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| annegentle | anyone here for the doc team meeting? | 15:00 |
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| annegentle | hi klevenstein | 15:01 |
| annegentle | I'll get started | 15:01 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 15:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 15:01 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 15:01 |
| annegentle | agenda has been updated since I emailed, so let's get started | 15:01 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:02 | |
| annegentle | I met with alexadamov and reported back to the mailing list. | 15:02 |
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| annegentle | So we now have Install Guide backing for Debian, he's setting up a test bed. | 15:03 |
| annegentle | Looks like Alex isn't here, so I'll try to get an update from him on how that's going offline. (It's a bit late for his timezone I think). | 15:03 |
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| annegentle | that's it for action items | 15:03 |
| annegentle | #topic Specialty team reports | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty team reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:03 | |
| annegentle | Anyone here from training? too early for Sean R for sure :) | 15:04 |
| annegentle | I know that the stable/juno branch is now done for the training-guides repo | 15:04 |
| annegentle | woops I mean stable/icehouse | 15:04 |
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| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/training-guides/tree/stable/icehouse | 15:04 |
| annegentle | How about ha-guide, anything to report? | 15:05 |
| annegentle | #info HA Guide team meeting Thursdays at 21:00 UTC, #openstack-meeting-3 | 15:06 |
| annegentle | join them if you're interested | 15:06 |
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| annegentle | Anyone from the Security team? | 15:06 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149056/ | 15:07 |
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| annegentle | one outstanding review that handles six bugs | 15:07 |
| annegentle | for the security guide | 15:07 |
| annegentle | Okay, anyone from the Networking team? | 15:08 |
| annegentle | I know Matt (Sam-I-Am) is stuck on a bus | 15:08 |
| klevenstein | We just arrived at the castle | 15:08 |
| annegentle | ok cool | 15:08 |
| annegentle | The Networking team will meet again this week | 15:09 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Networking_Guide_Update_Meeting | 15:09 |
| annegentle | Another note for subteams, I am talking to Lana (loquacities) and the SUSE team (Tanja) about starting a User Guide specialty team | 15:10 |
| annegentle | Okay, which easily moves us to the next topic | 15:10 |
| annegentle | #topic User guide migrations | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User guide migrations (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:11 | |
| annegentle | I'm working as fast as I can on the Sphinx template, and hope to be done in the next week or so. Fingers crossed. | 15:11 |
| annegentle | We do need to migrate the content, and I wondered if signing up on the wiki page for chapters is a good way to do that? | 15:11 |
| annegentle | When I did the migration for the dev guides, I used this process: | 15:12 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 15:12 |
| annegentle | So I'm thinking we can have people sign up for the migration and cleanup. | 15:12 |
| annegentle | Andreas got a good start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142437/ | 15:13 |
| annegentle | so really, it seems either method would work | 15:13 |
| annegentle | the main thing to do is to carefully clean up the source after it's migrated | 15:13 |
| annegentle | is a wiki page signup the way to go? | 15:13 |
| klevenstein | sounds good to me | 15:14 |
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| annegentle | klevenstein: cool, I think Robb was also interested | 15:14 |
| annegentle | honestly, I don't think we care how it's done as long as the files look good | 15:14 |
| klevenstein | Brb, switching devices. | 15:15 |
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| annegentle | #info Add your Name and a Chapter to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#End_User_Guide_Migration to sign up for migrating content | 15:16 |
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| annegentle | #info Either use Andreas's script in doc/playground-user-guide/source or the one in the Documentation/Migrate wiki page | 15:17 |
| annegentle | That should do it, spread the word please. And I'll keep working on the theme. | 15:17 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/annegentle/openstack-docs-theme | 15:18 |
| annegentle | I met with Doug ( dhellmann) this week and have revised the plan to create an extension named openstackdocstheme | 15:18 |
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| annegentle | Updating the spec with that info so that's the plan of record | 15:18 |
| annegentle | Then, people can build locally and automatically, and we'll have the ability to add more features as we go. | 15:19 |
| annegentle | the CSS and other changes will be reviewed by the docs team and the repo will live in the Docs project. | 15:19 |
| annegentle | But Doug is definitely willing to help. | 15:19 |
| annegentle | That's it for the migration | 15:19 |
| annegentle | Oh I combined two topics :) | 15:19 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools latest: Sphinx new theme | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools latest: Sphinx new theme (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:19 | |
| annegentle | So yeah what I just said is the latest on the new theme. | 15:20 |
| annegentle | I finally got the divs working like they need to, now I just have to map styles within Sphinx to match ..note:: with what we want output, for example. | 15:20 |
| annegentle | Any questins? | 15:20 |
| annegentle | questions even? | 15:20 |
| annegentle | Okay, next topic | 15:21 |
| annegentle | #topic Installation guide: Change trunk to Kilo, potential changes for Kilo | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide: Change trunk to Kilo, potential changes for Kilo (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:21 | |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 15:21 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: go ahead, the floor is yours | 15:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, kilo-2 is coming out soon, and i wondered when we should move feature work to kilo | 15:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | in other words, only bug fix the juno branch | 15:21 |
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| annegentle | I'll be honest -- I would like us to not focus on the install guide until 6 weeks from release date. | 15:22 |
| annegentle | what are the risks with leaving it alone for a while? | 15:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | depends on what we want to accomplish for kilo | 15:22 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ah, what are you thinking of? | 15:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | keystone v3 comes to mind, but that requires moving to 'python-openstackclient' for everything | 15:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's also nova v3, removing deprecated cinder v1, perhaps glance v2, etc. | 15:23 |
| annegentle | honestly, I don't sense we can decide that for another milestone or 2 | 15:24 |
| annegentle | what do others think? Esp. about keystone v3? | 15:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats fine. i figured i would bring it up. the key with this release was trying to get people to use the actual release docs vs. always going to trunk (because historically, thats the only place bugs were fixed) | 15:24 |
