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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 17:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| alaski | Anyone around? | 17:00 |
| vineetmenon | /o | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 17:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 17:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 17:00 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | excellent! | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| alaski | mriedem pointed out https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1420322 | 17:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420322 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "gate-devstack-dsvm-cells fails in volumes exercise with "Server ex-vol-inst not deleted"" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 17:01 |
| alaski | which seems to be related to what melwitt has been chasing | 17:01 |
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| alaski | melwitt: any updates since we discussed this yesterday? | 17:02 |
| melwitt | ah, yeah. I'm chasing around all of the DetachedInstance errors. not really unfortunately, I tried your suggestion with the obj_to_primitive and will be combing through results this morning | 17:03 |
| alaski | cool, thanks for chasing that | 17:03 |
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| vineetmenon | latest count with the regex (by melwitt) is 126 | 17:04 |
| bauzas | so we had regressions ? | 17:04 |
| bauzas | I was only counting 74 exceptions | 17:04 |
| vineetmenon | etherpad has lot more than that | 17:04 |
| melwitt | I thought it's still around 74 (when you look at the CI job) | 17:05 |
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| alaski | I'm seeing 2 failures on a recent run | 17:05 |
| vineetmenon | 9th feb | 17:05 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing | 17:05 |
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| vineetmenon | i have appened possibly rectified for failures which are no more | 17:06 |
| alaski | looking at http://logs.openstack.org/67/154567/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/b9eecd8/console.html from the 10th | 17:06 |
| alaski | shows 2 failures | 17:06 |
| alaski | tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_ec2_instance_run.InstanceRunTest.test_run_idempotent_instances is pretty consistent in failing | 17:06 |
| alaski | I've tried reproducing locally and have failed thus far | 17:07 |
| bauzas | right | 17:07 |
| alaski | I'd hate to just exclude it without understanding the reasoning there, since it was passing before | 17:08 |
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| alaski | other failures seem to be intermittent and I haven't had a chance to dig deeper | 17:08 |
| bauzas | alaski: I can't even find the boto one on http://logs.openstack.org/03/127203/5/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/7b641b4/console.html | 17:09 |
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| bauzas | that's probably transient errors :( | 17:09 |
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| alaski | yep | 17:10 |
| alaski | I ran tempest locally with --until-failure for about half a day and didn't get any failures, but they keep coming up in the gate | 17:10 |
| alaski | it could use some digging from anyone interested | 17:11 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | The boto one is here too http://logs.openstack.org/81/150381/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/9f37833/console.html but the end error is different | 17:11 |
| alaski | and I'll keep digging as well | 17:11 |
| vineetmenon | alaski, my error count is from a local run too | 17:11 |
| melwitt | in general, I've been having trouble reproducing the gate locally | 17:11 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | ahh no scratch that...its the same | 17:11 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: yep, just a different id | 17:12 |
| alaski | melwitt: same here, which makes this all the more interesting | 17:13 |
| alaski | but we're really close to having a passing job | 17:13 |
| alaski | anything else around testing? | 17:13 |
| alaski | #topic Database migrations | 17:14 |
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| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153666/ | 17:14 |
| alaski | I've added basic support for alembic as a PoC | 17:14 |
| alaski | the autogenerate feature for migrations is nice | 17:15 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:15 |
| alaski | but I'm currently working on testing which requires reworking a lot of things that are geared towards the current setup | 17:15 |
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| bauzas | I was thinking that jerfleldt was working on shipping alembic for his expand/contract BP ? | 17:15 |
| bauzas | so maybe you could just rebase on top of his patch ? | 17:16 |
| alaski | bauzas: he is, but it's not a full alembic setup from what I understand | 17:16 |
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| bauzas | alaski: oh ok | 17:16 |
| alaski | I need to touch base with him again on this | 17:16 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, my only concern was that you could maybe leverage his work, that's it | 17:17 |
| alaski | but right now the options seem to be: use alembic like I have here, depend on the expand contract work, use sqlalchemy-migrate | 17:17 |
| alaski | I would like to leverage his work, but I'm not sure it's in a state to use it quite yet | 17:17 |
| alaski | so then the question is, alembic or sqlalchemy-migrate for the short term | 17:18 |
| bauzas | sqlalchemy-migrate seems to be the easiest path | 17:19 |
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| bauzas | I mean, we're focusing on having 2 connection strings for the DB API | 17:19 |
| bauzas | that would directly benefit for sqlalchemy-migrate | 17:19 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: Why only 2? | 17:20 |
| alaski | sqlalchemy-migrate is easier, but I feel there are benefits to alembic that make it worth pursuing | 17:20 |
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| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: forget the number, I was just wanting to say that we're working on providing a facade for any connection string | 17:21 |
| vineetmenon | IMHO, we are limiting to two tier (one top-level, one child) | 17:21 |
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| alaski | let me chat with johannes to see how we can converge in a solid way | 17:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: makes sense | 17:21 |
