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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 13:58 |
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| sreshetnyak | hey | 13:58 |
| elmiko | yo | 13:58 |
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| egafford | Hello! | 13:59 |
| vgridnev_ | hello | 13:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 13:59:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 13:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 13:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how is it going folks? | 14:00 |
| crobertsrh | Mostly the same status as last week. | 14:00 |
| crobertsrh | I have one more change queued-up not on the list, but it will require a new python-saharaclient | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw 0.9.0 client released and global requirements will be updated next week I think (after end of dep freeze for Kilo release preparations) | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | great | 14:01 |
| elmiko | nice | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | I had a few small bug fixes get merged quickly, which was nice | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, cool! | 14:01 |
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| huichun | hi | 14:01 |
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| crobertsrh | If anyone wants to suggest UI enhancements, even before summit, that is great too. | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've actually got no updates on UI | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 14:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please continue filling the etherpad with summit ideas | 14:03 |
| Nikolay_St | working on the spec for cluster health check everybody welcome to review | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | i'm working on scripts for building oozie and swiftfs | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info next IRC meeting (April 30) will be mostly dedicated to design summit sessions discussion | 14:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175363/ | 14:04 |
| huichun_ | working on the scheduled edp jobs | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | I think we need more session ideas | 14:04 |
| vgridnev_ | i am finished work with deprecation of direct engine and also working with autotune hadoop configs | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll start working on composing ideas to summit sessions early next week, so, please, dump your ideas ;) | 14:04 |
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| egafford | Working on unified job interface map impl again, now that we're in a good place on Kilo. | 14:05 |
| sreshetnyak | also i started writing kilo release notes | 14:05 |
| sreshetnyak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-kilo-release-notes | 14:05 |
| elmiko | i've been working on filling out the apiv2 session pad, also the security pad, and examining some of the sahara-image-elements changes | 14:06 |
| crobertsrh | I have to say that I am really liking the sahara-image-elements changes | 14:06 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: +1 | 14:06 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: +1 | 14:06 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak, pino|work, tosky, great work! | 14:06 |
| * pino|work bows and thanks | 14:07 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, +1 pino|work great woek! | 14:07 |
| * tosky just did some testing, nothing important | 14:07 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, some updates on gate jobs | 14:07 |
| sreshetnyak | folks, please add more information in release notes | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we now have all images building for image elements and hadoop-openstack lib and oozie building for -extra | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all of this jobs are now working ok and so I'm thinking about enabling them as voting | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what do you think folks? | 14:08 |
| egafford | tosky: (Testing is kinda important...) | 14:08 |
| elmiko | sounds cool | 14:08 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Enabling those jobs as voting can really only help. | 14:08 |
| sreshetnyak | +1 | 14:09 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: mattf had a question about the gate and usage of -all vs -engine/-api | 14:09 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 | 14:09 |
| pino|work | just note that, given that they download lots of stuff from internet at every generation, any connection/remote website can be blocking, even when unrelated | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, but "recheck" could be used for it | 14:09 |
| elmiko | are we testing distributed mode at the gate yet? | 14:10 |
| pino|work | yeah i now | 14:10 |
| pino|work | *know | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, in sahara-ci all jobs except one with suffix -aio are distributed (-api + few -engine) | 14:10 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: awesome, thanks! | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, in gate (jenkins) -all user, but we'd like to migrate soon to distrib and disable -all in devstack at all | 14:11 |
| pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: do you want to turn image generation jobs as voting, only in master or in all the branches? | 14:11 |
| elmiko | nice, sounds good | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've shared etherpad with you guys with CI plans and I've already discussed it with OpenStack QA folks as well | 14:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, I think starting from current master | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the same for -extra | 14:12 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: yep, sounds nice (the CI plan) | 14:12 |
| pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: if master only, i'd say +1 | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-sahara-ci | 14:12 |
| elmiko | my only concern for voting on master is how frequently the centos builds break =( | 14:12 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: just a question, the lines "For Sahara client/client's tempest tests (in gate some day?)", is it about the Sahara client tests in the sahara repository, not the ones in python-saharaclient, right? | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, should know the correct answer, but I think yes ;) | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in fact the main goal is to enable different OpenStack topologies testing based on fake plugin in gate | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and the rest (test all plugins on one topology) will be tested in sahara ci | 14:14 |
| pino|work | elmiko: do they break often? | 14:14 |
| elmiko | pino|work: they seem to break for me often ;) | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we could see how often we'll face it | 14:14 |
| elmiko | yea, sounds good. and i'm +1 for letting them vote anyways | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we'll be able to make them non-voting anyway if they'll hurt us a lot | 14:16 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: what did you think about adding bandit as a non-voting gate job at some point? | 14:16 |
| elmiko | yea | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, trying to understand the conf file, it's over complicated IMO | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, if you could help with adding tox env for running it in sahara - I'll easily add the job itself | 14:16 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack, i'll take a look =) | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I was looking at https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/bandit.yaml and a bit surprised :) | 14:17 |
| elmiko | yea... | 14:18 |
| elmiko | this is something i can bring up with the ossg too. i'm sure they would love feedback on usage | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, that's cool | 14:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks for looking into it though =) | 14:19 |
| elmiko | one more question about the aio testing, are we going to completely remove aio testing? | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | my plan for gate improvements in order I will work on it - enable image, swiftfs and oozie building jobs as voting, add them to the gate, then enable fake plugin based scenario testing as experimental, implement all scripts for its flexible exec in gate and somewhere in parallel - bandit | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think about keeping one jobs based on fake plugin with aio in gate | 14:20 |
| elmiko | ack | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's in etherpad with CI plans | 14:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think it'll be enough | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, I forget to switch to open discussion | 14:21 |
| elmiko | i need to take another pass at that etherpad, it looked good to me the first time through | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:21 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 14:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, :) | 14:21 |
| Nikolay_St | ho | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, you're not so sure now, isn't it? :) | 14:22 |
| pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: what do you think about my comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175476/ ? | 14:22 |
| Nikolay_St | I have a request for this topic :D and it's related to the review process :D | 14:22 |
| elmiko | lol, no i think it still sounds good. i just wanted to make sure about aio | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, ++, could you please make a patch? | 14:22 |
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| pino|work | sure thing | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, great, I like you idea | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, ? | 14:23 |
| Nikolay_St | guys, it's not neccessary to give a guy more than one "-1" with "rebase it comment" or typo comment. | 14:23 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: noted, and good point | 14:23 |
