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j^2#startmeeting openstack-chef15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  1 15:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef'15:00
j^2Wait, it's says 1500.15:00
j^2Anyone here for the openstack-chef status meeting15:00
j^2Yeah look at the bit, it says 150015:01
j^2I hate timezones15:01
therveIt's in 1h AFAICT15:02
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sc`good old dst15:03
j^2wow, i’m really confused15:03
j^2sam, i’ll announce the meeting in 56 mins in our other channel15:04
j^2markvan: it seems it’s 1500UTC atm15:04
j^2so we’re an hour early15:04
markvanah, was wondering about that, god my cal is correct then15:04
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j^2ok, sorry about the confusion, back here in 55mins15:05
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings ||"15:05
openstackMeeting ended Mon Jun  1 15:05:25 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)15:05
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j^2#startmeeting openstack-chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  1 16:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef'16:00
j^2hey everyone!16:00
j^2this is the _correct_ time :D16:00
j^2we have a couple things on the agenda16:00
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j^2especially haveing a week in essance off last week16:01
j^2please take a couple mins add any last min agenda items and we’ll start at 05 past the hour16:01
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j^2nice, ok first topic:16:04
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j^2#topic sam and the update of c7?16:04
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j^2sc`: ^^16:05
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sc`i was able to converge aio-nova with some workarounds, namely removing ironic from the roles and changing the mariadb service name from 'mysql' to 'mariadb'16:05
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sc`workarounds are outlined in
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sc`there have been efforts to move the packages' source of truth to from repos.fedorapeople, which can come in a later change once the packages pass gpg verification16:06
j^2hmm, ok, is there anything we can help/do to move this forward?16:07
sc`the biggest takeaway is that Ironic packages are still WIP16:07
j^2man, Ironic AGAIN16:07
* j^2 stares daggers at markvan16:07
j^2i blame you16:07
* markvan ouch...16:07
markvanseems like ironic is low priprity for rdo, where as ubuntu and other had that done long ago...humm.16:08
markvansc`: for the mariadb, is that a cookbok bug?16:09
sc`markvan: yes it is. the package on c7 comes with 'mariadb.service'16:09
j^2i think it’s a problem with the versions of the mysql cookbook we’re running16:09
j^2we need up probably update16:09
sc`it's specifically the mariadb cookbook16:09
sc`will need to do some upstream work on that one16:10
j^2can you put a small todo list about the fix for it?16:10
j^2if we can track it we could probably make it happ16:11
j^2i cant seem to type today16:11
j^2thanks, just drop it in the agenda so i can move it to the next to track the steps16:11
j^2#topic markvan and the trials of ubuntu16:11
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j^2the most important question off of all of this: Does this mean we need to start looking at 15.04? if there is no plan to back port to trusty?16:12
markvanLooks like that bug is in the trusty repo now, running a verify test now16:12
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markvanhopefully this is the end of that saga.16:12
alanmeadowsI had just gotten my head completely around 14.04 :/16:12
j^2markvan: nice16:13
j^2so progress is progress right?16:13
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j^2so we’ll wait on the validation, then we’ll circle back on this?16:13
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markvanyup, I'll post up when verified16:14
j^2#topic sc` and fauxhai16:14
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sc`fauxhai is still at 2.3.0 on still need to get a new gem released for the rhel7 update16:15
j^2I can try to pull some strings to get fauxhai updated, let me see what resources i can leverage16:16
markvanYeah, this hack is ugly:   j^2 can we maybe push form ChefDK side?   Is mean ChefDK lacks suppport for rhel 7 without this hack16:16
j^2will do16:16
j^2added it to the Action items on the agenda16:17
j^2#topic jklare Eastern Hemi update16:17
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j^2jklare: around?16:18
markvanhave not heard from kingkong today...(as I try to get his new kick to stick...16:18
j^2hahah i like it16:19
markvanWe have the CI patch proposed for  a new gate here:   Please review if you have not already,t hx16:19
j^2markvan: bad, we have an agenda, you shouldnt drop things in like that16:20
j^2still great work though16:20
markvanjust trying to fill jklare gap about where CI is16:20
j^2ok, next topic16:21
j^2#topic core reviewer16:21
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alanmeadowsj^2, when you get a chance, give a final yay or nay to, and I'll make it so across the field with the README updates16:21
j^2yeah i’ll take the action item for it16:22
alanmeadowsThis is the guinea pig:
j^2perfect,’ i was just about to ask that16:22
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j^2i’ll give this topic a few more mins16:22
j^2we have our maintainers and we’ll leverage the review for new cores16:23
j^2this actaully brings up something that showed up in openstack-infra the other day16:23
j^2i’d like to mention this while we have everyone here16:23
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j^2so as Cores we are the leaders of our project, make sure you acknowalge this, the PTL is only an administrator and there to step in when the community is at a standstill. So as we start growing our project now please keep this in mind as we start recruiting more people16:25
j^2and as alanmeadows says, the PTL is only a hub of information16:25
j^2as we are now santioned i can imagine our community is going to have some growth, if not sudden steady and we’re gonna be bigger than we are used to16:26
* j^2 gets off his soap box16:26
j^2any thoughts objections questions?16:26
sc`seems sensible to me16:27
markvansomething for cores to discuss, schedules for our project?  (bp deadlines and such...)16:27
markvanor are they first proposed by ptl16:27
j^2i think there isn’t an offical way to decide, it’s a perproject thing16:28
j^2especially if your interdependant on the other projects16:28
markvanok, I'll add something to agenda for next meeting to discuss16:28
j^2souds good16:28
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j^2ok, so this topic dove tails into our another topic16:29
j^2#topic stackforge -> openstack16:29
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j^2so I’ve put in:16:30
j^2this should be the final step we need to get moved16:30
j^2but it requires downtime with infra16:30
j^2i have us on the agenda for the next meeting which is tomorrow16:31