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| bauzas | alaski: that's only matter of priorities... :) | 17:22 |
| alaski | yep | 17:22 |
| alaski | anything else on the database for now? | 17:22 |
| alaski | #topic Neutron integration | 17:23 |
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| alaski | I spoke with armax a bit yesterday about the Neutron side of things | 17:23 |
| alaski | we agreed that there are a lot of open questions, and that this would make a good summit discussion on the neutron side | 17:24 |
| alaski | I'm trying to get the right people together for this discussion | 17:24 |
| alaski | and not limit it to the summit, but get it going before then | 17:25 |
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| alaski | there seem to be two main issues we face, scheduling and api contracts | 17:26 |
| belmoreira | alaski: but what is the real goal on this? having a neutron for cell? | 17:26 |
| alaski | belmoreira: having nova/neutron work together when Nova is using cells | 17:26 |
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| alaski | Neutron would like to look at cells for themselves, but I'm not sure it's clear what that means | 17:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: different nets and subnets for cells then ? | 17:27 |
| belmoreira | ok, but what is the problem today? | 17:27 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: got it. | 17:27 |
| alaski | bauzas: perhaps. Right now I think it's unclear whether that's a requirement | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: I mean, if we only consider a global network for the cloud, then Neutron doesn't necessarly need to talk cells ? | 17:28 |
| alaski | bauzas: right | 17:28 |
| alaski | but there are at least two deployments that don't work that way | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: ack, so that's not a design problem, but rather a feature | 17:28 |
| bauzas | mmm | 17:29 |
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| alaski | ideally Neutron would work for both cases, but how that's accomplished is an open problem atm | 17:29 |
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| bauzas | you can have multiple subnets in Neutron, you only need a global L2 | 17:29 |
| belmoreira | alaski: we have the same problem. subnets per cells. However we are looking into solving it in a different way | 17:30 |
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| bauzas | so maybe the question is : is Neutron able to scale its L2 network with cells ? | 17:30 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: good to know. I'd like to ensure you or someone from CERN is involved, as well as people from Rackspace, and then whoever is interested | 17:31 |
| alaski | bauzas: that may be a good way to frame it | 17:31 |
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| bauzas | alaski: so then, Neutron folks should be interested in that | 17:32 |
| bauzas | alaski: because that's a scale problem | 17:33 |
| alaski | I don't have the knowdedge of Neutron/networking that I'd like to have, so I'm going to be relying on others to know the details while I'm learning | 17:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: maybe inviting Neutron folks to our meeting is worth it ? | 17:34 |
| alaski | bauzas: I was told that they are interested. And this is a good opportunity for them to learn about what cells is | 17:34 |
| bauzas | alaski: totally agree with you | 17:34 |
| alaski | bauzas: +1. It would help if there were some people more knowledgeable on networking than I to help represent the Nova side | 17:35 |
| alaski | I'm trying to pull in some rackspace networking folks to help | 17:35 |
| alaski | and belmoreira when he's available | 17:36 |
| belmoreira | alaski: yes, I'm interested on this | 17:36 |
| alaski | great | 17:37 |
| alaski | so my plan at the moment is primarily to get the right people talking | 17:37 |
| bauzas | makes sense | 17:37 |
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| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| alaski | anything on anyones mind? | 17:38 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | I'd like to get some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150381/ . Like is it in line with what plans for cells are | 17:38 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | or is it totally orthogonal | 17:38 |
| alaski | It looks like a really good start, and in line with the plans | 17:39 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | The two/one configuration thing is still fuzzy | 17:39 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: I didn't had time to review your latest PS | 17:39 |
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| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: but very quickly glancing at it, I'm +1 on it | 17:40 |
| vineetmenon | any clarification about how to pass connection_url? | 17:40 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: no worries...I tried fixing it | 17:40 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: it could use an answer to dansmiths comment about how this will be used in practice | 17:41 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | and it will probably also cross paths with what alaski is doing with DB | 17:41 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: i.e. how to make a db call to one of these engines | 17:41 |
| bauzas | alaski: I just think we just need a new opt for the cells V2 DB | 17:42 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | Well.... to my mind the function calling the DBAPI method will supply the connection_url | 17:42 |
| bauzas | alaski: so when calling the engine, we're just importing the opt | 17:42 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | Like say nova-api on cell show will first call a dbapi.get_cells() and then for each connection_url it will do a dbapi.whatever(connection_url) | 17:43 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | something like that | 17:43 |
| alaski | bauzas: I'm thinking about when calling into different cells, the same query could go to multiple dbs | 17:43 |
| bauzas | alaski: oh you mean a global engine for multiple DBs ? | 17:43 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: Within oslo.db it is not possible | 17:43 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: it would be good to see an example of that in a patch | 17:43 |
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| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: and you might consider putting that info into the context so that each api method doesn't need to be updated | 17:44 |
