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| nikhil_k | Courtesy artifacts-meeting reminder: nikhil, ativelkov, mfedosin, sigmavirus24, flaper87, kragniz | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance Artifacts sub-team meeting | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 14:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance Artifacts sub-team meeting)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team_meeting' | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #chair ativelkov | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ativelkov nikhil_k | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: Glance Artifacts sub-team meeting)" | 14:02 | |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| * kragniz lurks | 14:02 | |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: I guess we have some updates for people to be aware about? | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Besides that, I wanted to quickly discuss what do we mean by FastTrack and what we need to be carefuly about while merging patches. | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: not much. One of my artifact-related commits to oslo.versioned_objects broke nova and cinder tests last week, so I mostly was fixing that | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | gotcha. thanks. | 14:04 |
| ativelkov | So, the first oslo.vo-related patch to glance will be submitted today | 14:04 |
| ativelkov | I'll share the link when it's ready for reviews | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | In that case.. | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Define: FastTrack | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Define: FastTrack (Meeting topic: Glance Artifacts sub-team meeting)" | 14:05 | |
| ativelkov | yup | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | To be carefuly about not breaking OS wide acceptance and ensuring we are compliant to the rest of the community standards, I believe we need to jot this down a bit | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | Somewhat along the lines of the infra manual | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | Basically, I find it really important that we include and respect changes in a particilar commit that are related to the following items (must NOT miss): | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | 1. Upgrades (document and clearly identity the right flags) | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | 2. Config changes (irrespective of the updates. documented and ensure that we keep them usable for operators) | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | 3. API changes (breaking or otherwise, if they impact API) | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | (above includes schema changes) | 14:09 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: does p3 include the case if the change impacts only v3 part (i.e. experimantal API) - | 14:09 |
| ativelkov | ? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | 4. DB schema and migration changes | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | 5. notification, authN, authZ _standards_ changes in the project | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes please. We don't need big additions just those that indicate what and where things have changed | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | So, we put ApiImpact flag anyway? Got it | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: this will also keep history fetch easily available and avoid commit reverts and extreneous conversations | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | We then know for what reasons which changes has been made | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | have*9 | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Has there been any progress with the API-WG on the API spec for artifacts? | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | (just a slightly tangential question, sorry) | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | Those are the ones I could think about. | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: yes. thanks for bringing that up. | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | I think we can just set a date to start the conversation to void getting delayed in Liberty | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | just after the client I will start to work on api | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | On Wednesday I suppose | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | yup, I wanted to have this conversation already started, but oslo-related changes take too much time, unfortunately | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | To keep everyone aware, these conversations can happen for more than a week or two so, we can start small and start omre prep as we move along | 14:15 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Also, if you can't make it to IRC meetings, please send discussion to the mailing list | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | (for the API design that is) | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | The reason I bring that up is because we've already started merging API code, including routes, and any updates that need to be made to conform to the spec will need an APIImpact flag I guess | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Which seems a little odd since v3 isn't really released, unless people are working against the liberty 1 milestone (8.0.0b1 for us) | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | 11.0.x ? | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | er yeah | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry, dealing with keystone a lot lately has my version numbers confused | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | cool, np. | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | We have some push back on keeping Liberty v3 EXPERIMENTAL however, it would be nice to discuss that option with the WG | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | I'll really try to get it started this week | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | btw discussion mailing list turns into hell, because everyone has own opinion. Can it be more private? | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | mfedosin: we will have discussion in the open and get to the state that would make most sense | 14:19 |
