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| pc_m | hi | 16:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | hi | 16:00 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Hi Paul | 16:00 |
| ramanjaneya | Hi | 16:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:01 |
| ajmiller | Good Day! | 16:01 |
| pc_m | mhanif: sridhar_ram: yanping: ramanjaneya: ajmiller: matrohon hi! | 16:01 |
| pc_m | will start ina min. | 16:01 |
| yanping | Hi | 16:01 |
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| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 16:02:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 16:02 |
| pc_m | The agenda is on the Wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VPNaaS | 16:02 |
| pc_m | Lot's to cover today... | 16:02 |
| pc_m | #announcements | 16:02 |
| pc_m | Neutron Mid-cycle is next week. | 16:03 |
| pc_m | I'll be travelling and won't be able to run meeting. Anyone want to run the meeting, or do we want to skip a week? | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | pc_m: I can run the mtg if there an Agenda | 16:04 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Thanks! We can fill out agenda items for you. | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: sure | 16:05 |
| pc_m | Anyone have any other announcements w.r.t. VPNaaS? | 16:05 |
| pc_m | #action sridhar_ram will chair meeting next week (6/23) | 16:05 |
| pc_m | #topic Multiple local subnets | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple local subnets (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:06 | |
| pc_m | I've made up Dev Ref pages for this feature and it is out for review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/2 | 16:06 |
| pc_m | Please look at this, which has some design ideas for the multiple local subnet. | 16:07 |
| pc_m | Of big importance, is a proposal to break the connection API into two, one for the IPSec connection details (as is currently), and one for the endpoint pairs. | 16:07 |
| pc_m | The latter is intended to separate the "what" gets connected from the "how" to connect. The goal here is that we could use this for other VPN types. | 16:08 |
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| pc_m | Would like to see community opinion on this ASAP, so we can start on it. | 16:09 |
| john_a_joyce | pc_m: I like the proposal although have not added the comment yet | 16:09 |
| pc_m | john_a_joyce: cool. Looking forward to feedback. | 16:09 |
| pc_m | Would like to see if this could be used for BGP VPN too. | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: will add it to my review queue.. overall agree w/ the approach | 16:09 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Thanks. mhanif, matrohon, and other BGP and edge VPN folks check it out! | 16:11 |
| pc_m | #topic certificates | 16:11 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : I'll do, thanks | 16:11 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: Thanks! | 16:11 |
| pc_m | I did the action item and posted a ML question on certificates. No response yet. :( | 16:11 |
| pc_m | This one too, I'm proposing breaking out an API for auth credentials, so that it can be used by other VPN flavors. | 16:12 |
| pc_m | So, instead of the connection specifying a PSK or UUID of a certificate, it would specify an auth credential UUID, and that credential would have all the info. Could share it by multiple connections too. | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: do we have a liason or point of contact in Barbican who can help to consult on this ? | 16:13 |
| pc_m | Only have a bug on this, no dev ref yet. https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1459427 | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459427 in neutron "VPNaaS: Certificate support for IPSec" [Undecided,Triaged] | 16:14 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: I've talked to Brandon and Doug. I think there is a person named Phil as well to contact. | 16:14 |
| ajmiller | pc_m I am interested in the certificate question but am woefully behind on email. | 16:14 |
| pc_m | There was a summit talk on Barbican users, and LBaaS team spoke of what they did. | 16:15 |
| ajmiller | pc_m That would be Phil Toohill (ptoohill in IRC). He did much of the LBaaS barbican integration. | 16:16 |
| pc_m | I suspect that, out of the gate, we'll do X.509 certificates. | 16:16 |
| pc_m | ajmiller: Thanks | 16:16 |
| pc_m | Summit link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihsQJL-tFxI&t=8m42s | 16:17 |
| ajmiller | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihsQJL-tFxI&t=8m42s | 16:17 |
| ajmiller | ^^that will post the link in the meeting minutes. | 16:17 |
| pc_m | Essentially one creates the certificate and container in Barbican and then can use it in VPN. | 16:18 |
| pc_m | ajmiller: Thanks. I forgot the link | 16:18 |
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| pc_m | Anyone interested in working on the certificate stuff, let me know. | 16:19 |
| * pc_m working on, leading, helping, etc... | 16:19 | |
| pc_m | #topic DM VPN | 16:19 |
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| pc_m | There was an action item for yanping on network-id being able to use tunnel-key. yanping? | 16:20 |
| pc_m | Is that resolved (I think so)? | 16:20 |
| yanping | correct. Think it is solved in the spec review | 16:20 |
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| yanping | resolved | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: yanping: yeah, we took care of it in the spec | 16:21 |
| pc_m | Everyone please help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181563/ | 16:21 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: anything else on DM VPN? | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | sridhar_ram: Similar to certificate, I'd like to invite folks interested to participate in the implementation | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: nothing else from the spec point of view | 16:23 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: okey dokey | 16:23 |
| pc_m | #topic BGP/MPLS and Edge VPN. | 16:23 |
