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mrda | . | 05:01 |
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gabriel-bezerra | . | 05:01 |
gabriel-bezerra | o. | 05:01 |
cinerama | hi! | 05:01 |
* mrda wonders if my NA friends are still awake... | 05:02 | |
jlvillal | mrda, I'm awake.... | 05:03 |
cinerama | we may not have devananda | 05:03 |
mrda | s/my/all my/ | 05:03 |
cinerama | okay! | 05:04 |
cinerama | #startmeeting | 05:04 |
openstack | cinerama: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 05:04 |
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mrda | cinerama: without chair delegation I think we're stuck | 05:05 |
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cinerama | mrda: orly? we might be able to work the bot - i have pinch hit on tripleo meetings before | 05:05 |
cinerama | we only have pshige's agenda item | 05:06 |
mrda | cinerama: oh? | 05:06 |
cinerama | #startmeeting Ironic | 05:06 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 05:06:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cinerama. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:06 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 05:06 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:06 |
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mrda | o/ | 05:06 |
cinerama | okay welcome everyone to this lightly-attended ironic meeting | 05:06 |
mrda | Thanks cinerama for poking the bot | 05:06 |
jlvillal | o/ | 05:07 |
naohirot | o/ | 05:07 |
lintan | o/ | 05:07 |
wanyen | o/ | 05:07 |
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cinerama | okay so looks like first off on the agenda we have: | 05:07 |
cinerama | Announcements and reminders | 05:07 |
mrda | So it looks like we're having a midcycle | 05:08 |
cinerama | the main one we have is: don't forget to vote in the poll about mid-cycle dates. you can find the poll at #link http://goo.gl/forms/RJvq0uqfSD | 05:08 |
pshige | o/ | 05:08 |
mrda | and devananda's got a straw poll going... | 05:08 |
cinerama | anyone have any other announcements they'd like to share? | 05:09 |
gabriel-bezerra | cinerama: shouldn't #link be in the beggining of the message? | 05:09 |
mrda | #link http://goo.gl/forms/RJvq0uqfSD | 05:09 |
cinerama | gabriel-bezerra: oh, OK. thanks for the pointer | 05:09 |
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gabriel-bezerra | cinerama: np | 05:09 |
cinerama | okay great. moving along, looks like the next topic is | 05:10 |
gabriel-bezerra | pshige didn't answer devananda earlier, like 2h ago. | 05:10 |
gabriel-bezerra | is pshige around? | 05:11 |
pshige | yes | 05:11 |
gabriel-bezerra | I'm sorry, you said o/ | 05:11 |
gabriel-bezerra | so, next topic... | 05:11 |
cinerama | do we want to get straight into pshige's topic? did anyone else have anything for the subteam status reports? | 05:11 |
gabriel-bezerra | #topic Review subteam status reports | 05:12 |
mrda | cinerama: I think that's all we got. There's nothing interesting in the sub-teams' reports | 05:12 |
wanyen | subteam status are on teh whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 05:12 |
cinerama | thanks wanyen | 05:12 |
pshige | ok | 05:12 |
cinerama | pshige, i think you have the floor | 05:12 |
pshige | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187056/ | 05:13 |
gabriel-bezerra | cinerama: #topic please | 05:13 |
pshige | I don't know the irc command ... | 05:13 |
cinerama | #topic pshige on changing the structure of the developer docs | 05:13 |
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cinerama | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187056/ | 05:13 |
pshige | it's just for discussion and I don't intend to merge this as it is. | 05:13 |
pshige | My propose is to create a branch of guide for stable/kilo other than what we maintain for master. | 05:14 |
* mrda looks | 05:14 | |
pshige | We don't have OpenStack Documentation for kilo written by docs team. | 05:14 |
pshige | So for Admins , we should keep the Install Guide etc for stable/kilo. | 05:14 |
pshige | On the other hand, we should also keep the Developer Install Guide for master. | 05:14 |
gabriel-bezerra | pshige: our docs are in the same repository as the code, aren't them? | 05:14 |
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pshige | yes | 05:15 |
pshige | Please give me any comments.I won't merge this for a while. | 05:15 |
pshige | I will continuously discuss with Docs Team in consideration of our opinions and will report as Docs sub team. | 05:15 |
mrda | pshige: is this in line with what devananda and loquacities were discussing at summit? | 05:15 |
gabriel-bezerra | so isn't the stable branch for kilo code the same as kilo docs? | 05:16 |
mrda | i.e. Ironic write the docs, docs team wander over occasionally and fix all our structure/grammar/spelling mistakes? | 05:16 |
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pshige | we don't decide which team will write manuals. | 05:17 |
