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| devananda | o/ | 04:59 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 05:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 12 05:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:00 |
| devananda | good evening/morning/afternoon! | 05:00 |
| pshige | o/ | 05:00 |
| mrda | o/ | 05:00 |
| Haomeng | o/ | 05:01 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda is posted on the wiki, here | 05:01 |
| kan | o/ | 05:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 05:01 |
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| naohirot | o/ | 05:01 |
| Nisha | o/ | 05:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:01 | |
| jlvillal | o/ | 05:01 |
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| devananda | hm... seems like folks are still trickling in. I'll give it another minute | 05:02 |
| devananda | presumably, everyone is gearing up for the summit next week | 05:03 |
| jlvillal | +1 | 05:03 |
| rameshg87 | +1 | 05:03 |
| mrda | There's a summit next week?!? | 05:03 |
| mrda | :-P | 05:03 |
| devananda | in light of that, BadCub is trying to arrange a dinner and has asked folks to respond on the summit etherpad | 05:03 |
| devananda | mrda: :P | 05:03 |
| jlvillal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 05:04 |
| devananda | if you'll be there and think you might want to attend an ironic team dinner, please see "IRONC DINNER" section of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 05:04 |
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| devananda | also, though I didn't put it on the agenda as it just came up today | 05:05 |
| Haomeng | devananda: I will not attend next summit | 05:05 |
| devananda | the discussion of our meeting times was raised this morning (well, my morning) | 05:05 |
| devananda | so I started a poll and would like to get everyone's responses | 05:05 |
| pshige | devananda; will you attend the dinner? | 05:05 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/063818.html | 05:05 |
| devananda | #link http://goo.gl/forms/nvbWdOZMFY | 05:05 |
| devananda | pshige: depending on when it is -- I'll certainly try. | 05:06 |
| devananda | that's it for my announcements (we'll talk about summit specifics in a bit) | 05:06 |
| pshige | monday evening? | 05:06 |
| * mrda has already responded to the meetings discussion | 05:06 | |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 05:06 |
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| devananda | I do not see any updates on the subteam status report section of the etherpad | 05:07 |
| naohirot | devananda: I updated iRMC status | 05:07 |
| devananda | giving a few minutes if anyone here has updates ... otherwise, I'm happy to skip this | 05:07 |
| naohirot | devananda: please find it | 05:07 |
| devananda | naohirot: oh! how did I miss that | 05:07 |
| naohirot | devananda: :) | 05:08 |
| devananda | #info iRMC vmedia deploy driver status: code is up for review | 05:08 |
| naohirot | devananda: I won't attend to vancuver, so please check if iRMC direction is okay or not | 05:08 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: regarding ilo driver 3rd party ci, we are almost done with all hp-internal stuffs for enabling it (need to complete it before enabling it) | 05:09 |
| devananda | naohirot: if you have links to the review(s), please put them on the etherpad. | 05:09 |
| naohirot | devananda: sure! | 05:09 |
| rameshg87 | but still some minor things left so likely will complete it before summit | 05:09 |
| devananda | naohirot: easy way to do that is to make sure all the reviews have the same "topic" and then post a link to that search | 05:09 |
| devananda | rameshg87: fantastic | 05:09 |
| devananda | #info iLO 3rd party CI making good progress and might be done by the summit | 05:10 |
| naohirot | devananda: okay, I try to device gerrit search URL somehow | 05:10 |
| devananda | lintan: oh - since you're here, I tested the AMT driver today and found a bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1454018 | 05:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1454018 in Ironic "AMT driver fails on set-boot-device" [Medium,Triaged] | 05:10 |
| devananda | going to do the next section out of order | 05:11 |
| devananda | #topic Nova virt driver for Ironic | 05:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova virt driver for Ironic (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:12 | |
| devananda | mikal raised an email last week re: how many open bugs we have in the nova.virt.ironic driver | 05:12 |
| lintan | OK, I will have a look at it | 05:12 |
| devananda | and yea, i think we haven't been paying enough attention to it | 05:12 |
| mrda | So I know that jlvillal has volunteered to look after this, but I'm also willing to keep an eye on it. | 05:13 |
| devananda | jlvillal seems to have volunteered to be our liaison for it -- | 05:13 |
| jlvillal | I will be attending the Nova meeting on Thursday. | 05:13 |
| devananda | mrda: awesome, and yea, you have some experience in that code already ;) | 05:13 |
| mrda | since mikal will bug me, and since I go the original code merged | 05:13 |
| mrda | yeah | 05:13 |
| devananda | thank you both | 05:13 |
| jlvillal | mrda, More help sounds good to me | 05:13 |
| mrda | So I might attend the alt meeting jlvillal, if you want to take the main one | 05:14 |
| mrda | then we cover all the meetings \o/ | 05:14 |
| devananda | please don't hesitate to poke me about things. A lot of that is originally my code, too, and some of the bugs are actually pretty serious (and old) | 05:14 |
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| devananda | *about the nova virt driver things | 05:14 |
| mrda | devananda: no worries there | 05:14 |
| jlvillal | mrda, Okay on meetings. I will try to attend both. | 05:14 |
| mrda | we will bug you :P | 05:14 |
| devananda | #info jlvillal and mrda volunteered to tag-team the nova meetings so we'll have better coverage of nova bugs moving forward | 05:15 |
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| devananda | any other comments/question on that before moving on? | 05:15 |
| jlvillal | I am also hoping that having a better relationship will help us get code merged in faster. | 05:15 |
| devananda | jlvillal: ++ | 05:15 |
| jlvillal | We sometimes seem to have difficulty getting reviews when we do post patches. | 05:16 |
| devananda | something for us to work on improving, indeed | 05:16 |
| devananda | #topic stable branch of python-ironicclient | 05:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch of python-ironicclient (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:17 | |
| devananda | rloo posted this question, but she's not here | 05:17 |
| devananda | she's asked me about the patches which have been posted to stable/kilo of python-ironicclient and this is what I've previously explained | 05:18 |
| devananda | but it's good to put it in a meeting | 05:18 |
| devananda | #info The purpose of the stable/kilo branch on the client is to lock down dependencies for CI testing of the stable/kilo branch of the server - not limit functionality. It's not a separate release that we expect users to consume. | 05:18 |
| devananda | I'm happy to discuss now if it's not already clear to folks :) | 05:19 |
| devananda | ... ok, moving on | 05:20 |
| devananda | #topic summit planning | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit planning (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:20 | |
| rameshg87 | devananda: so in simple words, we won't backport things to stable/* branch, right ? | 05:20 |
| devananda | #undo | 05:20 |
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| devananda | rameshg87: for the client - that is my understanding, yes | 05:20 |
| rameshg87 | okay | 05:20 |
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| devananda | #topic summit planning | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit planning (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:20 | |
| devananda | two big things to call out | 05:21 |
| devananda | #info Neutron is having a session on ML2 extension for bare metal -- specifically for ML2 extension authors | 05:21 |