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| pc_m | There were a few action items from last week. matrohon did you get a chance to do a drawing for bagpipe? | 16:23 |
| matrohon | I did not make any progress on the drawing, sorry, but I still have that in my todo list! | 16:24 |
| pc_m | matrohon: super. looking forward to it. | 16:24 |
| pc_m | I'll open the floor to continuation on discussion on this. I'd be interested in hearing about whether we can separate out the what and how for VPN and use it for different flavors of VPN. | 16:25 |
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| pc_m | The endpoint pair proposal is one thought on that. I'd like to hear others and see if there is some commonality there. | 16:26 |
| mhanif | Folks, at a high level, for L2/L3 VPNs we have two distinct functionalities to address | 16:26 |
| mhanif | One is provisioning of a VPN and other is to bind a Neutron network to it. Agreed? | 16:27 |
| john_a_joyce | agreed | 16:27 |
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| mhanif | In that sense, should we try to combine our efforts to address them in a manner which resolves all use cases | 16:28 |
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| john_a_joyce | I think pc_m proposal in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/2 might be a start along those lines | 16:29 |
| pc_m | mhanif: Can you add that to the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vpn-flavors | 16:29 |
| john_a_joyce | it breaks it up in two | 16:29 |
| mhanif | I see the provisioning as an admin task while binding task could be handed over to the tenant as well | 16:29 |
| pc_m | mhanif: at your leisure. | 16:29 |
| john_a_joyce | I believe as you were thinking although in that case it is IPSEC for the tunnel | 16:29 |
| mhanif | pc_m: I have added to the vpn-flavors. Will make it more clear there | 16:30 |
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| pc_m | mhanif: thanks! good to know the use cases. | 16:30 |
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| pc_m | mhanif: Take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/2/doc/source/devref/multiple-local-subnets.rst, option B. | 16:31 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Sure will do. | 16:31 |
| pc_m | mhanif: I'm hoping it may be massaged to work for your binding case. | 16:31 |
| mhanif | Hence, I would like to propose that we have generic APIs to address what I just described | 16:31 |
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| matrohon | do you see the Edge vpn API as a way to provision and the BGPVPN API a way to bind networks? | 16:32 |
| mhanif | APIs which are not limited to one type of VPN or any one of Neutron network | 16:32 |
| mhanif | matrohon: Edge VPN API spec addresses both | 16:33 |
| mhanif | I need to separate them out and make them two spec | 16:33 |
| matrohon | mhanif : ok, make sense | 16:33 |
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| mhanif | The other spec will be inline with what BGP VPN spec talks about | 16:33 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: The binding spec will again be addressing all varieties of networks | 16:35 |
| john-a-joyce | cool - so it seems like we pretty much have a consensus on the functional split | 16:35 |
| john-a-joyce | we just need to hammer out the details so all the use cases can be hit | 16:35 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: mhanif: Let me know if you think the vpn-endpoint-pair API could handle the binding. | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | +1 for split it this way | 16:36 |
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| mhanif | john-a-joyce: agreed | 16:36 |
| pc_m | +1 | 16:37 |
| matrohon | pc_m : your current proposal attach vpn services to a router | 16:37 |
| pc_m | I was trying to adapt the vpn-endpoint-pair for the binding and the ipsec-site-connection for IPSec provisioning. | 16:38 |
| pc_m | matrohon: only because that was the original approach. Trying to modify that, in a backward compatible way (hopefully). | 16:39 |
| pc_m | The vpn-endpoint-pair API would allow routers, networks, cidrs, vlan, route-targets, etc. as endpoints. | 16:39 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : I'm not sure it is useful; I don't really see how endpoitns pair match bgp vpns | 16:42 |
| mhanif | pc_m: sridhar_ram: Edge VPN calls it an attachment circuit in its spec | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | mhanif: I see | 16:43 |
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| pc_m | mhanif: Would that make sense for naming with IPSec or other VPN types? I was trying to pick something generic. Would like to hear suggestions in the review comments. | 16:44 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Could we create an endpoint pair, with the peer being route targets (imported)? | 16:45 |
| mhanif | The VPN construct becomes the provider/keeper of the circuit/endpoint. | 16:45 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Sure. Will review the spec and provide comments | 16:46 |
| matrohon | pc_m : I have to think about it; | 16:46 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : I feel that API would result in a complex matrix with type supported by only few of connection types | 16:47 |
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| mhanif | Connection type can be abstracted out as a UUID | 16:48 |
| pc_m | I think the goals in the review are.... A) is it better to try to split out the what from the how, as part of the multiple local subnet work, B) would that work for other VPN types, and C) do we have a reasonable naming and capabilities with it. | 16:48 |
| john-a-joyce | matrohon: I guess that is the tradeoff we have to decide | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | pc_m: agree, striking the right abstraction to accommodate different "type" of VPN is the goal | 16:49 |
| john-a-joyce | do we want a more common API and the connection types would support all the cases | 16:49 |
| john-a-joyce | or have APIs for each different type of connection | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | matrohon: mhanif: pc_am: can we abstract current implicit assumption that VPN is associated with neutron-router | 16:50 |
| pc_m | john-a-joyce: good summary | 16:51 |