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mrda | So there's been some agreement between Ironic PTL and Docs PTL on this at summit | 05:18 |
mrda | so I was wondering whether this is the follow-on to that | 05:18 |
pshige | we should discuss with docs team. | 05:18 |
mrda | Right, I think that just happenned in Vancouver :) | 05:18 |
pshige | no agreement there | 05:18 |
wanyen | Ironic doc is not part of the OpenStack Kilo doc. Do you know whether Ironic admin doc will be included in OpenStack administrator guide for Liberty? | 05:19 |
mrda | oh ok. I understood that to be different. I'll talk to Lana again about this. | 05:19 |
pshige | we should discuss in a few months. | 05:20 |
wanyen | I thought eventaually admin info will go into OpenStack admin guide and Ironic will only maintain the developer doc. | 05:20 |
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mrda | wanyen: it's my understanding that docs don't have capacity to write Iromnic docs, so the Irtonic team have to. But Docs will offer support from time to time to keep us on track. | 05:20 |
mrda | (please excuse my typos) | 05:20 |
wanyen | mrda, np. I am bad at typing as well. | 05:20 |
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mrda | ok, so it seems like more discussion is needed in this space. | 05:21 |
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pshige | I should go on this discussion here in a few weeks. | 05:21 |
pshige | I don't intend to decide something here now. | 05:22 |
wanyen | one of iLO driver team member discussed doc changes with rloo lately. That's the impression I got from that discussion. | 05:22 |
mrda | ok, perhaps when we discuss it again I'll invite the Docs PTL along, so we can all be on the same page. | 05:22 |
wanyen | mrda +1 | 05:22 |
gabriel-bezerra | I think docs should be together with their project/module as a general rule. | 05:23 |
pshige | that's it. | 05:23 |
mrda | gabriel-bezerra: I think that's what's happening | 05:23 |
cinerama | #action Discuss Ironic admin documentation with docs PTL | 05:23 |
cinerama | ^ that look about right pshige mrda? | 05:23 |
mrda | cinerama: thanks | 05:24 |
cinerama | anything else on that topic? | 05:24 |
pshige | we should discuss with Lana and Karin | 05:25 |
* mrda just pinged Lana, pointing her to this log | 05:25 | |
cinerama | #action Ping Lana & Karin re docs | 05:25 |
cinerama | okay | 05:26 |
cinerama | #topic General discussion | 05:26 |
*** openstack changes topic to "General discussion (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 05:26 | |
cinerama | anyone else have anything they'd like to discuss here? | 05:26 |
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mrda | thanks cinerama - I think we're done here :) | 05:27 |
pshige | thanks cinerama and all! | 05:28 |
gabriel-bezerra | thank you, folks | 05:28 |
cinerama | great, thanks everyone | 05:28 |
pshige | #endmeeting | 05:28 |
cinerama | #endmeeting | 05:28 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 05:28:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:28 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-09-05.06.html | 05:28 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-09-05.06.txt | 05:28 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-09-05.06.log.html | 05:28 |
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evrardjp | good morning everyone | 07:50 |
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devvesa | 2/go 5 | 08:09 |
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pc_m | Hi | 16:00 |
ajmiller | Hello | 16:00 |
pc_m | hi ajmiller | 16:01 |
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dhruvdhody | hi again! | 16:01 |
pc_m | deja-vu | 16:01 |
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pc_m | :) | 16:01 |
pc_m | will give a few mins for everyone to get in channel | 16:02 |
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pc_m | Let's get started as a few other items to discuss before talking abouot BGP VPN API | 16:04 |
sridhar_ram | hi | 16:04 |
pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 16:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 16:04:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:04 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 16:04 |
pc_m | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:04 | |
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pc_m | There is a change to merge the Fedora strongswan into strongswan driver. See #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189611/ | 16:05 |
pc_m | No other announcements. | 16:05 |
pc_m | #topic bugs | 16:06 |
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pc_m | Please look at the open reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z and provide feedback to committers. | 16:06 |
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pc_m | Any bugs that warrant discussion right now, or can we skip that this week? | 16:07 |