j^2we should be set to get put on the next down time, but if we can make the meeting and make sure there are no hang ups it would help:16:31
markvanyup, also will have a small ripple effect on our tools/doc16:31
j^2any thoughts objections questions?16:32
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markvanI can't think of any timing issues with doing that now vs later, but that would be my only concern16:33
markvanAnd does that mean that we could not be also part of the supermarket?16:33
alanmeadowsgood question16:33
j^2i don’t think so16:34
j^2we still don’t own the repo16:34
j^2though, I’ve been tasked with creating a “simple compute cookbook” that we can publish to supermarket leveraging our cookbooks16:35
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j^2and it’ll be in chef-partners16:35
j^2assuming i ever get time to code again, i’ll be making that asap16:35
j^2think of a “simpler version of the testing-stack"16:35
j^2no cinder or ironic or anything, just the bare minimum16:36
j^2next topic?16:36
j^2#topic client cookbook16:37
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j^2so i need to spend some time working on the client cookbook16:37
j^2i’d like to send out a doodle to find some time for everyone to do a hacksession16:38
j^2would anyone be interested?16:38
markvanIm in16:38
j^2i’ll send out the doodle to the ML16:38
alanmeadowsalthough even so, the move is still worth it but I was also curious about that16:38
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j^2#topic kilo bugs and BPs16:40
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j^2markvan: thoughts ^^16:40
j^2or do you want to set up a deicated time for it?16:40
markvanwas just wondering if we are at the point to think about a date for the stable/kilo branch16:40
markvanwe can certainly do a bug/bp walk thru to make sure we have agreement on what's left.16:41
j^2i thought we took the lions share down at summit?16:41
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markvanyup, just trying to followup and wind this down to zero16:42
j^2ah sounds good16:42
j^2ok, i’ll let the last 20ish mins open discussion?16:43
j^2#topic open discussion16:43
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j^2the floor is anyones16:44
markvanyeah, looks like the ubuntu bug is in trusty cloud archive: libvirt-bin                         1.2.12-0ubuntu13~cloud0   yeah!16:45
openstackj^2: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.16:45
alanmeadowsa quick one: I think with the move/rename in progress, it makes sense to introduce a designate cookbook post-rename?16:45
j^2alanmeadows: seems reasonable16:45
alanmeadowsto be sure, a "dnsaas" cookbook16:46
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j^2yeah the std is cookbook-openstack-<something>16:46
j^2i guess dnsaas could work16:46
sc`the centos cloud sig has packages up at but i've found that not all packages are signed by the standard centos package key16:47
sc`there also exists packages for juno on c616:47
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sc`the packages for c6 may be incomplete. once it stabilizes and gpg checks out, might be worth switching the common cookbook over to using those repos instead of repos.fp.o16:51
markvanand just a possible TODO, I don't see us listed on this wiki page, but not sure how this is generated, might be from openstack projects, not stackforge:
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j^2cool, i think we’re done for today, thanks everyone16:57
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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic17:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda17:00
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  1 17:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda17:00
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:17:00
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NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements17:00
NobodyCamRoll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting?17:00
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NobodyCamwe may have folk joining late as there is a neutron / ironic meeting just ending in OS-meeting-417:01
jroll\o hello hello17:01
NobodyCamwelcome all17:01
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NobodyCam#topic announcements:17:01
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NobodyCamDevananda is in Las Vegas at HP Discover promoting Ironic17:01
NobodyCamwe all survived the summit17:01
* dtantsur fixes to "HP Inspect" automatically17:01
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devanandadtantsur: LOL!17:02
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devanandaand yes, I'm in the belly of the beast17:02
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NobodyCamwelcome back everyone. :)17:03
devanandaand let me tell you, it smells17:03
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NobodyCamany announcements before we start the ball rolling?17:03
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devanandathere were a few large discussion threads started last week relating to ironic. I dont have all the links prepared - but I hope everyone is watching the -dev mailing list and saw them17:04
* devananda has no announcements17:04
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NobodyCamthat is a link to the summit recap email devananda sent out last week17:04
NobodyCamThank you devananda :)17:05
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NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: status report are posted on the Whiteboard17:05
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NobodyCamthank you all for the updates17:06
NobodyCamlooks like 3rd party ci is almost ready for the iLo drivers ... awesome news17:06
rlooirmc seems to be the only new update for this week?17:06
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jrollNobodyCam: that looks old17:06
devanandadtantsur: looks like the bug section is overdue for an update17:06
jroll"hopefully will be done before summit"17:06
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dtantsurdevananda, yeah sorry, it was a busy aftersummit week17:07
devanandadtantsur: indeed :)17:07
dtantsurdevananda, I did triage a couple of bugs, but I forgot to update the stats17:07
devanandaon the topic of third party CI, we are going to need some central place to consolidate periodic CI job runs17:08
devanandafeedback that I've gotten is that many of hte vendors wont be able ot keep up with the patch rate -- iow, they cant test every patch17:08
devanandaand so we need to create a "place" where periodic 3rd party CI jobs can post results AND where we'll all see it17:08
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devanandaso we can, you know, spot failures17:08
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devanandaif not proactively, at least reactively17:09
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* dtantsur updated whiteboard17:09
krtaylorthere was a session on that at summit17:09
rloocan they test *only* gate/merges? or is that even too many?17:09
devanandadtantsur: ty17:09
NobodyCamdtantsur: TY17:09
devanandarloo: some might be able to, yes17:09
krtaylorthat is a periodic dashboard proposal17:09
