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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 13:59 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 13:59 |
| huichun | hi | 14:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi | 14:00 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 14:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | o/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| Nikolay_St | yo| | 14:01 |
| weiting | hi | 14:01 |
| egafford | Hello | 14:01 |
| zhidong | hello | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok, so we've got things moving a bit | 14:02 |
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| elmiko | yay | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | _crobertsrh, do you probably have a list of things to promote? | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the change for job execution table has finally got targeted for kilo-3 | 14:03 |
| _crobertsrh | Here's the current list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | and that's a good sign for getting it reviewed | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, we need to make sure that all patches on review have a target milestone | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, nice | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | I don't think we can set that, can we? | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, oh, yeah, i see it updated :) | 14:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: we can't | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, we could prepare a list of the important stuff to promote and ask david-lyle to set milestone for tham | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but horizon cores can | 14:05 |
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| crobertsrh | Right. | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: I think the top section in etherpad is the one to be promoted | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah. Feel free to re-order those items if necessary. | 14:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thanks for keeping it uptodate | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: ok | 14:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've proposed new members to stable main team - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056725.html | 14:07 |
| elmiko | security doc is finally up for review | 14:07 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155052 | 14:07 |
| elmiko | and i've got an idea for a barbican integration spec | 14:08 |
| tmckay | working on solution for hbase jobs, should have a spec today, a few things left to investigate with Oozie | 14:08 |
| Nikolay_St | sahara logging spec is up for discussion/review | 14:08 |
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| Nikolay_St | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154448/ | 14:08 |
| sreshetnyak | i'm working on new integration tests and bug fixing | 14:08 |
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| vgridnev | uploaded new spec to add timeouts for polling processes in sahara | 14:09 |
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| weiting | still working on key store value integration test for cdh plugin, I got one issue about the memory size is too small since our test case provide more services. | 14:09 |
| egafford | Thanks SergeyLukjanov (re: stable maint.) Working with TripleO guys on Sahara integration; commits are pending the arrival of some hardware to field a dev environment. | 14:10 |
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| huichun_ | tmckay: thank you Mckay | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, are you probably going to the tripleo meetup? | 14:10 |
| tmckay | huichun_, np, did you see my email? | 14:11 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Do you mean meeting (IRC) or meetup (in-person)? | 14:11 |
| tmckay | huichun_, question is the best way to handle sharelib. We might want to use oozie admin and a tarball, still investigating ... | 14:11 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: Trevor. I have read the email already | 14:11 |
| tmckay | huichun_, I hope to have the spec up for comments today | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, meetup | 14:12 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: ok, i will follow up you | 14:12 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: I am not going to an in-person meetup. I am primarily assigned to (and interested in!) Sahara; I've just been assigned to a lot of installer integration projects thus far. | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, oh, ok | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, /me great to here that you're full time assigned to our awesome project :) | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news? | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to release client after the meeting | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 14:14 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, I have to drop. elmiko and I had a question about "recheck" best practices and docs (if any?) for open discussion. I am happy to be on the stable team. No other updates beyond oozie hbase stuff | 14:15 |
| elmiko | no objection here | 14:15 |
| Nikolay_St | try to resolve this bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1396214 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1396214 in Sahara "Sahara image builder should execute 'yum update' during the build image" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Nikolay Starodubtsev (starodubcevna) | 14:15 |
| tmckay | none here | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, what kind of best practices for recheck? | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | is there any official documentation about how recheck works? | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara-ci-recheck could recheck only sahara ci, "recheck" rechecks all CIs | 14:16 |
| elmiko | i've seen recheck, sahara-ci-recheck, recheck-ci, etc... | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh | 14:16 |
| elmiko | is it documented somewhere though? | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any CI should recheck if comments starts with "recheck" | 14:17 |
| mattf | my personal fav: recheck sahara-ci | 14:17 |
| elmiko | seriously, it's some regex check? | 14:17 |
| kchen | hi all, I just have a patch merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154777/, to have cdh 5.3.0 tagged image in image-element. but I am not sure when there will be a corresponding 5.3.0 tagged image registry in ci system? | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it rechecks all CI systems | 14:17 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: Hi Trevor, if we want to add new feature for edp jobs, need to modify the horizon page, so who should we contact? | 14:17 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, yeah, kinda bums me out | 14:17 |
| kchen | we need such a image registry to do our cdh 5.3 test cases... | 14:17 |
| elmiko | huichun_: probably want to start by talking with crobertsrh and NikitaKonovalov | 14:18 |
| elmiko | huichun_: they've done much work with horizon | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, I've found regex links | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here is for the sahara ci - https://github.com/stackforge/sahara-ci-config/blob/master/config/zuul/layout.yaml#L12 | 14:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and for the main jenkins - https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul/layout.yaml#L20 | 14:19 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, huichun. I can probably help. If there is a spec, you can probably put my name in there for dashboard stuff. | 14:19 |
| huichun_ | crobertsrh: thx crobertsrh | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should ask degorenko to add CDH 5.3 image and jobs to sahara-ci and disable 5.0 | 14:20 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: you will have some horizon page modification in your specs, right? | 14:21 |
| kchen | Sergey, we can keep both 5.0 and 5.3 tags. so that we can use it for both test. | 14:21 |
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| huichun_ | tmckay: btw, i have replied your email, that hbase classpath is not platform specific, i have tested | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, I mean we'll have CDH tests in sahara-ci only for the latest version | 14:23 |
| huichun_ | elmiko: thx elmiko | 14:23 |
| kchen | SergeyLukjanov: if we only test latest version, need we preserve other versions in cdh plugin? | 14:24 |
| weiting | sergey: why sahara-ci only test for the latest one? | 14:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, weiting, it's just a question about lack of the resource to test all configurations | 14:25 |
| weiting | sergey: could we remove 5.0 for cdh? | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | was it released as part of the Juno release/ | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if yes we could deprecate it in kilo and remove in liberty | 14:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss folks? | 14:32 |
| elmiko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155052 <--- please review =) | 14:32 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thank you folks | 14:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 14:36:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-12-14.00.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-12-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-12-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:59 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 14:59 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 14:59 |
