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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 16:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from last week. | 16:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week. (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from last week (Fix worker daemon) | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week (Fix worker daemon) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| krotscheck | yolanda: This one was yours? | 16:00 |
| yolanda | yes, pending from review | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Link? | 16:01 |
| yolanda | looking | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | cool | 16:01 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/151630 | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | LGTM | 16:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | +2 also | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last week: Errors not showing in client. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last week: Errors not showing in client. (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:03 | |
| rcarrillocruz | LGTM | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | I think that one got merged. | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | yolanda++ :) | 16:03 |
| yolanda | i saw the errors from first time last week :) | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Yay errors! | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | ...wait | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so that one’s done. | 16:03 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:04 | |
| krotscheck | Everything is broken! | 16:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | hah | 16:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154077/1 | 16:04 |
| yolanda | nooooo :) | 16:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | that gives a 500 | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Right, so while we now have lots and lots of lovely coverage on OAuth, we don’t ahve great coverage on our notification hooks. | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Anyone want to take that on this week? | 16:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | me | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Allrightey | 16:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm not oncall | 16:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | so i can tackle | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | #action rcarrillocruz Add test coverage to notifications. | 16:05 |
| yolanda | i'm on call :( | 16:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | hah | 16:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | pain moves on in a weekly basis :D | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | How many people do you guys have on the call rotation? | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | 3 | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | wat | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | mike, yolanda and myself | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | That’s not ethical. | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | :D | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Righto | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153591/ | 16:06 |
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| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/154069 | 16:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | this change had a strange error in patch sets 2-4 | 16:06 |
| yolanda | this needs review and merge | 16:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the tests failed almost silently and did not reproduce locally on desktop | 16:07 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Some kind of a pretty-tox error? | 16:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: no | 16:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | i think pretty-tox got removed ? | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: it was an import error | 16:08 |
| yolanda | mm, there was a suggestion to abandon it, but i think it wasn't | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and for some reason running locally just skipped the broken tests | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Odd. | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | as for pretty-tox, it is removed from the client | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | ALright | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I can also remove it from the api if it is unstable | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154069/ | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Well, if errors like that keep happening we’ll pull it out. | 16:09 |
| yolanda | NikitaKonovalov, can you +2 as well so we launch it? | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yolanda: looking now | 16:09 |
| yolanda | we need to properly fix that, but doesn't look easy | 16:10 |
| yolanda | related to timezones | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | I fixed something similar when I did the oauth issue token work, I’ll take a look | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Fix Auth Token verification tests disabled in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154069/ | 16:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, do we need such thing as expiration time for an authorization code? | 16:11 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: I’d rather not have a set of keys lying around that permit the generation of new access_tokens. | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: makes sense | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Feedback (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:13 | |
| krotscheck | I got user feedback from the PM team about how they really, really, really want pagination controls in the UI. | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | Anyone else? | 16:14 |
| yolanda | i saw some related changes from Aleksey | 16:14 |
| * krotscheck will file a story since there doesn’t seem to be one. | 16:14 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've got feedback that autocoplite in search is really slow | 16:14 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: why? | 16:14 |
| yolanda | how does it match with the spec for pagination? | 16:14 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so may be it's time to think of some optimizations for GET requests, may be some caching | 16:15 |
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| krotscheck | krotscheck: Quote “ I really need either paging or a scrolling screen ASAP so my searches based on keywords can display results beyond the first ten. “ | 16:16 |
| jeblair | oh of course yes. pagination without controls is not good. :) | 16:17 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: yep. | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck File story about pagination controls, check to see what arpinien ’s changes are all about. | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Autocomplete on the search window, yes? | 16:18 |
| jeblair | i was thinking of story lists for projects, which are currently not paginated? | 16:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: yes | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: That too. | 16:18 |