devanandarloo: but there is the further need for us to have periodic jobs *anyway*, eg for other upstream things like upgrade testing that takes 2 hours per run17:10
NobodyCamkrtaylor: awesome I will try and look afterthe meeting17:10
krtaylorwe have several 3rd party requirements to be able to push results, non-gerrit patch based17:10
rlooyeah, it would be good to have periodic jobs17:11
dtantsurrloo, what's the use of testing in gate? if it's voting, it will annoy people whose patch just got approved. If it's non-voting it's the same as just running a job on master from time to time - it won't help a reviewer17:11
NobodyCamif we have time lets come back to this17:11
devanandathanks for the link, krtaylor. good stuff17:12
krtaylorsure, np, I think it will be a requirement for us to start having in-tree/out-of-tree discussions, start with periodic17:12
rloodtantsur: to be able to pinpoint when/if a particular patch causes the failure.17:12
dtantsurhmm, right17:12
jlvillalrloo: dtantsur: Wouldn't periodic just run against the tip?17:12
devanandadtantsur: a non-voting test run on the gate could still be used to isolate a change that introduced a failure to a single patch, rather than a window of time (test_time - last_successful_test_time)17:12
dtantsurunderstood, thanks :)17:13
rloojlvillal: yeah, it'd run against tip but then you'd need to see 'what changed' since last test17:13
devanandalet's move on -- I think we all agree we need to have a place to collate periodic job test results17:13
jlvillalrloo: Okay.17:13
NobodyCamok moving on.17:13
NobodyCam#topic Neutron meeting recap17:13
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NobodyCamjroll: can you cover this one17:14
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jrollso we had the first ironic/neutron integration meeting this morning17:14
jrollit went pretty well overall and we made some good plans17:14
devanandajroll: thx for covering that [while I was on a plane] :)17:14
jrollthere will be specs incoming from BertieFulton and myself this week, around "how do we store physical network info" and "how do we flip around networks", respectively17:15
jrollwe *shouldn't* need nova/neutron specs for this stuff, but we might. there will be nova changes.17:15
jrollbe on the lookout for those specs!17:15
jrollthat's all I have for now, I think17:15
jrolldevananda: np :)17:15
NobodyCamawesome stuff jroll17:16
NobodyCamThank you17:16
rloojroll: i guess we just need to be mindful if we need nova specs, to get them in before the cutoff date17:16
NobodyCamlooking forward to all the new toys for ironic17:16
jrollrloo: oh, we will :)17:16
devananda++ what rloo said17:16
jrollrloo: I've already started on nova patches to stay ahead of the game17:16
rloojroll: awesome!17:17
devanandashall we move on?17:18
NobodyCamany questions for jroll (or anyone) on this?17:18
rloojroll: do we consider neutron/ironic a 'subteam'? (wondering if we want weekly status)17:18
dtantsur++ for weekly status17:18
jrollrloo: idk, I'm happy to give weekly updates17:18
* jlvillal would vote +117:18
devanandathere is a separate IRC meeting for this effort - so yea, I'd call it a subteam17:18
NobodyCamI was expection we would just bug jroll for status' as he did the first one17:18
jrollwhether official subteam or whatever17:19
NobodyCamok moving on.17:19
rloook, adding it to our etherpad/subteams17:19
NobodyCamty rloo17:19
NobodyCam#topic Should Ironic modify filesystems on disk17:19
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NobodyCamthis was added by jayf17:19
NobodyCamis he here?17:20
devanandathe spec has been up for over a month now17:20
NobodyCamit has a -2 on it17:20
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devanandaI've objected to it, and JayF has -2'd it, because it proposes that IPA mount every file system on the host, scan for a file named "fstab" and then modify that file17:20
devanandawriting the configdrive as a raw file and creating a loopback device for it17:21
* NobodyCam would vote -217:21
NobodyCamwe should not touch users files17:21
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devanandato apparently get around issues that one operator is having with configdrive partition taking up more space than they want to give it17:21
NobodyCamwelcome JayF17:21
devanandaand/or avoid having too many primary partitions17:21
JayFhey, sorry for being late17:21
rloowould be good to have the submitter of that spec here too17:22
natoriousJayF: #topic Should Ironic modify filesystems on disk17:22
jrollI'm also -$vote on this, fwiw17:22
jrollwhether that's -1 or -217:22
devanandarloo: indeed, but I don't see jxiaobin anywhere on IRC17:22
rloodevananda: maybe they didn't know (or diff time zone).17:22
JayFMy primary concern is that today we don't touch filesystems on disk at all, and it's a support matrix I'm not sure we should take on17:22
devanandatimezone may make that hard. IIRC, he is in korea17:22
rlooI haven't read the spec, but if we can address the person's concerns some other way, seems like that would be better17:23
BadCubThis spec is basically to satisfy one user's use-case?17:23
JayFThe idea of not only writing out a file to disk, but modifying configs makes Ironic have knowledge distribution/OS + filesystems required17:23
JayFmoreso than it does today17:23
devanandaI believe the boundary between user data and operator control plane needs to be (at least within upstream codebase) inviolate17:23
devanandathere are clearly defined APIs for passing data into the user's instance (read: cloud-init)17:23
devanandabut going in and mucking with /etc/fstab is NOT one of them17:23
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NobodyCamdevananda: ++17:24
devanandaheh. well. that's pretty clear :)17:24
NobodyCamso this spec needs to be re-worked17:24
rloothat seems fair enough. I see that jxiaobin is a new contributor so perhaps someone can spend a bit 'more time' than normal communicating/discussing with them?17:24
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JayFAnyone who was here for mid-cycle-alt in SF met them17:25
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JayFthat's the group of folks from Ebay17:25
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* JayF doesn't have the time17:25
* rloo thinks she understans jroll's reference...17:25
devananda#agreed ironic should not cross the user-data/operator-control-plane boundary and start editing files within the user's instance directly; it must rely on existing APIs for that (eg, cloud-init)17:25
NobodyCamTy devananda :)17:25
JayFrloo: touch nose = "not it" ... as in last person to touch their nose *is* it17:25
NobodyCamok is pshige here17:26
rloojroll: i was wrong, i think (some) asians do that to refer to 'themself'. Ie, you're it.17:26
jlvillalNobodyCam: pshige stated not feeling well and skip to next week.  According to agenda17:26
NobodyCamya was just checking17:26
NobodyCamso next up is:17:27
NobodyCam#topic Should remainder of PEP8 compliance work be done?17:27
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jrollrloo: interesting, TIL :)17:27
NobodyCamjlvillal: thats you17:27
