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| elmiko | anyone here for api-wg? | 00:01 |
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| ryansb | \o | 00:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | hello | 00:02 |
| elmiko | is sigmavirus24_awa around? | 00:02 |
| elmiko | he offered to chair, but i can do it if necessary | 00:02 |
| miguelgrinberg | he was earlier, so I'm sure he'll show up | 00:02 |
| elmiko | cool, we can give him a few. might be a short meeting anyways if it's only the 4 of us | 00:03 |
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| elmiko | well, just about 10 after. should we kick this off? | 00:09 |
| ryansb | indeed | 00:09 |
| elmiko | #startmeeting api-wg | 00:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 00:10:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 00:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:10 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:10 |
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| elmiko | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:11 |
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| elmiko | oops | 00:11 |
| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 00:11 |
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| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-26-16.00.html | 00:11 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: you wanna start? | 00:11 |
| miguelgrinberg | sure, I guess sigmavirus24_awa isn't coming after all. He was kind enough to remind me we had this meeting, and then he went away :) | 00:12 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:12 |
| miguelgrinberg | should we review action items from past meeting? you and I are in the list | 00:13 |
| elmiko | yea, you wanna go first? | 00:13 |
| miguelgrinberg | ok. I updated metadata and tags, and so far have gotten good feedback on both. The issues with swift still remain, but other than that I believe we have no negative feedback | 00:14 |
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| miguelgrinberg | and I added all the CPLs as reviewers | 00:15 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 00:15 |
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| elmiko | i created a starting guideline template to use as a starting point for the discussion | 00:16 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169415/ | 00:16 |
| elmiko | i only added a few people, not much talk yet | 00:16 |
| elmiko | i tried to use the spec template as a starting point, and customized it based on what we have currently and a little of my own opinion. | 00:17 |
| miguelgrinberg | LGTM, pretty straightforward | 00:17 |
| elmiko | thanks =) | 00:17 |
| ryansb | Looks good, but clippy keeps showing up in the middle of text for me. Looking forward to April 2. | 00:17 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:17 |
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| elmiko | etoews had an item to start a discussion on the ML about meeting times, which he did | 00:18 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060333.html | 00:19 |
| ryansb | I imagine we can just skip a meeting time discussion today and defer to the ML, since we're not exactly quorum | 00:19 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes | 00:19 |
| elmiko | there's a decent discussion happening on the ML anyways | 00:19 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 00:20 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 00:20 |
| elmiko | anyone have a guideline they'd like to discuss? | 00:20 |
| elmiko | i think the error one is the only thing standing out currently, that'll stand for next time | 00:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | looks like the only two new ones are the template and the errors, so not much else to discuss | 00:21 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:21 |
| elmiko | #topic APIImpact | 00:22 |
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| miguelgrinberg | next week is PyCon, so it's going to be another quiet meeting | 00:22 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 00:22 |
| elmiko | good point | 00:22 |
| elmiko | wish i could go | 00:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | I will probably not be able to attend | 00:22 |
| elmiko | yea, i figured ;) | 00:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | and I know sigmavirus24_awa is going too, but not sure about his schedule | 00:23 |
| miguelgrinberg | oh and etoews is going too | 00:23 |
| elmiko | looks like it will be an awesome conf | 00:23 |
| elmiko | ok, so i'm guessing nothing to talk about in terms of APIImpact? | 00:24 |
| ryansb | I don't have anything | 00:24 |
| miguelgrinberg | I haven't reviewed the list recently, so nothing in particular from me | 00:24 |
| elmiko | k | 00:24 |
| elmiko | #topic open discussion | 00:24 |
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| elmiko | anything else? | 00:24 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I guess we are done? | 00:26 |
| ryansb | I think so | 00:26 |
| elmiko | sounds like it | 00:26 |
| elmiko | thanks guys | 00:26 |
| miguelgrinberg | nice and simple :) | 00:26 |
| elmiko | =) | 00:27 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 00:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 00:27:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-02-00.10.html | 00:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-02-00.10.txt | 00:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-02-00.10.log.html | 00:27 |
| ryansb | :) thanks folks | 00:27 |
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| miguelgrinberg | thanks, see you next time | 00:27 |
| elmiko | have fun at pycon! | 00:27 |
| miguelgrinberg | yup, sure I will | 00:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: hi | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: hi | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Let’s get started. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 15:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess you’ve seen that the specs repository has been opened for Liberty. | 15:02 |
| * carl_baldwin almost wrote Kilo. :| | 15:02 | |
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| carl_baldwin | It looks like IPAM is set to go for Liberty. That is good. | 15:03 |
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| johnbelamaric | yes, it is moved to liberty already - thanks for your +2 :) | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I think it was already on its way but I thought I’d speak up anyway. :) | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | For Kilo, we did get subnet allocation merged. Also, the L3 agent restructuring scope defined for Kilo was completed in its entirety. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t plan any more major restructuring for a while. That was a lot of effort by a number of us. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| amuller | bp/report-ha-router-master is in the bag | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: nice! | 15:07 |
| amuller | my hair slowed down its decent into greyness | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: That is important. ;) | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | I actually don’t have much for today. So, I thought we could go in to an open agenda. | 15:09 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I wanted to discuss the possible approaches for IPAM | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | I think a couple options came up | 15:10 |
