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SrikanthPoollaI am Srikanth from brocade offshore develop center07:17
SrikanthPoollai am trying to implement edge vpn service plugin for brocade..i am assuming base_ipsec.py is the base class for that...can some one help me if i am correct07:19
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SrikanthPoollaHi I am Srikanth from Brocade offshore dev..15:59
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pc_mhi16:02
pc_manyone here for VPNaaS meeting?16:02
ajmillergood morning Paul16:02
pc_majmiller: hi16:02
SrikanthPoollaHi Paul..16:02
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: hi16:02
pc_mwill give a few mins for people to join.16:03
SrikanthPoollasure16:03
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pc_mI guess we can start. Not too much today to cover.16:05
pc_m#startmeeting vpnaas16:05
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 14 16:05:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas'16:05
pc_m#topic Announcements16:05
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pc_mFYI: Plan is to disable services for Neutron Grenade jobs.16:06
pc_mWill need to, in the future, create a VPNaaS Grenade job to test updates.16:06
pc_mI pushed up a DevStack plugin for VPN and corresponding commit to remove VPN setup from DevStack repo. Hoping to get those approved soon.16:07
pc_mUpstreamed tox.ini changes so that we can, in the future, run VPN functional tests against Neutron change sets (hopefully reducing some breakage).16:08
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pc_mThere is also some discussion by Sridhar R, about doing a "State of VPN" talk at summit. He doesn't appear to be on right now.16:09
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pc_mAny other announcements?16:09
mhanifHi pc_m:16:09
pc_mmhanif: hi16:09
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mhanifI would like to announce the availability of new specs for edge VPN16:09
pc_mmhanif: cool. Link?16:10
mhanifThis is in line with what we are discussion of splitting the spec to address the provisioning part and the API to attach the Neutron network to the edge VPN16:10
mhanifAPIs to provision edge VPN service is at: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201378/16:10
mhanifNeutron extesion for edge VPN is at: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201381/16:11
pc_mmhanif: Thanks. Encourage people to look at the specs.16:11
mhanifI have updated the VPNaaS wiki to reflect this16:11
pc_mmhanif: ty16:11
pc_mAny other announcements?16:11
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pc_m#topic Local Tunnel IP16:12
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pc_mI pushed this up for review, please check it out #linkhttps://review.openstack.org/19967016:12
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pc_mThere are a few issues. One is that there changes happening in Neutron for migration, so we'll need to wait and adapt this a bit for those changes.16:13
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pc_mThe other is that we need to get a VPN based Grenade job running to better test this commit.16:14
pc_m:(16:14
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pc_mOr go w/o upgrade testing that is automated for now. I have manually tested it.16:14
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pc_mPlease look at the review and comment, though.16:15
pc_m#topic VPN with HA Router16:15
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pc_mThere is a review up #link https://review.openstack.org/200636. Please look at it and give feedback. There are some concerns on how this will work out, when there is an active/standby router.16:16
pc_mAlso some concern with how it fits in with the local tunnel IP change.16:16
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sridhar_rampc_m: neutron HA is based on VRRP ?16:16
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pc_mhi sridhar_ram: Not sure.16:16
pc_msridhar_ram: They want to be able to use VPN with L3 HA router.16:17
pc_msridhar_ram: And handle switching between active and standby.16:17
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pc_mI wonder if the HA routers share the same GW IP addresses, which are used for the tunnels (implicitely).16:18
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pc_mimplicitly16:18
pc_mIn any case, please review and provide feedback. We need to make sure we get this one right.16:18
sridhar_ramI remember it will use a VIP .. so that would be the tunnel ip16:18
pc_m#topic Multiple Local subnets16:19
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pc_mI'm still waiting for Drivers cores to review the developer reference commit that is out for review. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19194416:19
pc_mPlease look over the updated commit and voice any questions/concerns with the proposals and which proposal is best (I'm rooting for C :)16:20
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pc_mNeed to get going on this to make Liberty release... :(16:20