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| amuller | hiya | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 15:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any announcements for today? I don’t think I have any. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Looking at the meeting page, I need to update it. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve heard the name of the L release will be Liberty. Is that right? | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Also, keep a close eye on the kilo release schedule. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | March 19th will come very soon. If history is a good indicator, the gate will get crazy and it will be difficult to get stuff in the last week or son. | 15:03 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Yes Liberty | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | s/son/so/ | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any bugs that we should be aware of? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m not aware of any new ones. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Any discussion needed here? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | This is going well. Once I can finish my latest patch, I think pretty much all of the router logic will be moved to the router classes. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154513/ | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks to all of you who have pitched in with patches and reviews. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss about restructuring? | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: pavel_bondar: salv-orlando: ping | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | pong | 15:08 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr too | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we’ve got one open issue with the interface. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134339/ | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | That is how to update IPAM with changes in the subnet. | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | yes - also i want to verify that the subnet request will contain a pre-generated subnet_id, even though it has not yet been allocated | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | at least, that's what the interface is implying now | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: That is what I was thinking. Do you think that will work? | 15:11 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: sure, that should be fine. one sec let me go back and read the comments | 15:12 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok, so the discussion on PS 18 line 221 | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: What about a SubnetUpdateRequest. Very much like SpecificSubnetRequest. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | ? | 15:15 |
| * carl_baldwin just thinking out loud here. | 15:16 | |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: the subnet_id resolves the issue from line 85. but line 221 is talking about the sequencing and where/when the DB object is created and saved and who has that responsibility | 15:16 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: sure, that's possible. but why not just pass the subnet object to the driver and let it decide what to do with it? | 15:16 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: to me, the idea of the request was that we would be allocating based on various criteria. The update isn't to the CIDR, it's just to the name or other meta-data, isn't it? | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Right. | 15:17 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: i guess allocation pools - can the driver reject a change to allocation pool? i would think it would need to be able to | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I think the driver could reject such a change. The current implementation doesn’t but I think it should be able to. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I’ll look at it today. Will you be around in case I want to ping you in openstack-neutron? | 15:19 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes, i should be unless i am in a meeting or something. i do have to leave for a memorial service at 5pm eastern today, though :( | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I’ll plan to get to it well before that then. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: How is the subnet allocation coming? | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok. I am not sure for the need of a special "update request" object - do you see just passing the subnet object as enough? | 15:20 |
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| tidwellr | looking to post a review that is not WIP tonight | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: It might be. I’m going to give it some thought and get back with you. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Great. | 15:22 |
| johnbelamaric | ok | 15:22 |
| tidwellr | just working through some unit tests | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: What parts will this patch cover in all? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I guess all of the CRUD on the pool resource, right? Probably doesn’t touch on allocation of subnets yet. | 15:23 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: it will cover CRUD on subnet pools and everything that goes with that | 15:23 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: no allocation yet | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Do we need to get tempest tests going for this? | 15:24 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: for the allocation component? I would say yes, this is where the rubber meets the road | 15:24 |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr, carl_baldwin: actual allocation will be part of the driver, no? so creation of the pools would be enough, then the driver uses the pool info to do allocations | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | johnbelamaric: when a subnet is requested, the driver still needs to be invoked | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Yes, I believe so. We may need to be a bit creative since this and the drivers are being developed simultaneously. | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: sure. ok - i will go look at the code and see how it will fit together | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I think even the subnet pool CRUD should be covered by tempest. I’ll admit I’ve not written a full tempest test before. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I wonder if we can find someone who would be willing to help us get started with the tempest tests. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Does anyone here have any suggestions for who we might go to for help? | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will look in to getting tempest tests started. | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: talk to mtreinish | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. That is a good idea. | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I might be of some small help. I just don't want to over commit. As you know, I am quite busy with the l3 agent restructuring | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks, we’ll take that in to consideration. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I feel the same way. | 15:31 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: once I get a review up tonight and I could start looking into it | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | tempest sounds like a ramp for most of us here anyway | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I think there are some things that others could pitch in on so that you can start looking to allocation. | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | ok, I'm fine with that, offer still stands though...... | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: great, thanks. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss regarding ipam? | 15:32 |
| pavel_bondar | I will upload new version of re-factoring db_base patch for review aftr meeting | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Great. ping me when you do. | 15:33 |
| pavel_bondar | it will be still WIP, but the approach can be reviewed | 15:33 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: ok, sure | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any dvr folks around today? | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | I couldn’t make the dvr meeting yesterday but will read through the notes. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will catch up on dvr meeting. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | I found that the dvr check job (non-voting) had been failing on the stable branch. I uploaded a backport to fix it. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154576/ | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | That is all I have. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss? | 15:37 |
