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| david-lyle | anyone here for the horizon meeting? | 11:58 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 11:58 |
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| doug-fish | yep! | 11:59 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 11:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 11:59:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 11:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 11:59 |
| tsufiev | hi! | 11:59 |
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| robcresswell | Afternoon :) | 12:00 |
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| david-lyle | Alright, let's get rolling | 12:00 |
| david-lyle | I finalized the schedule for the summit next week | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | #topic summit | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:01 | |
| david-lyle | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/horizon#.VVM9PmTBzRY | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/horizon | 12:01 |
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| david-lyle | for more details with names #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I have merlin in a working session with curvatue | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | *curvature | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | 9:50 on Wed | 12:03 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, thanks, will be there :). I've got something to show | 12:03 |
| robcresswell | bradjones will be around to talk Curvature | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | excellent | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | The only problem with the etherpad approach is there are less clear owners | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | for the fishbowls, UX is Piet | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | Performance will have TravT and likely room for another | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | and I'll run the operator feedback session | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | I found out yesterday that projectors are not a standard part of the working session room setup, so we're attempting to track one down to use | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | any questions on the Horizon part of the design summit schedule? | 12:07 |
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| doug-fish | I see on thurs at 9:50 there are 2 Horizon sessions .... | 12:08 |
| bradjones | david-lyle: projectors would be very useful for demoing otherwise a lot of crowding round laptops :) | 12:08 |
| doug-fish | is that a mistake? | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: second one is designate | 12:08 |
| doug-fish | oh - it was _my_ mistake | 12:08 |
| doug-fish | got it | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | not sure why it's showing up as horizon | 12:08 |
| doug-fish | it looks like they intended it as a Horizon discussion | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | maybe because Horizon is in the subject | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | so we may need to send a couple people to their room too | 12:09 |
| doug-fish | I guess we can sort that out when the time comes | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: I would think so | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | The last scheduling issue for the summit was the sunday night social | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | although looking at the mailing list, it seems no organized party on Monday | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | so we could move it to Monday | 12:12 |
| doug-fish | I'd vote Sunday | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | or start on Sunday and see if we ever want to talk to each other again before committing to Monday :P | 12:12 |
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| doug-fish | lol | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Either works for me | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | let's stick with Sunday | 12:13 |
| * tsufiev will try to be there Sunday night if he won't fall asleep | 12:13 | |
| david-lyle | just need a meeting place | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | who's the social chair? | 12:13 |
| doug-fish | well I'm a big fan of the get together - but I'm a poor social chair | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | we just need a venue (bar) close to the conference center | 12:15 |
| tsufiev | oh, I see a mcdonalds near the convention center :) | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: -.- | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | put suggestions in the planning etherpad | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | and we'll pick later this week | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | then maybe send an email to the dev list | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | ok, enough summit for now. Looking forward to seeing everyone next week | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | #topic xstatic and licenses | 12:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "xstatic and licenses (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:17 | |
| david-lyle | so zigo has found another package that is not properly licensed | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | that makes 3 so far | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I need to check the docs and see if licensing is mentioned, but we need to be more careful | 12:18 |
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| robcresswell | Agreed. Is anyone addressing the licenses? | 12:18 |
| doug-fish | we don't really review the packages as part of our process do we? | 12:19 |
| doug-fish | I'm trying to think about when we should do that | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: zigo posted a patch and I just approved | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | will tag later today | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | Great, thanks | 12:20 |