pc_m#topic Bugs16:21
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pc_mPlease look over the bugs and VPN reviews and help out. We desperately need reviewers, as the +1s will help cores in determining if domain experts (us) are happy with the changes.16:21
pc_mAny particular reviews/bugs to discuss (besides the ones I posted above)?16:22
sridhar_rampc_m: nothing particular..but question on neutron HA16:23
pc_msridhar_ram: sure shoot16:23
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sridhar_ramat some point there were different neutron HA schemes floating around..16:23
pc_mRef:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/147194016:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1471940 in neutron "VPNaaS Ipsec does not correctly determine master L3 HA Router" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata)16:23
sridhar_ramit will be good to understand for which HA scenario vpnaas is planned to be supported16:24
sridhar_ramokay.. will look at the bug!16:24
pc_msridhar_ram: :)16:24
pc_mI guess they have active/standby router and switch over, and get a failure with namespace.16:25
sridhar_ramofcourse .. the solution would be quite different for reference vpn vs the virtual appliance based ones16:26
sridhar_ramI guess .. then we need to loop at strongswan cookbook for vrrp and then translate back that to here16:26
pc_mI really don't know much about how the HA router stuff works. I think Assaf does, so there is likely some discussion needed on this bug.16:27
sridhar_ram*look16:27
sridhar_ramexactly16:27
pc_mFeel free to add to the bug comments and jump in on hte review.16:27
sridhar_ramIMO it is not trivial bug :-)16:27
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pc_msridhar_ram: Yeah, I'm thinking that too.16:28
sridhar_ramsure, will try.. juggling few other things my side these days. will try my best get back to reviewing16:28
sridhar_ramhopefully soon!16:28
pc_msridhar_ram: Thanks!16:28
pc_m#topic BGP VPN and Edge VPN16:28
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pc_mIs there anything to discuss here, beyond reviewing the specs mhanif noted?16:29
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pc_mmhanif: anyting?16:29
pc_manything16:29
mhanifYes16:29
pc_mall yours...16:29
SrikanthPoollai have a question on Edge VPN16:29
mhanifAs you know that we have a implementation of the edge spec in the stackforge16:30
mhanifHowever, it was based on the Icehouse release16:30
mhanifWe are updating it to the Liberty release and will announce it very soon16:30
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mhanifThe dir structure will also be updated to match the Liberty dir structure16:31
mhanifVendor specific drivers then can be added there as well16:31
Vikrammhanif: this is great!16:31
pc_mmhanif: thanks for the info.16:31
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: You had a question...16:31
SrikanthPoollai am trying to implement service plugin for edge vpn...is that the base_ipsec.py base driver class?16:32
mhanifAgain would like to encourage folks to please review the spec and post your comments16:32
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: base_ipsec.py is for IPSec site-to-site connection VPN.16:32
mhanifSrikanthPoolla: Have you looked at the code?16:32
mhanifin the stackforge16:32
SrikanthPoollai was trying to get MPLSVpnDriver class which i didnt'd find16:33
SrikanthPoollamhanif:i had looked into the code in stackforge16:33
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: sorry. Are you talking about base_ipsec.py in stackforge or in the neutron-vpnaas repo?16:33
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: Stuff in neutron-vpnaas is for IPSec VPN.16:34
SrikanthPoollai was in trying to figure out a base class of edge vpn16:34
mhanifMuch of the implementation is done by angela_allen from my team.  Not sure she is online right now16:34
SrikanthPoollai was talking about base_ipsec.py in neutron-vpnass repo16:35
pc_mSrikanthPoolla: yeah, that is IPSec site-to-site connection VPN stuff.16:35
mhanifSrikanthPoolla: I can find out more about this and will get back to you16:35
pc_mmhanif: Can you provide a pointer to the stackforge repo for SrikanthPoolla?16:35
pc_mmhanif: That's even better.16:36
mhanifpc_m: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/networking-edge-vpn/16:36
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pc_m#action mhanif to provide info on base class for edge bpn to  SrikanthPoolla16:36
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mhanifThe link to the stackforge is at: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/networking-edge-vpn/16:37
SrikanthPoollathanks much paul and hanif16:37
mhanifI see angela-s: online16:37
angela-syes, i finally made it16:37
mhanifangela-s: Question for info on base class for edge vpn?16:38
mhanifangela-s: Do you want to chime in?16:38
angela-sSrikanthPoolla: is this in reference to the issue we've already been discussing?16:39