sridhar_ram | pc_am: For me Scenario test is an important one | 16:07 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: will review that for sure | 16:08 |
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pc_m | sridhar_ram: please do. I haven't looked at it in a while, but I think it is failing tests just recently (#link https://review.openstack.org/159746) | 16:08 |
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pc_m | not sure what changed (as same patch set). | 16:09 |
pc_m | If anyone has any ideas, let Nikolay know. | 16:09 |
pc_m | #topic Multiple Subnets | 16:10 |
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pc_m | RFE was submitted. Waiting for Drivers Team to review and see if BP is needed. | 16:10 |
pc_m | One question for the group... | 16:10 |
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pc_m | Should we require that the local subnets all have the same IP version? | 16:11 |
pc_m | OK, two questions... Should we require that local and peer subnets have the same IP version? | 16:11 |
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pc_m | Currently, there is no restriction. | 16:12 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: I think so. Mixing versions is an unchartered territory IMO | 16:12 |
pc_m | sridhar_ram: That's what I was thinking. | 16:12 |
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ajmiller | Unless someone can thing of a valid reason we would want to allow different versions, I think we should restrict them to be the same. | 16:12 |
pc_m | #info Will validate that subnets (local and peer) are of the same IP version for IPSec connections | 16:13 |
ajmiller | Restrictions can be relaxed in the future if appropraite... | 16:13 |
pc_m | #topic Certificates | 16:13 |
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john_a_joyce | pc_m: so if you had a dual stack network you would create two tunnels? | 16:13 |
pc_m | #undo | 16:13 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x965f590> | 16:13 |
pc_m | john_a_joyce: For now yeah. Is that OK? | 16:14 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: I guess it is ok for now if it keeps things simpler | 16:14 |
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john_a_joyce | pc_m: if the restriction will be difficult or impossible to remove later we should think harder about whether it is really needed | 16:15 |
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pc_m | john_a_joyce: Well, two approaches... validate and reject if mixed types, or leave it and some implementation may not work right. | 16:15 |
pc_m | thoughts? | 16:16 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: I am ok rejecting provided it isn't encoded in the API in anyway | 16:16 |
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john_a_joyce | pc_m: we want this to work first | 16:16 |
pc_m | john_a_joyce: It would be part of validation. | 16:16 |
pc_m | not part of API at all. | 16:17 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: probably that is good then reject for now if mixed. You can always create a second tunnel for the Ipv6 subnets. | 16:17 |
sridhar_ram | john_a_joyce: +1 | 16:18 |
pc_m | We could lift it, once we test dual stack (if ever :) | 16:18 |
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john_a_joyce | pc_m: I hope we test dual-stack early - you saw the number v6 presos at the summit | 16:19 |
pc_m | Let's employ the restriction. We can always remove it later, and have a work-around for dual stack. | 16:19 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: ignore that I now understand what you meant | 16:19 |
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pc_m | john_a_joyce: It is true though, there has been little IPv6 testing at all, let alone dual-stack. | 16:20 |
pc_m | Something that is needed across the board. | 16:20 |
pc_m | Any volunteers to write IPv6 tests? :) | 16:21 |
ajmiller | pc_m agreed, the general state of IPv6 testing leaves a lot to be desired. | 16:21 |
pc_m | #topic Certificates | 16:21 |
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pc_m | I did a RFE and am waiting for Drivers Team review. | 16:21 |
pc_m | Been researching it a bit. | 16:21 |
pc_m | Does anyone know what certificate types should be supported? any besides X.509? | 16:22 |
sridhar_ram | pc_am: link for the RFE ? | 16:22 |
* pc_m lacking in knowledge of all the authentication methods for VPN. | 16:22 | |
pc_m | #ilnk https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1459427 | 16:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1459427 in neutron "VPNaaS: Certificate support for IPSec" [Undecided,New] | 16:23 |
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pc_m | Here's the multiple subnet one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1459423 | 16:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1459423 in neutron "VPNaaS: Allow multiple local subnets for IPSec" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:23 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: thanks! | 16:23 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: I may be able to help with the IPv6 tests - so a soft volunteer for now | 16:24 |