| amuller | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149647/ is generally ready for review | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks, I’ve actually been watching for an update on that one. | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’ll make it a short meeting then. Thanks everyone. I’ve seen great progress. Keep up the great work. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve got to be offline to ride in to the office but then I plan to be around the rest of the day. | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | ok, bye all | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 15:40:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-12-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-12-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-12-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | bye | 15:40 |
| amuller | toodles | 15:40 |
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| rosmaita | anyone here for API-WG, or am i in wrong channel? | 16:00 |
| ryansb | rosmaita: I am | 16:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 16:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dtroyer | You are in the right place | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Seems etoews can't make it today so I volunteered to take over the hard hard work of chairing today ;) | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| kaufer | hey all | 16:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:02 |
| ryansb | hi | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | did we have an etherpad with the various mission statements? | 16:02 |
| elmiko | yes | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic mission statement | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mission statement (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| elmiko | i don't think it was updated from last time though | 16:02 |
| * sigmavirus24 was going to find that :) | 16:02 | |
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| sigmavirus24 | unless someone else has it | 16:03 |
| edleafe | o/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-mission-statement | 16:03 |
| clu_ | hi | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #info mailing list thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/055763.html | 16:03 |
| ryansb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-mission-statement | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks elmiko | 16:03 |
| ryansb | oop, too slow | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | and ryansb :) | 16:03 |
| elmiko | =) | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | so my impression of the ML discussion is that stefano's is the favorite? | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Or something along those lines, yes | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | (I think etoews had a few changes he wanted to make to it) | 16:05 |
| ryansb | In essence, yes. I (only just posted) that I like how "API user" sounds, but even without that tweak +1 to stefano's | 16:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056441.html | 16:05 |
| elmiko | yea, stefano's is nice | 16:05 |
| cdent | I prefer user to consumer as well, despite the weird connotations of both. | 16:05 |
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| edleafe | +1 to stefano's, even with the excessively long last sentence. :) | 16:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: yeah, why can't we just make up words to avoid overriding syntax in OpenStack? | 16:05 |
| cdent | API flimflam with the frobnitz | 16:06 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: +A | 16:06 |
| ryansb | aaaand openstack-ese was born | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | We want to discuss this further or should we move on? (I'm not really sure what etoews had wanted to say about this) | 16:07 |
| cdent | move on | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action etoews to wrap up conversation on the mailing list and disseminate our mission statement | 16:07 |
| dtroyer | I think stefano's paragraph is a nice explanation/expansion, I still strongly prefer short and concise. but will not hold things up, we spend too much time on this already | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Glance and functional API | 16:07 |
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| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: want to take this one? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: i thought the idea was to have a long version, and a short tweetable version? | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | sure | 16:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-adding-functional-operations-to-api | 16:08 |
| dtroyer | elmiko: tha's cool too | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135122 | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | not much to say, overall issue is "is there a place in openstack API for functional calls, and if so what should they look like?" | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | the idea is that the current RESTful paradigm is extremely document-centric | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | and not everything fits naturally into that paradigm | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | but | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | stuff can be forced into the paradigm if that's what's really wanted | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | so the proposal is to introduce | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | POST /v2/images/{image_uuid}/action/deactivate | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | even though there's no "action"resource | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | (and similar POST to reactivate) | 16:11 |
| elmiko | does there need to be an "action" in the uri? | 16:11 |
| ryansb | I like the idea of tasks as a resource foo/{}/action/frobozzle is ok without an action resource IMO since it acts as a namespace | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think it's also important to note (since I've been involved in this discussion a lot) that the contention is that Glance may do more than just change a status field on the image so this is meant to hide implementation details ideally (taken for granted that the spec in question does nothing other than change the status field iirc) | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also jaypipes had feedback on this coming from Nova but I'm not sure they're around | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: that's basically correct | 16:13 |
| cdent | what about POST /v2/images/{image_uuid}?deactivate or /v2/images{image_uuid};deactivate ? Your resources is still the image, you're just changing its state | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | cdent: well, the key thing is that you are not changing the state, the state machine is under complete control of glance | 16:13 |
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| rosmaita | we don't want anyone to have the impression that it's ok to monkey with state | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | both users and future devs | 16:14 |
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| ryansb | that's why tasks as a resource ae (IMO) better since you are manipulating a *request* not the resource state | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | yeah, except we already have tasks as actual entities | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | this seems a different kind of thing | 16:14 |
| ryansb | hrm. | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | we're requesting a function | 16:15 |
| cdent | how is active or not active not part of the image's state? From the spec being "on hold" sounds exactly like state | 16:15 |
| elmiko | cdent: i would think for a controller-ish action wouldn't it be better to have /v2/images/{id}/deactivate , or is that some sort of badness? | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: the actions part was in there jsut to group these things together | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | don't necessarily have to have it | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | but could keep things neat for later | 16:16 |
| edleafe | elmiko: that looks like 'deactivate' is a resource | 16:16 |
| elmiko | rosmaita: right, except that like you said there is no "action" resource | 16:16 |
| ryansb | +1 on grouping | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: correct, no action resource, it's a function | 16:16 |
| cdent | elmiko I prefer to put the resource and nothing else in the path part of the URI to preserve the sense to which it is an identifier | 16:16 |
| elmiko | edleafe: i thought these type of endpoints were ok for exposing controller type actions? | 16:16 |
| elmiko | cdent: got it | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | we could replace "action" with "function" ... would that be more clear? | 16:17 |
| edleafe | cdent: I like your idea, but with this tweak: POST /v2/images/{image_uuid}?action=deactivate | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | "action" is overloaded in openstack | 16:17 |
| cdent | yeah, that's fine edleafe | 16:17 |
| cdent | every word is overload in openstack! :) | 16:17 |
| elmiko | "action" seems fine to me, i was more responding to the idea that /action wasn't a resource | 16:18 |
| ryansb | cdent: not the word "overloaded"...yet | 16:18 |