| matrohon | sridhar_ram : may be by putting the router in the local type? | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | instead associate with a generic "vpn-target" | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | neutron-router-id being one of the target or PE-router-id where the "vpn" got created | 16:53 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: the local type would be cidr for IPSec to indicate the near end subnet(s). | 16:54 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : I see | 16:55 |
| mhanif | sridhar_ram: The router where VPN is created may not have been abstracted out in Neutron | 16:55 |
| matrohon | mhanif : +1 | 16:55 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: For IPSec you'd have local and peer subnets describing the what. | 16:55 |
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| pc_m | Also, the router is at a little higher level, as it applies to all connections for the service. | 16:56 |
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| pc_m | Do we need the vpn-service API for IPSec as a container for the connections (and specify the router)? | 16:56 |
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| pc_m | In any case, we're about out of time. Please comment on the review, which although is for multiple local subnets, is trying to do so in a manner that is looking ahead, if possible. If not, we can do option A, but I'd like to try to do more (and not have to churn on the API later). | 16:58 |
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| pc_m | Thanks for the great discussion on this! | 16:58 |
| matrohon | pc_m : not sure to understand : you mean moving the router_id in ipsec-site-connection-create | 16:59 |
| matrohon | ok thanks | 16:59 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: no, was thinking to keep it on the vpn-service API and use that as a container for connections (which it sort of is today) for IPSec. | 16:59 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Lt's continue on neutron IRC... | 16:59 |
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| pc_m | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 17:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-16-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-16-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-06-16-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. Time for the Congress meeting. | 17:00 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 17:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs | We'll get started as usual with status updates. | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs | alexsyip: want to start? | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: how about you? | 17:03 |
| alexsyip | I was working a bit on the tempest tests, but have been working on something else for a little while. | 17:03 |
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| alexsyip | I want to return to working on HA this week. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | masahito: hang on—alexsyip is here | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: that patch to get the python client into global requirements hasn't merged. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190669/ | 17:04 |
| alexsyip | yeah I saw that. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | It got a +2 and then someone else changed the line above ours, and so there was a merge conflict. | 17:04 |
| alexsyip | Are you just waiting for a code review? | 17:05 |
| alexsyip | Maybe you can prod someone on IRC to do a quick review. You need two reviews. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | Yep. For everyone else… we were trying to get the tempest tests working, but the congress-python client wasn't getting installed. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | So we tried adding it to the requirements.txt to see if the tempest tests would start running properly in gate. | 17:06 |
| alexsyip | I’m going to take a shot when we finally get the tempest test working again. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | But the client wasn't on the approved requirements list, so it failed. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | Now we're waiting on getting the client approved to the requirements list. In the meantime we should be trying to figure out how to get the client installed with devstack properly. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: I'm not even sure who to ping. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | Maybe infra? | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | Or is that the TC? Anyone know? | 17:07 |
| alexsyip | Yeah, I would try that IRC room first. | 17:07 |
| alexsyip | infra would know who needs to review it. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | I'll work on that again today. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | #action thinrich will work on getting python-congressclient approved for general-requirements | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: anything else? | 17:09 |
| alexsyip | No, not much this week. | 17:09 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: want to give a status update? | 17:10 |
| masahito | ok | 17:10 |
| masahito | I pushed unit tests of api directory. | 17:10 |
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| masahito | I'll make a patch to correct nova:host datasources | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | masahito: those were great tests! Much better coverage than we previously had. | 17:12 |
| masahito | The table doesn't show host information now. It only shows nova service list. | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: sounds good | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | masahito: need anything from us? | 17:13 |
| masahito | thinrichs: thanks. I found some strange behavior in responses, so I'll also patch it. | 17:14 |
| masahito | everything is now ok. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | It'd be great if you could file a bug for those so it's easy to see what problems you're fixing. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: the other thing we talked about in #congress after last week's meeting was a mid-cycle code sprint. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | masahito: want to summarize for everyone what we discussed? | 17:15 |