| jeblair | (and i'm in heaven) | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: :-P | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so the resolution of criteria is probably the issue there, which is understandably slow because each request goes into the browse request queue. | 16:19 |
| NikitaKonovalov | me and Aleksey did some testing and found that request handling is twice faster for an unauthorized user | 16:19 |
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| krotscheck | And we issue a request for every single resource for every other keystroke or so. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | Whoa | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Where’s the hangup? | 16:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and there is a reason for that as the fetching a token each time slows down with the number of tokens | 16:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we either clean those up properly or think of a cache | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | Before we discuss that, does anyone want to take on optimizing the search autocomplete? | 16:21 |
| * krotscheck will file a story if not. | 16:21 | |
| yolanda | i don't have much time this week so i think it's not realistic to volunteer | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck File story to work on optimizing search autocomplete. | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so caching tokens. | 16:22 |
| jeblair | maybe we should add an index to the accesstokens table? | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: sounds good | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | That would definitely improve performance. | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and that is not a hard thing to start with | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Right | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'll take it and test again | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Furthermroe, refresh tokens now delete their old access tokens when used. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | And as soon as I get back into fixing cron, we’ll have an automated cleanup script as well. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | #action NikitaKonovalov Add index to accesstokens table. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Fix cron so we can cleanup our tokens. | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | Lastly, I think requests might become faster if we handle our DB session management better. | 16:24 |
| * krotscheck gets off his sandbox :) | 16:24 | |
| krotscheck | Hey, login works again! | 16:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: you mean we should not create a db every possible time? | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Yeah, maybe create the session per request :) | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: That way we can actually use all the magic SQLAlchemy ORM things and have records be cached :) | 16:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: yes, create it with a hook and save in a request field | 16:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | request is available everuwhere, so the session will also be | 16:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I can take that too | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: We’ll need to have a couple of helper methods for independend threads like the workers. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | #action NikitaKonovalov Smart DB Session management. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Ok, let’s move on. | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Tags in UI | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Any more questions on that? | 16:28 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nope | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress (yolanda) | 16:29 |
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| krotscheck | What’cha working on? | 16:29 |
| yolanda | i need reviews for the integration tests | 16:29 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/150743 | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: ^^ | 16:30 |
| jeblair | cool, will do | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | Thanks :) | 16:30 |
| yolanda | also i have thsi pending https://review.openstack.org/152133 | 16:30 |
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| yolanda | and need another +2 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151630/ | 16:30 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: we don't have any branches in storyboard, right? | 16:31 |
| jeblair | we should talk about this because i asked yolanda to remove specificity around branches and i think you asked her to put it back | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Branches in storyboard’s git itself, or branch support? | 16:31 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: branches in storyboard's git repo itself | 16:32 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: do you mean this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150447/ ? | 16:32 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: no, i mean krotscheck's statement "On check and gate: When a change happens in the backend, then all client integration tests on respective master branches must be run against the new backend revision. " | 16:32 |
| yolanda | yes, i removed that comment due to jeblair indications, but then krotscheck asked to do it more clearly | 16:33 |
| yolanda | but it's not branches, it's master branch against current commit id being evaluated | 16:33 |
| jeblair | the reason i suggested we don't talk about that in the spec is that it is overspecifying what will be tested | 16:33 |
| yolanda | jeblair, i think that it makes sense to specify it | 16:33 |
| jeblair | except it's wrong | 16:33 |
| jeblair | zuul may decide to test the master branch of _no_ component | 16:34 |
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| yolanda | i want to test my current commit id agains the master of the oposite component | 16:34 |
| yolanda | against | 16:34 |
| yolanda | what's wrong there? | 16:34 |
| jeblair | so the correct thing to have in the spec is something like "zuul-cloner checks out the revisions to test and we run tests" | 16:34 |
| yolanda | but i need to tell zuul-cloner which components it needs | 16:35 |
| jeblair | yolanda: because there may be a change to the other component ahead in the queue, in which case the test will be your change with the other components change. no master involved. | 16:35 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yes you do | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | That makes more sense. | 16:36 |
| jeblair | yolanda: and if there were multiple _branches_ (like stable, etc, you would need to tell zuul-cloner if you wanted to do something unusual (like test master against stable) but that doesn't apply here) | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | Ok, I withdraw my comment. | 16:36 |
| yolanda | ok, so just defaulting zuul-cloner will do the right thing for us? | 16:36 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yep. if we want to include text about how that will happen and why, that's fine.. | 16:37 |
| yolanda | at least some text about the components involved | 16:37 |
