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| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 14:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:00 |
| moshele | hi | 14:00 |
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| ajo | hi ;) , let's leave a couple of minutes for people to join | 14:00 |
| ajo | hi moshele :) | 14:00 |
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| ajo | hi irenab :) | 14:00 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | Hi ajo | 14:00 |
| ajo | hi Ramanjaneya_ :) | 14:00 |
| mohankumar | HI Ajo | 14:01 |
| ajo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-jun-17-2015 | 14:02 |
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| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-jun-17-2015 | 14:02 |
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| ajo | ok, we can probably start (ping sc68cal , ) :) | 14:02 |
| irenab | hi | 14:02 |
| ajo | We don't have an specific agenda for today, I just planned to track the ongoing work | 14:02 |
| ajo | hi mohankumar | 14:03 |
| ajo | #topic ongoing work status | 14:03 |
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| ihrachyshka | o/ | 14:03 |
| ajo | hi ihrachyshka :) | 14:03 |
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| ajo | irenab was willing to take some tasks from the service plugin / api, and I have to split that work | 14:04 |
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| ajo | afterwards I will write some actual code for the generic rpc callbacks, to see how they fit | 14:04 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/190635 | 14:04 |
| ajo | Ramanjaneya_, any update on your side? | 14:05 |
| vhoward | sorry for joining late everyone, i'll ping sc68cal | 14:05 |
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| vhoward | i have a spec that we are drafting and would def appreciate feedback on for dscp that is very similar to your bandwidth spec, let me find the link | 14:05 |
| ajo | have you had time for looking into the DB models / etc? otherwise we need to look for help on that to not block the service plugin/api | 14:05 |
| ajo | vhoward, nice! | 14:06 |
| vhoward | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190285/ | 14:06 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | ajo, Qos neutron client changes completed.. | 14:06 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189655/ | 14:06 |
| ajo | vhoward, we're setting everything under the topic neutron-qos to find them all together: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:neutron-qos,n,z could you update your topic? :) | 14:06 |
| vhoward | i −1'd us until we are out of draft mode or get enough feedback to make it official | 14:06 |
| ajo | vhoward thanks :) | 14:07 |
| vhoward | also i still need to link as a dependency to the main qos api spec/blueprint | 14:07 |
| ajo | ahh thanks Ramanjaneya_ , I see a new patchset, I will review | 14:07 |
| vhoward | we hope to finalize monday but appreciate feedback until then | 14:07 |
| vhoward | yes i can update my topic, thanks ajo | 14:08 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190285/ | 14:08 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189655/ | 14:08 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:neutron-qos,n,z | 14:08 |
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| ajo | Ramanjaneya_, do you have time to look into the db models, or shall we look for help there? , not sure if you irenab could be available to speedup that part while I split | 14:09 |
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| ajo | also, if we use the generic rpc, we may put a versionedobject layer on top of the models | 14:10 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | Yes ajo..We will check DB model. vikram also might come this Friday | 14:10 |
| ajo | Ramanjaneya_, ack, it's on the critical path, because it's needed by other parts, so we shall resolve that very fast | 14:10 |
| ajo | Ramanjaneya_, looking at the client side, I'd look into how to make all the arguments that go after --type, dependent on the type we provide, | 14:11 |
| ajo | if that's even possible | 14:11 |
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| ajo | for 1 type, it's ok | 14:12 |
| ajo | but we don't want the help to show 200 arguments for all the available rule types | 14:12 |
| ajo | being all optional then.. | 14:12 |
| ajo | but let's discuss that on the client code review | 14:13 |
| ajo | we also need sc68cal to set the experimental job when he can, so we can run with the service plugin properly installed | 14:13 |
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| Ramanjaneya_ | OK Ajo .. will take irenab help and focus this on priority | 14:14 |
| vhoward | k updated the topic ajo, thanks | 14:14 |
| gsagie | hello | 14:14 |
| ajo | hi gsagie :) | 14:14 |
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| ajo | gsagie also offered help, | 14:15 |
| ajo | gsagie, did you have time to look at moshele work? | 14:15 |
| ajo | moshele, how's that progressing? I like how it looks | 14:15 |
| moshele | ajo: I didn't progress match for the latest patchset I posted | 14:16 |
| moshele | from | 14:16 |
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| ajo | vhoward, btw, since recently you need to submit an RFE and slimmed down spec (looking for the link from last neutron meeting) | 14:16 |
| gsagie | not yet, i will only be available next week, but talked with moshele in the Israeli Openstack and offered to also help on that | 14:16 |
| gsagie | the original plan was to start making the OVS agent implementation | 14:16 |
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| ajo | gsagie, ok, probably it makes sense to develop the library bits to handle QoS independenlty, and then we plug them in the agent logic design? | 14:17 |
| gsagie | yep | 14:17 |
| ajo | gsagie, (just thinking about isolating your work so you can make progress) | 14:17 |
| gsagie | thats what i had in mind | 14:17 |
| ajo | gsagie++ | 14:17 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:17 |
| gsagie | i will have something ready for the sprint | 14:17 |
| gsagie | so we can work on hooking things up | 14:18 |
| ajo | vhoward, the new RFE process: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/blueprints.rst | 14:18 |
| ajo | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/blueprints.rst | 14:18 |
| vhoward | ajo: ah okay thanks for the info on RFE and slimmed down spec | 14:18 |
| vhoward | we will get on that | 14:18 |
| gsagie | ajo: you had a link with some of your experiments with OVS, could you resend it? | 14:19 |
| ajo | vhoward, it's just cutting down the spec, and filling a bug, | 14:19 |
| ajo | vhoward but feel free to proceed with the code when you see it's possible even if not approved, as we said, so it will be in shape to merge as soon as possible :) | 14:19 |
| vhoward | works for me just wanna make sure we do it correctly | 14:19 |
| ajo | vhoward, but I know general QoS work is blocking that :) | 14:19 |
| ajo | vhoward, ack, I will read the current spec and comment | 14:19 |
| ajo | gsagie, sure, 1 sec | 14:20 |
| vhoward | hopefully we can help some with that also ;D | 14:20 |
| ajo | gsagie: https://github.com/mangelajo/ovs-experiments/blob/master/qos/qos_traffic_shapping.sh | 14:20 |
| ajo | #link https://github.com/mangelajo/ovs-experiments/blob/master/qos/qos_traffic_shapping.sh | 14:20 |
| gsagie | thanks! | 14:20 |
| moshele | ajo I think we need to close service plugin -> agent flow and ml2 plugin -> agent flow and see how it fit with the Generic RPC mechanism | 14:20 |
| ajo | gsagie, it's very simple, later we may want to upgrade it with enqueue openflow actions (when we tackle traffic/flow classifiers in the future) | 14:21 |
| ajo | moshele, yes, we need to put all the pieces together ASAP | 14:21 |
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| ajo | if that's what you mean | 14:21 |
| moshele | yes | 14:21 |
| ajo | we need db to do the service plugin API | 14:22 |
| moshele | also the validation part in ML2 and service plugin | 14:22 |
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| ajo | moshele, what do you mean by validation part? (validating rules/available rules?) | 14:23 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka has been working on that | 14:23 |
| moshele | yes it can come for ML2. or service plugin when the port is bounded | 14:23 |
| ajo | he has an initial design, but may need to be extended when we have dscp in place, for example | 14:23 |
| ajo | as it only reports the common subset of rules supported by all ml2 drivers | 14:24 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, well, doesn't it depend on scheduler work? | 14:24 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka, probably we can resolve that when we have a working prototype | 14:24 |
| ajo | and look at the cases of different mechanism drivers, | 14:24 |
| ihrachyshka | we should not assign a qos-enabled port to a node that is not capable to fulfill the needs | 14:24 |
| ajo | I know that we will find a way to resolve it in a nice way | 14:25 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka, sometimes a node could be exposing sr-iov ports, and normal OVS ones , right moshele? | 14:25 |
| ajo | but if the port is going to be sr-iov ... no dscp rules, | 14:25 |
| ajo | if the port is going to be ovs... dscp rules = yes | 14:25 |
| moshele | right | 14:26 |
| ajo | we may need to resolve the issue at plug time, for example, failing the plug | 14:26 |
| ajo | then we also have updates... | 14:26 |
| ajo | which are trickier | 14:26 |
| ajo | the port could be already plugged... | 14:26 |
| vhoward | correct | 14:26 |
| ajo | and then what do we do? , do we stop the rule update because we can ask ml2 somehow ? | 14:26 |
| ajo | or do we accept the rule, and then report the port as failed? | 14:26 |
| ajo | when agent tries to configure it properly.. and it fails? | 14:27 |
| ajo | the port could be working... | 14:27 |
| ajo | but reported as failed... | 14:27 |
| ajo | I guess that could work? | 14:27 |
| ajo | that's where the port status thing comes... | 14:27 |
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| ajo | I believe we can find a reasonable way to solve it, and of course, improve it over time | 14:28 |
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| ajo | it doesn't have to be right now, I believe we can explore those cases when we're ready | 14:28 |
| ajo | IMO, at least.. | 14:28 |
| ajo | probably I'm too dumb to think so far ahead :) | 14:29 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:29 |
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| ajo | ok, ihrachyshka , moshele , vhoward , gsagie , Ramanjaneya_ mohankumar , irenab | 14:30 |
| ajo | anything you think it's worth discussing now, or that I could be missing? | 14:30 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, a node is then should be represented as two separate entities with their own resources. anyway, moving forward. | 14:30 |
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| ajo | ihrachyshka, probably that'd be the different agents? | 14:30 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka sriov agent, and ovs agent? | 14:30 |
| ihrachyshka | yeah, that's my expectation | 14:31 |
| ajo | makes sense | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | OR agent will know how to plug the proper one, if it really serves multiple bridges | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | sorry, bridges -> resource types | 14:31 |
| ajo | ok | 14:32 |
| ajo | the mid-cycle in israel is approaching | 14:33 |
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| ajo | for the remote participants across timezones, we could use an IRC channel, and possibly an etherpad | 14:33 |
| ajo | we could try to use it as a log of what's happening, and who's doing what | 14:33 |
| ajo | so we could coordinate, | 14:33 |
| ajo | keep the stuff that needs review | 14:34 |
| ajo | and prioritise such reviews | 14:34 |
| vhoward | i like that idea, i think lots of folks are listing remote and cannot travel | 14:34 |
| ajo | vhoward, yep, not sure if there are better ways to do it given the timezone differences | 14:34 |
| ajo | may be we could setup a video meeting once a day | 14:34 |
| ajo | in an overlapping time | 14:35 |
| ajo | probably we'd kill anyone on the east coast by waking up to early each day ;D | 14:35 |
| ajo | but it's only 3 days! ;D | 14:35 |
| vhoward | +1 naw we will be fine | 14:35 |
| vhoward | hehe | 14:35 |
| ajo | thanks vhoward , we will try that, | 14:35 |
| ajo | vhoward: try bluejeans for demo, that connects to the redhat conference rooms very easily | 14:36 |
| gsagie | vhoward: you should make an effort to come.. after all it is the holy land | 14:36 |
