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| mmasaki | Can anyone review this? Thanks in advance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164671/ | 02:37 |
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| jroll | who's here for the ironic meeting? | 04:59 |
| jroll | going to get started, no deva tonight it seems | 05:00 |
| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 05:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:01 |
| jroll | agenda is here: | 05:01 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 05:01 |
| mrda | o/ | 05:01 |
| jroll | #chair devananda | 05:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: devananda jroll | 05:01 |
| jroll | #chair NobodyCam | 05:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 05:01 |
| jroll | #topic Announcements | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:01 | |
| jroll | in case you missed it last week, midcycle is locked in | 05:02 |
| jroll | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ironic-sprint-august-2015-tickets-17533862254 | 05:02 |
| * mrda is looking forward to it | 05:02 | |
| jroll | please RSVP if you're coming. | 05:02 |
| jroll | any other announcements from anyone? | 05:02 |
| mrda | not from me | 05:03 |
| jroll | ok, moving on | 05:03 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 05:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:03 | |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 05:03 |
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| jroll | looks like nothing major, I'll give people a chance to review | 05:04 |
| jroll | if there's anyone besides mrda and I, that is :) | 05:04 |
| jroll | ok then | 05:04 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 05:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:04 | |
| jroll | anyone have anything? | 05:04 |
| jroll | anyone lurking? | 05:05 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 05:05 |
| jroll | mrda: wanna chat? :) | 05:05 |
| jroll | oh, we haz a rameshg87 ! | 05:05 |
| mrda | hey jroll | 05:05 |
| mrda | and a wanyen I believe | 05:05 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: I am here too :) | 05:05 |
| wanyen | o/ | 05:05 |
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| jroll | and wanyen! | 05:05 |
| mrda | I don't have anything specific, just working away | 05:05 |
| jroll | and I see a devanand_ just joined, dunno who that guy is. :) | 05:06 |
| jroll | I'll give 5 minutes for anyone to bring up open discussion topics, then I'm calilng it | 05:06 |
| mrda | It is USA independence week, after all, so I can understand the turn out | 05:06 |
| jroll | calling* | 05:06 |
| devanand_ | a very tired me lurks from his phone | 05:06 |
| jroll | welcome :P | 05:07 |
| jroll | mrda: buncha slackers IMO :) | 05:07 |
| mrda | Is there anything core related? Like our move to independent releases? | 05:07 |
| jroll | mrda: still waiting for review on that. | 05:07 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185171/ | 05:08 |
| mrda | Well, just to say, I'll be in SEA from Monday of midcycle, so if anyone wants to catch up... | 05:08 |
| mrda | jroll: yeah, I've been reviewing it | 05:08 |
| jroll | awesome :) | 05:08 |
| mrda | Well, late Monday | 05:08 |
| naohirot | o/ | 05:09 |
| * naohirot I was on a phone call | 05:09 | |
| rameshg87 | regarding ironic-lib I got replies from the mailing list that git submodules is a bad idea | 05:09 |
| mrda | naohirot: do you have anything to bring up? | 05:09 |
| naohirot | mrda: well nothing so far | 05:10 |
| mrda | np | 05:10 |
| jroll | rameshg87: I agree. frequent releases are best for that model IMO | 05:10 |
| jroll | rameshg87: we can easily revert things if we break things. we could also gate ironic on that lib | 05:10 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: but any changes to common files in ironic-lib will have to wait for a release ? | 05:10 |
| jroll | (though the more gate runs there are, the slower everything is) | 05:10 |
| jroll | rameshg87: yeah, though we can release it any time we like | 05:11 |
| jroll | releases are cheap, let's do them more often :) | 05:11 |
| jroll | I suspect devanand_ has similar opinion | 05:11 |
| jroll | s | 05:11 |
| * mrda has heard that before somewhere | 05:11 | |
| mrda | (about releases) | 05:11 |
| rameshg87 | mrda: I had sent a mail to mailing list. may be from there. | 05:12 |
| jroll | it's a common phrase, s/release/whatever you'd like/ :P | 05:12 |
| mrda | I've heard jroll say it a few times now | 05:12 |
| rameshg87 | :) | 05:12 |
| jroll | heh. you should hear me downstream. :P | 05:12 |
| mrda | lol, I hear everything jroll | 05:12 |
| jroll | :) | 05:13 |
| devanand_ | If it's just a submodule why split it out? It should have a stable API | 05:13 |
| jroll | devanand_: because IPA? | 05:13 |
| jroll | devanand_: to be clear, it isn't a submodule, that was a proposal | 05:13 |
| devanand_ | And is the API is stable why cogate | 05:13 |
| jroll | devanand_: because we can break things under the API | 05:14 |
| devanand_ | If | 05:14 |
| jroll | devanand_: just because the API is stable doesn't mean it actually calls fdisk correctly | 05:14 |
| jroll | etc | 05:14 |
| jroll | idk if co-gating is the right thing to do; just a suggestion | 05:14 |
| jroll | at least for short term while things are volatile | 05:14 |
| devanand_ | Nod | 05:15 |
| jroll | rameshg87: thoughts? frequent releases + cogate while things are in motion, drop the gate after things stabilize? | 05:16 |
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| rameshg87 | jroll: I agree. I was only concerned about the delays that release will incur. | 05:16 |
| rameshg87 | but if it can be speeded up, then I am fine with it :) | 05:16 |
| jroll | rameshg87: releases take almost no time, as I understand it. five minutes maybe? | 05:17 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: and global-requirements ? | 05:17 |
| jroll | rameshg87: it's a git tag command is all | 05:17 |
| jroll | oh. true. urgh | 05:17 |
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| jroll | rameshg87: still less than a day, that isn't much time in openstack review land | 05:17 |
| rameshg87 | but we can keep bugging the g-r cores :) | 05:17 |
| devanand_ | And pip cache | 05:18 |
| jroll | I think it's probably the best way to go, at the risk of slightly slowing development | 05:18 |