pc_m | #action john_a_joyce able to help some with IPv6 tests | 16:24 |
pc_m | thanks john_a_joyce | 16:24 |
pc_m | If anyone has experience with the certificate stuff, please let me know... could use some help there. | 16:25 |
ajmiller | pc_m regarding certificate support, a place to start might be to compare with neutron-lbaas, which at least has a starting point for SSL/TLS certs using Barbican: | 16:25 |
ajmiller | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/SSL | 16:25 |
pc_m | Also, in the future we should probably consider moving the auth info out of the connection object and into another table, so that it can be used by other VPN types. | 16:25 |
pc_m | ajmiller: Yeah, I've been looking at what they have. Seems like TLS X.509 certs | 16:26 |
ajmiller | yes | 16:26 |
pc_m | Just didn't know if there were other certificate types we should handle | 16:27 |
* pc_m heck, not even sure what ones exist :) | 16:27 | |
ajmiller | I don't know either | 16:27 |
pc_m | #action pc_m post to ML asking about certificate support for VPN | 16:27 |
pc_m | Will ask on ML to see. Please chime in, if you have ideas. | 16:28 |
pc_m | #topic DM VPN | 16:28 |
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pc_m | Please look at sridhar_ram's review | 16:28 |
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pc_m | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181563/ | 16:29 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: network-id is the only outstanding item | 16:29 |
sridhar_ram | if you and yanping can sign off on that .. I think we are good (IMO) | 16:29 |
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yanping | Have you looked Open NHRP? How it defines NHRP domain? | 16:30 |
pc_m | I was wondering if tunnel-key can be used for network-id, or if we should have both fields in the database. | 16:30 |
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sridhar_ram | yanping: there is no attr simlar to network-id required for OpenNHRP | 16:30 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: that is perfectly valid usage | 16:31 |
pc_m | sridhar_ram: to combine them? | 16:31 |
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sridhar_ram | pc_m: as I mentioned in the review.. many Cisco dmvpn examples use the same value for both network-id and tunnel key | 16:31 |
pc_m | yanping: Would that work for you? | 16:31 |
yanping | I am not sure about that. | 16:31 |
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sridhar_ram | yanping: I provided a link to Cisco doc.. where all the examples use the same value | 16:32 |
pc_m | #action yanping to see if network-id can use tunnel-key field, or if separate fields are needed | 16:32 |
pc_m | yanping: Made an action item for you :) | 16:32 |
yanping | I’ll take a look and confirm. | 16:32 |
pc_m | yanping: super. then we can close this out. | 16:33 |
pc_m | Anything else on DM VPN? Please check out the spec. | 16:33 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: is there any deadline to have this approved, like L1 ? | 16:33 |
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pc_m | No. No more deadlines. | 16:33 |
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sridhar_ram | pc_m: this being not a RFE is fine ? | 16:34 |
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pc_m | If it is done in time, it goes in. | 16:34 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: that's what I thought, wanted to confirm | 16:34 |
pc_m | sridhar_ram: yes. RFE will be used after L-1. I just did it for mine, as they were new. | 16:34 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: sure | 16:34 |
pc_m | #topic API convergence - BGP VPN | 16:35 |
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pc_m | OK, so I think the goal here is to explore whether or not there is some commonality in BGP VPN and VPNaaS that can be converged. | 16:35 |
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pc_m | We've got about 20 mins. What are our objectives for today? | 16:36 |
matrohon | pc_m : I submitted the use case in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vpn-flavors | 16:36 |
pc_m | matrohon: Thanks! | 16:36 |
matrohon | as other did | 16:36 |
pc_m | Yeah I wanted to mention that. | 16:36 |
pc_m | Feel free to add your thoughts, comments, questions to that etherpad. | 16:37 |
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pc_m | Do we want to try to discuss where there are possible commonalities? | 16:37 |
pc_m | john_a_joyce: matrohon? | 16:37 |
john_a_joyce | There is at least some consensus that there is overlap between the use cases | 16:38 |
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john_a_joyce | certainly not complete overlap | 16:38 |
john_a_joyce | i thought we seemed to be converging that there two aspects - the networking details of what is to be connected | 16:38 |