| ajo | let me link a demo site so you can setup the stuff on advance | 14:36 |
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| ajo | #link https://redhat.bluejeans.com/10305/3230/browser | 14:38 |
| ajo | vhoward ^ | 14:38 |
| ajo | disclaimer, on OSX I only managed to make it work from Safari, chrome's plugin doesn't work | 14:38 |
| vhoward | i'm scheduled to attend, but you all are scaring me now lol | 14:38 |
| ajo | firefox could work, but didn't try | 14:38 |
| vhoward | thank you i'll try it out | 14:38 |
| ajo | vhoward: lol :) | 14:38 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:40 |
| vhoward | works! | 14:40 |
| ajo | nice :) | 14:40 |
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| ajo | ok, if there's no other thing we could close the meeting | 14:41 |
| ajo | Ramanjaneya_, let's try to prioritize DB models, let me know if you need any help from me, irenab, or if we need to ask for more volunteers | 14:41 |
| ajo | feel free to ping me on IRC, | 14:42 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | sure..will look DB model as priority | 14:42 |
| ajo | I will propritize splitting the service plugin & callbacks, and api patches, so irenab could take any of then and make separate progress | 14:42 |
| Ramanjaneya_ | will ping in IRC if any help further | 14:42 |
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| ajo | ok, thank you guys/gals | 14:44 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| ajo | o/ | 14:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 14:44:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-06-17-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-06-17-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-06-17-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| mestery | dougwig kevinbenton amotoki carl_baldwin: Here for neutron-drivers meeting in 3 minutes? | 15:27 |
| amotoki_ | am here | 15:28 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: have another overlapping work meeting starting | 15:28 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: so i'll read backlog | 15:28 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Bleah! | 15:28 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I promise to move this meeting by 2 weeks form now, next week we'll skip it since we have the mid-cycle | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: ack | 15:28 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Carry on with your more-important-than-us internal meeting ;) | 15:29 |
| dougwig | o/ | 15:29 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting neutron-drivers | 15:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 15:30:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron-drivers)" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 15:30 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers Agenda (same as every week) | 15:30 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: ping if you're here | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | pong cuz I’m here | 15:31 |
| mestery | awesome! | 15:31 |
| mestery | OK lets get rolling | 15:31 |
| mestery | #topic Spec Discussion | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron-drivers)" | 15:31 | |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184857/ | 15:31 |
| mestery | "Get Me a Network" | 15:31 |
| mestery | The plan with this one is to work the design out next week in Fort Collins, especially the concurrency issues | 15:31 |
| mestery | And once we do that, find someone to implement it :) | 15:32 |
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| mestery | Any comments? | 15:32 |
| mestery | Concerns? | 15:32 |
| dougwig | no, that jives with what i thought would work best. | 15:32 |
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| mestery | cool | 15:33 |
| mestery | Next up | 15:33 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169612 Availability zones | 15:33 |
| mestery | amotoki had a lot of comments on revision 23 of htis one | 15:33 |
| mestery | which need addressing, thanks for hte review amotoki | 15:33 |
| amotoki_ | AZ one generally looks good. i posted some clarifications. | 15:34 |
| mestery | amotoki: Great! | 15:34 |
| mestery | I think this is a nice one to get in for Liberty. carl_baldwin dougwig, have you had a chance to review? | 15:34 |
| dougwig | i have not | 15:34 |
| mestery | OK | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Not much review there. I can soon if needed. | 15:35 |
| hichihara | amotoki: Thank you for your review! I will update tomorrow. | 15:35 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: No worries, I know russellb amotoki and I have reviewed, among others | 15:35 |
| dougwig | hmm, i see one issue, though it's small. ignores services entirely. | 15:35 |
| mestery | dougwig: Good catch! | 15:35 |
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| mestery | And worth a re-spin to accomodate that | 15:35 |
| dougwig | i'll comment today | 15:35 |
| amotoki_ | dougwig: i noticed it too, but it can be deferred I think. | 15:35 |
| amotoki_ | but it is worth mentioned at least. | 15:36 |
| dougwig | amotoki_: yes, it could, though i find it frustrating when features are supported piecemeal. | 15:37 |
| mestery | Agreed | 15:37 |
| amotoki_ | agree. | 15:37 |
| mestery | Next up | 15:37 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94612/ VLAN Aware VMs | 15:37 |
| mestery | I know armax has been dilligently following up on this, and there was a meeitng yesterday on it | 15:38 |
| mestery | armax: Can you summarize if you're around? :) | 15:38 |
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| mestery | And if armax is busy, the tl;dr is that some progress was made on this one | 15:38 |
| armax | mestery: I think we agreed to choose first class citizen for trunk port resource | 15:38 |
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| mestery | armax: Thanks :) | 15:38 |
| armax | they’d need to extend the port resource to track subports | 15:39 |
| armax | they’ll respin the patch and hopefully we’ll start seeing some code | 15:39 |
| mestery | #info trunk ports will be a first class citizen but subports will be an extension of ports | 15:39 |
| mestery | awesome | 15:39 |
| mestery | thanks armax! | 15:39 |
| mestery | Questions? | 15:39 |
| armax | and we’ll take it from there | 15:39 |
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| amotoki_ | there is another spin of the spec, and we can check it. | 15:40 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: Yes | 15:40 |
| dougwig | i think kevinbenton had some issues with subports. was he at the meeting? else just flag him to review. | 15:40 |
| mestery | He was not there sadly | 15:40 |
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| armax | dougwig: no he wasn't | 15:41 |
| armax | amotoki was there though | 15:41 |
| armax | dougwig: we’ll ping him | 15:41 |
| amotoki_ | armax: ah.... you're right. | 15:41 |
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| dougwig | cool. i do want to see trunk ports happen. | 15:41 |
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| armax | we all do | 15:42 |
| mestery | OK, last one | 15:42 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172244/ Routed Networks | 15:42 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: This is your baby :) | 15:42 |
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| mestery | The good news is Kris from godaddy is hopefully going to make the mid-cyclen ext week to discuss this with us | 15:43 |
| mestery | And how it can (hopefully) be evolved to address the segment support those folks want | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: That is good news. I look forward to the discussion. | 15:43 |
| dougwig | should we put this spec review on hold until the mid-cycle, then? | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | dougwig: +1 | 15:44 |
| mestery | dougwig: +1 | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | It could use just a bit more definition. | 15:44 |
| amotoki_ | +1 | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | … and some validation from others that my ideas are sane would be good. | 15:44 |
| dougwig | carl_baldwin: ha, your specs are usually among the most detailed already. :) | 15:45 |
| * carl_baldwin blushes | 15:45 | |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: I know regXoi wants to discuss this in your L3 meeting tomorrow, look for him there | 15:45 |
| mestery | He reached out to me this morning on this one | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Thanks, I will look for him. | 15:45 |
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| mestery | OK, does anyone want to bringup any other particular spec? | 15:46 |
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| amotoki_ | question: are there any important specs in *aaS areas? | 15:46 |
| HenryG | Bug #1464465 | 15:47 |
| openstack | bug 1464465 in neutron "binding_type improvements to simplify Nova interactions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464465 | 15:47 |
| dougwig | amotoki_: for lbaas, the big items are l7 redirection, horizon, and octavia. l7 was a backlog from kilo, octavia is happening in a different repo, but we do need to talk at some point about how to get horizon support in for lbaas v2. | 15:47 |
| dougwig | for fwaas, i think xgerman is putting together use cases in prep for taking a look at maybe a v2 api | 15:47 |
| mestery | dougwig: So, lbaas is covered | 15:47 |
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| mestery | For fwaas, we're in the process of rebooting it a bit, so nothing at this time. | 15:48 |
| dougwig | i'm not sure about vpn. | 15:48 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 15:48 |
| mestery | I need to talk to pc_m about vpn today | 15:48 |
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| amotoki_ | dougwig: for horizon support, I can help all efforst and I can discuss offline | 15:48 |
| HenryG | Sorry are we not at RFEs yet? | 15:48 |
| mestery | It's on my list, it's just not burning me enough to get my attention yet :) | 15:48 |
| mestery | HenryG: Not yet | 15:48 |
| mestery | :) | 15:48 |
| mestery | amotoki_: Awesome, thank you! | 15:48 |
| dougwig | amotoki_: ok, let's do that. i'm also interested in if we can do that panel in-repo, instead of having it all in horizon (like the devstack model) | 15:48 |
| amotoki_ | for vpnaas, I need to clarify what are prioritized. | 15:48 |
| amotoki_ | dougwig: horizon team are exploring how to scale dahsborad efforts. | 15:49 |
| dougwig | amotoki_: ok, we'll take our cue on how to proceed from you, then. | 15:49 |
| mestery | Great! | 15:49 |
| mestery | Any other specs before we move to RFEs? | 15:50 |
| amotoki_ | dougwig: I will share efforts in horizon later. | 15:50 |
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| amotoki_ | for vpnaas, I will talk paul what should be prioritized. | 15:50 |
| amotoki_ | ah... i wrote already.. | 15:50 |
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| mestery | :) | 15:50 |
| mestery | OK, lets move to RFEs then | 15:51 |
| mestery | #topic RFEs | 15:51 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe RFE bug link | 15:51 |
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| mestery | HenryG: You had one for us? | 15:51 |
| mestery | We can start with yours :) | 15:51 |
| HenryG | Bug #1464465 | 15:51 |
| openstack | bug 1464465 in neutron "binding_type improvements to simplify Nova interactions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464465 | 15:52 |
| HenryG | It's from ijw | 15:52 |
| dougwig | better query: | 15:52 |
| dougwig | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=rfe&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&fi | 15:52 |
| dougwig | eld.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 15:52 |
| dougwig | man, let me shorten that | 15:52 |
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| mestery | dougwig: rookie mistake! :) | 15:52 |
| dougwig | https://goo.gl/dfUdUf | 15:52 |
| dougwig | only new and triaged RFE's. ^^ | 15:52 |
| mestery | cool | 15:52 |
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| HenryG | Why not "confirmed"? | 15:53 |
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| dougwig | my understanding is that 'confirmed' is 'approved by the drivers/LT'. do i need to go read that process doc again? sec. | 15:54 |
| * HenryG may have wongly set the RFE to confirmed | 15:54 | |
| mestery | :) | 15:54 |
| dougwig | ahh, triaged means approved. | 15:54 |
| dougwig | one sec. | 15:54 |
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| dougwig | https://goo.gl/xtBJkU | 15:55 |
| mestery | HenryG: Seems as if the binding RFE proposed by ijw is dependent on a nova spec, true? | 15:55 |
| HenryG | mestery: yes | 15:56 |