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| annegentle | right. | 15:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | my goals are to slowly make the install guide more practical | 15:25 |
| annegentle | oh it's definitely a good time to bring it up, just was hoping to delay another milestone if possible. I don't have good spidey sense on any decisions but that might be just me. | 15:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have a good source (rpc) of practical things | 15:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure -3 is fine | 15:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to make the process a bit better each release. | 15:26 |
| annegentle | absolutely | 15:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | get the big stuff done early, fix the packaging bugs later | 15:26 |
| annegentle | yeah, keystone v3 and/or nova v2.1 would be big changes | 15:26 |
| annegentle | is there anyone else we can get a gut check on keystone v3? | 15:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | rpc uses it | 15:27 |
| annegentle | (more people more betta) | 15:27 |
| annegentle | how about Mirantis or RDO? | 15:27 |
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| annegentle | or Trystack? | 15:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure. i can ask dolph what we knows. | 15:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | he | 15:27 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: can you ask on the mailing list -- Steve Gordon and Nick Chase would be good references for RDO (which is Trystack) and Mirantis | 15:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure | 15:28 |
| annegentle | Cool, thanks | 15:28 |
| annegentle | #action Sam-I-Am to ask about keystone v3 uptake for major ref architectures | 15:28 |
| annegentle | #undo | 15:28 |
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| annegentle | #action Sam-I-Am to ask about keystone v3 uptake for major ref architectures like RDO, Mirantis (Rackspace is going to v3) | 15:28 |
| annegentle | is that more accurate? Anyway. | 15:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty much | 15:29 |
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| annegentle | Okay, next topic | 15:29 |
| annegentle | #topic Image source files | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image source files (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:29 | |
| annegentle | Go ahead | 15:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a patch waiting to remove all of the omnigraffle source files | 15:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | yet we never really came up with a workaround | 15:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the last shot was the wiki, which only takes a few file types (like jpg and gif) | 15:30 |
| annegentle | ha, I thought this was a glance thing :) | 15:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | hahaha nope | 15:30 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: have you seen the thread on the ops list about diagrams? | 15:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | that would be too easy | 15:30 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: there were some decent alternatives there, let me dig it up | 15:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm not on the ops list | 15:31 |
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| annegentle | Ah, there were two relevant threads | 15:31 |
| annegentle | Okay, first one | 15:31 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-January/006011.html | 15:32 |
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| annegentle | And then the other relevant thread is the one on the Rally docs on openstack-dev | 15:32 |
| annegentle | they used https://www.lucidchart.com to make omnigraffle looking diagrams | 15:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | lucidchart is not free? | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | i remember looking at it at some point | 15:34 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-January/005980.html | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | it just moves the problem | 15:34 |
| annegentle | it's another data point | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 15:35 |
| annegentle | where the source files aren't stored in a repo | 15:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, in the meantime, i have these files... | 15:35 |
| annegentle | I think it's fine to put them on your own repo, then. | 15:36 |
| annegentle | similar to your drafts for the networking guide | 15:36 |
| annegentle | ensure the readme and license make it clear they're meant for people to use | 15:36 |
| annegentle | but I don't want them in the openstack namespace | 15:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure, but i wanted to make them accessible to anyone. there's quite a few people who secretly use omnigraffle. :) | 15:36 |
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| annegentle | does that help? | 15:36 |
| annegentle | github is accessible to anyone | 15:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i mean... if you're working on openstack docs | 15:37 |
| annegentle | while protecting the openstack docs governance | 15:37 |
| annegentle | I'm not willing to govern omnigraffle files in the Docs program | 15:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | can i put a link to them in the docs? | 15:37 |
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| annegentle | we already link to Google Drive so go ahead, see what reviewers say | 15:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, i'll give that a shot | 15:38 |
| annegentle | let's try it and see if it sticks | 15:38 |
| annegentle | okay, thanks! | 15:38 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 15:38 | |
| annegentle | I've got a few items | 15:38 |
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| annegentle | one is summit planning, Lana had asked about a "docs track" for the design summit side and doesn't have an answer yet, but I just don't think that "tracks" are how we're thinking of the design summit this time. | 15:39 |
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| annegentle | There are two types of setups for design summit: fishbowl, where discussions occur, and working groups, where tight collaborative groups get together | 15:39 |
| annegentle | I think we'll need both, anyone have thoughts? | 15:40 |
| KLevenstein | +1 | 15:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | makes sense | 15:41 |
| annegentle | I don't have "a few items" just that one now that I think about it. | 15:41 |
| annegentle | Anything else going on or interesting lately? | 15:42 |
| annegentle | Oh, one other item, was the governance | 15:42 |
| annegentle | er | 15:42 |
| annegentle | governance changes coming | 15:42 |
| annegentle | The TC is working on "tagging" for projects/repos in the openstack namespace | 15:42 |
| annegentle | I've got a patch to keep the "service names" in the programs.yaml (which is being renamed to projects.yaml) | 15:43 |
| annegentle | And in it, I change the capitalization to be more consistent. | 15:43 |
| annegentle | Please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150030/ | 15:43 |
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| annegentle | For example, DNS service or Domain Name Servers service? | 15:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | isnt it just domain name service? | 15:44 |
| annegentle | ah, IBM style guide says Domain Name System | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | or system... but not server | 15:45 |
| annegentle | so, DNS service or Domain Name System service? | 15:45 |
| annegentle | or Domain Name System (DNS) service? | 15:45 |