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| david-lyle | I personally think it's a fault in the way requirements are reviewed | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | first crack at it is requirements core | 12:21 |
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| david-lyle | after that point it's just a bot proposal to horizon | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | I watch the requirements repo, but I don't catch all horizon related changes proposed | 12:22 |
| robcresswell | These seems to be a lot of confusion over xstatic though. It's pretty commonly asked in irc. | 12:22 |
| doug-fish | Maybe we take those bot proposals seriously? | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, IMO we got more chances to check the license when the xstatic package is being published | 12:22 |
| doug-fish | review the license, etc before accepting | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | or, before it's published | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: things is developers publish the repos first | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | before telling anyone | 12:22 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, just too many repos... | 12:23 |
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| robcresswell | Hmm, perhaps some kind of review checklist would be useful for xstatic, so we make sure the licenses are valid, amongst other things. | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | we'll talk a little about packaging at the summit, we should raise this issue again when we have more heads in the room | 12:23 |
| robcresswell | +! | 12:23 |
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| robcresswell | +1* | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | I think the biggest issue is awareness | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | so we can work on that | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 12:25 |
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| david-lyle | there wasn't anything added to the formal agenda, so we'll go free form | 12:25 |
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| robcresswell | I put up a first patch for some Angular docs; could use feedback. Not just what's wrong, but what else you'd like to see, especially those with very little familiarity with Angular. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182243/ | 12:27 |
| robcresswell | There is more content coming on tests and writing your own panels, too. | 12:27 |
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| robcresswell | But trying to get the ball rolling so we can move on from python-everything. | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: nice | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | thank you | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | a heads up, after today, there will likely be a bit of a tree cleanup in the angular related bode | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | *code | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | Tyr's patch right? | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | I saw it out in the wild somewhere | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176152/ | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | looks like it still needs a little work | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | according to Jenkins | 12:30 |
| robcresswell | Yep, will keep an eye out and change accordingly. | 12:30 |
| robcresswell | thanks | 12:30 |
| bradjones | robcresswell: more info on testing will be great, can talk to you offline about what testing info I would have found useful when I started writing the curvature jasmine tests | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | but I didn't see too much directory structure in your patch so may not mess you up much | 12:30 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: No, just a few bits and pieces as guidance. | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | bradjones: Sounds good! | 12:31 |
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| robcresswell | I'm more than happy for people to just say "write about X", and I'll go do some research, so feel free to add comments. | 12:31 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: The karma bit will be interesting as well once it's in | 12:32 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: Yeah, Richard mentioned that. Seems like the current patch needs some discussion regarding packaging etc too. | 12:34 |
| robcresswell | Still unclear on whether there is any acceptance of bower/ npm, even if its just for testing purposes. | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: yes, I think the patch is a good idea and a good developer tool, just need to discuss it a bit | 12:34 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, yet there are already npm-based jobs in jenkins up and running | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | a fully optional testing tool based on npm is ok | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | a required one is not | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Indeed, JSHint being one of them. | 12:35 |
| tsufiev | we used for testing Merlin the ones that krotscheck made for storyboard-webclient | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | and one that introduces another dependency scheme is worse | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: in merlin you have all the dependencies vendored into the source directory? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | javascript ones? | 12:36 |
| robcresswell | What about an optional one, that includes dependencies? I'm mainly thinking of including the package.json/ bower.json | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I'm not for a separate dependency mechanism | 12:36 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, good question :). I should inspect test logs to give you a definite answer, for now it 'just works' | 12:37 |
| mrunge | yes, yikes. that'll create a nightmare | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: it needs to be the same | 12:37 |