| bauzas | alaski: I think we need to have one engine per child cell | 17:44 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | but with the changes you asked me to do (moving the register_opts out of oslo.db and into nova) we may be able to get two sections in the conf | 17:44 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzass : ^ | 17:44 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: I was not thinking of an oslo.db opt | 17:44 |
| alaski | bauzas: right | 17:45 |
| alaski | bauzas: and then a way to pick an engine per db call | 17:45 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: context is a security thing as per my limited understanding no? | 17:45 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, that's partially done by dheeraj-gupta-4 in his patcfh | 17:45 |
| bauzas | alaski: because there is a dict keyed on the connection string | 17:45 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: not entirely. it's used for policy but it does more than that, and seems like a good fit for this | 17:46 |
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| alaski | it holds information about the environment a request is being made in | 17:46 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: ok, I'll look into that | 17:46 |
| bauzas | alaski: by speaking about context, you mean a nova context, or a python context manager ? | 17:46 |
| alaski | bauzas: nova context | 17:46 |
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| bauzas | alaski: well, I don't think we should have one context per cell | 17:47 |
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| alaski | bauzas: agreed. but the context could hold information about which db a request should go to | 17:47 |
| vineetmenon | bauzas, +1 | 17:47 |
| bauzas | alaski: oh I see, you mean caching the connection information into the context object ? | 17:48 |
| vineetmenon | so, you couls possibly have as many contexts as many cells you have | 17:48 |
| alaski | I'm going to steal from dansmith again. He gave an example of "target_cell(context, cell) as targetted_context: do_thing(targetted_context, ...)" in a discussion I had with him a while back | 17:49 |
| bauzas | alaski: IIUC, that's only nova-api which needs to handle multiple connections right ? | 17:49 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: but when API makes calls to different cells, it changes the connection info in the context or creates a new context? | 17:49 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: changes it | 17:49 |
| alaski | bauzas: right | 17:49 |
| bauzas | alaski: so then the local context is kinda transient ? | 17:49 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: makes sense (though I'm still a bit hazy about it all) | 17:50 |
| alaski | a context manager could set something in the context on a per request basis | 17:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: got your idea | 17:50 |
| alaski | bauzas: the connection data would be, similar to is_admin on the context | 17:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah understood, just need to think about the benefits | 17:51 |
| bauzas | alaski: as I said, that's very local to n-apiu | 17:51 |
| bauzas | n-api | 17:51 |
| alaski | bauzas: sure. The thing I really like is this means not modying every db.api method, and using a context manager means the state is set only when needed | 17:51 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: the dansmith example is really helpful.... so using that we basically don't need to change API signatures, only the methods themselves and the callers | 17:51 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: exactly | 17:52 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, as I said, a context manager used for caching it | 17:52 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: thanks for clearing that out | 17:52 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: np | 17:53 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: Another thing..... the two databases still bug me | 17:53 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | shouldn't there be only one DB the service *really* cares about | 17:53 |
| alaski | in what way? | 17:53 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | for n-api that is nova_api | 17:53 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | for n-cpu the standard nova | 17:53 |
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| alaski | for everything except nova-api that will be true | 17:54 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | so while putting it into code, we don;t explicilty look to handle two DBs | 17:54 |
| alaski | but nova-api will need to be able to return data that lives in the cells | 17:54 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | yes but that can be done through mechanism we discussed | 17:54 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | The point I am trying to make is that do we really need two explicit engines in the DB API - Say nova_engine and api_engine? | 17:55 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | the default engine will always point to the correct DB as per the config file in use | 17:56 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: from an API PoV, there N+1 engines to manage | 17:56 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | sorry if it is all confusing | 17:56 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: N being the number of cells | 17:56 |
| alaski | I see what you've worked on a being nova_engine | 17:57 |
| alaski | and api_engine doesn't exist yet | 17:57 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | for n-api the nova_engine _is_ the api_engine | 17:57 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | that is my point | 17:57 |
| alaski | gotcha | 17:58 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | because the n-api configuration will point it to the correct database | 17:58 |
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| alaski | I think we do want to be explicit, and I've had reservations about overloading the config option that wya | 17:58 |
| alaski | way | 17:58 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | ok...well that was my line of thought during the WIP patch | 17:58 |
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| bauzas | 1 min to go :) | 17:59 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: Would you mind commenting on the WIP patch with your PoV on this | 17:59 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | I don't want to hold the meeting up | 17:59 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: sure | 17:59 |
