Wednesday, 2015-05-13

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david-lyleanyone here for the horizon meeting?11:58
sambettso/11:58
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doug-fishyep!11:59
david-lyle#startmeeting Horizon11:59
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 11:59:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.11:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.11:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)"11:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'11:59
tsufievhi!11:59
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robcresswellAfternoon :)12:00
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david-lyleAlright, let's get rolling12:00
david-lyleI finalized the schedule for the summit next week12:01
david-lyle#topic summit12:01
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david-lyle#link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/horizon#.VVM9PmTBzRY12:01
david-lyle#link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/horizon12:01
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david-lylefor more details with names #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit12:02
david-lyletsufiev: I have merlin in a working session with curvatue12:02
david-lyle*curvature12:03
david-lyle9:50 on Wed12:03
tsufievdavid-lyle, thanks, will be there :). I've got something to show12:03
robcresswellbradjones will be around to talk Curvature12:03
david-lyleexcellent12:03
david-lyleThe only problem with the etherpad approach is there are less clear owners12:04
david-lylefor the fishbowls, UX is Piet12:05
david-lylePerformance will have TravT and likely room for another12:05
david-lyleand I'll run the operator feedback session12:06
david-lyleI found out yesterday that projectors are not a standard part of the working session room setup, so we're attempting to track one down to use12:07
david-lyleany questions on the Horizon part of the design summit schedule?12:07
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doug-fishI see on thurs at 9:50 there are 2 Horizon sessions ....12:08
bradjonesdavid-lyle: projectors would be very useful for demoing otherwise a lot of crowding round laptops :)12:08
doug-fishis that a mistake?12:08
david-lyledoug-fish: second one is designate12:08
doug-fishoh - it was _my_ mistake12:08
doug-fishgot it12:08
david-lylenot sure why it's showing up as horizon12:08
doug-fishit looks like they intended it as a Horizon discussion12:08
david-lylemaybe because Horizon is in the subject12:09
david-lyleso we may need to send a couple people to their room too12:09
doug-fishI guess we can sort that out when the time comes12:10
david-lyledoug-fish: I would think so12:10
david-lyleThe last scheduling issue for the summit was the sunday night social12:11
david-lylealthough looking at the mailing list, it seems no organized party on Monday12:11
david-lyleso we could move it to Monday12:12
doug-fishI'd vote Sunday12:12
david-lyleor start on Sunday and see if we ever want to talk to each other again before committing to Monday :P12:12
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doug-fishlol12:12
robcresswellEither works for me12:13
david-lylelet's stick with Sunday12:13
* tsufiev will try to be there Sunday night if he won't fall asleep12:13
david-lylejust need a meeting place12:13
david-lylewho's the social chair?12:13
doug-fishwell I'm a big fan of the get together - but I'm a poor social chair12:14
david-lylewe just need a venue (bar) close to the conference center12:15
tsufievoh, I see a mcdonalds near the convention center :)12:15
robcresswelltsufiev: -.-12:15
david-lyleput suggestions in the planning etherpad12:16
david-lyleand we'll pick later this week12:16
david-lylethen maybe send an email to the dev list12:16
david-lyleok, enough summit for now. Looking forward to seeing everyone next week12:17
david-lyle#topic xstatic and licenses12:17
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david-lyleso zigo has found another package that is not properly licensed12:17
david-lylethat makes 3 so far12:17
david-lyleI need to check the docs and see if licensing is mentioned, but we need to be more careful12:18
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robcresswellAgreed. Is anyone addressing the licenses?12:18
doug-fishwe don't really review the packages as part of our process do we?12:19
doug-fishI'm trying to think about when we should do that12:19
david-lylerobcresswell: zigo posted a patch and I just approved12:20
david-lylewill tag later today12:20
robcresswellGreat, thanks12:20
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david-lyleI personally think it's a fault in the way requirements are reviewed12:20
david-lylefirst crack at it is requirements core12:21
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david-lyleafter that point it's just a bot proposal to horizon12:21
david-lyleI watch the requirements repo, but I don't catch all horizon related changes proposed12:22