| robcresswell | In that case, Karma will need an xstatic package | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: karma is a tool, my issue is it was pulling in dependencies using bower rather than xstatic | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | which isn't a valid way to test anything | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | matt has resolved that part | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | so my hackles are down now | 12:38 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, should have phrased myself better. | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, okay, we have bower_components and node_modules dirs put inside merlin repo by jenkins job while it's being run | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: so you are running bower in the gate? | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | His patch still has a bower.json with listed dependencies, or does he have a newer patch offline? | 12:39 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: he's marked it WIP | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, not yet, but that's the plan proposed by krotscheck | 12:39 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: so how do you get the packages in bower_components? | 12:40 |
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| david-lyle | we can discuss later too | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: thoughts on karma as an optional testing tool? | 12:40 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, as long as we don't introduce another dependency chain | 12:41 |
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| mrunge | or another packaging tool.... | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | I wanted to make sure you had an opportunity to weigh in from the packaging perspective | 12:41 |
| mrunge | :D | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: ok that was my biggest concern too | 12:41 |
| mrunge | I haven't looked at building karma from source yet | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | trojan packaging tool additions get me up in arms | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I'm not putting the dependencies downloaded by bower into merlin repo, instead I had put just a list of dependencies and deployment instructions including 'node_modules/.bin/bower install' | 12:42 |
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| mrunge | tsufiev, have you asked zigo about using karma yet? | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, sorry, I was a bit incorrect | 12:42 |
| mrunge | he's the other person involved with packaging here | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, not yet | 12:43 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, you should! it might stop your plans immediately | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | there is a cross-project session on javascript | 12:43 |
| mrunge | oh, funny | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | http://sched.co/3D66 | 12:44 |
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| david-lyle | so we may have more clarity or more confusion after that :) | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, david-lyle: I hope that things clarify after this session, right now the test specs itself are most valuable part of testing machinery, how do we run them is second question | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: we use jasmine right now | 12:45 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, as we do | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | but that's through selenium | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | it could be much better | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | but the solution has to work for all parties not just developers | 12:45 |
| mrunge | "Modern JavaScript...." :D | 12:46 |
| tsufiev | yeah, I've considered using the Horizon's approach, but running pure JS tests via some python machinery looked hacky to me :-/ | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: oh it is | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | no question | 12:46 |
| tsufiev | and then storyboard-webclient came to our rescue :) | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | but it's the compromise we've landed on to work with operators and packagers | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | which is part of the equation that storyboard-webclient doesn't have to concern itself with | 12:47 |
| tsufiev | oh, I remember reading 120-letter thread about JS tooling | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | so unless we have wider consensus on a tool chain change, I'm not moving | 12:48 |
| tsufiev | okay, once merlin goes to horizon we would be happy to obey common rules, I believe it would be so hard to reuse horizon Jasmine runners | 12:48 |
| tsufiev | *it wouldn't be | 12:49 |
| mrunge | are you sure, merlin will move to horizon? | 12:49 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, that was the original plan | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | we may have an epiphany at the summit too | 12:49 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:49 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: we'll discuss at the summit, but IIUC merlin is a generalized toolkit which would make sense the base repo, Horizon | 12:50 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, sure | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | a common piece plugins could use | 12:50 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, yep, that's the main point | 12:50 |
| mrunge | I was just thinking of "core" and plugins and "ugly rest" | 12:50 |
| mrunge | or so | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | but that's why we have the session | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | and the plugin session | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | lots to talk about :D | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | any last thoughts anyone? | 12:53 |
| mrunge | who is preparing sessions? | 12:53 |