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jlvillalsambetts: Has started the work on this.17:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1421522 in Ironic "Ironic code ignores all E12* pep8 errors" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Sam Betts (sambetts)17:27
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jrolljlvillal: so I'm curious what E126,E127,E128 are17:27
jlvillalI just wanted to make sure that everyone is okay with it.  As it will likely touch a lot of code17:27
dtantsurjroll, IIRC indentation17:27
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sambetts E123 (*) closing bracket does not match indentation of opening bracket’s line17:28
sambetts E126 (*^) continuation line over-indented for hanging indent17:28
sambetts E127 (^) continuation line over-indented for visual indent17:28
sambetts E128 (^) continuation line under-indented for visual indent17:28
jrollI presonally hate the indentation rules17:28
devanandameh. I dont see any significant value in those17:28
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NobodyCami would vote -1 for 12817:28
dtantsurI hate the rules, but I hate when they're violated all over the place17:28
devanandathere are a LOT of cases where readability is improved, IMNHSO, by ignoring those17:28
rloodtantsur: ha ha, that doesn't make sense!17:28
jrolldevananda: +117:28
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jlvillalI would vote for consistency and OpenStack states code should be PEP8 compliant17:28
jrollI also find I spend significant time tweaking things to fit those rules17:29
devanandaeg, because line wrapping to 80 chars of some highly indented code would make one expression span a bagillion lines17:29
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devanandaor three17:29
devanandaeither way it's too many17:29
jlvillalBut I may be in minority :)17:29
dtantsurfor the record: inspector never ignored any pep8 rules17:29
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jlvillalpython-ironicclient is fully PEP8 compliant also.17:29
dtantsurso I'm generally on the positions of: rules might such, but they're rules17:29
krtaylorI don't see a problem with being pep8 compliant personally17:29
devanandaoff hand, I think E128 is the one I would want to continue ignoring17:30
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rloofor the record, E129 isn't there cuz lucas? and I objected to it17:30
devanandaI'm probably at fault for breaking E123 all over the place. hang over from my C / Perl days17:30
NobodyCamyea I'm okay will all but the 128..17:31
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devanandatl;dr; do these rules improve readability when we follow them, or when we break them?17:31
sambettsthe patches to fix 123, 6 7 and 8 are up for review, and I think there are several cases when it does improve the readablity of the code17:31
rlooi looked at part of one of the patches, and it improved it for some cases17:31
jlvillalI think they improve readability for the most part.17:32
devanandaok then17:32
NobodyCamsambetts: can you #link them here for the record17:32
jlvillalI don't think we can see it does it for all cases.  But in the aggregate...17:32
devanandaand if the refactoring is already done, then yea, I'm for it.17:32
devanandait will cause some rebasing of other patches immediately -- better t oget that out of the way if we are going to enable these checks17:32
sambettsThe top of the tree of patches:
jlvillalDid we make a final decision on E128?  Yay or nay?17:33
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NobodyCamI'm good with what ever direction we want to go.. should we vote?17:33
jlvillalI think the patch is already doing E12817:33
rlooisn't that the bottom of the tree of patches? (what is top vs bottom?)17:33
jrollif the works done, I'm fine with it17:33
sambettsrloo: yes, thats probably true17:34
rlooumm, i'm not fine with it w/o looking at it17:34
jlvillalFirst patch to review is 186021 as all the others depend on it.17:34
devananda#startvote should we enable E123,6,7,8 checks? yes, no, abstain17:34
rlooregardless if the work is done or not ;)17:34
openstackBegin voting on: should we enable E123,6,7,8 checks? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain.17:34
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.17:34
jlvillal#vote yes17:34
thiagop#vote yes17:34
devananda#vote yes17:34
NobodyCam#vote yes17:34
sambetts#vote yes17:34
rloowhy all or nothing?17:34
BadCub#vote abstain17:34
devanandarloo: you can abstain or vote no if you dont want all17:35
TheJulia#vote yes17:35
afaranha#vote yes17:35
Nisha#vote yes17:35
rloo#vote no17:35
_lintan#vote abstain17:35
gabriel-bezerra#vote abstain17:35
dtantsur#vote yes17:35
clif_h#vote no17:35
cinerama#vote abstain17:35
jroll#vote yes17:35
natorious#vote yes17:35
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clif_hI just don't like the continuation indent rules17:35
devanandagiving it another minute17:36
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devanandaor not - since it seems everyone is done voting now :)17:36
openstackVoted on "should we enable E123,6,7,8 checks?" Results are17:36
openstackyes (11): TheJulia, NobodyCam, jlvillal, afaranha, devananda, jroll, dtantsur, Nisha, natorious, sambetts, thiagop17:36
openstackabstain (4): cinerama, BadCub, _lintan, gabriel-bezerra17:36
openstackno (2): rloo, clif_h17:36
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clif_hI think the ayes have it17:37
devanandawe've got 1 core voting no, 1 core abstaining17:37
devananda4 cores voting yes17:37
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devanandaand overall a lot more support for yes17:37
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devananda#agreed enable E 123,6,7,8 checks17:37
rloo(who's the core that abstained?)17:37
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devanandarloo: oops! I misread. we have no cores abstaining17:38
NobodyCamok moving on17:38
* BadCub hands devananda more coffee17:38
NobodyCam#topic Ironic Mid-Cycle Sprint17:38
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NobodyCamI think is is BadCub17:38
devanandaBadCub: thanks. remind me to never sit in a casino while trying to pay attention to IRC again17:38
BadCubdevananda: lol noted!17:38
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BadCubSo folks. Sprint.... Seattle work for everyone?17:39
jrollok so, "It's near the feature freeze. It might be a little late." <- first question, do we want to change release models this cycle or next17:39
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* NobodyCam hands deva some $$$ for the closest slot machine17:39
jrollI'm +1 on seattle though17:39
TheJuliadevananda: when they ask for your drink order, ask for coffee :)17:39
jlvillalWorks for me, but I will be in Moscow for all of July....17:39
TheJulia+1 on seattle17:39
BadCubdevananda: advised he would get in touch with facilities at HP17:39
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devanandaI've pinged the local facilities mgr, but no answer yet17:39
dtantsurnorth america does not work for me, so abstain on seattle :)17:39
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* jlvillal assumes he will get visa....17:39
