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| neelabh | what is purpose of class="table_wrapper", in horizon.scss in horizon/openstack_dashboard/dashboard/static. I saw that it is using in _data_table.html, in "horizon/horizon/templates/horizon/common", I removed this css class, there is no effect. So could you guys tell me what is use of class="table_wrapper", where I am missing. | 13:46 |
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| neelabh | sorry class="table_wrapper", is in resource_browser.scss, | 13:48 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | hu hu! | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | hi hi! | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last Week (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | None | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: | 15:01 |
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| krotscheck | Anything come up that needs to be addressed? | 15:01 |
| yolanda | hi | 15:01 |
| yolanda | nothing from my side | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | Nothing here either. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 15:02 |
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| krotscheck | Anything? | 15:02 |
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| yolanda | nothing | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | I'm going to skip to in-progress work first, because I have some questions about things. | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic In progress: krotscheck | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so I've got two things going right now. | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | The first is pagination, which... | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Well, the main issue there is that the spec that real human-usable pagination depends on is A) large, B) Unapproved, and C) Doesn't ahve anyone to build it. | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | And this is a request I've received over and over again. | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Now I've taken the passive aggressive approach right now, which is to add the paging buttons, and then pop up a message that says: Hey, you want this? Come help! | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | That's... not optimal though | 15:04 |
| yolanda | i found that quite ugly, yes :) | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179256/ | 15:05 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, can we have some better ways to request help? for example a popup like the "donate" ones in some pages | 15:05 |
| yolanda | in this case "donate your work" | 15:05 |
| ttx | heh | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | In retrospect, I definitely feel like we need to have a way to nag people into helping. | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Or some _other_ way into getting people involved. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | Because begging from corporations is just not doing it. | 15:07 |
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| yolanda | you mean, encourage individuals rather than companies? | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | However, as far as pagination goes, the _way_ easier way to get pagination working is to switch from marker/limit to offset/limit paging. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: maybe. | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | And the argument for offest/limit is "It's natively supported by the database and we don't have the resources to build anything more sophisticated" | 15:08 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, i agree with you, we should stick in the classic approach, as we don't have resources for working on the complex pagination spec | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Thoughts? | 15:09 |
| yolanda | when i say we i say you mostly right now, i'm totally unable to contribute | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | yep. | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Also, Aleksey's been moved off of StoryBoard inside of Mirantis | 15:09 |
| yolanda | oh | 15:09 |
| yolanda | i wanted to work a bit on free time, but where is free time? :( | 15:09 |
| yolanda | so with this situation, i think the most pragmatic we are, the better | 15:10 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I think it doesn't hurt to get the word out there that we are dying for lack of help | 15:10 |
| ttx | although it's a bit of a double-edged sword | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 15:11 |
| ttx | since some may read it as a death announcement before we even have the YVR discussion | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | I'm going to do the release notes this morning if we can land any patches this week. | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | But if not, there's no real point. | 15:11 |
| * ttx is behind on patch review | 15:11 | |
| ttx | blames release | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | ttx: What about switching from marker/limit to offset/limit? | 15:12 |
| yolanda | i'm going to do a youtube presentation, i'm still working on slides, but i can end with a "need help" slide | 15:12 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: I'm asking because quorum, and it's a holiday in russia. | 15:13 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I would go for the "simple" approach at this point | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | Alright! | 15:13 |
| ttx | i.e. make it shiny even if not perfect | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Switch from marker/limit to offset/limit because lack of resources to build big expensive things. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | Ok, moving on to email. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | I have WIP code for email processing of single events ehre: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179542/ | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | It's lacking tests, and templtaes, which I'm going to work on this week. | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | However before I go much farther I want to make sure this is a sane approach. | 15:14 |