| Nikolay_St | if you want to track this patch you can just add yourself to the reviewers using "+" in the upper right ;) | 14:24 |
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| Nikolay_St | elmiko: it's a common point in last 2 weeks (may be more) | 14:24 |
| tmckay | hi folks. my bad, still not used to the time change. I came here at 9am but nobody was here :) | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, sometimes there is an issue when you'd like to mark reviewed such patch to hide it from review list, how it could be done? :) | 14:25 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: yea, and i've done it too. but you are right, no need to pile on more -1 | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, good morning :) | 14:25 |
| weiting | SergeyLukjanov, we would like to share our customer use case for Sahara in Design Summit and is it possible to add this topic in sprint session? | 14:25 |
| tmckay | not too many updates for me, working on internal plan for us. First meeting in 35 minutes :) | 14:25 |
| elmiko | weiting: that sounds great! | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, yeah, just add a topic to etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 14:25 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: this thing is not working for me, so I forgot about it :D | 14:26 |
| Nikolay_St | my bad | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think the topic "End user use cases" is very intersting and could help us a lot to concentrate on more important for users stuff | 14:26 |
| tmckay | weiting, yes, customer use cases would be great! High priority, I think. | 14:26 |
| tmckay | it informs everything else | 14:26 |
| weiting | Another question is for Sahara EDP there are two topics in working and sprint, is it possible to combine them into one? | 14:27 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the main goal is to collect ideas | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we could move and combine them | 14:27 |
| weiting | They are just evaluating sahara, but we think some feedbacks are great and we can discuss them. | 14:27 |
| elmiko | definitely, we could really use more user feedback | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all design sessions on previous summits were build based on the proposed ideas and mostly always it was a mix of proposed ideas ;) | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, sure, it's very important | 14:28 |
| crobertsrh | I'd love to hear an actual customer use case/story | 14:28 |
| elmiko | same | 14:28 |
| tmckay | ++ We have our own pet issues based on experience, but we're developers. Might be completely different. | 14:29 |
| tmckay | for instance, I have a suspicion that the job executions page might be better if organized by name instead of ID | 14:29 |
| tmckay | When I go to look for a job for relaunch, I have to guess at which one it is | 14:30 |
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| tmckay | or, maybe sorted by time at least | 14:30 |
| egafford | tmckay: +1; id has no semantics at all. | 14:30 |
| tmckay | but, is that something customers are feeling too? | 14:30 |
| crobertsrh | I don't think that's a dev-only "pet" issue :) | 14:30 |
| elmiko | i thought everyone loved doing business in uuids ;) | 14:30 |
| tmckay | :) maybe a bad example. But you get my point. | 14:30 |
| egafford | Sometimes, even devs can tell when things aren't easy, but yes, tmckay, point well taken. | 14:30 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I almost named my kids uuids | 14:30 |
| elmiko | lol! | 14:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any small imporovements ideas should be posted somewhere as well | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean not somewhere but it should be implemented atm or added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 14:31 |
| elmiko | maybe we should make a "small improvements" sprint, and put all ideas in that pad? | 14:31 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, good idea. I meant to create an EDP "dump ideas" page and link to it from the summit pad, I'll do that today | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll have the whole day to discuss things | 14:31 |
| elmiko | tmckay: +1 | 14:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, +2 | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:32 |
| elmiko | hehe | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw we'll have rc2 today | 14:32 |
| tmckay | yay! | 14:32 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, we already have it :) | 14:32 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: :D | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, 99.999% that it'll be our Kilo release | 14:33 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:33 |
| * tmckay looks for 0.001 bug | 14:33 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, time to final check our favourite project :) | 14:33 |
| tmckay | cinder? jk :) | 14:34 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: Trevor I am writing the spec of adding more oozie workflow into edp, so sahara can support scheduled jobs | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, yay, cool! | 14:34 |
| elmiko | sounds like a nice improvement | 14:34 |
| tmckay | huichun_, great. Did you see my note about that? Maybe we want to extend the EDP engine interface to support scheduling and job coordination in general, and then implement in the individual EDP engines | 14:35 |
| tmckay | just an idea | 14:35 |
| tmckay | trying to think how best to handle enhancements, when we want to move away from being so Oozie centric | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, sounds interesting | 14:35 |
| elmiko | would be nice to create some sort of abstraction there | 14:35 |
| tmckay | yes. Oozie used to be everything for use, but now it's just one of the things (the biggest, but still ...) | 14:36 |
| weiting | tmckay, so you would like to create a new abstract layer to do so? | 14:36 |
| tmckay | use/us | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | would be nice to 606 abstraction layers with 13 services - numbers will probably help the hell working :) | 14:36 |
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| elmiko | lol | 14:37 |
| egafford | Interface consistency and feature parity across plugins is always nice to have. SergeyLukjanov: Heh. | 14:37 |
| tmckay | weiting, maybe, I haven't thought about it too much. But, since we can split engines (even split engines between plugin versions) we should take advantage of that, I think. | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, ++, process names for example | 14:37 |
| tmckay | I am cautious of implementing something only in the Oozie engine, for instance | 14:37 |
| egafford | tmckay: Especially if it drives an interface change (which it will.) | 14:38 |
| tmckay | for scheduling, it could be in the job manager, as long as it applies to all job types | 14:38 |
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| tmckay | If we are using Oozie features to do it, that argues for an EDP engine interface, so the backend can be something else for spark/storm | 14:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw, do we like to backport something else to stable/kilo of -image-elements and extra? last chance - I'm going to tag them with rc2 after the meeting | 14:39 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: is the python package stuff going into that tag? | 14:39 |
| egafford | tmckay: +1 to both DAG generation and scheduling interfaces being Sahara-side rather than implemented entirely within plugins. | 14:40 |
| tmckay | nothing that I am aware of. tosky, pino|work, ^^ you guys test a lot :) | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, which python package? | 14:40 |
| * pino|work has nothing to backport so far | 14:40 | |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: the new sahara-image-create script, with setup.py/cfg | 14:40 |
| * tosky neither | 14:40 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, nope, it's done in master I think | 14:41 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, cool | 14:41 |
| elmiko | (we're still finding issues with it) | 14:41 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: sorry, lost connection just now, i will talk with you offline in details | 14:41 |
| pino|work | elmiko: (and fixing too) | 14:41 |
| tmckay | huichun_, okay | 14:41 |
| elmiko | pino|work: exactly ;) | 14:41 |
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| egafford | The new sahara-image-create script isn't a particularly critical feature, and it's easy enough to patch in to any packaged distribution if distros are feeling risky. It can wait, thinks this packager. | 14:43 |
| elmiko | egafford: yea, i agree, i just wanted to make sure | 14:43 |
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| egafford | elmiko: Totally. | 14:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat about? | 14:47 |
| elmiko | anyone looked at apache atlas? | 14:47 |
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| elmiko | (that was my only chat topic) ;) | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, hm | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I've heard about it but don't remember | 14:49 |
| elmiko | https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AtlasProposal if anyone is curious | 14:49 |
| elmiko | looks interesting and imo has some overlap with what we are doing. not sure it would be useful to us, but interesting none-the-less | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Documentation | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | There is documentation in a private github repository at: https://github.com/hortonworks/metadata | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Initial Source | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | The source is currently in a private github repository at: https://github.com/hortonworks/metadata | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, private HWX repos | 14:50 |
| elmiko | i guess this was an hwx internal project that is getting migrated to the ASF | 14:51 |
| elmiko | maybe something we can discuss more at summit ;) | 14:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 14:52 |
