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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 12:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 12:00 |
| david-lyle | any horizon folks around? | 12:01 |
| mrunge | yes! | 12:01 |
| mrunge | good morning david-lyle ! | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | good afternoon mrunge | 12:01 |
| robcresswell | Afternoon | 12:02 |
| robcresswell | So.. 3 of us? | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | I don't see many others online right now, so yeah | 12:03 |
| mrunge | makes decisions easier ;-) | 12:03 |
| masco | good morning all | 12:03 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, have you had the time to look at blueprints? | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | So as discussed in last weeks Horizon team meeting, we wanted to clean up the blueprint backlog in horizon and get back to the point where we can provide more immediate feedback on new blueprints proposed. And to clean out ones that are obsolete or don't make sense any more | 12:05 |
| mrunge | or did anyone found out, which blueprints need to be discussed? | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | just wanted to record that for other | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | s | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I am open to plans of attach | 12:05 |
| mrunge | yes, we have way too many bps to act on | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | *attack | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | Yup. Now would be a good time if anyone has a blueprint they are active on, to mention it. | 12:05 |
| mrunge | masco, I know you were about to open a bp | 12:06 |
| mrunge | did you already do it actually? | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | unfortunately, we can't sort bps by date | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | which would be nice | 12:06 |
| masco | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/replace-sorteddict-with-ordereddict | 12:07 |
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| tsufiev | o/ | 12:07 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, o/ | 12:07 |
| mrunge | masco, yes! That's something fitting into django-1.8 as well | 12:08 |
| masco | mrunge, it was created by my fellow developer https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/service-chaining-support | 12:08 |
| mrunge | keeping it separate makes sense as well | 12:08 |
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| * mrunge was talking about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/replace-sorteddict-with-ordereddict | 12:08 | |
| david-lyle | I think the bp masco linked makes perfect sense and is non-controversial as python 2.7 is the minimum in OpenStack | 12:08 |
| mrunge | yes | 12:08 |
| robcresswell | Yup. Also 1.9 is supposed to be supported by the M release, so this needs to be done. | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | I don't see a reason not to approve, anyone? | 12:09 |
| masco | it doesn't need much work, but i need you guys approval to start | 12:09 |
| mrunge | no, makes sense | 12:09 |
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| * robcresswell is getting confused by all the double negatives | 12:09 | |
| mrunge | and about prio here? | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | I put medium | 12:09 |
| mrunge | great | 12:10 |
| masco | thanks! | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | It's a blocker for 1.9 support it seems, so med or high IMO. | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | masco are you thinking Liberty or M for that? | 12:10 |
| masco | i can submit in Liberty | 12:10 |
| mrunge | just added that | 12:11 |
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| david-lyle | ok, one down :) | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | thanks masco | 12:11 |
| masco | thanks all | 12:11 |
| mrunge | masco had another one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/service-chaining-support | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | ok looking | 12:12 |
| mrunge | this is a bit more controversial, at least, it's not that simple | 12:12 |
| masco | me and mohan developing together on this, it in well progress | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | masco this does not require neutronclient changes? | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | or neutron changes? | 12:13 |
| masco | it needs | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | those would be "outside dependencies" | 12:13 |
| masco | that is under developing | 12:13 |
| masco | not sure it may up for review | 12:13 |
| mrunge | we can not rely on unreleased features | 12:14 |
| masco | agree, | 12:14 |
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| david-lyle | please update with patches if available, or at least not that changes are needed in neutron and neutronclient | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | *note | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | IMO, that bp cannot be targeted yet as it is waiting on unmerged changes to Neutron | 12:15 |
| mrunge | yes | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | right | 12:15 |
| masco | i added here to get confirmation from the cores and avoid the duplicate work | 12:15 |
| masco | i will add a note as you said david-lyle | 12:15 |
| mrunge | on the other side, it's no question, we should support that, once its implemented in neutron | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | priority? | 12:16 |
| masco | yes | 12:16 |
| mrunge | currently? | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | no, I'd like to prioritize | 12:16 |
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| david-lyle | makes sifting through later easier | 12:16 |
| mrunge | medium I'd say | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | For now I would mark as Low. It's a very specific feature it seems, and can be reevalutated later? | 12:17 |