| jeblair | after all the point of the spec is to make sure we're on the same page | 16:37 |
| yolanda | ok, i understand now | 16:37 |
| jeblair | i just don't want us to think "this should always checkout master" or something | 16:37 |
| yolanda | i was thinking that, yes | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | Basically each repository under test is a tree of dependencies, and zuul-cloner walks down that tree to make sure everything remains reasonably kosher. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | I was under the impression that we only really care about that-thing-that-merges-next. | 16:38 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-diskimage-builder-python26/477/parameters/ | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | Or do I misunderstand? | 16:38 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: that's a change in the gate pipeline right now | 16:38 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: ZUUL_CHANGE_IDS = 153876,1 153742,1 152092,4 154042,2 153041,1 148436,5 148437,6 153451,4 154045,1 | 16:38 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: all of those changes are being tested together | 16:38 |
| yolanda | jeblair , so it's considering master but adding all the changes that will be affecting and merge to master in the future? | 16:39 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: more or less -- it serializes the dependencies | 16:39 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yep | 16:39 |
| yolanda | ok, got it | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Well, that was enlightening. | 16:39 |
| yolanda | that's even better, so we don't fall into race conditions | 16:39 |
| jeblair | yep. and i'm almost done adding support for Depends-On in commit messages, so this can even work in the check pipeline | 16:40 |
| jeblair | (you can have a client change that Dpends-On: a server change and they will always be tested together) | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Oh, nice. | 16:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | nice | 16:40 |
| mrmartin | awesome | 16:40 |
| yolanda | useful! | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Alright! yolanda: anything else? | 16:41 |
| yolanda | done | 16:41 |
| yolanda | i'll amend the spec and i hope to find some hole to work on | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | #topic In Progress (krotscheck) | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | I did a bunch of OAuth things, looks like I have one more thing to test. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | I did a bit of work on notifications, and did a bunch of email rebasing. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | But no actual progress on those. Hoping to get back to those this week and (optimally) land email. | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | No progress on storyboard-dev.openstack.org, but it’s on my list. | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | (that requires puppet changes) | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress (rcarrillocruz) | 16:43 |
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| rcarrillocruz | the notification hook now passes on previous resource state | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Which is AWESOME. | 16:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | with that landed (about an hour ago), i can continue doing the replay/reconnect piece | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Nice. | 16:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | i also looked at the ops side of allowing websockets with Apache, I'm hoping to send concurrent changes this week to etherpad and storyboard manifests (which both use websockts, primer with SocketIO latter with Tornado) | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Neat. | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | Anything else? | 16:47 |
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| krotscheck | #topic In Progress (jedimike) | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | He’s… not around. | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress (NikitaKonovalov) | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | Last one’s the best one! | 16:48 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so I've spent quite a lot of time on looking through API an setting error/succes codes everywhere | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and there is a change to the client to support exceptions | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153217/ this onw | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | *one | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | That seems sane. Is there test coverage on that code already? | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | i agree about non monkey patching... that can lead to difficult things to debug if there are problems with the code | 16:50 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I'll do unit tests, but once we have intergration tests against api then we are talking about coverage :) | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | True. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | I dunno, when I think code coverage I think back to my java days and cobertura. | 16:52 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | some small improvements https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152515/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153968/ | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I actually hope to get back to SDK and cover the rest of endpoints asap | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | Anything else? We might actually get around to Open Discussion this time :) | 16:53 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no more updates breom me | 16:54 |
| NikitaKonovalov | *from | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| krotscheck | Woohoo | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | 5 minutes? | 16:55 |
| ttx | yay | 16:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | that must be a record :D | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | I know, right? | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | What’s up, veryone? | 16:55 |
| yolanda | i filed a vbrownbag talk about storyboard for Vancouver | 16:56 |
| yolanda | let's hope they accept it | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 16:56 |
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| yolanda | there is a "Women of Openstack" journey so I bet they will | 16:56 |
| ttx | I talked about Storyboard at FOSDEM, good reception | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | I just got an SB talk through HP Talk Preapproval. | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | ttx: YEah, I actually heard good things about that from nibalizer | 16:57 |
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| ttx | it was just 5 min, just to make it appear on the radar | 16:57 |
| ttx | In other news, Launchpad is actually getting proper git support | 16:57 |
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| ttx | but they still don't plan to fix the blueprints side | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | Define “proper”? | 16:58 |
| yolanda | do they have someone working on launchpad? | 16:58 |
| ttx | yolanda: yes. The incredible cjwatson | 16:59 |