robcresswellThese seems to be a lot of confusion over xstatic though. It's pretty commonly asked in irc.12:22
doug-fishMaybe we take those bot proposals seriously?12:22
tsufievdavid-lyle, IMO we got more chances to check the license when the xstatic package is being published12:22
doug-fishreview the license, etc before accepting12:22
tsufievor, before it's published12:22
david-lyletsufiev: things is developers publish the repos first12:22
david-lylebefore telling anyone12:22
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tsufievdavid-lyle, just too many repos...12:23
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robcresswellHmm, perhaps some kind of review checklist would be useful for xstatic, so we make sure the licenses are valid, amongst other things.12:23
david-lylewe'll talk a little about packaging at the summit, we should raise this issue again when we have more heads in the room12:23
robcresswell+!12:23
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robcresswell+1*12:24
david-lyleI think the biggest issue is awareness12:24
david-lyleso we can work on that12:24
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david-lyle#topic Open Discussion12:25
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david-lylethere wasn't anything added to the formal agenda, so we'll go free form12:25
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robcresswellI put up a first patch for some Angular docs; could use feedback. Not just what's wrong, but what else you'd like to see, especially those with very little familiarity with Angular. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182243/12:27
robcresswellThere is more content coming on tests and writing your own panels, too.12:27
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robcresswellBut trying to get the ball rolling so we can move on from python-everything.12:28
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david-lylerobcresswell: nice12:28
david-lylethank you12:28
david-lylea heads up, after today, there will likely be a bit of a tree cleanup in the angular related bode12:29
david-lyle*code12:29
robcresswellTyr's patch right?12:29
robcresswellI saw it out in the wild somewhere12:29
david-lylehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/176152/12:29
david-lyleyeah12:29
david-lylelooks like it still needs a little work12:30
david-lyleaccording to Jenkins12:30
robcresswellYep, will keep an eye out and change accordingly.12:30
robcresswellthanks12:30
bradjonesrobcresswell: more info on testing will be great, can talk to you offline about what testing info I would have found useful when I started writing the curvature jasmine tests12:30
david-lylebut I didn't see too much directory structure in your patch so may not mess you up much12:30
robcresswelldavid-lyle: No, just a few bits and pieces as guidance.12:31
robcresswellbradjones: Sounds good!12:31
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robcresswellI'm more than happy for people to just say "write about X", and I'll go do some research, so feel free to add comments.12:31
* robcresswell feels like he may regret saying that12:32
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* bradjones will make robcresswell regret saying that12:32
david-lylerobcresswell: The karma bit will be interesting as well once it's in12:32
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robcresswelldavid-lyle: Yeah, Richard mentioned that. Seems like the current patch needs some discussion regarding packaging etc too.12:34
robcresswellStill unclear on whether there is any acceptance of bower/ npm, even if its just for testing purposes.12:34
david-lylerobcresswell: yes, I think the patch is a good idea and a good developer tool, just need to discuss it a bit12:34
tsufievrobcresswell, yet there are already npm-based jobs in jenkins up and running12:34
david-lylea fully optional testing tool based on npm is ok12:35
david-lylea required one is not12:35
robcresswelltsufiev: Indeed, JSHint being one of them.12:35
tsufievwe used for testing Merlin the ones that krotscheck made for storyboard-webclient12:35
david-lyleand one that introduces another dependency scheme is worse12:35
david-lyletsufiev: in merlin you have all the dependencies vendored into the source directory?12:36
david-lylejavascript ones?12:36
robcresswellWhat about an optional one, that includes dependencies? I'm mainly thinking of including the package.json/ bower.json12:36
david-lylerobcresswell: I'm not for a separate dependency mechanism12:36
tsufievdavid-lyle, good question :). I should inspect test logs to give you a definite answer, for now it 'just works'12:37
mrungeyes, yikes. that'll create a nightmare12:37
david-lylerobcresswell: it needs to be the same12:37
robcresswellIn that case, Karma will need an xstatic package12:37
david-lylerobcresswell: karma is a tool, my issue is it was pulling in dependencies using bower rather than xstatic12:37