| mrunge | is that just you david-lyle ? | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit is the best guide | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | whoa | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | I listed the fishbowl owners above | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | for the working sessions, I think it can be more freeform | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | I can lead #1 | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | #2 is tsufiev and bradjones | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | #3 I can lead | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | #4 would be great if mrunge led :D | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | #5 a mix of lhcheng, doug-fish and david-lyle | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | #6 TravT and tqtran | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | #7 r1chardJ0n3s, sqchen and tqtran | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | #8 I can with many helping | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | if anyone wants to lead any of the oh crap it's dave sessions again, speak up | 12:57 |
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| tsufiev | :))) | 12:57 |
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| robcresswell | haha | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I'm hoping those are more roundtable | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I can moderate if need be | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I need to set up etherpads for the sessions too, i'll try to get those up today or tomorrow | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | unless someone beats me to it | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | ok, times up | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | see everyone next week, safe travels | 12:58 |
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| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 12:59:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-13-11.59.html | 12:59 |
| tsufiev | bye! | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-13-11.59.txt | 12:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-13-11.59.log.html | 12:59 |
| mrunge | thanks david-lyle , bye | 12:59 |
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| ajo | hi everybody, I need 1min, :) | 14:00 |
| vikram__ | hi ajo | 14:00 |
| ajo | moshele, matrohon , aveiga, are you around? | 14:01 |
| ajo | probably we're going to have a lot of missing people today | 14:01 |
| moshele | hi | 14:01 |
| ddepaoli | hi everybody, I'am Daniel from create-net | 14:01 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:01 |
| ddepaoli | we are interested in qos | 14:02 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ajo | hi :) welcome! ;) | 14:02 |
| ajo | ok, let's start | 14:02 |
| sadasu | Hello! | 14:02 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 14:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:02 |
| ajo | #topic specs | 14:03 |
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| ajo | Current shape of the spec: single api URI for rules, | 14:03 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/11/specs/liberty/qos-api-extension.rst | 14:03 |
| ajo | from the last change to now, I've moved it back to a single URI for rules | 14:03 |
| ajo | as the other approach seemed to complicate things | 14:04 |
| ajo | I wonder how a single URI end plays with micro versioning, we probably would have a better control over different URI ends | 14:04 |
| * mestery lurks | 14:05 | |
| ajo | see line 280 | 14:05 |
| ajo | hi mestery :) | 14:05 |
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| ajo | I haven't been able to do my homework and see if we have an easy way to map this to the cmdline client while keeping all rule type arguments in separate helps | 14:06 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, I'm sorry for dumb question, but what is 'multiple URI' alternative? | 14:06 |
| ajo | I'll make sure I've investigated it before the summit session | 14:06 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka, sure, 1 sec | 14:06 |
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| ajo | not a dumb question | 14:06 |
| ajo | right now, the current state proposes: | 14:06 |
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| ajo | POST /v2.0/qos-rules | 14:06 |
| ajo | while before we had | 14:06 |
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| ajo | POST /v2.0/qos-bandwidth-limiting-rules/ | 14:07 |
| ajo | for example | 14:07 |
| ajo | qos-<type>-rules/ | 14:07 |
| ajo | or.. | 14:07 |
| ajo | we could do | 14:07 |
| ajo | v2.0/qos-rules/bandwidth-limiting/ | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | ^ that sounds more feasible | 14:07 |
| ajo | the last one? | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | compared to qos-<type>-rules | 14:07 |
| ajo | yeah, probably | 14:08 |
| ihrachyshka | ah, ok, thanks. maybe the explanation belongs to Alternatives section of the spec. with rationale on why it's wrong. (I vote for aesthetics) | 14:08 |
| ajo | this way we will have finer grain control with micro versioning | 14:08 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka +1 | 14:08 |
| ajo | that makes sense | 14:08 |
| ajo | let's keep all the options in alternatives | 14:08 |
| ajo | any opinions about moving to /qos-rules/<type>/ ? | 14:08 |
| ajo | I guess that also matches with the "features" which are drafted over the microversioning API proposal | 14:09 |
| vhoward | +1 on v2.0/qos-rules/bandwidth-limiting/ | 14:09 |
| ajo | were plugins could opt-in to features | 14:09 |
| ajo | features could be specific rule types | 14:09 |
| ajo | ack | 14:09 |
| ihrachyshka | yeah, it should be easier to extend with multiple levels | 14:09 |
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| ajo | #action ajo change the rules URI to /v2.0/qos-rules/<rule-type> and keep all other options in the Alternatives section | 14:10 |
| ajo | ok | 14:10 |
| ajo | I posted another spec about the lowest level OVS bits: https://review.openstack.org//#/c/182349/ | 14:10 |