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| johnbelamaric | So, we have the current path we are on - Pavel is continuing that now | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: You have the floor. | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | But I understand there were some concerns about the desire for a more extensive refactor that will take the IPAM calls outside (before) the database transactions | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Could you summarize the current path for the benefit of the meeting? | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | I wanted to know where folks stood on that | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | sure | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | We have refactored the DB base plugin to call out to the IPAM driver. However, because the subclasses actually start the transaction prior to call up the chain, we end up inside a DB transaction during the IPAM calls. This required us to pass the session down to the driver | 15:12 |
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| johnbelamaric | so the current path is to allow this to go forward as is, passing the context (or at least the session) own to the driver. this means there is not a complete separation of the layers | 15:13 |
| johnbelamaric | the alternative is a more extensive refactor that will touch the plugins as well as the DB base | 15:13 |
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| salv-orlando | I would like to explore the alternative, just as an attempt | 15:14 |
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| salv-orlando | but I feel like I would be asking too much | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Right, past experience — as salv-orlando may be able to provide more insight — seems to show that going to an external system inside a transaction can cause issues. | 15:14 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: yeah I'm still fighting these issues in the vmware plugin | 15:15 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: well, my thinking right now is to pursue both paths - and we (infoblox) can provide some help to make that attempt at least | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | on one side there's an eventlet issue, which will be fixed in a "systemic" way, on the other side long transactions should be avoided when possible | 15:15 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes, though salv-orlando mentioned on teh ML that he thought that issue will be resolved by oslo db | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Does anyone see a disadvantage to taking a two-phased approach? | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: yes that is the systemic way | 15:16 |
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| johnbelamaric | so that oslodb fix makes the current path viable, at least | 15:16 |
| johnbelamaric | if not the cleanest | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: salv-orlando: does this resolution by oslo db involve addressing the eventlet/mysql deadlock issues? | 15:16 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: definetely not the cleanest. pavel_bondar has done a great job. But calling that clean is a bit too much ;) | 15:16 |
| johnbelamaric | my thinking of doing both paths is really to help ensure the acceptance by the larger community - I want to make sure that at least on of these things merges :) | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: yes. Basically it's not even at the oslo-db level, I think the solution is at the lowest level in the "db stack" | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | replacing the mysql driver with a pure python one | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: That makes sense. | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | that is aware of greenthreads | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | … and is what I was thinking. | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: still, if a transactions is long because it does 999 db operations, that's fine, it's understandable | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | but if a DB transaction is kept open for performing remote calls, that should be avoided | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | initially we have been leveraging this anti-pattern because it provided a quick and easy way to abort the DB operation on backend failures. | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | on the other hand, as pavel_bondar's work proves, this is not enough to achieve a consistent system, you still need to rollback on the backend | 15:20 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway, I'm probably writing too much stuff which is of no use for this meeting | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I agree with you. I’m a fan of fixing the db greenthread thing regardless of its impact on this and I agree it won’t give us license to keep transactions open arbitrarily. | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: yes, and even that is risky because other users of the external system may also need the thing you are rolling back the create of - that is, it's not a distributed transaction so there are race conditions anyway you cut it | 15:20 |
| salv-orlando | basically, I believe that the work from pavel_bondar can be easily transformed into an IPAM integration library, which will be used in a composition fashion by plugins. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | I tend to think that we need to design it to fail in the best way possible and then provide some way to clean up artifacts that remain, either on-demand or periodically. | 15:22 |
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| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: yes, that was the original thinking in the spec and at the mid-cycle. | 15:22 |
| salv-orlando | this means that the code however won't be in db_base_plugin_v2. Rather than providing both solutions and merging them (I expect pushback on that), I would spend next week trying to see how achievable is that. | 15:22 |
| salv-orlando | and then make a call together | 15:22 |
| salv-orlando | a two-phased approach where we first merge code in one way and then take it out of db_base_plugin sounds like unnecessary effort on our side. | 15:22 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: ok. i didn't expect both solutions to merge, just one of the two. but I want to make sure something merges. I am concerned about pushback if many plugins need changes. | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: so I am thinking we try out the bigger refactor in parallel to see how viable it is (as you say) | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: but we have the fallback to the current plan if it is too much change/risk for the larger refactor | 15:24 |
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| johnbelamaric | there is also the question of the "switch" to use the old code path or to use the pluggable code path. as i understood it that was not looked upon very well by the larger neutron team. | 15:27 |
