutron | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this happens today based on the FK constraints | 18:52 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: does Neutron have all the notification on things we care about (port, subnet, router, SG, SG rules...)? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and all that wil have to be implemented in the code when we decouple | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, for all CRUD operations for all resources | 18:53 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: good | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the issue obviously is that if the PT deletion fails for some reason, then we are left in an inconsistent state | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or if we lose the notification | 18:53 |
| rkukura | Hopefully we’ll be able to work through these kinds of details in reviewing specs for kilo. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:54 |
| rkukura | which means getting the spec written ;) | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 18:54 |
| Yi | Sumit, rkukura: the notification is coming from API, or from mechanism driver? | 18:55 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so the notification comes as the API is invoked? Or as the operation is completed (i.e., the Neutron port is deleted)? | 18:55 |
| rkukura | as I recall, there are start and end notifications | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: s3wong the notification comes on an AMQP topic | 18:56 |
| s3wong | rkukura: oh, OK | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Do they exist for any resource? Or just ports? | 18:56 |
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| banix | all resourcces | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: my earlier point, it used to be for all resources, unless something has changed | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the API handling code had the notifications built it | 18:57 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: Ports have additional notifications for specific state changes to be consumed by nova | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay we have a couple of mins | 18:58 |
| rkukura | and/or by firewall (SG) driver/agent | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good dicussion | 18:58 |
| yapeng | neutron has these kinds of notification existing today? | 18:58 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: with this, does it mean that our policy drivers no longer need to have the GBP ML2 driver? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to have a lot more of that on these topics | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: I see. thanks for the clarification | 18:58 |
| banix | yes, ceilometer for example uses them I believe (not to mention nova) | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i was trying to look up the code, but github is not responding | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: no, that is independent | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: perfect, thats where it started | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: I guess it depends on what your ML2 driver' role is. For instance, if you use it to bind a special ML2 network type you may still need one | 18:59 |
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| rkukura | s3wong: one potential risk is that the ml2 driver and policy driver will now be in separate processes, but may need some coordination, but that shouldn’t be too difficult, and is not that different from cases where neutron-server is replicated. | 19:00 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro, SumitNaiksatam: I see. The reason I asked is that one of the function of the GBP ML2 driver seems to be get notified for port state changes | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: rkukura s3wong: good points | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are min over time | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can take this to #openstack-gbp | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for attending | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: obviously a great topic to discuss :-) | 19:01 |
| banix | bye | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thank | 19:01 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:01 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| yapeng | bye | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 29 19:01:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-29-18.01.html | 19:02 |
| Yi | l8r | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-29-18.01.txt | 19:02 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-29-18.01.log.html | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:02 |
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| mattgriffin | HA Guide meeting starting in 5 minutes :) Agenda added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting and our etherpad. Please add any other items. | 20:55 |
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| mattgriffin | Hello HA Guide update team | 21:00 |
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| mattgriffin | hi nickchase | 21:00 |
| nickchase | Hi, mattgriffin | 21:01 |
| nickchase | how goes? | 21:01 |
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| mattgriffin | nickchase, going well. almost friday | 21:01 |
| clouddon | hi all. logging in from mobile, responses might be bumpy | 21:02 |
| nickchase | thank goodness. :) | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, hello! | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | today's agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:02 |