| HenryG | I think he is asking for approval to work on the Neutron side if that goes ahead | 15:56 |
| armax | confirmed means they have been acked as RFE bugs | 15:56 |
| amotoki_ | it seems we need to consider it along with the nova vif script spec. | 15:56 |
| armax | triaged means someone from the drivers team has seen them and started working on them | 15:57 |
| armax | as in talking and chatting and fighting | 15:57 |
| armax | insulting…you name it | 15:57 |
| armax | in progress | 15:57 |
| armax | is when someone hopelessly start coding believing that the rfe will be made available only to realize that a final -2 will put his/her hopes in tatters | 15:58 |
| mestery | rofl | 15:58 |
| dougwig | https://goo.gl/xtBJkU <-- new + confirmed RFE's | 15:58 |
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| HenryG | I think binding improvements to match Nova is a reasonable request, hence I marked it as confirmed | 15:58 |
| mestery | dougwig: How many more URLs will you generate for us? | 15:58 |
| mestery | HenryG: cool | 15:59 |
| dougwig | mestery: gonna start being some ascii goats soon. | 15:59 |
| HenryG | I have no idea if I have the authority to mark as confirmed ;) | 15:59 |
| mestery | HenryG: We'll slap you on the wrist if you do something wrong, don't worry | 15:59 |
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| mestery | I removed the RFE tag from this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464190 | 15:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464190 in neutron "Fujitsu Neutron ML2 Mechanism Driver for ISM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 15:59 |
| mestery | This one needs an update from the proposer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1457034 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457034 in neutron "BGPVPN extension" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
| mestery | We may as well just mark this as triaged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1458890 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:00 |
| mestery | Because it's gonna happen, so many operators need this one | 16:00 |
| amotoki_ | For such cases, do we set the status to Imcomplete? or keep it New? | 16:01 |
| amotoki_ | i am talking about BGPVPN one. | 16:01 |
| mestery | amotoki_: We set it to "Triaged" | 16:01 |
| mestery | amotoki_: Lets leave it as "Confirmed" since we've alreayd looked at it | 16:01 |
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| mestery | Thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1460720 ??? | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460720 in neutron "Add API to set ipv6 gateway" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Abishek Subramanian (absubram) | 16:02 |
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| dougwig | we need a wiki page or doc cheat sheet. "rfe bug states for dummies" | 16:02 |
| dougwig | <-- the dummy | 16:02 |
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| mestery | #action dougwig to write "RFE for dummies" page | 16:02 |
| mestery | dougwig: Sound good? ;) | 16:02 |
| mestery | You see what I did there? | 16:02 |
| HenryG | lol | 16:02 |
| dougwig | lol, fine. :) | 16:02 |
| amotoki_ | :-) | 16:02 |
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| HenryG | mestery: that RFE can at least be marked confirmed | 16:03 |
| mestery | HenryG: done | 16:03 |
| mestery | HenryG: It's an API change, but it seems sensible to me. | 16:03 |
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| HenryG | It was discussed but I have not seen any work started yet | 16:04 |
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| HenryG | (in the L3 meeting) | 16:04 |
| mestery | HenryG: I am fine moving this to triaged and allowing work to proceed | 16:04 |
| mestery | anyone have any issues there? | 16:04 |
| mestery | going once | 16:04 |
| mestery | going twice | 16:04 |
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| * mestery waits for 30 seconds | 16:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 16:04 |
| HenryG | Thanks carl_baldwin | 16:04 |
| mestery | sold to carl_baldwin ! :) | 16:04 |
| carl_baldwin | We came up with a good plan, I think. | 16:04 |
| mestery | triaged it is! | 16:04 |
| HenryG | yay | 16:04 |
| mestery | Now on to armax's favorite RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1461133 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461133 in neutron "Supporting multiple L3 backends" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Just as long as sold to doesn’t mean assigned to | 16:05 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: lol | 16:05 |
| HenryG | heh | 16:05 |
| mestery | I think everyone thinks we need ML3 | 16:06 |
| amotoki_ | It is actually ML3 work. it sounds reasonable | 16:06 |
| mestery | And I think the way forward is to use flavors (where's dougwig and my flavors update) | 16:06 |
| mestery | amotoki_: Lets move this one to Triaged then and be done with it | 16:06 |
| mestery | We can iterate more on the code and devref | 16:06 |
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| amotoki_ | mestery: agree. | 16:06 |
| mestery | cool, done! | 16:06 |
| mestery | next up | 16:06 |
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| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1463594 | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463594 in neutron "LBaaS drivers can be queried to determine whether they support a feature the API exposes" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1463594 | 16:07 |
| mestery | I discussed this with blogan and dougwig yesterday I believe | 16:07 |
| mestery | The result is mentioned in comment #4 | 16:07 |
| mestery | blogan will write a spec with specific use cases | 16:07 |
| mestery | Because an RFE for this one wasn't enough | 16:07 |
| mestery | dougwig: Did I capture that accurately>? | 16:07 |
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| dougwig | yes, we can punt this until we see a spec. | 16:07 |
| mestery | cool | 16:08 |
| mestery | OK, next up: | 16:08 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464361 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464361 in neutron "Support for multiple gateways in Neutron subnets" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 16:08 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: I think you'd want to review this one | 16:08 |
| kevinbenton | i'm leaning towards -1 | 16:08 |
| kevinbenton | requires data model changes | 16:08 |
| kevinbenton | and dhcp agent changes | 16:08 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Was thinking the same | 16:09 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ignore the implmentation details for a minute | 16:09 |
| mestery | THe use case seems valid to me | 16:09 |
| mestery | Agree? | 16:09 |
| kevinbenton | maybe | 16:09 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: your thoughts on the use case? | 16:09 |
| amotoki_ | use cases looks valid | 16:09 |
| mestery | maybe? | 16:09 |
| kevinbenton | is it common to give servers different gateways in the same subnets? | 16:10 |
| amotoki_ | but i am not sure the approach looks good or not. | 16:10 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Lets comment on the bug, if the use case is valid, we can then work a solution | 16:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m not sure how common this is. I’ve never seen it but that does mean much. | 16:10 |
| mestery | Thus, the RFE process in action! | 16:10 |
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| mestery | I've commented and marked it confirmed | 16:12 |
| mestery | Last one | 16:12 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464793 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464793 in neutron "Add a driver for isc-dhcpd" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 16:12 |
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| kevinbenton | +1 | 16:12 |
| kevinbenton | only question is where it should live | 16:12 |
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| mestery | right | 16:12 |
| mestery | you mean, in it's own repo? | 16:12 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, or do we just pull it into neutron? | 16:13 |
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| mestery | I would not like to pull this in, if we do the reference split (still on the table), it could go in that repo | 16:14 |
| amotoki_ | I am not sure the current neutron driver impl can support proper driver mechanism | 16:14 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: There's also that :) | 16:14 |
| amotoki_ | after ref split, we can do it in that repo. | 16:14 |
| dougwig | i think it's a no brainer to confirm this one, though. | 16:15 |
| amotoki_ | yeah, we have, but we only support dnsmasq at now. | 16:15 |
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| kevinbenton | i guess it can just go in wherever the reference lives for now | 16:15 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Already confirmed | 16:15 |
| mestery | and commented based on this discussion | 16:15 |
| mestery | That was the last RFE | 16:15 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 16:16 |
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| mestery | Anything else or shall we close this meeting? | 16:16 |
| kevinbenton | shall we discuss the deadlock issue really quick? | 16:16 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Please, go ahead! | 16:16 |
| mestery | I know carl_baldwin is here and you have been discussing that with him on the ML, so yes, makes sense | 16:16 |
| kevinbenton | it has come to my attention that with galera multi-master, any random thing can deadlock to test a programmers patience | 16:17 |
| kevinbenton | should we just jam the retry mechanism high up in the API layer for every operation and call it a day? | 16:17 |
| mestery | I'd be curious what jaypipes has to say about that given his DB experience kevinbenton. | 16:18 |
| mestery | Have you run that by him by chance? | 16:18 |
| dougwig | what's the root of the issue? crazy txn nesting? not locking tables in a defined order? | 16:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: +1 | 16:18 |
| kevinbenton | i will in my secret meeting with him in 10 minutes | 16:18 |
| mestery | rofl | 16:18 |
| kevinbenton | and have him reply to the ML | 16:18 |
| mestery | OK, let us know how it goes, his guidance is apprecaited | 16:18 |
| mestery | cool | 16:18 |
| HenryG | We should also make sure keep zzzeek in the loop | 16:18 |
| mestery | +1 | 16:18 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: transactions are verified after they are committed | 16:19 |
| carl_baldwin | dougwig: There is a thread you should catch up on. | 16:19 |
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| dougwig | how did i miss this thread? ok, i'll go look. | 16:19 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: so once galera realizes it regrets it commitment, it throws a deadlock | 16:19 |
| * mestery points dougwig at this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067059.html | 16:19 | |
| HenryG | dougwig: the thread is titled "quota enforcement" to throw you off the trail | 16:19 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067059.html | 16:20 |
| mestery | kevinbenton carl_baldwin: That's the one, right? | 16:20 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: yeah | 16:20 |
| mestery | cool | 16:20 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Thanks for beating me to getting the link | 16:20 |
| kevinbenton | it led to that topic because the discussion of locks came up | 16:20 |
| carl_baldwin | er, mestery | 16:20 |
| mestery | ??? | 16:20 |
| dougwig | ty | 16:20 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: stop beating carl_baldwin | 16:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks mestery for getting the link. | 16:20 |
| mestery | rofl | 16:21 |
| mestery | OK, lets close this thing down. | 16:21 |
| mestery | Thanks for all your hard work and guidance folks! | 16:21 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 16:21:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-06-17-15.30.html | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-06-17-15.30.txt | 16:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-06-17-15.30.log.html | 16:21 |
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| jaypipes | kevinbenton: technically, not "any random thing"... | 16:45 |
| jaypipes | :) | 16:45 |
| kevinbenton | jaypipes: this channel is sacred! let's discuss in neutron | 16:46 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: k | 16:46 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 17:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
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| alaski | hi | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| * bauzas waves | 17:00 | |