devanandadtantsur: france didn't work for you last time, either :(17:40
jlvillaldtantsur: You can come to Moscow and we can have mini-sprint ;)17:40
NobodyCamjlvillal: visa's from protlanda are hard to get I hear17:40
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dtantsurdevananda, yes, you can safely assume that generally midcycles do not work for me :) in EU there are some (small) chances though...17:40
BadCubSo what about timing? devananda proposed 12-14 Aug, but that is close to freeze17:40
jlvillalIs there a date range?17:41
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jrollso I ask again, are we having a freeze this cycle?17:41
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jrollread: switching release models this cycle or next?17:41
dtantsurjroll, I was assuming we follow our new model17:41
jrollme too, which means freeze doesn't exist :)17:41
devanandafwiw, I'm looking at dates of Aug 12 - 14, which is the week before LinuxCon / CloudOpen in Seattle17:41
BadCubI have a secondary discussion item about spec review freeze later as well17:41
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jlvillal+1 on dates and location17:41
rloodid we decide for sure to use new release model? thought it was still in proposal stage17:42
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dtantsurBadCub, I thought that in a new model we don't have spec freeze, but maybe it's only me :)17:42
jrollrloo: we all (soft?) voted on it in vancouver, I was under the assumption this was an informational spec17:42
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NobodyCamjroll: I would like to land:
JayFfwiw 8/12-8/14 I wouldn't be able to attend; but I'm OK with that17:42
jrollrloo: I don't see disagreement on the list either17:42
gabriel-bezerradtantsur: I thought that too17:42
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rloojroll: give me a day or two...17:42
BadCubdtantsur: yeah, I put it up there for us to confirm that we are going to follow new model17:42
cineramathat is ok for me i think17:42
devanandaon the topic of release cycle / freeze / etc -- I dont know yet. I'd *like* to not do a feature freeze, *but* we are somewhat dependent on how far the community gets in changing the release models17:43
devanandaadapting their release tooling to support it17:43
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jrollNobodyCam: same.17:43
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jrollNobodyCam: needs some updates, I'll get to that this week17:43
NobodyCamjroll: +++17:43
devanandaso far, it looks like dhellmann is on the ball with all that, and ttx has already announced changes to how we'll track/report on release cycle progress17:43
devanandaso, it looks possible (if not likely) that it'll happen this cycle17:43
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dtantsurwhich means we're having a release soonish :)17:44
devanandadtantsur: eh?17:44
BadCubso [assuming] we will follow the new model. Is everyone good with 12-14 Aug in Seattle?17:44
dtantsurwe decided to have intermediate releases17:44
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devanandadtantsur: sure. but "soonish" - I dont know where that came from17:44
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dtantsurmy speculations17:45
BadCubVote would be good17:45
devanandavoting on?17:45
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BadCubdevananda: sprint date/location17:45
BadCubNobodyCam: 12-14 Aug17:45
rloonot everyone can attend these meetings.17:45
rlooseems odd to be voting on the date17:45
devanandaoh. yea. not something to vote on here17:45
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jrollto the list!17:45
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BadCubOkay, then I will [assume] that 12-14 Aug in Seattle is good and move forward17:46
* jlvillal forgets about the mailing list at times. His life is only about IRC....17:46
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devanandaquick question for folks re: dates17:46
NobodyCamok so we'll move on and maybe get thru the whole agenda17:47
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devanandaregadless of release models, who would prefer a date sooner than aug 12?17:47
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NobodyCamdevananda: I am good with +/- a week17:47
jrollmmm, actually. I might be out of town aug 13-16 :/17:47
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devanandaI mean like a month earlier17:48
jrollgo without me if that's the best date but I'd like to be there if possible17:48
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jlvillalI would prefer anytime after 4-Aug.  As I would not be able to attend in July.17:48
jrolldevananda: sounds like we need a doodle thing on dates17:48
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devanandayea ... sounds like we need a poll17:48
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rlooat the summit, there was discussion about trying to colocate with another project (or at least have ironic liaisons at other projects)17:49
devananda#action devananda to post a poll for midcycle dates17:49
BadCubthen let's do a poll so we can get a consensus that works for as many as possible.17:49
rloomaybe 'discussion' is too strong. more like 'mention'17:49
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jrollrloo: +1 for liasions17:49
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NobodyCamwe'll need a list of where / when the other mid cycles are17:50
jrollwe have two topics left, should we agree to poll and move on?17:50
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devanandarloo: IIRC, we said colocating with nova might be good, and we should try to cross-pollinate with cinder and neutron17:50
NobodyCamyep moving on :)17:50
devananda++ to moving on17:50
NobodyCam#topic capabilities17:50
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NobodyCamNisha: are you here17:50
NishaNobodyCam, yeah17:50
NobodyCam(links on agenda item)17:51
Nishai wanted to know the discussion on capabilities17:51
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jrollhas there been discussion on it?17:51
jrollI haven't see any17:51
Nishaeven devananda mail on summit update doesnt list any update on it17:51
Nishai heard some discussion did happened at summit17:51
Nishabut not sure whats the conslusion17:52
devanandaoutside of the nova scheduler sessions, I didn't see any discussions at the summit even related to this17:52
gabriel-bezerrawe had some discussions about flavors extra_specs that sounded like capabilites.17:52
jrollthe discussions I had on it were "when are we doing capabilities"17:52
devanandathere was a similar spec proposed by thiagop (i think) for adding a "passthrough" to nova flavors, which got heavily -2'd17:52
jrollfrom approximately 9001 people17:52
devanandaperhaps because of the name17:52
devanandabut it is, in principle, trying to achieve the same thing: pass some flavor data down to Ironic so that the driver can act upon it17:53
Nishadevananda, how do we want to deal with capabilities for ironic17:53
devanandagabriel-bezerra: thanks!17:53
gabriel-bezerradevananda: np17:53
Nishadevananda, that is done still, correct?17:54