john_a_joyce | and then details on how the "pipe" is setup to connect them | 16:39 |
matrohon | the only overlap I see for the end user/tenant : he can attach some object to the VPN, but cannot create the VPN | 16:40 |
sridhar_ram | john_a_joyce: yeah, in the "interconnect" from tenant network to PE router seems like a common capability | 16:40 |
john_a_joyce | the current VPNaaS APi seems to have a decent split - the IPSEC tunnel details | 16:40 |
john_a_joyce | and then the subnets | 16:40 |
pc_m | so commonality is the "what is connected"? | 16:42 |
matrohon | we could have the same split with bgpvpn connection, replacing the IPSEC tunnel details, with "the BGPVN tunnel details" | 16:42 |
john_a_joyce | matrohon: that is along the lines of what I was thinking as well | 16:42 |
sridhar_ram | matrohon: yeah, creating a particular PE VPN flavor (BGP in this case) is one basket | 16:43 |
sridhar_ram | *could be in one basket | 16:43 |
sridhar_ram | now the id returned by that 'create' need to 'attached' to neutron network | 16:43 |
john_a_joyce | srihar_ram: +1 | 16:43 |
sridhar_ram | that attachment shd be done in some common way ... | 16:44 |
sridhar_ram | as other PE VPN types would need the exact same thing | 16:44 |
ajmiller | +1 | 16:44 |
john_a_joyce | srihar_ram: exactly my thoughts as well | 16:44 |
matrohon | I'm afraid I'm the only one who doesn't understand clearly previaous sentences :( | 16:45 |
sridhar_ram | matrohon: it will be nice of you can rework BGP VPN along these lines and help to define a common 'interconnect' part that will be awesom | 16:45 |
pc_m | matrohon: I'm digesting them too. | 16:45 |
pc_m | So one part is the details of the tunnel itself. Do we all agree that it is VPN type specific? | 16:46 |
angela-s_ | yes, VPN specific | 16:46 |
* pc_m trying to agree on the simple stuff | 16:46 | |
john_a_joyce | I think it is really splitting it in two: 1: the mechanics of how I connect these elements (networks in this case) | 16:46 |
* pc_m :) | 16:46 | |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: agree ! | 16:47 |
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john_a_joyce | 2: which elements (e.g. networks) the tenant is dealing with | 16:47 |
ajmiller | matrohon I agree with the principle, and think it can be possible, but am by no means fully understanding whether it can actually be done... | 16:47 |
matrohon | pc_m : agree too | 16:47 |
sridhar_ram | pc_m: matrohon: the key difference we are reiterating is the IPSec, and perhaps DMVPN, are directly implemented in the network node .. so the interconnection to neutron network is implicit.. | 16:48 |
sridhar_ram | whereas the PE router based VPN is originated off another box outside OpenStack | 16:48 |
sridhar_ram | the bridge from network-node to this other box need to be codified | 16:49 |
matrohon | sridhar_ram : here, I do not agree : with the bagpipe current implementation, each compute node is seen as a PE | 16:49 |
pc_m | john_a_joyce: Do you mean the "what is connected" is split into two? | 16:49 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: no | 16:49 |
matrohon | sridhar_ram : this is the scope of edge vpn I think | 16:50 |
john_a_joyce | pc_m: same thought as you leave the details of the tunnel separate | 16:50 |
sridhar_ram | matrohon: frankly I don't care the actual vpn type - bgp / edge / something else | 16:51 |
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sridhar_ram | matrohon: with bagpipe being in each compute .. how does the network-node connected to these bagpipe in each compute ? | 16:52 |
matrohon | sridhar_ram : +1 :) but I meant that this is the main diff between edge vpn proposal and the bgpvpn one; | 16:52 |
* sridhar_ram need to understand the bgpvpn driver impl | 16:52 | |
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john_a_joyce | matrohon: I did not understand your last statement | 16:53 |
* pc_m still a bit lost. | 16:54 | |
matrohon | sridhar_ram : it's implem details :) but shortly, as soon as you want to speak to an address learn by bgp, traffic is sent directly to the learn NH, from the compute node | 16:54 |
sridhar_ram | matrohon: NH stands for ? | 16:55 |
matrohon | next hop | 16:55 |
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sridhar_ram | NH is the PE router ? | 16:56 |
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matrohon | I feel we really need to write down some diagram about the ref implem (bagpipe) details :) | 16:56 |
john_a_joyce | matrohon: I think maybe I am starting to understand the challenge | 16:56 |
pc_m | matrohon: Yes please! | 16:56 |
sridhar_ram | matrohon: Yeah, we need a diagram, we need a diagram, we need a diagram! | 16:56 |
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john_a_joyce | most of the other proposals need to specifically get the tunnel/connection details from the user | 16:57 |
matrohon | #action : matrohon to write some diagram of the bagpipe bgpvpn implementation | 16:57 |
pc_m | matrohon: Awesome! | 16:57 |