| devananda | #info Ironic is *also* having a session on ML2 extensions, but more specifically for the ironic<->neutron<->nova integration | 05:22 |
| mrda | do you have the titles handy? | 05:22 |
| devananda | there really wont be titles | 05:22 |
| pshige | oh | 05:22 |
| devananda | working sessions will all have a single title: "$project: work session" | 05:23 |
| * naohirot rloo is lady, I didn't know that :) | 05:23 | |
| mrda | devananda: do you know when neutron will discuss this | 05:24 |
| mrda | ? | 05:24 |
| devananda | Wednesday May 20, 2015 4:30pm - 5:10pm | 05:24 |
| devananda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-ironic | 05:24 |
| mrda | cool, thnx | 05:24 |
| * rameshg87 wonders what YVR stands for | 05:25 | |
| mrda | Vancouver airport | 05:25 |
| devananda | rameshg87: that's the airport code for Vancouver :) | 05:25 |
| rameshg87 | oh :) | 05:25 |
| devananda | also, cinder is having a discussion about our integration there -- Wednesday, May 20 • 5:20pm - 6:00pm | 05:25 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: anything about better horizon integration ? | 05:26 |
| devananda | we haven't gotten a track with Nova to discuss the virt driver, or (lack of) HA Nova compute | 05:26 |
| devananda | so as it stands now, we'll be hosting that | 05:26 |
| devananda | rameshg87: nothing afaik -- however, krotscheck has been working on some JS UI work for us which he might be able to show | 05:26 |
| pshige | we should all go to that session > neutron,cinder | 05:27 |
| rameshg87 | and JoshNang too i saw somewhere | 05:27 |
| devananda | take a look at the top of the summit pad -- there are links to each of the individual session pads | 05:28 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 05:28 |
| devananda | though not all of them have content yet, they will soon | 05:28 |
| Haomeng | rameshg87: yes, it is better that horizon add ironic plugin for us | 05:28 |
| Haomeng | rameshg87: there is existing hourizon ironic plugin path, but for long time, no progress | 05:29 |
| rameshg87 | Haomeng: yeah, it has been missing | 05:29 |
| Haomeng | rameshg87: yes | 05:29 |
| * rameshg87 has 1 item for open discussion | 05:30 | |
| devananda | I'm happy to move on to open discussion at this point | 05:31 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:31 | |
| devananda | we can certainly continue talking about the summit, too | 05:31 |
| rameshg87 | i raised a review for adding ilo drivers support in lib/ironic of devstack | 05:31 |
| rameshg87 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174733/ | 05:31 |
| rameshg87 | however i got a comment saying hardware-specific stuffs should be out of devstack tree | 05:31 |
| rameshg87 | isn't it reasonable to have upstream driver stuffs in lib/ironic of devstack ? | 05:32 |
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| devananda | hm, not really. that would make devstack unmanageably large and hard to maintain | 05:32 |
| devananda | rameshg87: devstack supports loading plugins from other repositories | 05:33 |
| devananda | have you looked at how have other services (eg, cinder, neutron) have done this? | 05:33 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: ah no. | 05:33 |
| * rameshg87 notes to take a look at it | 05:34 | |
| rameshg87 | but devananda major part of code can be reused in this way | 05:34 |
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| rameshg87 | devananda: the bulk of changes in lib/ironic in my review are 1) to create distro-images for deployment from diskimage-builder (cirros might not work on real hardware) | 05:35 |
| rameshg87 | 2) to create deploy iso (which will re-usable for drivers like irmc) | 05:35 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: the only ilo specific thing in there is how we enroll the node (-d <ilo driver -i ilo_address.....) | 05:35 |
| devananda | rameshg87: refactoring it so that the common parts for enabling hardware testing are preserved and isolated would be helpful | 05:36 |
| naohirot | rameshg87: yes, it's reusable | 05:36 |
| devananda | rameshg87: I think we should also make the hardware-specific bits pluggable or able to read ENV vars | 05:37 |
| devananda | so that the jenkins job can pass in the right info for each test environment | 05:37 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: okay | 05:37 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: so refactor out the hardware-specific bits | 05:37 |
| devananda | that way, the code in devstack is generic and consistent, and the variations are only in the test job configuratoin | 05:38 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: and keep the rest in devstack (like actual distro-image creation and stuffs), right ? | 05:38 |
| devananda | yup! | 05:38 |
| rameshg87 | okay..will go in that path | 05:38 |
| jlvillal | Can we assume next week's meeting will be canceled due to the summit? | 05:38 |
| mrda | jlvillal: yes | 05:38 |
| * mrda taking over again | 05:39 | |
| jlvillal | mrda, Thanks | 05:39 |
| devananda | mrda: :) | 05:39 |
| lintan | hi devananda, | 05:39 |
| rameshg87 | and last time the meeting after summit was cancelled too | 05:39 |
| devananda | rameshg87: also, do you have docs on how to use devstack w/ real hardware? | 05:39 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: no i don't have | 05:40 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: may be i can put forward a documentation on ipmi with real image bits | 05:40 |
| lintan | I check the bug and it looks like because of the version of pywsman, the minimal one is 2.4.10 | 05:40 |
| devananda | rameshg87: hm, ok. seems like an area of code you are close to -- perhaps you could find some time to doc it :) | 05:40 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: sure | 05:40 |
| * rameshg87 notes as action item | 05:41 | |
| devananda | rameshg87: thanks! | 05:41 |
| devananda | lintan: oh, interesting. please respond on the bug ,and I'll try to reproduce later | 05:41 |
| * rameshg87 wonders if we should poke 3rd party driver libraries to support python 3 | 05:42 | |
| mrda | rameshg87: +1 :-) | 05:43 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: debian folks filed a bug on proliantutils to support python 3. may be we should ping third party maintainers to consider this. | 05:43 |
| lintan | devananda,sure I will | 05:43 |
| naohirot | rameshg87: I tested scciclient with py34 and worked Okay. | 05:43 |
| rameshg87 | we just fixed python 3 stuffs for proliantutils and enabled a gate job :) | 05:44 |
| rameshg87 | naohirot: oh great :) | 05:44 |
| devananda | #info third party libraries should begin gating on py34 support soon, now that the server support for py34 is complete | 05:44 |
| pshige | I also have an item for open discussion. | 05:45 |
| devananda | pshige: it's open :) | 05:46 |
| pshige | Ironic documentation integrated with OpenStack manuals needs a volunteer to liason with Docs folks | 05:46 |
| devananda | pshige: no need to ask if you can ask | 05:46 |
| pshige | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 05:46 |
| devananda | pshige: !! yes we do :) | 05:46 |
| pshige | Docs is important for me so I will do if nobody is willing. | 05:46 |
| pshige | Will it be decided at the summit meetup? | 05:46 |
| devananda | pshige: not much of a decision to make. no one else has volunteered | 05:47 |
| devananda | pshige: do you have familiarity with openstack-docs project and tools? | 05:47 |
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| pshige | a little | 05:47 |
| pshige | but I would like to try | 05:48 |
| devananda | pshige, jlvillal - also, fwiw, generally speaking cross-project liaisons are drawn from the core review team, based on the understanding that they are more involved in the project and have some amount of history within it | 05:48 |
| jlvillal | devananda, Ah I didn't know that. I had asked on the IRC channel about volunteering and didn't hear any objections or anyone else wanting to volunteer at the time. So I volunteered... | 05:49 |
| devananda | that said, I'm happy that you both volunteered - and happy to help facilitate both of your efforts | 05:50 |