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| mfedosin | be prepared for hell in the mailing list then :) | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | we can't keep everyone happy however, opinions can be accomodated in a rational perspective and not political interests | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | The problem is that most of our "controversal" API design decisions were made bacause of other peoples' opinion :) | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: there seemed to be a lot of consensus about the feedback left on the spec in the meeting(s) that I was in where it was discussed | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | i.e. the separations into different resource collections for artifacts in different states were made because Mark has aked for it | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yeah, that's one thing project leader(s) need to take the hit on | 14:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | i.e. you probably just listend to the wrong people =P | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | or people changed :-) | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: :) Well, Mark was a PTL at that time )) | 14:21 |
| * sigmavirus24 is just teasing a bit | 14:22 | |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | understandable situation | 14:22 |
| ativelkov | OK, I'll try to write a short summary of our API issues this week | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | Well, we now have greater competence too | 14:22 |
| ativelkov | When is API WG IRC meeting? | 14:23 |
| mfedosin | rather then listen to other people advise we can give our own :) | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #info API WG meeting sched http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#API_Working_Group | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | wow. 3 am my time this week | 14:24 |
| * mfedosin puts it in his calendar | 14:24 | |
| ativelkov | next week is much better | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: we can sync tomorrow and start it there | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: yeah, we should either start discussing on the spec or the ML | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | one or the other | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | I don't sleep at this time anyway | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | (or both) | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: usually people take their time and give more feedback in the following meeting | 14:25 |
| ativelkov | got it | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: does that work? ^ | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: it's already been 2 or three meetings since people reviewed the spec | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | They'll probably re-review it when it makes sense to | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, but digesting our feedback adn coming up with rational usually takes time afaik | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | Best is getting references, that usually solves the purpose | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance client initial support | 14:27 |
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| mfedosin | folks, we have 3 minutes left. I want to talk about the client | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: by all means :-) | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | It's almost done and there are several commits | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189860/ | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | I need one day to put it in a order | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | who can I ping to review them? | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | tomorrow or on Wednesday | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | np | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | cool, thank you | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | we need the client to begin writing tests | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | tempest? | 14:29 |
| ativelkov | I'd prefer to start bothering with tempest only when the API is STABLE | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | ostf I think | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | agree with ativelkov | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | and tempest next | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | it can make things ugly | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | or at least approved by API WG | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | ok, we are out of time | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | thanks folks | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | Let's discuss in the prj channel if needed | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | thanks! | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | Thanks folks | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 14:31:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team_meeting/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team_meeting.2015-07-06-14.02.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team_meeting/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team_meeting.2015-07-06-14.02.txt | 14:31 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 16:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:00 | |
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| j^2 | Hey everyone! | 16:00 |
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| jklare | o/ | 16:00 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:00 |
| j^2 | like normal i’ll give everyone a couple mins to join | 16:00 |
| j^2 | markvan isn’t going to be here today, he’s on vacation all week | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | #topic <sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:02 | |
| j^2 | any last words on this sc` or can we put it to bed? | 16:02 |
| sc` | just have an outstanding PR against the mariadb cookbook | 16:03 |
| j^2 | or ar we still waiting on mariadb? | 16:03 |
| sc` | once that PR is merged and a new version is pushed to supermarket, c7 should be good until the next repo change to get the midstream stuff out for kilo | 16:04 |
| j^2 | awesome | 16:04 |
| j^2 | well we can check up on this PR weekly untill it’s merged then ;) | 16:04 |
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| j^2 | #topic specs.openstack.org | 16:04 |
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| j^2 | I only spent a couple mins looking into it | 16:05 |