| pavel_bondar | If we are implementing IPAM on plugin level, we will still have two path with new IPAM for updated plugins and with old ipam for non-updated one. So two path will present in Liberty too? | 15:27 |
| johnbelamaric | I suppose if plugins use the composition path then they never call the super method on the db plugin so that the switch isn't needed | 15:27 |
| pavel_bondar | Or plan is to update all plugins before Liberty? | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: I think the idea would be that plugins can update to use the pluggable IPAM via composition, or they can continue to call super and get the existing IPAM | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | So we would focus on ML2 and then can discuss whether we want to re-work the other plugins or not | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it will be difficult to require all plugins to move. Especially with the move to get plugin code out of tree. | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes, if it's out-of-tree then there is little hope for moving all. so, I think we leave the old path - but that leaves a lot of old crufty code around until everyone moves to the newer version | 15:29 |
| salv-orlando | the call to super does not do exclusively IPAM. But you can call it with a param that says - please don't do IPAM, I already have sorted it out | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Is there much code that could be refactored to reduce code duplication? | 15:30 |
| salv-orlando | and the base class will reply: "sure thing, sir. It is a shame you do not use anymore our IPAM services, but I hear they will be deprecated anyway" | 15:31 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: possibly some of it could be changed to call out to a common routine with reference driver. salv-orlando probably has a better sense of it than I do | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: We need to be sure that message is translated. ;) | 15:32 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: that would work | 15:32 |
| johnbelamaric | so, it sounds like we want to take a crack at the larger refactor and at least see what it will take | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: +1 | 15:35 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: I think you mentioned you wanted to do this, but I can take a look at it next week if you want instead | 15:37 |
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| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: I think I will have a crack at it over the weekend. But if you do not see anything by next tuesday, go ahead | 15:38 |
| salv-orlando | because weekends for me never turn out as planned | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: I hear you. ok, sounds like a plan. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss? | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: i think i am all set | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks, all. | 15:44 |
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| johnbelamaric | thanks. have a good weekend | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Let’s get Kilo buttoned up and get a lot of good stuff planned for Liberty. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 15:45:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-02-15.01.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-02-15.01.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-02-15.01.log.html | 15:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong banix hemanthravi: hi | 17:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 17:59 |
| banix | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
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| Yi | hi | 18:00 |
| huichun | hello sahara meeting room? | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: songole Yi: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | huichun: not quite | 18:00 |
| songole | Hello | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 18:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_2nd.2C_March_26th.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still have the pending critical bugs from last time | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh-gv has made progress, and his UTs are passing on: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1433530 | 18:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1433530 in Group Based Policy "GBP Kilo release should be in sync with Neutron Kilo" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/165377 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however we will need to test this with the gate job as well | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164920/ | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah, last time magesh said he wanted to test | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i think we are blocked on that | 18:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yes | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i will follow up with him | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs we want to discuss today? | 18:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | also, there was the matter about checking whether a service could be provided by an EP or not | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i forgot to change the topic! ;-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah true | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: was there a conclusion to that discussion? | 18:05 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | I think we certainly have to keep in mind that some services (eg. LB) can't be instantiated when the EP is a provider | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | however, we didn't reach a consensus on whether this should be validated or ignored | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i am in favor of validation, might not be needed in this patch (can be filed as a follow up bug) | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we should think of this also in the context of the service chain refactor (assuming there's any on Kilo) | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes that is on the cards for kilo | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the extent of refactor itself can be discussed :-) | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so we may want to wait for that before even fixing #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hmmm, since you already have patch that is tested, i am inclined go with this fix for now | 18:08 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: except it's not tested :) | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but assuming magesh takes the item, then we could go through with it | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, point taken, let me rephrase, it does not break existing functionality :-) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: do you recommend reducing the priority of this bug? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we cannot sit on a critical for this long | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mmmh no it's actually super important at least as far as the "consumer" use case is cocerned | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | especially since the patch is already posted | 18:10 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | probably I should have done two different patches | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, i was going to say, can you remove the part which you were not able to test functionally? | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | That would be patch set 1 | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: and after that you factored in igordcard_’s comment? | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I can load another patchset which is a mirror of patchset 1 | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yes | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | then the difference between 1 and 2 could be pushed in a separate branch for magesh to test | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | how does it look? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: that works for me, and then between you, magesh and igordcard_ we can figure out how to best test the case (and what constraints we need to check for) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes what you said ;-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss today? | 18:13 |