SrikanthPoollayep Angela..16:39
angela-sso, the issue here is that I modeled the Edge VPN code based off of the VPN code16:40
angela-sthere is a reference to a VpnDriver class, that doesn't exist in the code base16:40
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angela-sapparantly this is causing some error, SrikanthPoolla can elaborate on the error16:42
SrikanthPoollaangela:exactly16:43
SrikanthPoollathere is a base class missing here which is MPLSVPNDriver and we are extending it to vendor specific implementation. since it was not there i ams seeing some import errors16:44
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angela-spc_m: maybe you can help us understand the VPN code, then that will help us with the Edge VPN code16:44
pc_mshould be in service_drivers/__init__.py16:44
angela-sin this code: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-vpnaas/blob/master/neutron_vpnaas/services/vpn/service_drivers/base_ipsec.py#L68, there is reference to VpnDriver, but that class doesn't exist16:45
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pc_mangela-s: I can. Let's take this off-line in openstack-neutron after this meeting (and after I eat quickly).16:45
angela-ssure16:45
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pc_mit should be in the __init__.py in that directory.16:46
pc_mIt's an ABC, and the __init__.py is not empty.16:46
pc_mIn any case, let's try to wrap up here.16:46
pc_mAnything else on BGP/Edge VPN?16:47
mhanifpc_m: I am good thanks16:47
pc_m#topic Open Discussion16:47
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pc_mAnyone have anything else to discuss?16:47
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sridhar_ramwaiting for Mathieu to respond for the M-talk submission16:47
sridhar_ramis there anyway I can convince our beloved vpn core to co-submit  ? ;-)16:48
pc_mPlease help reviewing some of the commits that are out (DevStack plugin, local tunnel IP, L3 HA + VPN, and multiple local subnet developer reference proposals).16:48
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pc_msridhar_ram: Yeah, I probably can.16:48
* pc_m assuming I get to go to the summit :)16:49
sridhar_rampc_m: awesome!16:49
* sridhar_ram pc_m will be containerized and shipped to tokyo no matter what16:49
pc_msridhar_ram: Need some input from BGP VPN folks and Edge as well.16:49
pc_m:)16:49
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mhanifpc_m: edge VPN team is already on board16:50
mhanif:-)16:50
pc_mmhanif: great!16:50
pc_mLooks like we're done. Thanks for joining everyone.  angela-s and SrikanthPoolla, ping me on Neutron IRC in about 15 mins.16:51
pc_m#endmeeting16:51
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pc_mbye!16:51
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thinrichsHi all.  Time for the Congress meeting.17:00
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 14 17:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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thinrichsI see we have some folks from Asia today—thanks for making the effort!17:01
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thinrichsWhat time is it for all of you?17:02
RuiChenhi thinrichs17:02
RuiChen1:00 AM17:02
masahito2 am17:02
alexsyipThanks for joining at such a late hour!17:02
RuiChenbut it's ok for me17:03
thinrichsSince it's so late let's get to the stuff that matters to you two first, so you can drop off if you like.17:03
thinrichsLast week we talked briefly about possibly moving the meeting time to 5-6p Pacific (which is in the middle of the day in Asia).17:03
thinrichsalexsyip: does that (ever) work for you?  I know it's later than you usually work.17:04
alexsyipThat is ok with me.17:04
thinrichsRuiChen, masahito: if it were 1 hour earlier would that work, or is that too early?17:04
thinrichsSo 4-5p Pacific.17:05
masahitothinrichs: It works for me.17:05
thinrichsWhich I think is 11p UTC-midnight UTC17:05
RuiChenworks for me too17:05
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thinrichsalexsyip: any idea if 4-5p would work for pballand?17:06
alexsyipNo, I don’t know what his schedule is like.17:06
alexsyipHe works from home on some days, so it could be fine for him.17:06
alexsyipI say go for it.17:07
thinrichsSeems like a reasonable adjustment, to save some people from staying up late to join.17:07
thinrichspballand is out of town for a couple more weeks I think.17:07
thinrichsSo let's move it to 4-5p Pacific at least until he gets back.17:08
thinrichsI'll make sure we can find a room that's free and send out email.17:08
thinrichsOops.  forgot to start the topic.17:08
thinrichs#topic Meeting time17:08
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thinrichs#action thinrichs will find a room for meeting 4-5p Pacific on Tuesdays and will email out details to the ML.17:09
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RuiChenthanks for adjusting the meeting time :)17:09
thinrichsRuiChen: happy to.17:10