| jroll | and to be clear, only slowing dev work within the things that lib covers (partitioning etc) | 05:18 |
| rameshg87 | yeah. and may be we don't make changes to those files that often (not very sure) | 05:19 |
| jroll | yeah, I don't have data on that | 05:19 |
| rameshg87 | it's disk_partitioner + some things in deploy_utils | 05:19 |
| rameshg87 | for now | 05:20 |
| jroll | right | 05:20 |
| jroll | I wouldn't mind a soft freeze once we agree we're ready to transition | 05:20 |
| mrda | jroll: would you expect that to be enforced in any way? Or just keep an eye on it? | 05:21 |
| jroll | mrda: probably keep an eye on it, if we coordinate with g-r folks it shouldn't take long | 05:22 |
| jroll | mrda: basically let cores know and mailing list post | 05:22 |
| jroll | but this is all opinions at this point :) | 05:22 |
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| rameshg87 | I will just reply to that mail with this that at least few of us agreed on this | 05:22 |
| mrda | cool | 05:23 |
| rameshg87 | and wait for 1-2 days for feedback from other ironickers | 05:23 |
| rameshg87 | if nothing, I willl assume everyone is fine with it, and may be we can start the actual work | 05:23 |
| jroll | rameshg87: sounds good | 05:23 |
| mrda | +1 | 05:23 |
| jroll | we can follow up with a time, make it too late for you and too early for the USers :P | 05:24 |
| jroll | or something like that | 05:24 |
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| mrda | :) | 05:24 |
| rameshg87 | yeah .. :) | 05:24 |
| jroll | yay for agreement | 05:24 |
| jroll | does anyone have anything else to discuss? devanand_ ? | 05:24 |
| * jroll time.sleep(6)) | 05:25 | |
| * jroll time.sleep(60) * | 05:25 | |
| mrda | Thank you everyone for staying up for us in this TZ, much appreciated | 05:26 |
| jroll | not a problem! | 05:26 |
| jroll | small price to pay to have y'all involved | 05:26 |
| mrda | ;) | 05:26 |
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| jroll | and on that note, thank you all for showing, have a fantastic next 12 hours or so | 05:27 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 05:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 05:27:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-07-05.01.html | 05:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-07-05.01.txt | 05:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-07-05.01.log.html | 05:27 |
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| mrda | Thanks everyone, see you in the IRC's :) | 05:27 |
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| devanand_ | Nothing on my tired mind - thanks for running the meeting, jroll! | 05:27 |
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| pc_m | hi | 16:00 |
| mhanif | Hi | 16:00 |
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| pc_m | hi mhanif | 16:01 |
| mhanif | pc_m: Hi | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | hi | 16:01 |
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| pc_m | giving some time for people to join (I didn't announce this, so hopefully people know we'll meet weekly for a while) | 16:02 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: hi | 16:02 |
| pc_m | Let's start it up... | 16:03 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 16:03:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 16:03 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| pc_m | I don't have any specific announcements. Anyone else have any? | 16:04 |
| pc_m | #topic local tunnel IP | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "local tunnel IP (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:05 | |
| pc_m | I've been coding. Hope to have something up in a day or two. | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | pc_m: just reading up this bug | 16:06 |
| pc_m | Blocked a bit currently because of two nested issues. One is that the migration chain was broken, so I did a commit to fix that. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199082/ | 16:06 |
| pc_m | To make it worse, all VPN commits are failing py27, due to a recent neutron commit. I found the offending bug and will ping Armando as soon as I can for help. | 16:07 |
| pc_m | #topic Multiple Local Subnets | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple Local Subnets (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:07 | |
| sridhar_ram | a basic question. so far, atleast for ipsec, there is no extruded address. what is the motivation for this local tunnel IP ? | 16:08 |
| pc_m | #undo | 16:08 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x90c6a50> | 16:08 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: If you have a VPN appliance, separate software, hardware, VPN in a VPN, anything where the VPN connection is NOT going from the router, then you run into a problem, because the code currently assumes the router's GW IP will be used. | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | okay, is this handled as a bug or a RFE enhancement ? | 16:10 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: In addition, if the IP is not in the router, you may not have a way to know what the IP is, so provisioning on the other end is hard (as they don't know the peer IP) | 16:10 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: bug. I asked Kyle if an RFE was needed and he said to do as a bug. | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | okay | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | my concern is local tunnel IP is typically indended for extruded local addr (10.1.1.x) | 16:12 |
| pc_m | BTW: I do see another bug, which I'll do as a follow up fix. Currently, you can create an IPSec connection and specify a peer IP that is IPv6, but may not have an IPv6 address on the router. It won't fail, but it won't work ether. | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | like in OpenVPN | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | or GRE | 16:12 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Not sure what that is, but the intent is to indicate the IP address for this end of the tunnel (as opposed to the 'peer IP' | 16:13 |
| pc_m | ) | 16:13 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Do you have an issue with the naming? | 16:13 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: If so, do you have a better suggestion for the naming? | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | perhaps this is a terminology, but it will confuse folks who handle vpn | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | public tunnel IP | 16:14 |