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| j^2 | it seems we just need to abide by their repos and make some infra changes and we can make it happen | 16:05 |
| j^2 | iirc we’ll be atomaticly posted via the community page when the specs are merged too | 16:05 |
| j^2 | it can help with recriutment | 16:06 |
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| j^2 | i’ll still own making this happen, and attempt to make some more progess this week | 16:06 |
| j^2 | Questions? | 16:06 |
| jklare | nope, sounds good | 16:06 |
| sc` | sounds good to me | 16:06 |
| j^2 | kk | 16:06 |
| j^2 | #topic How to handle cross project CI testing. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to handle cross project CI testing. (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:06 | |
| j^2 | any new thoughts on this topic? | 16:07 |
| j^2 | we’ve merged some of the changes, | 16:07 |
| j^2 | and the wiki now has a how to | 16:07 |
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| j^2 | so in theory if you had to change something in common and something else dependant on it it zuul should converge correctly | 16:07 |
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| jklare | the patch for the ci non-voting job is out, we just need to port our integration testing to all cookbooks i guess | 16:08 |
| j^2 | that sounds correct | 16:09 |
| j^2 | cool, anything else? | 16:10 |
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| jklare | nope | 16:10 |
| j^2 | #topic <markvan> keystone under apache, blueprint patches submitted | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<markvan> keystone under apache, blueprint patches submitted (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:11 | |
| j^2 | so markvan isn’t here but i wanted to mention something about this | 16:11 |
| j^2 | i’m pretty sure this fix has broken horizon | 16:11 |
| j^2 | I’ve built the testing stack on master a few times now and even since this started i havent been able to see horizon | 16:12 |
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| j^2 | i’m bringing this up because i’d like a conformation of my findings | 16:12 |
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| j^2 | either of yall can spend some cycles on the confirmation? | 16:12 |
| jklare | is there something specific we can look for? | 16:13 |
| j^2 | yep, if you can log into horizon ;) | 16:13 |
| jklare | i see | 16:14 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:14 |
| j^2 | yeah it’s the only thing releated to the web fronted that we’ve touched in a while, and it broke around the same time. I’d just like to confirm i’m not crazy | 16:14 |
| jklare | i will work on making it work for us on 15.04 anyways this week, so i can check if horizon is there | 16:14 |
| j^2 | rock on | 16:14 |
| sc` | i'll kick off a build against master | 16:15 |
| j^2 | sc`: :D | 16:15 |
| j^2 | awesome, anything else on this topic? | 16:15 |
| j^2 | #topic <j^2> Remove Spiceweasal referances: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196757/ | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<j^2> Remove Spiceweasal referances: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196757/ (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:16 | |
| j^2 | I’d like some eyes on that review | 16:16 |
| j^2 | I think it’s time to say we can remove spiceweasal | 16:16 |
| j^2 | i think that takes all referances of it away | 16:17 |
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| jklare | will look at it | 16:17 |
| j^2 | cool | 16:18 |
| j^2 | and last topic | 16:18 |
| j^2 | #topic <j^2> AIO-Neutron Update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196858/ | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<j^2> AIO-Neutron Update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196858/ (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:18 | |
| j^2 | I’ve taken the job of getting the aio-neutron story more repeatabl | 16:18 |
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| j^2 | this is the first review ideally a couple more to clean up some things we were just wrong on | 16:19 |
| j^2 | if yall could take some moments and take a look that would be awesome | 16:19 |
| jklare | sure | 16:20 |
| j^2 | i’m adding to the integration tests the build of the neutron networks also and booting inside of the network too with nova. i took a stab at it over the weekend, ideally i should have that review pushed up today | 16:20 |
| j^2 | please keep an eye out for it | 16:20 |
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| j^2 | eventually i’d like a multi-neutron build also so we can test with multi-node deployments; from the progress we’ve made it doesn’t seem that far off | 16:21 |
| j^2 | any other questions or thoughts on this topic? | 16:22 |
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| j^2 | cool | 16:23 |
| j^2 | #topic Open Discussion | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:23 | |
| j^2 | anything yall would like recorded here? | 16:23 |
| j^2 | or do you want your 30+ mins back? | 16:23 |
| sc` | i'm good | 16:23 |
| j^2 | jklare: ? | 16:24 |
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| jklare | im good | 16:24 |
| j^2 | k, thanks guys! | 16:25 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 16:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 16:25:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-07-06-16.00.html | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-07-06-16.00.txt | 16:25 |
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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 21:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:01 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: ryansb kragniz o/ | 21:01 |
| vkmc | o& | 21:01 |
| ryansb | \l | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | anyone around ? | 21:01 |
| ryansb | \o | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:01 |
| vkmc | ops, that's a weird arm | 21:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 21:01 |
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| vkmc | there | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:01 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | that's our agenda for today | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | Not much to discuss, really | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Relevant reviews | 21:02 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zaqar+branch:master+topic:pre-signed,n,z | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | Those patches implement the pre-signed URL feature we need for L-2 | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | I'm having some fights with py34 and py27 | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | fun thing is that those tests pass locally | 21:02 |