| mrunge | sure | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I was thinking low to medium | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | Either is fine. | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | set to low, I agree with robcresswell, once it's concrete in neutron we can increase if necessary | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | cool | 12:18 |
| masco | :) | 12:18 |
| mrunge | should masco try to get guidance from UX folks for this? | 12:18 |
| mrunge | I think visualization might be tricky? | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | That would probably be a good idea | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, if you have an idea on implementation, discuss the layout with Piet & co. | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Then when the code is merged to neutron, there is no arguing/ delay on design | 12:19 |
| masco | sure, i will do | 12:19 |
| mrunge | masco, if you need a pointer to Piet, I can make a contact | 12:19 |
| masco | yes mrunge, i will ask you about this | 12:19 |
| masco | thanks | 12:20 |
| mrunge | will do that later | 12:20 |
| masco | sure | 12:20 |
| mrunge | looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon | 12:20 |
| mrunge | I was just looking at high prio bps | 12:21 |
| robcresswell | Is there an API for this? Interface is so useless >.< | 12:21 |
| robcresswell | launchpad blueprints I mean :) | 12:21 |
| mrunge | there's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/api-capability-detection | 12:21 |
| mrunge | maybe we should pull all bps into a google docs | 12:21 |
| mrunge | just to be sure, we're looking at each just once | 12:21 |
| robcresswell | heh, we just need some better filtering mechanisms | 12:22 |
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| david-lyle | that's an old bp | 12:23 |
| masco | mrunge, the BP is already approved | 12:23 |
| mrunge | yes, but nobody is working on it | 12:23 |
| mrunge | I thought it was a candidate for removing | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | I think it is | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | until someone is ready to run with it | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | there is no detail in there | 12:24 |
| mrunge | let's drop it then? | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | I think so | 12:24 |
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| robcresswell | Scrolling through started and unprioritised ones. This could be closed, it looks like it was solved in a patch: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-unittest2 | 12:25 |
| masco | we just remove the assignee then only other ppl will try to pick | 12:25 |
| mrunge | so, how to remove it... | 12:25 |
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| robcresswell | Mark Obsolete? | 12:26 |
| masco | ho, i thought cores have permission ;) | 12:26 |
| mrunge | yes, they have | 12:26 |
| mrunge | but that is really obfuscated in launchpad | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | ok marked and not added | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | *note | 12:27 |
| vgridnev | hey guys, there is an blueprint related for sahara https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/sahara-node-processes-tab ; implementation is already on review and well reviewed by sahara folks | 12:27 |
| mrunge | yay two less to go | 12:27 |
| robcresswell | vgridnev: Looking | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | seems widely supported by the sahara team, looking at the patch | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | Looks like a pretty small bp. I think Liberty, Low priority. It's just a layout redesign. | 12:29 |
| mrunge | agree with robcresswell | 12:29 |
| vgridnev | robcresswell, agreed | 12:29 |
| masco | +1 | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | ok updated | 12:30 |
| mrunge | thanks vgridnev for bringing this up | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | thanks vgridnev | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | You missed milestone btw | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | that's after the fact now | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | only set when completed | 12:31 |
| mrunge | vgridnev, that reorg does not touch tests at all? | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Oh, okay | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | change this release | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Gotcha | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Is that the same with bugs? | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | we realized planning was mostly futile | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: for the most part | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Or should I still be targetting the merged ones | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | bugs that need to be fixed before release should be targetted | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Sure okay | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I tend to target any merged ones or critical blockers | 12:33 |
| masco | i have one more to review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/instance-rescue-horizon-support | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | At some point I would like to dig into a few of the angular related bps, but I think we need a wider audience for htat | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | *that | 12:33 |
| masco | implementation is done already | 12:34 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: We can do that next week. I'll get a list together. | 12:34 |
| mrunge | awesome robcresswell | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | thanks robcresswell, I think that work is too scattershot at this point, I would like to provide better focus | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | masco: looking | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | I think there is actually a fair amount of organisation behind the scenes, but it needs to be better shown to the community. | 12:35 |
| masco | coming with list BP before meeting will be good | 12:36 |