| tmckay | gotta drop folks, see you in the other channel | 14:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks! | 14:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| weiting | thx. | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 14:55:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-23-13.59.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-23-13.59.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-23-13.59.log.html | 14:55 |
| elmiko | thank SergeyLukjanov ! | 14:55 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | Hi all. | 14:58 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 14:58 |
| vikram | Hi Carl | 14:58 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | yamamoto, vikram : hi | 14:58 |
| amuller | hihi | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin_ | amuller: hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 14:59:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | I think RC2 is still in the works. | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin_ | Other than that I don’t have any. | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | Thanks to mlavalle for cleaning up https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin_: :-) | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | mlavalle: i'll clean up further over the next few days | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin_ | The Kilo release is planned for 1 week from now. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | Bug: #1446261 | 15:02 |
| openstack | bug 1446261 in neutron "gate-neutron-dsvm-functional race fails HA/DVR tests with network namespace not found" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446261 - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin_ | I’m working on this one. There must be another similar one lurking in there. Still working on it. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin_ | Any other bugs? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | devvesa cannot make it today. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin_ | tidwellr is also interested in pitching in here and couldn’t make it today either. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: How is your work going? | 15:06 |
| vikram | I have discussed about my proposal with Jaume and we have concluded that the existing proposal will be specific to BGP | 15:06 |
| vikram | BP review is done.. Jaume got to modify | 15:06 |
| vikram | I am checking the code now | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: I will have another look. Thanks for your comments there. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin_ | BTW, for those interested, devvesa has put together a nice document for how to set up a test environment. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRouting/TestingDynamicRouting | 15:07 |
| vikram | I am drafting my proposal will send to you by next week | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: where will your proposal fit with the existing proposal? | 15:07 |
| vikram | yes | 15:08 |
| vikram | not much of changes | 15:08 |
| vikram | i have already discussed with Jaume yesterday | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: I will watch for it. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin_ | Anything else BGP related? | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:09 |
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| vikram | Yes.. auth part need changes... moreover we were thinking to make the design such a way so that adding policy and vpn support will be easier later | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #undo | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: By vpn, do you mean MPLS / BGP vpn? | 15:11 |
| vikram | yes. MPBGP support | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | And could you clarify what you mean by policy? | 15:12 |
| vikram | it's required as different tenant can have same prefixes.. adv these prefixes will clash | 15:12 |
| vikram | by policy i meant ACL support for filtering route adv | 15:12 |
| vikram | if required | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin_ | I see. I have some thoughts on the tenant prefix clashing thing. I need to finish up a BP specification and post it for that. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin_ | vikram: Thanks. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | johnbelamaric: pavel: salv-orlando: How are things going on this front? | 15:14 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar has most CI passing - there is still the issue around the auto address flag | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin_: been busy with other things during the past week. I thing we should see soon a spec from johnbelamaric. afaict the plan is still the asame as last week | 15:15 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: yes, it may take another week or so for me to put something together | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin_ | I need to take another pass over the reviews to see what discussion I’ve missed. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin_ | It sounds like we just keep marching in the same direction. | 15:17 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: ok. pavel_bondar keeps rebasing and working to get all the tempest tests passing. | 15:18 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: yes. there is the item you mentioned about passing subnet dict instead of just ID - according to pavel_bondar this was necessary in order to avoid fetching the subnet, which was causing open contrail to fail in a mysterious way | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin_ | johnbelamaric: Right. We need to finished our discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150485/19/neutron/ipam/drivers/neutrondb_ipam/driver.py | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin_ | I left that hanging. I’ll get back to it today. | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | I think it was key to not having to look up the subnet. | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: thanks | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin_ | johnbelamaric: Thanks for the reminder. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin_ | Anything else on ipam? | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: nope. other than that issue it's just the CI which pavel_bondar is targeting for completion in the coming week | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: CI failures that is | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin_ | johnbelamaric: Great progress. | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin_: thanks - let's wrap this up :) | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin_ | johnbelamaric: Agreed. :) | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #topic routing-networks | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | I put up this spec. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172244/ | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin_: Is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88619/ related to this? | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | I think it is key to reducing some complexity in DVR and reducing extra public address consumption. | 15:25 |
| * carl_baldwin_ looking | 15:25 | |
| carl_baldwin_ | mlavalle: Yes, it is superseded. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin_ | The scope of 88619 was too big and it needed some more thought. I’ve broken it up. | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin_: I'll replace it in the agenda with the new one | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin_ | Thanks. Be sure to mark it as superseded. If I recall, 172244 has a link to it in the references. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin_ | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin_ | I’d like it if reviewers could review it and bring any questions to me. I’m happy to discuss it. | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin_: will do | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #topic Open Discussion | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | If there is nothing else, we’ll make it a short meeting. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin_ | Thanks everyone. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | bye | 15:30 |
| yamamoto | bye | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin_ | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
| johnbelamaric | bye | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 15:31:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-23-14.59.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-23-14.59.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-23-14.59.log.html | 15:31 |
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| vikram | bye | 15:31 |
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| annegentle | righto | 15:59 |
| annegentle | api wg here? | 15:59 |
| * elmiko waves | 15:59 | |
| elmiko | yes | 15:59 |
| annegentle | hi elmiko | 15:59 |
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| annegentle | I'll get us started then | 16:00 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 16:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| annegentle | etoews: do you want to run the agenda for half? | 16:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | sure | 16:00 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | hello | 16:01 |
| annegentle | hi | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-16-00.00.html | 16:02 |
| etoews | oh. it was just me. | 16:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 16:02 |
| etoews | i managed to get to those 2 things. | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic cross-project meeting | 16:03 |
| etoews | Cross-Project meeting log #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-21-21.02.log.html | 16:03 |
| etoews | i attended the cross-project (cp) the other day | 16:03 |
| etoews | meeting that is | 16:03 |
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| etoews | just searching for ways to get more viz and more traction for the api wg. | 16:04 |
| etoews | i think step 1 will simply be attending that meeting regularly | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | sorry that I'm late | 16:04 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 | 16:04 |