| nickchase | Hey, clouddon! | 21:02 |
| megm | Hello, HA Guide update team! | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, i'll type out... | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm, hello! | 21:02 |
| clouddon | haha | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | agenda | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | 1. Bug bash results | 21:02 |
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| mattgriffin | 2. Next steps - triage the open bugs and possible assignment of bugs | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | 3. Update on getting added to the OpenStack Calendar. Thanks Sriram! | 21:03 |
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| mattgriffin | shall we get started? | 21:03 |
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| clouddon | the for typing. my place asure | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | igordcard, hello and bye killer_prince | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, np :) | 21:03 |
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| mattgriffin | ok... #1 results from last week's Bug Bash | 21:04 |
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| igordcard | oh, hello all | 21:04 |
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| mattgriffin | thanks to clouddon for organizing. we went from 8 to 25 bugs | 21:04 |
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| clouddon | yay! | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | if you'd like to keep on bashing, tips from clouddon at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Bug_Bash help | 21:05 |
| clouddon | the for participating, matt n Shamail. | 21:06 |
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| mattgriffin | yeah... i need to do keep finding more bugs... just the tip of the iceberg | 21:06 |
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| mattgriffin | but shouldn't stop anyone from triaging (the next item on the agenda) | 21:07 |
| clouddon | yes. ofcourse | 21:07 |
| mattgriffin | as well as fixing some of these | 21:07 |
| clouddon | I have some cycles tomorrow to triage | 21:07 |
| clouddon | unless someone already did it/ does it | 21:08 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, cool. i should be reporting some tomorrow as well | 21:08 |
| clouddon | for foxing, if its OK, I'd like to pick up bugs in chapter 1 | 21:08 |
| clouddon | Intro chapter | 21:09 |
| clouddon | OK with folks? | 21:09 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 21:09 |
| nickchase | +1 | 21:09 |
| nickchase | Before we go deep into bugs, can I ask a quick question? | 21:09 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, sure | 21:09 |
| clouddon | gr8. | 21:09 |
| clouddon | sure | 21:09 |
| nickchase | thanks. What I would like to know is... | 21:09 |
| nickchase | the scale of what we're doing. Are we just "fixing" the current doc, or is there a plan to change/enhance the structure? | 21:10 |
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| clouddon | one of the bugs is on that | 21:10 |
| clouddon | Dont have bug I'd now. but can fwd via email | 21:10 |
| nickchase | this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1211332 | 21:11 |
| clouddon | we can revisit the organization and structure | 21:11 |
| nickchase | I'm not advocating either way | 21:11 |
| nickchase | just asking what we're focusing on | 21:11 |
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| nickchase | we're going to pull in some Mirantis people to help | 21:11 |
| nickchase | and I wanted to make sure that they were working on the right thing | 21:12 |
| clouddon | no, I filed another one | 21:12 |
| clouddon | gr8. thats awesome. pl look st open ones | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, good question... | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, i would like to get to some larger scale structural changes like we've captured on the etherpad | 21:13 |
| nickchase | Great. Remind me of the link? | 21:13 |
| mattgriffin | but in the few bugs that i've filed, it's more about incorrect or outdated content | 21:13 |
| nickchase | sure, makes sense. | 21:13 |
| nickchase | It's likely that anything that's getting used enough that we notice it's wrong would go into any new structure anyway. | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | yeah | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | so i think a good focus for now is to fix a lot of the incorrect info and then we'll be ready to restructure. | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | anyone else have a view? | 21:15 |
| clouddon | +1 | 21:15 |
| nickchase | +1 | 21:16 |
| clouddon | it if someone hasvpeoposal for new or betterr structure pl propose | 21:16 |
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| megm | I have a question | 21:16 |
| clouddon | sorry for typos. I meant to say, pl propose while we fix current issues | 21:17 |
| megm | where should this doc begin? Should it assume an already-deployed multil-node OpenStack environment or should it start with how to deploy an HA environment? | 21:17 |
| nickchase | I think we need to start with deploying an HA environment | 21:18 |
| nickchase | I mean, if you don't have the right foundation you can't MAKE it HA, can you? | 21:18 |
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| megm | So this would essentially replace the current Installation Guide? | 21:19 |
| nickchase | No, no, I would think it would supplement it | 21:19 |
| nickchase | Like, "follow the instructions in the Install Guide, but here are the things you should do differently" | 21:20 |