| KLevenstein | is there anything else that DNS stands for, or is this one of those things everyone knows? | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | DNSaaS :) | 15:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i only know of one dns, but its probably overloaded somewhere. | 15:46 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: we'd just go with IBM's definition | 15:46 |
| annegentle | but yes, system, service, and servers get used | 15:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | wikipedia says 'domain name system' too | 15:46 |
| annegentle | vote your preferences on the review | 15:47 |
| KLevenstein | I’ll take a look at the patch and see if anything else catches my eye | 15:47 |
| annegentle | It does mean Image Service becomes Image service | 15:47 |
| annegentle | so there's that. | 15:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | that would be nice | 15:47 |
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| annegentle | okay, feel free to take back your dozen minutes and do something AWESOME with it. | 15:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | like getting coffee? | 15:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i ran here from the bus lol | 15:47 |
| annegentle | 'zactly Sam-I-Am :) | 15:47 |
| KLevenstein | start paying attention to this other meeting I’m in. :) | 15:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | almost 10 with no coffee... | 15:47 |
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| annegentle | lol | 15:47 |
| * Sam-I-Am shudder | 15:47 | |
| Sam-I-Am | shake | 15:47 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 15:47:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-01-28-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| annegentle | go get you some | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-01-28-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-01-28-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | #grumpysam lol | 15:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | have a good day y'all | 15:48 |
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| berendt | annegentle: ping | 16:00 |
| annegentle | hey berendt | 16:00 |
| berendt | hi | 16:01 |
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| annegentle | berendt: how's it going? | 16:04 |
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| vishwanathj | Hi pc_m | 18:30 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: hi | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: vishwanathj pc_m: hi | 18:31 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: yo | 18:31 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, SridarK, Hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 18:31:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:31 | |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info metting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-2 is Feb 5th | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other announcements/info worth sharing upfront? | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we are good on this in this week as well | 18:32 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes nothing new | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was looking at some CLI patches earlier, and posted some comments | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but havent been able to get back to those | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure badveli is here | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | doesnt seem like any new requirements here either | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Firewall Insertion | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Firewall Insertion (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:34 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: any updates? | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: still working thru - i have done some work on the extensions and am now working thru the db side of this | 18:34 |
| SridarK | once i have something very basic will push a WIP patch | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: good | 18:35 |
| SridarK | wanted to get this out earlier but got tied up with some other things | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: it might be worth posting a WIP patch even without the DB impl | 18:35 |
| SridarK | and will push to get this out soon | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: it will give a head start on the review, since feb 5th is only a week away | 18:35 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: at least want something sketchy here - will connect with more on this | 18:36 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i also am looking how we can minimize impacts with vendor patches | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: based on the extension definition the CLI patch can also be added | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thats a noble goal! ;-) | 18:36 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes definitely - will sync with u on the CLI as well | 18:36 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for SridarK on the insertion patch? | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: noble or selfish (meaning how much it will impact the insertion patch0 :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay “noble” | 18:37 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for the update on that | 18:37 |
| SridarK | np | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, do you expect a lot of code changes to the vendor code as a result of your patch upload? | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | just trying to get an effort sizing | 18:38 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: definitely want to minimize this - we will need to discuss this | 18:38 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: i took a quick scan thru ur patch - i need to think this thru some more | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | needless to say, we will try as much as possible to not create extra work for anyone | 18:39 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: i will ping u and we can run thru - i think it may not be too bad - | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence the offline coordination | 18:39 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes exactly | 18:39 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, Ok | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there might be some refactoring, which unfortunately cannot be avoided | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but hopefully we can help each other out here, regardles of vendor code or not | 18:40 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes - exactly | 18:40 |
| vishwanathj | Understood | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get to the vendor patches as the next topic | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since pc_m is here | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS L3 agent refactoring/restructuring | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: anything new that we should be discussing here? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or you want to update us? | 18:41 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: no. Just will wait for SridarK to do the FW insertion. | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay, really appreciate your patience on this! | 18:42 |
| pc_m | np | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and also for being our eyes and ears on the L3 agent refactoring | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: good time to join | 18:43 |
| badveli | hello all, sorry for being late | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Objects | 18:43 |
| SridarK | badveli: hi | 18:43 |