| igordcard_ | alright :) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration Tests | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so my merged to start running the test ingegration tests was merged over the weekend | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is currently an experimental job | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so you have to go “check experimental" | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: nice! | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: is it running actual tests? I've seen it failing a couple of times | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but it does run a complete end to end tst | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, i was getting to the tests | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently the test script is in the form of a devstack exercises script | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this is not a functional test, its an integration test | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but it does exercise all the resources | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it brings up a VM, etx | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *etc | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | going forward we need to add functional tests | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also tempest API tests | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also we will merges going forward only if the experimental job succeeds | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (we will be turning the experimental job to a voting job soon) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *merge | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What needs to happen before this becomes a voting job? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does that sound reasonable to everyone | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was hoping that we observed the behavior for a little more | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and my hope was to also have added the functional tests by now | 18:18 |
| Yi | +1 | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i spent time on it, but i made only limited progress | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: Yi: thanks for the confirmation | 18:19 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: for every patch we manually trigger this test, right? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: correct, and i know its painful | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so apologies in advance | 18:19 |
| rkukura | Can we make it automatically trigger, but not vote yet? | 18:19 |
| yapeng | no problem. +1 | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we cant make the job voting until we are confident that the job is solid | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we can make it non-voting | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: then it will be another infra patch to make it voting, so i was trying to save my trouble (and the reviewers time) ;-) | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay anything more on that? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you are interested in contributing to the functional/integration tests, please do let me know | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can help you get started | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging Update | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything at your end? | 18:21 |
| rkukura | I havern’t had a chance to update the juno-based fedora packages with the stable release yet, but hope to in the next week | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok good | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did we miss the end of march deadline for fedora 22? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had checked with magesh, and he said it would not have been possible to get his patch ready over the weekend | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i gave up on that | 18:23 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I have not seen anything furtther on whethe they went with juno or kilo for f22. I need to check. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:23 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: quick question | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: go head | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *ahed | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *ahead | 18:24 |
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| rkukura | Are there any additional patches we should include in an additional stable release before it gets packaged? | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not that i am aware of | 18:26 |
| rkukura | ok, thanks | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i already tagged the new stable | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but good point | 18:26 |
| rkukura | I saw that for gbp, and assume the other repos also have stable releases | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if anyone wants to backport anything more to the stable, please speak up at the earliest | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:27 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: do we need to backport EP providing chains? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: your call | 18:27 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | I think we should | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i am good with backporting it since, its a contained change | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ok | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ad least for the consuming (I said providing before) at least | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in that case i think we will have to wait for Ivar to post a new patch, wait for it to merge, and then do the backport | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets plan to wrap this up in a day, since we had already reviewed the first patchset | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the docs | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we do have readthedocs now building our docs: | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | http://group-based-policy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: (The new patch is there btw) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its a different matter that we need to update the docs themselves (a little bit) :-) | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the docs are currently being built in readthedocs on demand | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is an infra job to automate that too, so we can do that eventually | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:30 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, where is the source for them? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: its in the tree | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/tree/master/doc/source | 18:31 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, right! thanks | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please feel free to suggest updates and additions | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you will need to submit a new patch just like any other code patch | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we had removed the project proposal patch from WIP last week | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then we put it back to WIP ;-) | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was a discussion in the TC meeting on this proposal | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the question asked was whether GBP was circumventing neutron | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since in the current model, it seems that the TC wants to preserve the interactions to the core infrastructure pieces through the current established projects (like neutron, nova, etc) | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | some of the team members engaged in the discussion and provided clarifying comments | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we do not know if the opinion has changed or now | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *not | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so currently the patch is still in WIP, and we will try to work through this | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | questions/comments? | 18:36 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is it still on the agenda for the next TC meeting? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i do see it on the agenda, but i think it made it there by default (i did not request it) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we have to decide if we need more time, and accordingly we can request ttx to remove it from the agenda | 18:38 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: do we plan on addressing their concerns in a separate session / code walkthrough? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking we need more time to really understand the objections and what we need to do about them. | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am very much agreement | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: +1 | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i do not believe there is a process for that, but i think its a great idea if they have the time and inclination | 18:39 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | I think mainly there are some still seeing GBP as it was 1 year ago. It changed quite a bit but obviously we need to make a greater effort sending the message through | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sure | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so everyone in this team is empowered to send that message | 18:40 |
| hemanthravi | ivar +1, need to reiterate GBP is a app oriented API that uses neutron to realize the networking required | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we do need to coordinate a little bit, but beyond that, please feel free to suggest options and follow up | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: do you have a forum in mind that you think we need to send that message to (and we havent already)? | 18:42 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam:this was done at the tc meeting, not sure of any other forum | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay if there are no more comments on this, we need to get to the remaining items | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156776 merged | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we are waiting on: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156856 | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng over to you | 18:44 |
| Yi | I was syncning with Ivar on a couple of his concerns | 18:44 |
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| Yi | but otherwise, should have new update very soon | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: thats great! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: was there anything more you wanted to discuss? | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: it's been an awesome job! ping me if you have questions on my comments | 18:46 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam, no issue right now. | 18:46 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: no -- but if other members have concerns, please make your comments now | 18:46 |
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| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: I will ping you right after this meeting | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng thanks | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it will help if you can take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156856 as well | 18:47 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I will | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was expecting a longer discussion on this, hence try to hurry up earlier :-) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh regarding the floating IP support | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think magesh is doing that on the background but needs the Kilo-parity to work before he can get the floating IPs going | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | klio-parity with Neutron that is | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | did we miss anything today, or anyone want to circle back to the earlier topics? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or get 10 mins of our time back? ;-) | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything you wanted to discuss on the hands on lab? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for vancouver summit | 18:51 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, I dropped a comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149798/ a few days ago | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I'd like to set up a discussion for when I'm back from Italy | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: sorry did not respond, i will get back to you, the issue is reproducible | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | just to make sure we are well organized and understand how we want to drive the session | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sure | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: that bug is in the context of shared resources | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | obviously we want to show the awesome power of rainbow intents, but I'd like to sink up with the core team on the actual set of demonstrations we want to show | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:53 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: great | 18:53 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, okay... will reproduce it with shared resources then | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: sorry i stand corrected | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: i need to go back and check | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: i will follow up | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright, thanks everyone | 18:55 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, thanks | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:55 |