| mrunge | yes | 12:36 |
| tsufiev | it this meeting meant as well for drawing attention to the bps which are approved and the code is complete, but not reviewed? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | unrescue instance | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | that sounds strange | 12:36 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, intention is to clean up abandoned blueprints, review new ones | 12:37 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Not really, this is mainly for bp review and cleanup | 12:37 |
| vgridnev | mrunge, since bp was approved, we can continue discussions on patch, right? btw, right now it's was tested manually. If you want to have tests there, I will add that | 12:37 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, robcresswell: ah, okay | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, no if the bp is approved already, it's outside the scope of this, unless you think it should be abandoned | 12:37 |
| masco | nova command itself named as unrescue :) | 12:37 |
| mrunge | we have alist of 297 blueprints. I'm confident, on all are being worked on | 12:37 |
| tsufiev | got it | 12:37 |
| masco | come out from rescue is unrescue | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | masco: it's like I pulled you out of the flooded river and now I'm going to throw you back in | 12:38 |
| mrunge | vgridnev, I agree, tests are out of scope for bp review. I still think, having tests would be beneficial | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | just sounds odd | 12:38 |
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| masco | :) | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | but word smithing can happen later | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | so masco in your bp, we're just setting the state, and the repair happens elsewhere? | 12:40 |
| masco | yes, it is just enabling the nova rescue cmd in horizon | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | How is this different to logging in via the terminals that instances already expose btw? | 12:41 |
| masco | if it went to error state you can't login robcresswell | 12:42 |
| masco | so you can use other image to access the error instance and do repair | 12:42 |
| robcresswell | Interesting | 12:43 |
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| david-lyle | seems reasonable to me | 12:43 |
| robcresswell | Since this is already fully supported by nova, I think medium? Also, it may be sensible to reach out to UX and see if they have any ideas on display. | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I think we have a pattern here already for display | 12:44 |
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| mrunge | yeah, it's described in the bp | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | it's just a modal saying here's you pass or ssh key to access the rescued instance | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I'm inclined to leave it a low | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | not really a mainline feature | 12:45 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | Sure, I was drawing the comparison with the other feature in my mind | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | but Low is fine | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | updated | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | next? | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | woohoo! Is that.. 5 down? | 12:46 |
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| mrunge | 2 down from 297 bp overall | 12:46 |
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| masco | thanks all once again :) | 12:46 |
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| mrunge | we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-spec and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/rpc-listener | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | I meant from those that were not review/ prioritised, we've looked at several and obsoleted 2. | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | So far so good. | 12:47 |
| mrunge | I'd be inclined to obsolete both | 12:47 |
| mrunge | agree, robcresswell | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | yes, that still needs to happen but probably needs a new start | 12:47 |
| mrunge | ah, and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication on the same topic | 12:48 |
| robcresswell | Agree with obsoletion. | 12:48 |
| mrunge | so, obsolete all three? | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | the last one had code | 12:48 |
| mrunge | right | 12:48 |
| robcresswell | First two, havent looked at third yet, one sec | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | I remembered code | 12:49 |
| mrunge | there was code | 12:49 |
| mrunge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40198/ | 12:49 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I've heard from Travis that he was going to do some study in the realtime communications in M release (for SearchLight) | 12:50 |
| robcresswell | Hmm. I still think this one (third one) could be obsolete. All of the code is 2 year old demo code with no merges. Would it be picked up again, or better to start over at this point? | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: yes, just wondering of leveraging some of the work tomas started would be usefule | 12:51 |
| tsufiev | but most likely nobody would be hurt if the old bp is obsoleted and a new one is created | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | I marked all 3 as obsolete | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | but bookmarked the one with code to look at again | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | +1 | 12:52 |
| mrunge | great | 12:53 |
| masco | agree | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/user-registration | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | won't happen | 12:53 |
| mrunge | yes | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | I had it as blocked, but I think it's best just to remove | 12:53 |