| etoews | i'll bring up any guidelines we have that are ready for final review | 16:05 |
| annegentle | etoews: I think that's a great place | 16:05 |
| etoews | we can't wait on the API CPLs forever so i proposed we give them a week for final review and then merge | 16:05 |
| annegentle | etoews: +1 | 16:05 |
| etoews | everyone seemed agreeable | 16:05 |
| etoews | we do need to be sensitive for the time in the release cycle | 16:06 |
| etoews | CPLs are a lot busier around release and summit time | 16:06 |
| annegentle | right | 16:06 |
| etoews | in conjunction with that i'll send out an email to -dev and -operators to highlight the guidelines ready for review. | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | should we perhaps (going forward) have a freeze on acceptance during this period to make it easier on CPLs? | 16:07 |
| elmiko | nice idea | 16:07 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24_awa: what exactly do you mean by freeze on acceptance? | 16:08 |
| annegentle | "look now or forever hold your peace"? | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | In other words, we would signal that we think it's done in some way, but wait to merge the actual guideline | 16:08 |
| annegentle | or is it "hold your piece" | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | annegentle: I honestly don't know | 16:08 |
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| sigmavirus24_awa | etoews: perhaps 2 +2's where one of them also -1's the Workflow | 16:09 |
| dtroyer | if there has been a long discussion it might be nice to summarize, sometimes the lengthy comments don't get read, especially if they're in the patchsets | 16:09 |
| annegentle | dtroyer: good point | 16:09 |
| etoews | i think the email to -dev and -operators is the signal. along with mentioning them in the cp meeting. | 16:10 |
| annegentle | dtroyer: sort of like what sdague did when summarizing discussion at the ops midcycle for nova (or was it Russel?) Anyway, summarizing for audience. | 16:10 |
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| edleafe | annegentle: 'peace' | 16:11 |
| annegentle | edleafe: thanks :) been in Tejas too long | 16:11 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24_awa: is this explicit -1 freeze on acceptance done in other projects? | 16:11 |
| edleafe | annegentle: saying the latter might get you in trouble :) | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | etoews: to a degree, yes | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | etoews: with specs and with code | 16:12 |
| annegentle | etoews: I've seen it with specs | 16:12 |
| etoews | okay. let's give it a try. | 16:13 |
| elmiko | sahara has had -2 freezes at times, depending on the release state | 16:13 |
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| etoews | #action etoews freeze the 3 current guidelines up for final review | 16:15 |
| etoews | #topic APIChangeGuidelines wiki page | 16:15 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 16:15 |
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| etoews | this wiki page came up in a discussion on -dev | 16:16 |
| etoews | it caused a bit of confusion | 16:16 |
| elmiko | looks like it needs some love | 16:16 |
| etoews | i think it just need to be migrated into our repo | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | +1, should be a guideline | 16:16 |
| etoews | as a series of patches | 16:17 |
| annegentle | etoews: sure, it can be | 16:17 |
| annegentle | that's from TC work a few years back | 16:17 |
| etoews | ah. good to know. | 16:17 |
| annegentle | something beyond "gentleman's agreement" was the goal (hate to use gender specific lang but that's my recollection) | 16:18 |
| etoews | "human's agreement" | 16:18 |
| edleafe | "gentlehuman's agreement" | 16:18 |
| etoews | anybody up for tackling moving those guidelines into the repo? | 16:18 |
| annegentle | etoews: heh. Well, it was approved, so it's the guidelines, so seems fine to move in the wg repo | 16:18 |
| etoews | "gentleanne's agreement" | 16:19 |
| edleafe | annegentle: +1 | 16:19 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:19 |
| annegentle | what was the confusion on list? any recap? | 16:19 |
| etoews | 1 sec. | 16:19 |
| annegentle | :) | 16:19 |
| elmiko | so, just to be clear. these should be written up as guidelines according to the repo and then submitted as reviews? | 16:19 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: I think so, but want to know what the controversy/confusion was | 16:20 |
| etoews | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062050.html | 16:20 |
| etoews | no controvery, minor confusion | 16:20 |
| elmiko | do we then change the wiki page to point towards the repo? | 16:21 |
| annegentle | elmiko: yep sure can | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | elmiko: I would think so | 16:21 |
| elmiko | k | 16:21 |
| etoews | in the email, ian wells basically describes the api wg repo but doesn't know it already exists. | 16:22 |
| annegentle | got it | 16:22 |
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| annegentle | so, if I recall right, the API WG repo will contain guidelines, then we present to TC, then eventually we may publish to governance.openstack.org, which will then take care of the "advertise that page a little more widely" concern | 16:23 |
| annegentle | is that right | 16:23 |
| annegentle | er, that's a question :) | 16:23 |
| edleafe | annegentle: Try adding the '?' character :) | 16:23 |
| etoews | i did not even know governance.openstack.org existed :| | 16:23 |
| annegentle | :) I want slack-style up arrow edit | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i thought we were trying to back off of TC being a gate for the guidelines, with exceptions for controversial changes? | 16:24 |
| etoews | but yes, something like that. | 16:24 |
| annegentle | etoews: yeah it's not super well advertised | 16:24 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: not sure, that's why I'm asking. | 16:24 |
| elmiko | ah, cool. | 16:24 |
| annegentle | (and I'm the TC, so... wanting to clarify) | 16:24 |
| elmiko | would be awesome to have these on governance.os.o | 16:24 |
| annegentle | I think of it as the TC needed a working group to dive into details. | 16:24 |
| etoews | elmiko: see #5 of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html | 16:25 |
| elmiko | etoews: ack, thanks | 16:25 |
| annegentle | right, there we go | 16:25 |
| dtroyer | this doesn't seem to me like the sort of thing that should go in governance | 16:25 |
| etoews | they'll be official guidelines. | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | dtroyer: is governance more about the foundation? | 16:26 |
| dtroyer | no, but it's also not about specific technical implementation details | 16:26 |
| annegentle | dtroyer: what else would be a pointer for reviews? I think of it as a reference guide. (can't think of another subdomain that fits) | 16:26 |
| dtroyer | I could see a pointer from governance out to the various working group docs to lend the 'this is good' label | 16:27 |
| annegentle | dtroyer: pointer to specs.openstack.org would work | 16:28 |
| annegentle | I think so anyway | 16:28 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: that makes sense | 16:28 |
| dtroyer | that sounds good | 16:28 |
| annegentle | ok good. I can update the wiki page with that intention | 16:29 |
| annegentle | er. process.html is not a wiki page :) | 16:29 |
| etoews | i think we can firm that up down the road a bit. | 16:29 |
| etoews | back to the topic | 16:29 |
| annegentle | elmiko: yep | 16:29 |
| annegentle | er, etoews: yep | 16:29 |
| etoews | how do we go about moving https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines to the repo? | 16:30 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: you up for it? I can't until at least May | 16:30 |
| elmiko | sure, i can take a stab at it | 16:30 |
| annegentle | elmiko: I do have some history/familiarity so I'm happy to help | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | annegentle: awesome, expect questions =) | 16:31 |
| annegentle | elmiko: cool, thanks | 16:31 |
| etoews | it doesn't necessarily have to be a 1 person effort | 16:31 |
| etoews | yep. reach out for help as necessary elmiko. thanks! | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | maybe a change to test the new template.. /shameless-plug | 16:32 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to investigate moving https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines to the api wg repo | 16:32 |
| elmiko | *chance | 16:32 |
| etoews | yes | 16:32 |
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| etoews | 1 sec. | 16:32 |
| etoews | the template just merged. nice work elmiko! | 16:33 |
| annegentle | :) | 16:33 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:33 |
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| etoews | #topic API WG at the Summit | 16:34 |
| etoews | so there are a bunch of time slots at the summit out there for working groups | 16:34 |
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| etoews | considering the summit schedule #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 16:35 |
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| etoews | would late wed afternoon or early thurs morning work for people? | 16:36 |
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| annegentle | slight preference for late wed. afternoon | 16:37 |
| elmiko | same for me | 16:37 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24_awa dtroyer stevelle miguelgrinberg edleafe ^ | 16:38 |
| miguelgrinberg | I'm good for both | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | I'm okay with whatever. I am bad at figuring out what sessions I'll be going to | 16:39 |
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| sigmavirus24_awa | I don't think that conflicts with glance sessions fo rme though | 16:39 |
| cdent | calendar fail | 16:39 |
| dtroyer | either for me | 16:39 |
| stevelle | etoews: I don't see a conflict | 16:39 |
| miguelgrinberg | the rooms look all taken on Wed and Thurs though. How does this work? | 16:40 |
| etoews | these are different rooms | 16:40 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | etoews: are these rooms just the lawn outside the center? | 16:40 |
| etoews | opened up for working groups | 16:40 |