| masahito | ok. I try it. | 17:16 |
| masahito | we discussed mid-cycle code sprint which foucus to add scaling-out features to congress. | 17:18 |
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| masahito | first of all, I think we seems to change DSE to using RPC to get scaling feature. | 17:20 |
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| masahito | My idea is that we'll disscous the details of the change and write code of it in the code sprint. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | How does that sound to everyone? | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: pballand: ping | 17:24 |
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| alexsyip | I’m in favor of replacing the DSE bus. | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: I am in favor of augmenting the functionality of our message bus to work both within the process and outside the process. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | It would be good to make the bus work fast within the process, which DSE is fine at. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | But I don't care if we keep DSE itself and add inter-process messages, or we replace DSE entirely (as long as messages within the same process are fast). | 17:27 |
| pballand | thinrichs: hey - sorry | 17:27 |
| alexsyip | If we switch to using RPC for same-machine communication, the server will benefit by having multiple processes. | 17:27 |
| pballand | I’m also in favor of replacing DSE | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: good point | 17:28 |
| alexsyip | I don’t think there’s much cost to using RPC over the shared queue in a single process. | 17:28 |
| alexsyip | Using RPC will require us to manage two processes though. Today there is just one process to manage. | 17:28 |
| pballand | long-term, scaling out is the necessary path, so going RPC makes sense | 17:29 |
| pballand | agree that there should be minimal overhead for in-process RPC | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | Would it make sense to use RPCs to have multiple DSEs communicate? | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | That is, put one DSE in one process and another DSE in another process (or on a different box), and use RPC to communicate? | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | We might be able to implement that by adding a new DSE node to each of the DSEs. | 17:30 |
| pballand | don’t care wheter we call it DSE, but each process needs a message bus and an broker | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | Those new DSE nodes just happen to get their data over RPC/HTTP/whatever. | 17:30 |
| alexsyip | splitting out every DSE process will require even more management. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | Ok. Seems there's a lot to consider here. | 17:31 |
| alexsyip | Maybe it wouldn’t be that bad. | 17:31 |
| pballand | suggest we keep multiple greenthreads communicating over bus in a single process, but add broker to external processes | 17:31 |
| alexsyip | One process for each driver, and one process for each policy engine. | 17:31 |
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| thinrichs | Is a mid-cycle sprint the right way to come to agreement and get the code written? | 17:31 |
| pballand | that allows single-process runtime in the simple case | 17:32 |
| pballand | thinrichs: that makes sense to me | 17:32 |
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| alexsyip | thinrichs: do you mean a summit? | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: yep but in the middle of the cycle with just the Congress team | 17:34 |
| alexsyip | Yes, I think we can make a decision there. | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | 1-2 days where we huddle around the whiteboard, get the design ironed out, and hopefully even get the code written | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | So we'll need to figure out logistics: where and when. Let's do that via the mailing list. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | Anyone want to spearhead the logistics? | 17:35 |
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| masahito | for the change? | 17:36 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: to email the list, guage interest, figure out where and when to host it | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | ok. I'll take care of it. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | #action thinrichs will email the ML to ask about the mid-cycle code sprint | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | running a bit short on time. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | pballand: status update? | 17:39 |
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| pballand | not much to report - one bug fix out for review | 17:40 |
| pballand | have a +2, just trying to get devstack to work (again) before pushing | 17:40 |
| pballand | working on API validation | 17:41 |
| pballand | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190761 | 17:41 |
| pballand | that’s it for me | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | If anyone wants to take a look at that code, do it soon. We'll push it in in the next day or two. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | pballand: thanks. | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs | I'll do a quick status update. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | I was looking at the datasource driver code and had a quick question. | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs | When translating an API result into tables using our translator-language, do we have the ability to pass a function that returns an ID for an object? | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs | I didn't see one, so I was thinking about adding it. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | Any reason not to? alexsyip | 17:44 |