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| badveli | hello sumit, sridar | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: any update on this topic? | 18:43 |
| badveli | Sumit:i am trying to understand your mail | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for reference, I believe badveli is referring to my email which was pointing to this patch: | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145085 | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: correct me if thats not what you meant | 18:44 |
| badveli | sumit, you are right | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so last week we had the discussion about splitting the patches for a feature impl across the neutron and the neutron-fwaas repo | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there seem to be some patches in LBaaS which are already doing this | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the one referenced above is an one such example | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as was our understanding, one cannot link patches across gerrits | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the neutron-lbaas patch fails until the extension changes are not approved in neutron | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the neutron-lbaas patch points this out in its commit message | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can do something similar | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and/or actually copy over the extension definition changes to the neutron-fwaas repo (temporarily) to get the UTs to pass | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i do not believe the later is required, but is helpful from a validation or testing perspective (when revieiwing the feature as whole) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: hope that clarifies | 18:48 |
| pc_m | latter seem better, imho | 18:48 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so we will then have to wait for the changes to merge in neutron-fwaas before the extension patch in neutron merges | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: the other way round, right? | 18:49 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: oops yes | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, a bit painful and non-linear | 18:50 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the extension patch in neutron will kind of stand on its on and will not really get pulled in anywhere as the plugin that uses it will be in the service repo | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: true | 18:50 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: am i right in thinking this like adding a text file | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, but it seems to fly in the face of the earlier requirements to have a reference implementation for the extension that can be readily validated | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes but now it is just a 2 step process | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i guess this can still be done by pointing to the two relevant patches in devstack, but makes reviewing certainly more challenging | 18:52 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i think there is some confusion being the first time - i guess we will figure this out | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, lets use the neutron-lbaas patches (and their complements in the neutron repo) as guiding templates | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess in this case we are happy to let them be “trailblazers” ;-) | 18:54 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that was very useful for pointing us to that - definitely helped | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: any update on service groups/objects? | 18:54 |
| badveli | sumit, i have not thaught about how to go with the changes | 18:55 |
| badveli | as i was not very clear | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay, hope the discusison over the past couple of weeks has helped | 18:55 |
| badveli | yes, | 18:55 |
| badveli | sumit: let me get back on this if i have questions/ will mail the team | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great! | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks | 18:56 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor Plugins/Drivers | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: lets start with yours | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: your lib dependency issues are resolved? | 18:56 |
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| vishwanathj | yes | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you want to share a quick summary with the rest of the team? | 18:57 |
| vishwanathj | Sure... | 18:58 |
| vishwanathj | the short summary is that we ran into issues with dependency on code that will be hosted in stackforge, however per Doug_Weigley;s email suggestion used mock in our tests to resolve those issues. | 18:59 |
| vishwanathj | Also, the only person to have reviewed so far is SumitNaiksatam, hopefully others will find the time to look at our code | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: thats correct, thats the appraoch with plugins and drivers in neutron as well | 19:00 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: i have started looking :-) | 19:00 |
| vishwanathj | learning a lot | 19:00 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, thanks | 19:00 |
| vishwanathj | I am done with my summary | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: thanks | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i also want to point out that there is another plugin which is in review: #link https://review.openstack.org/148884 (freescale) | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this nearly made it in Juno and has been tossed around quite a bit | 19:01 |
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| vishwanathj | thanks for sharing the link, I will review as well | 19:02 |
| pc_m | i'm peeking at it now... but don't have much FW knowledge. | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i commend the author’s patience and perseverance on this | 19:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: +1 on that | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think he deserves attention! | 19:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think that patch was quite ready to go | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks pc_m vishwanathj! | 19:02 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so hopefully this will be easy | 19:02 |
| vishwanathj | pc_m, I plan to upload updated class diagram and sequence digrams on github....maybe that can help with the FW reviews | 19:03 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: Sure! | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: thanks, great, looking forward to it | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was something similar on the LBaaS wiki pages, however it was a bit confusing | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i think what you have might be very helpful | 19:04 |
| vishwanathj | the link to github where I plan to upload will be https://github.com/vishwanathj/ | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps publishing the raw files might also help, incase anyone wants to update the sequence diagrams | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but totally upto you | 19:04 |
| vishwanathj | I have already uploaded a raw version, | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: you can provide a link from the wiki | 19:05 |
| vishwanathj | one needs to install Visual paradigm to open the file | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: hopefully others can post changes to your repo | 19:05 |
| vishwanathj | I also plan to upload the JPEGs of the diagrams | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: thanks | 19:05 |