| sigmavirus24_awa | are you tricking us into going outside? | 16:40 |
| annegentle | heh | 16:40 |
| etoews | maybe if it's a nice day :) | 16:40 |
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| annegentle | "rooms" scarequotes | 16:41 |
| edleafe | I have potential conflicts all over (nova), so everything's a crap shoot | 16:41 |
| etoews | okay. i'll book us in for wed afternoon and maybe sometime on thurs too in case we feel we need it. | 16:42 |
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| stevelle | session agenda features picking dandelions and rolling in grass I hope | 16:42 |
| annegentle | sweet | 16:42 |
| etoews | steamroller! | 16:42 |
| etoews | there's also the official Cross-project track session | 16:43 |
| dtroyer | actually, we're on the water…fishing poles anyone? | 16:43 |
| etoews | sessions | 16:43 |
| etoews | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LJZxdxE8P2F0WoULZEsRCXeqZP_VgH5nWUdZlbcA68M/viewform?c=0&w=1 | 16:43 |
| etoews | should we also submit an official cp track session? | 16:43 |
| etoews | basically just for more viz? | 16:43 |
| annegentle | etoews: there's one for Service Catalog now | 16:44 |
| annegentle | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 | 16:44 |
| annegentle | that's the list of already-proposed ^^ | 16:44 |
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| etoews | row 18 | 16:44 |
| annegentle | I believe there are 17 slots, 19 proposed | 16:45 |
| etoews | i see sdague would like us to drive | 16:45 |
| annegentle | I told him I would at the TC meeting Tuesday. | 16:45 |
| etoews | +1 annegentle | 16:45 |
| annegentle | I was supposed to edit it, but you know, privileges. | 16:45 |
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| etoews | alright. well maybe i'll throw an official cp session out there. | 16:46 |
| annegentle | I think it would be good to do a "state of the WG" session | 16:46 |
| etoews | good idea | 16:46 |
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| etoews | i'll do that | 16:47 |
| annegentle | cool thanks etoews | 16:47 |
| etoews | #action propose a state of the api wg cp session | 16:47 |
| etoews | i've only got a few min left | 16:47 |
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| etoews | did we want to talk about meeting times? | 16:48 |
| etoews | the thread on -dev kinda went nowhere. | 16:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | what are the new proposed times? I don't remember | 16:48 |
| etoews | just leave it as is and have a poorly attended meeting every other week? | 16:48 |
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| elmiko | i'll keep showing up for the late meeting, even if it's only a couple of us ;) | 16:49 |
| etoews | we couldn't come up with a good time that satisfied all timezones (of course) | 16:49 |
| dtroyer | is the Thurs 00:00 meeting a good time for anyone other than US Pacific? | 16:49 |
| etoews | cdent: what timezone are you? | 16:50 |
| etoews | dtroyer: probably not | 16:50 |
| cdent | BST | 16:50 |
| dtroyer | persoanly, I could do later, but right at dinnertime (US Central) is hard | 16:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | ==dtroyer | 16:50 |
| elmiko | the tough issue was getting something that is reasonable for the asia contingent, but it's also tough to gauge how big that group is :/ | 16:51 |
| cdent | there's not been a lot of feedback from the ml | 16:51 |
| etoews | right | 16:51 |
| elmiko | =( | 16:51 |
| dtroyer | we have some experience with an existing slot, I was wondering how inconvenient that one was for them | 16:51 |
| edleafe | thurs evening is never good for me | 16:51 |
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| edleafe | other nights would be much better | 16:51 |
| dtroyer | edleafe: this is wed evening in US | 16:52 |
| annegentle | I can never make the evening ones... | 16:52 |
| etoews | i'd prefer a very early meeting (cdt) to an evening meeting if that worked for other timezones | 16:52 |
| annegentle | me too | 16:53 |
| stevelle | a very early meeting CDT will exclude US Pacific | 16:53 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: that leaves west coast out | 16:53 |
| etoews | ah. i gotta go. can someone bump the ml thread on this? | 16:53 |
| elmiko | etoews: i'll give it a kick ;) | 16:53 |
| etoews | oh right. very early west coast then if possible. | 16:53 |
| etoews | bye! | 16:54 |
| etoews | thx elmiko! | 16:54 |
| annegentle | bye etoews! | 16:54 |
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| annegentle | ok what's next on the agenda | 16:55 |
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| annegentle | Hm, Swift? | 16:55 |
| annegentle | #topic Swift | 16:55 |
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| annegentle | What's that about, anyone have more context? | 16:55 |
| notmyname | hi | 16:56 |
| annegentle | hi notmyname | 16:56 |
| * notmyname saw "swift" | 16:56 | |
| annegentle | have more context to offer? It's on our agenda | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: so if I say "swift" elsewhere, I can summon you that easily? =P | 16:56 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:56 |
| notmyname | pretty much ;-) | 16:56 |
| dtroyer | say it three times and see what happens! | 16:56 |
| annegentle | I've seen it. it works :) | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | dtroyer: do I need to be looking into a mirror? | 16:57 |
| annegentle | heh | 16:57 |
| annegentle | Are there any guidelines in review that notmyname could take a look at? | 16:57 |
| annegentle | Or is it the classic "data apis are data apis" discussion? | 16:57 |
| annegentle | Or the iOS language? | 16:58 |
| annegentle | I kid, I kid | 16:58 |
| notmyname | or that singer person | 16:58 |
| annegentle | "shake it off" | 16:58 |
| annegentle | Ok, two minutes | 16:58 |
| notmyname | or Students With an Interest in the Future of Technology (which is what the #swift channel on IRC is for) | 16:58 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:58 |
| annegentle | ha | 16:59 |
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| annegentle | Those are the reviews in progress, and Everett sent the deadline to CPLs on the mailing list. | 16:59 |
| annegentle | for guidelines | 16:59 |
| annegentle | then for APIImpact | 16:59 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:59 |
| annegentle | I just triaged about 25 docimpact bugs today, some with apiimpact, but all _should_ have had apiimpact. | 17:00 |
| elmiko | annegentle: usually we try to spend a little time for folks to bring up reviews from that list. probably not time now though | 17:00 |
| annegentle | yeah | 17:00 |
| annegentle | Well that's our hour, so the links are in the minutes now. | 17:00 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 17:00:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-23-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks annegentle | 17:00 |
| annegentle | feel free to continue any discussion in #openstack-api | 17:00 |
| annegentle | thanks all! | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yapeng Yi igordcard_ ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:00 |
| yapeng | hi | 18:00 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
| Yi | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 18:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_22nd.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #chair mageshgv ivar-lazzaro igordcard_ s3wong yapeng Yi | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam Yi igordcard_ ivar-lazzaro mageshgv s3wong yapeng | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case i drop off like last time | 18:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any announcements from anyone upfront? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per discussion last week we have pushed out the k-3 release | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i will probably do it today, and add a k-4 milestone | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the one critical that shows open in launchpad is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however the patch for this was merged in master | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: can you confirm that this was completed? | 18:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I think we had an action for testing this? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: had anyone specifically take that action item? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *taken | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | IIRC it was on mageshgv plate | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see it in the meeting logs | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: is this something you are planning or you wont have time? | 18:06 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I did test test it once before the patch was merged in master | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the difficulty was with crafting the right service and the infrastructure to test this | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thats great | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: thank you! | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so perhaps we can close this in launchpad for now | 18:07 |
| mageshgv | Sumitnaiksatam, ivar-lazzaro: I would like to bring up another issue here | 18:07 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: not sure we have to backport this | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: can you add a note in LP to the effect that you tested it manually? | 18:07 |
| mageshgv | The current model only addresses one armed devices | 18:07 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: for which I mean that I don't remember if I already sent the stable/juno patch :) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think you did | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we will discuss stable/juno backports as next topic | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: go ahead | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: so your concern is with this specific patch or our model in general? | 18:08 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I think we are missing one main thing when we have redirect from an External policy. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay, what is that? | 18:09 |