| alaski | it's a good point, and we should all be on the same page there | 17:59 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | yep | 17:59 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | I tried making the same point to dan there but.... | 18:00 |
| alaski | I think that's it for today | 18:00 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 18:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-02-11-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-02-11-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-02-11-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: ok. we'll discuss on the review | 18:00 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: thanks | 18:01 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 20:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | hello everyone, who's around | 20:01 |
| gary-smith | hi | 20:01 |
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| jgravel_ | hello | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Hi again | 20:01 |
| gugl2 | hi | 20:01 |
| sambetts | Hey! | 20:01 |
| lhcheng_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| TravT | hello! | 20:02 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 20:02 |
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| mrunge_afk | hey! | 20:02 |
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| TravT | mrunge: lol | 20:02 |
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| TravT | i was just thinking that exact thing | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | so general items... | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | we posted k-2 last Wed | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | 9 bps implemented and none of them were above medium | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | plenty of good things made it, but it really leaves us over-tasked for k-3 | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-3 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | which needs major pruning | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | we really need to target the highs for k-3 | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | getting them in | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | the glance v2 maybe not as much | 20:05 |
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| TravT | jpichon: is leaving this week and it didn't get as far along as hoped | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | i'm going to prune the list and shift priorities a bit | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | but for reviewers, highs are the target | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | mediums will be very good to have, and lows are opportunistic | 20:07 |
| sqchen | david-lyle: we need approval on the plug-in extension to more launchinstance towarrd k-3 | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | so again priorities will likely shift | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | hold on sqchen we'll get there | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | any questions about any of that? | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I assume everyone has heard by now, but next release is Liberty | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | so there's that | 20:08 |
| mrunge | do we now have some common review guidelines for angular based blueprints? | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: we have coding guidelines for JS | 20:09 |
| mrunge | we have? | 20:09 |
| mrunge | cool. | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | that address angular as well. Beyond that not really | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: link? | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | rbertram: | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | ? | 20:09 |
| tqtran | let me look it up | 20:09 |
| mrunge | would help to know that | 20:10 |
| TravT | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/Javascript#AngularJS | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | thanks :) | 20:10 |
| rbertram | right | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we need something in there about module namespace I think | 20:10 |
| tqtran | dang Travis beat me to it | 20:10 |
| TravT | it isn't very fully, i think. | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | fully? | 20:10 |
| tqtran | yeah, there are things missing in there | 20:10 |
| TravT | full | 20:10 |
| rbertram | yeah, we just got it started | 20:10 |
| mrunge | you mean, guidelines and complete? | 20:10 |
| TravT | yes, there are some things that could be added. | 20:11 |
| rbertram | the angularjs guidelines - we just got the ball rolling | 20:11 |
| tqtran | like naming modules, docs, tests, etc... | 20:11 |
| tqtran | file structure | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | so, just a few things... | 20:11 |
| mrunge | hint: if you want your code being reviewed, complete guides will help there | 20:11 |
| tqtran | yeah just a "few" | 20:11 |
| rdopiera | sorry for being late | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: we need to shape that | 20:12 |
| sqchen | I think how plugin extension works is part of it. | 20:12 |
| TravT | some patterns in horizon are getting worked out over the course of this early development. | 20:12 |
| sqchen | the extension is about angular | 20:12 |
| TravT | but i think to Dave's next couple of topics, we should undertake improving those guidelines. | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | it's unrealistic to think we'll have all the answers and a perfect implementation on the first pass, we need something to iterate on | 20:13 |
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| tqtran | yep, they are brand spanking new, so we haven't add to docs yet | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | what we want to block is decisions that are going to make that difficult | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | ok, let's move to the agenda, since we are | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | #topic Angular work status | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Angular work status (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:14 | |
| david-lyle | So there has been a lot of good work in this area | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | and the beginning of the API layer for angular code is starting to merge | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | a reusable wizard widget has also merged | 20:15 |