| belmoreira | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest testing | 17:01 |
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| alaski | melwitt: you're up | 17:01 |
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| melwitt | since the last patch mentioned last meeting merged, the cells job is looking good: http://goo.gl/b7R8wq | 17:01 |
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| melwitt | it's been only failing on patches that are really failing tests | 17:01 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 17:02 |
| alaski | awesome | 17:02 |
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| melwitt | the patch to change it to voting is up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190894/ but we're waiting on some advice from mtreinish about whether we should add it to run on tempest changes as well | 17:02 |
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| melwitt | there's another question in the review on whether to run the job against devstack changes too | 17:03 |
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| melwitt | once we get those answers I'll update the patch and then it should be good to go | 17:03 |
| alaski | excellent | 17:04 |
| melwitt | I think that's it on the tempest testing status | 17:04 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 17:04 |
| bauzas | (I said that) | 17:04 |
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| alaski | fwiw I think we should run on tempest, not sure about devstack though | 17:04 |
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| alaski | thanks for the update | 17:04 |
| alaski | #topic Specs | 17:04 |
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| alaski | there are still a couple of specs up | 17:05 |
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| alaski | reviews always appreciated | 17:05 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190147/ | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | oh, I forgot to wave, but I'm here | 17:05 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:05 |
| belmoreira | about #190147 and the migration | 17:06 |
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| belmoreira | to start use cellV2 we need to "signal" that someway and the operators will need to migrate the data... | 17:06 |
| belmoreira | preferably with a nova-manage command | 17:07 |
| bauzas | +1 | 17:07 |
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| alaski | a strategy we could use would be to look up flavors in the new table, and fall back to the old one if they're not there | 17:08 |
| belmoreira | should we have a global spec for data migration? since we need to create a common nova-manage | 17:08 |
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| belmoreira | alaski: but we should be in cellsV1 or cellsV2 | 17:08 |
| belmoreira | otherwise I think we add confusion | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: could we get those spec reviews into the etherpad, so they get higher priority, maybe they are already there? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:09 |
| alaski | I've been assuming we would have both for a period of time. cellsv1 would have a single v2 cell as the parent cell | 17:09 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: should already be there | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh wait, I saw them! my bad | 17:10 |
| bauzas | yeah, that's the migration path, right | 17:10 |
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| bauzas | so, a tool for migrating flavors to cellsv2 API DB sounds reasonable, and doesn't confuse | 17:11 |
| bauzas | even if people run cells V1 | 17:11 |
| bauzas | because both can interlace | 17:11 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: that's a good question on a global migration. I could see a command to handle all of the individual migrations, but I think they should be separately runnable as well | 17:11 |
| belmoreira | alaski: sorry, can we be more verbose about "cellsv1 would have a single v2 cell as the parent cell" :) | 17:12 |
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| alaski | your current top level cell would become a v2 cell, with api and cell. so it would be a v1 parent cell and also a v2 api and cell | 17:13 |
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| alaski | the top level v2 cell would run v1 code to route message properly | 17:13 |
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| alaski | I should probably draw that out somehow | 17:13 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:14 |
| belmoreira | alaski: ok, thanks | 17:14 |
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| alaski | #action alaski draw out how cellsv1 and v2 will interact during transition period | 17:14 |
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| bauzas | alaski: just for the records, I think the transition period can last a certain time :) | 17:15 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: back to your original question about a signal, I think if at all possible the code should work with migrated or unmigrated data | 17:16 |
| belmoreira | Running the migrations separately could mean that I only migrate flavors and nothing else | 17:16 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: then the migration can be run at any time | 17:16 |
| bauzas | shouldn't we consider to migrate the flavor information on the fly with the object ? | 17:16 |
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| bauzas | ie. when calling Flavor.save() | 17:17 |
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| bauzas | and leave the nova-manage tool for instant upload | 17:17 |
| alaski | that's a possibility, and if we need to do that we can | 17:17 |
| bauzas | yeah, would be far better | 17:18 |
| alaski | but there's typically not much flavor data, and rarely saved, so doing it 'online' with a nova-manage command would be my preference | 17:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, I care about the extra specs, but your point is fair | 17:19 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: just for my understanding... calling Flavor.save() will be data migration? in that case only new/updates flavors will be added in the new table | 17:20 |
| alaski | belmoreira: let me think about a global migration a bit more. I was thinking we would migrate one table at a time, but that could be tedious for a deployer | 17:21 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: that's a pattern for allowing objects to care about the migration by themselves, ie. we load either from source A or B, but at the end, we write on B | 17:21 |
| alaski | belmoreira: but I also don't want to have to wait for all migrations to be done before we can run any for testing | 17:21 |
| belmoreira | alaski: fair | 17:21 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: I understand that... but for the particular flavor case it can took some time. no? | 17:22 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: well, you hydrate your object from the Cells V2 API first, and if not found, from the regular nova DB, but you only save to the Cell V2 DB | 17:23 |
| bauzas | cell V2 API DB I mean | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: so the bit I like here is being able to stagger the migration into small chunks so you can limit the DB load on production, a single command to do all the migrations would make life easier | 17:24 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: ok | 17:24 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I envision a command to run all the subcommands | 17:25 |
| alaski | and some things will be probably be handled by object saves, helping to spread the load | 17:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: makes sense | 17:25 |
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| alaski | we can continue this on the flavor review, but it seems like we could also use something to discuss the high level migration plan on as well | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: the cells devref maybe? | 17:26 |
| alaski | could be, similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190209/ | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | for a "once its all done" overview | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: +1 | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats some good stuff there :) | 17:27 |
| bauzas | moving on then ? :) | 17:27 |
| belmoreira | for the flavor spec we will update it asap | 17:28 |
| alaski | belmoreira: great | 17:28 |
| alaski | bauzas: moving on | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: honestly, I am good with merging that, if it makes it easier to find | 17:28 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: I like it as a living document right now | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: cool | 17:28 |
| belmoreira | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192098/ | 17:28 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: The second part of cell-ost-mapping spec impl. is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192098/ | 17:29 |
| alaski | cool, I started to go through that but didn't quite finish | 17:29 |
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| alaski | bauzas: what's the status on having a request_spec object? | 17:30 |
| bauzas | alaski: on its way, good progress | 17:30 |
| bauzas | alaski: the main discussion we currently have is how to manage the transition period | 17:30 |
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| alaski | great. can I start working on persistence yet? | 17:30 |
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| bauzas | alaski: technically, you can take a look at the object | 17:31 |
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| alaski | okay | 17:31 |
| bauzas | alaski: but I'm going to provide a new change, since I recently discovered that hints are API validated \o/ | 17:31 |
| alaski | ahh, cool | 17:31 |
| bauzas | I was thinking we were waiting for strings and dict of strings, but that's not the case | 17:31 |
| bauzas | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas/v3/scheduler_hints.py | 17:31 |
| bauzas | so I can remove that ugly DictofStrings field which was making me uncomfortable and use a real Hints object | 17:32 |
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| alaski | nice | 17:32 |
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| alaski | I want to get that work going so I can play with a buildrequest object as well, though that spec hasn't merged yet | 17:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: just be aware that I'm iterating over the changes very often | 17:33 |
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| bauzas | alaski: just because I'm discovering craps while I'm using that in the FilterScheduler | 17:33 |
| alaski | bauzas: no problem, as long as there's some stability in at least the object name I can work with that | 17:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: but at least, I think you can take the fields as example | 17:33 |
| bauzas | the fields shouldn't really change, rather the hydrating methods | 17:34 |
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| alaski | okay, even better | 17:34 |
| bauzas | to care all the corner cases | 17:34 |
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| bauzas | alaski: that's cool you're planning to work on persisting it | 17:35 |
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| bauzas | alaski: I was thinking it was a due to me | 17:35 |
| alaski | I wrote the spec, so I figured I had volunteered | 17:35 |
| bauzas | alaski: just one note, I'm planning to add a new field https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179224/11/specs/liberty/approved/check-destination-on-migrations.rst,cm | 17:35 |
| bauzas | alaski: sure thing, that's cool | 17:35 |
| bauzas | alaski: that will free up some time for me to make decent reviews then | 17:36 |
| alaski | but I need it for the buildrequest stuff too so I'll work on it so I'm not blocked, and you can focus on the object itself | 17:36 |
| bauzas | cool, that works | 17:36 |
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| alaski | anything else to discuss? | 17:37 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 17:37 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 17:38:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-06-17-17.00.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-06-17-17.00.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-06-17-17.00.log.html | 17:38 |
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| bauzas | ty | 17:38 |
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| vishwanathj | hi | 18:30 |