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| yolanda | that's more than when i was there | 16:59 |
| ttx | yolanda: actually Canonical has a lot of needs for Lp (hardly surprising) so they realized they couldn't let it die | 16:59 |
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| rcarrillocruz | oh? | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Time’s up, everyone. Have a great day! | 17:00 |
| ttx | proper as in "same level of support as bzr" | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 17:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | THank you krotscheck :) | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 9 17:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | hey all o/ | 17:00 |
| naohirot | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
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| Nisha | o/ | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:00 |
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| Shrews | ahoy! | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | howdy ya'all | 17:01 |
| naohirot | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ :) | 17:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:01 |
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| maurosr | \o | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: is getting some coffee so may be a minute late | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | announcements: | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | one meetup (sprint) down | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | another (in San Fran) in a couple of days | 17:02 |
| jroll | woohoo | 17:02 |
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| jgrimm | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | whos going to be at the SF sprint | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | last week's sprint went very well, IMHO | 17:02 |
| Shrews | o/ | 17:02 |
| wanyen | o/ | 17:02 |
| * jroll is already there | 17:02 | |
| * GheRivero says hi | 17:03 | |
| NobodyCam | ahh welcone devananda :) awesome to hear | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | hi GheRivero :) | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 that was great | 17:03 |
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| devananda | with ~10 ppl, it felt like we all were able to actually get things done | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | saw some great ski photos :) | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | :D | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) anything else for announcements? | 17:04 |
| devananda | just one | 17:04 |
| devananda | kilo-2 was tagged last week, for those who weren't watching | 17:04 |
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| devananda | for the list of what blueprints were completed: https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-2 | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:05 |
| devananda | I have yet to post a complete CHANGELOG, but will try to do that today | 17:05 |
| devananda | that's it for me | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | I also sow a couple bp got bumped to k3 | 17:05 |
| devananda | yah. anything not done by thursday was bumpbed automatically | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:06 |
| jroll | wow, 40 bugfixes, love it | 17:06 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 17:06 |
| rloo | yay to everyone (us) for contributing to kilo-2 :-) | 17:06 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo- | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | doh | 17:06 |
| wanyen | deva, like toadd secure boot to kilo3 | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | did we get a status report after last weeks meeting? | 17:06 |
| jroll | I've been really bad about sending subteam reports :/ | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:07 |
| jroll | is there anyone else willing to do that, that can do a better job? | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | it was kinda a small meeting lastweek | 17:07 |
| rloo | jroll: I can help you | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: that would be great, even just a reminder would help :) | 17:07 |
| rloo | jroll: we can discuss how many beers later ;) | 17:08 |
| jroll | also, sorry IPA broke the gate :P | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: can I ginve you a #action item for that? | 17:08 |
| jroll | haha | 17:08 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: yup | 17:08 |
| devananda | wanyen: I'll do what I can with Nova to get the capabilities change approved over there. I know it's just a small patch.... | 17:08 |
| naohirot | devananda: I'd like to know the status of new state machine transition | 17:08 |
| devananda | wanyen: as far as secure boot, what is the spec name? | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | #action rloo to start helping jroll with status reports after meeting | 17:08 |
| devananda | naohirot: which transition? | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | devvesa, yeah, that patch is also blocking the local boot one | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | hope they accept the FFE | 17:08 |
| naohirot | devananda: I saw your patch https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/e7958dee652ecd961a90eafd2c0411bc464b0adb | 17:09 |
| wanyen | I will find the name for secure boot | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | devvesa, sorry I meant devananda | 17:09 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: capabilities change in Nova is blocking our local boot support? | 17:09 |
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| naohirot | devananda: but there is still NOSTATE here https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/tests/drivers/ilo/test_deploy.py#L388 | 17:09 |
| naohirot | devananda: does that mean that the code transition is still on going? | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah, local boot is set as a capability which is then passed via the Nova Ironic driver to the instance_info | 17:10 |
| jroll | naohirot: that's target_provision_state | 17:10 |
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| jroll | naohirot: where NOSTATE is valid | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | we could change that tho, I was mostly following a spec that was upstream and I took over | 17:10 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: capability for the flavor? hrm | 17:10 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah | 17:11 |
| naohirot | jroll: I see, target_provision_state still is valid to be NOSTATE. | 17:11 |
| * jroll thinks we may be way off topic here on many threads | 17:11 | |
| devananda | naohirot: all "stable" states will continue to have target_provision_state == NOSTATE | 17:11 |
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| wanyen | deva : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135228/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135845/ | 17:11 |
| devananda | jroll: yes :( | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | our agenda is light today | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, jroll yeah we are a bit off, but we can talk about it later... we could do it differently, but I will have to update the spec | 17:11 |
| naohirot | devananda: jroll: I'll check the new state machine blue print again | 17:11 |