david-lylewhich isn't a valid way to test anything12:38
david-lylematt has resolved that part12:38
david-lyleso my hackles are down now12:38
robcresswellYeah, should have phrased myself better.12:38
tsufievdavid-lyle, okay, we have bower_components and node_modules dirs put inside merlin repo by jenkins job while it's being run12:38
david-lyletsufiev: so you are running bower in the gate?12:39
robcresswellHis patch still has a bower.json with listed dependencies, or does he have a newer patch offline?12:39
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david-lylerobcresswell: he's marked it WIP12:39
tsufievdavid-lyle, not yet, but that's the plan proposed by krotscheck12:39
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david-lyletsufiev: so how do you get the packages in bower_components?12:40
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david-lylewe can discuss later too12:40
david-lylemrunge: thoughts on karma as an optional testing tool?12:40
mrungedavid-lyle, as long as we don't introduce another dependency chain12:41
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mrungeor another packaging tool....12:41
david-lyleI wanted to make sure you had an opportunity to weigh in from the packaging perspective12:41
mrunge:D12:41
david-lylemrunge: ok that was my biggest concern too12:41
mrungeI haven't looked at building karma from source yet12:42
david-lyletrojan packaging tool additions get me up in arms12:42
tsufievdavid-lyle, I'm not putting the dependencies downloaded by bower into merlin repo, instead I had put just a list of dependencies and deployment instructions including 'node_modules/.bin/bower install'12:42
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mrungetsufiev, have you asked zigo about using karma yet?12:42
tsufievdavid-lyle, sorry, I was a bit incorrect12:42
mrungehe's the other person involved with packaging here12:42
tsufievmrunge, not yet12:43
mrungetsufiev, you should! it might stop your plans immediately12:43
david-lylethere is a cross-project session on javascript12:43
mrungeoh, funny12:43
david-lylehttp://sched.co/3D6612:44
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david-lyleso we may have more clarity or more confusion after that :)12:44
tsufievmrunge, david-lyle: I hope that things clarify after this session, right now the test specs itself are most valuable part of testing machinery, how do we run them is second question12:45
david-lyletsufiev: we use jasmine right now12:45
tsufievdavid-lyle, as we do12:45
david-lylebut that's through selenium12:45
david-lyleit could be much better12:45
david-lylebut the solution has to work for all parties not just developers12:45
mrunge"Modern JavaScript...." :D12:46
tsufievyeah, I've considered using the Horizon's approach, but running pure JS tests via some python machinery looked hacky to me :-/12:46
david-lyletsufiev: oh it is12:46
david-lyleno question12:46
tsufievand then storyboard-webclient came to our rescue :)12:46
david-lylebut it's the compromise we've landed on to work with operators and packagers12:47
david-lylewhich is part of the equation that storyboard-webclient doesn't have to concern itself with12:47
tsufievoh, I remember reading 120-letter thread about JS tooling12:47
david-lyleyeah12:47
david-lyleso unless we have wider consensus on a tool chain change, I'm not moving12:48
tsufievokay, once merlin goes to horizon we would be happy to obey common rules, I believe it would be so hard to reuse horizon Jasmine runners12:48
tsufiev*it wouldn't be12:49
mrungeare you sure, merlin will move to horizon?12:49
tsufievmrunge, that was the original plan12:49
david-lylewe may have an epiphany at the summit too12:49
mrungeyupp12:49
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david-lylemrunge: we'll discuss at the summit, but IIUC merlin is a generalized toolkit which would make sense the base repo, Horizon12:50
mrungedavid-lyle, sure12:50
david-lylea common piece plugins could use12:50
tsufievdavid-lyle, yep, that's the main point12:50
mrungeI was just thinking of "core" and plugins and "ugly rest"12:50
mrungeor so12:50
david-lylebut that's why we have the session12:51
david-lyleand the plugin session12:51
david-lylelots to talk about :D12:51
david-lyleany last thoughts anyone?12:53
mrungewho is preparing sessions?12:53
mrungeis that just you david-lyle ?12:53
david-lylehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit is the best guide12:53
david-lylewhoa12:53
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david-lyleI listed the fishbowl owners above12:54
david-lylefor the working sessions, I think it can be more freeform12:54
david-lyleI can lead #112:54
david-lyle#2 is tsufiev and bradjones12:54
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david-lyle#3 I can lead12:54
david-lyle#4 would be great if mrunge led :D12:55
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david-lyle#5 a mix of lhcheng, doug-fish and david-lyle12:55
david-lyle#6 TravT and tqtran12:55