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thinrichsThe rest of what I have on the agenda is straightforward.17:10
masahitothinrichs: thank you for changing the time ;)17:10
thinrichsStatus update on the mid-cycle sprint17:10
thinrichsmasahito: you're welcome.17:10
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thinrichs1. Status update on mid-cycle sprint17:10
thinrichs2. UI demo discussion17:11
thinrichs3. Milestones17:11
thinrichs4. Python 317:11
thinrichs5. Talks for summit17:11
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thinrichsAnything else?17:11
thinrichs6. status updates (if there's time)17:11
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RuiCheni have a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/147392417:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rui Chen (kiwik-chenrui)17:11
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RuiChenand i want to refactro datasource driver17:12
thinrichsThat's a good bug that has shown up several times.17:12
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thinrichsWe definitely want to make sure datasource drivers update self.state atomically.17:12
thinrichsSome refactoring might help with that.17:12
RuiChenand abstract common logic like updating self.state to super class.17:13
thinrichsRuiChen: sounds reasonable.  Maybe have update_state *return* the new dict and have the base class overload it.17:13
RuiChenyeah, i need to draft a spec or bp?17:13
alexsyipYou can overwrite the existing content of self.state.17:14
alexsyipThey only drawback is that you’ll be holding two copies of all the state while you’re building the new copy.17:14
alexsyipI’m not sure that’s avoidable though.17:14
thinrichsRuiChen: don't worry about a BP/spec for this.17:14
thinrichsRuiChen: I'd do the refactoring and implement 1 datasource driver and push to review.17:14
thinrichsThen we can all give you comments before you touch all the 15 datasources.17:15
thinrichsalexsyip: good points there.17:15
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RuiChenyeah, good suggestion, thanks17:15
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thinrichsRuiChen: one other thought..17:16
thinrichsIf we're pulling a ton of data,17:16
thinrichsand we knew that only some of it changed,17:17
thinrichsit might be useful to only retranslate the portion that changed.17:17
thinrichsI don't think this is an issue right now.17:17
thinrichsBut keep that in the back of your mind.17:18
thinrichsI don't think there's a datasource driver that would do that right now.17:18
thinrichsAnything else to add to the agenda?17:18
RuiChenmaybe we should add congess spec to specs.openstack.org?17:19
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thinrichsRuiChen: I don't know how to do that off the top of my head.17:20
thinrichsAnd I don't have the cycles to look into it.17:20
thinrichsWe also aren't big enough to rely on the spec process the way other projects do.17:21
thinrichsBut if you want to look into it that'd be great.17:21
RuiChenok, i can try17:22
thinrichsRuiChen: I'd say don't spend too long.  Do a little googling; look at project-config; if nothing turns up, let me know.17:22
thinrichsLet's move on to the mid-cycle sprint update.17:23
thinrichs#topic mid-cycle sprint17:23
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RuiChenthinrichs, get it17:23
thinrichsHere's the wiki with info17:23
thinrichs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Liberty_sprints17:23
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thinrichsalexsyip: any progress on getting a room?17:23
alexsyipYup, we got a room at vmware.17:23
alexsyipI will also get food when we have a better headcount.17:24
thinrichsalexsyip: Want to add the room details to the wiki?17:24
thinrichsalexsyip: Maybe also some instructions about where to park and where to sign in.17:24
thinrichsI suppose we should be those details on the eventbrite page as well.  Or maybe just the eventbrite page so there's only one place.17:25
thinrichsAnything else we should discuss about the sprint?17:26
alexsyipI don’t think I can edit eventbrite.17:27
alexsyipThe room is “BASH"17:27
alexsyipin hilltop - A17:27
thinrichs#action thinrichs will add room details for the midcycle summit to eventbrite17:27
thinrichsI'll take care of eventbrite17:28
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thinrichsNext topic: milestones17:29
thinrichs#topic Milestones17:29
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thinrichsWe still want to have people sign up for blueprints and choose the milestone by which they can get those blueprints implemented.17:29
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thinrichs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress17:30
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thinrichsmasahito signed up for 2 and chose a milestone.  Thanks!17:30
masahitoOh. I forgot sending you a milestone though.17:31
thinrichsalexsyip: any thought about the milestone for basic-ha?17:31
veenathinrichs: can anybody sign for any of those blueprints?17:31