| ajo | thanks for the comments, if somebody didn't have a chance, please review | 14:11 |
| ajo | irenab wasn't able to join today | 14:11 |
| ajo | but she wanted to make a note about the datamodel changes we've done with armax suggestions | 14:11 |
| ajo | we changed from an open json blob for rule types & parameters | 14:12 |
| ajo | into something more tightly coupled to the data model | 14:12 |
| ajo | since we need to model each rule type as a table extending QoSRule | 14:12 |
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| ajo | she's worried about the flexibility of this approach if the development of the "QoS service" is done in a separate tree | 14:12 |
| sfinucan | hi - apologies for being late | 14:13 |
| ajo | she believes it's a point we may discuss over summit, so I guess we can keep a few minutes for it | 14:13 |
| ajo | hi sfinucan ! | 14:13 |
| ajo | a separate tree implementation, with an strict datamodel, would , currently require patches to the neutron server core to update the datamodel for every new rule type. | 14:14 |
| ajo | but I guess that could be addressed in the future if advanced services can bring their own data migrations | 14:14 |
| ajo | any thoughts about this? :) | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, don't they already? | 14:15 |
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| ajo | ihrachyshka, I'm unsure, could be | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | HenryG mentioned some adv-services specific alembic trees in email today in openstack-dev@ | 14:15 |
| matrohon | ajo : I also though they were | 14:15 |
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| matrohon | at least they are for vpnaas | 14:16 |
| ajo | hmmm thanks ihrachyshka , I will check for that email thread, if you can #link paste the link it'd be very handy | 14:16 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, I think it's ok to go with strict version now and see whether people cry too loud | 14:16 |
| ajo | matrohon, ihrachyshka ++ thanks, that's very valuable input | 14:16 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, looking | 14:16 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka I'm happier with the stricter datamodel | 14:16 |
| ajo | It leads to better user experience, and parameter standarization without bloating the business logic to check all the fields | 14:16 |
| ajo | fields=parameters | 14:17 |
| matrohon | however I d'ont know if there are still some foreign key between neutron and adv-service | 14:17 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064031.html | 14:17 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka thanks | 14:17 |
| ajo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064031.html | 14:17 |
| ajo | ok, I guess we can move on to the next topic | 14:17 |
| ajo | #topic ingress/egress bw limiting | 14:18 |
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| ajo | Finally with all the gathered info, I believe we should focus on egress as a priority, | 14:18 |
| ajo | since ovs is lacking ofmetering support yet | 14:18 |
| ajo | and the possible solutions are excessively twisted IMHO, and it's not an important use case (at least when I've discussed it) | 14:19 |
| ajo | I mean the possible solutions for ingress bw limiting | 14:19 |
| ajo | btw vikram__ I was able to check the ingress rate policy settings in ovs-vsctl, and those are actually VM egress (ingress from the switch POV) | 14:20 |
| ddepaoli | what are the solutions for egress rate? | 14:20 |
| ajo | ddepaoli, making a mirrored tap interface, and then filtering on that mirrored "tap" egress | 14:20 |
| vikram__ | ok.. Sorry I could not spend time for it. | 14:21 |
| ajo | vikram__, no worries | 14:21 |
| ajo | ddepaoli, openflow has support for it, OF1.3 , openflow metering rules, ... but that's not in openvswitch yet | 14:21 |
| sfinucan | ajo: the ingress rate limiting built into Nova (via libvirt driver) works like this | 14:22 |
| sfinucan | and it doesn't work with SRIOV, for this reason | 14:23 |
| ajo | yes, i know libvirt has support for qos, I believe gsagie pointed it out, | 14:23 |
| ajo | yes, it's very coupled to nova/qemu | 14:23 |
| ajo | IMO we can solve ingress at a later time, and focus in other issues which are probably more important | 14:24 |
| sfinucan | agreed | 14:24 |
| ajo | sfinucan, thanks for the input :) | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | Let's work on the API and framework - so that people can then independently work on their own qos types | 14:24 |
| ajo | sc68cal +1 | 14:25 |
| ihrachyshka | + | 14:25 |
| vikram__ | +1 | 14:25 |
| ajo | ok, anybody wants to raise any specific topic before we jump into QoS session planning ? | 14:25 |
| vikram__ | the qos wiki page is old .. i think we gonna update | 14:26 |
| ajo | vikram__, which one? | 14:26 |
| vikram__ | it's confusing | 14:26 |
| vikram__ | i sent you the link | 14:26 |
| ajo | yes, and probably we should get all the blueprints updated with the new design decissions | 14:26 |
| vikram__ | let me check | 14:26 |
| ajo | sc68cal is the owner of most of them :), I'll need your help sc68cal | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | ok | 14:27 |
| vikram__ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/QoS | 14:27 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:27 |
| sc68cal | what specifically do we need to update? | 14:28 |
| vikram__ | the content is old i feel | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | I think it's low priority at this point | 14:28 |
| vikram__ | New work link will be better | 14:29 |
| ajo | vikram__, I'd move all this to the meeting page if that sounds ok, or we can just link it and keep it updated | 14:29 |
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| ajo | sc68cal, yes, about the blueprints we will need to do it at a later time, renaming the "quantum-qos" to "neutron-qos" could be a nice thing :D | 14:29 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:29 |
| ajo | sc68cal, unless you want to show the world how much is this taking, which... could be fair | 14:30 |
| ajo | :) | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | ajo: read my mind ;) | 14:30 |