| dtroyer | does moving the action=<foo> to the query string change the rationale for using POST over PUT? | 16:18 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: replace 'action' with 'task' or 'job' or 'function' or ... | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | well, can't do 'task', it's taken! | 16:18 |
| edleafe | dtroyer: good point | 16:18 |
| cdent | dtroyer: it would need to be POST, for PUT you're supposed to PUT the whole resoruce again | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: except the POST body here is empty | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | (according to the spec) | 16:19 |
| * cdent struggles to type well | 16:19 | |
| cdent | sigmavirus24: yeah, that's okay | 16:19 |
| cdent | (IMO) | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | i'm with cdent on not using PUT | 16:19 |
| salv-orlando | fwiw I too think POST is the appropriate verb here. | 16:19 |
| cdent | PUT has very specific semantics whereas POST is just sort of "aw hell, nothing else fits" | 16:20 |
| cdent | so in this case we are saying "I want to deactivate this image" | 16:20 |
| cdent | that's a server-side state changing operation so thus is POST | 16:20 |
| cdent | whether it has a body or not is not relevant | 16:20 |
| dtroyer | ok…was just reading the rationale, the POST==catch-all bit helps me…move along… | 16:20 |
| salv-orlando | In my understanding POST semantics pretty much means "I instruct you, server, to do this for me" | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's stick with POST, then? everyone OK with that? | 16:21 |
| cdent | +1 | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Seems that way | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also we're nearing on 15 minutes on this ;) | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | next thing would be dtroyer's suggestion of query string instead of resource look | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | (really want to get this settled) | 16:22 |
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| cdent | I'm +1 on query string | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | we discussed & rejected in atlanta, but i can't remember whhy | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: why? | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | may have rejected query string because it confuses things for rate limiting and the controller, maybe? | 16:23 |
| cdent | because it keeps the image being the resource, not some other thing that isn't actually a resource | 16:23 |
| edleafe | cd +1 | 16:23 |
| edleafe | cdent: +1 | 16:23 |
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| dtroyer | it also fits with the notion of instructing the server to do something…we do the same with sort, which changes the servers behaviour | 16:24 |
| * sigmavirus24 wasn't against it, just trying to help everyone understand the reasoning for being +1 on it ;) | 16:26 | |
| elmiko | i'm a little confused about the notion of having endpoints that are not resources. my main expose is the o'reilly book on rest design, but they specify that endpoints for actions are ok under some circumstances, is this generally bad rest practice? | 16:26 |
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| elmiko | *exposure | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: depends on who you ask! | 16:27 |
| elmiko | exactly... lol | 16:27 |
| cdent | elmiko in my experience its okay to have a resource which is an action: for example /differ which takes to args | 16:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: so much of this is subjective IMO | 16:27 |
| cdent | s/to/two | 16:27 |
| cdent | as query parameters | 16:27 |
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| cdent | but if you've already got a resource adding an action on it as a yet another resource is a bit funky | 16:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | Somethings are more widely agreed upon than others though so you have overlapping opinions | 16:27 |
| elmiko | cdent: ok, that clears up the difference | 16:28 |
| rosmaita | i really don't like the query parameter approach, but i can't think of a good argument | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i get it about the opinions, i was just missing the issue about adding on to a resource | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | #startvote Is the API WG's recommendation to use POST with a query parameter, e.g., /images/{id}?action=deactivate, instead of a functional API, e.g., /images/{id}/action/deactivate? | 16:29 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Is the API WG's recommendation to use POST with a query parameter, e.g., /images/{id}?action=deactivate, instead of a functional API, e.g., /images/{id}/action/deactivate? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:29 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:29 |
| cdent | rosmaita: have you considerd a PATCH with a body of '{"active": false}' | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: yes and that was shot down | 16:29 |
| cdent | interesting | 16:29 |
| ryansb | why was PATCH downvoted? | 16:30 |
| ryansb | Seems like a fit to me | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | cdent: doesn't really fit the PATCH semantics | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | well, the key thing is that you can make it look like a PATCH, but it really isn't | 16:30 |
| dtroyer | rosmaita: but does the api caller care? | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | no, but we are thinking of developers here | 16:31 |
| dtroyer | that's who I am talking about | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | the problem is that people come and go on projects | 16:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endvote since we threw a monkey wrench into the discussion | 16:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "Is the API WG's recommendation to use POST with a query parameter, e.g., /images/{id}?action=deactivate, instead of a functional API, e.g., /images/{id}/action/deactivate?" Results are | 16:31 |
| cdent | sorry sigmavirus24 | 16:32 |
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| sigmavirus24 | No need to apologize cdent. i started it too early ;) | 16:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: not to sound like a jerk but, isn't that what specs are for? To document this for future developers on the project? | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | dtroyer: i mean the glance developers ourselves | 16:32 |
| dtroyer | I don't understand why that influences the api design? | 16:32 |
| edleafe | PATCH is simply a partial PUT. It really doesn't fit what we're talking about. | 16:33 |
| dtroyer | it seems to me to be exactly what we are talking about…an api caller things this is a simple state change, internally it is totally something else evidently | 16:33 |
| cdent | edleafe: how so? a patch is what you want to do when you want to change part of a resource rather than replace it | 16:33 |
| cdent | we want to change the resource from active to not active, yes? | 16:34 |
| dtroyer | I suppose my PUT question earlier should have been PATCH… | 16:34 |
| edleafe | cdent: exactly. PUT is when you want to replace it | 16:34 |
| edleafe | cdent: it's more than just changing one thing on a resource, no? | 16:35 |
| * edleafe isn't too familiar with glance internals | 16:35 | |
| miguelgrinberg | sorry to arrive late to the party, but is the discussion now centered on POST vs. PUT vs. PATCH alone? Are we giving up on RESTfulness? | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | dtroyer: not sure this makes sense, but there are some things glance should be in complete charge of. i am afraid that if we make it look like you can change image state, someone will put in a change making that happen | 16:35 |
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| edleafe | miguelgrinberg: quite the opposite | 16:36 |
| dtroyer | but that is exactly what you are doing…an admin who deactivates an image is overriding glance | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: so the thing is that cores will ideally be familiar with the idea that this shouldn't be allowed and block that particular patch | 16:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | edleafe: good, reading now | 16:36 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: one would think so, but i've seen some pretty weird stuff get in | 16:36 |
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| rosmaita | dtroyer: you're not really overriding glance, you are asking glance to make something happen if possible | 16:37 |
| cdent | rosmaita: how does the structure of the url have any bearing on whether or not people will try to use the functionality? | 16:37 |
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| rosmaita | cdent: i mean people maintaining the API | 16:37 |
| dtroyer | rosmaita: I simply do not see how deactivating an image is not a state change, | 16:38 |
| cdent | presumably whatever code path that handles deactivation will be guarded by admin checks that are suitably visible that some subsequent dev will notice? | 16:38 |
| dtroyer | it is called that on line 28 | 16:38 |
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| cdent | if glance doesn't want to do it, it responds with a 40x (probalby 3) | 16:39 |
| cdent | done | 16:39 |
| salv-orlando | dtroyer: it is a state change indeed. But such change is triggered by executed action, rather than by processing the request sent to the server. | 16:39 |