thinrichsveena: yep17:31
veenathinrichs: okay17:31
thinrichsveena: I may have a good task for you, that would help us out a bunch and would be a number of small commits.17:32
thinrichsveena: Python3 support17:32
thinrichsI'll come back to that in a minute.17:32
thinrichsmasahito: I have you down for 1 milestone and figured you were waiting to get that done until choosing the next milestone.17:32
veenathinrichs: Sure17:32
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alexsyipI estimate there’s about 2 weeks of work for basic HA.17:33
alexsyipHaving tempest tests running would make things better.17:33
thinrichsalexsyip: I'm finally making progress on the tempest tests17:34
alexsyipoh good.17:34
alexsyipI reinstalled devstack yesterday and had some test failures.17:34
alexsyipin test_neutronv217:34
thinrichsI've spent a *bunch* of time digging through tempest.17:35
thinrichsalexsyip: shall I put liberty-2 down for the basic-ha then?17:35
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alexsyipyeah ok17:36
thinrichsDone17:36
thinrichsalexsyip: I know someone (masahito maybe) fixed a bunch of tempest failures.17:36
thinrichsMaybe there are just some new ones.17:37
thinrichsYou were talking about neutronv2 tempest tests, right?17:37
thinrichsNot the unit tests.17:37
alexsyipyes17:37
masahitoI'm not familier with tempest test.17:37
thinrichsmasahito: sorry—must have been someone else.17:38
thinrichsI'll keep plugging away trying to get tempest tests working in a virtualenv then.17:38
thinrichsWe really do want those tests gating our changes.17:38
thinrichsTime to move on.17:38
thinrichs#topic Python317:38
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thinrichsAll of OpenStack is moving off of Python2, since Python2 is at end-of-life.17:39
thinrichsThe Python community has said they're not supporting it any longer.17:39
thinrichsIn fact we're behind on migrating over, compared to other projects.17:39
thinrichsSo if everyone can pitch in and try to get fixes in, that'd be good.17:39
veenathinrichs: I can take that up17:40
thinrichsHas anyone actually done this kind of porting before?17:40
thinrichsI don't know the best way to go about it.17:40
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thinrichsThere could be a bunch of work, and there could be just a little work.17:40
thinrichsveena: thanks.17:40
veenathinrichs: there's a tool 2to3 which might be of some help17:40
veenathinrichs: Thanks17:41
thinrichsI don't know if we're going full to Python3, or trying to stay backwards compatible with 2.17:41
thinrichsI imagine we want to stay backwards compatible, unless there's a good reason not to.17:41
thinrichsWhich would mean relying on the six package.17:41
veenathinrichs: Okay17:41
thinrichsWe have a python34 job running in the Gate.17:42
thinrichshttp://logs.openstack.org/10/199910/3/check/gate-congress-python34/cedccfe/console.html17:42
thinrichsI haven't looked into what it does.  I imagine it's just running all the tests with python3 instead of python2.17:43
thinrichsAn OpenStack guide on moving from python2 to python3:17:44
thinrichs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python317:44
thinrichsSo let's all try to help with this over the next few weeks.17:45
RuiChenI think backwards compatible is important, many openstack customers are not ready for python3 AFAIK,17:45
RuiChenyeah, I can help to review these patch.17:45
thinrichsInterestingly, that OS page says we're dropping Python3.3 support in LIberty.17:45
thinrichsI'm inclined to believe we should be backwards compatible.17:46
thinrichsSo let's move forward supporting Python2 and Python3.17:47
thinrichsQuestions, issues?17:47
veenathinrichs: Okay. No questions as of now.17:47
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thinrichsveena: I think going through that wiki page is a good first cut at getting to Python3 compatibility.17:48
veenathinrichs: Okay17:48
thinrichsNext topic.17:48
thinrichs#topic Summit talks17:48
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thinrichsJust a reminder that the talks for the summit are due tomorrow.17:49
thinrichs#link •https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/17:49
thinrichsI'm happy to give feedback or edit abstracts.  Just let me know.17:49
RuiChenwe will plan congress hands-on-lab in tokyo?17:51
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thinrichsRuiChen: yep17:51
thinrichsalexsyip submitted a proposal17:52
RuiChengreat, I like it17:52
masahitothinrichs: I've already submitted my abstract. Can you read it if I add you as a speaker?17:52
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thinrichsmasahito: I imagine I can read it if you add me.17:52
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thinrichsRuiChen (and everyone else): let us know if you're interested in preparing/delivering the HOL.17:52
masahitothinrichs: OK. I'll add you just after the meeting17:52
masahitoI can help the HOL as Japanese :)17:53
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thinrichsmasahito: :)17:53