| vikram__ | Just an open item in my mind so pointed:) | 14:30 |
| ajo | sc68cal lol, you want to keep it | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | similar to the wiki, low priority to me - more interested in getting code complete | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | or forging consensus on the code | 14:31 |
| ajo | sc68cal, yep, but we need to link blueprints from code... at that point we can go and do a quick blueprint update | 14:31 |
| ajo | ok | 14:31 |
| ajo | let's plan the summit session! | 14:31 |
| ajo | let me first... | 14:32 |
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| ajo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/QoS | 14:32 |
| ajo | to remember we need to update it | 14:32 |
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| ajo | #topic QoS summit session planning | 14:32 |
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| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-qos | 14:32 |
| ajo | I come with a totally agenda I'd like to shape together with you | 14:33 |
| ajo | I guess, one important point, is presenting the current state of the API | 14:33 |
| ajo | to get feedback about how it looks, and how're we going to do it | 14:34 |
| vhoward | wonderful, def think that should be included | 14:34 |
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| ajo | the proposed work scope for this cycle | 14:34 |
| ajo | what we plan to do : bw limiting rules, basic admin control, etc... | 14:35 |
| ajo | and how could we extend that with RBAC when that's available | 14:35 |
| ajo | I'd leave a "looking into the future section" for the end, if we have time | 14:36 |
| ajo | also, a point of future needs for integration with nova scheduler (related to guarantees) | 14:37 |
| ajo | we haven't yet iterated about how to do the mid levels of the design | 14:38 |
| ajo | RPC & plugin integration | 14:38 |
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| ajo | so far to me a service could make sense (from the design separation POV), even if I don't believe this is an advanced service making use of ports | 14:38 |
| ajo | sc68cal, mestery , all, do you believe it's interesting to include a point about this ^ | 14:39 |
| ihrachyshka | also heat? | 14:39 |
| ajo | or we could end up on an endless discussion | 14:39 |
| ihrachyshka | sorry... wrong tab | 14:39 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka np, It made sense in the scheduling context, lol | 14:39 |
| sc68cal | hmm | 14:39 |
| ihrachyshka | the wind of change suggests it should be out by default. | 14:40 |
| mestery | ajo: It's possible, yes. | 14:40 |
| ajo | from summit to the QoS sprint, we have like 1.5months, all those points would need to be agreed before doing the QoS sprint, otherwise we'd probably just burning time | 14:40 |
| matrohon | ajo : +1 for adv-service, but it needs a stable callback mechanism | 14:41 |
| ajo | mestery, ihrachyshka , sc68cal , we also have the separate/core tree for the service, if we go "aaS" | 14:41 |
| matrohon | ajo : or we'll have to implement your own mechanism driver | 14:42 |
| ajo | matrohon, sure, the callback mechanism could still be enhanced, but is it unstable? | 14:42 |
| mestery | ajo: That's true, it's worth thinking about. I'm keen to hear this discussion out in Vancouver | 14:42 |
| * mestery is on an A319 which is about to land so he'll drop out soon | 14:42 | |
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| ajo | mestery have a safe landing! ;) | 14:43 |
| ajo | I love flights with wifi | 14:43 |
| matrohon | ajo : this interface is still new, and kwargs ar put into it, preventing the receiver to know exactly what is inside... | 14:43 |
| mestery | ajo: +1000! | 14:43 |
| ajo | matrohon, true, not an strong contract for arguments, | 14:43 |
| ajo | may be we need callback microversioning ;) | 14:44 |
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| matrohon | ajo : it needs an interface contract | 14:44 |
| matrohon | ajo : +1 | 14:44 |
| matrohon | :) | 14:44 |
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| ajo | ok: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-qos | 14:44 |
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| ajo | any other ideas which are worth discussing? | 14:45 |
| ajo | ah, I'm just remembering some feedback irenab provided about this | 14:45 |
| ajo | she wanted us to draft what would be the process of adding new rule types based on the current design | 14:46 |
| ajo | 1) add the datamodel (review here or there...) | 14:46 |
| ajo | 2) add the API URI handlers fro the rule... | 14:46 |
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| ajo | 3) add the backend support... | 14:47 |
| ajo | and any RPC changes | 14:47 |
| ajo | well, for RPC I believe we should make a design that needs no new RPC changes for every new rule type | 14:47 |
| ajo | ok :) | 14:48 |
| ajo | if there's no more feedback we can close the meeting earlier | 14:48 |
| ajo | feel free to comment on the etherpad anytime.. | 14:49 |
| vikram__ | what all driver support we will be eyeing for the first release? | 14:49 |
| ajo | vikram__, matrohon , sc68cal , ihrachyshka , sfinucan , matrohon , ddepaoli , vhoward , sadasu , | 14:50 |
| ajo | * | 14:50 |
| ajo | thanks a lot for joining | 14:50 |
| ajo | vikram__, what do you mean ? | 14:50 |
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| ajo | I signed up for ML2/OVS, and you did for ML2/LB, the minimum is the reference implementation | 14:51 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:51 |
| ajo | ahh, also matrohon for ML2/SRIOV | 14:51 |
| vikram__ | just want to confirm on this.. | 14:52 |
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| matrohon | ajo : I didn't :) | 14:52 |
| ajo | vikram__ +1 | 14:52 |
| vikram__ | :) | 14:52 |
| ajo | not you, sorry... hmmm | 14:52 |
| matrohon | moshele probably? | 14:52 |
| vikram__ | confusions around :) | 14:52 |
| ajo | moshele :) | 14:52 |
| sc68cal | as long as *an* implementation lands with the other code changes | 14:52 |
| ajo | the tab cheated me :) | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | the others can be developed at a different pace | 14:53 |