| igordcard_ | bye all | 18:55 |
| Yi | later | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 18:55:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-02-18.01.html | 18:55 |
| yapeng | bye | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-02-18.01.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-02-18.01.log.html | 18:55 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:55 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:56 |
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| mattgriffin | megm_, ping | 21:00 |
| megm_ | Hi, Matt! | 21:00 |
| mattgriffin | hey. i'm going to start the meeting... | 21:00 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 21:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 21:01 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, i had a couple of items on the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:01 |
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| megm_ | Is nick here? | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, don't think so. said he was in a sprint for the First App | 21:02 |
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| megm_ | Ah, I didn't realize that meant he wasn't joining us... | 21:03 |
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| mattgriffin | action item from last week... check if the network-guide people have agreed to cover HA in their guide | 21:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 21:04 |
| mattgriffin | heh.. hey Sam-I-Am !!! | 21:04 |
| megm_ | And Nick says yes. | 21:04 |
| mattgriffin | was just about to share what you emailed me :) | 21:04 |
| * Sam-I-Am sotired | 21:04 | |
| mattgriffin | :) | 21:04 |
| mattgriffin | re: if HA was going to be included in the Networking Guide | 21:04 |
| megm_ | Anyone connect with Sahara people? I looked around and can't even figure out who/where they are | 21:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | mattgriffin: did my reply make sense? | 21:05 |
| megm_ | Why so tired, Sam-I-Am? | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, didn't connect. don't know who to contact | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | megm_: overwhelmed | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | tis the season for release | 21:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hey its a nick | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | welcome nickchase | 21:05 |
| nickchase | Hey, all, so sorry I'm late. | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | np | 21:05 |
| nickchase | hey, guys | 21:06 |
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| megm_ | Ah yes, Sam-I-Am... I hope the adreneline holds out ;-) | 21:06 |
| megm_ | Hi, Nick | 21:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least i'm not the latest one here | 21:06 |
| megm_ | Sahara is secondary importance... | 21:06 |
| nickchase | :) Hi, megm | 21:06 |
| nickchase | I agree on Sahara. | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 21:06 |
| megm_ | We need conversion/file set-up to proceed, though | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | let's hold off | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ re: conversion | 21:06 |
| nickchase | oh, heavens, I think I dropped the ball on that before I went on vacation | 21:07 |
| nickchase | I'm sorry | 21:07 |
| nickchase | let me do that right now. | 21:07 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 21:07 |
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| megm_ | nick, +1 | 21:08 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, nickchase just routed you an email from Sam-I-Am with a few answers to questions | 21:09 |
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| megm_ | looking... | 21:09 |
| mattgriffin | re: networking, Sam-I-Am's advice is to include the basics. the Networking Guide will cover HA | 21:09 |
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| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, sit back and relax. i'll type everything for you today :) | 21:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mattgriffin: ha | 21:10 |
| megm_ | Sounds like we're close to a +2 on TOC? | 21:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes, minus a few ordering things and minor topic tuning | 21:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | things that will most likely happen during content generation | 21:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | "oh hmmm we should do this" | 21:11 |
| Shamail | hello! | 21:11 |
| megm_ | Sam-I-Am, please fix (or tell me how to fix) anything you see in TOC. | 21:11 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, aye | 21:11 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, hello! | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | megm_: nothing seems to need fixing yet | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:12 |
| nickchase | I'm close to +1 on TOC, I just need confirmation from Bogdan. as I was saying I am meeting with him probably tomorrow or Monday | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, ok. great | 21:13 |
| megm_ | The ordering has me concerned -- and yes, we will certainly modify it during development, but we should start as good as we can. I'm concerned that we've got something like Step 3 stuff that presupposes Step 8 stuff... | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | the sections are pretty independent | 21:13 |
| Shamail | FWIW (which isn't much), I'm +1 on TOC already | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | meaning someone can HA keystone without the nova content | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | or write how to HA all the apis without other stuff | 21:13 |
| Shamail | But Sam-I-Am, do we plan on going into project-specific HA details for each component? We also had a discussion last week on inclusion... Integrated-release projects only for the first re-vamp? | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a few things with question marks like "glance with swift or ceph backend?" | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | glance doesnt work redundant without a redundant backend, so we need something there. | 21:14 |
| Shamail | HA for Keystone will be different for HA for HEAT, etc | 21:14 |
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| Shamail | from* not for | 21:15 |
| nickchase | I'm for limiting scope as much as possible for first go-round. | 21:15 |
| megm_ | Ooh, I should fix that. I think we've added a separate section about "Storage backends" that will cover the swift/ceph/etc issues | 21:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | seems to be that swift is more 'in-tree' than ceph, so it would be used first | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, +1 | 21:16 |