| jlvillal | Thank you :) | 05:50 |
| devananda | rather have eager people working on things that interest them than no one at all :) | 05:50 |
| devananda | and I'm sure you'll get to know everyone quickly enough ;) | 05:50 |
| pshige | Thank you | 05:50 |
| devananda | anyone have anything else, or shall we wrap up a little early? | 05:52 |
| devananda | ok then! thanks everyone! | 05:53 |
| mrda | thanks devananda | 05:53 |
| devananda | see (most of) you at the summit! | 05:53 |
| jlvillal | Thanks and ciao! | 05:53 |
| Haomeng | thanks devananda | 05:53 |
| pshige | thanks! | 05:53 |
| rameshg87 | good day/good night everyone | 05:53 |
| Haomeng | ood day/good night everyone:) | 05:53 |
| naohirot | good night | 05:53 |
| kan | thanks devananda | 05:53 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 05:53 |
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| mhanif | Hello | 15:02 |
| mhanif | Are we have a meeting today for VPNaaS? | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | mhanif : you're too early I think :) | 15:21 |
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| pc_m | hi | 16:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:00 |
| sridhar_ram | hi | 16:00 |
| xgerman | hi | 16:00 |
| anilvenkata | hi | 16:00 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 16:00 |
| pc_m | will give a few mins for people to join | 16:01 |
| Aish | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hareeshp | Hi | 16:02 |
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| pc_m | OK. let's get started... | 16:03 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 12 16:03:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 16:03 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:03 | |
| pc_m | During the summit, we should try to all (those attending of course) get together during the Friday sessions | 16:04 |
| pc_m | Agenda for today is to discuss DM VPN, bugs/reviews, and multiple local subnets. | 16:05 |
| pc_m | Any other important announcements? | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: qq .. any particular slot within Friday ? | 16:05 |
| matrohon | an initial implementation for BGPVPN is available | 16:05 |
| matrohon | with the Bagpipe BGP speaker | 16:06 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: I think there is a block of time for people to break out into groups, so we can probably just try to hook up. | 16:06 |
| pc_m | matrohon: cool! | 16:06 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: Is there a wiki page for BGP VPN with links to the spec, stackforge repo, etc? | 16:06 |
| matrohon | sridhar_ram, pc_m : I picked one slot to discuss about BGPVPN | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | pc_m is there a vpn IRC channel we could use at the summit to communicate? | 16:07 |
| matrohon | pc_m : no.... only readme in the code :) | 16:07 |
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| pc_m | ajmiller: No specific VPN IRC, but we can use Neutron IRC. | 16:07 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : I'll try to register a dedicated wiki page for BGPVPN | 16:08 |
| ajmiller | pc_m, cool. | 16:08 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Could you add some links to a page? | 16:08 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Yeah, people ask and then I have a hard time finding specs on BGP VPN. Would be nice to have a page and link from VPN page. | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: matrohon: it will be better to pick a specific slot for general VPN (perhaps broaden the scope of BGPVPN slot) and shoot to congregate | 16:08 |
| pc_m | #action matrohon to create BGP VPN wiki page with info. | 16:09 |
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| matrohon | best links I have for the moment : https://github.com/stackforge/networking-bgpvpn | 16:09 |
| matrohon | https://github.com/stackforge/networking-bgpvpn/blob/master/README-bagpipe.rst | 16:10 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Do you know if there are slots on Friday? | 16:10 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: nice, that and BP spec, and stackforge link would be good, | 16:10 |
| hareeshp | Is friday the only possible day? I was wondering if it is possible to have it earlier | 16:10 |
| matrohon | and of course the spec under review in neutron : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177740/ | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: not sure | 16:11 |
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| pc_m | hareeshp: There are specific sessions allocated each day to specific topics. No chance of adding anything now. | 16:11 |
| pc_m | Friday is going to be like Paris, where people just break into groups of interest at tables and discuss. | 16:12 |
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| matrohon | sridhar_ram : make sense to have a more general session about VPNs on friday | 16:12 |
| hareeshp | pc_m: ok, thanks | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | matrohon: great.. can you share the details / time slot ? | 16:13 |
| matrohon | pc_m : at Paris we already had session followed by every one on friday led by ijw | 16:13 |
| hareeshp | pc_m: I was thinking may be having an informal one around one of the breaks, rather than waiting for the last day | 16:13 |
| pc_m | we can also put something on the VPN meeting page w.r.t. time/place we want to get together. | 16:13 |
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| matrohon | it was on friday afternoon, but unfortunatelly nothing came up from this session | 16:14 |
| xgerman | or we can aim for a breakfast meeting or something like that | 16:14 |
| pc_m | hareeshp: may be possible depending on peoples' schedule. | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: +1, how about for an early afternoon meeting ? | 16:15 |
| pc_m | matrohon: There were groups broken out on Friday for L3, adv. svcs, etc. I think we can just self organize at a table. | 16:15 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Before Friday? | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | I meant on Friday | 16:15 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: I don't have the schedule handy so I don't know Friday's details. | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | okay .. so current plan is to hang out in the neutron area and breakout for VPNaaS. | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: if you happen find a granular time .. let us know | 16:17 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: OK. Will try to get ahold of schedule and post on our meeting page, some time choices... | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: sounds good | 16:18 |
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| ajmiller | pc_m This review needs +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182370/ | 16:18 |
| ajmiller | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182370/ | 16:18 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m Identify timeslots/place friday for VPN team to meet. | 16:19 |
| pc_m | ajmiller: hang on will get there... | 16:19 |
| ajmiller | ok | 16:19 |
| pc_m | Done with announcements? | 16:19 |
| pc_m | #topic bugs/reviews | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs/reviews (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:19 | |
| ajmiller | Sorry for getting ahead of myself ;) | 16:20 |
| pc_m | Please look at the list of bugs for any you can take ownership of... https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.searchtext=vpnaas&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter | 16:20 |
| pc_m | =&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=&orderby=status&start=0 | 16:20 |
| matrohon | sorry I can't find the etherpad dedicated to friday working group :( | 16:20 |
| pc_m | Trying again: https://goo.gl/XNtnLX | 16:20 |
| pc_m | Also, look at the open reviews and please help out: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z | 16:21 |
| pc_m | For me, I can use reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168115 | 16:21 |