| ajo | correct, I'm not sure if we're generally obligated to go with the reference one... | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | yes, we are | 14:54 |
| ajo | anyway, we both signed up for ovs, so.. that will be there :D | 14:54 |
| ajo | ok :) | 14:54 |
| ajo | let's "endmeeting" | 14:54 |
| vikram__ | i will ensure | 14:54 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 14:54:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| vikram__ | lb:) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-13-14.02.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-13-14.02.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-13-14.02.log.html | 14:54 |
| ajo | vikram__ +1 | 14:55 |
| ajo | thanks vikram__ | 14:55 |
| vikram__ | bye | 14:55 |
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| ajo | thanks everybody, it was a pleasure, as usual :) | 14:55 |
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| slaweq | hello | 18:51 |
| slaweq | is there neutron fwaas meeting now maybe? | 18:51 |
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| sc68cal | slaweq: cancelled, there's a mail on the ML | 18:51 |
| slaweq | thx | 18:52 |
| slaweq | probably I missed this email | 18:52 |
| slaweq | sorry :) | 18:52 |
| sc68cal | slaweq: np | 18:52 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 21:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| alaski | Anyone here for the cells meeting? | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | damn | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | dansmith: heh | 21:01 |
| alaski | cool, let's get started | 21:01 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest testing | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:01 | |
| alaski | the cells job is in very good shape | 21:01 |
| alaski | http://goo.gl/b7R8wq | 21:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | there was a recent hiccup with a tempest change, but that has been addressed | 21:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
| alaski | I'm consistenly seeing tempest.api.compute.servers.test_list_servers_negative.ListServersNegativeTestJSON fail still | 21:02 |
| dansmith | that was tempest's fault anyway right? | 21:02 |
| alaski | yes | 21:02 |
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| bauzas | a negative test failing ? | 21:02 |
| alaski | the test fails infrequently, but seems to happen a couple of times a day | 21:02 |
| alaski | I just put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182772/ for it | 21:03 |
| alaski | though it may just address the trace, the actual test failure still needs some digging | 21:03 |
| alaski | I'm somewhat hopeful it will fix the test though :) | 21:03 |
| melwitt | what about the UnexpectedVMStateError traces? are they okay? | 21:03 |
| alaski | like http://logs.openstack.org/51/179951/12/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/9bfbc3d/logs/screen-n-cell-region.txt.gz?level=TRACE ? | 21:04 |
| melwitt | the thing that's hard about the cells job is that exceptions at the messaging level are swallowed, so even if it voted things could get past it I think | 21:04 |
| melwitt | alaski: yes | 21:04 |
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| alaski | I've had that tab open for a while and didn't know if it was still relevant | 21:05 |
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| alaski | melwitt: true, we can only really be sure about what tempest explicitly checks for | 21:06 |
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| melwitt | I bring it up because I was checking the logs for my now monstrous cells Instance object patch, and there were a lot of them. so I checked for other test runs and see it there too though not nearly as many as on my patch | 21:06 |
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| alaski | that's helpful to know | 21:07 |
| melwitt | alaski: what I mean is, in a non-cells environment exceptions like that would cause a tempest test failure but with cells, not necessarily | 21:07 |
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| melwitt | example being I had a problem in an earlier patch set of accessing a non existing attribute on a dict and it passed the tempest job | 21:08 |
| bauzas | melwitt: probably because most of the exceptions are swallowed like alaski said ? | 21:09 |
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| melwitt | and I think maybe it's just that we have to check the logs for traces when we're doing cells/messaging.py changes ourselves | 21:09 |
| alaski | melwitt: I see. Is the issue that tempest isn't looking at enough, or that cells is really bad at bubbling things up, or both? | 21:09 |
| melwitt | bauzas: yes, that's what I said | 21:09 |
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| alaski | do we still have the mechanism to fail a test on exceptions in certain logs? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | I dunno, but it's turned off for everything I think | 21:10 |
| dansmith | which sucks | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | IMHO | 21:10 |
| alaski | yeah | 21:10 |
| bauzas | agreed | 21:10 |
| melwitt | alaski: cells catches the exception and returns it to the caller, and the caller can decide what to do with that | 21:10 |
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| alaski | we should turn that on for cells if we can | 21:11 |
| dansmith | you could probably get it turned on for a non-voting thing | 21:11 |
| bauzas | could we maybe reraise the exceptions ? | 21:11 |
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| bauzas | and not just silently drop them ? | 21:11 |
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| alaski | melwitt: the caller is an rpc cast in most cases though. is that where it's dropped? | 21:11 |
| alaski | dansmith: agreed. definitely worth looking into getting it going again in some capacity | 21:12 |
| alaski | bauzas: I think the issue may be that exceptions that would normally happen in the compute api end up on the other side of an rpc cast | 21:13 |