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| salv-orlando | Is this correct? | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i guess it's just an intuition i have. it just seems different to me | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | salv-orlando: yes | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | that's a nice way to put it | 16:40 |
| * jaypipes really despises the /resources/{id}/actions stuff. | 16:40 | |
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| dtroyer | salv-orlando: right, I don't see much difference though, in the semantic game of not saying state change in the api | 16:41 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: what's your feeling on /resources/{id}?actions ? | 16:41 |
| cdent | I think we need vote or punt or we'll be on this the entire meeting. | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | cdent: +1 | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: agreed but wanted rosmaita to not feel like we were trying to delay this more | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | elmiko: I don't like that either :) | 16:42 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: ha! | 16:42 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: how to expose controller type actions then? | 16:42 |
| dtroyer | I'd suggest a deferment and clarify the points at question | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | elmiko: I prefer POST /resources/{id}/tasks with a payload describing the task. | 16:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | dtroyer: seems fair | 16:42 |
| elmiko | dtroyer++ | 16:42 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: got it | 16:42 |
| miguelgrinberg | jaypipes: sorry, but that's still an action, don't like that either | 16:42 |
| cdent | jaypipes-- :) | 16:43 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So we should definitely move this to the Mailing LIst | 16:43 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24++ | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Can we all be more mindful about responding this time? | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | I know rosmaita brought it up there before but got almost no responses | 16:43 |
| miguelgrinberg | either define a resource that represents that action happening or not and edit that resource, or add state to the main resource to indicate if that action needs to occur (i.e. a change of state in the resource) | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Moving on | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic versioning | 16:44 |
| ryansb | yeah, though can folks make sure to use the [API] tag? I missed the mission statement thread for a while because it lacked it | 16:44 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148037/ | 16:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/approved/api-microversions.html | 16:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | Did someone other than etoews add this? | 16:44 |
| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: a task is an object. an action is an action. | 16:45 |
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| rosmaita | jaypipes: +1 | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | jaypipes: we can agree to disagree | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action sigmavirus24 to carry this topic forward to next week | 16:45 |
| jaypipes | :) sure | 16:45 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:46 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-05-00.00.html | 16:46 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Seems all of the previous action items were taken care of. | 16:46 |
| cdent | success! | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic guidelines | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:47 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think we need jaypipes or someone else to abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132248/ | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132248/ | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | We should also try to get more cross-project attention on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147684/ | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | sigmavirus24: done. | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks jaypipes | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: are you around? | 16:48 |
| kaufer | yep | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | Mind if I assign you to grab more eyes on that? | 16:48 |
| kaufer | I'd like to get jaypipes thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147684/ | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action kaufer to get some more input from other project members on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147684/ | 16:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: I would just add that this is necessary only when getting the count can be seen as affecting performance. If not, then APIs are free to always return the count. | 16:49 |
| jaypipes | kaufer: reviewed. | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | heh | 16:50 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Anything else from https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z we want to discuss? | 16:50 |
| miguelgrinberg | so there is a discussion on tags in the Heat channel, I'm thinking in expanding the metadata guideline to include also tags | 16:51 |
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| miguelgrinberg | or would you guys prefer a separate doc? | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: perhaps it'd be better to make that dependent since metadata guidelines are already seemingly controversial | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | #info metadata guideline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ | 16:51 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: would be great to include the server tagging API (from Nova, based heavily on Glance's) in that discussion | 16:51 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: I'd choose separate | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | jaypipes: that's what we were looking at for heat, yes | 16:52 |
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| jaypipes | rock on. | 16:52 |
| miguelgrinberg | okay, I'll do a separate doc on tagging then | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | Cool | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action miguelgrinberg to make a guideline for tagging | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | Other guidelines we want to discuss or should we move on to APIImpact? | 16:53 |
| ryansb | miguelgrinberg: if you'd like a hand I'm happy to help w/ that | 16:53 |
| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: sure, I'll find you when I have a first draft | 16:53 |
| ryansb | sgtm | 16:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | No one seems to object to moving on, so | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic APIImpact | 16:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | Anything anyone wants to point out here? | 16:55 |
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| cdent | guess not? | 16:57 |
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| ryansb | no, looks like most of those are being well-handled by the project team | 16:59 |
| ryansb | *teams | 16:59 |
| miguelgrinberg | the heat tags spec is missing, just added a note for the author to add the flag | 16:59 |
| ryansb | good catch | 16:59 |
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| sigmavirus24 | And we're over time | 17:02 |
| cdent | times up? | 17:02 |
| cdent | jinz | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry about that | 17:02 |
| cdent | x | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Got distracted | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 17:02:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-12-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-12-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-12-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
| elmiko | thanks sigmavirus24 | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry to the next meeting | 17:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: banix mageshgv: hi | 18:00 |
| Yi | Hi Sumit | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: hi good to see you | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 18:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Feb_12th.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-1 for GBP is Feb 16th | 18:02 |
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| banix | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: banix: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| KrishnaK | hi SumitNaiksatam, banix | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per last meeting, i have posted links to the k-1 bugs | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still have quite a few pending (and some new ones are showing up) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last week we took some time to discuss: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1414139 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1414139 in Group Based Policy "RMD assumes implicit driver running" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nice, bot runs now ;-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe Ivar is not here | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if he had a chance to make progress on this | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know he was focussed on fixing some issues in the external connectivity model | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we want to discuss here? any blockers? | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you were mentioning that you had some sqlalchemy issues? | 18:06 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:06 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1383947 is high and for k-1, but my comment recommends postponing until later | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1383947 in Group Based Policy "subnet mapping broken with overlapping ips" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, can you change the milestone to the relevant one? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:07 |