| pc_m | Also, Nikolav has the scenario test out #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159746 | 16:22 |
| pc_m | ajmiller: thanks for the tox coverage fix. We'll review. Since it doesn't have a bug with a tag of vpnaas, just feel free to add people as reviewers (otherwise we won't see it) | 16:23 |
| xgerman | So we can’t just tell you here ;-) | 16:23 |
| ajmiller | pc_m ok | 16:23 |
| pc_m | xgerman: yeah :) | 16:23 |
| matrohon | pc_m, sridhar_ram : I finally found the etherpad for friday sessions : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-contributor-meetup | 16:24 |
| pc_m | I know it is painful as there are limited cores to review | 16:24 |
| pc_m | matrohon: thanks. | 16:24 |
| pc_m | matrohon: IIRC last time, they broke out into groups with people at tables, based on interest. | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | matrohon: thanks, there is also this kitchen sink etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 16:25 |
| xgerman | well, in LBaaS case suddenly our name came up and w had to go to the main table | 16:25 |
| matrohon | pc_m : taht what happened on friday mornig at paris | 16:25 |
| xgerman | Friday is a big hectic so if we can meet any other day might be better | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | I see there are some VPN topics in that etherpad as well | 16:26 |
| pc_m | FYI, marun fixed a problem with tests not getting run. However, there is breakage in the tests right now. Another change in Neutron for forbidding contextlib.nested usage. I'm trying to get a fix in today for that. | 16:26 |
| pc_m | xgerman: I'm open to suggestions... | 16:26 |
| pc_m | Any other bugs of interest we need to discuss here | 16:27 |
| xgerman | breakfast might be good — or we can meet during lunch... | 16:27 |
| * pc_m time check 1/2 way | 16:27 | |
| xgerman | also there is often sessions we can skip and just grab a table somewhere | 16:28 |
| xgerman | but we should announce whatever time we choose on the ML | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | xgerman: i still believe we shd meet on friday where most of the neutron heads swarming.. perhaps we will entice more folks in the room to join this sub-team ;-) | 16:29 |
| pc_m | xgerman: Let's push this to Open Discussion, as we still have big items to cover, and can always discuss on ML later | 16:29 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: agree, will hold back ;-) | 16:30 |
| pc_m | Any other important bugs? | 16:30 |
| pc_m | ok. moving along... | 16:30 |
| pc_m | #topic DM VPN | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DM VPN (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:30 | |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: all yours... | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | few pointers first.. | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | the spec for DMVPN is available at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181563 | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | a wiki page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VPNaaS/DMVPN | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | the basic premise: when there are multiple sites to connect .. site-to-site goes too complex to setup and operate | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | hence a multipoint VPN that comes up dyanmically | 16:33 |
| matrohon | make sense | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | it uses a Hub and Spoke model where every remote site connects to Hub | 16:34 |
| pc_m | Please look at the BP spec and comment, so sridhar_ram can address your questions. | 16:34 |
| matrohon | in your description you say : facilitates automatic spoke-to-spoke connection that comes up dynamically | 16:34 |
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| matrohon | does it mean that you can get rid of the hub? | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | matrohon: no. Hub acts as a central "registrar" of sort | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | it is the one the share the public endpoints of spokes to have them connect between them directly | 16:35 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: so once spoke is created, it communicates with hub. How does it know another spoke wants to form a connection? | 16:35 |
| hareeshp | or in other words the traffic does not need to flow through the hub, right? | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: NHRP protocol will share the neighbor information | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | hareeshp: Exactly | 16:37 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: it may be good to describe a use case/scenario of the interaction for say a spoke to hub and then spoke to spoke connection establishment. | 16:37 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Ladder diagram or something... | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | hareeshp: there is a mode of operation where traffic could flow through the Hub .. direct spoke to spoke connection make more sense | 16:38 |
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| matrohon | does a dynamic learning framework is mandatory for DMVPN? | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: yes sure, this is something i plan to add to the spec | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | matrohon: yes, that is the main value / premise of the DMVPN | 16:39 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: thanks. would be good to have an example of what steps happen for some of the scenarios. | 16:39 |
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| matrohon | sridhar_ram : I feel like depending on the bgp implementtion in neutron will slow down your implementation | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | matrohon: currently i'm not calling out a dependency on BGP for exactly the same reason :) | 16:40 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: :) | 16:40 |
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| matrohon | sridhar_ram : do you already have some proof of concept? | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | yes, we have a small PoC working using mGRE | 16:41 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: nice | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | plan is to give a try with ipsec | 16:42 |
| hareeshp | sridhar_ram: cool | 16:42 |
| matrohon | sridhar_ram : great! what bgp speaker are you using? :) | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | No bgp yet. For now we are just punching in static router to avoid BGP dependency. | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | However I was thinking of using bird for the bgp needs! | 16:43 |
| hareeshp | sridhar_ram: Are you dependent on something else to land in neutron for this? | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | s/static router/static routes/ | 16:44 |
| matrohon | sridhar_ram : fine! bagpipe is based on exabgp, it's in python :) | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | the main component in opennhrp ... the opensource implementation of NHRP protocol | 16:44 |
| hareeshp | sridhar_ram: or is it merely the API extention alone? | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | The critical component, IMO, to land this on neutron is to find the main distros to package OpenNHRP | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | it is currently available in sourceforge (yeah!) | 16:46 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Or you may need to caveat it and say it is supported by distro a,b,c only | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | not sure about the precedent of having to pull in a dependency outside like sourceforge | 16:47 |
| pc_m | Any other questions for sridhar_ram since we have him on the hot seat? :) | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: sure, will caveat that in the spec | 16:47 |
| * pc_m we've got about 10 mins left and one more topic | 16:47 | |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: thats it from me | 16:47 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: thanks! | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | looking for folks to participate and help out! | 16:48 |