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| vishwanathj | this is a first attempt, any feedback or corrections are certainly welcome | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the last plugin/driver we are tracking is the Cisco one | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ? | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe i also yanping here? | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes, we are getting thru the vendor split for the L3 split | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *also saw | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we also have an extension | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: something we are in discussion | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: you mean extension to FWaaS? | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: and you intend to move that with the vendor repo split | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so we have a vendor repo dependency and a Vendor extension for fwaas | 19:08 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so find an interesting new use case here | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i would think that would be the sensible/reasonable approach, unless there are explicit guidelines against doing it | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i meant moving the vendor extension along with the service plugin | 19:08 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes - according the guidelines - vendor extensions are to be in neutron | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: it that supposed to be interpreted in the context of the neutron extensions, or also in the context of advanced services’ extensions? | 19:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: an easy approach will be to keep it with in the neutron-fwaas repo but given the caveat and also that for the reference implementation we are putting extensions in neutron | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 19:10 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we may need to put the extension in neutron - in a vendor section | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on vendor code? | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we are discussing this internally also | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes noticed that | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:12 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but yes we will a plugin patch and yanping will have a agent/driver patch | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay, thanks | 19:12 |
| vishwanathj | What is the likelihood of all vendor code reviewed by Feb 5th? | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: currently we have two vendor code related patches | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: so it seems promising | 19:13 |
| vishwanathj | Brocade and Freescale, right? | 19:13 |
| vishwanathj | that gives me a ray of hope :) Thanks | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: yeah | 19:14 |
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| pc_m | Does FW have a functional test gate running? | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: but i am speaking for myself! :-P | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: you mean on the neutron-fwaas repo? | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | Understood, that's why I asked about the review and not not approval :) | 19:15 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: does vpnaas have one? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i recall that the all the adv services tests we moved to a separate job | 19:16 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: In progress, I'm adding it right now... | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i dont see that running now | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: so good point | 19:16 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I've been taking notes on the steps needed... | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: awesome, it will help this team if you can share those | 19:17 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Will do. Just need to figure out where to put the notes... may make a Google Doc. | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think some one was looking at the tests - i will find out and let folks know | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yes sure, or perhaps you can just create a wiki page, your call | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok, it will be good to know | 19:18 |
| pc_m | I'm still in the process. Have the functional gate as experimental, and once tested out, will setup check to run all the time, and finally voting. | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i currently dont see an lbaas-specific gate job either | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: correct | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: so you are taking the existing vpnaas tempest tests? | 19:19 |
| pc_m | There's two things actually, per repo functional gate, so that we can create functional tests for VPN (there are none). | 19:19 |
| pc_m | The other is Tempest, which currently, maru is moving to be in-tree for Neutron. | 19:19 |
| pc_m | Once in tree, the tests for VPN can be moved to VPN repo. | 19:20 |
| pc_m | LBaaS will be doing the same. | 19:20 |
| * pc_m I've been talking to Doug | 19:20 | |
| pc_m | Just giving you guys a heads up... | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay, yeah there are fwaas tempest tests as well | 19:20 |
| pc_m | more side effects of the split | 19:20 |
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| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Yeah, there is one VPN tempest test for API | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: for the former - the functional tests will also be in the services’ repo, right? | 19:22 |
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| pc_m | Yeah, we're making functional tests for VPN that will go in neutron_vpnaas/tests/functional/ | 19:22 |
| pc_m | The gate I just upstreamed will run them (fingers crossed). | 19:23 |
| pc_m | s/just/just got/ | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: but you dont have any functional tests, right? | 19:23 |
| pc_m | not yet, there are a bunch that people have been developing, and are waiting for the gate to push out for review. | 19:24 |
| pc_m | 3 I think | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay, so you are getting the gate job in place first, and then people will start adding the tests? | 19:24 |
| pc_m | Yeah. pretty much. Have it as experimental, then we can create functional tests and check them during review. | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ok cool | 19:26 |
| pc_m | Once things are working, we'll turn on the check all the time, but non-voting. | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: why cant the py27 job run all the tests? | 19:26 |
| pc_m | I also have to add gate hooks in the VPN repo. | 19:26 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: As I understand it, the functional tests spin up devstack. | 19:26 |
| * pc_m don't ask the difference between functional and tempest :) | 19:27 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ah ok | 19:27 |
| pc_m | So the test starts up devstack and has access to routers, etc... | 19:27 |
| pc_m | I heard that the tempest tests do that, and use VMs too, but not sure why functional tests, which have access to a Nova can't do the same/ | 19:28 |
| pc_m | probably some misunderstanding on my part. | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yeah, some of the tempest scenario tests do that | 19:28 |