| stendulker | devananda: secure boot spec for ilo drivers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135228/ | 17:12 |
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| Nisha | devananda, one query(may be we can take up in open dsicussion)...dtantsur has posted a comments states patch for inspection that the transient state INSPECTED may not be needed noe | 17:12 |
| devananda | #action devananda to update launchpad status for several approved specs | 17:12 |
| devananda | ok, we've really gone off topic now folks | 17:13 |
| Nisha | s/noe/now | 17:13 |
| devananda | this should be a time for driver maintainers to share their status | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | anything else on subteam status' | 17:13 |
| devananda | wanyen was pointing out that the ilo driver has some approved specs that are not targeted or reflected in launchpad | 17:13 |
| rloo | question about IPA breaking the gate -- is there no way to see if it breaks the gate first, before making the change? | 17:13 |
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| jroll | rloo: the nova configdrive patch landed, and that's when it broke, configdrive was not being tested in gate previously | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: thats tuff at least how I see things | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: ahh. ok thx | 17:14 |
| devananda | #action devananda and wanyen to work with Nova team to try to land the capabilities-related change to ironic driver | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, oh didn't know that | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: ipa has tempest jobs that test ipa with ironic, ironic has tempest jobs that test ipa with ironic, it should generally be fine | 17:14 |
| wanyen | deva, tx | 17:14 |
| jroll | nova only has tempest jobs for ironic with pxe_ssh | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: did you get ffe for that? | 17:14 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: no worries, not your fault, apparently partprobe doesn't work on the VMs that the ssh driver uses :| | 17:15 |
| devananda | adam_g hasn't chimed in yet, but I believe he started looking at tempest-lib'ifying our functiona ltests | 17:15 |
| Nisha | NobodyCam, requested FFE in mailing list already | 17:15 |
| devananda | eg, moving them out of tempest and into ironic's tree last week | 17:15 |
| wanyen | I submitted ffe but I have not got approval | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, urgh... I see | 17:15 |
| jroll | devananda: +1 | 17:15 |
| devananda | AIUI there is still a lot of work to do there, not just in Ironic, so there was no concrete progress | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | is there a #link for the request we can post here? | 17:15 |
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| devananda | on the oslo side, I believe the oslo'ification of the Object code is still blocked on dhellmann. and not really a priority for anyone this cycle | 17:16 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg45394.html | 17:16 |
| devananda | oh, and one more thing | 17:17 |
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| devananda | I proposed a novel change to how we classify drivers | 17:17 |
| devananda | to make it more clear which drivers are meant for production -- and which are meant for testing environments | 17:17 |
| devananda | I'm raising it here because it affects driver maintainers (which is what this section is about) | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056256.html | 17:18 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152056/ | 17:18 |
| devananda | I would like to elicit feedback from the driver authors on this patch before doing any more work on it | 17:18 |
| devananda | on teh review -- not right now :) | 17:19 |
| devananda | ok, that's all for me. any other last words before we move on? | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | should we update the #topic? | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:19 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I will shortly | 17:19 |
| naohirot | devananda: I'll certainly take a look | 17:20 |
| devananda | naohirot: thanks | 17:20 |
| naohirot | devananda: you are welcome | 17:20 |
| devananda | #topic whether or not RAID should have a separate interface | 17:20 |
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| devananda | rameshg87: you're up -- anything to discuss? | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | this spec landed on friday | 17:20 |
| rameshg87 | there were some opinion that for raid configuration should use management interface instead of a new RAIDInterface | 17:21 |
| rameshg87 | there were people for it and against it | 17:21 |
| rameshg87 | so just thought we could discuss it out here. spec has landed by the way. but i would like to get everyone's thoughts | 17:21 |
| rloo | what was decided? | 17:21 |
| devananda | rameshg87: can you summarize both sides of the debate? | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | what are the pos/cons people pointed out? | 17:22 |
| rloo | link to spec? | 17:22 |
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| rameshg87 | rloo, raid configuration on bare metal node requires methods | 17:22 |
| rameshg87 | rloo, i meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135899/ | 17:22 |
| devananda | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/kilo/ironic-generic-raid-interface.html | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135899/ | 17:22 |
| mrda-sfo | \o | 17:22 |
| rameshg87 | raid configuration requires methods to create and delete the raid configurations on bare metal node | 17:22 |
| jroll | my only concern with the RAIDInterface is that our driver matrix is growing at an exponential rate, and we need to find a better way to handle it | 17:23 |
| rameshg87 | currently proposed one is a new RAIDInterface which will be a new attribute to the driver | 17:23 |
| rameshg87 | as opposed to we could be having the new methods in ManagementInterface itself | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | we need to rething how we're naming our drivers | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | jroll, we already have it pretty insane :D | 17:23 |
| jroll | right | 17:24 |
| devananda | rameshg87: what is the benefit to using a separate interface? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | (and we used to have for some time, if we count console and vendor interfaces) | 17:24 |
| rloo | will the RAIDInterface be a standard interface? (I should read the spec before asking) | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, I assume it's | 17:24 |
| jroll | I don't want to necessarily block this on that fact, however I think we really need to start figuring this ouy | 17:25 |
| jroll | s/ouy/out/ | 17:25 |
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| lucasagomes | core is only what is really needed to put workload on a node | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | like power and deploy | 17:25 |
| rameshg87 | devananda, my opinion it's just the cleaner approach. raid being new functionality that we introduce could demand it's own interface | 17:25 |
| devananda | jroll: let's dive into that this week, then. I think we are all concerned about it | 17:26 |