* mrunge makes a mental note to prepare messaging...12:56
david-lyle#7 r1chardJ0n3s, sqchen and tqtran12:56
david-lyle#8 I can with many helping12:56
david-lyleif anyone wants to lead any of the oh crap it's dave sessions again, speak up12:57
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tsufiev:)))12:57
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robcresswellhaha12:57
david-lyleI'm hoping those are more roundtable12:57
david-lyleI can moderate if need be12:57
david-lyleI need to set up etherpads for the sessions too, i'll try to get those up today or tomorrow12:58
david-lyleunless someone beats me to it12:58
david-lyleok, times up12:58
david-lylesee everyone next week, safe travels12:58
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david-lyle#endmeeting12:59
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tsufievbye!12:59
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mrungethanks david-lyle , bye12:59
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ajohi everybody, I need 1min, :)14:00
vikram__hi ajo14:00
ajomoshele, matrohon , aveiga, are you around?14:01
ajoprobably we're going to have a lot of missing people today14:01
moshelehi14:01
ddepaolihi everybody, I'am Daniel from create-net14:01
matrohonhi14:01
ddepaoliwe are interested in qos14:02
ihrachyshkao/14:02
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ajohi :) welcome! ;)14:02
ajook, let's start14:02
sadasuHello!14:02
ajo#startmeeting neutron_qos14:02
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 14:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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ajo#topic specs14:03
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ajoCurrent shape of the spec: single api URI for rules,14:03
ajo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/11/specs/liberty/qos-api-extension.rst14:03
ajofrom the last change to now, I've moved it back to a single URI for rules14:03
ajoas the other approach seemed to complicate things14:04
ajoI wonder how a single URI end plays with micro versioning, we probably would have a better control over different URI ends14:04
* mestery lurks14:05
ajosee line 28014:05
ajohi mestery  :)14:05
* mestery waves at ajo14:05
ajoI haven't been able to do my homework and see if we have an easy way to map this to the cmdline client while keeping all rule type arguments in separate helps14:06
ihrachyshkaajo, I'm sorry for dumb question, but what is 'multiple URI' alternative?14:06
ajoI'll make sure I've investigated it before the summit session14:06
ajoihrachyshka, sure, 1 sec14:06
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ajonot a dumb question14:06
ajoright now, the current state proposes:14:06
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ajoPOST /v2.0/qos-rules14:06
ajowhile before we had14:06
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ajoPOST /v2.0/qos-bandwidth-limiting-rules/14:07
ajofor example14:07
ajoqos-<type>-rules/14:07
ajoor..14:07
ajowe could do14:07
ajov2.0/qos-rules/bandwidth-limiting/14:07
sc68cal^ that sounds more feasible14:07
ajothe last one?14:07
sc68calcompared to qos-<type>-rules14:07
ajoyeah, probably14:08
ihrachyshkaah, ok, thanks. maybe the explanation belongs to Alternatives section of the spec. with rationale on why it's wrong. (I vote for aesthetics)14:08
ajothis way we will have finer grain control with micro versioning14:08
ajoihrachyshka +114:08
ajothat makes sense14:08
ajolet's keep all the options in alternatives14:08
ajoany opinions about moving to /qos-rules/<type>/  ?14:08
ajoI guess that also matches with the "features" which are drafted over the microversioning API proposal14:09
vhoward+1 on v2.0/qos-rules/bandwidth-limiting/14:09
ajowere plugins could opt-in to features14:09
ajofeatures could be specific rule types14:09
ajoack14:09
ihrachyshkayeah, it should be easier to extend with multiple levels14:09
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ajo#action ajo change the rules URI to /v2.0/qos-rules/<rule-type> and keep all other options in the Alternatives section14:10
ajook14:10
ajoI posted another spec about the lowest level OVS bits: https://review.openstack.org//#/c/182349/14:10
ajothanks for the comments, if somebody didn't have a chance, please review14:11
ajoirenab wasn't able to join today14:11
ajobut she wanted to make a note about the datamodel changes we've done with armax suggestions14:11
ajowe changed from an open json blob for rule types & parameters14:12
ajointo something more tightly coupled to the data model14:12
ajosince we need to model each rule type as a table extending QoSRule14:12
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ajoshe's worried about the flexibility of this approach if the development of the "QoS service" is done in a separate tree14:12
sfinucanhi - apologies for being late14:13
ajoshe believes it's a point we may discuss over summit, so I guess we can keep a few minutes for it14:13
ajohi sfinucan !14:13