| pc_m | Today we have peer IP for the public facing IP on the far end, and peer CIDR(s) for the private far end subnets. | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | that's what it is .. | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | it used to be implicit, now you are taking it as an input | 16:15 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: But I want to distingush that it is for the local and not peer end. | 16:15 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: It is not an input. The user does not specify it. | 16:15 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: It is determined by the service driver (so that different drivers can override). | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | but it gets added to service table ? | 16:16 |
| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Correct and is read-only | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | okay. will read up more. we can also take it up further in the code review. | 16:17 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: OK. | 16:17 |
| pc_m | #topic Multiple Local Subnets | 16:17 |
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| pc_m | I replied to the comments. Please look at the RFE #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944 | 16:18 |
| pc_m | I'll push another version, once I hear from some of the cores, and will roll up all the comments. | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | sure, will do. | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | again, are you considering this for post v3 ? | 16:19 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Regarding the naming... I was calling it endpoint-pairs, not to mean that there are only two locations involved, but to indicate that there is a set of 1+ local subnets and 1+ peer subnets. | 16:19 |
| pc_m | We can call it endpoints, if that is clearer. | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | that is better | 16:20 |
| pc_m | I'm intending on implementing this ASAP, as soon as the RFE is approved. | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | it is bit generic | 16:20 |
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| pc_m | I'd like to get it in for Liberty. | 16:20 |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: Thanks for reviewing! | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | sure. one last question.. | 16:21 |
| pc_m | shoot | 16:21 |
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| * pc_m or awe shoot :) | 16:22 | |
| sridhar_ram | what is the impact of existing device-drivers due to this addtion? | 16:22 |
| * sridhar_ram thinks this is more a review question! | 16:22 | |
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| pc_m | sridhar_ram: good question. The drives would want to (possibly) be able to handle the multiple subnets that will be available. | 16:23 |
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| pc_m | I think for the Cisco implementation, there may be no change needed to support. | 16:24 |
| pc_m | Not sure about others. For reference implementation it is a trivial change to add all the subnets to the leftside config item. | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | (1) I'm assuming this is an optional step in vpn creation | 16:25 |
| pc_m | yes, you can specify 1+ local subnets | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | (2) if (1) is true, we shd try to preserve the dict flowing in the rpc so that existing drivers don't get affected | 16:26 |
| pc_m | agreed, as a reviewer, you can make sure that I implement it as a new field for additional local subnets :) | 16:27 |
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| pc_m | I can add something to that affect to the RFE. | 16:28 |
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| pc_m | any other Qs on this one? | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | nope | 16:29 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 16:29 |
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| pc_m | Please take a look at the open bugs and reviews (see the list on our wiki #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VPNaaS) | 16:29 |
| pc_m | Of note is one that came in yesterday, about VPN not working with an HA Router. I don't think anyone ever did anything to support that. Will likely be looking for an RFE and someone willing to implement support for this. | 16:30 |
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| pc_m | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471940 | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471940 in neutron "VPNaaS Ipsec does not correctly determine master L3 HA Router" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 16:31 |
| pc_m | Anyone have any bugs of interest to discuss? | 16:32 |
| pc_m | or reviews? | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | yeah, I remember this coming up in DMVPN review ... | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | good to know the state of VPN w/ HA router | 16:32 |
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| pc_m | FYI, the fix to migration head #link https://review.openstack.org/199082 mentioned previously. | 16:33 |
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| pc_m | #topic BGPVPN and Edge VPN | 16:34 |
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| pc_m | Not sure where we are on this... could use some feedback on the multiple local subnet RFE that adds the endpoints API. | 16:34 |
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| pc_m | Does anyone have further discussion on this, or do we table it for a while, until the other VPN flavors progress further? | 16:35 |
| mhanif | pc_m: I will look in to the RFE and provide any feedback on it. | 16:35 |
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| pc_m | mhanif: Thanks! | 16:36 |
| pc_m | I'd like to get closure on that to move forward, but also would like to see if it can be useful for other VPN flavors. | 16:36 |
| mhanif | pc_m: Sure. Got it. | 16:37 |
| pc_m | Anything more on htis? | 16:37 |
| pc_m | this? | 16:37 |
| mhanif | Nothing from my side | 16:37 |
| pc_m | #Open Discussion | 16:38 |