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| krotscheck | So, please go review that :) | 15:15 |
| yolanda | sure | 15:15 |
| ttx | ack | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | Ok, that's it for me as far as ongoing work. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | The other things I'm doing are backchannel oslo things involving oslo.middleware and CORS support for OpenStack in general | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | Aaaanyway | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion | 15:16 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Vancouver! | 15:17 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so where are we with our discussion on this? | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-vancouver-may-2015 | 15:17 |
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| yolanda | do we have an slot for that in the agenda? i saw ttx proposal, is that confirmed? | 15:19 |
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| krotscheck | Right, because we're not really going to get any questions answered without a place to ask them | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | I'm guessing ttx is in another channel and/or wrestiling his kids. | 15:21 |
| yolanda | i'm vanguard today but things are quiet | 15:22 |
| ttx | krotscheck: no, trying to check the infra sessions status | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | I'm guessing if ttx doesn't get his session approved (which, given that he's TTX, isn't likely), we can always bogart the infra sessions | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | ok | 15:23 |
| ttx | krotscheck: doesn't seem to be posted yet | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, I haven't seen it either | 15:23 |
| ttx | Not so many fishbowl proposed and infra has 4 | 15:24 |
| ttx | so I'd say it stands a good chance | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | Ok, cool. | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | I'd like to go through the etherpad, group our questions into like topics, so we have a defined agenda of questions that need to be answered. | 15:26 |
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| krotscheck | What amazes me about the whole situation is that for all the supposed "We want feature X" pressure the TC and Board is getting on ticket tracking, I see absolutely no _real_ activity and/or code. | 15:26 |
| yolanda | no code because no active and paid contributors | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | Basically, yeah. | 15:27 |
| ttx | *and* within openstack nevertheless | 15:28 |
| ttx | i.e. seen as covering a specific use case, not a generic project | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | So, I'm thinking StoryBoard will actually survive vancouver, simply by virtue of nobody else is willing to put forward resources for something else. | 15:28 |
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| ttx | I think the questions on your part of the etherpad are good | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | So I'm going to put our best foot forward, start putting out weekly release notes after our meetings, and make people realize there's things going on here. | 15:29 |
| ttx | - What will be used as task tracking in openstack | 15:30 |
| ttx | - Should StoryBoard continue under Infra | 15:30 |
| ttx | - Should StoryBoard continue, period | 15:30 |
| ttx | - If StoryBoard continues, how | 15:30 |
| ttx | I think if we can get answers to that we are good | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | If StoryBoard is replaced, where do the resources come from? | 15:32 |
| ttx | That is part of (1) for me | 15:32 |
| ttx | Whatever is used needs to be viable | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | Gotcha | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | That does narrow things down a bit, doesn't it. | 15:34 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, any other discussion topics? | 15:36 |
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| ttx | nothing from me | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | I'm done. yolanda? | 15:36 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, sorry, i got pinged on Gozer | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | It doesn't look like we have any features ready for release. | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | i.e. nothing I can do release notes on. | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Everything we shipped last week is backend | 15:37 |
| yolanda | in the meeting if we have some, i'd like to expose the features that SB has and it's good for, that launchpad/phabricator doesn't provide, so it's a +1 from our project | 15:37 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda: ++ | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Ok, I'll close the meeting. Thanks everyone! | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 15:40:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-05-04-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-05-04-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-05-04-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| ttx | thx krotscheck ! | 15:40 |
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| NobodyCam | mornign alll | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 4 17:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:01 |
| devananda | g'morning/afternoon/evening! | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| zzzeek | o/ | 17:01 |
| pshige | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | \o/ | 17:01 |
| Shrews | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:01 |
| devananda | \o | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | howdy y'all | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | I believe we have several folks on holiday today | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | and even a few in other meetings so we may be a little light | 17:02 |