| robcresswell | Nice. If we can keep covering 10 - 15 bps a week this could be very productive. I'll bring a list for angular next week so hopefully we can be even faster. | 12:54 |
| mrunge | although has been requested several times, david-lyle | 12:54 |
| mrunge | but I completely agree | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | yeah I've been leaving as a "do not enter" sign | 12:54 |
| masco | keystone will not allow to create | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | masco: that's why it's blocked :) | 12:55 |
| robcresswell | Oh, this does get mentioned often. But the bp itself is not useful/ relevant in its current state | 12:55 |
| masco | :) | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | obsolete | 12:56 |
| mrunge | a last one? | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | with note | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | user-registration | 12:57 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | sure | 12:57 |
| masco | +1 | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | misunderstood the question | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | which one mrunge? | 12:57 |
| mrunge | uhm, I was looking for a last bp to review/obsolete | 12:57 |
| mrunge | e.g this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/scaling-trigger-ceilometer-integration | 12:57 |
| mrunge | sounds useful; although it looks like a heat feature | 12:58 |
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| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/dashboards-decoupling has not seen any progress | 12:58 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:59 |
| mrunge | obsolete both? | 12:59 |
| robcresswell | Yes | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | Neither has code | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | Nor much detail :) | 13:00 |
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| mrunge | great | 13:00 |
| mrunge | that was quite productive! | 13:00 |
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| robcresswell | Yup. Total reduced by 8 I think, and a few more prioritised. | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | excellent | 13:01 |
| robcresswell | I will prep a list of angular bps today so it's ready for next week. | 13:01 |
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| robcresswell | before I forget. Should only take a small while. | 13:01 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: when you do, can you put it on the agenda for next week | 13:02 |
| mrunge | awesome! | 13:02 |
| robcresswell | Will do | 13:02 |
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| masco | sounds good | 13:02 |
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| david-lyle | thanks for your time and effort. I feel good about the progress. | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 13:02:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-08-12-12.00.html | 13:02 |
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| mrunge | yes, thanks all | 13:02 |
| masco | bye all | 13:03 |
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| jschwarz | woooo meeting!!! | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | o/ | 14:00 |
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| moshele | hi | 14:00 |
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| irenab | hi | 14:01 |
| Ramanjaneya | Hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachyshka | hi all. we'll wait a minute before starting | 14:01 |
| ajo | hi :) | 14:01 |
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| ihrachyshka | ok, let's go | 14:01 |
| ihrachyshka | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 14:02:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachyshka. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:02 |
| ihrachyshka | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| ihrachyshka | first thing first: hopefully, feature/qos lives its last days: we'll request merge back today. | 14:02 |
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| ajo | yipieeee :) | 14:02 |
| * amuller cries | 14:02 | |
| ihrachyshka | I'll send an email later once the merge patch is up for review, and ajo said he'll post a video with the feature | 14:02 |
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| * ajo ajo is on it :) | 14:03 | |
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| ihrachyshka | the original plan was to request merge on Mon, but on Mon we had some things to fix, like devref or the fact that we limited ingress instead of egress ;) | 14:03 |
| * jschwarz a video! \o/ | 14:03 | |
| ihrachyshka | and yesterday we had gate failures that are now fixed | 14:03 |
| ihrachyshka | I expect remaining feature/qos patches to merge in an hour. so stay tuned. | 14:04 |
| ihrachyshka | any remaining work will proceed in master | 14:04 |
| ajo | ack | 14:04 |
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| ihrachyshka | (unless there are major flaws that will need fix before merge-back) | 14:04 |
| ajo | I found a issue with policy.json that will need fix, | 14:04 |
| ajo | it will allow a tenant creating a policy, a rule, but crashes when updating a rule | 14:05 |
| ajo | tenants should not create qos policies , or rules for this release | 14:05 |
| ihrachyshka | good. we have stuff to fix, that's for sure. | 14:05 |
| ajo | yes | 14:05 |
| ihrachyshka | #topic ongoing work | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ongoing work (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:05 | |
| ihrachyshka | so I know that moshele was looking into refactoring qos extension drivers API. he has a patch: https://review.openstack.org/211090 but now it's abandoned | 14:06 |
| ihrachyshka | moshele, I guess you'll revive it once in master, right? | 14:06 |
| moshele | yes | 14:07 |
| ihrachyshka | also, jschwarz was working on fullstack tests. and we have one: https://review.openstack.org/202492 but since it requires neutronclient changes first, it will wait | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | yes | 14:07 |