devanandaNisha: so one problem with this work is that Nova is (still....) trying to refactor and split out the scheduler17:54
gabriel-bezerraI'll discuss with johnthetubaguy and dansmith about that later though17:54
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wanyenThere were some discussion about by-pass flavors.  Nisha Imentione dyour nova/capability specs at one of the break-out session but I don't think we made any conclusion.17:54
devanandaso they are resisting anything which changes how the scheduler works17:54
devanandait's quite frustrating for me as well. BUT. I've proposed to Nova an alternative approach, which is basically that we create a new plugin for the scheduler that queries Ironic's REST API directly17:54
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NobodyCamso maybe better to wait until they finish their refactor17:54
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jlvillal5 minutes17:55
devanandato do that, we need to implement a queriable endpoint, with filtering abilities, and probably do some table refactoring17:55
NishaNobodyCam, that may be too late for us to get anything in Nova17:55
jroll"wait on nova" is always sad17:55
devanandaI haven't written this anywhere yet17:55
rlooany idea on when that refactor might happen? earliest is M (my guess)17:55
Nishain liberty17:55
dansmithdon't count on it :)17:55
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dansmithI don't think this is completely wrapped up in the scheduler, FWIW17:55
dansmiththe concerns are more fundamental than that,17:55
devanandaso first step is probably for me to write a spec on what dansmith and mikal and I talked about, as far as the API in Ironic and the Nova scheduler changes to use it17:55
dansmithwhich means the "good news" is we can discuss it separate from that I think17:55
gabriel-bezerraI was in the design session about refactoring flavors extra_specs. I can see the intention/the pain point but could not see agreement there.17:56
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devanandadansmith: oh?17:56
NobodyCamdansmith: awesome17:56
clif_hare we going to have an open discussion before the hour runs out?17:56
NobodyCamwe have one more topic on the agenda17:56
devanandadansmith: Ah. Nova's idea of a flavor == find the thing I want, != make the thing I want magically appear17:57
devanandablah. time. let's open it up and continue this afterwards17:57
NobodyCam#topic Open Discussion / Food For Thought17:57
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jroll2 minutes :P17:57
jrollclif_h: whatcha got17:57
clif_hI humbly request eyes on17:57
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NobodyCamthere is also a item for spec review cut off date17:57
jrollyay caching.17:58
clif_himage caching patch17:58
BadCubNobodyCam: if we are following the new model, that wont be applicable17:58
jrollBadCub: sow ith the new release model, do we need a spec freeze? (or is that your question?)17:58
clif_hhas come a long way and appears to work well with arsenal17:58
dansmithdevananda: I dunno that either of those is really correct anymore17:58
dansmithbut anyway17:58
devanandaclif_h: image caching ++17:58
clif_halthough its not in production downstream just yet17:58
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NobodyCam*one minute*17:59
rlooBadCub: shouldn't your question be addressed/added in jroll's spec about the new release model?17:59
BadCubjroll: not really, my only concern is the Cores are not overwhelmed with reviews, etc.17:59
jrollBadCub: I think the freeze is what overwhelms us17:59
devanandadansmith: I'm probably out of touch. happy to learn if you'd like to clarify what the current model is17:59
BadCubrloo: indeed it should. I think we need to come to the consensus on what our release model will be moving forward.17:59
NobodyCamand thats time...18:00
dansmithdevananda: I mean that with things like numa, there's some of "find what I want" in addition to "create what I want"18:00
NobodyCamthank you all18:00
dansmitheven for virt18:00
jrollthanks err'body18:00
devanandaBadCub: others: please discuss release model (concerns) on the mailing list and/or the spec18:00
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devanandathanks all! good meeting18:00
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gabriel-bezerradansmith, devananda: might we continue that discussion about the flavors somewhere? #openstack-ironic, #openstack-nova?18:01
devanandain -nova18:02
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flaper87vkmc: flwang dynarro around ?20:54
vkmcflaper87, o/20:54
flaper87cool, ~6mins20:54
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flaper87just want to make sure you are around20:54
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flaper87#startmeeting Zaqar21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun  1 21:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'21:00
flaper87WHAT'S UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ????????????????????????????????????????????????????21:00
* flaper87 super excited21:00
flaper87vkmc: dynarro flwang ?21:00
flaper87our agenda for today21:00
flaper87helloooo there :)21:01
* flaper87 overwhelmed21:01
* sigmavirus24 lurks like kragniz 21:01
flaper87y'all welcome21:01
flaper87sigmavirus24: we recruited kragniz21:01
kragnizsigmavirus24: I lurk better than you lurk21:01
flaper87he doesn't know yet21:01
sigmavirus24flaper87: sounds legit21:01
* sigmavirus24 waves to vkmc 21:01
flaper87#topic Summit Feedback21:01
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flaper87vkmc: want to start?21:02
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flaper87wake up girl!21:02
flaper87Now you know what we, Europeans, suffer with this meetings.21:02
* vkmc waves21:03
sigmavirus24flaper87: don't be so dramatic. =P21:03
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flaper87vkmc: feedback from the summit? Anything you want to share to start with?21:03
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vkmcha! it was a pretty interesting summit21:03
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sigmavirus24there there21:03
vkmcwe had great sessions with people working on Sahara and Heat21:03
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ryansbglad we could help :)21:04
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ryansbsooo, meeting?21:08
kragnizrip our brave leaders21:08
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ryansbtime for anarchy then21:09
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ryansbwelcome back21:11
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vkmcflaper87, netsplit!21:12
flaper87sorry, connection21:12
flaper87what was the last message you got ?21:12
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vkmcI was updating folks about the summit, not sure if those reached the other end21:13
flaper87 #link
ryansbflaper87: feedback from summit? Anything you want to share to start with?"21:13
flaper87for people reading logs, that's the discussion on the mailing list21:13
ryansblast I saw21:13
flaper87It was indeed a very interesting summit... As vkmc said, there were quite a few sessions with people from other projects21:13
