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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 2 16:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda! https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from last week: Get storyboard to a happy place | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week: Get storyboard to a happy place (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| krotscheck | Storyboard is happy again! | 16:01 |
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| yolanda | hi | 16:01 |
| yolanda | totally happy? :) | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | We still have an outstanding discussion on validation. | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Which, to be honest, I don’t exactly recall the details of. | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | I’ll bring that up in discussion topics. | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last week: Gating Tests (yolanda) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last week: Gating Tests (yolanda) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:02 | |
| yolanda | so there is a pending spec | 16:02 |
| yolanda | let me link it | 16:02 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/150743 | 16:02 |
| yolanda | i created a proposal, then i got some comments from jeblair, and i amended it according to the comments | 16:03 |
| * krotscheck likes the changes :) | 16:03 | |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 16:03 |
| yolanda | i wanted to start working on that, maybe i can just start adding integration tests on the client till we get final approval | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda: Given that we already have the integration framework there, that makes a lot of sense. | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | And, to be honest, the test suite on the client is rather atrocious. | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Anything else? | 16:05 |
| yolanda | well, you said that, not me :) | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, moving on! | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:06 | |
| yolanda | some things still broken | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Did anything come up that needs immediate attention? | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | oh> | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | ? | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | niet | 16:06 |
| yolanda | worker daemon is broken | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: What’s broken? | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh yeah that | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Right | 16:06 |
| yolanda | i created a fix but i need to amend it | 16:06 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/151630 | 16:06 |
| yolanda | check if options are already declared, i thought it only was called from that entry point | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Got it. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | So | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | That particular execution path exists only for two reasons. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | 1: Engineer convenience. It’s nice for one of us to just spin up one worker. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | 2: In case someone else wants to wroll teir own startup script instead of using ours. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Given that 1 is easy enough to circumvent simply by invoking python (though it would require additional documentation) | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | And we don’t have any reported use of 2 yet.... | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | …do we really need it? | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yolanda: btw, maybe newer oslo.log versions handle that better? I've heard some one else had problems initialising logger | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | That’d also be worth looking at. | 16:09 |
| yolanda | NikitaKonovalov, i google that, yes, i discovered the origin of the problem just seeing a similar case in nova, i think | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Would it make sense to patch oslo? | 16:10 |
| yolanda | well, oslo raises an exception | 16:10 |
| yolanda | we could handle that properly | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | That works! | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | Or add a new main() method.... | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | Lots of sane options, I’m ok leaving it to you to figure out which one’s best. | 16:11 |
| yolanda | i'm afraid of just patching this one with new method and then have same case on the future with some other entry points | 16:11 |
| yolanda | maybe just enclose all the calls for register options and catch this exception in particular? | 16:12 |
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| krotscheck | I don’t see any major problems with that. NikitaKonovalov, any thoughts? | 16:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yolanda: catching specific exception lgtm | 16:12 |
| yolanda | ok | 16:13 |
| yolanda | sounds good | 16:13 |
| yolanda | also... general validation in the client is broken :) | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | Cool, anything else that’s urgent? | 16:13 |
| yolanda | new checks for min length are not handled properly | 16:13 |
| yolanda | it just fails silently on the frontend | 16:13 |
| yolanda | i started patching that | 16:13 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/152133 | 16:13 |
| yolanda | this is one but checks need to be placed properly on all templates | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | Is this project_groups only? | 16:15 |
| yolanda | yes, i just sent a patch for project groups | 16:15 |
| yolanda | wanted to send them by separate | 16:15 |
| yolanda | because each one has its own problems | 16:16 |
| yolanda | btw, there are some cases that cannot be handled by simple angular validation, such as duplicates, and this isn't reported on the frontend, it fails silently as well | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | Ok, something definitely seems off there. | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | Also, why are our errors not showing up in the UI anymore? | 16:16 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, i have never have seen errors from backend showing into the UI , so i cannot tell :( | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Figure out why client errors are not being shown to the user. | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | Right | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | It should be the same thing that shows “You have been logged out”, except red or yellow. | 16:17 |
| yolanda | maybe they come in another format now? | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | Perhaps. | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | I’ll check it out. That should fix 99% of the client validation problems I think. | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Feedback (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:19 | |