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| alexsyip | Does extract-fn work? | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | Not sure. Maybe I missed that. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | Does that only apply when extracting a Value? | 17:46 |
| alexsyip | extract-fn operates on a single value | 17:47 |
| alexsyip | So if the object is a dict, extract-fn would operate on obj[‘fieldname’] | 17:47 |
| alexsyip | Do you want something that operates on obj or obj[‘fieldname’] ? | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | Something that operates on obj | 17:47 |
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| alexsyip | Does obj also have other fields ? | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | Yes | 17:48 |
| alexsyip | that you want to extract ? | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | Yes | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | I basically want to construct the ID for the object as the combination of some of its fields. | 17:48 |
| alexsyip | I don’t think extract-fn would apply then. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | That was my take too. | 17:48 |
| alexsyip | It makes sense to add something else then. | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Ok. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Back to my status report. | 17:49 |
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| thinrichs | I'm planning to start working on look at integrating Congress with CloudFoundry. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | I have no clue what is involved with that, so it'll be exploratory for sure. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | By 'integrating' I mean integrating proactive enforcement... | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | so that API calls into CloudFoundry can be gated on Congress. | 17:51 |
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| thinrichs | The other thing that's happening next week is a 15 minute video Congress update. | 17:52 |
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| thinrichs | From what I understand, all the PTLs are doing it. We're all being scheduled. | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | We're supposed to focus on the upcoming features for Liberty. | 17:53 |
| thinrichs | I figured a 2 minute overview, followed by an update would be good. | 17:53 |
| thinrichs | Here is the list of things that people have signed up for and that I think we should be doing. | 17:53 |
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| thinrichs | ◦Reactive enforcement (protection, action-listing, more interface implementations) | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | ◦HA, performance | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | ◦Delegation (to Keystone), Cloudfoundry: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | ◦datasource rule contribs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/datasource-rule-contributions | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | ◦oslo.messaging https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/integrate-oslo-messaging | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | The oslo.messaging one conceptually includes our discussion about DSE earlier in the meeting. | 17:54 |
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| thinrichs | The datasource rule contribs blueprint is not really worth mentioning, I suppose, since it's so low-level compared to the others. | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | The Delegation one is the biggest questionmark. | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | Perhaps that should be called 'Integration with other systems'. | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | Is there anything else we should include on the list? | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | Okay, we're out of time. If there are features missing from that list that we should highlight, let me know. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 18:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-06-16-17.01.html | 18:00 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 19:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the SDK meeting, say hi | 19:00 |
| tpatil | hi | 19:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 19:00 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | #topic Expose 'get_x_openstack_request_id' method in all OpenStack clients api bindings | 19:01 |
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| tpatil | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+spec/expose-get-x-openstack-request-id | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | so tpatil first thing with this is that we dont work on any of the projects you listed | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | so we can maybe do something about this within SDK, but you'd have to talk to those projects to get them to do anything about it | 19:02 |
| tpatil | in the last meeting, Doug suggested to talk with SDK team to get this done in the python-*clients. | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | yeah that's not us | 19:02 |
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| briancurtin | tpatil: for example, if you want python-cinderclient changed, you'll have to talk to the cinder team | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | best I can think is the last request id gets saved in the session | 19:03 |
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| tpatil | we want to add this support to all clients, so do you recommend we should talk with all respective team to get this job done. | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | tpatil: yes | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | you could tslk to us as well though | 19:04 |
| tpatil | ok,I will do that. Thanks. | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | tpatil: i mean we can do this for OpenStack SDK, but if you want other projects changed you'll have to talk to them | 19:05 |
| etoews | we're a pretty good starting point though | 19:05 |
| tpatil | Ok, Let me explain | 19:05 |
| tpatil | right now, X-openstack-request-id is not returned by the client to the caller. | 19:05 |