| pc_m | yes, anyone interested, let sridhar_ram know! | 16:48 |
| pc_m | #topic Multiple local subnets | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple local subnets (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:48 | |
| pc_m | This was talked about a while back, of having more than one local private subnet in a VPN connection. | 16:49 |
| pc_m | The three main questions are: | 16:49 |
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| pc_m | 1) Does openswan, libreswan, and strongswan support this? | 16:49 |
| pc_m | 2) Does the IP version of each subnet need to be the same? | 16:49 |
| pc_m | 3) Does it make sense to extend the VPNaaS implementation to support multiple local subnets? | 16:50 |
| pc_m | I think anilvenkata has done some investigating... anilvenkata? | 16:50 |
| anilvenkata | thanks pc_m | 16:50 |
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| anilvenkata | my observtions | 16:51 |
| anilvenkata | openswan/libreswan supports multiple local CIDR in single connection. | 16:51 |
| anilvenkata | strongswan supports the same for IKEv2. Strongswan uses Cisco Unity extension plugin to support this with IKEv1 | 16:51 |
| anilvenkata | for details http://paste.openstack.org/show/220855/ | 16:51 |
| anilvenkata | these are all observations for question 1 i.e Does openswan, libreswan, and strongswan support this? | 16:51 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: Do you know the implications of the unity extension? Is it available in the standard strongswan package? | 16:52 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: Or is it something additional needed? | 16:52 |
| * pc_m not sure what it is... | 16:52 | |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: no I didn't look into it | 16:52 |
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| pc_m | anilvenkata: Just curious | 16:53 |
| xgerman | also curious | 16:53 |
| anilvenkata | i will look into it | 16:53 |
| anilvenkata | if that is not possible for IKEv1, then can we have diffent connection for another subnet? | 16:54 |
| pc_m | #action anilvenkata to look into implications of Cisco Unity extension plugin for IKEv1 strongswan | 16:54 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: Well, that's what we have today, AFAIK. | 16:54 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m, I still doubt current implementation supports multiple local subnets | 16:55 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: I guess that was the intent, was to create multiple connections , one for each subnet. Do you think that may not work? | 16:56 |
| anilvenkata | how can this be done with existing api? | 16:56 |
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| anilvenkata | In existing api, subnet can be provided at only one place i.e vpn-service-create, which accepts only one subnet | 16:57 |
| matrohon | having ikev2 mandatory for this feature is not acceptable? | 16:57 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: Ah, good point... may be an issue | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | folks - is there a spec planned for this effort ? | 16:58 |
| matrohon | we may export each subnet behind the router which hosts the ipsec connection? | 16:58 |
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| anilvenkata | i think we have to change both vpn-service-create and ipsec-site-connection-create api | 16:58 |
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| anilvenkata | IMO, vpn-service-create should accept only router | 16:59 |
| anilvenkata | ipsec-site-connection-create should accept local sunets and peer cidrs, which user wanted | 16:59 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: no. There have been people asking a few times on whether multiple subnets can be supported. So more of a discussion to see if it could be done and whether it should be | 16:59 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: agree. | 17:00 |
| pc_m | Ouch we ran out of time... | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | anilvenkata: looking at #link https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/ConnSection | 17:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | looks this is supported | 17:00 |
| pc_m | Let's continue on IRC/ML for this and summit get together.. | 17:00 |
| anilvenkata | for local subnets, we can do validations i.e local subnets given by user belongs to vpn-service router or not | 17:00 |
| pc_m | need to end the meeting folks... let's move to neutron. | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | quote .. "Since 5.1.1...multiple addresses, ranges and subnets can be separated by commas." | 17:01 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 12 17:01:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-05-12-16.03.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-05-12-16.03.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-05-12-16.03.log.html | 17:01 |
| matrohon | thanks | 17:01 |
| xgerman | thanjs | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: thanks! | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs | It's time for the Congress meeting. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 12 17:03:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | While we give people a chance to join, I'll remind everyone about the talks at the upcoming summit. | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=congress | 17:04 |
| anilvenkata | we couldn't dicsuss your question 2 2) Does the IP version of each subnet need to be the same? | 17:04 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: my bad luck, I am not attending the summit | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | anilvenkata: are you here for the Congress meeting? | 17:04 |
| anilvenkata | sorry not | 17:05 |
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| thinrichs | Who is here for Congress? | 17:05 |
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| jwy | thinrichs: here | 17:05 |
| alexsyip | here | 17:05 |
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| thinrichs | I don't have anything specific for the agenda today. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | I assume our statuses are all the same: getting talks/blueprints/etc ready for the summit. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | So let's just make this an open discussion. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 17:07 |
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| thinrichs | Anything anyone needs to discuss? | 17:07 |
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| thinrichs | Are there teams/projects that we should touch base with during the summit? | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | I know Keystone has some interesting policy-related work going on. | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs | Anything else? | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs | Murano. | 17:09 |
| masahito_ | hi! | 17:10 |
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| thinrichs | masahito_: hi! Welcome (or have you been here before?) | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | (I often forget people's IRC handle.) | 17:11 |
| masahito_ | I have been here before | 17:11 |
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| masahito_ | in march. | 17:11 |
| masahito_ | I want to know a schedule of next summit so I come to here. | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | Thought your IRC might look familiar. | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs | Here's a link to the list of events we have planned. | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=congress#.VVIyhK1Viko | 17:12 |
| masahito_ | Thank you. | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs | masahito_: is there anything else we can help you with? | 17:13 |
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| masahito_ | Everything is now OK! | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | There's not much the team has to discuss this week, so we were going to end in a few minutes. | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: ok. If anything else comes up, you can find us in #congress. | 17:14 |