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| hoangcx | Hi | 18:31 |
| SridarK | hi all | 18:31 |
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| madhu_ak | hi | 18:31 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:31 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:32 |
| pc_m | hi | 18:32 |
| SridarK | ok lets get started i think we have a quorum | 18:32 |
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| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 18:32:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:32 |
| sballe | o/ | 18:32 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:32 |
| SridarK | hi all | 18:32 |
| hoangcx | Hi all | 18:32 |
| SridarK | #topic Bugs | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
| badveli | hello sridark | 18:33 |
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| SridarK | quick recap on bugs | 18:33 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1455863 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1455863 in neutron "FWAAS- FW Rule editing puts FW to error state " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj) | 18:33 |
| SridarK | Thanks Vish for addressing all the comments | 18:33 |
| SridarK | i think we are good to go on this just waiting on some core attention | 18:34 |
| vishwanathj | no problem | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: did u have anything to discuss or add | 18:34 |
| vishwanathj | no... | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: ok cool | 18:34 |
| vishwanathj | would be good if amotoki reviewed the test cases | 18:35 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1454974 | 18:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1454974 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "FWAAS- FW rules table is asymmetric." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Kahou Lei (kahou82) | 18:35 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: i think u were not able to recreate this | 18:35 |
| vishwanathj | i was not able to see the issue | 18:35 |
| vishwanathj | yes | 18:35 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: thx - lets wait on the submitter to confirm - if this is not indeed an issue | 18:36 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 18:36 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1446074 | 18:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446074 in neutron "FWaaS - Missing tenant_id validation between firewall and firewall_policy in creating/updating firewall" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 18:36 |
| SridarK | i think this is also ready for core attention | 18:36 |
| SridarK | I don't think Cedric is around for any further discussion | 18:37 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465440 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465440 in neutron "Firewall attribute "Shared" is set to None by default instead of 'False'" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj) | 18:37 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: thx for taking a look | 18:37 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: i added my comments on this - IMO the attribute not getting pushed to the db does look odd | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | would need Sumits input to the bug as well | 18:38 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: will need to dig more on the history - will also wait on Sumit for any more history on this | 18:38 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: yes | 18:39 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: perhaps we can wait on Sumit and then discuss to move forward | 18:39 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: anything else u wanted to discuss | 18:39 |
| vishwanathj | i will push a patch and mark it as WIP | 18:39 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: sounds perfect | 18:39 |
| SridarK | these were the bugs i had on my radar | 18:40 |
| SridarK | any one else had other things that i missed | 18:40 |
| yanping | Hi Sridar | 18:40 |
| SridarK | yanping: Hi | 18:40 |
| yanping | May I ask help for code review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190331/ | 18:40 |
| SridarK | yanping: surely will take a look and request others to look as well | 18:41 |
| yanping | thanks a lot | 18:41 |
| SridarK | yanping: i think u have made the change on the project | 18:41 |
| yanping | yes, I changed bug for project neutron | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | yanping: perfect | 18:42 |
| SridarK | yanping: once a few of us look u can ask for some core attention | 18:42 |
| yanping | OK. Thanks. | 18:42 |
| SridarK | yanping: np | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | if there are no other bugs - we can do a quick run of the specs although many people are missing today | 18:43 |
| annp | Hello | 18:43 |
| SridarK | #topic Traffic direction Spec | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171340/ | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | i don't see slawek around and i know Vikram is out on PTO | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | i think we just need to close with Cedric on where the new attribute is to be applied | 18:45 |
| SridarK | if we can close on that and reach consensus - we are good | 18:45 |
| SridarK | Did anyone have anything else to add | 18:46 |
| vishwanathj | I have reviewed it and have no further comments | 18:47 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: thx, i think we just need closure on this one aspect | 18:47 |
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| SridarK | #topic Service Objects/Group | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | badveli: congrats on the approval | 18:48 |
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| badveli | thanks sridark | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | badveli: the floor is yours - would u like to discuss or bring up anything on the feature | 18:49 |
| badveli | nothing much as of now, need to work on some scenario tests | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | badveli: ok ur implementation plan will support this as a common feature that can be reused by other features as well correct ? | 18:51 |
| badveli | yes sridark | 18:51 |
| badveli | it will be reusable | 18:51 |
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| SridarK | badveli: cool - may be we can have more discussion in the next mtg if u are ready and comfortable | 18:52 |
| badveli | fine with me | 18:52 |
| SridarK | badveli: ok great thx | 18:52 |
| badveli | thanks | 18:52 |
| SridarK | #topic Logging Spec | 18:52 |
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| hoangcx | Hi Sridark | 18:52 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132133/ | 18:52 |
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| hoangcx | This is Hoang. I am on behaft of Yushiro | 18:53 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: are u covering for yushiro | 18:53 |
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| SridarK | hoangcx: the floor is yours pls go ahead | 18:53 |
| hoangcx | Yeah. Yushiro wants to say "Hi" to Sridrak and all | 18:53 |
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| hoangcx | May i ask to help with current WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188340/ | 18:53 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: surely | 18:54 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: we should also close on the spec and get that approved | 18:54 |
| SridarK | i know there are some outstanding review comments | 18:55 |
| hoangcx | Beside this implementation, new logging API is currently implementing on Neutron | 18:55 |
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| SridarK | ok, will take a look and also reach out to yushiro to address the comments | 18:56 |
| hoangcx | in which we may centralize logging | 18:56 |
| SridarK | on the spec | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | hoangcx: yes that is good and some of the comments are also in relation to this | 18:56 |
| hoangcx | Sridark: Yes. | 18:56 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: i will take a look at the patch and also request others to look | 18:56 |
| hoangcx | About Hitcount function: Now we are under consideration | 18:57 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: and we discuss on gerrit as well | 18:57 |
| hoangcx | Sridark: Thanks so much | 18:57 |
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| hoangcx | Sridark: Yes. I see. | 18:57 |
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| SridarK | hoangcx: no worries - the hit count is something that yushiro and i also discussed at the summit and there was an earlier proposal to integrate with ceilometer | 18:57 |
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| SridarK | we can also get that moving with Pradeep Kilambi who was looking at ceilometer | 18:58 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: sounds good thanks | 18:58 |
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| SridarK | hoangcx: anything else u would like to add ? | 18:59 |
| SridarK | or discuss | 18:59 |
| hoangcx | Sridark: enough for me now. | 18:59 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: ok thx | 18:59 |
| hoangcx | And waiting to get feedback about current implementation and new logging API discussion | 18:59 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: yes perfect | 18:59 |
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| SridarK | #topic SG - FWaaS alignment | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas_use_cases | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: the floor is yours | 19:00 |
| xgerman | thanks | 19:00 |
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| xgerman | We are still collecting use cases and I also feel the FWaaS is a puzzle in a bigger network security picture with IDS | 19:01 |
| xgerman | avtually - end users we talked with mentioned IDS a lot | 19:01 |
| xgerman | and DPI | 19:01 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: yes IDS - is it part of FW or a separate piece can be an interesting discussion | 19:02 |
| xgerman | exactly | 19:02 |
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| mickeys | I hope that DPI can be added to service object/group at some point | 19:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i guess there can be different views but this is certainly an important piece to pull in | 19:02 |
| johnsom | DPI is not IDS though | 19:02 |
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| xgerman | yep, but I think we need both | 19:03 |
| SridarK | mickeys: +1 or as a part of some the classifier discussions | 19:03 |
| SridarK | * some of | 19:03 |
| SridarK | johnsom: agree - it can be used to drive some the IDS actions | 19:04 |
| SridarK | xgerman: also Sameer has added some inputs and i will reach out to him for more discussions as well | 19:04 |
| SridarK | if u are not in discussion with him already | 19:04 |
| xgerman | no, I have been in some bubble but our plan is to do some broader outreach in the next two weeks | 19:05 |
| johnsom | My example I like to use is blocking HTTP Methods other than GET for example. That is a FW DPI action. | 19:05 |
| SridarK | xgerman: sounds good | 19:06 |
| SridarK | johnsom: yes and there can be whole host of more application based actions | 19:06 |
| sballe | Sridark: Do yu know Sameer's last name? | 19:07 |
| xgerman | yeah, I have also seen people doing “on demand” scanning by using SDN rules - and.or put some basic IDS functionality on white box routers | 19:07 |
| SridarK | yamahata also had an initial thought for looking at L4 - L7 use cases and along with many of us who were also interested | 19:07 |
| SridarK | sballe: Sameer Satyam | 19:08 |
| SridarK | from Rackspace | 19:08 |
| sballe | ok thx | 19:08 |
| xgerman | ok, thx | 19:08 |
| SridarK | np | 19:08 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: i agree this is going to take some time and effort to get all this in | 19:09 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: , others anything else we want to discuss on this topic ? | 19:10 |
| xgerman | Once we have use cases we can prioritize and thing will be better | 19:11 |
| SridarK | we can all use the ether pad link above to put use cases and thoughts/comments | 19:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:11 |
| SridarK | xgerman: agreed | 19:11 |
| xgerman | that’s all frm me for now | 19:12 |
| SridarK | those of us who also wear vendor hats can also reach out to our customers to provide inputs | 19:12 |
| SridarK | xgerman: thx | 19:12 |
| xgerman | SridarK that would be great! | 19:12 |
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| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:13 |