| mageshgv | When we have a redirect from a normal PTG, for two armed services, the services would get one port on consumer and one port on provider PTGs | 18:10 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: can't this happen even with External Policies? Even though you can't explicitly create Policy Targets you can still implicitly use the Neutron external network for creating ports | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | But in case of redirect from External Policy, one of the ports will be on provider PTG, but the External policy represents the whole internet, and we cannot instantiate a two armed service in this case (especially L3 services) | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Neutron does not allow us to plug a VM into an external network right ? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: per ivar-lazzaro’s comment, i think any configuration on the external network is considered out of the scope of GBP | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: I'm pretty sure it does! SumitNaiksatam? | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i believe as an admin you can, but i am not totally sure | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: unless we see a need for final users to deploy PTs on External Policies, I would not add this capability to the API | 18:13 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: whether this happens internally though, that's a different story | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sorry, i lost you there, why would the API need to change one way or the other? | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: service drivers could implicitly figure out how to plug to external policies | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: to allow Policy Target CRUD on External Policies | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah okay, got it | 18:15 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro,SumitNaiksatam: okay, let me explore on that a bit more, but I think we will need a model in place in Service Chain driver/GBP I think rather than the Node driver | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: sure, please keep me in the loop so I can include this in the SC refactor | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay, fair point, would wait to hear back from you on the investigation | 18:15 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro,SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | an orthogonal point - the use of the “external policy” terminology confuses an lot of people | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wish we had called this “external PTG” or something similar | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is much easier to related to with the rest of the model | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we are still in time aren't we? :) | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that's what Juno was for, gathering feedback | 18:17 |
| mageshgv | Right, now that you mention it it does sound different :) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: mageshgv: i thought i did just bring it up | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | based on the feedback i got | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | If anything, I would also go back to the notion of "Contract", policy rule set really is a little weird | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am definitely in favor of moving “external policy” to “external PTG” | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i also like “contract” over “PRS” | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, it has propagated in the documentation and collateral quite a bit | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | just to be sure, do you mean a new class called "External Policy Target Group" | 18:19 |
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| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: I also like contract more --- the motivation behind name change was to get rid of endpoint, a wholesale change back then seems a bit drastic looking back now | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | or a traditional Policy Target Group with external attributes? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we would need to check with folks before we can make that call | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ^^^ | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i meant rename “external policy” to “external policy target group" | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: true | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we are digressing a bit here, we can circle back to this in the open discussion | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs to discuss today? | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: endpoint still has some conflicts in the openstack world, but I don't really see anything wrong with Contract | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we wont go back on PT and PTG | 18:20 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: correct, that was the point. Changing EP was necessity, changing everything else along with it seems a bit drastic looking back | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: true | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok seems like no other bugs to discuss | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration Tests | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i posted this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174267 which triggers jishnu’s test suite | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu’s test suite - gbpfunc - is an integration test suite | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that jishnu has developed | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there were a couple of failures and i am trying to work with jishnu to idnetify the root cause (whether they are actual failures or test issues) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently the gate job is not instrumented well to get the results of the tests | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so you have to manually go through the console log to see if there are any failures | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will try to enhance this soon | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that, the experimental job has now been moved to a check queue | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so you need not do a “check experimental” to trigger this functional/integration job run | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the job runs on all the branches, stable/juno, master and feature/refactor | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its non-voting for now | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | once we clean it up and get more confidence in the job, we will make it fully voting | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions/comments? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe rkukura is out today | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will skip packaging | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have vancouver summit preparation as standing item, i will take that up later | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Backports to stable/juno | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:stable/juno,n,z | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i had a question on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175556/ | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you can respond on gerrit | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: can you take a look at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its a cherry-pick that you have reviewed before | 18:28 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: It looked okay to me, but rkukura raised some concerns on the migration initially | 18:29 |
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| mageshgv | Did we conclude on that | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i believe the earlier mentioned patch will resolve that issue, ivar-lazzaro? | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I think that the reason why that part is missing is that the counterpart was not backported in Juno yet | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: mageshgv’s question, does the second patch need to wait for the earlier one to merge? | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164920/ has no backport yet | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: which one is which? :) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the commit titles are confusing - this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ has the same commit title as #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164920/ | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: perhaps we can resolve this offline, and let mageshgv and me know which ones to look at in the backport queue and in which order | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah the first one is a backport | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the second one is in master | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but you said that the one in the master does not have a backport | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: in the sense that it's not merged | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah okay | 18:34 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: after it merges, I will need to update #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175556/ | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: per your previous point | 18:34 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I probably should make it dependent, or Workflow -1 for now | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah makes sense, okay we will watch out for that, nag us anyway :-) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thats okay, dont have to make it dependent | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo sync | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | apart from the testing the UI, i believe the #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170845 is the last remaining the patch, mageshgv? | 18:36 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, one more thing that we missed is a devstack update on kilo branch, realized it today when I tried to test on a new devstack | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yeah, i will do that | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: hopefully, it will be there before you rise again tomorrow ;-) | 18:38 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks :) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | np | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: over to you | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Spec: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167174 | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Impl: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167174/ | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are getting close to wrapping this, right? | 18:39 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I think it is in final stages of iteration, may be you and ivar-lazzaro could take a look at it once more | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes sure | 18:40 |