| ryansb | oh, nice | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | anyway, the feature should be complete with those patches | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | which will allow for the client side code to be written | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | It'd be really amazing if we could get as many comments as possible there asap | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | therve already did some reviews | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | Any comments/questions? | 21:03 |
| * ryansb hasn't reviewed those | 21:04 | |
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| ryansb | no q's yet. | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: coolio, drop some on those reviews | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zaqar+branch:master+topic:bp/cross-transport-api-spec-messages,n,z | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | That's the cross-transport fitler | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | WE gotta get those merged | 21:05 |
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| flaper87 | I +2'd the message impl today | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | not sure if flwang already got to that | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | btw, flwang you around? | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | nope | 21:05 |
| vkmc | re presigned, I have been checking those today but I want to reread them, will submit reviews soon | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: sounds awesome, thanks for taking the time | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | ask as many questions as possible | 21:05 |
| vkmc | re cross transport, I have to work a bit more on claims, there are odd things going on there | 21:05 |
| vkmc | sure, thanks flaper87 for working on it | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | we want to make that pre-signed feature stable enough to not shoot ourselves on our feet | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: roger, I think messages is already a good step forward | 21:06 |
| vkmc | yeah, that is a good idea | 21:06 |
| vkmc | haha | 21:06 |
| vkmc | cool! | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | It'd be coold if we could start working on the push notifications feature | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 21:06 |
| vkmc | I remember seeing therve asking for notifications with websocket | 21:06 |
| vkmc | certainly our next step after claims | 21:07 |
| vkmc | lol | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | we had a discussion the other day that I have yet to write into a spec | 21:07 |
| vkmc | I'll check the backlog | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | I'll try to find the time this week but I don't promisse much | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: that was in os-zaqar some time last week | 21:07 |
| vkmc | flaper87, cool, thx | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196674/ | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | That's zaqar client | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | diga has been putting lots of efforts on the CLI | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | lets give that one some priorities | 21:08 |
| vkmc | yeah \o/ | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | erm, I mean, lets bump its priority to something higher | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Doraly+Navarro%22+status:open,n,z | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | last but not least | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | Those are dynarros reviews | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | there's still some work there but there are some that are ready to be merged | 21:09 |
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| flaper87 | so, please, take a look there too. Those patches make the library better | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's all I have | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | since we have ryansb here | 21:10 |
| vkmc | cool, thanks dynarro! | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic News from Heat-land | 21:10 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: ^ do you have something for us? | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | apparently we had him | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | I'll make sure I ask later | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates from other teams | 21:11 |
| ryansb | yeah, I do | 21:11 |
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| flaper87 | #undo | 21:11 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: goooooo | 21:12 |
| ryansb | lol | 21:12 |
| vkmc | hahaha | 21:12 |
| ryansb | ok, so we merged zaqar as a software config transport | 21:12 |
| ryansb | which is great | 21:12 |
| ryansb | we're still working on an event format to send user events | 21:12 |
| ryansb | and that's it from heat | 21:13 |
| ryansb | unless therve is around/has anything | 21:13 |
| flaper87 | mmh, I don't think he is | 21:13 |
| flaper87 | those are great news | 21:13 |
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| flaper87 | How are you guys testing things? | 21:13 |
| ryansb | therve is mocking zaqarclient, I think | 21:14 |
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| ryansb | we just kinda trust that zaqar will work | 21:14 |
| flaper87 | oooook, any chance we can help with a functional gfate? is that something you guys want ? | 21:14 |
| ryansb | not sure, I don't know if we're looking at that atm | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, do let us know | 21:15 |
| ryansb | kk | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | That also reminds me. We gotta fix the functional gate for zaqarclient | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | oh gosh, so many things | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: thanks for the updates | 21:15 |
| ryansb | and (non-heat related) the swift transport is almost passing zaqar's functional tests | 21:15 |
| ryansb | so that's cool | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: oh that's coool indeed | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | :D :D :D | 21:16 |
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| flwang | o/ | 21:16 |
| vkmc | oh yes, I was going to bring that up | 21:16 |