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| SridarK | other thoughts or things folks would like to bring up pls go ahead | 19:13 |
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| pc_m | anyone going to the neutron mid-cycle next week? | 19:14 |
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| SridarK | pc_m: are u going to be there ? | 19:14 |
| pc_m | SridarK: yes | 19:14 |
| SridarK | pc_m: cool - i am out of office so definitely not going - | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | pc_m, How does one got to the mid-cyle? is it by invitation only? | 19:15 |
| pc_m | SridarK: That sounds like a whole lot more fun :) | 19:15 |
| xgerman | everybody can go | 19:15 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: no u just sign up | 19:15 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: Anyone can go. | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 19:15 |
| SridarK | pc_m: :-) | 19:15 |
| xgerman | yeah, there is an etherpad | 19:15 |
| pc_m | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | did not know about this...thanks for sharing | 19:16 |
| pc_m | It's next Wed-Fri | 19:16 |
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| SridarK | pc_m: is the focus on the micro versioning ? | 19:16 |
| pc_m | great learning experience, with many cores and experienced Neutron folks there. | 19:16 |
| pc_m | SridarK: No, actually it's not on the list. The therpad has the agenda. | 19:17 |
| pc_m | etherpad | 19:17 |
| pc_m | Though they may still work on it some | 19:17 |
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| SridarK | pc_m: ok never mind stupid q - i should know how to click on a ling :-) | 19:17 |
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| SridarK | *link | 19:17 |
| pc_m | :) | 19:17 |
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| SridarK | ok cook if nothing else we can try to get back 12 mins to go save the world :-) | 19:18 |
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| SridarK | The next meeting will be on Jul 1 | 19:18 |
| pc_m | cool. Thanks SridarK | 19:18 |
| SridarK | alright folks have a good one | 19:18 |
| SridarK | bye | 19:19 |
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| sballe | bye | 19:19 |
| hoangcx | Thanks for today's discussion and see you in next meeting | 19:19 |
| xgerman | bye | 19:19 |
| hoangcx | Bye | 19:19 |
| badveli | xgerman in your investigation was there a case for east west traffic inspection | 19:19 |
| yanping | bye | 19:19 |
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| SridarK | #endmeeting | 19:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 19:19:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-06-17-18.32.html | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-06-17-18.32.txt | 19:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-06-17-18.32.log.html | 19:19 |
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| xgerman | badveli: Yes - people said they would like tom inspect traffic between VMs, etc. | 19:19 |
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| esp | o/ | 20:00 |
| krotscheck | dum de dum | 20:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 20:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 20:00 |
| tqtran_ | 0/ | 20:01 |
| mpavlase | hi o/ | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | Let's play Horizon | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | here's the players | 20:01 |
| asahlin | good day all | 20:01 |
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| mrunge | o/ | 20:01 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:01 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| kztsv_mbp | O/ | 20:01 |
| rhagarty_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | o/ | 20:01 |
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| btully | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mrunge | next time, we should count instead of o/'ing | 20:01 |
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| ducttape_ | 13 | 20:02 |
| tqtran_ | [_]/ | 20:02 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, :D | 20:02 |
| krotscheck | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | krotscheck: you're gonna run out of tables | 20:02 |
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| * ducttape_ sees that we are not linear thinkers | 20:02 | |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: I have a woodshop. I'll just make more. | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | alright, first the general stuff | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | L1 is Tuesday | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | LOL-1 you mean | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | I believe we've implemented 2 blueprints | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | so not the fastest jump out of the gate | 20:04 |
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| neillc_away | . | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | so I just want to do a quick status check on the top priorities | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | because the milestones really don't mean much, but 2 is much less than our past average of 10ish | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-horizon-liberty-priorities | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | The reOrg is still WIP | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | a patch or two has landed | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | still a ways to go | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | sound right r1chardj0n3s? | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | fixing style kinda got inserted as a top top top priority | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | I have no idea why | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yep, it's 95% done | 20:06 |
| krotscheck | Probably my fault. | 20:06 |
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| * krotscheck accepts all blame | 20:06 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | let's blame krotscheck | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck: no it went in the weeds before you | 20:06 |
| ducttape_ | I'd vote for plugin rework to be high priority | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | you just helped us steer further off course | 20:07 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: That doesn't mean you can't blame me :) | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | true | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: ++ | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think that the enforcement of JP style just ended up being way, way more work than expected | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: and in the end it's just code shuffling | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | oh well | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | on the reorg note, I felt compelled to file another bug introduced by the API patch landing (my bad, I didn't notice in the reviews :/ ) https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1465885 | 20:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465885 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "API reorg retained some framework/dashboard crossover" [Undecided,New] | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, it is | 20:08 |
| ducttape_ | if we can get the plugin stuff more flushed out, then new features can be added / fixed without all this refactor stuff impeding other work | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | for the translation fix, I saw django-babel made global requirements | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | or babel-django | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | are we happy with that path as a group? | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: I'm working on the plugin piece | 20:10 |
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| tqtran_ | yeah, i proposed the requirement | 20:10 |
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| tqtran_ | so i think we are in agreement | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I have most done, but testing is proving a little difficult to bootstrap | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | tqtran_: ok, good | 20:10 |
| ducttape_ | I recall agreeing with r1chardj0n3s on that i18n thing | 20:10 |
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| neillc | patch for babel-django is getting close I think | 20:10 |
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| neillc | (in horizon that is) | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | neillc: thanks neillc is it ready to review? or close to ready for review? | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | neillc: in case I forgot to type that | 20:12 |
| neillc | It's ready for review | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | excellent | 20:12 |
| neillc | There is also a follow on patch for angular gettext | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | sessions storage, lhcheng? | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188665/ | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192035/ (angular follow-on) | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | neillc: that looks less painful than I anticipated :) | 20:13 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: no progress, thought folks want to put everything in session | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (hm, I had hoped a bot would do something with those links :/ | 20:13 |
| neillc | Yep :) | 20:13 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: You have to prefix them with #link | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I think for launchpady stuff | 20:13 |
| ducttape_ | lhcheng - so that means we should abuse the session until it falls over ? | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: we need memcache either way | 20:14 |
| ducttape_ | which is to say, the same stuff we have been doing ? | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | so put it in the cache | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | same difference | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | in the end, it's a memcache backed store | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | do what makes sense to you | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | noone reviews d-o-a code anyway :P | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: I think session data should be small, and static data should be in the cache | 20:15 |
| ducttape_ | thats not exactly ideal for deployment, its a bit more work to use memcached | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: your cache could be db backed as well | 20:16 |
| doug-fish | lhcheng: are you talking about static data that would be cross session? | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: from the last summit, it seems the preference was just to use session db backend? and not to have extra setup | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_: is it because you want the session expiry part? | 20:17 |
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| ducttape_ | yeah, thats all fine. I'm good with it, but like the install / setup docs will need to cover how to ensure this is setup correctly (thinking like HA specifically) | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | sure | 20:17 |
| lhcheng | and david-lyle I think will update devstack to use db/memcahce session backend | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | I've heard that for some time :p | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | let's come up with a solution after the meeting | 20:18 |
| lhcheng | doug-fish: static data per user | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | yeah, yeah | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | ok and the style enforcement is well down the road | 20:19 |
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| ducttape_ | is that hurgleburgler's stuff/ | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | ? | 20:19 |
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| tqtran_ | no jscs enforcements | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | seems like we're generally making progress, we just didn't choose much low hanging fruit to start with | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | tqtran_: ? | 20:19 |
| tqtran_ | sorry, was answering ducttape_ | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | ok, I see | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | no, but hurgleburgler has some patches to review I know regarding theming | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | that would be very nice to land | 20:20 |