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thinrichsJust a few minutes left.17:54
thinrichsOpen discussio17:54
thinrichs#topic open discussion17:54
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masahitoI want to add a new 'service' table in nova datasource. Do I need to write bp?17:55
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thinrichsmasahito: no blueprint for that.17:55
masahitothinrichs: ok17:55
thinrichsmasahito: you can file a bug if you want17:55
thinrichsmasahito: but that's not required either17:55
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RuiCheneverybody can take a look this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198279/ ?17:57
RuiChenapi version list17:57
thinrichsLet's everyone take a look at that, especially if you know how other projects return API versions.17:58
thinrichsWe're out of time for today.17:59
thinrichsThanks everyone!17:59
RuiChenthank you17:59
veenaThanks17:59
masahitothank you17:59
thinrichs#endmeeting18:00
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 14 19:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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briancurtinif you're around for the SDK meeting, say hi. i'm guessing it's just terry and i. everett is on vacation for a while.19:01
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briancurtinterrylhowe: you around?19:04
terrylhoweo/19:04
briancurtinterrylhowe: what do we want to do with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/python-openstacksdk-big-tent-proposal19:05
terrylhoweno idea19:05
terrylhowethe write up looks fine19:07
briancurtinterrylhowe: once we have the PTL thing ironed out i can submit it (or you can if you want), and then i guess we just do whatever Q&A on the review for it. the thing i still don't want to do with the PTL spot is having some implicit rotation there - since it'll be a real election next time i dont think we can (or should) plan anything like that besides19:07
briancurtinthinking about the current state19:08
briancurtinsomeone we dont even know could come along for the next cycle and be the best candidate, so i think if anyone is interested right now we should just focus on right now19:08
briancurtinso i'm interested in PTL today, and i know you're interested in PTL at some point -- are you interested today?19:11
terrylhowesure I’m interested.  I’m also not interested in doing that for a long time though.19:13
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briancurtini don't know when the next election would be, but i think the only duration is to that next point. since it's per-cycle it cant be any more than six months, and we're in the middle of a cycle so it's probably only a few months anyway. i think?19:17
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terrylhoweanything else we should be talking about?19:20
briancurtinthe last time my email shows something about a PTL election was in April, so i would think the next time it'll come up is October19:21
briancurtinterrylhowe: probably just what we need to get done for 0.619:21
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briancurtinterrylhowe: i pushed the object_store metadata stuff, which would be good to get in. which of your current changes do you want the focus on so we can get them in?19:21
terrylhowethe account stuff looked pretty good, I just had a question on the base class19:22
terrylhoweI haven’t had a change to give the object store stuff a try yet, but yeh, that’d be good to get in19:22
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briancurtinterrylhowe: what's up with the base class? i actually have a question for myself on that...can it or should it pertain to Object as well? i guess i should look at that after this19:23
terrylhoweThis OCC stuff is the the only other thing I think would be extremely helpful for the OSC POC19:23
terrylhowethe question on the base class was why pull in create methods when account doesn’t use them19:23
briancurtinterrylhowe: calling create on it isn't even going to work since Account has allow_create=False, but it could raise NotImplementedError19:24
terrylhowebase class doesn’t look at allow_create and why should it anyway19:25
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terrylhoweall that could of been left in the container class19:26
briancurtinwell Account.create is going to call Account.create_by_id, which is going to see that Account.allow_create=False and it's going to raise that it can't be done...but i could just put that method back in container19:26
briancurtinhowever, if i can actually use the same thing for Object, it will make sense to do that all in the base, so i'll take another look at it19:27
terrylhoweif you use the same create, it would make sense to look at allow_create in the base class19:28
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briancurtinok, i see now - yep19:28
terrylhowesorry, looks like my comment is in draft.19:29