| jroll | indeed | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | but idk, RAID is a very vendor specific thing no? | 17:26 |
| devananda | one aspect to point out -- having this as a separate interface means that support for it is discoverable in the REST API | 17:26 |
| devananda | via node-validate | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, management should be common ground across drivers | 17:27 |
| devananda | if it were part of ManagementInterface, then all nodes that support the management functions would need to support RAID as well | 17:27 |
| devananda | which they may not | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | devananda, ++ | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, they can't not | 17:27 |
| devananda | or it would violate the API contract whereby a driver supports only some of the management commands but not all | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | can not* | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | + | 17:27 |
| rloo | console is in ManagementInterface and that isn't supported by all drivers | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | that's my reason why I prefer it in a separated interface | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | but well, I could argue both sides really | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, console is a separate interface IIRC | 17:28 |
| devananda | rloo: that makes me sad. I like things to be consistent. want to file a bug? | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, is it? | 17:28 |
| * rloo checks | 17:28 | |
| rameshg87 | rloo, may be sensors | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah console is separated | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | sensors is mgmt | 17:28 |
| devananda | oh yah. console is separate | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | rloo, yeah, console is separate | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | I thouht it was | 17:28 |
| * rloo wrong. Sorry, it was sensors I was thinking of. | 17:29 | |
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| lucasagomes | maybe we should brainstorm, what should be part of each interface | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | come up with some guides | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | very clear | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | maybe in SF | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, could be, but keep me in the loop pls :( I won't make it to SF unfortunately | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | ya ofc :) | 17:30 |
| devananda | isn't thatd already be documented in-line? if not, it should be | 17:30 |
| devananda | on the drivers/base.py module | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | """Interface for management related actions.""" | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | not very specific | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I feel a clearity doc would only help | 17:30 |
| devananda | yup | 17:30 |
| devananda | it definitely is | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | my only concern is keeping it up to daye | 17:31 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: look down. each method on taht interface has a doc string | 17:31 |
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| devananda | and they're all abstract | 17:31 |
| devananda | so any driver implementing ManagementInterface has to implement those | 17:31 |
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| devananda | anyway, if folks feel that can be improved -- please feel free to do so :) | 17:31 |
| devananda | I just want to avoid havign docs in two places for the same thing | 17:31 |
| rloo | devananda: I think they implement and return some NotImplemented exception | 17:31 |
| devananda | rloo: oh. that's ... bad | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right, I was thinking about new methods... like if you want to add support for something, should it go to the mgmt interface ? e.g is it something common which all drivers could implement | 17:32 |
| devananda | drivers shouldn't get to say "I'm only half a driver" and still be allowed in tree | 17:32 |
| * lucasagomes not sure, thinking out of loud here | 17:32 | |
| devananda | vendor_passthru is the place for that | 17:32 |
| devananda | anyway ... we're now quite far off topic again :) | 17:32 |
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| rloo | eg get_sensors_data | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | heh yeah, let's talk about it later | 17:33 |
| devananda | this sounds like a good discussion to have at the meetup, too | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | add to the SF agenda :) | 17:33 |
| devananda | #topic is the install-guide complete, w.r.t. neutron setup? | 17:33 |
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| devananda | mjturek1: hi! you're up | 17:33 |
| mjturek1 | hey! really nothing urgent, but just thought I'd bring it up here. | 17:33 |
| mjturek1 | I noticed a missing step in the installation guide last week (subnet creation step -- already patched and committed). | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | mjturek1: and thank you for your doc patch for subnet setup | 17:34 |
| mjturek1 | which had me wondering how complete the guide is as I've had some issues with getting a setup working using it, though it may be some networking problems on my end. | 17:34 |
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| mjturek1 | NobodyCam np :) | 17:34 |
| mjturek1 | There is already an initiative to get the installation guide improved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1323589 | 17:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323589 in Ironic "Installation guide needs updating" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Chris Krelle (nobodycam) | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | mjturek1: there is always room to improve our docs | 17:34 |
| mjturek1 | NobodyCam, very true. Just wanted to push to possibly get a few more eyes on it (the guide and the bug page). | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | me? | 17:34 |
| devananda | mjturek1: good question. I believe haomeng had been doing some work on that | 17:34 |
| devananda | mjturek1: but largely it's user contributed, so please continue fixing things you find missing | 17:35 |
| mjturek1 | devananda, okay fair enough :) will do | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | awesome thank you mjturek1 :) | 17:35 |
| mjturek1 | thanks! | 17:35 |
| devananda | mjturek1: cheers. thank you! | 17:35 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:35 |
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| NobodyCam | wow OD with > 20 minutes | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | thats a first :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | oh .. so I do need to ask folks about the summit | 17:36 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:36 |
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| devananda | #topic summit planning | 17:36 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, wanna talk about the local boot capabilities thing? | 17:36 |
| Nisha | i have a question to ask in open-discussion | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | oh ok, wait for OD again | 17:36 |
| devananda | usually the layout of design summit sessions is done a little later | 17:36 |