| pc_m | Still trying understand all this... :) | 19:28 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to provide info on VPNaaS functional gate setup | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: but thanks for the headsup here in terms of what you are doing, and is very helpful for the team here as well! | 19:29 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 19:29 |
| pc_m | sure. I'm here to help :) | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action fwaas team to take pc_m out for lunch the next time he is in the bay area! ;-) | 19:29 |
| pc_m | :) | 19:29 |
| vishwanathj | +1 :) | 19:29 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: or in vancouver | 19:30 |
| pc_m | +1 | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, we have hit the hour | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks everyone for joining! | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:30 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:30 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 19:30 |
| pc_m | bye | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 19:30:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-28-18.31.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-28-18.31.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-01-28-18.31.log.html | 19:30 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 20:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | hello everyone | 20:00 |
| woodm1979 | Hello! | 20:00 |
| clu_ | hi | 20:00 |
| gary-smith | hi | 20:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:00 |
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| lblanchard | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jgravel | hello | 20:01 |
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| david-lyle | packed house | 20:02 |
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| bpokorny | Hi | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | let's get started | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | The agenda for today's meeting is available at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | But first let's talk milestone status | 20:03 |
| gugl | hi | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | k-2 ends on Feb 5 | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-2 | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | 1 Started, 4 Good progress, 1 Beta Available, 13 Needs Code Review, 7 Implemented | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | a lot need reviews | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | I believe that a few need code review are blocked by dependencies | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | on other projects | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | I'll walk through and those blocked are going to get bumped to k-3 | 20:05 |
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| gary-smith | You can move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/cinder-multi-attach-volume to k-3 | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | but we should prioritize those reviews | 20:06 |
| gary-smith | (it is one of those blocked) | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | done | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | any questions about k-2 or milestones in general | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | ask later if needed | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | mattfarina: around? | 20:07 |
| mattfarina | david-lyle I am | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | great | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | #topic Updating to Jasmine 2 | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/update-jasmine | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | anything you want to add mattfarina on that one? | 20:08 |
| mattfarina | david-lyle we'd like to land Jasmine2. I see you +1'd the review to requiremts since i post to the agenda. | 20:09 |
| tqtran | can we get it into kilo-2? we still have some time | 20:09 |
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| mattfarina | I'd like to have it in for kilo-2 | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I think essentially we're blocked by openstack/requirements patch not | 20:09 |
| mattfarina | we need to get the people on https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/131,members to weigh in. | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | s/not/now/ | 20:09 |
| mattfarina | the review to horizon is blocked by the review to requirements | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | understood | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | once requirements moves forward, we can work on merging the horizon side | 20:10 |
| mattfarina | i'm going to reach out to some of the admins and see if we can move it along | 20:10 |
| mattfarina | if anyone else wants to as well... that would be appreciated | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | point out the gate tests are disabled until updated | 20:11 |
| tqtran | i left a ping in irc this morning, but reaching out to individuals might be better | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | thanks for raising the issue, tqtran brought it to my attention this morning | 20:12 |
| mattfarina | i tried a general ping and got no movement | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | these take time | 20:12 |
| mattfarina | for now :) | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | #topic JavaScript cleanup: reduce number of jQuery objects being created | 20:12 |
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| mattfarina | this one is me too. i wanted to talk about the javascript practice | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | I think the linked patch merged | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | sure | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | have at it | 20:13 |
| mattfarina | the first of many | 20:13 |
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| mattfarina | every time we do a $(document) or a $('#something') we create a new object and that takes memory and needs to be garbage collected | 20:14 |
| mattfarina | it's usually a good idea if you're going to create the same object more than once to assign it to a variable and repeatedly call the variable | 20:14 |
| mattfarina | that's what we'd do in Python or another language | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | seems like a good recommendation | 20:15 |
| mattfarina | should recommendations like this go into the JS guide? | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | I'm a big fan of this idea, if there are more patches out im happy to spend time reviewing them | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | mattfarina: yes | 20:15 |
| mattfarina | robcresswell thanks. i just updated one file. if we tried to fix everything in one go it would never land | 20:16 |
| mattfarina | i'll take you up on that | 20:16 |
| mrunge | oh yes please | 20:16 |
| mattfarina | ok, i can update the guide | 20:16 |
| mattfarina | that's all i wanted to talk about here. thanks | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | I have noticed recently that the js behavior in horizon is flaky | 20:17 |
| mrunge | hell yes! | 20:17 |
| tqtran | flaky? | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | leaving the browser open for any period of time causes modal behavior to fail | 20:17 |
| mattfarina | we're using more memory than we need to and i wouldn't be surprised if we have some memory leaks | 20:17 |
| mrunge | very strange and quite unexpected behaviour | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | tabs to stop working | 20:17 |
| tqtran | ah.... | 20:17 |
| mrunge | menus stop working | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | generally becomes unusable | 20:17 |