| masahito_ | If I have, I'll ask it in the sessions :) | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | :) | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | Last call: anything to discuss? | 17:15 |
| shivharis | thinrichs: hi | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: hi! | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: what can we help you with? | 17:15 |
| shivharis | thinrichs: are there any apps on top of congress planned | 17:16 |
| shivharis | thinrichs: i would be interested in such in the summit | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: not sure what you mean by "apps" exactly, but ... | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | Murano is using Congress to ensure app-deployment obeys policy | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | And one of our talks at the summit demonstrates how to build a VM-migration policy engine using Congress (to minimize energy consumption). | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: is that what you're looking for? | 17:17 |
| shivharis | ok, i will take a look at that as well | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | Link to the talk I mentioned. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=congress#.VVIyhK1Viko | 17:17 |
| shivharis | thanks for the pointers | 17:18 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: no problem | 17:18 |
| bryan_att | hi, it's bryan joining late | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: hi! | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: what can we help you with? (Slow meeting day for the team, given the upcoming summit.) | 17:20 |
| bryan_att | fyi i'll be in the congress sessions in vancouver | 17:20 |
| bryan_att | also running a policy architecture session for the opnfv breakouts | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: great! | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: do you have a link for your breakout session? | 17:21 |
| bryan_att | sure, hang on | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs | Here are our sessions, BTW | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/?s=congress#.VVIyhK1Viko | 17:22 |
| bryan_att | goto https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/schedule/ and search for "sullivan" (there doesn't appear to be a direct link to each session) | 17:22 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: here's the link. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | #link https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/4cac959e77384a36b13df51f97a88e78?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 17:23 |
| bryan_att | thanks, I couldn't figure out how to get that | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | Looks interesting! I'll do my best to attend. | 17:24 |
| bryan_att | I posted draft discussion slides on the opnfv wiki at https://wiki.opnfv.org/copper | 17:25 |
| bryan_att | https://wiki.opnfv.org/_media/att_sullivan_policy_architecture_discussion.pptx | 17:25 |
| bryan_att | I will be updating them over this week, and arranging a panel discussion with the other policy related project leads (fault, scaling, security, etc) | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | On my calendar. | 17:26 |
| bryan_att | the idea is to take a broader view of policy design, but focus if possible on specific things that openstack can bring to the table, or ways we can harmonize policy across openstack and SDNCs | 17:27 |
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| bryan_att | any work in openstack will be for M release likely, but I want to start the discussion now so we don't have fragmented approaches to policy functions | 17:28 |
| bryan_att | that's a quick summary. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: thanks! | 17:28 |
| bryan_att | also one more note - we will get back to testing the ansible installer for Congress once we have the OPNFV R1 out, very soon. it will be a key part of our use case testing & gap analysis | 17:29 |
| bryan_att | I will likely reach out to you for help with that once we are ready | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: sounds good. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | Anyone have anything else? | 17:32 |
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| masahito_ | thinrichs: Is there an ethapad for the design summit? | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: yep | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-liberty-design-session | 17:34 |
| masahito_ | thanks | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | I'm trying to add a link to the session descriptions. | 17:35 |
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| thinrichs | Done—linked the etherpad to the work session descriptions. | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | I'll hang around here until the end of the hour, in case anyone else shows up, but otherwise it looks like we're done for the day. | 17:39 |
| shivharis | thinrichs: does it make sense to have the "intro/status/plans" session before the "work" sessions? | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: that would be ideal. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: but we have to work within the schedule we're given. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | shivharis: notice that the 2nd work session is *after* the intro. | 17:42 |
| shivharis | thinrichs: ok | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | I'm hoping that the first work session we can have discussions with the veterans, and then we can have more discussions with newer folks in the 2nd session. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | It should work out fine I think. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | And of course we can schedule time to talk outside of those working sessions. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | Last year we scheduled 3-4 hours worth. | 17:44 |
| shivharis | sounds fine | 17:44 |
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| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 12 19:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for SDK meeting, say hi | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 19:01 |
| etoews | o/ | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | #topic finishing out proxy APIs | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | so now that we have create, update, and delete done, there's a review out for list that i think should work for most people (https://review.openstack.org/178302), but get is the hangup | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | what should we support with soemthing like get_server in terms of what it accepts and what it returns? | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | my thinking is that you can give it an ID, a server object, or a name (which it then passes to list, filters on it, and gives you the match) | 19:03 |
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| briancurtin | i dont personally see a need for the find functionality we have floated. being able to get one resource or multiple resources through the two methods covers what i can imagine | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | if you need finer grained search capability, you can leverage the query params we support in the list calls and then add additional searching in your application code, but it's a specialized enough thing that i dont know if we can do a great job supporting it within the SDK | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | the biggest difference I came to between find and list is find returns a single thing and list returns a … list of things. the input bits totally can overlap | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | find is often useful as a wrappper to list if/when the input args need a common set of tweaks, with the right defaults o list inputs that shouldn't benecessary | 19:06 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: but when get_server is only ever going to return one server and find_server is also only going to return one, is there still a need for both? | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | only as a convenience | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | wouldnt it be more convenient to just call one method though? | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | there have been corner cases with the old libs where find has some specific fallback that list doesn't, I don't think that should be necessary in the SDK | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | i guess what i could do, in the interest of time, is just make get_server return based on ID or object, and either it grows to cover something like find or find still lives on its own | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | it depends on the inputs. Again, with clean and consistent lower-level implementations, I'm hoping it isn't | 19:08 |