| * yolanda stops reporting broken things now | 16:19 | |
| * krotscheck got a positive feedback from infra last week, but doesn’t recall who it was from :/ | 16:19 | |
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| krotscheck | Moving on | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion topics: How to unset attributes in REST API (nkonovalov) | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion topics: How to unset attributes in REST API (nkonovalov) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:20 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | so the question here is how to unset an assignee_id of a task for example | 16:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the most obvious option is to send None | 16:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but the issue is that we filter out Nones on backend | 16:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | how about creating an application level 'undefined' value for that | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Right- because we don’t accidentally want to overwrite if someone sends partial data. | 16:21 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: that's the second option:) | 16:21 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and I actually like it | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | None seems like the one which everyone’s going to expect. | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | So, javascript has three different null values: null, undefined, and false. | 16:22 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: from nibalizer, remarking on the ease of use when we have 60+ tasks | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Oh, thanks! | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: if we treat None as a command to unset a value, the client should not send it when it simply does not know the value | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, null and undefined are both treated as python None | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so I see 2 scenario here: | 16:24 |
| NikitaKonovalov | 1. Make client send None to unset a value, handle this on backend and handle that user is not unsetting something he should not | 16:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | 2. Send some specific values like -1 for integers and empty sting for strings, handle that on backend and continue skiping Nones | 16:25 |
| rcarrillocruz | 1 could become messy :-) | 16:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: agree it involves additional validation | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | 2 tromps over valid use cases. I might want to set an integer to -1 | 16:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but from the other point we will need ACL valitdations some day | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | if we go for 1, could we do it with middleware? | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | What’s the REST-y thing to do? | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | my point is, it's tempting to write if/else in backend to validate things, but that can become messy quickly... | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: I agree. | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | Will jsonschema permit us to set valid values for each field? Say, ‘This must be a string of 3-255 characters, but it can also be None' | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I'm not sure but I think there are some solutions utilizing PUT and PATCH request types | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: jsonschema allows to set a string or none | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the quetion is None means do_not_change of set_to_None | 16:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | or* | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | I think it should mean ‘set_to_value’. Example: if we POST something (create), we can either post a task with an assignee or post it with None as the assignee. | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | In that case it’s very clearly “Here’s what I want this resource to be". | 16:31 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: ok, and PUT? | 16:31 |
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| krotscheck | I don’t really want the meaning of any convention to change between HTTP methods. | 16:32 |
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| krotscheck | The way our backend works right now, if I simply omit a field, then we don’t make a change. | 16:32 |
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| krotscheck | So the difference between wanting to unassign or ignore, is either PUT {assignee_id: None} or PUT { values_other_than_assignee_id } | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | But then the question becomes. | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | PUT is supposed to operate on entire entities. | 16:33 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | yep | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | WHich means it’s the client’s job to keep state. | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | And, well, I’m kindof ok with that. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | The complex part there though becomes once we have ACL's. | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so if we treat a None as command to unset a field, the client should be carefull sending that | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Very careful | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: exactly | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | With ACL’s there’s the third question. Q1: Does the value match our constraints, Q2: Is this person logged in, Q3: Is this person allowed to change _this_ field to _that_ value. | 16:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I guess it's time to get ACLs to StoryBoard, than we can tell who can set/unset what | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | Will JSONschema support invoking custom validation methods? | 16:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: allows to define validations | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | Good enough | 16:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so Q1 goes under jsonscema | 16:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Q2 is a hook we already have | 16:37 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Q3 is what I guess is described here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103667/ | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | I… guess? | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | Right | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | I need to look at that spec again to make sure it still makes sense. | 16:39 |