| kan__ | \o | 17:02 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #topic announcements: | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements: (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:03 | |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | I believe devananda will be traveling this week | 17:03 |
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| devananda | indeed I will | 17:03 |
| devananda | that means I'll actually do some reviews | 17:03 |
| devananda | because gertty rocks and planes have no internet | 17:04 |
| jroll | \o | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | DiscoverD and Bifrost are up for project review in tomorrows TC meeting | 17:04 |
| devananda | (well, planes over the pacific) | 17:04 |
| * jroll is only half here right now | 17:04 | |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: what kind of project review? | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | to be included in the OpenStack repo tree | 17:04 |
| devananda | i proposed them to infra/project-config to move into openstack/ namespace | 17:05 |
| jroll | word | 17:05 |
| pshige | oh | 17:05 |
| devananda | er, rather, I mean I proposed them to the governance tree | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) so major congrats to all! | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | and good luck! | 17:05 |
| devananda | I still need to create the project/config changes to go along with that ... | 17:05 |
| devananda | (unless anyone beats me to it) | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: will you have time today for that? as I know your leaving to fly around the plant tonight | 17:06 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: at least for a first pass, yes | 17:07 |
| * rloo wonders where 'Bifrost' name came from | 17:07 | |
| NobodyCam | thor? | 17:07 |
| devananda | rloo: the recesses of the collective unconscious? | 17:07 |
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| NobodyCam | was that not name of the bridge thing | 17:07 |
| devananda | anyone else have announcements, or shall we move on? | 17:08 |
| Shrews | devananda named it, so i suspect he was solidly drunk at the time :) | 17:08 |
| rloo | Bifrost (pronounced roughly “BEEF-roast;” Old Norse Bifröst) is the rainbow bridge that connects Asgard, the world of the Aesir tribe of gods, with Midgard, the world of humanity. | 17:08 |
| devananda | rloo: that's the one | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | status report ? | 17:08 |
| devananda | Shrews: I neither confirm nor deny that | 17:08 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yah. status report | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report | 17:09 |
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| NobodyCam | of course details may be posted on the white board | 17:10 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:10 |
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| rloo | wrt oslo, Ghe updated a few patches :-) | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | looks light today.. new Bug numbers | 17:10 |
| devananda | yea, I dont see any updates from the driver folks | 17:11 |
| devananda | and dtantsur is on PTO this and next week | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | any comments or questions on status releated things? | 17:11 |
| devananda | given the usually non-contentious nature of oslo changes, it would be great to get some of thoes changes landed inthe next week or two | 17:12 |
| rloo | is it still worth sending out weekly emails about this? | 17:12 |
| devananda | like things that were oslo-lib-ified in kilo but didn't get merged into ironic yet | 17:12 |
| devananda | rloo: right now, probably not. however... | 17:12 |
| rloo | +1, esp the logging changes that touches many files | 17:12 |
| BadCub | sorry I am a bit late | 17:12 |
| devananda | i expect we'll be talking about drivers a bunch at the summit, so post-summit, I hope we'll have more activity from driver authors/maintainers/testers | 17:13 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, will put it on hold til after the summit. | 17:13 |
| devananda | wanyen: any news on iLO CI? | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 17:13 |
| wanyen | devananda, all patches for 3rd-party CI were submitted for review and test run works. | 17:14 |
| devananda | I know we have had some specs for drivers recently approved, eg. iRMC vmedia deploy using NFS/CIFS | 17:14 |
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| devananda | wanyen: do you have links available to share? | 17:14 |
| rloo | the iRMC vmedia deploy was mentioned last week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062866.html | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | we really will need to talk about the Driver composition matrix at the summit. | 17:15 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yah. | 17:15 |
| devananda | wanyen: or rather, is there anything we can do // has anything changed since last week? | 17:15 |
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| devananda | rloo: oh, right :) | 17:16 |
| devananda | well, let's move on then. sounds like nothing happened last week | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Summit planning | 17:17 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | we've got some great ideas up so far | 17:17 |
| devananda | we discussed this at the last weekly meeting, but since then I've talked with the ML2 subcommittee chair (sukhdev) | 17:17 |
| devananda | and he's investigated the networking issues more deeply -- there's a POC up, even | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | there are also several cross - project things (neutron / ml2 as example) | 17:18 |
| devananda | tldr; it looks like most of the work required is in ironic and nova, so they've asked for us to host the session | 17:18 |
| wanyen | devanada, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IloDriverGateTesting | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IloDriverGateTesting | 17:19 |