ajoa separate tree implementation, with an strict datamodel, would , currently require patches to the neutron server core to update the datamodel for every new rule type.14:14
ajobut I guess that could be addressed in the future if advanced services can bring their own data migrations14:14
ajoany thoughts about this? :)14:15
ihrachyshkaajo, don't they already?14:15
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ajoihrachyshka, I'm unsure, could be14:15
ihrachyshkaHenryG mentioned some adv-services specific alembic trees in email today in openstack-dev@14:15
matrohonajo : I also though they were14:15
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matrohonat least they are for vpnaas14:16
ajohmmm thanks ihrachyshka ,  I will check for that email thread, if you can #link paste the link it'd be very handy14:16
ihrachyshkaajo, I think it's ok to go with strict version now and see whether people cry too loud14:16
ajomatrohon, ihrachyshka  ++ thanks, that's very valuable input14:16
ihrachyshkaajo, looking14:16
ajoihrachyshka I'm happier with the stricter datamodel14:16
ajoIt leads to better user experience, and parameter standarization without bloating the business logic to check all the fields14:16
ajofields=parameters14:17
matrohonhowever I d'ont know if there are still some foreign key between neutron and adv-service14:17
ihrachyshkaajo, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064031.html14:17
ajoihrachyshka thanks14:17
ajo#link  http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064031.html14:17
ajook, I guess we can move on to the next topic14:17
ajo#topic ingress/egress bw limiting14:18
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ajoFinally with all the gathered info, I believe we should focus on egress as a priority,14:18
ajosince ovs is lacking ofmetering support yet14:18
ajoand the possible solutions are excessively twisted IMHO, and it's not an important use case (at least when I've discussed it)14:19
ajoI mean the possible solutions for ingress bw limiting14:19
ajobtw vikram__ I was able to check the ingress rate policy settings in ovs-vsctl, and those are actually VM egress (ingress from the switch POV)14:20
ddepaoliwhat are the solutions for egress rate?14:20
ajoddepaoli, making a mirrored tap interface, and then filtering on that mirrored "tap" egress14:20
vikram__ok.. Sorry I could not spend time for it.14:21
ajovikram__, no worries14:21
ajoddepaoli, openflow has support for it, OF1.3 , openflow metering rules, ... but that's not in openvswitch yet14:21
sfinucanajo: the ingress rate limiting built into Nova (via libvirt driver) works like this14:22
sfinucanand it doesn't work with SRIOV, for this reason14:23
ajoyes, i know libvirt has support for qos, I believe gsagie pointed it out,14:23
ajoyes, it's very coupled to nova/qemu14:23
ajoIMO we can solve ingress at a later time, and focus in other issues which are probably more important14:24
sfinucanagreed14:24
ajosfinucan, thanks for the input :)14:24
sc68calLet's work on the API and framework - so that people can then independently work on their own qos types14:24
ajosc68cal +114:25
ihrachyshka+14:25
vikram__+114:25
ajook, anybody wants to raise any specific topic before we jump into QoS session planning ?14:25
vikram__the qos wiki page is old .. i think we gonna update14:26
ajovikram__, which one?14:26
vikram__it's confusing14:26
vikram__i sent you the link14:26
ajoyes, and probably we should get all the blueprints updated with the new design decissions14:26
vikram__let me check14:26
ajosc68cal is the owner of most of them :), I'll need your help sc68cal14:26
sc68calok14:27
vikram__https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/QoS14:27
vikram__ok14:27
sc68calwhat specifically do we need to update?14:28
vikram__the content is old i feel14:28
sc68calI think it's low priority at this point14:28
vikram__New work link will be better14:29
ajovikram__, I'd move all this to the meeting page if that sounds ok, or we can just link it and keep it updated14:29
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ajosc68cal, yes, about the blueprints we will need to do it at a later time, renaming the "quantum-qos" to "neutron-qos" could be a nice thing :D14:29
vikram__ok14:29
ajosc68cal, unless you want to show the world how much is this taking, which... could be fair14:30
ajo:)14:30
sc68calajo: read my mind ;)14:30
vikram__Just an open item in my mind so pointed:)14:30
ajosc68cal lol, you want to keep it14:30
sc68calsimilar to the wiki, low priority to me - more interested in getting code complete14:30
sc68calor forging consensus on the code14:31
ajosc68cal, yep, but we need to link blueprints from code... at that point we can go and do a quick blueprint update14:31
ajook14:31
ajolet's plan the summit session!14:31
ajolet me first...14:32
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ajo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/QoS14:32
ajoto remember we need to update it14:32