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| krotscheck | But for the sake of setting things to None, it feels like JSONschema is all we need. | 16:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so right now we may have a jsonschema that allows None, and db_api sets it and the client is just not sending None values until it is told to do so | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | RIght. | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | That’s going to require a lot of integration tests on the client to make sure it stays sane. | 16:41 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | once ACLs appear some users will just not be able to set/unset fields but that looks like an independent change | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Right | 16:42 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and yep, we need to test this before some send None everywhere he can | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | And at that poitn the client will have to load a user’s ACL’s so it knows what to enable and/or disable. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Ready for the tags discussion? | 16:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yep | 16:43 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Where to place tags in UI? | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Where to place tags in UI? (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:43 | |
| krotscheck | Project tags? Story Tags? All the tags! | 16:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | We now have Story tags only | 16:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | what's the use case for project tags? | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: That’s part of the new openstack project dimensions the board is working on. | 16:45 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: there were some, but we agreed to have project_groups, which seem enough | 16:45 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | everything may change though | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Exactly | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | But now we’re talking about story tags only | 16:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there is not much space left on a story page | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Listing them out right under the Author/last updated might work. | 16:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I think the best place is between tasks and comments | 16:47 |
| yolanda | i prefer on the right side, but how does it work on mobile? | 16:47 |
| * NikitaKonovalov has never checked SB in mobile browser. Need to try | 16:48 | |
| krotscheck | We’ve got three different opinions now :) | 16:48 |
| * rcarrillocruz will open a story to have an Android SB app | 16:48 | |
| krotscheck | Fun fun :) | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Do that | 16:49 |
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| rcarrillocruz | :D | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: You’d be surprised how easy that’s going to be. We can install it directly from the javascript | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, at some point we'll need to find place for tasks branch/milestone | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that's out of scope now | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh? is that with some PhoneGap black magic? | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | I’ve been taking a long hard look at the JIRA task ui, to see what we can pull from that. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8715 | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | As an example | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | It doesn’t do so well in mobile. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | But it does seem to hold up rather well. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | I feel it’d benefit us to break apart the different properties of a story into different taxonomies. Some are story properties, some are user based, etc. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | If ttx was here I’d totally ask him his opinion, but he’s travelling :) | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | lp tags are not that easy to locate on the page https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1319079 | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | Wow. | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, that’s kindof terrible | 16:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have a quick update on the streaming api | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | 5 minute warning | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: How about you come up with a UI draft and see how people feel about it? That’s why we have the draft build after all. | 16:55 |
| NikitaKonovalov | re tags: I'll start implemeting that part and when the thing comes to the layout we'll get back to discussion | 16:55 |
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| krotscheck | Alright. | 16:55 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: yep, that's what the js-draft is for | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Streaming API | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Streaming API (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:55 | |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Go | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | :) | 16:56 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i need the notifications events to show up time and the data per the pubsub spec | 16:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | as we discussed with krotscheck, we were working on similar things, but your change was much wider in scope | 16:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151645 | 16:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'd like to get reviews, krotscheck you could then base your changes on that mechanism of passing entity state in the hook? | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | This change will also benefit subscriptions and emails. | 16:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | i put tests as yolanda asked | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Absolutely :) | 16:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | cool | 16:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | in other news, the replay/reconnect thing, i thought 3 options: | 16:57 |
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| rcarrillocruz | 1. having a deferred queue that piles up messages. Won't work, i thought having durable attributes would allow to pick messages from that queue from several consumers without consuming, that's not possible | 16:58 |
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| rcarrillocruz | 2. have a streams queue where the consumer consume events and a 'backup' queue for storing all messages in case they want to replay. Unscalable, we'd need 2 queues per consumer | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | (time is almost upon us!) | 16:59 |
| rcarrillocruz | 3. have a x-expires TTL attribute in the consumer queues that expires if it has not been action in 5 minutes (whichever value, that's arbitrary) to allow clients to reconnect, and use DB queries to do the replay part | 17:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll go with 3 | 17:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | bye! | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | Ok, thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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