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| ttx | Anyone here for the storyboard meeting ? | 16:01 |
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| yolanda | i'm here | 16:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 16:02 |
| ttx | ALright, anyone wants to chair ? | 16:03 |
| ttx | I have a kid to care for so I'd rather pass :) | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | hey | 16:03 |
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| ttx | That time is not idea to me | 16:03 |
| ttx | krotscheck: we were just looking for a chair | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Saw that | 16:03 |
| yolanda | on call this week again, i'm reading but i cannot dedicate 100% time | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | I'll be split between oslo and this channel. | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | I'll do it. Sec | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 13 16:04:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Meeting Time | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting Time (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:05 | |
| krotscheck | I'm putting this frist because we've had... what, one real meeting in the last month? | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | Is there a better time, or has everyone started to focus on other projects/ | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | ? | 16:05 |
| yolanda | yes, sorry that i've been unavailable for long | 16:05 |
| yolanda | i've been tied between meeting, being on-call and holiday | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 16:06 |
| ttx | I'd rather move one hour earlier, at this hour I have a kid to care for | 16:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | The current time is fine for me | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Well, we can move the meeting earlier an hour because the U.S. has switched over to silly daylight savings. | 16:06 |
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| yolanda | it's fine for me, situation for myself should be the same being a bit earlier or later | 16:06 |
| ttx | sounds good to me | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Any objection to moving an hour earlier? yolanda ? | 16:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I'm fine with tat too | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Ok, let's do that. Having ttx around will definitely help things | 16:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that* | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Move meeting an hour earlier | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Any volunteers to update the wiki>? | 16:07 |
| yolanda | i can do it | 16:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | what about chanel availability btw | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | #action yolanda Update wiki to move storyboard meeting an horu earlier. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Good question! | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | this one seems to be free | 16:08 |
| yolanda | i was logged here an hour later, and no meetings | 16:08 |
| yolanda | hour earlier i mean | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've not seen any either | 16:08 |
| ttx | just make sure to push it to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings too so that we book the slot | 16:08 |
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| ttx | -3 is free the hour before | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | I don't see anything in this channel on the meeting list. | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | So let's stay in this channel | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Agenda :https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from last week. | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week. (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:09 | |
| krotscheck | I don't think we have anything. | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | That review is relatively old | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:10 | |
| krotscheck | Anything? | 16:10 |
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| ttx | nothing on fire as far as I know | 16:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | is import script fine now? | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: I believe so | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Feedback (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:11 | |
| yolanda | ok, wiki updated | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback (lots of comments) | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Feedback (lots of comments) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:11 | |
| krotscheck | Ok, so we landed the patch that removes API-based page limits. It's not optimal - for instance the project group page is crazy big now. | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | But at least the project group page now filters properly :). | 16:11 |
| yolanda | i got some private pings asking for SB situation and replacement, since Monty's announcement | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: There's a discussion on Infra about replacing it with Phabricator | 16:12 |
| yolanda | i know yes, i just told people about that option | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org/msg02591.html | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | That discussions eems to have fizzled, and nobody's stepped up to provide the resources to integrate it into infra. | 16:13 |
| ttx | right, it's a bit stalled until we have the discussion in-person in Vancouver | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | So without something _actually_ replacing storyboard, we're still a live project through may | 16:14 |
| ttx | We should have a shiny demo ready to show current status of SB | 16:14 |
| yolanda | yes, i think that Vancouver should be the ideal place to discuss about it | 16:14 |
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| yolanda | it may involve more effort to start and adapt a new project, than continue working on SB | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | I guess the question is: Do we care? | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | We have users. We have users who _like_ storyboard. | 16:15 |
| ttx | At this point I'd say we should continue with the limited resources we have. At least until Vancouver | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | We have a vision, a roadmap, and some really awesome thigns that get people excited. | 16:15 |
| yolanda | i'm sorry to say that i'm very very limited to contribute now | 16:15 |
| ttx | also LP -> Phab -> SB could be a thing too | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | Yet Another Ticket Tracker | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | Sounds like we want to talk in Vancouver then. | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Do we have a venue and/or time? | 16:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | unfortunatelly, I'll not be able to make it to Vancouver | 16:17 |
| yolanda | i will be there | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Argh! | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: will aripinen be able to make it? | 16:18 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: neither he will | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | That sucks. | 16:18 |
| yolanda | :( | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Well, I hope you can make it to Tokyo, because I will very likely not be able to make it. | 16:19 |
| * krotscheck isn't willing to leave his wife alone at home with a newborn. | 16:19 | |
| ttx | krotscheck: not yet | 16:19 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Do you have a recommendation? Infra track, working rooms, etc etc. | 16:20 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Vancouver Summit | 16:21 |
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| ttx | That will likely be a fishbowl Infra session | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Ok. | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Seems like the best place to put it. | 16:21 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topics | 16:22 |
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| krotscheck | Manuall data fix or migration with no downgrades: That's fixed. | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | Email Spooling: No progress, I have that on my plate for this week. | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | #topic Pagination/Search | 16:22 |
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| krotscheck | Still an outstanding disagreement on this, and there's been no progress. Nikki's been absorbed by gozer, so I propose we abandon that spec. | 16:23 |
| yolanda | i guess Nikki won't be able to work on that for now | 16:23 |
| ttx | absorbed by gozer sounds like a painful death | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | Actually, let me adjust the topic.... | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic Old Specs | 16:24 |