| etoews | i wouldn't care to see get_server grow beyond id or object | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | so get_server() wraps list_server() and returns a single server object or raises excpetion if there is more than one? | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | name also please, I need that all the time in OSC | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: my current approach is that get_server tries to do a GET on the ID (you either pass one or a resource, and we get hte raw ID) - if it's not found based on that (because maybe it wasn't an ID), it would then call list with name=the_input_value and then return one and only one value (or raise if it's not one) | 19:11 |
| etoews | when using name isn't that part of servers() considering they're usually not unique? | 19:11 |
| etoews | names are not unique that is | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | etoews: if you create servers that are not named uniquely then you'll have to do something else entirely if you ever want to find them | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | no they;re not, which is why you have to handle the multiple return case | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | briancurtin: that;s essentially what the #*&! find() in OSC does, it's a bastard that includes all the special cases in the old libs… | 19:13 |
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| briancurtin | im just thinking that ive rewritten find at least 10 times now and it will never work generically, and i dont want to have to reimplement stuff all over for how every single resource does different things. i think we have a pretty good list that now supports query params, and i can make get just work on IDs. together those should be enough to get people | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | started, and maybe later we figure out find | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | i dont want to rush a release, but i really want to get something out there if we have create, update, delete, get, and list done ahead of teh summit since we've been sitting on a lot of changes for a while now | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | another thing we talked about was clone - that can also come later, it's just fanciness on top of create | 19:17 |
| etoews | briancurtin: get just works with IDs and names? | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | no | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | IDs only (which includes resources) | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | it currently does the name thing right now, but if it's going to do that then we are not having find | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I'm good with that | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | it sounds like maybe we want find, so getting by name will happen there | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | (there=find) | 19:18 |
| etoews | ah. that got lost in the noise for me. | 19:18 |
| stevelle | I also like that option | 19:18 |
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| etoews | summary: | 19:19 |
| etoews | get by id, find by name, list with filters | 19:19 |
| etoews | or | 19:19 |
| etoews | get by id/name, list with filters | 19:19 |
| etoews | are those basically the options? | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | I like the first only because find is implemented as a combination of get and list, that lests get and list stay atomic | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | teh second one could really get by id/name/<any of the query params the associated list method takes> | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | but i want to just go with the first at this point. maybe it grows to cover the second, but it seems less likely now | 19:21 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: thoughts? | 19:21 |
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| etoews | on the options. | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | sorry, I got pulled aside there :-/ | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | I like the 3 separate functions, for the reasons dtroyer stated | 19:23 |
| stevelle | also, very easy to document and explain | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | I’m a like the find method. I think the biggest challenge with it is how wonky list can be | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | so far the only real wonkiness ive found with list is that some support pagination and some dont, but we figured that one out (although it's manual when building the resource) | 19:26 |
| etoews | option 1 wfm | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | as long as list() has a consistent interface, find should be ok. The only thing I'd wonder about is also having a find_all() that returns all matches and find() wrap that to be the return-exactly-one obejct version | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | but that too can come later | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | but anyways, at this point i'll think out that get review and have it ready probably right after this meeting. list is already out there. i probably won't actually be able to work on find right away with talk slides and things to build up that is using what's out there...but it's next | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | *thin out that get review | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | the only other thing i had on the "agenda" was if anyone has any high priority stuff they need eyes on for the rest of the week | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | and i guess another is if there are specific topics to cover in the cross-project session that was accepted - i havent written any agenda up on it yet but will in the next day or so | 19:30 |
| etoews | what's the story on the failing py34? | 19:30 |
| etoews | do we just ignore it and merge away or is that a no-no? | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | i dont think we can merge unless that's passing, but when i looked earlier i dont think it was anything we did...but i didnt dig very far | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | I keep hoping that will magically fix itself | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | oh, you know what...timed out after 40 minutes | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | i bet it's httpretty | 19:31 |
| etoews | yep. time out everytime. | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | yep, httpretty released yesterday | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | is httpretty a prereq? hopefully for testing only? | 19:32 |
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| briancurtin | dtroyer: yeah it's a testing req, and we're most of the way through removing it | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | I thought we were mostly off httpretty | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | good to hear, thanks | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | mostly, but still a handful of them left, i think just in object_store, which i had been saving since the tests needed to be rewritten when we changed the proxy methods | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | when the get and list changes go through, i think we should be off httpretty at that point | 19:33 |