| devananda | wanyen: ty. I've added to the etherpad for future reference | 17:19 |
| rloo | wrt Friday: why RAID and Zapping spec reviews, as opposed to other specs that have been proposed? | 17:19 |
| wanyen | devanana, np | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do we still need to sit down with hte nova folk RE: Gate testing stuff? | 17:20 |
| devananda | rloo: in part because those two are central to finishing the state machine, and in part because they've been contentious in the past | 17:20 |
| devananda | rloo: are there other specs that you think would be a better use of time? | 17:21 |
| rloo | devananda: ahh, ok. I thought I was the only one that was negative on the RAID one. | 17:21 |
| rloo | devananda: I was thinking that it would be good to slot some time to review specs. | 17:21 |
| devananda | rloo: ++ | 17:21 |
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| rloo | devananda: not mention specific ones now, but see what specs are outstanding/contentious at the time. | 17:22 |
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| * zzzeek has to brb, sorry | 17:23 | |
| devananda | for the six working sessions, how do folks feel about that allocation? | 17:23 |
| devananda | I'd like to swap in networking, but not sure which one to remove | 17:23 |
| rloo | devananda: does Scaling the Team Structure require 45 minutes? | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | 3.9 | 17:23 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I dont think that's worth a whole session, and I dont have the sense from Nova that they do either | 17:23 |
| rloo | Is 2.6 where we discuss more frequent releases? | 17:24 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: sdague and I may go find a corner to discuss it, but basically we need to continue improving our testing, and just clearly communicate which test(s) are exercising portions of Nova that no other nova-specific tests cover | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ack. do we need a session on Logging Standards cleanup ? or an event? | 17:25 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: there is a cross-project spec on logging standards, but I have the impression folks may not be aware of it, so I think it's worth a discussion | 17:25 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: but not a whole session, which is why I put it on the friday agenda | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ahh okay!!!! | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: hmm. yes | 17:26 |
| BadCub | devananda: do you think we can combine 2.5 & 2.6 into one session? | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: think we can merge those two? | 17:26 |
| devananda | :) | 17:26 |
| devananda | done | 17:26 |
| rloo | devananda: what's done? if 2.6 includes frequent releases, no, can't merge. i think that will take time. | 17:27 |
| rloo | darn, he merged it | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:27 |
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| devananda | BadCub: didn't you want to talk about the release process itself? | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: is that something we need to talk to external folk about or can we discuss over say dinner? | 17:28 |
| rloo | can't we do functional testing 2.2 on Friday? | 17:28 |
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| BadCub | devananda: yeah. How we can make it less "crunchy" and stressful for reviewers | 17:28 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: if we're talking about more frequent releases, doesn't that affect the community? | 17:28 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: I'm not quite sure what that means though (more freq releases). did jroll propose something yet? | 17:29 |
| devananda | rloo: it affects developers (us) but not users or operators (except those that want to use more frequent releases) | 17:29 |
| devananda | it is an internal process discussion for ironic developer community | 17:29 |
| * zzzeek back | 17:29 | |
| devananda | so it's a thing we should put in the "working sessions" area | 17:30 |
| BadCub | But I think that will include spec review cut-off's (e.g. when we stop approving/at what # do we stop approving/etc) | 17:30 |
| rloo | devananda: oh. so maybe we can move that to friday. or maybe we can have that session as is and continue on fri if need be. | 17:30 |
| devananda | BadCub: indeed. it's related | 17:30 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: sorry - just signed in…I see item 2 says need to add networking session. | 17:30 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: hi! yes - what time slot on thursday can you join us for that? | 17:30 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: I have to check what other sessions are planned that that, but, this is priority - so, I will put this on top of my list | 17:31 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: I will put together an etherpad sometime this week and send out the link | 17:31 |
| devananda | BadCub, rloo: on the team structure & release cycle, there's a couple different points here: how often we release, how we coordinate designs (specs, BPs, etc), and how we structure review subteams (IPA, discoverd, specs, bifrost, ...) | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | awesome Thank you Sukhdev, could you also post on the liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas etherpad | 17:32 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: ack. It's a priority for us, too. so if I need to move working sessions around to accomodate, lmk. | 17:33 |
| BadCub | devananda: indeed | 17:33 |
| rloo | devananda: I'm thinking that might take more than 45 min. The more general something is, the more people have opinions. that's my opinion anyway ;) | 17:33 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: we have 6 slots, 11am - 5pm. | 17:33 |
| devananda | rloo: heh, right. we can spill that over to friday, but I think keeping that discussion narrow on thrusday will be helpful | 17:34 |