briancurtinterrylhowe: on OCC, i have this one in draft but will just send here: To me, the #1 option for this is a factory function that returns a working Connection object -- that's a fairly common construct. Returning the args isn't the greatest, but I think the last of our options is a class that contains individual methods that have to be called to construct a19:29
briancurtinclass.19:29
briancurtintaking in OCC and returning COnnection will keep any possible changes self-contained. we should solve any testing issues in the tests rather than building a class to make testing easier19:30
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briancurtinif Connection grows to take 5 configurable parameters, both the params-returning-function is tricky, and the class-with-methods is another moving target. function-returning-Connection is the only one that easily survives those changes19:31
terrylhowethat doesn’t solve my functional test config problem though unless I missed something there19:32
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briancurtinterrylhowe: what is the functioanl test config problem?19:33
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briancurtin(i probably know what you're talking about, that combination of words isn't registering...i'm kind of fried today)19:34
terrylhowethe functional tests could really use some configuration and the nicest place to pull that would be occ19:34
terrylhowelike a flavor and image to use testing a particular system19:35
terrylhowepotentially a list of tests to skip if testing a particular system because you know they are going to fail19:35
terrylhoweI think applications in general would want to access the configuration.19:36
terrylhoweI do like the idea of just having a get_connection() though19:36
briancurtinterrylhowe: that sounds like a specialization *beyond* this. creating a Connection from a config is something we should probably figure out first. reading a config and pulling testing information out of it seems like it'd be part 219:37
terrylhoweright, but if I just have a function I can’t expand on it at all19:38
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briancurtinif an application wants to access the configuration it can read the configuration file. the SDK creating its connection is something it should just do19:38
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briancurtini dont think we should try to get all possible information for other people out the config. we need only to know what it takes to create a Connection. if my app needs more i'll read the file19:39
terrylhowewell, maybe the function should just take a cloud_config blob.  that would solve the import issue as well19:40
briancurtinterrylhowe: as in the caller should pass us what comes out of OCC?19:41
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terrylhoweyeh, move the call to get_one_cloud out of there19:41
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terrylhoweanyway, what else?19:43
briancurtinhmm. that might work, but we'd have to have some safety checks up front so we know we can operate on that blob19:43
briancurtinterrylhowe: besides this account/object_store stuff and OCC things, i dont have anything else immediately needed for a 0.6. anything you want to squeeze in?19:43
terrylhowelots of things would be nice, top priority would be that create attributes bug I just created I think19:44
briancurtinthe dynamic loading would be nice to get in, but shouldn't rush that. can do a 0.7 in a few weeks  -- i think that stuff is something we should release immediately once it's ready19:44
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briancurtinterrylhowe: yeah i saw that, that's a good one. not sure why that happened but im guessing it's just based on some of the initial resources we put in - a bunch of them do only return an ID19:44
terrylhoweyeh, I just haven’t gotten back around to the dynamic loading, I have a big backlog19:44
briancurtinbut of course, a lot return more. probably just didn't build that around those ones19:45
terrylhoweI noticed the create thing when I was working on teh osc poc.  I should probably do one more pass there to see if anything else shows up19:46
briancurtinterrylhowe: ok so i'll keep an eye on the OCC thing and try to clean up the Account/object_store stuff. i might not get to it this afternoon since i'm heading to some family stuff, but i'm back to normal tomorrow19:46
terrylhowesounds good19:47
briancurtinterrylhowe: anything else to cover? i think we should be set to release as openstacksdk instead of python-openstacksdk, as far as i remember...i think we changed what we needed19:48
terrylhoweyeh, openstacksdk19:49
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terrylhowerelease Weds or Thurs?19:49
briancurtinterrylhowe: i would think Thurs unless we happen to get everything ironed out tomorrow. im only going to focus on those three things until we're out, so hopefully not too much longer than these next days19:50
terrylhoweawesome19:51
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