| rkukura | See https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1383947/comments/3 | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we just went past the “"RMD assumes implicit driver running" bug | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything to report on that? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oops, seems to have lost him | 18:07 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: do'h | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: were you able to see the backscroll? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was just checking if you wanted to dicuss "RMD assumes implicit driver running" bug? | 18:10 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I have no progress on that side, I was wondering if we should adopt the "validator" phase solution or if we should wait after the refactor instead | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: can quickly summarize “validator phase” solution? | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: of course if we plan on keeping the current ML2 architecture as is the order really doesn't matter | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i would say it depends on how critical this issue is | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently its marked as medium | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if so we can potentially wait | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but if its actually higher priority, we should fix the issue before refactor (and bump up the priority of this bug) | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont anticipate the first phase of the refactor to do away with current ML2-like arch | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think we will need more discussion on that, and its not preferable to hold up the other refactor effort for that discussion | 18:13 |
| rkukura | Is there a requirement to run without IPD? | 18:14 |
| rkukura | I mean a short-term requirement. I agree we shouid fix this eventually. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe the suggestion is that the RMD should be self contained | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: in that it doesnt assume resource dependencies exist | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not aware of the immediate short term requirement, perhaps ivar-lazzaro has run into an issue on account of this? | 18:15 |
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| s3wong | sorry, late | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if ivar-lazzaro is still around or dropped off | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi, np | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as I mentioned earlier we are also catching some issues during the external connectivity testing | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issues have not been filed yet, but will do so soon | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some of them might be backports (fyi - in case you are planning to use the external connectivity model) | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: any service-chain related bugs you need to discuss here? | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | oh, i find a few and have filed them, and have a fix for some of them | 18:19 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: No. I havent made much progress on the current bugs, saw a few new ones and working on those at present | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was having issues with the one-convergence tests | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i will sync with you offline | 18:19 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Fine, we can discuss offline | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we can add a pre-processing phase (or validator) *before* the DB transaction starts | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just a reminder folks, K-1 is feb-16th | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | therefore before the pre-commit | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | in which the implicit mapping can do the object creation | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so that the pre-commit phase will already be seeing the full chain of objects produced by a given call | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and can validate properly | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The issue has a workaround (always run the Implicit Policy Driver) | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I think that's fair | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:20 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | ok I got back after a pretty bad connection time :) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding the deadline - if an issue is assigned to you and is targeted for k-1, please respond to that launchpad with an update | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: thanks for fixing the bug in your plate, it it merged now? | 18:21 |
| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: Not yet merged. Need review of this bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153900/ | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: hi cores, can you please take a look at ^^^ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153900/ | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pretty straightforward | 18:23 |
| rkukura | I’ll review that today | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: you had another one in your plate i believe? | 18:24 |
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| KrishnaK | rkukura. Thx. | 18:24 |
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| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: yes. I'll look at other bug soon. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: thanks | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general, if anyone has a pending review and is not getting reviewer attention please yell! :-) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or get in touch with me | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we also have the #openstack-gbp channel | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and a bunch of the cores are there on that channel | 18:25 |
| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: Thx for that info. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (i would request all cores to log in whenever convenient) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: not specifically target at you, i know you have been trying your best to get attention :-) | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay if nothing else on the pending bugs, lets move on | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic “Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs” | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153126 | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe Yi is here | 18:26 |
| Yi | yes, I am here | 18:26 |
| Yi | I was able to use the RESTful API to create network | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i responded to the spec yesterday (had some very minor comments, mostly in response to Yi’s offline questions) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: thats nice progress! | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else got a chance to look at the above spec | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its really pretty small, so i would appreciate if cores can take a look at it at the earliest | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last week we had an action to provide immediate review comments on this one | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe Yi and yapeng are kind of waiting on a “thumbs-up" for this | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | will do today | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks! | 18:29 |
| Yi | we appreciate it! | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: its good you have the implementation going | 18:29 |
| Yi | That's what I was trying to do. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: please dont hesitate to bug the team if you run into any issues | 18:29 |
| Yi | certainly | 18:29 |
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| Yi | and I need to poll your opinion actually | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as i mentioned before #openstack-gbp can also be a good resource to get immediate attention (and emails will also work) | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yes please | 18:30 |
| Yi | regarding the location of the module | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah okay | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | my suggestion was to use the way nova does it | 18:31 |