| flwang | sorry for the late | 21:16 |
| vkmc | we need to review that driver | 21:16 |
| flwang | blame the morning traffic | 21:16 |
| vkmc | is looking really good | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | that reminds me | 21:16 |
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| flaper87 | (moving on) | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | #topic News from other projects | 21:17 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196755/ | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | ^ that's also really cool | 21:17 |
| vkmc | hi flwang! | 21:17 |
| flwang | vkmc: hi guys | 21:17 |
| vkmc | flaper87, sweeeee | 21:17 |
| vkmc | t | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | Swift's notification middleware that uses zaqar | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | I mean, it's not required | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | but Zaqar is a totally valid option | 21:17 |
| ryansb | neat | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | w0000h0000 | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | #topic email publisher | 21:18 |
| flwang | i'm looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196755/ very interesting... | 21:18 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: news on $topic ? | 21:18 |
| flwang | flaper87:i'm going to submit a patch this week | 21:19 |
| * flaper87 is making up these topics at runtime. Bare with me, everything is coming to mind as we go | 21:19 | |
| flwang | still coding | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | flwang: cooolio, as long as you say you're coding, I'm happy | 21:19 |
| flwang | flaper87: hah | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | it'd be really nice to get it up this week | 21:19 |
| ryansb | JIT_agenda++ | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | ryansb++ | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | #topic Upcoming Summit | 21:20 |
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| flaper87 | yeah yeah, it's probably too early bbut I'd like to have more time to prepare things | 21:20 |
| ryansb | summit already? | 21:21 |
| * ryansb checks calendar | 21:21 | |
| flaper87 | The first thing I'd like to highlight is that there are folks (vkmc, dynarro, cpallares and shaifali) looking forward to present | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | The CFP is open and it'll close on July 15th | 21:21 |
| vkmc | \o/ | 21:21 |
| vkmc | didn't know about dynarro, cool | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | so, get your abstracts in there and if you want help to review them and provide feedback on topics etc, please let us know | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I saw shaifali pinged her earlier today | 21:22 |
| ryansb | indeed, I'm happy to review too | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | I'm not really sure if she's actually going to | 21:22 |
| vkmc | flaper87, oh she will | 21:22 |
| vkmc | sweet! | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I know, right? ;) | 21:22 |
| vkmc | it would be nice to have a prez of Zaqar + Heat | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | to be clear, I'm not going to present this time. | 21:23 |
| vkmc | flaper87, damn | 21:23 |
| vkmc | it was targeted to you directly | 21:23 |
| vkmc | hahahaha | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I think zaqar+heat would be amazing | 21:23 |
| flwang | flaper87: what's the current status of zaqar + heat? | 21:23 |
| flwang | any link/spec about that? | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | flwang: ryansb just updated us, mind reading the summary later? | 21:24 |
| ryansb | flwang: we just merged zaqar as a transport for softwareconfig | 21:24 |
| ryansb | see meeting notes for details | 21:24 |
| flwang | flaper87: ryansb: cool, thanks | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | np | 21:24 |
| flwang | i will read the summary | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | ok, back to the topic | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | Please, send many abstracts, I think Zaqar+Heat or Zaqar+Swift would be great to have | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | It'd be awesome to show people real-world use cases | 21:25 |
| ryansb | zaqar+swift as in "using zaqar as a swift notifier" | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | rather than talking a lot about the internals | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: yes | 21:25 |
| ryansb | gotcha | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | (related to the patch I just shared) | 21:25 |
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| flaper87 | mmh, actually, swift+zaqar+Swift | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | that'd be sweet too | 21:25 |
| ryansb | lol | 21:25 |
| ryansb | stacks on stacks on stacks | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:26 |
| * flaper87 does the containers dance | 21:26 | |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | #topic Policy support | 21:26 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179673/ | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | kragniz seems to be very busy lately | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | I'm not sure if he'll have the time to tackle that one | 21:27 |
| flwang | flaper87: i can talk with him | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | I'll ping him again later but, in case he doesn't have time, would any of you like to take it? | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | flwang: +1 | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | flwang: that'd be great | 21:27 |
| flwang | i can take it back if he don't have bandwidthg | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | to get a clear view | 21:27 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: do you have the b/w ? | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | :) | 21:27 |
| flwang | flaper87: good question | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | flwang: any spare minion ? | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | I have one in mind, diga | 21:28 |
| flwang | you can take it either, boss | 21:28 |
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| flwang | then i can focus on the email notification | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | but that's the only name that comes to mind | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yeah, it's better to get that email publisher done | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | flwang: you focus on that one, I'll see what can be done with the policy spec | 21:29 |