| rloo | devananda: +1 | 17:34 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: checking schedule | 17:34 |
| devananda | of those 3 things, the first 2 are most tightly coupled and most relevant | 17:34 |
| devananda | to the largest # of people | 17:34 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: I can make anytime - as of now... | 17:36 |
| devananda | jroll: huh. I dont actually see a section on the 'pad with notes on release cadence | 17:36 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: ok. I'll put it just after lunch, but can move if needed. let me know | 17:37 |
| rloo | according to the schedule, sessions are 40 min, not 45. if we don't include the breaks. | 17:37 |
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| BadCub | devananda: If memory serves, you, me and jroll were supposed to put aside some time to discuss ^ | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: Sounds good - thanks. | 17:37 |
| devananda | BadCub: you're probably right | 17:37 |
| * BadCub checks notes to be sure | 17:37 | |
| devananda | rloo: breaks are just there for us to use them, right? ;) | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:38 |
| * NobodyCam need his smoke breaks | 17:38 | |
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| BadCub | devananda: yep.. We were.. I got sidetracked with downstream stuff though, so my bad for not staying on top of that | 17:39 |
| rloo | anyone know what 2.4 Scheduling Capabilities, is going to involve? | 17:39 |
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| BadCub | NobodyCam: ++ on ^^ for sure! | 17:39 |
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| devananda | rloo: "Capabilities" | 17:39 |
| devananda | it's pretty light onthe 'pad, though | 17:39 |
| devananda | line 202 | 17:39 |
| rloo | devananda: wrt nova? | 17:39 |
| rloo | devananda: oh, ok, thx. looking. | 17:40 |
| devananda | yea, wrt Nova and our API for exposing them to the scheduler | 17:40 |
| devananda | we need more concrete proposals there, though | 17:41 |
| * rloo seems to recall a session before about capabilities. can't recall what we decided. hope this isn't a rehash of that. | 17:41 | |
| devananda | rloo: ++ | 17:41 |
| wanyen | capabilitites spec was propsoed inJuno but bumped to Liberty | 17:42 |
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| rloo | wanyen: does it need to be discussed in a session? | 17:42 |
| rloo | wanyen: there's time set aside on Fri to discuss specs. | 17:43 |
| wanyen | rloo, I did not propose that session. | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | oh devananda see e0ne's comment in ironic's channel | 17:43 |
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| rloo | wanyen: thx for clarifying. | 17:43 |
| e0ne | hi | 17:44 |
| devananda | hi! | 17:44 |
| devananda | e0ne: is there any way to put the cinder-ironic discussion on wednesday? | 17:44 |
| e0ne | thursday is also all of cinder's sessions :( | 17:44 |
| e0ne | i'll ask thingee | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | FYI * there is one Open discussion Item on the agenda. and 15 minutes left in the meeting * | 17:45 |
| wanyen | rloo: however, capabilities can be very helpful to provide better cotnrol of workload placement and ironic can do work to support capabilities taht needs actions e.g., setting correct firmware setting adn RAID level | 17:45 |
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| rloo | wanyen: I doubt that anyone thinks that capabilities are not useful. | 17:45 |
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| devananda | e0ne: ah, I see. then I think we need to find a slot where we can split one of the teams :-/ | 17:45 |
| rloo | wanyen: I am just wondering what the Capabilities session is for, and whether we need to have a session on it. | 17:46 |
| devananda | wanyen: if it's not a contentious topic -- if folks already reviewed and approved the spec, for instance -- then there's probably no need for a sessoin | 17:46 |
| rloo | devananda: we don't know who proposed that session | 17:46 |
| * devananda removes it | 17:47 | |
| Nisha | rloo, i think it would be better to have a session as if we need any changes in nova(which i think will be required for act upon capabilities), then we can propose them early rather than later | 17:47 |
| wanyen | rloo: one potential topic is how to define a few common capabilities, e.g., capabilities for compute node, control node, etc | 17:47 |
| e0ne | devananda: we could move it to wednesday | 17:47 |
| e0ne | devananda: " <thingee>preferred time?"? | 17:47 |
| * rloo just doesn't want to have another capabilities session like the last summit | 17:48 | |
| devananda | e0ne: ironic doesn't have any slots on weds. | 17:48 |
| wanyen | The topic that I am interested in is to support of capabilities with multiplepossible values | 17:48 |
| devananda | wanyen: that's more of a nova scheduler question, isn't it? | 17:48 |
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| wanyen | devananda, yes, it's related to Nova but ironic virt driver may need to change | 17:49 |
| Nisha | devananda, it should be in ironic virt driver | 17:49 |
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| devananda | right -- so that should have been proposed to Nova, since it changes the nova virt driver & scheduler APIs | 17:49 |
| Nisha | devananda, but the approach has to be first discussed in ironic so that we know what we are proposing to nova...isnt it | 17:50 |
| * devananda thought we had previously agreed on the way that that data would be stored in Ironic | 17:50 | |
| Nisha | because that will/may require further changes in ironic | 17:50 |
| devananda | oh | 17:50 |
| e0ne | devananda: i'll notify you about time of session once i'll know it | 17:50 |
| devananda | rloo: so that's why it needs a discussion, apparently | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | * 10 minutes * | 17:50 |
| wanyen | devananda, JayF subitted a capabilities spec for Juno but that spec was not under much reivewed or approved. JayF voluntarily bump the spec to Liberty | 17:51 |