| ihrachyshka | finally, we have client changes: https://review.openstack.org/189655 and https://review.openstack.org/198277 thanks to vikram, Ramanjaneya and jschwarz for supporting those | 14:08 |
| ihrachyshka | I hope we'll get them in quick after neutron merge | 14:08 |
| Ramanjaneya | jschwarz: anything pending on neutron-client part? | 14:08 |
| ihrachyshka | then we'll be able to proceed on fullstack | 14:08 |
| irenab | ihrachyshka: spec update is waiting for second +2 | 14:08 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, was that an issue in client to solve with the name filter? ^ | 14:09 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka, correct, | 14:09 |
| ihrachyshka | oh right. we have spec to update: | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | ihrachyshka, as ajo mentioned, we found a but on the neutronclient where the rule might be searched for using a name | 14:09 |
| ihrachyshka | #link https://review.openstack.org/199112 | 14:09 |
| ihrachyshka | please review ^ and we'll make sure it's in :) | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | that's of course an error because rules don't have a name. I'm looking into that now | 14:09 |
| ajo | thanks jschwarz | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | of course | 14:09 |
| ihrachyshka | other than that, we will still have some TODOs here and there to solve, but nothing critical. | 14:10 |
| ihrachyshka | I guess once client and server and spec are in, we can claim bp is done? fullstack will go as an optional beyond the blueprint I guess since it may take time to get the depending patches in first. | 14:10 |
| ihrachyshka | what do you think? | 14:11 |
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| ihrachyshka | anything failing beyond it should be handled as a bug I thinik | 14:11 |
| jschwarz | sounds good to me | 14:11 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, I assume silence means everyone agrees :) | 14:12 |
| amuller | nay | 14:12 |
| ajo | jschwarz, vikram : looking at the spec: | 14:12 |
| ajo | neutron qos-bandwidth-limit-rule-update <policy-name-or-id> <rule-id> | 14:12 |
| ihrachyshka | NAY! | 14:12 |
| amuller | you cannot claim the blueprint is complete without an integration test imo | 14:12 |
| ajo | but the client expects the opposite | 14:12 |
| ajo | <rule-id> <policy> which is counter intuitive | 14:12 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, hm. like... any other blueprint? | 14:12 |
| jschwarz | ajo, well, that's not really something we can change I think... | 14:12 |
| amuller | ihrachyshka: can we try and raise the bar? | 14:12 |
| amuller | is there anything blocking the fullstack test after merge to master? | 14:13 |
| jschwarz | ajo, the lbaas guys did opposite of what you wrote as well.. changing that goes deep into neutronclient mechanics I think | 14:13 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, we obviously can. I just wonder what it buys us. do you think we will stop working on fullstack right after it's marked done? | 14:13 |
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| ajo | jschwarz, ok, then we need to fix the spec | 14:13 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, I guess we need to go and review patches that jschwarz rebased.. | 14:13 |
| jschwarz | amuller, the neutronclient patches also block the fullstack test, and neutronclient is blocked because the gate is broken for that repo. | 14:14 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, ok, if you are against, I take it as order :) | 14:14 |
| jschwarz | (for the last week) | 14:14 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, heh. and here you should put your testing hat on! | 14:14 |
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| amuller | time to fix a gate then... | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller, are you into the fix? are you in touch with pc_m? | 14:15 |
| amuller | not at all | 14:15 |
| amuller | I'll do that though | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | thank you | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | I think they may not see the end of the tunnel :) | 14:15 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, let's move to open agenda | 14:16 |
| ihrachyshka | #topic open agenda | 14:16 |
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| ihrachyshka | ajo, so can you update us about why tenants should not create policies? | 14:16 |
| jschwarz | so we need to revisit the policy.json settings | 14:16 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka: yes | 14:16 |
| ajo | the initial plan was to only let admins create and maintain policies/rules | 14:16 |
| ajo | if a policy is shared, a tenant can attach it to a port or net | 14:16 |
| ajo | but not otherwise | 14:17 |
| ajo | in the future, RBAC will make that more modular | 14:17 |
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| ajo | people willing to let their tenants do qos themselves, will have to modify policy.json, and we will document that | 14:17 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, but it's supported, right? | 14:17 |
| ihrachyshka | with the policy change of course | 14:17 |
| ajo | ihrachyshka, yes | 14:17 |
| ihrachyshka | we have the code to handle access, kudos to jschwarz | 14:18 |
| ajo | jschwarz++ | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | ^_^ | 14:18 |
| ajo | yes, we have to review and tune the policies | 14:18 |
| ajo | and provide the 2nd alternate (open example) in documentation | 14:18 |
| ihrachyshka | if we would have time, we could even get RBAC this cycle | 14:18 |
| ajo | I'd leave that for M | 14:18 |
| ihrachyshka | I think it's quite pluggable the way kevinbenton implements it | 14:18 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachyshka, RBAC still has unmerged code so... | 14:18 |
| ajo | I believe we should focus in polishing, testing and debugging | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | i agree with ajo here | 14:19 |
| ihrachyshka | jschwarz, well, I'm almost sure it's a matter of days. | 14:19 |
| ihrachyshka | I see a lot of review traction around it | 14:19 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, let's polish :) | 14:19 |