| Yi | which would be gbpservice/network/neutronv2 | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah in our case | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if others have differing opinion please comment on the review at the earliest | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and/or here | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay silence is golden - Yi so you can use this module path for now :-) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont hear objections | 18:33 |
| Yi | good :-) | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: any other issues you wanted to discuss? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also mentioned about the neutron client version | 18:33 |
| Yi | ? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the review | 18:33 |
| Yi | I will check it out | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our other gbp projects are using 2.3.9 | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | whereas the latest in 2.3.10 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | until we move the other projects to 2.3.10, we should use 2.3.9 here as well | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the move to 2.3.10 has been targeted for k-2 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so go with 2.3.9 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe you will have to add this to the requirements file | 18:34 |
| Yi | make sense | 18:34 |
| Yi | will do | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: thanks | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: anything else on this? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng not around today? | 18:35 |
| Yi | One thing I do notice is we have dependency on plugin context | 18:35 |
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| Yi | yapeng is in China this week, I believe | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: ah | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: what about the plugin context, is that creating an issue? | 18:36 |
| Yi | not an issue right now, as I can use plugin context directly | 18:36 |
| Yi | but I'd assume later when we have gbp independent, we should not reply on the plugin context? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: i am not fully understanding, but lets take that offline | 18:37 |
| Yi | i.e., to keep the auth_token and other attributes in the context instead of plugin context? | 18:37 |
| Yi | sure, let's discuss it offline | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can i request you to provide Yi some guidance on this if required? | 18:38 |
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| rkukura | Yi: I’d think we’d replace the neutron plugin context with something similar. Sure. | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks! | 18:38 |
| Yi | rkukura: I think that will be fine in the future | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: thanks for the update | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | want to give some time to the next topic | 18:39 |
| Yi | yw | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic “Floating IP Support” | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: over to you | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe you have made some progress? | 18:40 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I am stuck somewhere now though. Will expand on this design | 18:40 |
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| mageshgv | From an api perspective, the idea was to use Network service policy with type ip_pool and value external_subnet to indicate all PTs should get a FIP. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay :-) | 18:41 |
| mageshgv | Another alternative user friendly api option is to extend PTG with a parameter to indicate that all PTs on this PTG should get a floating IP associated. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes, as i recalled from prior discussions in the original GBP spec | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant yes for the earlie alternative | 18:42 |
| rkukura | mageshgv: Can we just infer based on the policies whether a PTG needs FIPs? | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that was idea in encoding that in the Network Service Policy | 18:42 |
| rkukura | I don’t think FIPs should be part of the “intent”. | 18:42 |
| mageshgv | rkukura: right, that is why we were thinking to use Network Service Policy | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think i agree with that | 18:43 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure how we represent external networks, but if there is a policy allowing incoming connections, a FIP is needed. If not, it isn’t. | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: perhaps the alternatives should be captured in the design (in the alternative section) | 18:43 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: okay, will add that too | 18:43 |
| rkukura | “external” here could also mean a different L3P from the same tenant or a different tenant, as well as outside-the-cloud | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv, SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: what about the nat-pool object? | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which already exists from the external connectivity blueprint | 18:44 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: I need to re-read that BP (and code) | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: perhaps good to post the spec at the earliest | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/external-connectivity.rst | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that people can relate to different parts of the model | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | the idea of the NAT pool was to provide a pool of FIPs that all the PT from a given external-segment would be assigned with | 18:46 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: you are correct, we have to use the nat pool to achieve this, but I havent modelled a proper relation with this nat pool yet | 18:46 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: keep in mind that the nat pool is not used today by any driver. So feel free to remove/change it if you think of a better solution | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: my understanding is that the trigger comes from the Network Service Policy (whether to configure FIP or not) | 18:47 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: I also agree a NAT pool is needed by the PTG, but just was thinking whether to allocate a FIP could be inferred. | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: why from NSP? This should be a property of the L3Policy IMHO | 18:48 |
| mageshgv | rkukura: We need some way of way of expressing this floating ip policy and also like it to a nat pool | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are two steps, first whether to use the FIP or not (which can be characterized as the “intent”), and the second is where to pull the FIPs from, if used | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: (therefore a property of the external segment) | 18:49 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: makes sense, ivar-lazzaro: L3P seems to make sense | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: because, FIP is achieved using NAT, which can be thought of as a service | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Originally the simple idea was: Any PT created on a EPG which external connectivity (see external-segment) will be granted a FIP from the nat pool | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and allows the choice of explicit versus implicit NAT services to achieve it | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: FIP could just be a routable address, not necessarily implemented using NAT | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: why should that be the case? | 18:51 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: (see IPv6) | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, but it could also be a NAT, which it commonly is in IPv4 | 18:51 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: I agree with rkukura, NAT pool and FIP pool may not necessarily by related | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: true, but we have to catch the intent | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: external connectivity is for going from the inside to the outside | 18:52 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: If I understand it correctly, in the current model, external segment by itself represents a PTG. Is that not the case ? | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we don't really care wether it's a service or not | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so does not necessarily need a FIP | 18:52 |