| flwang | flaper87: ok, coojl | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | We have other contributors that would be happy to help | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | ok, now I ran out of topics | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 21:30 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 21:30 |
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| flaper87 | #info There won't be a meeting next week (and probably the one after next week) | 21:30 |
| vkmc | whaaa? | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: holidays :) | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | you're happy to join us | 21:31 |
| vkmc | ohh | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | I know you'll like that | 21:31 |
| vkmc | yeah I need holidays | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | s/happy/welcome/ | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | but also happy | 21:31 |
| vkmc | but I have some things to finish | 21:31 |
| vkmc | unfortunately >.> | 21:31 |
| ryansb | nice. We'll see you when you get back then. | 21:32 |
| vkmc | hey guys, its flaper87's birthday | 21:32 |
| vkmc | :D | 21:32 |
| flwang | flaper87: i would like to know your current opinion about 'queue' of zaqar | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: me too but remember, procrastination makes you better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5dRX_9bj0 | 21:32 |
| ryansb | \o/ happy birthday! | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: oh, thank you :D | 21:32 |
| vkmc | flwang, that's a good question | 21:32 |
| vkmc | we should revisit that | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | flwang: you mean the spec to s/queue/topic/ ? | 21:32 |
| flwang | flaper87: sorry for the tough question as your birthday gift | 21:33 |
| flwang | flaper87: yes, i'm not a fan to move to topic, TBH | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | flwang: haha, no worries, I get younger every year ;) | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | flwang: my current opinion is that we did a big thing by making queue's a non-required resource | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | it's now a background thing | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | and messages are all we care about | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | the rename can be posponed (or never done) | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | My current thinking is that we should focus on improving what we have and the less we talk about queues the better | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | That is, Zaqar is a messaging service and that's what it provides | 21:34 |
| flwang | flaper87: i asked because i just noticed swift notification middleware is using the 'queue' | 21:34 |
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| flwang | that said, the integrations are happening, is depending on 'queue' | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | Yeah, I need to re-read the patch. I commented on an earlier PS saying that queue's are lazy | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | I think they shouldn't rely on queue creation | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | that said, I think we may have to stick with queue as a resource name | 21:36 |
| * flaper87 shrugs | 21:36 | |
| flwang | flaper87: that's my point | 21:36 |
| flwang | flaper87: i prefer to keep 'queue' as supported, though it maybe not recommend by zaqar's ptl | 21:36 |
| flaper87 | I guess the TL;DR is that I don't care enough for now. Lets work on making people use API >=1.1 | 21:37 |
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| flaper87 | or even >=2 | 21:37 |
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| vkmc | if we could rename queue -> topic | 21:37 |
| vkmc | without changing the api too much | 21:37 |
| ryansb | I don't see how renaming it matters all that much | 21:37 |
| flwang | vkmc: then, what's the benefit? | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: exactly | 21:37 |
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| vkmc | the thing is that users complain that the queues don't behave like a queue | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | At some point it seemed quite important to me but the more I thought about it the less I cared | 21:38 |
| vkmc | and that is right | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | We worked on changing the API itself instead of just the name of the resource | 21:38 |
| vkmc | I don't care either, but I know that this has generated some noise in the past | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | and I believe the result was better | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I think it was a set of things put together mission+queues+name+API | 21:39 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yeah of course | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | now we're just left with that silly name | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | which we can just tell people to ignore | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:39 |
| vkmc | but the fact that our queues are not FIFO was the biggest complain | 21:39 |
| vkmc | hehe yes | 21:39 |
| ryansb | yeah, that's a fair complaint I think. | 21:39 |
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| flaper87 | well, our queues were FIFO | 21:40 |
| vkmc | not really | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | we then moved them down the chain | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | yes they were | 21:40 |
| vkmc | we had the get_by_id endpoint | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | that was a requirement | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | sure, which we didn't have in 1.1 | 21:40 |
| vkmc | oh yes | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | queue's are behind messages now | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | FIFO is optional | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | and it's a storage feature | 21:41 |
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| flaper87 | rather than an API guarantee | 21:41 |
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| flaper87 | One of Zaqar's goals has always been to answer the need of: "Gimme an url to post messages" | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | I think we have that now without extra requirements | 21:42 |