| mageshgv | I will update the spec | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: yup | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please update the spec so that the whole team will have the right context to review | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe earlier Yi and yapeng were also reviewing this | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: anything to discuss here? | 18:41 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, will post it first thing my morning | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think mageshgv is going to be PTO soon, so we need to wrap this up | 18:42 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I think there is more consensus now, nothing from my side | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *be on | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay thanks | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service chain driver refactor | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Spec #link #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174118 (still WIP) | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | a number of people are co-authors on this and will update it in parallel | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | implementation patches: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master+topic:bp/sc-refactor,n,z | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: noticed that you started adding some structure around this, great | 18:43 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, that would be needed anyway even while the spec is WIP | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was also on the hook for doing some initial iterations on this, so i will post as we go along | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, i will look at it | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I have a question on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176580/ | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone want to discuss anything in this context? | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, shoot | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the functional tests broke, I guess it may be because of some backward incompatible changes (hopefully not) | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: while I investigate this, how could I fix the devstack installation if needed? | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh, i will take a look | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: Is there anything I can merge together with my patch in order to make this work? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: devstack artifacts are not in-tree | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: let me try to investigate what is working | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: also I can't really see the Neutron logs | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the script which clones the devstack is in tree | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: but can I modify things like the local.conf? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: that will have to be done in the relevant devstack branch which gets pulled when this job is run | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me take a look and see if i can fix it | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is hemanthravi here? | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that sounds painful, any relevant configuration change would require multiple iteration before fixing the gate | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: shall we bring at least the local.conf in our tree? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i dont understand how you can avoid multiple iterations by bringing local.conf into the tree | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not opposed to bringing the local.conf into the tree | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in fact the plan is to be able to move to the devstack plugin model | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the patch breaking the configuration can also push the fix at the same time | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we have all the relevant devstack artifacts in tree | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ++ | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can just pull the upstream devstack branch and patch it | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however that will take some more time | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: regardless of whether we fix the local.conf in tree or in the devstack branch, we will need to recheck | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we know which patch breaks the branch, becuase the gate job is going to fail on that patch | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but i think you have a good point | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me try to see how much of the devstack artifacts i can bring in right away | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | into the tree | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was pushing this down the road, but perhaps needs to be done sooner | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will first fix the kilo branch | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then try this out | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: you are keeping a track of the spec? | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps he is not around | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Refactor feature branch | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:feature/refactor,n,z | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently only Yi’s patch | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: apologies for not getting to this | 18:56 |
| Yi | np | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i believe this is ready to merge | 18:56 |
| Yi | yes | 18:56 |
| Yi | it's ready | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it got delayed because we move to feature branch and caused you a lot of pain! | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro and i will try to get this merged by tomorrow latest | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sound okay? | 18:57 |
| Yi | great | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unless someone else has objections | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: thanks for your patience on this | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Liberty/Vancouver Summit | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | posted an etherpad to gather ideas for discussion #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gbp-liberty-design-summit | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some of us have been discussing the hands-on lab | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: want to give an update? | 18:59 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah we are preparing the USB sticks for the lab session | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | actually we are in the process of getting them | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay great | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'd like to request help in some task though | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sure | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | There are two main items that would be great to have in Horizon | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | 1) shared attribute for all the concerned objects | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | 2) external connectivity UI | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | anyone is willing to take these 2 items? :) | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i am not holding my breath! :-( | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we are already able to showed the shared resources, right? | 19:02 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, but we can't set them yet | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: them being, the shared attributes? | 19:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, IIRC the UI doesn't have the "shared" flag for any GBP resource at creation time | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay let me follow up with you offline on this one | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: for the external connectivity UI, i am not sure | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: as we discussed, perhaps best not have the workflow being driven from the UI for this hands-on | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we drive it through the CLI | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and use the UI feedback | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay we are 5 mins over, thankfully not kicked out yet | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we can continue the earlier discussion, but want to give anyone else a chance to bring something else up | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if nothing else, we can end for today | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty thanks everyone, keep up the good work | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and apologies for going over | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | thanks, adieuuuu | 19:07 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 23 19:07:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-23-18.00.html | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-23-18.00.txt | 19:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-23-18.00.log.html | 19:08 |