| jroll | heh | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | I'll be driving up to SF tomorrow and mostly off line | 17:36 |
| devananda | but ttx needs us to decide soon how many sessions we want to have | 17:37 |
| jroll | devananda: all the sessions | 17:37 |
| mrda-sfo | +1 :) | 17:37 |
| devananda | split between big "fishbowl" style -- everyone in a big room | 17:37 |
| ttx | devananda: or at least provide a wild guess | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, what I really felt on the last summit is that when we got the room for ourselfs | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | for half a day it was very productive | 17:37 |
| devananda | and smaller "working" sessions where it's just us and a whiteboard, basically | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | better than having sessions the normal way | 17:37 |
| devananda | and then whether we have half or a whole day on friday | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | if we could have a room for at least one full day, that would be awesome | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | my impression is that "us and a whiteboard" works much better | 17:37 |
| devananda | the "workign" sessions are a new style we have never had before | 17:38 |
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| lucasagomes | we could have a normal session for operators give feedback tho | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | idk how much it worked last time, but it's good to keep it open | 17:38 |
| rloo | the fishbowl sessions were useful for ^^ what lucasagomes just said | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | I kinda felt like we had to many seesions last summit, I would vote to limit topics | 17:38 |
| devananda | here's what I'm leaning towards -- 2 fishbowl sessions (one general project things and one for operators) 6 working sessions (for what ever) and then a whole day friday | 17:39 |
| mrda-sfo | I liked the unstructured time, although most people just hung around the state machine discussion, and very little other work was done. So I think we need a mix of both. | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, sounds good | 17:39 |
| rloo | what's the diff between working sessions, whole day Friday? | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | I say that only because I missed a bunch of the state stuff which if we had all been focused *may* have landed quicker | 17:39 |
| devananda | rloo: working sessions are on tue/wed/thur | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | like a hackaton I believe ? | 17:40 |
| rloo | devananda: but what is done at working sessions that is diff than what we'd do on Friday? | 17:40 |
| devananda | we can do less working sessions if we think we'll want to be in other tracks | 17:40 |
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| devananda | eg, nova, cross-project, etc | 17:40 |
| devananda | rloo: only that they have a formal topic and get listed in the schedule | 17:40 |
| devananda | rloo: well, and we could NOT give them a formal topic, if we wanted to | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | I like the two Fishbowl sessions and rest as working | 17:41 |
| devananda | but they COULD have one. whereas friday definitely does not have a presence in the scheduling app | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | the large fihbowls tend to side track | 17:41 |
| rloo | devananda: so working sessions would sort of be/replace the pod stuff that didn't work | 17:41 |
| devananda | rloo: exactly | 17:41 |
| devananda | there will be no pods this time | 17:41 |
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| devananda | it sounds like I'm hearing that folks like my suggestion of 2 fishbowl / 6 working / unstructured all day friday | 17:42 |
| jroll | seems fine to me | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | ++ here | 17:42 |
| rloo | interesting. I guess it depends on what the other projects do too. cuz before we'd sit in on nova etc sessions, I don't know now if those would be fishbowl or working. | 17:42 |
| devananda | rloo: taht's up to those PTLs ... I dont know either at this point | 17:42 |
| rloo | how many fishbowl did we have last summit? | 17:43 |
| devananda | rloo: 5 | 17:43 |
| devananda | and a half day friday, and no working sessions | 17:44 |
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| devananda | thanks for the input, everyone | 17:44 |
| rloo | hmm. am worried that 2+6 would be too many, if people want to attend others that overlap, but we could try and see. | 17:44 |
| * mrda-sfo thinks we were a little light on with sessions last summit, fwiw | 17:45 | |
| NobodyCam | rloo: I'm sure we can adjust as the other sessions harden there paln | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | plans even | 17:45 |
| rloo | haha, I thought NobodyCam said 'pain'. | 17:45 |
| devananda | we're always trying something new as things keep changing rapidly :) | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | we probably will re-revise it when they start making the conference schedule | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:45 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:45 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, yo | 17:46 |
| rloo | microversioning -- should we announce/mention how to use it? | 17:46 |
| devananda | rloo: yes! | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, so, I thought it would make sense to say, give me a machine with local boot and using flavor as the way to ask for it | 17:46 |
| * lucasagomes maybe I was wrong? | 17:46 | |
| devananda | rloo: folks should read the nova spec | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | do we need a how to bump the microversion type doc? | 17:46 |
| devananda | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/approved/api-microversions.html | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | or is spec good enough? | 17:47 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: sure, that's fine... though I don't know that the user always cares. or maybe the operator wants to decide (make all flavors localboot?) | 17:47 |
| wanyen | lucasgomes, +1 | 17:47 |
| Nisha | INSPECTED - should this state be removed? | 17:47 |
| devananda | Nisha: why? | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah, exactly it's possible | 17:47 |
| rloo | I think we need something more than spec. The spec mentions using decorators that we're not using. | 17:47 |
| Nisha | devananda, there is a suggestion from dtantsur on code changes for inspection | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sounds like an operator decision to me whether the instances will always localboot or only some of them will | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | Nisha: #link? | 17:47 |
| devananda | rloo: refactoring what we have to use decorators ++ | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I'm a bit confused by these *ED states | 17:48 |
| Nisha | so just wanted to have everyone's opinion | 17:48 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: ok, maybe it's fine, I just haven't thought about it much | 17:48 |
| Nisha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147857/ | 17:48 |
| devananda | rloo: or something else, maybe something like version-utils | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | ty :) | 17:48 |