| mattfarina | we also have some problems with event handlers that can cause processing issues | 20:17 |
| mrunge | accordion does not react | 20:17 |
| mattfarina | js is single threaded after all | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | this needs to be a critical priority | 20:18 |
| mrunge | awesome | 20:18 |
| mattfarina | great. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | I haven't filed a bug because I don't have concrete repeatability steps | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | just general wait a while | 20:18 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, do you have a bug number? | 20:18 |
| mattfarina | this jquery issue here is just one of the things. if people find problems and report bugs i'm happy to help anyone figure it out or come up with a fix | 20:18 |
| mrunge | or a link? | 20:18 |
| tqtran | hehe, yes hard to find them. we have too many js with global reach | 20:18 |
| mattfarina | i <3 js after all | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | mattfarina: Could also take on some of the individual file rewrites... should have a bit of spare time. Let me know. | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I don't have a bug yet | 20:19 |
| mrunge | ok, thanks | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | just got very frustrated recently | 20:19 |
| mrunge | yes, I hear you! | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | some profiling would be helpful | 20:19 |
| mrunge | I have quite a few things to fix in launch instance workflow. | 20:20 |
| mrunge | but it doesn't make sense to start | 20:20 |
| mrunge | since there is this whole start instance rewrite | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: good point on that one | 20:20 |
| mrunge | on what we're waiting | 20:20 |
| mrunge | and waiting | 20:20 |
| mrunge | is that targeted for kilo? | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | but we have a bunch of other places for improvement | 20:21 |
| tqtran | mrunge: yes sir | 20:21 |
| mrunge | really? | 20:21 |
| tqtran | mrunge: really =) | 20:21 |
| mrunge | glad to hear tqtran | 20:21 |
| mattfarina | maybe i can suggest a 2 headed approach. we share good practices and tools. then we use them to slowly work through the code as we fix existing code and add new features | 20:21 |
| tqtran | i dont know if all of it will land, but thats the aim right now | 20:21 |
| mattfarina | i think a lot of it is practices or slip ups many just don't know | 20:21 |
| mrunge | until now, we don't have any new features in kilo at all | 20:22 |
| mattfarina | like, there's a common cause of memory leaks in circular dependencies... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/A_re-introduction_to_JavaScript#Memory_leaks | 20:22 |
| mrunge | at least, nothing to note | 20:22 |
| mrunge | mattfarina, thanks for sharing the link, quite useful! | 20:23 |
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| mrunge | it seems like memory leaks happen in firefox as well... | 20:24 |
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| mrunge | not only in IE, as mentioned in the document | 20:24 |
| mattfarina | they happen in all browsers | 20:25 |
| mattfarina | this is just one example. they are common enough in FF extensions they have a guide on dealing with it there and FF has a tool to help find memory leaks | 20:25 |
| asahlin | mattfarina: +1 to 2 headed approach comment.. get it documented, people then can reference, and we can open defects and point to best practices when issues are found. | 20:26 |
| mattfarina | thanks | 20:26 |
| mattfarina | this is already way more than i had planned on talking about. really glad there's interest | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | mattfarina: we need to get out house in order as we add more and more js | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | so it's extremely relevant, thanks for bringing it up | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:27 |
| asahlin | out house or our house ;-) | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah its all very valid points, just need to take it one step at a time | 20:27 |
| mrunge | yes, the sooner we have guidelines, the better | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | asahlin: depends on the day | 20:27 |
| asahlin | lol | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | yesterday, very much out house | 20:28 |
| Piet | We are looking for Domains Admins to participate in a usability study! | 20:28 |
| Piet | If you know someone please let me know! | 20:28 |
| asahlin | question: has anyone started Neutron REST API for Angular front end to use? | 20:29 |
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| david-lyle | Piet: that is going to be a small pool, I fear | 20:29 |
| asahlin | I didn't see any patches out there, but didn't want to start if someone already had a jump on it. | 20:29 |
| Piet | Agreed, but we only need about eight people | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | asahlin: not sure | 20:29 |
| woodm1979 | asahlin: I BELIEVE we have, but not entirely sure. ( | 20:29 |
| mattfarina | asahlin i think Mike Hagedorn may have | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | asahlin: bradjones was looking into it... | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | let's get coordinated | 20:30 |
| asahlin | ok, I will ping them or send an email to the group | 20:30 |
| wchrisj | asahlin: Mike Hagedorn is doing that | 20:30 |
| Piet | Please take a few moments to leave comments on the UX Design for the Instance Details panel. http://invis.io/NB1L22K4Q | 20:31 |
| asahlin | wchrisj: mattfarina: great thanks, I will reach out to Mike | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | so far all angular bps seem to be buried in one bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-identity-tables | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | other than launch instance | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | if you are tackling other services, I expect bps, so that we can coordinate around those | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | but I also caution getting to far ahead of ourselves | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | be prepared to pivot if necessary | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | other topics? | 20:34 |
| mrunge | does it make sense to collect extension ideas | 20:34 |
| mrunge | separate from blueprint? | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: for the angular work? | 20:35 |
| mrunge | angular, anything | 20:35 |
| mrunge | it's more general | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I am unclear what you're asking | 20:36 |
| mrunge | often, you have an idea, but it's not complete to get a blueprint accepted | 20:36 |
| mrunge | something like a feature request from someone | 20:36 |
| mrunge | like: I'm an admin and want to see images and networks of tenant a | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | ah, I understand now | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | good question | 20:37 |
| tqtran | is that what our wishlist is for? | 20:37 |
| mrunge | neither someone, nor I have a concrete idea how it should look like | 20:37 |
| tqtran | only that no one really pays attention to it | 20:37 |
| mrunge | for example | 20:37 |
| mrunge | it would serve as an idea pool for contributors with spare cycles | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | our bps are already over-used already, so I don't want to use that | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | maybe an etherpad or wiki page | 20:38 |
| mrunge | don't we try to make a bp more formal? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | that's why I'd like to keep suggestion out of it | 20:38 |