| devananda | ok, folks, so please take some time to comment on the etherpad | 17:51 |
| wanyen | s/subitted/submitted | 17:51 |
| devananda | all of this should be discussed up there throughout the week | 17:51 |
| devananda | so we dont have to wait until next Monday to discuss it again | 17:51 |
| Nisha | yes as of now we store all the capabilities while actually only those capabilities should be copied to ironic node whic require any action from driver | 17:51 |
| pshige | e0ne: thx | 17:51 |
| * BadCub wont be in attendance next Monday meeting | 17:51 | |
| rloo | devananda: by 'discuss', we just add our comments to the etherpad? | 17:51 |
| Nisha | if it is just scheduling property we dont need to clutter instance_info | 17:51 |
| devananda | rloo: yes | 17:51 |
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| rloo | devananda: okey dokey | 17:52 |
| devananda | I will "finalize" the schedule next week | 17:52 |
| devananda | which really means deciding what we talk about thursday | 17:52 |
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| NobodyCam | good to move on? | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | is ken__ here? | 17:52 |
| devananda | as friday is free-form and we'll no doubt think of more things to talk about then :) | 17:53 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ++ | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | gah kan__ | 17:53 |
| kan__ | hi | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| devananda | #info I will "finalize" the Thursday summit schedule next week. Please *PLEASE* take some time to discuss and add comments on the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 17:53 |
| e0ne | devananda, pshige: Wednesday, May 20 • 5:20pm - 6:00pm | 17:53 |
| e0ne | http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/57b44975517778e6450613b5c0ca2681#.VUex7608aHo | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | Hi kan__ you have a text thing on the agenda | 17:54 |
| devananda | e0ne: awesome, thanks. adding a note to our 'pad | 17:54 |
| e0ne | thanks! | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1446508,https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db,https://github.com/zzzeek/sqlalchemy | 17:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446508 in Ironic "Use 'last_error' and 'maintenance_reason' as the sort key in node list will error with db2" [Low,Triaged] | 17:54 |
| kan__ | yes, I have a bug im ironic :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1446508 | 17:54 |
| kan__ | when using some sort keys with db2, there will error for the 'text' data type is transfered to 'clob', and it can not be used in 'order by' sql command | 17:55 |
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| rloo | kan__: there are a lot of comments in this bug. which comments should we be looking at? (What is the question?) | 17:56 |
| kan__ | talked with mike bayer, try to find some ways to fix it | 17:56 |
| devananda | e0ne: fyi, i believe cheddar allows you to put that inthe Ironic track, which might help folks find it | 17:56 |
| devananda | e0ne: by using the "Also appears in..." box | 17:56 |
| kan__ | comment 16 and 19 | 17:57 |
| zzzeek | the simplest solution involves prodiucing an attribute that is safely sortable, there just needs to be a translation of this name when paginate_query() is called | 17:57 |
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| devananda | kan__: first, why is anything sorting by those fields? | 17:57 |
| kan__ | mike gives some advices about how to fix in comment 16 and 20-22 | 17:57 |
| devananda | kan__: second, db2? | 17:57 |
| rloo | devananda: when you do a node-list (or chassis-list), you can specify the sort key. | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | * two minuts * | 17:58 |
| rloo | devananda: I guess we allow users to specify last_error and maintenance_reason | 17:58 |
| devananda | rloo: from a UX perspective, those are useless columns to sort by. why don't we not allow it? | 17:59 |
| zzzeek | devananda: db2 is a backend we seem to be supporting in oslo.db, I would assume some are using it | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 17:59 |
| rloo | devananda: that's what i was wondering. would be an easy way to solve this! | 17:59 |
| kan__ | I have another bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ironicclient/+bug/1446146 to disable some invalid sort keys, but the last_error and maintenance_reason is able | 17:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446146 in python-ironicclient "Meaningless sort key should disabled in the list command" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Kan (kansks) | 17:59 |
| zzzeek | devananda: as far as that particular col being a sort field, I agree it would be easier for it to not be sortable. the discussion on the bug report seems to feel that sorting by error code is very useful and I can see how it might be, though if i were searching for a particiular error I’d just use grep | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | * thats time... can we contine in the Ironic channel | 18:00 |
| * zzzeek has given all the info he has :) | 18:00 | |
| * BadCub wanders off | 18:00 | |
| devananda | intersting. yea, I dont mean t otroll, just catching up on the bug | 18:00 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you all... great meeting | 18:00 |
| zzzeek | devananda: feel free to jump on the bug :) | 18:00 |
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| devananda | thanks all! | 18:01 |
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| NobodyCam | !endmeeting | 18:01 |
| openstack | NobodyCam: Error: "endmeeting" is not a valid command. | 18:01 |
| pshige | thanks | 18:01 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 4 18:01:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| NobodyCam | doh | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-05-04-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-05-04-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-05-04-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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