flaper87these sessions - as we wanted - ended up in action items that - unlike other summits - are actually being worked on21:13
flaper87That's great news for the project and it means we'll keep spending time on it21:14
flaper87if anyone tries to bail out on the project, I'll .... actually... you know what's going to happen21:14
flaper87that's the overall summary from me21:14
flaper87I'm quite happy with the result21:14
flaper87anyone wants to add something? otherwise we can get to the actual plans/items21:14
vkmcplans/items \o/21:15
sigmavirus24++1 does nothing ryansb21:15
sigmavirus24at least not in C =P21:15
dynarrolet's go on!21:16
ryansbsigmavirus24: works in gerrit21:16
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vkmcflaper87, ?21:18
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dynarronetsplit again, I guess21:20
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flaper87fuck this shit21:21
flaper87#topic Liberty specs and plans21:21
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flaper87no idea what's going on21:21
flaper87but really, fuck this shit21:21
flaper87those are our specs so far... There are some missing but I believe their priority is lower21:21
flaper87flwang is not around :(21:21
flaper87anyway, lets start with
flaper87dynarro: anything you want to say/add ?21:22
flaper87I think it's a no-brainer and we should let her work on that (will do proper introductions at the end)21:22
flaper87vkmc: any comments on that one?21:22
flaper87I suggested moving websockets out of there21:22
flaper87since that's not an API change but rather a complete different protocol21:22
vkmcyeah, that would make sense21:23
flaper87s/would make/makes/21:23
dynarroyeah, flaper87 I've changed those things you told me21:23
vkmcthe specs looks good to me as is now21:23
flaper87ok, since netty netty is shitty shitty lets move on to the next one before I get kicked out again21:23
flaper87vkmc: agreed21:23
flaper87vkmc: pls, +2 and I'll approve later21:24
vkmccertainly the client needs some love :)21:24
vkmcthanks dynarro for writting the spec!21:24
flaper87vkmc: oh yeah!21:24
flaper87dynarro: danke21:24
flaper87So, that one is simple too. Just a backlog dir so that people not interested in working on features can still propose them21:24
flaper87it should be an easier way to get proposals from other folks21:25
flaper87that's more like a heads up :P21:25
flaper87ok, that's one of the juicy ones for this cycle21:25
flaper87It's for pre-signed URLs21:25
flaper87In a gist, pre-signed URLs will grant access to external - therefore unauthenticated - users to some resources in Zaqar21:26
ryansbflaper87: I had a thought on that: would project-scoped tempurls make any sense?21:26
ryansbto grant access to, say, a group of queues?21:26
flaper87ryansb: mmh, in that case, I'd rather have a shared user with a limited role21:27
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ryansbI see; just a thought21:27
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flaper87not a crazy one, though.21:27
flaper87It'd probably be easier once we have policy and the bases of pre-signed URLs21:27
* flaper87 just noticed ryansb and therve have commented on the spec21:28
ryansb*fair enough21:28
flaper87ryansb: thanks for taking the time21:28
flaper87I'll read the comments tomorrow and address them21:28
flaper87That said, I'm curious to know if vkmc, dynarro and/or flwang (who's not here) have questions regarding the feature21:29
flaper87(or ryansb, or anyone)21:29
vkmcI don't have any question regarding the feature, I should reread the spec21:29
flaper87The main usecase is to allow these users/services - say a guest-agent - to access those resources without too much magic21:29
vkmcI'd like to read, though, how is the Heat use case specifically21:30
vkmcif its somewhere :)21:30
ryansbvkmc: for the signed urls?21:30
ryansbthat one isn't written down afaik21:30
ryansbit's more or less "send a tempurl to a client so we can send it messages"21:30
vkmcryansb, to manage Heat resources?21:30
ryansbno, to have clients (like cloud-init/heat-cfntools) on nodes be able to have messages sent to them without polling heat directly21:31
ryansbso when heat creates a server, it can fire the data off to the zaqar queue for that client, and the client picks it up when it boots21:32
vkmcoh cool21:32
flaper87In addition to that, Sahara and Murano are looking forward to use this feature for their guest-agents21:32
ryansbthere's the other use case for heat, which is sending events like "your stack is done" or "this resource blew up" to users without polling heat21:32
ryansbtl;dr: we want to stop having people poll us so much21:32
vkmcthat makes sense21:32
vkmcthanks ryansb21:32
* flaper87 read to day a proposal for "Efficient polling"21:33
* flaper87 -> head -> desk21:33
flaper87anyway... moving on21:33
ryansbat least they didn't say "low-latency polling"21:33
flaper87#link (Policy)21:33
flaper87flwang proposed this before the summit21:33
flaper87It follows pretty much what other openstack projects do w.r.t policies21:33
flaper87It proposes adopting oslo.policy and adding a policy.json21:34
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flaper87I'd be happy to have this for several reasons. Besides having policies, I've been also thinking how to extend them in a per-queue basis21:34
flaper87call me crazy but even in a per-message basis21:34
flaper87but one step at a time21:34
flaper87I'll be writing those thoughts down this week21:35
vkmcseems you like policies21:35
flaper87so we can start brainstorming over a spec21:35
ryansbper-message sounds a little crazy21:35
ryansbbut per queue/project would be great21:35
flaper87vkmc: no, I just don't like people reading my messages21:35
vkmcryansb, +121:35
vkmcflaper87, lol21:35
flaper87ryansb: yeah, that'd be the first step21:35
flaper87I think I have a good proposal21:36
flaper87does anyone have objections/thoughts on that spec ?21:36
flaper87I nitpicked on it today21:36
flaper87but other than that, it seems pretty straight-forward21:36
vkmcno right now, will review tomorrow21:36
flaper87vkmc: why didn't you read the specs *before* the meeting? ah? ah? ah?21:37
* flaper87 sent a meeting invitation a week ago21:37
vkmcflaper87, I got lost on debugging other stuff21:37
vkmcthe day just... happened21:37
vkmcand I didn't notice21:37
flaper87vkmc: it's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways the same excuse21:37
* flaper87 hugs vkmc21:37
vkmcI'll review tomorrow, I promise21:37
flaper87yeah right... Send me some gummybears while you are at it21:38
vkmcsure sure21:38
flaper87anyway, that's all spec wise21:38
flaper87actually, I lied21:38
flaper87vkmc: I'll get to your websocket review soon21:39
flaper87however, It'd be amazing to complete that spec during liberty21:39
vkmcflaper87, sounds good!21:39
flaper87you'll have to propose it for liberty21:39
flaper87I guess moving it and adding a history should be enough21:39
vkmcyeah, I'd like to have up to claims in liberty 121:39
flaper87I've seen Nova folks doing so21:39
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vkmcwe need to discuss what to do with pools, flavors21:40
flaper87Also, another missing spec (shaifali said she's going to work on that) is the tests refactor21:40