| mrunge | so mis-using bp for this purpose would just be wrong | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to clean out old bps that are out of date as it is | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | to much cruft | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | hard to manage | 20:39 |
| mrunge | ah yes, I'll do the same. | 20:39 |
| mrunge | we have currently 273 blueprints | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I am fully aware :( | 20:40 |
| mrunge | which is insane. | 20:40 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I'm not blaming you | 20:40 |
| mattfarina | maybe a wishlist wiki page. if many details are needed they could go to an etherpad. the wishlist would be easy to find. using etherpads for long details would mean the wiki doesn't get cluttered (especially for search) | 20:40 |
| mattfarina | just a thought | 20:40 |
| mrunge | good suggestion | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | works for me, mattfarina, make it so | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | thanks for stepping up | 20:40 |
| mattfarina | ha, thanks | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | just linked off the horizon page | 20:41 |
| mrunge | I could imagine, we need to clean that wishlist up from time to time | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: indeed | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | two things moving forward I'd like people to think about | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | 1. adopting a specs repo in horizon and have bps blocked to non-core additions | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | formalize the review process, come into better alignment with the rest of openstack | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | less noise | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | ideas are great | 20:43 |
| mrunge | good suggestions | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | being randomly added to milestones is not as great | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | but with 273 bps, that's the only way to make them visible currently | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | 2. moving to a wider eco-system, formalize how horizon will handle extensions | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | in a contrib folder, external to tree, how we point deployers at them | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | there will be a push for horizon to support more and more things | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | we need to be ready to handle it | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | if we formalized before the flood gates open, we will have a clear message and path for those asking | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | less painful in the long run | 20:46 |
| mattfarina | david-lyle I appreciate #2 as it came up this week | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | I'm quite reluctant to pull them in the tree | 20:46 |
| mattfarina | people are already talking about it if you didn't already know | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | I'm sure | 20:46 |
| wchrisj | As someone working in that area right now, I couldn't agree more david-lyle: | 20:47 |
| wchrisj | with #2 | 20:47 |
| mrunge | I wonder, why those extensions don't use the plugin stuff already there | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: they will | 20:48 |
| mrunge | and if that doesn't work out, why plugins are not extended to work | 20:48 |
| mattfarina | is it that lack of intention and documentation? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | but if they are part of OpenStack, it is a forced dichotomy to have some in tree and some out | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | the TC is now saying OpenStack is OpenStack | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | it's not integrated | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | it's not incubated | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | it's OpenStack | 20:49 |
| mrunge | you can basically add anything through plugins | 20:49 |
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| mrunge | just have a python module somewhere and write a config file | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | but by having cinder, nova, sahara, trove in tree, there is greater access to those services by default | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure fairness is our job | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | but at a bare minimum, it would be nice to have a list of compatible extensions and links to github repos or pypi packages | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | somewher | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | e | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | and also clearly define what will go in tree | 20:51 |
| sambetts | I assume Vendor specfic extensions will be out-of-tree | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | I'm not willing to accept anything vendor specific | 20:52 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, we could think about defining a horizon core and see the rest as add-on or plugins then? | 20:52 |
| mrunge | how often did we had the request to have only swift and nothing else? | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | but things like Piet started with UX style guide become more important | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | since we're not reviewing the extensions directly | 20:52 |
| lhcheng | for plugins, we should bump up priority on radomir's patch https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ini-based-configuration, and eventually use stevedore to load plugins. | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | yes the current framework is flawed a bit | 20:53 |
| mrunge | yes!, good suggestion lcheng | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | in that the extension file is a python file | 20:53 |
| mattfarina | it's pretty common to have a core set of extensions and then a long list of community extensions | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | this makes it exceptionally hard to use | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | again, my desire is to decide the plan and document it before everyone is banging on our door | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | I want to be lazy and just point them to the appropriate wiki page | 20:54 |
| mattfarina | +1 | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | I'm not hearing much disagreement on the general approach | 20:55 |
| mrunge | yes! | 20:55 |
| sambetts | pre-planning is a good thing, because as we're seeing with neutron vendor decomp it is harder to move things out once they are in | 20:55 |
| mrunge | +2, approved | 20:55 |
| lhcheng | sound goods to me | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | I may just need to document | 20:55 |
| mrunge | to both :P | 20:55 |
| ericpeterson | so lets describe these decisions in a series of blue prints | 20:56 |
| * ericpeterson ducks | 20:56 | |
| david-lyle | or a specs specs repo | 20:56 |
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| david-lyle | answer is always just one more level of metadata | 20:57 |
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| david-lyle | 2 minutes | 20:58 |
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| david-lyle | have a great week everyone. thanks for all the reviews | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 21:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-28-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-28-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-01-28-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| mrunge | thanks david-lyle | 21:00 |
| woodm1979 | Indeed. Thanks david-lyle | 21:01 |
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