john_a_joyce | where bagpipe implicitly knows how to send the pack to the NH | 16:57 |
matrohon | john_a_joyce : +1 | 16:57 |
sridhar_ram | I was trying hard to get all dumb questions out .. but failed ;-) | 16:57 |
john_a_joyce | so you only need to know which networks get inter-connected not how the plumbing will interconnect them | 16:58 |
matrohon | john_a_joyce : +1000 | 16:58 |
pc_m | We've about out of time. Can folks add content to the etherpad. I think I understand that one part is the details of the connection, but I don't yet grasp the other part. | 16:58 |
matrohon | this is why the API is so simple | 16:58 |
john_a_joyce | ok - but i still think we can have common ground as the 1 part you need is also needed by all the other csaes as well | 16:59 |
matrohon | bgp will handle control plane details for iinterconnection | 16:59 |
john_a_joyce | let me think about it a bit more and maybe put something in the etherpad | 16:59 |
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pc_m | Please plop down your understanding/questions/notes on the etherpad. We've got to close out. | 17:00 |
pc_m | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 17:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-09-16.04.html | 17:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-09-16.04.txt | 17:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-09-16.04.log.html | 17:00 |
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sridhar_ram | bye all .. nice discussion | 17:00 |
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john_a_joyce | thanks - this was enlighting for me | 17:00 |
dhruvdhody | bye | 17:00 |
ajmiller | bye | 17:00 |
dhruvdhody | time to doze off | 17:00 |
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thinrichs | Hi all. | 17:01 |
thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting. | 17:01 |
masahito_ | hi | 17:01 |
pballand | hi | 17:01 |
thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 17:01:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
thinrichs | masahito_, pballand: hi | 17:02 |
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thinrichs | Let's start with status updates, as usual. | 17:02 |
thinrichs | #topic status | 17:02 |
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thinrichs | pballand: want to get us started? | 17:03 |
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pballand | sure | 17:03 |
pballand | not much to report from last week - just made a mechanical change for oslo-policy | 17:03 |
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pballand | this week I’m looking at adding an API validator to close a but on on errors with invalid API input | 17:04 |
pballand | that’s it for me | 17:04 |
thinrichs | pballand: the oslo_policy change is that we need to reference oslo_policy instead of oslo.policy, correct? | 17:05 |
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pballand | it removes the copy of the oslo policy code from our repo, and uses the (newly created) shared package | 17:05 |
pballand | minor namespace and code changes were also introduced since we last copied the code from oslo | 17:05 |
thinrichs | So then in our requirements.txt we have oslo.policy, but throughout the code we use oslo_policy. Is that right? That seems weird. | 17:06 |
thinrichs | The underscore versus the period, that is. | 17:07 |
pballand | one’s a PIP package name, the other is a python namespace | 17:07 |
thinrichs | Got it. | 17:08 |
pballand | you can talk with the oslo team about their naming conventions, but I don’t know there is much we can do about it | 17:08 |
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thinrichs | The API validator sounds cool. How does the validator know what data to validate? In code, or does it pull in types as API meta-data? | 17:09 |
pballand | I’m planning on adding JSON Schemas for each resource, and validating against that | 17:10 |
thinrichs | Nice! | 17:10 |
pballand | there was a blueprint for that at one point, but I know there is a bug so I was going to do the work in reference to the bug | 17:11 |
pballand | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1367888 | 17:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1367888 in congress "Malformed curl command causes internal error" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Peter Balland (pballand) | 17:11 |
thinrichs | Here's the blueprint. | 17:12 |
thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/api-validation | 17:12 |
thinrichs | I think the bug was a higher-level concern. | 17:12 |
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thinrichs | The bug was that the API framework didn't catch an error during json-loading. | 17:12 |
thinrichs | So that would be before the API-validation would even have a chance to run. | 17:13 |
thinrichs | You could always reference both the bug and the blueprint in the commit message. | 17:13 |
pballand | ok, I believe the fix for that specific concern is already in | 17:14 |