| pc_m | Anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | none from me | 16:38 |
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| pc_m | Will close now, then. Thanks for joining in! | 16:39 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | bye | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 16:39:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-07-07-16.03.html | 16:39 |
| mhanif | Thanks! | 16:39 |
| pc_m | bye | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-07-07-16.03.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-07-07-16.03.log.html | 16:39 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. Time for the Congress meeting. | 17:00 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 17:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:00 |
| thinrichs | I know some people are out of town, so if you're here for Congress, could you say hi? | 17:01 |
| masahito | hi, I'm here | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | masahito: hi! | 17:01 |
| veena | Hi, I'm here | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | veena: hi! I don't recognize your handle. Have you been here before? | 17:02 |
| veena | thinrichs: Nope. This is the first time am joining congress meeting | 17:02 |
| bryan_att | Hi all | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | veena: Welcome! | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: hi! | 17:03 |
| veena | thinrichs: recently got to know about this project, developed interest, so thought to join. Thank you. | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | veena: you're welcome to join any time. Let us know if things aren't clear. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | veena: would you mind telling us about yourself and what got you interested? | 17:05 |
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| veena | thinrichs: Sure. Am using and working in Openstack since a year. I have fixed few bugs in horizon, rally and neutron. Recently I started working on NFVO. Policy management is an important thing in NFVO, while working for this I came accross Congress. | 17:09 |
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| thinrichs | veena: great! Where do you work? | 17:09 |
| veena | thinrichs: Then I saw the summit videos related to congress. This seems very interesting project. | 17:10 |
| veena | thinrichs: I work in Juniper Networks. | 17:10 |
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| thinrichs | veena: Thanks for the background. | 17:11 |
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| thinrichs | In terms of agenda this week, I have the following. | 17:11 |
| veena | thinrichs: Thank you | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | 1. midcycle sprint | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | 2. UI demo by Yali | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | 3. discuss moving meeting time | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | 4. Keystone talk | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs | Anything else? | 17:12 |
| masahito | how about summit sessions? | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | masahito: that was my #4 (Keystone talk) | 17:13 |
| masahito | thinrichs: ok | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: need to discuss getting the hands-on-lab up and running? | 17:14 |
| bryan_att | I'm still working on it - I can provide an update. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | 5. bryan_att gives update on HOL. | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | So let's get started then. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | #topic midcycle sprint | 17:15 |
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| thinrichs | I put together a wiki page with details of the sprint. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/CongressLibertySprint | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | It's also linked from the list of Liberty sprints: | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Liberty_sprints | 17:16 |
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| thinrichs | It's all the same info we discussed: Aug 6-7 at the VMware campus in Palo Alto, CA, USA | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | The only real new thing is that we can all sign up using eventbrite. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/congress-liberty-midcycle-sprint-tickets-17654731778 | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | So if you're attending, please use that form to sign up. | 17:17 |
| masahito_ | I've done!! | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | That way we can get a headcount, and we have a way of sending messages to attendees. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | masahito: thanks! | 17:18 |
| veena | thinrichs: Is there any way to attend it online? | 17:18 |
| thinrichs | veena: for the midcycle sprint we're focusing on doing some distributed systems work on Congress. | 17:18 |
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| thinrichs | veena: we'll have an etherpad and will plan on having a phone line open. | 17:19 |
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| thinrichs | But in reality I imagine it'll be tough since software design always seems to end up on a whiteboard. | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | If there are remote people we'll do what we can to engage them. | 17:20 |
| veena | thinrichs: Okay. A google hangout would also work if it is possible | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | veena: good suggestion | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | Any questions about the sprint? | 17:21 |
| veena | thinrichs: Thanks for the consideration | 17:21 |
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| veena | thinrichs: is there any doc related to the distributed systems work that you just mentioned? | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs | veena: let me look. One minute. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | There's a brief description on the wiki page. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | There are a couple of blueprints that touch on this, but we should probably create a new blueprint: | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/integrate-oslo-messaging | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/dse-control-bus | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/hierarchical-dse | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | #topic UI demo | 17:26 |