| nickchase | but that's just a thought on my part | 21:20 |
| clouddon | we're providonig instructions to setup HA. this would need multi nodes. | 21:20 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, how is HA addressed in the Install Guide? | 21:20 |
| nickchase | it's not. | 21:20 |
| mattgriffin | ha | 21:20 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 21:20 |
| nickchase | The install guide... | 21:20 |
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| nickchase | its purely focused on getting the reasder to the piint where they can fire up Horizon launch an instance and log into it | 21:20 |
| nickchase | that's it. | 21:20 |
| nickchase | Not that the other services aren't covered | 21:21 |
| nickchase | but that's the philiosophy | 21:21 |
| nickchase | because it's recognized that... | 21:21 |
| nickchase | all cases are different. For example, if you're doing HA, you have specific concerns. | 21:21 |
| nickchase | So I suppose if the instructions are significantly different, it makes sense to duplicate. | 21:21 |
| nickchase | well, replace, not duplicate. | 21:22 |
| clouddon | theoretically install guise should have chapter on ha. in future may be | 21:22 |
| nickchase | Well, it'd be good to cover it in the install guide, but could it really be covered in a chapter? | 21:23 |
| nickchase | And if so, why do we need a whole manual? :) | 21:23 |
| clouddon | note theoretically :) | 21:23 |
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| clouddon | for now, we should treat install guide for default vaetups. more advanced, specific needs of HA are met with this | 21:24 |
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| nickchase | +1 | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, ack ... then, as nickchase suggested, we probably need an HA deployment example at the beginning of the HA Guide | 21:26 |
| megm | So does the HA setup say "Do this, this, and this following instructions in <link-to-specific-section-of-install-guide>? | 21:26 |
| megm | And then add a couple steps that are HA-specific, then more steps from install guide? | 21:26 |
| nickchase | right now it's interesting because... | 21:27 |
| nickchase | the HA guide basically says, "these are the pieces that you need to do an HA cluster, and here's you install/deal with each of those individually". | 21:27 |
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| nickchase | It's educational in that... | 21:27 |
| clouddon | no. we only say ass these things to make service s HA. don't refer back to install gyide | 21:27 |
| clouddon | correct. +1 nick | 21:28 |
| nickchase | it shows clearly that there's no such thing as "the OpenStack software". It's really a bunch of different packages/programs/etc. There's no specific database/queuing system/etc. that you need to use to underpin all of this. | 21:28 |
| nickchase | Until I started working on the guide I never realized that. | 21:28 |
| nickchase | and it's important that that's clear. | 21:28 |
| clouddon | megm, I think this is larger debate. plz file a bug to this effect. let's triage it based on priority and resources | 21:29 |
| nickchase | I think that's really part of the document structure question. | 21:30 |
| megm | Okay -- I was just curious about what exactly we meant by supplementing the Install Guide | 21:30 |
| nickchase | Would anybody mind if I took a look at the structure, potentially with megm? | 21:30 |
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| nickchase | it's probably the area where I can be of most assistance here. I never did get Galera running properly. :) | 21:31 |
| clouddon | megm ways ur email. I can follow up on structure | 21:31 |
| megm | mmcroberts@mirantis.com | 21:31 |
| clouddon | nick. sorry misread. plz go ahead | 21:31 |
| nickchase | :) thank you. mine is nchase@mirantis.com, so please include me? We'll take a look, me and megm. | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | should we dedicate the next meeting to that topic? | 21:32 |
| nickchase | works for me. | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | and start an email thread - matt.griffin@percona.com | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 21:33 |
| clouddon | works | 21:33 |
| clouddon | let's do hangout:) | 21:33 |
| megm | Works for me. | 21:33 |
| mattgriffin | great... so agenda is set of the next meeting. any other important topics to discuss now? | 21:33 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, hangout +1 | 21:33 |
| megm | Those of you who have been working on this -- does that seem like a good next step? | 21:34 |
| clouddon | yes. no more agenda from.me today | 21:34 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i think we should still identify and fix poor content but never hurts to make progress on a structural change | 21:34 |
| nickchase | +1 | 21:35 |
| nickchase | we definitely need to fix content problems | 21:35 |
| megm | +1 | 21:35 |
| clouddon | matt, action items? | 21:35 |
| clouddon | we're running out of time | 21:35 |
| mattgriffin | ack... 1. start an discussion about content structure | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | 2. Add hangout URL to the agenda for next week on the wiki page | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | 3. continue to find and triage content bugs | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | any others? | 21:36 |
| clouddon | no | 21:37 |
| mattgriffin | if not... thanks for your time all. have a great day! | 21:37 |
| nickchase | Thanks, all! | 21:37 |
| megm | Thanks! | 21:37 |
| clouddon | the, bye all. nice meeting u megm | 21:37 |
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