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| tpatil | If X-openstack-request-id is available with the user, it will be easy for the service provider to trace any issue by looking at the log messages and respond user quickly with appropriate reasoning | 19:06 |
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| briancurtin | tpatil: yep, i read the blueprint, and we can do that in our project, but it doesn't seem to be the one you're actually looking for | 19:06 |
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| tpatil | braincurtin: To get this started, what do you recommend we should be doing? | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | tpatil: i would start by talking to the projects that you would like to have modified | 19:07 |
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| tpatil | briancurtin: Ok, I will create blueprint for each of the project and talk with the team individually then. | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | tpatil: sounds good. we'll keep an eye on the one you submitted and can probably add the feature fairly easily. we already had something similar logging transaction ids for object storage | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | #topic Roadmap to 1.0 | 19:10 |
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| briancurtin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sdk_road_to_1.0 | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1465817 | 19:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465817 in OpenStack SDK "Provide method to get latest request id" [Undecided,New] | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | so it is tracked | 19:10 |
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| briancurtin | tpatil: ^ | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | in order to keep track of all of the things we're planning on doing, and making sure they get done, i started throwing together all of the things I think we want to get nailed down in order to call ourselves a 1.0 | 19:11 |
| tpatil | briancurtin: sounds good. I will follow up with this bug | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | if anyone has stuff to add, feel free. it's mostly a topic list for right now, and then we can talk about prioritizing once we have everything on the table | 19:11 |
| tpatil | I will include all projects to this bug and start submitting patches, is that ok? | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | I plan to be done with the functional tests this week. Of course it will take a little while to work thought the pipe | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | sure thing tpatil thanks | 19:12 |
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| etoews | do we also want to start taking the steps towards becoming part of the "big tent"? | 19:13 |
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| tpatil | terrylhowe: Good, thanks | 19:13 |
| briancurtin | etoews: is tehre any good reading on what that actually means? | 19:13 |
| etoews | i was going to go have a look for that right now. | 19:14 |
| briancurtin | i know the repo changes from stackforge to openstack but i couldnt care less about that | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | as far as big tent, I’d like to see some POC first probably starting with OSC | 19:15 |
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| terrylhowe | Once I get the functional tests done, I should be free to try something | 19:15 |
| etoews | briancurtin: i know it's not a big deal to you but it's a visibility thing for the project. | 19:15 |
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| etoews | what i've found so far #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | etoews: i can put aside my non-caring for governance if it actually matters, but i guess i just havent seen that it does | 19:16 |
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| etoews | imo, it's just one piece of the puzzle. is it an absolute necessity? probably not but i think it would be good to have that piece for a more complete picture. | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: one thing i'm going to start hacking on soon is building support into Ansible that uses SDK instead of pyrax. i had talked to jesse keating a bit after our talk at the summit and he wants to see that as well (i think he's the maintainer of ansible openstack/rackspace support) | 19:19 |
| etoews | the more important stuff is what's on the roadmap. | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | ansible would be a good one briancurtin | 19:20 |
| etoews | briancurtin: is that a pre or post 1.0 thing? | 19:21 |
| etoews | anything that gets used in ansible should be a priority to be functional tested. | 19:22 |
| briancurtin | etoews: pre, at least to see where we're at so we build a nice 1.0 beyond building it based on the toy-ish apps we've been using to test out apis and whatnot | 19:22 |
| briancurtin | and yeah, should be functionally tested | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | I guess as a final step to the functional tests, I need to finish up generalizing them so they can run in many environments | 19:23 |
| briancurtin | once we get caught up on functional tests, any code change should require both unit and functional tests. and docs too, so those don't lag behind either | 19:23 |
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| etoews | should we take a stab at prioritizing the work in the roadmap? | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i wonder if we can setup a coverage job to compare functional tests to the proxies? | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | that would be nice, no idea how to do that | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | etoews: is everything in that list that you all want to have prioritized? | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | some things are not going to be practical for automated tests | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | I just threw what I know and want to see worked on | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | And now I'm on mobile because my home internet is flaking out... | 19:27 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: which things? | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | some operations might be too difficult to functional test, like will we have an instance big enough to fire up a database for example | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure | 19:28 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: that's why it will be nice to be able to have it run in many envs, including hp and rackspace. | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | yes, definitely | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | part of the config I’d like to have for the tests is enable/disable for some tests | 19:30 |