pballand | just need some test code | 17:14 |
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thinrichs | Sounds good. | 17:14 |
thinrichs | Anything else? | 17:15 |
pballand | actually, I just checked, json parsing errors are not caught, so it falls through to the default (500) handler | 17:15 |
pballand | will take care of that | 17:16 |
pballand | nothing else from me | 17:16 |
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thinrichs | Cool. | 17:16 |
thinrichs | masahito_: want to tell us what you've been working on? | 17:16 |
masahito_ | yes | 17:16 |
masahito_ | I've been working on adding test fors api/*.py | 17:17 |
masahito_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1435616 | 17:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1435616 in congress "missing test coverage for datasource api code" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito) | 17:18 |
masahito_ | I couldn't have enough time, so I continue to make a patch for it. | 17:19 |
thinrichs | That'd be great to get those tests moved out of test_congress and into the api/ folder. | 17:19 |
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thinrichs | It was great what you did for the table API. | 17:19 |
masahito_ | I'll upload this patch in this week. | 17:19 |
masahito_ | thank you. | 17:20 |
thinrichs | masahito_: Is there anything you need from the rest of us? | 17:20 |
masahito_ | yes. | 17:21 |
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thinrichs | masahito_: what do you need from us? | 17:22 |
masahito_ | After reading codes, I found out that there is a file which is not used as api in this folder. | 17:23 |
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masahito_ | I wonder if I need to add a test for it or not. | 17:25 |
thinrichs | Which file | 17:25 |
thinrichs | ? | 17:25 |
masahito_ | It is congress/api/datasource_config_model.py | 17:25 |
masahito_ | harness.py creates a service from the file but router.py doesn't set it in a handler. | 17:27 |
thinrichs | Hmmm… | 17:28 |
thinrichs | This is weird. I think I remember asking for the config for a datasource, which I assume is handled by the datasource_config_model. | 17:29 |
alexsyip | I remmber that also. Do you remmeber what the URL was ? | 17:29 |
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thinrichs | I think I was using the client. | 17:30 |
thinrichs | Looking... | 17:31 |
alexsyip | There is a tempest test that uses it. | 17:31 |
alexsyip | The tempest tests are not running right now, but they did before. | 17:31 |
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thinrichs | I can't seem to track this down. I did notice that there's the Driver config that we can check from the client. | 17:33 |
thinrichs | So maybe that's what I am remembering. | 17:33 |
alexsyip | nevermind, it looks like the HA tempest test does not check the config. | 17:34 |
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masahito_ | sorry, my connection was lost. | 17:34 |
thinrichs | masahito_: nothing happened other than alexsyip and I thinking we had used the APi call that you said wasn't hooked up. | 17:35 |
thinrichs | masahito_: but then I found a different config API call that was hooked up and thought that I may have been remembering using that one. | 17:35 |
thinrichs | masahito_: alexsyip said he may have been thinking of something else too. | 17:35 |
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thinrichs | masahito_: maybe you could check if there's a way to query the datasource (not the driver) config, and if not hook up this datasource_config_model to the API properly. | 17:36 |
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masahito_ | ok | 17:36 |
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thinrichs | While we're on the topic of APIs, I wanted to add a note to the spec about the API changes we were considering: /services/ versus /data-sources/ and /policy-engines/. | 17:37 |
thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183959/1/specs/liberty/policy-engine-api.rst | 17:38 |
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thinrichs | At the summit I remember us deciding on the /services/ option, but I don't remember why. | 17:38 |
thinrichs | Does anyone remember? | 17:38 |
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thinrichs | It'd be good to add a note to the spec saying what we decided and WHY. | 17:39 |
thinrichs | pballand: you were leading that discussion. Do you remember? | 17:39 |
pballand | I’l need to dig up my notes | 17:40 |
pballand | but I recall a big reason was to fit with delegation | 17:40 |
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pballand | it also fits more cleanly with the idea that policy-derived tables and plugin-derived tables are used the same way | 17:41 |
thinrichs | Agreed. | 17:43 |
thinrichs | I don't think that was the nail in the coffin though. | 17:43 |
thinrichs | Anyway, if anyone remembers, let's try to add a note to the spec. | 17:43 |