| TravT | help panel merged | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | but we need more reviews and consensus | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | TravT: thanks, yes | 20:15 |
| tqtran | table is in the process of merging as well | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | Most of the angular patches have demo patches that go along with them | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | which is extremely helpful | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | thanks for posting those | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | but the are a couple of larger things blocking merging more of the clientside code | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | well 3 things | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | more of the REST API layer merging | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | a way to get configuration settings to the client without exposing too many internal details | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | and an entry point to the policy engine | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | the first, I think most of is progress if not just waiting for reviews | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | the second, tqtran has started and needs to fine tune | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | and the third, I will start to address | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | the good news is, I think the launch instance work can progress without policy for now | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | the identity panels are another story | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | but I feel like the progress is moving too slowly to make k-3 at this point. | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | not due to work on patches | 20:19 |
| tqtran | the identity panels internal code itself is almost ready, we just need the policy check in place | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | but review lag, concensus building, design decisions | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | to address that, I'd like to propose a virtual sprint | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | essentially a sprint without the travel | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | but a way to get people together and heads down for an extended period of time | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | part would be IRC, but I would advocate a hangout as well going on in concert | 20:21 |
| tqtran | +1 I like the idea | 20:21 |
| sambetts | +1 | 20:22 |
| sqchen | +1 | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | I think if we try to do something in person, we will miss k-3 for sure | 20:22 |
| TravT | +1, also it is basically what is going on. this just helps to formalize it | 20:22 |
| rbertram | +1 but what is number of people limited in hangout? | 20:22 |
| ongk | +1 | 20:22 |
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| tqtran | rbertram: we'll find out =) | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | I will post an etherpad as determine interest | 20:22 |
| TravT | 15 | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | please sign up if you are actually interested | 20:23 |
| mrunge | yeah 11-15 is hangout limit | 20:23 |
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| mrunge | not sure, if a hangout really helps | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | we can decide on the duration, but I would advocate 4-5 hours for a couple of days at least | 20:23 |
| rbertram | I'm a big fan of hangouts - not just see eachother, but share demos - also code walkthroughs | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: voice helps a lot | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | whether it's hangouts or not | 20:24 |
| tqtran | makes explaining things easier | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | visual sharing helps too | 20:24 |
| TravT | yes, hangouts are very helpful. | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | I don't really care what the technology is | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | but typing in IRC can take forever | 20:24 |
| mrunge | depends on the noise in the channel, I'd say | 20:25 |
| sqchen | hangouts is helpful | 20:25 |
| mrunge | but let's try it out | 20:25 |
| TravT | HP has a tool that scales higher that we can use as well, but would rather not force another plugin | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | people type slow and their input gets lost | 20:25 |
| ongk | could always do a hangout for each topic | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | I just want people to participate and communication to be clear | 20:25 |
| TravT | to that end, I want to invite people to a hangout right after this IRC. | 20:26 |
| TravT | we are talking about the rest API | 20:26 |
| TravT | with code discussion | 20:26 |
| TravT | if you are interested PM me. | 20:26 |
| TravT | i'd rather not have the room in the logged channel right now | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-virtual-sprint | 20:27 |
| TravT | i need to create a dif one | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | I want this to happen soon. Thinking next week | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | or late this week | 20:27 |
| tqtran | or we can start an unofficial one this week | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | but people with managers may need a little time to coordinate dedicated time | 20:28 |
| mrunge | so, you're basically taking this to a non-public room, is that right? | 20:28 |
| TravT | no | 20:28 |
| TravT | it is public | 20:28 |
| mrunge | you said, you want no log | 20:28 |
| mrunge | as example | 20:28 |
| tqtran | if people are interested, they can join, we can post link in etherpad? | 20:28 |
| TravT | just i need to create the new room url | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | there is a sprint IRC room | 20:28 |
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| TravT | for the hangout | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | Me and Sam have time, for those also EU based | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: the reality is in face sprints aren't logged either | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | this is really just about getting unstuck | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | summits aren't either | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | but we will have the etherpad for content, IRC for logs, and patches with the code as a result | 20:30 |