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ajo#topic QoS summit session planning14:32
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ajo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-qos14:32
ajoI come with a totally agenda I'd like to shape together with you14:33
ajoI guess, one important point, is presenting the current state of the API14:33
ajoto get feedback about how it looks, and how're we going to do it14:34
vhowardwonderful, def think that should be included14:34
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ajothe proposed work scope for this cycle14:34
ajowhat we plan to do : bw limiting rules, basic admin control, etc...14:35
ajoand how could we extend that with RBAC when that's available14:35
ajoI'd leave a "looking into the future section" for the end, if we have time14:36
ajoalso, a point of future needs for integration with nova scheduler (related to guarantees)14:37
ajowe haven't yet iterated about how to do the mid levels of the design14:38
ajoRPC & plugin integration14:38
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ajoso far to me a service could make sense (from the design separation POV), even if I don't believe this is an advanced service making use of ports14:38
ajosc68cal, mestery , all, do you believe it's interesting to include a point about this ^14:39
ihrachyshkaalso heat?14:39
ajoor we could end up on an endless discussion14:39
ihrachyshkasorry... wrong tab14:39
ajoihrachyshka np, It made sense in the scheduling context, lol14:39
sc68calhmm14:39
ihrachyshkathe wind of change suggests it should be out by default.14:40
mesteryajo: It's possible, yes.14:40
ajofrom summit to the QoS sprint, we have like 1.5months, all those points would need to be agreed before doing the QoS sprint, otherwise we'd probably just burning time14:40
matrohonajo : +1 for adv-service, but it needs a stable callback mechanism14:41
ajomestery, ihrachyshka , sc68cal , we also have the separate/core tree for the service, if we go "aaS"14:41
matrohonajo : or we'll have to implement your own mechanism driver14:42
ajomatrohon, sure, the callback mechanism could still be enhanced, but is it unstable?14:42
mesteryajo: That's true, it's worth thinking about. I'm keen to hear this discussion out in Vancouver14:42
* mestery is on an A319 which is about to land so he'll drop out soon14:42
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ajomestery have a safe landing! ;)14:43
ajoI love flights with wifi14:43
matrohonajo : this interface is still new, and kwargs ar put into it, preventing the receiver to know exactly what is inside...14:43
mesteryajo: +1000!14:43
ajomatrohon, true, not an strong contract for arguments,14:43
ajomay be we need callback microversioning ;)14:44
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matrohonajo : it needs an interface contract14:44
matrohonajo : +114:44
matrohon:)14:44
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ajook: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-qos14:44
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ajoany other ideas which are worth discussing?14:45
ajoah, I'm just remembering some feedback irenab  provided about this14:45
ajoshe wanted us to draft what would be the process of adding new rule types based on the current design14:46
ajo1) add the datamodel (review here or there...)14:46
ajo2) add the API URI handlers fro the rule...14:46
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ajo3) add the backend support...14:47
ajoand any RPC changes14:47
ajowell, for RPC I believe we should make a design that needs no new RPC changes for every new rule type14:47
ajook :)14:48
ajoif there's no more feedback we can close the meeting earlier14:48
ajofeel free to comment on the etherpad anytime..14:49
vikram__what all driver support we will be eyeing for the first release?14:49
ajovikram__, matrohon , sc68cal , ihrachyshka , sfinucan , matrohon , ddepaoli  , vhoward  , sadasu ,14:50
ajo*14:50
ajothanks a lot for joining14:50
ajovikram__, what do you mean ?14:50
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ajoI signed up for ML2/OVS, and you did for ML2/LB, the minimum is the reference implementation14:51
vikram__ok14:51
ajoahh, also matrohon for ML2/SRIOV14:51
vikram__just want to confirm on this..14:52
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matrohonajo : I didn't :)14:52
ajovikram__ +114:52
vikram__:)14:52
ajonot you, sorry... hmmm14:52
matrohonmoshele probably?14:52
vikram__confusions around :)14:52
ajomoshele :)14:52
sc68calas long as *an* implementation lands with the other code changes14:52
ajothe tab cheated me :)14:53
sc68calthe others can be developed at a different pace14:53
ajocorrect, I'm not sure if we're generally obligated to go with the reference one...14:53
sc68calyes, we are14:54
ajoanyway, we both signed up for ovs, so.. that will be there :D14:54
ajook :)14:54
ajolet's "endmeeting"14:54
vikram__i will ensure14:54
ajo#endmeeting14:54