| tqtran_ | yes, she had a video explaining it too | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I'll add that to the priority list | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | they seemed pretty straight-forward | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | came about after the summit | 20:21 |
| hurgleburgler | I do, any eyes on them would be great | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | hence the omission | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hurgleburgler: linky? | 20:21 |
| hurgleburgler | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMY-4pg8-o0 | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMY-4pg8-o0 | 20:21 |
| hurgleburgler | :-D | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | I think we hijacked tqtran's question ;) | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | no, he was clarifying | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | see how well it worked | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:22 |
| tqtran_ | lol | 20:22 |
| tqtran_ | apparently my clarification needs further clarifying | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | I said style, but should have said coding style | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | style guide = no jscs enforcements | 20:22 |
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| david-lyle | no, jscs enforcements | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | lol | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | omg | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | anyway | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | see, commas matter above ;) | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | next item, autodiscovery | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | ah yes | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | seems reasonable enough | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191592/ | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | the first util patch already landed | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | my only concern was essentially embedding metadata in the filename | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | not very flexible | 20:24 |
| tqtran_ | django does it, and we havent had problems with it | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we've been developing patterns for filenames anyway | 20:24 |
| tqtran_ | its just file structuring, plus its something that is in the JP style guide and generally agreed on in the angular community | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | sure and the 1500 exceptions show we're pretty close on matching the style :P | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | it's fine | 20:25 |
| tqtran_ | we have taken that standard and basically developed a tool to discovery it | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | wow Mr Optimist here | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :) | 20:25 |
| tqtran_ | krotscheck: maybe something that can go into oslo at some point? | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | if other JS projects are interested in reusing it for their own | 20:26 |
| krotscheck | tqtran_: You mean autodiscovery? | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | yeah | 20:26 |
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| krotscheck | tqtran_: Maybe. Let me look at the patch. | 20:26 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so we're doing things quite differently to more conventional modern Javascript-heavy web apps | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not sure our solution makes sense outside of Horizon | 20:27 |
| krotscheck | tqtran_: THough if it's python based I'm going to guess no. | 20:27 |
| krotscheck | Something like a jasmine plugin however would definitely be useful. | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | what krotscheck said | 20:27 |
| tqtran_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190028/ its python based | 20:27 |
| tqtran_ | ok | 20:27 |
| tqtran_ | anyway, its almost done, so progress is good | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | I think that covers the top priorities, once we have a couple of those, the user's table can land | 20:29 |
| tqtran_ | speaking of which | 20:29 |
| tqtran_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190852/ | 20:29 |
| tqtran_ | is the starting point, i have broken up the patch into smaller consumable pieces | 20:29 |
| tqtran_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190865/ | 20:30 |
| tqtran_ | still waiting on translation to go through, but its making really good progress | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | excellent | 20:30 |
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| tqtran_ | and we have a good standard to base the work off of, so this will fit nicely into how we can direct other projects that want to horizon compatible | 20:30 |
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| tqtran_ | like the new magnum and cinder ui brad and zhenguo are leading | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | magnum and ironic, but I've been trying to link up krotscheck and zhenguo on the latter | 20:32 |
| tqtran_ | ops ironic lol | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | zhenguo: won't be on due to TZ | 20:32 |
| tqtran_ | not sure why i read cinder | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | WHere's he based? | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | China | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so likely sometime this evening. | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | not sure if Shanghai or Beijing | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | yes | 20:33 |
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| krotscheck | If all else fails, we can talk on the list | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | sure | 20:33 |
| tqtran_ | seems like all of china uses one time zone | 20:34 |
| krotscheck | tqtran_: It does. | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sensible | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | wow | 20:34 |
| krotscheck | UTC +8 | 20:34 |
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| tqtran_ | big country with one time zone, they should do it in the US, will save some headaches | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | western china sunrise at 2am? | 20:34 |
| tqtran_ | hahaha | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | where are we again? | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | last general item midcycle | 20:35 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Midcycle | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:35 | |
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| david-lyle | so we are strongly leaning toward July 21-23 in Fort Collins | 20:35 |
| mrunge | ugh | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | we won't be co-locating with Glance and Searchlight in that caes | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | case | 20:36 |
| tqtran_ | :( ok | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | lolz | 20:36 |
| * krotscheck will be in Napa ;) | 20:36 | |
| * mrunge can't attend then :( | 20:37 | |
| david-lyle | the other choice is july 28-30 in Boston or Blacksburg, VA and that could be co-located | 20:37 |
| mrunge | even worse | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | the third option is don't do a midcycle and save your travel karma for Tokyo | 20:37 |
| tqtran_ | Boston is closer to EU :) | 20:38 |
| mrunge | yes! | 20:38 |
| mrunge | and it's mid holiday season | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I'm open to suggestions | 20:38 |
| krotscheck | Maybe do a virtual sprint instead? | 20:38 |
| hurgleburgler | fort collins sounds nice too though | 20:38 |
| krotscheck | That's what infra's doing | 20:38 |
| Piet | Yup...my Birthday should be a holiday | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | The thing with a midcycle is, it won't work for everyone | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | never will | 20:39 |
| neillc | It will never work for everyone | 20:39 |
| ducttape_ | I'll help everyone stay hydrated in FC | 20:39 |
| krotscheck | NOte that they're also recommending that individual subproject teams arrange for their own colocation, if they deem that's necessary for productivity | 20:39 |
| * krotscheck shuts up about infra. | 20:39 | |
| hurgleburgler | and ANY place will be nicer than Tucson in july | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | we can do a virtual, but with the three corners of the TZ triangle covered finding common time is hard | 20:40 |
| mrunge | hurgleburgler, don't be sure about that | 20:40 |
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| hurgleburgler | any place on the list* | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck: we did some virtual last cycle, TZs are hard | 20:40 |
| mrunge | :P | 20:40 |
| tqtran_ | nice correction there :P | 20:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TZs are hard :/ | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | except in China | 20:40 |
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| david-lyle | haah | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I welcome our imminent single-TZ Chinese overlords | 20:41 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: Well, the alternative is meet 1/2 way. For infra, that meant Bora Bora (because half of us are Down Under) | 20:41 |
| mrunge | yeah, we should strictly stick to UTC, nothing else. | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (Australia has a dozen timezones, some of them on the half hour) | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | krotscheck: the Hawaii mid-cycle is *never* going to happen :) | 20:41 |
| neillc | Too be fair that's three TZ and one state that refused dst :) | 20:41 |
| mrunge | joking aside: would a mid-cycle in September an option, too? | 20:42 |
| tqtran_ | ooo hawaii.... | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | if we are going to do a midcycle we need to set the date and let people book travel | 20:42 |
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| david-lyle | I think Sept is too close to Oct 27 | 20:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | September is very late in the cycle | 20:42 |
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| mrunge | yes, I agree | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | should we vote? | 20:42 |
| mrunge | this cycle is a bit shorter than the other | 20:43 |
| tqtran_ | lets vote | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the spreadsheet is practically our votes | 20:44 |
| mrunge | esp. since last summit was later as usual | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but yeah, let's do this thing | 20:44 |
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| tqtran_ | hi cindy! | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hi cindy! | 20:44 |
| tqtran_ | :D putting the spot light on her | 20:44 |
| ducttape_ | cindy arrived to rock the vote | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :) | 20:44 |
| clu_ | o/ | 20:44 |
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| tqtran_ | david-lyle: i'd say if the spreadsheet shows that there is enough interest, then lets do it | 20:44 |
| tqtran_ | you decide :) | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | #startvote Midcyle? July 21, July 28, no | 20:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Midcyle? Valid vote options are July, 21, July, 28, no. | 20:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:45 |
| ducttape_ | I'd help out with Foco, but am not on the list fwiw | 20:45 |
| krotscheck | #abstain | 20:45 |
| * krotscheck thinks that's how it works. | 20:45 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | #vote July, 21 | 20:45 |
| openstack | r1chardj0n3s: July, 21 is not a valid option. Valid options are July, 21, July, 28, no. | 20:45 |
| Piet | I can help organize if in Fort Collins | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lol | 20:45 |
| mrunge | #vote no | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | oops | 20:45 |
| neillc | #vote July, 21 | 20:45 |
| openstack | neillc: July, 21 is not a valid option. Valid options are July, 21, July, 28, no. | 20:45 |
| hurgleburgler | #vote July, 21 | 20:45 |
| openstack | hurgleburgler: July, 21 is not a valid option. Valid options are July, 21, July, 28, no. | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #vote 21 | 20:45 |
| doug-fish | #vote 21 | 20:45 |
| ducttape_ | lol | 20:45 |
| lapalm | #vote 28 | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | so many commas | 20:45 |