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| veena | thinrichs: is anybody working on integrating oslo.messaging? | 17:26 |
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| thinrichs | Yali has been working on a new GUI for writing policy and as part of the review process is giving a demo. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | veena: That's part of what the sprint is focused on. Figuring out how to extend our internal message bus to be cross-process, cross-host. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | One option is to integrate oslo.messaging. But there are others as well. | 17:27 |
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| veena | thinrichs: okay | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | Back to the new GUI. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | If anyone wants to attend the demo, let me know. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | B/c of time zone constraints it'll be either 6a-7a or 5-6p Pacific time. | 17:28 |
| bryan_att | I'd like to be there | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | We're going to find a day later this week or early next week. | 17:29 |
| masahito_ | how I see the demo, online? | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: We haven't worked out details yet, but yes online. | 17:29 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: can you drop me an email with the days/times you're available the rest of this week and early next week? | 17:29 |
| bryan_att | OK | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | Any other questions about the demo? | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | Moving on… | 17:31 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs: Would you send the time to ML when the time of the demo is decided? | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | #topic Summit sessions | 17:31 |
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| masahito_ | If possible I want to watch the demo. | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: could you email me your day/time availability for the rest of this week and early next week? Remember options are 6a-7a and 5-6p Pacific. | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | I'm thinking about proposing a summit session where build a tool that unifies Keystone and Congress policies. | 17:32 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs: okay. | 17:32 |
| veena | thinrichs: Okay | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | The idea would be to pull in policy.json from different services, translate them into the Congress policy language (Datalog), and do some analysis for how a Congress policy relates to the policy.json files. | 17:33 |
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| thinrichs | Any thoughts or reactions? | 17:33 |
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| masahito_ | thinrichs: just translation? or will Congress do some action? | 17:34 |
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| masahito_ | anyway that's sound fun. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: I was just thinking analysis—the idea being to give operators a single pane of glass for Congress/Keystone policy. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | But I suppose we could also try to push policy down to those services. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | That's a good thing to think about at least. Thanks! | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | Any other plans for proposing a session? | 17:37 |
| masahito_ | I plan to submit my usecase as I mentioned last meeting | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: I'm happy to give feedback on the description if you want. Just let me know. | 17:38 |
| masahito_ | The idea is about VM-HA using reactive enforcement for VM. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | Sounds interesting! | 17:39 |
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| thinrichs | Due date is July 15. | 17:41 |
| masahito_ | If possible, I want to speak the session with some Congress folks | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: we're happy to help. Just let us know what you want us to do. | 17:41 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs: Thank you for offering. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | If anyone else has ideas, I'm happy to give feedback via email or #congress. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on... | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | #topic hands-on-lab update | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs | bryan_att: want to give us an update on how the HOL is going? | 17:42 |
| bryan_att | OK, here's a quick update | 17:43 |
| bryan_att | we are still working to get our OPNFV Arno lab off the ground | 17:43 |
| bryan_att | step #2 will be adding Congress using the Ansible installer | 17:43 |
| bryan_att | I should be ready to start testing end of next week on use cases for Congress | 17:44 |
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| bryan_att | Thus by the week of the summit I may not have all the pieces together for a HOL at ODL, but stil have the intent to run one if necessary virtually asap | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | Great! Is there anything you need from us? | 17:45 |
| bryan_att | We are at the same time looking to have a SFC and GBP demo at the ODL Summit, as part of the OPNFV SFC project - the ODL PTLs are involved | 17:45 |
| bryan_att | My goal is to use that to trigger some config violation reports as monitored by Congress | 17:46 |
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| bryan_att | So bringing those two things together may take more than three weeks - thus the risk that I may not be ready for the HOL goal by the summit | 17:46 |
| bryan_att | That's all - just a progress report | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | bryan_att: Thanks! Make sure to reach out if you need our help. | 17:47 |
| bryan_att | What I could use (if not provided earlier - I'll check) is guidance on Ansible install for Congress | 17:47 |
| bryan_att | I need to check the old IRC logs | 17:47 |