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ajovikram__ +114:55
ajothanks vikram__14:55
vikram__bye14:55
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ajothanks everybody, it was a pleasure, as usual :)14:55
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slaweqhello18:51
slaweqis there neutron fwaas meeting now maybe?18:51
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sc68calslaweq: cancelled, there's a mail on the ML18:51
slaweqthx18:52
slaweqprobably I missed this email18:52
slaweqsorry :)18:52
sc68calslaweq: np18:52
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alaski#startmeeting nova_cells21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 13 21:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells'21:00
alaskiAnyone here for the cells meeting?21:00
melwitto/21:00
dansmithdamn21:00
dansmitho/21:00
belmoreirao/21:00
alaskidansmith: heh21:01
alaskicool, let's get started21:01
alaski#topic Tempest testing21:01
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alaskithe cells job is in very good shape21:01
alaskihttp://goo.gl/b7R8wq21:01
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edleafeo/21:01
alaskithere was a recent hiccup with a tempest change, but that has been addressed21:01
bauzas\o21:01
alaskiI'm consistenly seeing tempest.api.compute.servers.test_list_servers_negative.ListServersNegativeTestJSON fail still21:02
dansmiththat was tempest's fault anyway right?21:02
alaskiyes21:02
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bauzasa negative test failing ?21:02
alaskithe test fails infrequently, but seems to happen a couple of times a day21:02
alaskiI just put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182772/ for it21:03
alaskithough it may just address the trace, the actual test failure still needs some digging21:03
alaskiI'm somewhat hopeful it will fix the test though :)21:03
melwittwhat about the UnexpectedVMStateError traces? are they okay?21:03
alaskilike http://logs.openstack.org/51/179951/12/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/9bfbc3d/logs/screen-n-cell-region.txt.gz?level=TRACE ?21:04
melwittthe thing that's hard about the cells job is that exceptions at the messaging level are swallowed, so even if it voted things could get past it I think21:04
melwittalaski: yes21:04
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alaskiI've had that tab open for a while and didn't know if it was still relevant21:05
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alaskimelwitt: true, we can only really be sure about what tempest explicitly checks for21:06
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melwittI bring it up because I was checking the logs for my now monstrous cells Instance object patch, and there were a lot of them. so I checked for other test runs and see it there too though not nearly as many as on my patch21:06
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alaskithat's helpful to know21:07
melwittalaski: what I mean is, in a non-cells environment exceptions like that would cause a tempest test failure but with cells, not necessarily21:07
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melwittexample being I had a problem in an earlier patch set of accessing a non existing attribute on a dict and it passed the tempest job21:08
bauzasmelwitt: probably because most of the exceptions are swallowed like alaski said ?21:09
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melwittand I think maybe it's just that we have to check the logs for traces when we're doing cells/messaging.py changes ourselves21:09
alaskimelwitt: I see.  Is the issue that tempest isn't looking at enough, or that cells is really bad at bubbling things up, or both?21:09
melwittbauzas: yes, that's what I said21:09
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alaskido we still have the mechanism to fail a test on exceptions in certain logs?21:10
dansmithheh21:10
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dansmithI dunno, but it's turned off for everything I think21:10
dansmithwhich sucks21:10
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dansmithIMHO21:10
alaskiyeah21:10
bauzasagreed21:10
melwittalaski: cells catches the exception and returns it to the caller, and the caller can decide what to do with that21:10
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alaskiwe should turn that on for cells if we can21:11
dansmithyou could probably get it turned on for a non-voting thing21:11
bauzascould we maybe reraise the exceptions ?21:11
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bauzasand not just silently drop them ?21:11
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alaskimelwitt: the caller is an rpc cast in most cases though.  is that where it's dropped?21:11
alaskidansmith: agreed.  definitely worth looking into getting it going again in some capacity21:12
alaskibauzas: I think the issue may be that exceptions that would normally happen in the compute api end up on the other side of an rpc cast21:13