| etoews | having a full public cloud behind it will make doing more complicated/intensive things easier than with devstack. | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | etoews terrylhowe as for prioritizing things, my first thought was to turn that list into launchpad bugs targeted at 1.0 and just use the importance categories. then if you're going to work on one, assign it to yourself -- we haven't been using assignments or importance very much | 19:30 |
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| terrylhowe | sounds good briancurtin | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | I find the bugs easier to go through than blueprints | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | atm we don’t have too many relatively | 19:31 |
| etoews | sgtm | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | i'm going to look up how we can switch to numbered milestones instead of the names, and keep the niceties that doug mentioned about the release script closing out bugs and whatnot | 19:33 |
| briancurtin | that'll make this stuff easier to track to match up with versions we're actually releasing | 19:33 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: im going to check with -infra if we can just tag a release and go and have it just work fine. this should probably be 0.6 since we've changed a bunch of names around. is there anything else we want to get in there? | 19:39 |
| briancurtin | one more renaming that i might want to squeeze in is volume to block_store (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190233/) but it's in a merge conflict so i'll adjust it right after this | 19:40 |
| briancurtin | we still have the keystore/keymanager/keywhatever to think about as well | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | yeh I was about to mention keymanager | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | and maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1465813 | 19:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465813 in OpenStack SDK "Neutron docs say router:external by implementations use router_type" [Undecided,New] | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | wrong thing there | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | I meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188622/ | 19:41 |
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| briancurtin | yep, etoews that one's good, just needs an update ^ | 19:42 |
| etoews | i'm trying to figure out what the hell i did there and why it's in merge conflict. | 19:43 |
| etoews | i think i based it on another branch of mine but i haven't tracked that other branch down yet. | 19:44 |
| etoews | i'll figure it out right after this. | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | not all of that is required and most other things can wait I think | 19:45 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: what should we do on key manager? im not really worried about consistency with what other things call this type of thing when we have to worry about we call everything else in the openstack space | 19:46 |
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| etoews | with the rename of the project...it that just for python packaging or are we renaming the git repo and launchpad site too? | 19:48 |
| terrylhowe | I’m flexible on the key-manager vs key-management thing | 19:48 |
| briancurtin | etoews: just the PyPI package name for right now. it might make sense to rename the git repo but i would just save that for if we ever have to move the git repo, such as under /openstack | 19:49 |
| etoews | agreed | 19:49 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: key_management follows that projects.yaml file, but it still reads fine as "the key manager service". i don't love key_manager but it's not really confusing anything by having it | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | in the context of git, I think it makes some sense to have python- | 19:50 |
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| briancurtin | as long as its clearly identifiable what the service is, and it's not a code name, and it's at least very close to formal definitions of what the thing is, it's probably fine | 19:51 |
| etoews | my preference is to go with naming similar to what's in https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml | 19:53 |
| briancurtin | etoews: we started with key_manager as requested by doug from barbican, but i suggested key_management per that file and terry updated it, but doug then -1'ed that change set | 19:54 |
| etoews | it's the closest thing we have to a source of truth | 19:55 |
| briancurtin | etoews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187716/ | 19:55 |
| etoews | :( | 19:55 |
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| etoews | i guess we can see if doug wants to update projects.yaml... | 19:56 |
| etoews | otherwise it just inconsistent for no good reason | 19:56 |
| etoews | s/it/it's/ | 19:57 |
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| terrylhowe | sounds reasonable to me | 19:57 |
| briancurtin | yeah. if we're creating this to give people consistency, we really should stick with it. if we have to concede this isn't the end of the world in a naming sense, so it's not terrible, but i'll follow up there | 19:57 |
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| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-06-16-19.00.html | 20:01 |
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