| bryan_att | Also whether I need Kilo or will Juno suffice | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | I haven't tried the ansible installer personally. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | I remember the phone call though. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | I don't remember any docs coming out of that. | 17:49 |
| bryan_att | Any installer will be fine - just might need some help to develop the install script given an existing installed OpenStack base | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | I think that installer was designed to work with an existing OpenStack system. | 17:49 |
| bryan_att | I will followup with you and team - the installer seemed pretty complete and easy | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. | 17:49 |
| bryan_att | yes, installing based upon an existing system is the assumption | 17:49 |
| bryan_att | that's all - thanks | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | Thanks! | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | #topic meeting time | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | We have a growing number of people who are actively contributing from the Asia time zone. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | It'd be great if they could attend. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | I'm guessing that if we moved the meeting, it would either need to be early (say 6a-8a Pacific) or late (say 5-6p Pacific). | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | We don't have enough of the cores around today to figure out if moving the time would work. | 17:53 |
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| thinrichs | But for the rest of us in the US, does early morning or later evening work? | 17:53 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs: I realy appreciate your concern. | 17:53 |
| bryan_att | 6-7AM PDT is fine for me also late afternoon - I'm in Seattle | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: do those times work for you generally? | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | (I'll try to get the conversion to UTC. One sec.) | 17:54 |
| masahito_ | wait a minitus. I need to translate the time to JST | 17:54 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs: Did you mention the time in summer time? | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | 6a Pacific = 1p UTC | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | 5p Pacific = midnight UTC | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | We're in Pacific Daylight Time right now. | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | masahito_: so yes summer time | 17:56 |
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| masahito_ | both works well. | 17:57 |
| veena | thinrichs: Any time would be fine. I can make out to attend | 17:58 |
| thinrichs | I don't know if those times will work for the other US cores. We'll need to investigate more. | 17:58 |
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| thinrichs | We're out of time for today. | 17:59 |
| masahito_ | In generally, my work time is in 5p-6p Pacific (UTC midnight) | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | masahito_: good to know. The 5-6p Pacific timeslot is likely better. | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 18:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-07-07-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-07-07-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-07-07-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 19:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:00 |
| etoews | good day terrylhowe | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | briancurtin: busy? | 19:01 |
| etoews | i think he is... | 19:01 |
| etoews | hopefully he'll be by later | 19:01 |
| etoews | it's july so there's less and less people around | 19:01 |
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| etoews | i plan to be one such person soon too | 19:02 |
| etoews | :) | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | no vaca plans for me, all work and no play | 19:02 |
| stevelle | +1 that | 19:02 |
| etoews | :( | 19:02 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 19:03 |
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| etoews | ACTION: briancurtin will take a look at the schedule and try to find something that works for current team plus those on the other side of the world | 19:03 |
| etoews | not sure if he had a chance to do that... | 19:04 |
| etoews | ACTION: etoews log bug about connection reset | 19:04 |
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| etoews | done. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1470236 | 19:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470236 in OpenStack SDK "ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', error(54, 'Connection reset by peer'))" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 19:05 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24 and cory followed up on it very quickly and i haven't had a chance to give it another look :( | 19:05 |
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| etoews | ACTION: etoews to add registering error handlers to post 1.0 wishlist | 19:06 |
| etoews | done. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1470243 | 19:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470243 in OpenStack SDK "Register error handlers" [Undecided,New] | 19:06 |
| etoews | that's that | 19:07 |
| etoews | #topic version negotiation | 19:07 |
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| etoews | as i was beating my head against glance, i stumbled on some version issues. | 19:07 |
| etoews | first was just figuring out how to specify a particular version of an api | 19:08 |
| etoews | but that lead me to the question of version negotiation | 19:08 |
| etoews | i found this | 19:08 |
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| etoews | Version discovery #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1353031 | 19:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1353031 in OpenStack SDK "Version discovery" [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:09 |
| etoews | but it's marked as invalid and i'm not sure why | 19:09 |