melwittalaski: maybe. I'm not sure if "cells messages" always have request/response or if they have a cast too21:14
bauzasalaski: yeah that's my thought too hence the reraise21:14
bauzasoh, a cast, nvm21:14
* bauzas is just tied21:14
alaskimelwitt: gotcha.  the cells messages should have a response, but the loss if probably between the api and the parent cell service21:14
bauzastired even21:14
alaskinot between parent and cell21:14
alaskiit sounds like checking logs, manually if necessary, but preferably via an automated thing is a good thing to do21:15
alaski#action alaski to look into options for failing on exceptions in cells logs21:16
alaskianything else on testing?21:16
alaskinumbers are really good now, and we could almost get away with voting I think21:16
alaskibut knocking out one/two more issues should get us there IMO21:17
alaski#topic Specs21:17
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dansmithoh21:17
dansmithgod21:17
dansmithno21:17
dansmithnot........SPECS21:17
alaskilol21:17
alaskiso, there are specs21:18
dansmithI swear, alaski has more specs than should be allowed21:18
bauzaswell, I just sucked in reviewing those21:18
alaskiand there will be a quiz on them for entrance to the cells summit session21:18
dansmithI'll happily fail that then :)21:18
bauzasI still have a question tho21:18
alaskidansmith: hah, you get a mandatory exception21:18
dansmithfsck.21:18
alaskibauzas: sure21:18
bauzasalaski: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/21:19
bauzasalaski: before commenting it, could you please refresh my mind why it would need a separate object ?21:19
alaskiseparate from request_spec?21:19
bauzasalaski: yup for persisting21:19
bauzasalaski: I understand we need to carry a relationship w/ the instance21:20
alaskibecause there are things that we need to store that don't relate to the reqspecs purpose21:20
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bauzasalaski: your spec was mentioning that, but do you have examples ?21:20
alaskiit's in the spec but availability_zone, power_state, task_state, uuid, key_name, metadata,21:21
alaskisecurity_groups, etc...21:21
bauzasalaski: oh right21:21
alaskisome of those things aren't actually necessary, like power/task state, but uuid and metadata are21:21
bauzasmmm ok, I have my answers, I'll comment out the spec then21:22
alaskicool21:22
bauzas(well, in the plane)21:22
alaskihttps://review.openstack.org/141486 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182715/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136490/ (for posterity)21:23
alaskiprobably a couple more to come, to dansmiths chagrin21:23
dansmithheh21:24
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alaskibut my goal is to get everyone on the same/similar page during the summit, so the specs can be easy reads/reviews21:24
alaskianyone want to talk more about specs?21:25
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alaski#topic Open Discussion21:25
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alaskiI have one thing to mention21:26
alaskiwe should skip next weeks meeting21:26
alaskibut also I'm out the following week21:26
alaskiif someone wants to run the meeting please speak up, otherwise we can skip that week as well21:26
dansmith+1 for skip21:26
dansmithI will be gone too21:27
bauzasyeah we need vacations :;)21:27
alaskisounds good21:27
alaskianyone have a topic to bring up?21:27
bauzaswell, just to mention we can review the etherpads for the summit21:28
alaskiahh, good point21:29
alaskithere is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-cells-v221:29
alaskiand https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-scalling-out-scheduler-for-cells21:29
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alaskiboth of which I should edit a little bit it looks like21:29
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bauzasalaski: fair point, I also need to do that for the latter21:29
bauzasalaski: there are 2 points, one for providing incremental updates and one for having a shared state21:30
bauzasboth are complementary IMHO21:30
bauzasbut let's not tease all our sessions :)21:30
alaskiheh21:31
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alaskiwhat I would like to nail down is cells vs aggregates vs azs, and how does the scheduler deal with them21:31
bauzasthat's a 3rd point :)21:31
alaskiand for someone to convince me that a cell is a host property21:31
bauzasI can provide beers21:31
alaskiI think we should have http://www.sortilegewhisky.com/en/the-original/21:32
* alaski has no clue if that's good, but it looks intriguing21:33
alaskianything else?21:33
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bauzasalaski: at least one beverage which is called a trick, nice21:33
belmoreiraalaski: nice way to close the meeting :)21:33
alaskibelmoreira: :)21:34
alaskisee you all next week(hopefully)!21:34
alaski#endmeeting21:34
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