| hurgleburgler | #vote 21 | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | bonus commas! | 20:46 |
| ducttape_ | #vote 21 | 20:46 |
| tqtran_ | #vote 21 | 20:46 |
| neillc | #vote 21 | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | #endvote | 20:46 |
| openstack | Voted on "Midcyle?" Results are | 20:46 |
| openstack | 28 (1): lapalm | 20:46 |
| openstack | 21 (6): neillc, ducttape_, r1chardj0n3s, tqtran_, doug-fish, hurgleburgler | 20:46 |
| openstack | no (1): mrunge | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | I forgot to vote (facepalm) | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lol | 20:47 |
| clu_ | #vote 21 | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | I'd be 21 as well | 20:47 |
| mpavlase | david-lyle: .. :D | 20:47 |
| neillc | One man, one vote? David is the man... | 20:47 |
| mrunge | 2000 dollar US just for a flight... | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | but that's like 6 EUD, right? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | ok that's 8 for July 21 and 1 for July 28, and 1 no | 20:48 |
| krotscheck | And just think of the # of carbon offsets you have to buy! | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | let's finalize July 21-23 in Fort Collins, CO. HP will host. | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ we made it! | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | DEN is the nearest airport | 20:49 |
| tqtran_ | ok | 20:49 |
| neillc | Grats :) | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | there are a couple of hotels near the Fort Collins site | 20:50 |
| kztsv_mbp | (the meeting seem to have come to a sudden halt..) | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | and more in town | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | ok will send email to the list | 20:50 |
| kztsv_mbp | oh no. seems like it was my client =/ my bad | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: if you are working at home we can try to sync you in | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | hangout or vidyo or bluejeans if we're feeling crazy | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | if on holiday, that won't work as well | 20:51 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, apparently the 10 person limit for vidyo has been removed | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | there were some agenda to cover, let's jump to that | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | #topic integration tests on the gate - enable Sahara? (svasheka, mpavlase) it will presumably make integration job green. | 20:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration tests on the gate - enable Sahara? (svasheka, mpavlase) it will presumably make integration job green. (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:51 | |
| david-lyle | I voted +1 on the patch, don't have handy | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | makes sense while in tree | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | I'm still working on moving to contrib | 20:52 |
| mpavlase | thanks for highlight the topic | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | but that will still be in tree | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | basically, sahara is not enabled by default in devstack | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | this patch enables it for horizon test runs | 20:53 |
| mpavlase | current integration tests are failing on 4 tests, two of them are caused by disabled sahara in gate job... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192645/ | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | so going back to what was formerly expected behavior | 20:53 |
| mrunge | makes sense to have it! | 20:53 |
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| david-lyle | this will help fix integration madness | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | thanks mpavlase | 20:54 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Linter switch discussion, jscs/eslint | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Linter switch discussion, jscs/eslint (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:54 | |
| krotscheck | hi hi | 20:54 |
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| krotscheck | So, turns out eslint is actually on the YVR Roadmap? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-horizon-liberty-priorities | 20:54 |
| mpavlase | the rest are there because something is broken on horizon, let me find the patch... | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | And, well, linting is now running in the gate. | 20:55 |
| * david-lyle wonders why krotscheck likes lint so much | 20:55 | |
| krotscheck | Sorry, in the check queue. It's not voting yet. | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:55 |
| mpavlase | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189792/ | 20:55 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: It's my bellybutton. Don't judge. | 20:55 |
| mpavlase | aha.. next topic is already here.. | 20:55 |
| krotscheck | I've also put together this patch, which switches to ESLint, turns off a bunch of rules (flags the ones that were turned off), but activates the john papa style rules. | 20:55 |
| krotscheck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192327/ | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | most importantly, does the error count go down? no point switching tools if the error count doesn't go down :) | 20:56 |
| krotscheck | Note that there's some overlap there (which is why the # of failures is 1100 rather than 1500 with jscs). Notably, line length. | 20:56 |
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| asahlin | krotscheck: With the swtich to ESLint, does JSHint go away as well? | 20:57 |
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| krotscheck | asahlin: It should. | 20:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | why is line length turned off? | 20:57 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: I can turn it back on. | 20:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we want line length 100, yes? | 20:57 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: It's just not part of the papa rules. | 20:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sure, but it's part of our rules | 20:57 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: we could do that subsequently | 20:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | with the gettext/etc. caveats we built into jscs | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | fix the other 1100 say | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | and then tackle 400 more | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | and enable the check | 20:58 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so my problem is that it's hard to know what to work on in that 1100 | 20:58 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: The point is that we can reactivate all the rules we want (and argue about which rules we want) once the papa guides are in place. | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | that's what we've done with the pep8 changes in the past | 20:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | krotscheck: my point is we *already* argued about that | 20:58 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | don't make us argue it again, please | 20:58 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: I really don't care which rules are activated or deactivated. | 20:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sure, then just duplicate the jscs set please | 20:58 |
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| asahlin | +1 ^^ | 20:59 |
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| david-lyle | we won't have you hiding our disgrace | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | this tool change should have zero functionlity change (like the translation tool change) | 20:59 |
| tqtran_ | r1chardj0n3s:+1 | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | I don't have a strong preference as to which linter | 21:00 |
| asahlin | the jscs rules were papa plus our caveats | 21:00 |
| krotscheck | r1chardj0n3s: I don't think the zero functionality change expectation is reasonable | 21:00 |
| krotscheck | But we're out of time. | 21:00 |
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| tqtran_ | if we make the switch, i prefer to not see another 20+ patches style fixes | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | if eslint works more broadly and works for us, ok | 21:00 |
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| krotscheck | I don't see any disagreements with switching to eslint. Do I have that right? | 21:01 |
| krotscheck | It's just the rules themselves that are under discussion. | 21:01 |
| krotscheck | In that case, can I ask for help trying to map the .jscs exceptions to eslint? | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | we pushed up to the end today, if we want to discuss more let's move to #horizon | 21:01 |
| krotscheck | kk | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 21:02:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-06-17-20.00.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-06-17-20.00.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-06-17-20.00.log.html | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone | 21:02 |
| mpavlase | I'd like to encourage all of you.. there are patches with several +1 for a quite long time (often) and there is no such attention to have it merged or discussed why don't do that... it's stucked please can you take a look for it? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/horizon+file:%255E.*/integration_tests/.*+status:open,n,z | 21:02 |
| mpavlase | damn... late :-( | 21:02 |
| neillc | o/ | 21:02 |
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| david-lyle | mpavlase: I think there was a different patch that landed to address that Change-Id: If0f4c7014a7a68f2ff0d0f2cb06f7b1c2e28436b | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | the user form part | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | not the last thing you mentioned | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | last one probably just overlooked | 21:04 |
| mpavlase | david-lyle: that can be pretty possible, let me check the old link again... | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191784/ | 21:05 |
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| david-lyle | is the review for the changeId I posted | 21:05 |
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| mpavlase | david-lyle: yes, it's correct, I wanted to post this one: Change-Id: If0f4c7014a7a68f2ff0d0f2cb06f7b1c2e28436b | 21:06 |
| mpavlase | david-lyle: thanks | 21:06 |
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| david-lyle | sure, so once the job change merges to enable sahara for horizon, we should have working integration tests again \o/ | 21:07 |
| david-lyle | should | 21:07 |
| david-lyle | :P | 21:07 |
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| mpavlase | david-lyle: I hope so too :-) | 21:08 |
| david-lyle | sorry to cut you short in the meeting, I yammered too long | 21:09 |
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| mpavlase | david-lyle: but still I'm pretty sad about traffic about integration tests... the patches looks good (not only for me, have several +1) and nothing more happened. No votes, no merges... it's stucked... | 21:10 |
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| david-lyle | mpavlase: I fallen a bit behind on those, I must admit | 21:11 |
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| david-lyle | I was trying to pushing all I saw, then they broke for a couple of months | 21:11 |
| mpavlase | david-lyle: do you think that it's because non-voting gate job? | 21:11 |
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| david-lyle | I had to make it non-voting because the test failures weren't pointing out real bugs and the solution wasn't obvious | 21:12 |
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| david-lyle | if the tests are working, we'll make it voting again | 21:12 |
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| david-lyle | but selenium tests on devstack end up being pretty delicate | 21:13 |
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| mpavlase | david-lyle: what do you mean delicate in this relation? | 21:15 |
| david-lyle | prone to breaking | 21:15 |
| mpavlase | aha.. | 21:15 |
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| mpavlase | david-lyle: I'm leaving now. Thanks and see you next time :-) | 21:18 |
| david-lyle | thaanks mpavlase | 21:19 |
| david-lyle | thanks even | 21:19 |
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