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| etoews | we're definitely going to need version discovery/negotiation in some respect | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | because the blueprint, but right now I’m in favor of ignoring blueprints and using bugs so there is one place to track issues | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | if things get more complicated, we could start using blueprints again | 19:10 |
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| etoews | that works for me | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | so, the version you want to use does not show up in the version catalog? | 19:10 |
| etoews | there are more versions in the catalog than what we allow for (in glance) | 19:11 |
| etoews | i just stumbled across them poking around the api | 19:12 |
| etoews | 1 sec. | 19:12 |
| etoews | http://paste.openstack.org/show/352788/ | 19:13 |
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| etoews | it was interesting see there's version all the way up to 2.3 | 19:14 |
| etoews | the url for all of them are /v2 | 19:14 |
| etoews | which is fine | 19:14 |
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| terrylhowe | version should be set to 2 then? | 19:15 |
| etoews | but stuff could be added to 2.3 that we just have no idea about. obviously none of it should be backwards incompatible though. | 19:15 |
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| etoews | that's kind of at the heart of the issue. | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | seems like if fields were added to resources, we could just add them and people could use them if desired in that situation | 19:16 |
| etoews | ya | 19:16 |
| etoews | but they won't even know what *actual* version of the api they're using. | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | we have fields in some resources for extensions, similar kind of situation | 19:17 |
| etoews | and i'm not even 100% certain that matters. | 19:17 |
| etoews | let me throw this question out there | 19:18 |
| etoews | if we did some form of version negotiation, would it even necessarily affect the public interface of the sdk? | 19:18 |
| etoews | is it the kind of thing you wind up exposing to the user? | 19:19 |
| etoews | i guess i'm asking i we think it's something necessary for 1.0 | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | in cases like this, I’d kind of like to leave it up to the user a little to keep things simple. we don’t want to burden everyone with querying the versions interface all the time. | 19:21 |
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| terrylhowe | if someone cares, they can hit the interface and decide what they want to populate for these point releases | 19:21 |
| * briancurtin is here | 19:22 | |
| etoews | which interface exactly in "hit the interface"? | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | the top level versions interface | 19:23 |
| etoews | ...of the sdk. right? | 19:24 |
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| terrylhowe | well, the sdk often has a versions.py resource for that | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | we should probably do some nice support for it in the proxy | 19:26 |
| etoews | so the user could conceivably do their own version negotiation using version.py for a particular service | 19:27 |
| etoews | alright. is there anything to do here then? | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | version.py support for the proxy at least | 19:28 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: care to file a bug for it? | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1472373 | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472373 in OpenStack SDK "Support Version Resource in Proxy" [Undecided,New] | 19:30 |
| etoews | ++ | 19:30 |
| etoews | #topic drop glance v1 support | 19:30 |
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| etoews | see the agenda for a relevant conversation from #openstack-glance on the subject https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda | 19:31 |
| etoews | when it comes to image create/update the v1 and v2 apis do things completely differentyl | 19:32 |
| stevelle | very true | 19:32 |
| etoews | that had me wondering whether we want to expend the effort to support v1 at all | 19:32 |
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| etoews | considering it seems to be on its way out the door | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | i'm in favor of dropping it if possible | 19:33 |
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| stevelle | etoews: I believe the plan is to seriously consider introducing the deprecation of v1 in M cycle, so it will be around a bit | 19:33 |
| etoews | keeping it around effectively encourages users to keep using a deprecated api | 19:33 |
| etoews | stevelle: gotcha. but we don't want to encourage its adoption by supporting it. imo. | 19:34 |
| etoews | if somebody really needed it we could always put it back in. | 19:34 |
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| stevelle | I would agree that if we don't have complete support for the full v1 API that wouldn't be terrible. | 19:34 |
| stevelle | I wouldn't want to see us cut it entirely, for now. | 19:34 |
| etoews | stevelle: are you aware of anywhere it's being used? | 19:35 |
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| * etoews gets a bit over-excited when it comes to talking about deleting code | 19:35 | |
| stevelle | using the SDK support, no I'm not. | 19:35 |
| stevelle | using the Glance v1, yes | 19:35 |
| etoews | okay. any examples of the top of your head? | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | we use v1 in public cloud. I don’t think it is exactly v1 though | 19:36 |
| etoews | i'm just trying to gauge if those example would necessitate sdk support. | 19:36 |
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| terrylhowe | feel free to mark it as deprecated though | 19:36 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: interesting. i checked hp's site and couldn't find any mention of it. | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | just don’t delete it | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | Well, I don’t think it is in Helion | 19:37 |
| stevelle | I would say 90% of operators I spoke to in Vancouver have v1 deployed. About 80% probably had v1 only. | 19:37 |
| etoews | maybe it's just not exposed publicly or did i miss it? | 19:37 |