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| megm | Hello! | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | megm, hello | 20:00 |
| megm | mattgriffin, how is it going? | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | megm, crazy. time is just flying bye | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | you? | 20:00 |
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| megm | I know the feeling! | 20:01 |
| megm | Is a week from tomorrow really 1 May? Aargh! | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | omg | 20:01 |
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| mattgriffin | ok. let's see who else is here | 20:02 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, i think it's just you and me | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | i'm going to go ahead and start the meeting | 20:03 |
| megm | Gee, that's disappointing. | 20:03 |
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| jpena | o/ | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | i think it's just a busy time leading up to the Summit | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | hi jpena | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA Guide | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 23 20:03:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA Guide)" | 20:03 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:04 |
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| mattgriffin | Agenda: | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | short list today... essentially 2 points | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | update on spec... in progress. unfortunately had not time this week to work on. will have time tomorrow though | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | i informed the Docs team in their meeting yesterday that it is coming | 20:05 |
| Shamail | I'll make a note (for myself) to check it before the next meeting to be ready w/ comments. | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | thanks Shamail ... and welcome. good to see you | 20:06 |
| Shamail | * writes something that he won't be able to read later because of handwriting. | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | ok... next topic | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | getting together in Vancouver | 20:06 |
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| mattgriffin | i think as long as we don't meet on Monday or conflict with any Docs or Trove meetings, then anytime that Shamail can find works for me | 20:07 |
| Shamail | How does Thursday look for most people? I agree with Monday being out | 20:07 |
| megm | I'll be remote so Thursday is good | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | Thursday works for me. we can figure out a remote access method for megm | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | megm, Hangout ok? | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | megm, what's your timezone? | 20:08 |
| megm | Hangout is good. | 20:08 |
| Shamail | Yep. Thursday will help with that too as we will know the wifi situation by then. | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:08 |
| megm | PDT so same as Vancouver | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | excellent | 20:08 |
| Shamail | I can make any time work after 10:45A PT | 20:09 |
| megm | Worst case, I can call someones cell and you can put it on speaker ;-) | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, that's great | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 20:09 |
| Shamail | How long should I reserve the room for? I'd like to block it for now before we end up in a conflict. | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, 1.5 hours? ... or just up to lunch :) | 20:10 |
| Shamail | I'll put it down for Thursday 10:45-12:15P PT for now. Sounds good? | 20:10 |
| Shamail | We can leave early if we are really hungry. | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | great. thank you | 20:10 |
| Shamail | You're welcome. | 20:11 |
| megm | What is the agenda/goals for that mtg? | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, i'll add it to the wiki page. can you email openstack-docs [ha-guide] when you know the location? | 20:11 |
| Shamail | Sure. | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | megm, full agenda TBD but i was thinking a goal was that we'd start to get into writing ... at least kick off how we're going to do it (mechanics) and doing some writing (either conversion from other content or writing new stuff) | 20:13 |
| megm | jpena and erikwilson, do you need context | 20:13 |
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| megm | mattgriffin +1 | 20:13 |
| jpena | megm: yes, please | 20:13 |
| megm | Will we have source set up so we can check in and review content by then? | 20:13 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, hopefully | 20:14 |
| megm | Matt, we have some new people -- you wanna bring them up to speed? | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | megm, yes... | 20:15 |
| Shamail | Welcome jpena and erikmwilson. | 20:15 |
| megm | I'll get links | 20:15 |
| megm | And Nikolay_St? | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, erikmwilson: essentially we're going to update the HA Guide. we (led by megm ) have put together a revamped table of contents and are writing the spec now for full approval to proceed. | 20:15 |
| Shamail | Oops, welcome to you too Nikolay_St! | 20:16 |
| * mattgriffin looks for more links | 20:16 | |
| megm | Summary plan: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ha-guide-march-2015-update | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, erikmwilson, Nikolay_St here are our past meetings: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings | 20:16 |
| megm | Working spec/TOC: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC#Strategy_and_assumptions: | 20:17 |
| megm | blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 20:17 |
| megm | rough procedural plan: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | and an email to the Docs team about what we're doing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-March/006058.html | 20:18 |
| Shamail | Link to existing guide (although new one will be fairly different): http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/index.html | 20:20 |
| megm | I'm curious about the interests of the newcomers -- we are a really nice, fun group and hope you will want to join us in this endeavor! | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, erikmwilson, Nikolay_St any questions? | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | we're just at the cusp of really starting to begin writing and implement the changes so you're joining at a great time | 20:21 |
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| jpena | no, it looks quite clear to me, thanks :). In my case, I'll try to contribute with some documentation. I've sent some patches during the last few weeks to the existing guide, so I'll try to keep up | 20:22 |
| megm | jpena, any area that is of particular interest to you? | 20:23 |
| * mattgriffin was just going to ask that question | 20:23 | |
| megm | Whoops, sorry, I defer to mattgriffin ;-) | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:24 |
| jpena | megm mattgriffin: I'm mainly interested in the active-active side, and can help with anything Red Hat-specific (I'm working there) | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, cool! | 20:24 |
| megm | jpena, great! | 20:24 |
| megm | erikwilson, what about you? | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, do you subscribe to the OpenStack-docs mailing list ... just so you can be reached outside of irc | 20:25 |
| jpena | mattgriffin: sure, on my way to do that | 20:25 |
| megm | Nikolay_St? | 20:25 |
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| mattgriffin | cool.. we put [ha-guide] in the subject line to get each other's attention | 20:25 |
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| Shamail | I have to leave. I will see you next week. | 20:28 |
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| megm | Hello? | 20:29 |
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| jpena | subscribed now | 20:30 |
| megm | Great! | 20:31 |
| megm | jpena, it would be good for you to look at the TOC and see what you think. The old guide is divided into active/passive and active/active and we propose restructuring the doc to parallel the Install Guide | 20:32 |
| jpena | megm: good, I'll give it a look and provide feedback | 20:33 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, great! | 20:33 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, are you going to the Summit? | 20:33 |
| jpena | mattgriffin: no, can't make it this time | 20:33 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, ok... we will have a meeting during that time (at the Summit) and will have a remote access option for you and megm and any others that can't be in the room | 20:34 |
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| mattgriffin | ok. any other business to discuss? | 20:35 |
| mattgriffin | jpena, we try to keep the meetings to 30 min but sometimes go over | 20:35 |
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| jpena | ok, no problem then | 20:36 |
| megm | I'm good | 20:36 |
| mattgriffin | ok. if there aren't any other items, i'm going to end the meeting. thanks all and welcome jpena, erikmwilson, and Nikolay_St ! | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-23-20.03.html | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-23-20.03.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-23-20.03.log.html | 20:37 |
| jpena | thanks! | 20:37 |
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