| mrunge | well, you're just creating small circles, excluding folks, who can not attend at that time,for whatever reason | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: no I'm not | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I'm asking interested parties to join | 20:31 |
| mrunge | it's the proposal to do so | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | no it's not | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | listen | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | it's open | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | it's a way to coordinate time | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | it's not exclusive | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | time has not been decided nor dates | 20:31 |
| mrunge | it's separate from official | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | so are mid-cycles | 20:31 |
| mrunge | and limited to 10-15 participants | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: not necessarily | 20:32 |
| tqtran | mrunge: we can have multiple hangouts according to topic | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | hangouts is one tool, there are hundreds of possible tools | 20:32 |
| tqtran | i doubt we'll need more than 15 people in one hangout, anymore than that and it'll start to get distractive anyhow | 20:32 |
| mrunge | let's move forward | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | but there are two advantages to in-person sprints, 1 coordinated time together (focused), 2 you aren't typing everything | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | and 3 social actities | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | *activities | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | we won't have 3 | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | we also won't require travel, time away from families, or the expense | 20:34 |
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| sqchen | also we can demo. | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | I don't think we can afford another cycle of almost angular | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | people will lose interest, me included | 20:35 |
| mrunge | yupp | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:35 |
| btully | “almost angular”? | 20:36 |
| btully | (sorry i’m new here) ;) | 20:36 |
| tqtran | ok then its decided, lets move forward | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | btully: you are new, but we've been building to allow angular for 3 releases now | 20:36 |
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| btully | gotcha, thanks | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | it's amazing how hard it is to get tools approved and in, and an agree path forward with distros, devs, deployers, etc | 20:37 |
| lhcheng_ | david-lyle: how about sending out the etherpad link in the ML in spirit of open-ness? | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | lhcheng_: I will. I will also post it on the virtual sprints wiki page | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I created it about 10 minutes ago, so haven't had a chance | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | but good suggestion | 20:38 |
| TravT | ok, I have the hangout url created. anybody is welcome after this meeting. topic is rest api with walkthrough. if you can't get in. PM me and we'll have to switch to the HP room that allows more people. | 20:38 |
| lhcheng_ | david-lyle: great! | 20:38 |
| TravT | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gv53nv5va2nh4xhekedzhbarhea | 20:38 |
| mrunge | TravT, thanks. can we have it recorded? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | TravT: ask Piet about that one | 20:38 |
| TravT | mrunge: yeah, i'll try | 20:38 |
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| mrunge | thanks! (It's almost 10 in the evening here...) | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | we need times and dates | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | just a hanging open room is not much of an advantage over IRC | 20:39 |
| mrunge | ... | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:40 |
| TravT | i like the weekly irc scheduled | 20:40 |
| TravT | but often the hangouts are more ad-hoc | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | #action mail/post sprinty stuff | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | #undo | 20:40 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9937350> | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle mail/post sprinty stuff | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | #topic Summit planning | 20:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit planning (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:41 | |
| david-lyle | so the summit format is changing a bit | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | see #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html | 20:42 |
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| david-lyle | there is not the choice of traditional summit sessions and smaller sprint sessions | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | And the friday sprint will still be held | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | half or full day | 20:42 |
| mrunge | any option to have a sprint earlier? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | additionally, the pods are going away | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes | 20:43 |
| mrunge | I mean, on last summits, the most valuable and productive day was Friday | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | the choice of the first two is where normal sessions were tradionally held | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | *traditionally | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | so structure will be: | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | 1st day: cross-project topics | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | 2nd and 3rd day: mix of traditional design sessions and sprint sessions | 20:45 |
| tqtran | mrunge: I agree, Friday was the most productive. | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | 4th day: half or full day sprint | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | so we have two things to decide | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | how many sessions do we want, and should they be sprint or traditional | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | and on Friday do we want a full day, or just a half | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | how much together is too much? | 20:46 |