| stevelle | but that was a self-selecting group that approached me | 19:37 |
| etoews | stevelle: still, that's significant. | 19:37 |
| stevelle | I encouraged every one of them to work on getting onto Kilo soon and to deploy v2. | 19:38 |
| etoews | so what are we saying? keep what's there for v1 currently but mark it as deprecated and only put effort into v2? | 19:38 |
| stevelle | none of them needed something that wasn't better in v2. | 19:38 |
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| etoews | the double negative there is messing with me | 19:39 |
| stevelle | sorry | 19:39 |
| stevelle | none of them needed changes-since | 19:40 |
| etoews | i.e. v1 does what they need so why upgrade? | 19:40 |
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| etoews | so we keep what's there for v1 currently but mark it as deprecated and only put effort into v2? | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good, if some cares, they can work on v1 | 19:41 |
| stevelle | I think that would be fine. I might lean towards v1 is "unsupported" | 19:42 |
| stevelle | until Glance formally deprecates v1 | 19:42 |
| stevelle | If we don't feel that is a useful distinction I would be fine with just deprecating now. | 19:42 |
| etoews | stevelle: how would we mark it as unsupported? just something in the docstrings? | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | etoews: probably use the warnings module as well and have things show up in logs, in addition to docstrings | 19:45 |
| stevelle | etoews: I suppose so. That brings up the point of "nobody reads docs" again, though | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | that's their fault | 19:45 |
| stevelle | I like that response | 19:45 |
| etoews | dang. so here's the rub. right now it's broken as is. create/update simply do not work. | 19:47 |
| stevelle | I don't have a strongly held opinion either way, but we should be able to decide | 19:47 |
| etoews | do we really want to release broken, unsupported code? | 19:47 |
| terrylhowe | set allow_create and allow_update to false I guess | 19:47 |
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| terrylhowe | I’d like to be able to list images on a v1 system | 19:48 |
| etoews | hmmm...that is a quick way out. | 19:48 |
| stevelle | +1 terrylhowe | 19:48 |
| etoews | i'm okay with that. | 19:48 |
| briancurtin | yeah, that works | 19:48 |
| stevelle | file a bug, mark it wishlist, include reference in a code comment? | 19:49 |
| etoews | #action etoews to file a bug to mark glance v1 as unsupported | 19:49 |
| etoews | i'd say no wishlist. this is happening. | 19:49 |
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| etoews | #topic big tent | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "big tent (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:50 | |
| stevelle | disregard my last line. ready to move on | 19:50 |
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| etoews | oops. sorry i rushed the new topic there. | 19:50 |
| etoews | Example governance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188014/ | 19:51 |
| etoews | Example git namespace change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197672/ | 19:51 |
| etoews | i had planned on writing up the proposal this week. | 19:51 |
| etoews | but my vacation starts friday afternoon and i won't be around to follow up on comments | 19:52 |
| etoews | should i still go for it now and you all can address the comments or wait till i get back from vacation (july 21)? | 19:53 |
| briancurtin | i think we can address it | 19:53 |
| etoews | okay. i'll try to work something up once i'm done with this glance stuff. | 19:54 |
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| etoews | #topic multi-region testing | 19:54 |
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| etoews | we haven't done any functional multi-region testing have we? | 19:54 |
| briancurtin | i haven't | 19:55 |
| etoews | i did a bit with the message service stuff on rackspace | 19:55 |
| terrylhowe | I’ve hit different regions if that’s what you mean, but it has been a while | 19:55 |
| briancurtin | ive done some manual testing against a multi-region cloud (rackspace) and saw that some things are not properly working, as in we're getting the wrong region in some cases | 19:55 |
| terrylhowe | maybe we could set up a simple automated test to do something | 19:55 |
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| etoews | i was getting queues created in hong kong that were supposed to be created in northern virginia | 19:56 |
| briancurtin | although i dont know if that was a pure SDK thing or if i did something wrong in our plugin | 19:56 |
| briancurtin | yep | 19:56 |
| briancurtin | i haven't looked back to that one | 19:56 |
| etoews | i don't think it was the plugin | 19:56 |
| etoews | i'll search for a bug and file one if there isn't one. | 19:56 |
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| briancurtin | i have been able to properly switch the region and get the right compute info back, but message was always in teh wrong spot | 19:56 |
| stevelle | I am planning to do some multi-region stuff with object storage real soon now but it will be rather ad-hoc | 19:57 |
| etoews | cool. let us know how it goes. | 19:57 |
| * etoews is determined to get through all the topics | 19:57 | |
| briancurtin | etoews: i dont think there is a region bug, there in probably a similar area, i have a bug out for properly finding versioned endpoints | 19:57 |
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| etoews | #topic vacation | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vacation (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:58 | |
| etoews | just a quick note, i'm on vacation from july 10-21 and july 29-aug 5. | 19:58 |
| briancurtin | enjoy | 19:59 |
| etoews | basically consider me out until early aug | 19:59 |
| etoews | :) | 19:59 |
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| etoews | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 20:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-07-07-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-07-07-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-07-07-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| etoews | thanks all | 20:00 |
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