| ihrachyshka | or czech :) | 14:19 |
| ajo | lol | 14:19 |
| jschwarz | :) | 14:19 |
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| ajo | I'm more comfortable with spanish | 14:19 |
| jschwarz | hebrew? | 14:19 |
| ajo | :) | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | nah, no czech :* | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | :( | 14:20 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachyshka, in regards to the open agenda; neutronclient still requires a bit of work - there's that rule-naming thing and a few reviews still left unhandled | 14:20 |
| ihrachyshka | anything else ongoing or needs discussion? | 14:20 |
| ihrachyshka | jschwarz, I bet you are on it | 14:20 |
| jschwarz | I'll get to them by tomorrow I think - it will be ready by time for L for sure. | 14:20 |
| jschwarz | XD | 14:20 |
| ihrachyshka | see?!! I tell ya | 14:21 |
| jschwarz | just letting you know so that there are no surprises ;-) | 14:21 |
| ihrachyshka | overall people, good work on the branch, I look forward to see us polishing the feature in another one ;) | 14:21 |
| irenab | I have f question regarding nova flavor extra_spec settings for qos, but maybe we can discuss it next week, after pre-merge crisis is over | 14:22 |
| ihrachyshka | jschwarz, I don't remember when there were any surprises from your side. it's generally like 'yeah, there is an issue. and btw, the fix is up' | 14:22 |
| jschwarz | ihrachyshka, thanks ^_^ | 14:22 |
| ihrachyshka | irenab, ok cool. | 14:22 |
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| ajo | irenab, that's documented on the spec, nova can set flavors for qos, but that's not compatible with ours | 14:22 |
| irenab | please check the spec update patch and if something else need correction, lets add it | 14:23 |
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| ajo | irenab, just added a nit now | 14:23 |
| ihrachyshka | so if there is nothing critical, I suggest we end the meeting now and I go check the queue on whether I can proceed with merge request already. | 14:23 |
| irenab | ajo: I think we should check ifwe can integrate both | 14:23 |
| ajo | irenab, yes, we will certanly need to integrate for scheduling / guarantee purposes | 14:23 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo, I think it's two parallel things, but let's move it to the next week :) | 14:23 |
| ajo | irenab: I'm already talking with nikola dipanov for that :) | 14:23 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo++ | 14:23 |
| jschwarz | ajo, do you want to work on the spec change re: neutronclient and I'll do the review afterwards? | 14:24 |
| irenab | for users its easier to manage per flavor qos requremens | 14:24 |
| irenab | ajo: please loop me in | 14:24 |
| ajo | irenab, yes, also assigning neutron qos flavors to nova would be cool | 14:24 |
| ajo | if that's what you mean :) | 14:24 |
| ajo | irenab: I will :) | 14:24 |
| irenab | ajo: I think so :-) | 14:24 |
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| ihrachyshka | ok, I take the silence as the lack of more critical things to discuss | 14:26 |
| ihrachyshka | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 14:27:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-08-12-14.02.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-08-12-14.02.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-08-12-14.02.log.html | 14:27 |
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| ihrachyshka | o/ | 14:27 |
| jschwarz | bb | 14:27 |
| irenab | bye | 14:27 |
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| jlibosva | bye | 14:27 |
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| ajo | o/ | 14:28 |
| ajo | thanks ihrachyshka ! ;) | 14:28 |
| ajo | thanks * | 14:28 |
| ajo | :) | 14:28 |
| irenab | ajo: have a min? | 14:29 |
| ajo | irenab, yes, sure :) | 14:29 |
| irenab | neutron irc? | 14:29 |
| irenab | here? | 14:29 |
| ajo | yeah, that sounds good, irc works in general :) | 14:29 |
| ajo | #openstack-neutron :) | 14:29 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 17:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| alaski | anyone around for the meeting today? | 17:00 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | o/ | 17:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:00 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest testing | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| alaski | melwitt: anything to report here? | 17:01 |
| lalitd | hello | 17:01 |
| alaski | btw, I updated the goo.gl link in the wiki because the job name changed | 17:01 |
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| melwitt | alaski: oh cool. I don't have anything to report | 17:02 |
| alaski | melwitt: great, thanks | 17:02 |
| alaski | #topic open reviews | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:02 | |
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| alaski | new flavor tables in the api db at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201606/ | 17:02 |
| alaski | and request spec persistence at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211753, though I need to fix up tests and split that somehow | 17:03 |
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| alaski | anything else to call out? | 17:03 |
| alaski | mlavalle: around? | 17:03 |
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| mlavalle | yeah | 17:03 |
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| alaski | #topic gather ideas for Neutron and cells v2 | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gather ideas for Neutron and cells v2 (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:04 | |
| alaski | mlavalle: want to speak to this? | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | I just wanted to mention that I added a etherpad to the agenda, to gather inpout on neutron suppor for cells 2 | 17:04 |
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| alaski | are you looking for general ideas, or are there specific things you'd like input on? | 17:05 |