| briancurtin | we should probably push through another hack workaround for httpretty though because of this so we can get things moving | 19:33 |
| etoews | !=0.8.9 | 19:33 |
| briancurtin | (like the extra requirements file, or messing with tox) | 19:33 |
| openstack | etoews: Error: "=0.8.9" is not a valid command. | 19:33 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yeah, it's just in object_store right now and a test base class | 19:35 |
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| etoews | fix test right now or exclude 0.8.9 right now. i've got a patch for exclude 0.8.9 ready to go. | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | send it etoews | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | etoews: how are you doing it though? if you try to change requirements or test-requirements it'll get bounced by some requirements watcher. i think | 19:37 |
| etoews | we already have a bunch of exclusions for httpretty | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | do you know if that release breaks anything else? | 19:37 |
| briancurtin | the last time we had to do this we pulled it out of test-requirements and put it in like fix-gates.txt and inserted that into the tox.ini | 19:37 |
| etoews | i'm working on the assumption adding one more won't hurt | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | true, I think the gate will downvote your change etoews like briancurtin says | 19:38 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: not really sure, but the last 4-5 httpretty releases just hang on some socket stuff only on 3.4. there had been a patch by dave stanek months ago that just sits there and they release without it | 19:38 |
| * dtroyer sighs | 19:39 | |
| briancurtin | the carelessness of releases is part of what i think spurred requests-mock by jamie, which we moved to (along with just not using anything and using regular Mocks better) | 19:39 |
| etoews | so what exactly do we need to do to get out of this snarl right now? | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | should we address this in the global requirements list? | 19:40 |
| briancurtin | dhellmann: knowing the last 5 times this has happened, there's probably 4 changes out there right now for it | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | with a cap, instead of with simply != that is? | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+is:open+message:httpretty,n,z | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | etoews: i think if we pull httpretty out of test-requirements, put it in its own file temporarily with exactly what we know works, have tox.ini pip install -r that file, then we can sidestep the issue for now | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | ah, only one (so far!) | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | it looks like it is hitting an issue with neutron | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | http://logs.openstack.org/40/182340/1/check/check-requirements-integration-dsvm/15bd61d/console.html#_2015-05-12_19_25_10_338 | 19:42 |
| etoews | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182340/ | 19:42 |
| briancurtin | etoews: here's one we did last time: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158419/ | 19:42 |
| etoews | how much effort is it to just get us completely off httpretty at this point? | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | https://github.com/gabrielfalcao/HTTPretty/pull/193 some upvotes there might get gabriel to merge that | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | it looks like the fix for that gate issue is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182413/ | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | it looks pretty big because there is a base transport class that uses it too | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | not sure how that base class is used though | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | etoews: not much. it just hinges on the object_store tests being updated, but i dont want to update them independently and then also change them again when making hte proxy test changes. i will look right after this, but they're easy to move in line with the rest of teh proxies once their actual implementations follow | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: that base transport isn't used in any of the other changes though, as far as i remember | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | i moved away from using htat register_uri method that it is exposed through | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | iirc that's really just there for the remaining object_store ones and their different proxy impl | 19:45 |
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| briancurtin | so we either swap out the impl of register_uri, or i think probably just remove that since that's not how requests-mock does it | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | i think the approach to do is sidestep httpretty for right now and hopefully within a day or so the get and list methods might be approved, and then the first changes i'll do after that are finishing up the object_store transition to remove the httpretty things | 19:46 |
| etoews | +1 | 19:46 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, sounds good | 19:47 |
| etoews | sidestep httpretty == https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182340/ | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | etoews: that's going to take 5 days to get through | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | etoews: i'm going to do https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158419/ again and it'll be over in 10 minutes | 19:48 |
| etoews | alright | 19:48 |
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| briancurtin | running tests with the change right now, should be able to push in a few min | 19:50 |
| briancurtin | 10 minutes left, anything else to get through in the next few days? | 19:50 |
| etoews | it's not a priority for the summit but ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181607/ | 19:51 |
| etoews | i'm going to be giving a workshop on building an app on openstack at qcon in ny and i want to use the sdk but i need me some queues | 19:52 |
| etoews | the workshop is june 9 | 19:53 |
| terrylhowe | it looked good in general etoews but I haven’t tried it | 19:53 |
| terrylhowe | this patch also makes me wonder again if we should have a messaging directory with all the various messaging services inside it, but I think not | 19:53 |
| etoews | seems support for zaqar was just added as a plugin to devstack. | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | let's get the core close to done before expanding | 19:54 |
| * dtroyer used the c-word there | 19:54 | |
| terrylhowe | true dtroyer | 19:55 |
| briancurtin | let this run the tests, but it should pass and we'll temporarily be around httpretty again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182435/ | 19:56 |
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| etoews | terrylhowe: i can give you access to a devstack instance if you want to do a quick trial run. | 19:57 |
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| terrylhowe | that’s okay etoews thanks though | 19:59 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155362/ dynamic service loading | 19:59 |
| etoews | alright. well ping me if you have any questions on it. i'm pretty available this week. | 20:00 |
| terrylhowe | a topic I wanted to actually talk a bit about at the summit | 20:00 |
| etoews | time | 20:00 |
| etoews | briancurtin: time to call it | 20:01 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yeah, that one keeps creeping to the top of my list. i will try to get to it once again after get/list | 20:01 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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