| flwang | flaper87: and i have another topic, redis | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | we still have queues in the URL but oh well | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | flwang: sup with that? | 21:43 |
| flwang | redis seems like a second citizen compared with mongo | 21:43 |
| flwang | thought we don't admit that | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | oh we do admit that | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | I want to change that story | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | FWIW | 21:44 |
| flwang | that said, should we start to fill the gap | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I guess you're referring to the lack of support for subscriptions | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | right? | 21:44 |
| flwang | flaper87: not really | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: what gap are you referring to? | 21:44 |
| flwang | actually, there are many TODO in redis driver | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: but is there a feature gap? | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | other than those TODOs ? | 21:45 |
| ryansb | flwang: to be fair, there are TODOs in other places too | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: are those TODOs something you'd like to work on? I know you love redis | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:45 |
| flwang | pool, flavor, catalogue | 21:45 |
| flwang | brb | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | flwang: right, but that's management | 21:45 |
| ryansb | heh, I do like redis, but I haven't actually looked at the driver. | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | we split management and message planes on purpose | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | I don't think the lack of support for creating pool/flavor/catalogue resources means we don't care about redis | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | actually, that allows us to focus more on the data plane, which is where we want redis to rock | 21:46 |
| vkmc | still... you would need mongo for management | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: or sqla :) | 21:46 |
| ryansb | I can add it to my list, but I'd rather do the swift driver first | 21:47 |
| vkmc | or sqla | 21:47 |
| vkmc | yes | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: +1 | 21:47 |
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| flaper87 | we need https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1471193 fixed | 21:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471193 in zaqar "Don't assume the queue controller is in the same storage" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Digambar (digambarpatil15) | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | diga took it | 21:47 |
| ryansb | vkmc: fwiw, I'm building swift as data-only, and rely on having sqla available | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | That bug needs to be fixed to make the redis+sqla combination work | 21:47 |
| ryansb | (or mongodb) | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: +1 | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | I think that's totally fair | 21:47 |
| vkmc | ryansb, yeah :) | 21:47 |
| vkmc | it is | 21:47 |
| vkmc | same thing for websocket, in the transport side | 21:48 |
| vkmc | if it doesn't make sense to have management its just finde | 21:48 |
| vkmc | fine+ | 21:48 |
| ryansb | yeah, I dunno how I'm going to get swift to do subscriptions yet | 21:48 |
| ryansb | claims work fine. | 21:48 |
| ryansb | cross that bridge when I get there. | 21:48 |
| vkmc | ryansb++ | 21:49 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: if it becomes really hard to get subscriptions there, I'd say you shouldn't even bother | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | really | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | swift as a data plane storage is a great thing to have | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | for management, there are other things | 21:50 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 21:50 |
| vkmc | one day we should discuss further if the options we now provide for management are good | 21:50 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: storage options ? | 21:51 |
| vkmc | good as in ops friendly | 21:51 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yeah | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | oh, sqla is very ops friendly | 21:51 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 21:51 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:51 |
| vkmc | haha | 21:51 |
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| flaper87 | jokes apart, I agree | 21:51 |
| vkmc | cool | 21:51 |
| vkmc | :) | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | for now I guess I'm happy because I know ops have experience with both mongo and sqla | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | more with the later, likely | 21:52 |
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| vkmc | yeah, if they want to deploy zaqar they don't need any odd dependency | 21:52 |
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| flaper87 | ok, if there isn't anything else, I'll end this meeting | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | we used the whole slot | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | I did not expect that | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:53 |
| ryansb | work expands to fill the time available | 21:54 |
| ryansb | I think that's a law or something | 21:54 |
| ryansb | ;) | 21:54 |
| vkmc | hahaha | 21:54 |
| vkmc | it was a very productive meeting indeed | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | ryansb's law | 21:55 |
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| flaper87 | coolio, thanks all for attending and the amazing feedback | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | catch you all in os-zaqar! | 21:55 |
| ryansb | thanks flaper87, seeya | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | rock on | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 21:55:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-06-21.01.html | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-06-21.01.txt | 21:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-06-21.01.log.html | 21:55 |
| vkmc | thanks guys! o/ | 21:55 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: logs? :) <3 | 21:56 |
| vkmc | flaper87, sure :) | 21:57 |
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