flaper87I need to triple-check what's her time commitment21:40
flaper87vkmc: agreed, lets get the data plane out of the way21:40
flaper87.. first21:40
vkmcsounds good21:40
vkmcso I'll propose the spec for liberty then21:41
vkmcand rebase the messages patch for websockets21:41
flaper87vkmc: just make sure you don't endup debugging rst for a day21:41
flaper87ok ?21:41
vkmcI cannot promise that21:41
* flaper87 hides from vkmc punches21:41
flaper87ok, now, that's really it spec wise21:42
flaper87#topic clean ups21:42
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flaper87There are several clean ups to do in the codebase21:42
flaper87For instance, we still have old sqlalchemy models around21:42
flaper87I'll be dedicating time to some of those clean ups but I'll sure file bugs when I find them21:43
flaper87if someone shows up looking for something to do, you know where to look21:43
flaper87We also need to add an env var for zigo so he can run tests21:43
flaper87It's not as straightforward as I thought21:43
flaper87since we're using config files for our tests21:43
ryansbshouldn't env vars override config files?21:44
flaper87I proposed him to use sed but I never heard back from him. I think  he just rage-quited and ran away21:44
flaper87ryansb: yeah, it's just the way these tests are structured that makes it hard21:44
flaper87unfortunately, we ended up having mongdb:// urls everywhere21:44
flaper87because we used to have sqlite://:memory: there21:45
ryansbah :/21:45
flaper87That was a mistake that we need to fix somehow21:45
vkmcmaybe we could use mongo mock for that?21:45
vkmcin the long term21:45
flaper87especially requesting mongodb for unittests, which is not ideal21:45
flaper87I looked into mongomock and I'm afraid that it may not support all the features we need21:45
flaper87We use many things from mongo21:46
vkmcoh hmm21:46
flaper87here's my thought re-tests21:46
flaper87Once they are merged, we should just let devs choose what they want to test against (redis/mongodb) and then have our gates as we have them21:46
flaper87(by merged I mean the work shaifali is going to do)21:47
flaper87And move all tests requesting running dbs to `functional` where they belong21:47
flaper87In other words, Shaifali has a lot of work21:47
flaper87anyway, 10 mins left21:48
vkmcwe probably can divide some work on that side21:48
flaper87vkmc: yeah21:49
flaper87I think we'll have to wait for the merge to happen, though21:49
flaper87just to have a clearer view of how the tests structure will look like21:49
vkmcyeah, certainly21:49
flaper87at the very least, we should wait for the spec21:49
flaper87that said, I agree21:49
flaper87we should split that21:49
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flaper87We can ask dynarro to do 99.9 % of the work and we do the remaining 0.1%21:50
vkmc+1 flaper8721:50
vkmcoh hi dynarro21:50
flaper87dynarro: oh you're here? oooooooops ?21:50
flaper87oh well21:50
flaper87#topic Open Discussion21:50
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flaper87As usual, I'd like to welcome our new mentee21:51
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flaper87We've a record, we've been mentoring Outreachy mentees every cycle21:51
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flaper87and I'm proud of us21:51
flaper87In this cycle, dynarro will be our mentee21:51
vkmcwelcome dynarro!21:51
flaper87and I'd like to thank vkmc for stepping up as a mentor in this cycle21:51
* angvp claps21:51
vkmchappy to have you on board :)21:51
flaper87angvp: oh look showed up just when we finished splitting the work21:52
flaper87so, really. Welcome, dynarro21:52
flaper87we're all excited to have you and you better do a great job or we'll never like you again21:52
dynarrothanks! I'm SO happy to be part of it!21:52
vkmcdynarro, you know you are doomed, right? you won't be able to leave Zaqar, ever!21:53
dynarrohahaha....I know...21:53
flaper87I'd like to also thank all the folks that participated in sessions at the summit.... If you were here, I'd mention you but I guess ryansb will take all the credits this time21:54
flaper87ryansb: thanks for all your amazing feedback... We look forward to see tons of patches landing everywhere21:54
ryansbAlso, during the summit we talked a bit about using swift as a backend for zaqar. So far, I have the basic (post/get/delete) flow working and I'll probably post a review later in the week21:54
flaper87(patches related to Zaqar, we don't care about the rest)21:54
angvpflaper87 vkmc ok, i can help dynarro with 0.1% of the work too :P21:54
vkmcryansb, that's great!21:54
ryansbheh, yeah. Hoping to get some zaqar stuff into L1-heat21:54
flaper87ryansb: wow, sweet, niiiiiiiiiiiiiice!21:54
flaper87I'd love to see that backend21:54
dynarroangvp: hahaha thanks21:55
ryansbcurrently I sort of hacked it, I'm still using redis for the management store21:55
ryansbbut my eventual hope is to do sqlalchemy for management and swift for all the queues/messages21:55
flaper87ryansb: that's ideal21:55
flaper87any reason why you're not using sqla already ?21:55
ryansbbecause I tried it briefly and got an indecipherable error message21:56
flaper87Redis will work until you try to create a pool in it (since it's not supported :P)21:56
flaper87ryansb: mmh, ok, I'll give it a try and fix whatever is broken there21:56
flaper87angvp: actually, you do it21:56
ryansbit may have been due to operator (me) error21:56
flaper87ohhh, it's always ops fault21:57
ryansbonly when I'm the operator ;)21:57
ryansbin any case, pools shouldn't be needed for swift21:57
flaper87ryansb: btw, are you developing it in the code base? or as an external plugin ?21:57
ryansbsince the scaling/storage is all handled in swift, no need for us to wrap an API21:57
flaper87you know you can have it as a third-party plugin, right ?21:57
ryansbI'm doing it in the code base, I didn't feel like messing around to make it a plugin21:58
flaper87ryansb: but you may want to have swift+redis in the data-plane and you'll need pools in that case21:58
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ryansbhrm. maybe21:58
flaper87pools are not just to scale the same storage type21:58
flaper87that's what I wanted to say21:58
flaper87not that you really need that combination21:58
ryansbyeah, I see now21:58
flaper87ryansb: Thanks for hacking on that21:58
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flaper87ryansb: has it been hard to implement ?21:59
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flaper87(I mean form a Zaqar's perspective)21:59
ryansbnot so far, but there are a lot of things I haven't done yet (claims)21:59
flaper87gotcha, those might be messy21:59
flaper87ok, we ran out of time :)21:59
ryansbah. Well I ran out of implementation :)21:59
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flaper87Next week we'll have the meeting at this same time and the week after we'll be back to our alternate22:00
flaper87.. schedule22:00
flaper87THANKS ALL!22:00
flaper87LONG LIVE ZAQAR!22:00
vkmcI'll update the wiki with the minutes + times22:00
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vkmcthanks all!22:00
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