thinrichs | Oops—running a little short on time here. Let's move on to alexsyip. | 17:43 |
thinrichs | alexsyip: want to give us a status update? | 17:44 |
alexsyip | There was a patch to hook up our tempest tests that merged yesterday. | 17:44 |
alexsyip | I was experimenting with that change. It does not seem to be working correctly. | 17:45 |
thinrichs | I noticed it too. The error I saw was not being able to clone nova | 17:45 |
thinrichs | http://logs.openstack.org/13/186113/8/experimental/gate-congress-dsvm-api/33bb0c2/ | 17:45 |
alexsyip | I had been working on a test for duplicate rules in the DB, but the tempest tests have been failing locally for me. | 17:45 |
thinrichs | All the tempest tests or just a couple? | 17:46 |
alexsyip | just the test_ha tests. | 17:46 |
alexsyip | there was some kind of keystone authentication problem. | 17:46 |
alexsyip | But only for write API calls. The datasource tempest tests still pass. | 17:46 |
alexsyip | I suspect it’s a problem with my setup, which is why I wanted the jenkins test to see if they also fail. | 17:47 |
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thinrichs | Ok. Let us know what you find out. | 17:49 |
thinrichs | I'll spend a few cycles trying to figure out why jenkins isn't running the tests properly. | 17:49 |
thinrichs | I'll do a quick status update too…. | 17:50 |
thinrichs | I'm trying to get the sequence of patches for VM-placement delegation merged. | 17:50 |
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thinrichs | The global requirements file changed the package I was using for LP solvers, which caused the test failures. | 17:50 |
thinrichs | I'll get that squared away and uploaded soon. | 17:51 |
thinrichs | alexsyip and masahito_: thanks for the reviews. | 17:51 |
thinrichs | I also completed the task of creating a Tablename object to encapsulate a bunch of table-name manipulation code. Mostly mechanical. | 17:51 |
thinrichs | I was also following a couple of threads about Keystone policy to understand what the keystone team is planning and what Nova is actually requesting in terms of policy. | 17:52 |
thinrichs | Here are a couple of links to the archive. | 17:52 |
thinrichs | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065598.html | 17:52 |
thinrichs | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065598.html | 17:52 |
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thinrichs | I've been looking into whether Keystone would be another good experiment for delegation. | 17:53 |
thinrichs | Since 5 minutes left, I'll open it up for discussion. | 17:54 |
thinrichs | #topic Discussion | 17:54 |
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masahito_ | I have | 17:54 |
masahito_ | Will we have mid cycle meet up? | 17:54 |
thinrichs | masahito_: that's a great question. | 17:55 |
masahito_ | I need to reserve my schedule and budget if we have. | 17:55 |
thinrichs | masahito_: are you interested? I think we'd need to decide on the goals of the meet-up. | 17:55 |
masahito_ | yes | 17:56 |
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thinrichs | Were you thinking a code-sprint (i.e. everyone gets together to hammer out some specific feature or two)? | 17:56 |
thinrichs | Or were you thinking more of a design-session? | 17:56 |
masahito_ | I thought meet up is a code-sprint. | 17:57 |
thinrichs | In the past, we did more of a policy conference. | 17:58 |
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thinrichs | But a code-sprint sounds good too. | 17:58 |
thinrichs | Did you have a feature or features in mind? | 17:58 |
thinrichs | Time check: 2 min | 17:59 |
thinrichs | 1 min | 17:59 |
masahito_ | I want congress get scaling out feature | 17:59 |
thinrichs | I could definitely see us spending a day or two hammering on performance/scale-out. | 18:00 |
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thinrichs | Let's finish this discussion on the ML, to guage interest. | 18:00 |
thinrichs | We're out of time for this week. | 18:00 |
thinrichs | Thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
masahito_ | Should we go to congress room to discuss it? | 18:00 |
thinrichs | masahito_: sounds good. | 18:00 |
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thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 18:00:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
masahito_ | Thank you. | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-06-09-17.01.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-06-09-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-06-09-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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terrylhowe | sdk meeting today? | 19:01 |
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briancurtin | terrylhowe i thought we'd skip since nothing came up to talk about | 19:01 |
terrylhowe | briancurtin: sounds good, back to the sdk room I guess | 19:02 |
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