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| alaski | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-nova-v2-cells | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | any ideas you think are relevant for the topic | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | and i'll populate it over the next few weeks | 17:06 |
| alaski | cool | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | that's all i have | 17:07 |
| alaski | everyone please take a look and add anything that's important to your interactions between nova and networking | 17:07 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:08 | |
| alaski | anyone have a topic for today? | 17:08 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski : We are working on flavor objects | 17:08 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | maybe we will have some sort of code before end of this week | 17:08 |
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| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: great. you're adding support for flavor objects to work with multiple dbs, or adding a new object? | 17:09 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | Maybe I'll ping you when it is up, because there a re afew sticking points | 17:09 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: that would be good | 17:09 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | support for flavor object to work with 2 dbs | 17:09 |
| alaski | great | 17:09 |
| melwitt | I started working on the db connection switching at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161906/ yesterday. it's -W for now while I fix a circular import and do more testing | 17:09 |
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| alaski | melwitt: awesome. would you like some reviews in the meantime? | 17:10 |
| alaski | anything else for today? | 17:11 |
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| melwitt | alaski: yes, that would be good because I feel like it might be off from what you had in mind. I was trying to materialize an initial attempt | 17:12 |
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| alaski | melwitt: gotcha. I'll take a look, and encourage others to as well | 17:12 |
| melwitt | alaski: cool, thanks | 17:12 |
| alaski | I think that's it for today | 17:13 |
| alaski | thanks everyone | 17:13 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 17:13:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-12-17.00.html | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-12-17.00.txt | 17:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-12-17.00.log.html | 17:13 |
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| sc68cal | who's present for the fwaas meeting in 5 minutes? | 18:25 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: you mean who is a chairman? | 18:28 |
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| sc68cal | hoangcx: SridarK and I will co-chair | 18:28 |
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| SridarK | Hi all | 18:29 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: I see. Thanks | 18:29 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 18:29 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:29 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 18:30:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 18:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK | 18:30 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal | 18:30 |
| SridarK | Hi All, sc68cal: will be running the FWaaS mtgs henceforth, was happy to step in for the interim period | 18:30 |
| annp | hi | 18:30 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 18:30 |
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| SridarK | hi | 18:30 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 18:30 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 18:30 |
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| bharath | hi | 18:31 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:31 |
| jwarendt | Hello | 18:31 |
| pc_m | hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | So, I guess the first thing to do is announce (formally) that we have had a new core team that was appointed by the neutron core team, to help continue the work that has been done so far with the fwaas project | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | it consists of SridarK, myself, blogan, xgerman, as well as dougwig and mestery | 18:32 |
| * mestery lurks | 18:32 | |
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| madhu_ak | +1 to the core team | 18:33 |
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| jwarendt | Congrats to those involved! | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | I will be the first to say that I am very new to the fwaas codebase, and I will be looking to get to know everyone - and that I will also be relying heavily on the contributors who have been working on fwaas to help guide me - and I imagine the same for the new cores | 18:33 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:33 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 surely the whole team is behind this completely | 18:34 |
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| sc68cal | If you hadn't seen my e-mail to the openstack-dev mailing list, earlier this week was a bit .... more eventful than I was bargaining for | 18:34 |
| xgerman | no kidding... | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | I was hoping to ease into things by just +2'ing some patches that were easy | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | :-), sc68cal: this has happened in the past as well some how we stick out as a Red Herring :-) | 18:35 |
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| sc68cal | So I went into a little bit of an adventure yesterday - we have a fix where we are skipping the test that was failing, so we can at least now take time to figure out a fix | 18:36 |
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| sc68cal | without having me throwing things against the wall :) | 18:36 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: Given the available data it was right to attempt the revert and then as more data was avail to bump it out | 18:36 |