| melwitt | alaski: maybe. I'm not sure if "cells messages" always have request/response or if they have a cast too | 21:14 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah that's my thought too hence the reraise | 21:14 |
| bauzas | oh, a cast, nvm | 21:14 |
| * bauzas is just tied | 21:14 | |
| alaski | melwitt: gotcha. the cells messages should have a response, but the loss if probably between the api and the parent cell service | 21:14 |
| bauzas | tired even | 21:14 |
| alaski | not between parent and cell | 21:14 |
| alaski | it sounds like checking logs, manually if necessary, but preferably via an automated thing is a good thing to do | 21:15 |
| alaski | #action alaski to look into options for failing on exceptions in cells logs | 21:16 |
| alaski | anything else on testing? | 21:16 |
| alaski | numbers are really good now, and we could almost get away with voting I think | 21:16 |
| alaski | but knocking out one/two more issues should get us there IMO | 21:17 |
| alaski | #topic Specs | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | oh | 21:17 |
| dansmith | god | 21:17 |
| dansmith | no | 21:17 |
| dansmith | not........SPECS | 21:17 |
| alaski | lol | 21:17 |
| alaski | so, there are specs | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I swear, alaski has more specs than should be allowed | 21:18 |
| bauzas | well, I just sucked in reviewing those | 21:18 |
| alaski | and there will be a quiz on them for entrance to the cells summit session | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I'll happily fail that then :) | 21:18 |
| bauzas | I still have a question tho | 21:18 |
| alaski | dansmith: hah, you get a mandatory exception | 21:18 |
| dansmith | fsck. | 21:18 |
| alaski | bauzas: sure | 21:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/ | 21:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: before commenting it, could you please refresh my mind why it would need a separate object ? | 21:19 |
| alaski | separate from request_spec? | 21:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: yup for persisting | 21:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: I understand we need to carry a relationship w/ the instance | 21:20 |
| alaski | because there are things that we need to store that don't relate to the reqspecs purpose | 21:20 |
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| bauzas | alaski: your spec was mentioning that, but do you have examples ? | 21:20 |
| alaski | it's in the spec but availability_zone, power_state, task_state, uuid, key_name, metadata, | 21:21 |
| alaski | security_groups, etc... | 21:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: oh right | 21:21 |
| alaski | some of those things aren't actually necessary, like power/task state, but uuid and metadata are | 21:21 |
| bauzas | mmm ok, I have my answers, I'll comment out the spec then | 21:22 |
| alaski | cool | 21:22 |
| bauzas | (well, in the plane) | 21:22 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/141486 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182715/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136490/ (for posterity) | 21:23 |
| alaski | probably a couple more to come, to dansmiths chagrin | 21:23 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:24 |
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| alaski | but my goal is to get everyone on the same/similar page during the summit, so the specs can be easy reads/reviews | 21:24 |
| alaski | anyone want to talk more about specs? | 21:25 |
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| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:25 |
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| alaski | I have one thing to mention | 21:26 |
| alaski | we should skip next weeks meeting | 21:26 |
| alaski | but also I'm out the following week | 21:26 |
| alaski | if someone wants to run the meeting please speak up, otherwise we can skip that week as well | 21:26 |
| dansmith | +1 for skip | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I will be gone too | 21:27 |
| bauzas | yeah we need vacations :;) | 21:27 |
| alaski | sounds good | 21:27 |
| alaski | anyone have a topic to bring up? | 21:27 |
| bauzas | well, just to mention we can review the etherpads for the summit | 21:28 |
| alaski | ahh, good point | 21:29 |
| alaski | there is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-cells-v2 | 21:29 |
| alaski | and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-scalling-out-scheduler-for-cells | 21:29 |
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| alaski | both of which I should edit a little bit it looks like | 21:29 |
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| bauzas | alaski: fair point, I also need to do that for the latter | 21:29 |
| bauzas | alaski: there are 2 points, one for providing incremental updates and one for having a shared state | 21:30 |
| bauzas | both are complementary IMHO | 21:30 |
| bauzas | but let's not tease all our sessions :) | 21:30 |
| alaski | heh | 21:31 |
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| alaski | what I would like to nail down is cells vs aggregates vs azs, and how does the scheduler deal with them | 21:31 |
| bauzas | that's a 3rd point :) | 21:31 |
| alaski | and for someone to convince me that a cell is a host property | 21:31 |
| bauzas | I can provide beers | 21:31 |
| alaski | I think we should have http://www.sortilegewhisky.com/en/the-original/ | 21:32 |
| * alaski has no clue if that's good, but it looks intriguing | 21:33 | |
| alaski | anything else? | 21:33 |
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| bauzas | alaski: at least one beverage which is called a trick, nice | 21:33 |
| belmoreira | alaski: nice way to close the meeting :) | 21:33 |
| alaski | belmoreira: :) | 21:34 |
| alaski | see you all next week(hopefully)! | 21:34 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 21:34:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-13-21.00.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-13-21.00.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-13-21.00.log.html | 21:34 |
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| elmiko | hey all | 23:58 |
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