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| krotscheck | We've got a bunch of these. Permissions, Streaming, Story Types (looks like impl), Task Milestone, Paging | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | Story Tyupes and Task Milestones already have code against it, however the specs have not been approved. | 16:25 |
| ttx | yeah, we've had some stuckj because none of us has infra-specs +2 | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | That seems like... | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | ....infra is blocking us. | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | Do we need our own specs repo? | 16:25 |
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| yolanda | i'd like if SB was more isolated from infra | 16:26 |
| ttx | well, I guess that ties into the previous discussion -- is SB still an infra project | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | I agree with yolanda | 16:26 |
| ttx | and we won't have the answer until a few weeks I think | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | In fact, it should have been from the outset. | 16:26 |
| ttx | If it's no longer an infra thing, then we can spin out to stackforge and let it live its life | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Allowing infra to continually weigh in on features, and to force us to adhere to a much slower approval process, has not done us any favors. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Well, I've pinged the infra channel to start weighing in on our specs. | 16:27 |
| ttx | I wouldn't say exactly that, but there has been misalignment between the two teams for sure | 16:27 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: I'm way angrier than you are :) | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, a good conversation for Vancouver. | 16:28 |
| yolanda | yes, sounds like a good topic to discuss in face to face meetings | 16:29 |
| ttx | but it's true it's difficult to make progress in one direction or another until we have that direct discussion | 16:29 |
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| krotscheck | Personally, I hate how one single -1 from someone basically kills a feature. | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | Because nobody else is willing to weigh in | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | It doesn't matter who it is - if there's one single -1, it feels like nobody actually bothers to look at the code. | 16:29 |
| yolanda | this shouldn't be like that | 16:29 |
| yolanda | as any core can have their own opinion | 16:29 |
| yolanda | but krotscheck, i agree that it's the reality, i find myself trying to fix all -1 when i have them to get the change accepted | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | Yep. And when the -1 is a philosophical disagreement, there's no way to get around it. | 16:30 |
| ttx | right, that's one issue of growing a solution that is already adopted by its main user | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | btw: NikitaKonovalov can we get aripinen to show up to meetings? He's been coding off in the weeds without any engagement with our roadmap. | 16:31 |
| * krotscheck would love to have his opinion. | 16:31 | |
| krotscheck | Anyway | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | (sorry to derail) | 16:31 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: shifting an hour earlier may actually help | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | ttx: I would have no problem accepting those opinions if it was done by someone engaged in the project. | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | And willing to contribute. | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | Either way: Vancouver discussion | 16:32 |
| ttx | right, one of the reasons I tried to stay active | 16:32 |
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| ttx | have a hard stop in 10 min -- anything urgent to discuss ? | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | With relation to the actual discussion topic, there's nothing we can do right now except wait for infra to get around to +2'ing things | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (roadmap) | 16:33 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: What's up with the new roadmap? | 16:33 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, that can derive from my -1 on the unassigned tasks an the discussion we had there | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: That's... actually in a different brainspace for me. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: I'll poke you in channel about it. | 16:34 |
| yolanda | ok, let's talk later | 16:34 |
| ttx | krotscheck: nothing really -- just the idea that we should refresh the prioritized feature list | 16:35 |
| ttx | and that was done | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Ok, so tnothing on the discussion topics. | 16:35 |
| ttx | making sure that page reflects current status | 16:35 |
| ttx | nope | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | Ok, moving to open discussion | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | Let's add thigns to the agenda ! | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | I'm going to put vancouver discussion on the agenda next week. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | Because it feels like we've got a lot of unanswered questions. Let's come up with a list of things we need to settle in vancouver so we have a hit list. | 16:37 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, will be good to have an etherpad for collaboration on topics to raise | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: You got it. | 16:37 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | yep, etherpad is the right thing to use here | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-vancouver-may-2015 | 16:38 |
| ttx | Alright, talk to you all next week, hopefully less busy | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Alright, anything else someone wants to bring up? | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | I _kindof_ do | 16:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | So, I've been working on javascript-related infra things now that the future of StoryBoard is unclear. | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | And, so far, I've managed to get real npm builds into Infra. | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | I'm also currently in a discussion with the bower team to see if we can help extend bower to support openstack-like release tooling. | 16:40 |
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| krotscheck | Furthermore, I've managed to land CORS middleware in oslo.middleware, so we can deprecate our own internal implementation once that becomves available | 16:41 |
| yolanda | what are the features needed for that? | 16:41 |
| yolanda | for bower, i mean | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Well, here's the discussion: https://github.com/bower/bower/issues/1775 | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | That's part of it. The other part is that bower needs to learn how to resolve variable-injected URI's. | 16:41 |
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| krotscheck | Say, if I tell it that my libraries live at https://foo.openstack.org/libname/{{version}}/libname-{{version}}.tgz | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | bower should be smart enough to regex out the version | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | The security discussion I just linked is all about making our package managers for debian and redhat happy | 16:43 |
| yolanda | is that easy to collaborate with them? | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Well, it's about a 12 hour turnaround on comments. | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | And nobody's really in the bower channel. | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | So it's not super easy, but it sounds like they're happy to accept contributions. | 16:43 |
| yolanda | yes, sometimes is a matter of project owners being receptive | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | If I tried the same with the NPM people I suspect I might get a different response :) | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Because OMG Why is that built on couchdb? | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Aaaanyway | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | That's what I have to mention. | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | (Incidentally, if you think landing something in openstack is hard, try oslo :/ | 16:45 |
| yolanda | i'm sorry for not being able to collaborate so much but it's quite heavy for me now | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: No worries. | 16:45 |
| yolanda | if you look at my changes i've been mostly involved on downstream-puppet and nodepool recently | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | I'm going to assume we have nothing else really to discuss at the moment. Want to switch over into channel? | 16:45 |
| yolanda | ok | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone. | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 13 16:45:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-04-13-16.04.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-04-13-16.04.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-04-13-16.04.log.html | 16:46 |
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