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| megm_ | So we handle control plane for data and data plane separately -- this should be cleaner. | 21:16 |
| Shamail | megm_: +1 | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | people still tend to think if it on a service basis | 21:17 |
| megm_ | But Ceph really is an HA storage backend with redundant storage and all that... And it handles image, object, and ephemeral storage. | 21:17 |
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| Shamail | as do many options.... | 21:18 |
| Shamail | this is why decoupling project/service level HA guidelines from the impact infrastructure decisions have is necessary | 21:18 |
| nickchase | Until Ceph is an "official" OpenStack project Swift needs to take precedence. | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | or $openstackproject | 21:18 |
| nickchase | Not that we shouldn't cover it ever, but Swift needs to come first, for better or worse. | 21:19 |
| mattgriffin | +1. that should be our go-to answer when this comes up... b/c it will again | 21:19 |
| nickchase | Indeed it will. | 21:19 |
| Shamail | Agreed, I could make a counter-point about how Manila supports NFS via Cinder and LVM. | 21:19 |
| Shamail | but +1 on swift | 21:19 |
| megm_ | We need good, detailed info about making the control planes highly-available, then a separate discussion about making sure that I DON'T LOSE MY DATA. | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, in order of priority, i think the infra stuff is most important (because everything relies on it), followed by keystone, followed by everything else. | 21:20 |
| Shamail | I missed the beginning, what is infra stuff? data plane? | 21:20 |
| megm_ | And that will be more high-level and conceptual with links elsewhere for configuration details. We also need to mention stuff like Netapps, remote backup with NFS, EMC, et cetera | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | and some of the "everything else" might have a line like "requires swift, you might want to HA it first" | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | Shamail: sql db, rabbit, memcache, and host-level things | 21:21 |
| Shamail | got it Sam-I-Am, +1 | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | then keystone, because everything uses it | 21:21 |
| Shamail | yep | 21:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if we decide glance relies on swift for ha, we should build out the swift ha content first. | 21:22 |
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| megm_ | And HAProxy or an appropriate switch seems part of infra | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, haproxy is infra too | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | since you'll be adding things to it as you add services | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | $loadbal | 21:22 |
| Shamail | This is a useful graphic from a blog post for this convo: http://www.joinfu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/OpenStack-Non-library-Project-Dependency-Graph.png | 21:23 |
| megm_ | So people need to really pick apart the "Basic Environment" and "Basic HA facilities" sections in the TOC | 21:23 |
| Shamail | We could prioritize based on hard dependencies | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | Shamail: something like that | 21:23 |
| megm_ | We have some info about Pacemaker/Corosync but someone (bogdan?) said we need to also include LSB/upstart/systemd alternative | 21:24 |
| mattgriffin | based on this discussion, sounds like the ToC needs a little more polish (reordering, focus on swift, etc.) | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | perhaps more like order of priority of work, not necessarily order of presentation | 21:25 |
| megm_ | We do not have any existing information about that and it's probably important to get that in sooner rather than later -- it may trickle down into the rest of the doc... | 21:25 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ can you bring that up when you chat with Bogdan? | 21:25 |
| megm_ | I think priority of work is: 1) set up files 2) convert existing material 3) update info about infra components | 21:26 |
| nickchase | mattgriffin yes I will | 21:26 |
| megm_ | Other pieces can be worked in parallel, because updating existing material also needs to be a priority | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, that sounds like a good process | 21:26 |
| megm_ | We don't want to go forward with erroneous info; missing info is more tolerable, albeit noxious ;-) | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | also remove defunct material so people dont wor kon it | 21:27 |
| megm_ | But all that can be done in parallel, and we need the basic infra structure stuff in place before we can thoroughly develop/test any of the other pieces, including Swift | 21:28 |
| Shamail | Did we decide on A/A and A/P? Per section or a section on its own? | 21:29 |
| Shamail | I don't even know how it could be own its own. | 21:29 |
| mattgriffin | per section i believe | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | active active whenever possible | 21:29 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, +1 | 21:29 |
| Shamail | Sounds good, so we want to be opinionated. | 21:29 |
| Shamail | +1 | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | when isnt openstack opinionated? heh | 21:30 |
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| mattgriffin | so next steps... | 21:30 |
| Shamail | :) | 21:30 |
| megm_ | Shamail, we want to be avuncular and offer good advice whenever possible ;-) | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | basically a "well tested, well documented happy patch" | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | path | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | and of course over time things will change | 21:30 |
| mattgriffin | while nickchase is talking to Bogdan, perhaps we should take one more look at the ToC content | 21:30 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, was also going to look into converting the content, yes? | 21:31 |
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| nickchase | I'm making the framework right now | 21:31 |
| Shamail | mattgriffin: +1 but lets close this topic soon to start making progess. Files could be created in parallel. I think the priorities outlined by megm_ look good. | 21:31 |
| megm_ | What is the nick-bogdan conversation? If Bogdan is going to look at the TOC in detail, that should be pretty reliable | 21:32 |
| nickchase | (And I do literally mean right now.) | 21:32 |
| nickchase | Yes, he's going to look at it in detail. | 21:32 |
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| megm_ | If Nick gets the basics set up and converts the text, I can work on the clean-up of both RST code and prose -- assuming I can get past my gerrit woes, which is a sine qua non | 21:32 |
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| mattgriffin | so if Bogdan's review is positive, i don't see any reason why we can't start with megm_ 's proposed 1, 2, 3 steps next week | 21:33 |
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| nickchase | agreed. | 21:33 |
| Shamail | mattgriffin: +1 | 21:33 |