| devananda | on the *ED states, my intent was to provide an optional hook for additional call backs | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, cool, np, yeah we can think over it | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | see if it really makes sense | 17:48 |
| jroll | yep :) | 17:48 |
| Nisha | devananda, one ques then how does the node then move from *ED (INSPECTED) to some stable state (in thi case MANAGEABLE) | 17:49 |
| devananda | Nisha: on the completion of what ever callback is triggered by INSPECTED, the "done" action would move it to the next state, namely MANAGEABLE | 17:50 |
| Nisha | devananda, in my code changes i am not sure when to move the node from INSPECTED to MANAGEABLE | 17:50 |
| devananda | Nisha: however, since no drivers are using this now, I'm fine if we skip over that transition | 17:50 |
| devananda | Nisha: or if we implement it as a no-op | 17:50 |
| Nisha | devananda, ok | 17:51 |
| devananda | but for example, I can envision the CLEANED state performing a re-verification of the node before moving it to MANAGEABLE | 17:51 |
| wanyen | no-op sounds more flexible | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | +1 for no-op in that case | 17:51 |
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| JoshNang | hmm i like that idea for CLEANED | 17:51 |
| devananda | no-op would be my preference | 17:52 |
| JoshNang | +1 | 17:52 |
| mrda-sfo | +1 | 17:52 |
| Nisha | ok :) | 17:52 |
| wanyen | +1 | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | ok, it's clearer now :) | 17:52 |
| devananda | #agreed implement the CLEANED state transition using a no-op for now, to allow it to be extended by drivers later on | 17:52 |
| Nisha | devananda, its INSPECTED | 17:52 |
| devananda | oops | 17:52 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:52 |
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| dtantsur | CLEANED too | 17:52 |
| devananda | #agreed implement the INSPECTED state transition using a no-op for now, to allow it to be extended by drivers later on | 17:52 |
| rloo | wouldn't we want to do a similar thing for all *ED states? | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | I was asking about it as well IIRC :) | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | sounds like it's *ED states | 17:53 |
| devananda | rloo: yep | 17:53 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:53 |
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| devananda | #agreed implement all the *ED state transition using a no-op for now, to allow it to be extended by drivers later on | 17:53 |
| devananda | hehe | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | +1 :) | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 17:53 |
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| wanyen | +1 | 17:54 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: as far as "how and when do we bump the API microversion" -- I think that would be a good wiki page | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | developer doc maybe? | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | Five minutes left | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | :) ++ | 17:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: maybe? let's start on wiki to iterate more quickly | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | wiki is good but not sure if many people look at it | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | in the dev docs we have things like how to create a vendor passwhtru method etc | 17:55 |
| mrda-sfo | I think wiki sounds good | 17:55 |
| devananda | especially if rloo is going to encourage us to use a decorator rather than the functional checks I implemented | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | if its there we can reffer (point) folks to it | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ah right, like a draft? | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | ok | 17:55 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: right | 17:55 |
| * rloo stays quiet... | 17:55 | |
| mrda-sfo | but how do we go about reordering, when a patch gets delayed and a later revision lands before the earlier one? | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | cool :) | 17:55 |
| * lucasagomes assigns the work to rloo | 17:55 | |
| NobodyCam | mrda-sfo: example? | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | jk :) | 17:55 |
| devananda | mrda-sfo: that's going to be tricky. but we have the same challenge with the RPC API | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | oh for versoning | 17:56 |
| devananda | when ever there are multiple changes affecting either RPC or micro API, those authors will need to, you know, talk with each other to coordinate | 17:56 |
| mrda-sfo | So if logical name got delayed, and 1.6 needed to land... | 17:56 |
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| devananda | and coordinate with some core reviewers about what order to land them in | 17:56 |
| devananda | it's not a perfect system ... | 17:57 |
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| rloo | mrda-sfo: you'd have to rebase + update your change. | 17:57 |
| devananda | mrda-sfo: also, I'd *really* like logical names to land this week | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | yeah the comments on the top of the version | 17:57 |
| mrda-sfo | sure, no probs with that | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | may cause a merge failed (I expect it too) | 17:57 |
| mrda-sfo | it's just managing the change on a wiki or whatevs | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | we could also patch both conflicting patches to swap the version # if needed | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | since the descriptions of what was added are different across diff patches | 17:57 |
| rloo | how do users know what is in which version? | 17:57 |
| mrda-sfo | devananda: Should be fine now, thanks to your fix :) | 17:57 |
| devananda | rloo: we document it in release notes | 17:57 |
| devananda | rloo: is there a more discoverable way via the API ? | 17:58 |
| rloo | devananda: I don't know. Was wondering. Can't remember if the spec mentioned anything about that. | 17:59 |
| devananda | rloo: there's nothing in the nova spec about that, fwiw | 17:59 |
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| rloo | maybe need to enhance the error to add more details like the version | 17:59 |
| devananda | clients can discover the min and max supported version, and clients should be written to expect the behavior according to the version they will request | 17:59 |
| mrda-sfo | I think macking the mapping of revisions to a short description of the new functionality is going to be important | 17:59 |
| devananda | which reminds me | 17:59 |
| rloo | well, that is only useful if you know of a feature | 17:59 |
| mrda-sfo | s/macking/mapping/ | 17:59 |
| devananda | we need to land support for version headers in our client :) | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | Beep * Times up | 18:00 |
| devananda | yup! | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! -- see some of you soon | 18:00 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | +1 (headers) | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 9 18:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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