| rkukura | Ideally, intent would not be different for IPv4 vs. IPv6 | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: it needs a NAT pool, not a FIP | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: a FIP can also be assigned from that pool | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: no, external policy is a PTG. External Segment is an extension of the L3P basically | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: exactly | 18:53 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: my bad got mixed up with the two resources | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hence the NSP model which tries to generalize that | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | maybe nat-pool is not the best choice in term of naming | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: ES describes how a L3P can reach the external world | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, we have 6 mins remaining, and at least one more item to cover | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i belive we need to see the spec and comment in the review | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: what is your estimate for posting the spec | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:55 |
| mageshgv | I should be able to post it by this weekend | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ok thanks, the earlier the better :-) | 18:55 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The point is to understand if we want to assign FIPs per L3Policy or per PTG | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since this is currently targeted for K-1 :-) | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we could also use labels eventually for a greater granularity | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the update | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Taskflow investigation | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:56 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I started looking at https://review.openstack.org/154333, which the start of a PoC for incorporating TaskFlow into ML2. | 18:57 |
| rkukura | But it needs a ton more work to really make any sense. | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so this patch is not complete? | 18:57 |
| rkukura | I’d like to also look at how other projects are using TaskFlow. | 18:57 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Its a WiP of a PoC | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so is taskflow targeted in Neutron for Kilo? | 18:58 |
| rkukura | I’d like to see how we really should combine the concepts of driver and task | 18:58 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: No, the ML2 TaskFlow is investigation going into Liberty planning | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah ok | 18:59 |
| rkukura | No decisions have been made about it. Just working towards a BP. | 18:59 |
| rkukura | That’s all I have right now, but will continue. | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so perhaps that tells that the scope is large | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for that update | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are at the hour | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any parting comments, or anything that we missed? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | else over to #openstack-gbp | 19:00 |
| rkukura | One note - The RDO GBP instructions at https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_GBP have been updated. | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: awesome! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we skipped the packaging standing item | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all right, thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:01 |
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| banix | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 19:01:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-12-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-12-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| rkukura | I’d really encourage others to try the RDO packages on Fedora, RHEL, or CentOS | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-12-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
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| clouddon | Hello, anyone around for HA guide updates? | 21:03 |
| Shamail | hi clouddon | 21:03 |
| megm | Hi all | 21:03 |
| clouddon | hi there! Matt just pinged that he can't get on IRC | 21:04 |
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| clouddon | one of us needs to lead. | 21:04 |
| Shamail | All yours :) | 21:04 |
| clouddon | thanks :) | 21:04 |
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| clouddon | any status updates from last week? Matt shared his first cut on install steps : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-basic-install-steps | 21:05 |
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| Shamail | reading | 21:06 |
| Shamail | cool | 21:06 |
| Shamail | No status updates on my action item (review ops guide for recovery from failure information) | 21:07 |
| Shamail | I was distracted by talk submissions but I should have an update by next week | 21:07 |
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| clouddon | no problem. | 21:07 |
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| clouddon | Nick/ Meg - do you have any updates? | 21:08 |
| megm | I'm looking at Matt's etherpad for the first time -- so is this the Install Guide or HA specific? | 21:08 |
| megm | I have no updates -- I don't know where Nick is | 21:08 |
| Shamail | It seems to be the location of the install guides | 21:08 |
| clouddon | #startmeeting | 21:09 |
| openstack | clouddon: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:09 |
| clouddon | #startmeeting ha-guide | 21:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 12 21:09:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clouddon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:09 |
| Shamail | Matt's AI was to review them to see if there were any steps mentioned in the install guides that might conflict or support HA | 21:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 21:09 |
| clouddon | sorry for missing that command. | 21:09 |
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| Shamail | e.g. areas where we might be able to recommend HA guidelines or areas where the install guide would prevent the setup of HA in the future | 21:09 |
| Shamail | Does the etherpad make sense in that context? | 21:10 |
| clouddon | for meeting note purposes, here is the link again: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-basic-install-steps | 21:10 |
| Shamail | It looks as though he has started, but still a WIP | 21:10 |
| megm | Yes, the HA ramifications are not clear to me | 21:11 |
| clouddon | yes,thats what he mentioned. First pass | 21:11 |
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| megm | But a good working base on which to do that analysis | 21:11 |
| Shamail | agreed | 21:11 |
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| clouddon | it appears that we are not on same page regarding this. If I remember correctly, we were planning on getting together to hash this out | 21:12 |
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| clouddon | Meg, can you take an action to schedule a hangout please? | 21:12 |
| megm | Sure, I can schedule a hangout -- what is a good time? | 21:13 |
| megm | Are participants all in US? | 21:14 |
| Shamail | I believe so | 21:14 |
| clouddon | I'm at PST, Shamail in EST. I believe Matt in CST? | 21:14 |
| megm | I'm in PST, Nick is in EST | 21:15 |
| clouddon | ok. all in the US then. 10 am PST? | 21:15 |
| Shamail | Which day? | 21:16 |
| megm | Does uesday the 17th work? | 21:17 |
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| megm | s/uesday//Tuesday/g | 21:17 |
| Shamail | That should work for me | 21:18 |
| clouddon | works. If this doesn't seem a good one or we can't confirm in the 2 mnts, Meg, can you please send a doodle request to all of us and pick from there. Matt is also not online, so can't really talk for him | 21:18 |
| megm | Okay -- I need to learn how to do all these things -- I'll get instructions from Nick | 21:19 |
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| megm | What about the existing HA Guide? How about if I analyze that and match it to what is in the Install Guide? | 21:19 |
| clouddon | As of now, Tuesday 10 am PST looks for Shamail, Sriram and Meg. Rt? Nick is not online now? | 21:20 |
| megm | It's a small start | 21:20 |
| megm | Nick isn't responding on Skype or email -- I'll get with him later | 21:20 |
| clouddon | ok | 21:20 |
| Shamail | I think that's a good idea megm, this way we will know at least some starting state of the install, HA, and ops guides | 21:21 |
| clouddon | #action megm to schedule Google Hangout to hashout HA Guide/ Install Guide | 21:21 |
| Shamail | from a HA enablement perspective | 21:21 |
| clouddon | ok.can we move to next item? | 21:22 |
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| clouddon | #info Shamail, Gerd and Sriram submitted a summit talk on HA best practices/ Use case example | 21:23 |
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| clouddon | i don't have anything else. Does anyone have anything else? | 21:24 |
| Shamail | clouddon: nothing at the moment, I hope to have an update on the ops guide by next meeting. | 21:24 |
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| clouddon | thanks everyone. | 21:25 |
| Shamail | alright, take care all! | 21:25 |
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| clouddon | #endmeeting | 21:25 |
| megm_ | Thanks! | 21:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 12 21:25:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-12-21.09.html | 21:25 |
| Shamail | cya | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-12-21.09.txt | 21:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-12-21.09.log.html | 21:25 |
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