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| megm_ | So we're actually going to write this thing? And not just talk about it more? ;-) | 21:33 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 21:33 |
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| megm_ | I'm so excited! | 21:34 |
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| mattgriffin | how do you want to handle responsibilities for the different sections? | 21:34 |
| mattgriffin | just thinking about how to efficiently proceed through it and use all of the resources at our disposal (and identify gaps) | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | firs tthing is prioritizing them | 21:35 |
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| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, can we do that now based on the section numbers in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC ? | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'd say adding priority tags to the roc | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | toc | 21:36 |
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| mattgriffin | ack | 21:36 |
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| Shamail | prioritizing should be a good next step | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | mattgriffin: its pretty close, but i bet swift comes before glance | 21:37 |
| megm_ | Priority for verifying (or fixing) accuracy of old material is high for everything | 21:37 |
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| megm_ | Priority for developing new material can be established... | 21:37 |
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| mattgriffin | perhaps adding a P1, P2, P3 next to each section title? just to keep it simple | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 21:38 |
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| mattgriffin | probably a few P1s and mostly P2s | 21:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | P1 would be infra stuff | 21:38 |
| megm_ | What about testing the procedures as we get them written? How do we handle that? Does anyone have adequate hardware? | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | #action nickchase work on converting docs | 21:38 |
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| mattgriffin | #action nickchase review ToC with Bogdan | 21:38 |
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| mattgriffin | #action add priorities (P1, P2, P3, etc) next to each section title in the ToC | 21:39 |
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| megm_ | Who adds priorities? | 21:39 |
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| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, can you own that? ^ | 21:40 |
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| mattgriffin | at least to get us moving forward (they might change) | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i can tag them for the most part | 21:40 |
| mattgriffin | thanks | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i really cant do much more until kilo | 21:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have too much on my plate | 21:41 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, ack | 21:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | as it seems i'm the only guy updating the install guide for kilo :/ | 21:41 |
| nickchase | We can tag them wen we go through it with Biogdan as well. | 21:41 |
| megm_ | Nick, be sure that Bogdan looks at the "Other" section at the end -- some of those items are P1, others are P2 and P3 | 21:41 |
| Shamail | Sam-I-Am: ouch | 21:41 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, great | 21:41 |
| Shamail | thanks nickchase | 21:42 |
| Shamail | can we make that an agenda item for next week? review tags as a group | 21:42 |
| megm_ | And some are out of order -- basically, that "Other" section should go away and the items in it be put in appropriate locations | 21:42 |
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| mattgriffin | Shamail, yes. good idea | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wont be here next week... traveling | 21:42 |
| Shamail | Sam-I-Am: good to know | 21:42 |
| nickchase | megm will do | 21:43 |
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| mattgriffin | any other action items? | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, i take it my job is doing base prio on the toc | 21:44 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, aye | 21:44 |
| Shamail | yessir | 21:44 |
| mattgriffin | please | 21:44 |
| nickchase | sam-i-am I will also ask Bogdan | 21:44 |
| nickchase | so you won't beon yoru own there | 21:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 21:45 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, can you email around after you do the conversion with info on how to access? i'm a newbie in this area and would like to play a bit to get up to speed | 21:45 |
| megm_ | Also everyone think about which pieces they want to own... I can help with writing/coding of anything | 21:45 |
| Shamail | same here plz | 21:45 |
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| mattgriffin | megm_, will do | 21:45 |
| nickchase | absolutely | 21:46 |
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| mattgriffin | any other items to discuss for today? | 21:46 |
| nickchase | I finished the framework but need to get it into gerrit | 21:46 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 21:46 |
| megm_ | It would be good if everyone did conversion "clean-up" on one section just to get a feel for what is there... | 21:46 |
| nickchase | definitely | 21:47 |
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| nickchase | I would be more than happy to leave the actual conversion to other people. :) | 21:47 |
| Shamail | megm_: I can try one but might need help | 21:47 |
| megm_ | I have nothing more for today... | 21:47 |
| nickchase | me neither | 21:47 |
| mattgrif_ | bah... starbucks wifi | 21:48 |
| Shamail | lol | 21:48 |
| megm_ | We can all help each other, right? | 21:48 |
| Shamail | nothing more here either | 21:48 |
| mattgrif_ | cool. thanks everyone. going to end the meeting. notes will be available at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings soon | 21:48 |
| mattgrif_ | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
| nickchase | thanks | 21:48 |
| nickchase | later! | 21:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | excellent | 21:48 |
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| Shamail | Do we want to have some time to meet in person at the summit? | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | see y'all in the future | 21:48 |
| megm_ | Have a great week everyone! | 21:48 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 21:48:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:48 |
| Shamail | I can provide a room for a hour or so | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-02-21.01.html | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-02-21.01.txt | 21:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-02-21.01.log.html | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | Shamail: sure | 21:49 |
| Shamail | cool, i'll send an email | 21:49 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, sounds like a great idea | 21:49 |
| Shamail | cya | 21:49 |
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