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| david-lyle | I think we should probably have 1 or 2 traditional sessions, but I'm open beyond that | 20:47 |
| TravT | +1 to the idea as a whole | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | We have to decide a bit earlier than usual because it will effect room layouts | 20:47 |
| TravT | how soon? | 20:47 |
| mrunge | like: today? | 20:47 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit | 20:48 |
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| david-lyle | not today, not sure the exact timeline, but I've been asked to provide estimates | 20:48 |
| mrunge | I would like to see an upcoming cycle session as a sprint (or so) as early as possible | 20:49 |
| mrunge | just to use the rest of the summit to get that started or pushed earlier | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I agree | 20:49 |
| TravT | mrunge: david-lyle: this dovetails into a topic i added to the agenda | 20:50 |
| TravT | david-lyle: may I? | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | just a sec | 20:50 |
| mrunge | ideally, we could separate into smaller groups for the rest of day 2 and the next few days to actually drive it | 20:50 |
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| david-lyle | so I think this will be an email thing, or etherpad driven exercise | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle post more email about summit ideas | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | #topic Pre-Summit Meetup (TravT) | 20:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pre-Summit Meetup (TravT) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:51 | |
| david-lyle | ok TravT | 20:51 |
| TravT | We (HP) would like to host a couple day pre-summit contributor meetup between the end of K-3 and the summit. | 20:52 |
| TravT | There are actually about two months between the last day of K-3 and the design summit that we could use to get momentum rolling for the "L"iberty release. | 20:52 |
| TravT | This would help us to really prep for the summit and feed into the summit sessions. It may also help to decide which topics need to be fishbowl topics at the summit. | 20:52 |
| mrunge | TravT, so, something right after Kilo release? | 20:53 |
| TravT | The goal would be for the meetup to have some contributor focused sessions on some big topics | 20:53 |
| TravT | yeah, so k3 is like March 19th | 20:53 |
| TravT | summit is May 2? | 20:53 |
| TravT | I’ve started an ether pad / doodle to start getting input on participation interest: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-presummit-meetup | 20:53 |
| mrunge | May 18-22 | 20:53 |
| TravT | Demos, white boarding, code sharing, and sub group breakouts would be encouraged. | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | TravT: where are you thinking? | 20:54 |
| TravT | Primary locations my management is interested in are Fort Collins, CO or Seattle, WA | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | this kind of meetup would have been useful this month :/ | 20:55 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I'm unsure it'll be that useful immediately after k3 | 20:55 |
| tqtran | haha that is very true | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: it would, but you never really know what stage you'll be at when determining to schedule | 20:55 |
| TravT | if people want to do it sooner... | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | I fully expected us to be a lot further | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it'd end up discussing stuff we would need to discuss at the L summit anyway | 20:56 |
| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, yes, right | 20:56 |
| TravT | well, if we look at many releases | 20:56 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | BTW, I cannot attend on the dates in question - PyCon is right in the middle | 20:57 |
| TravT | if the branch is cut at k3, why can't we start working seriously towards the next release pre-summit | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | TravT: we can and the summit always feels too late | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | you're theoretically doing your planning halfway through the first milestone | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | oops | 20:58 |
| TravT | maybe we'll start getting things merged sooner in the cycle. | 20:58 |
| mrunge | TravT, that is usually the case | 20:59 |
| mrunge | this cycle was.... different | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | the reality of the situation is that the same people are finishing K that are looking to L | 20:59 |
| mrunge | in the past, we had larger portions merged for milestone-1 | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | which makes parallel paths difficult | 20:59 |
| TravT | i just put up some proposed dates | 20:59 |
| TravT | others can be added to etherpad | 20:59 |
| TravT | and we can continue this discussion | 21:00 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks TravT | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | looks like we've reached our time | 21:00 |
| mrunge | TravT, you're proposing to meet for a full week? | 21:00 |
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| TravT | that is up for debate as well | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | 4 weeks | 21:00 |
| TravT | i was thinking 6 weeks in tahiti. | 21:00 |
| mrunge | +1 | 21:00 |
| TravT | but a few days at least | 21:01 |
| mrunge | and HP is willing to sponsor that? | 21:01 |
| mrunge | ;-) | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | Thanks HP! | 21:01 |
| TravT | lol | 21:01 |
| mrunge | yes, thanks | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | have to get up to a billion you know | 21:01 |
| mrunge | count me in, Barbados would be cool, too | 21:01 |
| mrunge | ... (or whatever) | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone, look at the sprint links and provide input. | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 21:02:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-02-11-20.01.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-02-11-20.01.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-02-11-20.01.log.html | 21:02 |
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| tqtran | Thanks! | 21:02 |
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