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| sc68cal | SridarK: agreed. So keep an eye on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1484196 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1484196 in neutron "Re-enable test_firewall_insertion_mode_add_remove_router FwaaS test" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 18:37 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: will do | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1483875 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483875 in neutron "FWaaS - firewall deleted unexpectedly by agent" [High,Confirmed] | 18:37 |
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| sc68cal | There's been discussion in -neutron about getting the *aaS projects into their own non-voting jobs | 18:38 |
| sc68cal | probably will come up in the next main meeting | 18:38 |
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| sc68cal | Ok - so off my podium - I'll take a look at our wiki agenda now - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: did you have any topics that we need to discuss? | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: nothing very specific, we normally do a run down on any new critical bugs - nothing noteworthy | 18:41 |
| SridarK | Service Groups, Logging are some projects and of course our Roadmap | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | I see some recent activity on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1477097 | 18:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477097 in neutron "fwaas: firewall in error status after update firewall-rule " [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sridar Kandaswamy (skandasw) | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | yes i can definitely reproduce this so i Confirmed it | 18:43 |
| SridarK | i am digging thru this to see what is going on | 18:44 |
| SridarK | should have something moving over the next couple of days | 18:44 |
| sc68cal | understood | 18:44 |
| * pc_m may want to use #topic... | 18:45 | |
| sc68cal | good idea | 18:45 |
| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 18:45 |
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| SridarK | i don't believe there was something else critical that popped up (other than the action yesterday) | 18:46 |
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| badveli | hello all sorry delayed | 18:47 |
| SridarK | badveli: hi | 18:47 |
| badveli | sorry got delayed | 18:47 |
| xgerman | hi | 18:47 |
| badveli | hello xgerman | 18:48 |
| sc68cal | ok, if there aren't any other bugs I'll go ahead and move on to another topic | 18:48 |
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| sc68cal | #topic service groups | 18:49 |
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| sc68cal | badveli: Do you have anything to share about this topic? | 18:50 |
| badveli | currently i could not spend any time | 18:50 |
| badveli | i need to update the patch | 18:51 |
| SridarK | badveli: Do check on my email response to u, when u have time we can sync up more if needed as well | 18:51 |
| sc68cal | badveli: is the patch in gerrit? I don't see it in the list of reviews | 18:51 |
| badveli | i have an issue with creating an extension | 18:52 |
| badveli | i need to fix | 18:52 |
| SridarK | badveli: i think it will be good to get it out, u can mark it WIP | 18:52 |
| badveli | ok, let me work on it, i have very limited time to work on it | 18:53 |
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| badveli | when is the liberty-3 schedule | 18:53 |
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| sc68cal | very close I think | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | end of sept? | 18:54 |
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| badveli | i need to work in my spare time | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 18:54 |
| SridarK | badveli: we are fast approaching more like end of aug for FF | 18:54 |
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| sc68cal | badveli: OK - my suggestion would be put up what you have so far, we can take a look and see if others can help chip in | 18:55 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:55 |
| badveli | ok thanks | 18:55 |
| SridarK | badveli: we can discuss on the extensions bit - i can help | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | #topic usecases | 18:56 |
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| sc68cal | This might be a little old - but if you haven't seen http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069784.html | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | please do take a look - this was a work artifact from the midcycle sprint - I'd like to see veterans of the fwaas codebase (and users) take a look and validate our conclusions | 18:57 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: we discussed the alignment with SG last mtg, and i think we are in consensus that we keep SG separate and not mess with it - u were a key part of the discussion there | 18:58 |
| xgerman | yep | 18:58 |
| blogan | +1 | 18:58 |
| xgerman | we like to keep two API’s but use a common backend | 18:58 |
| sc68cal | if you need to be added to the trello board let me know, I'll add you | 18:58 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: Hopefully if we are in agreement we formalize this and we will not be in a position where this will get revisited again. | 18:59 |
| mickeys | Rephrase: Keep existing SG separate for compatibility with AWS, then enhance FWaaS to include new SG functionality as well as new and existing FWaaS functionality | 18:59 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 18:59 |
| SridarK | mickeys: definitely this was the discussion where we came to a close on - the articulation of the overlap | 19:00 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: sounds good, overall | 19:00 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:00 |
| hoangcx | mickeys: +1 | 19:00 |
| xgerman | all innovation happens in the FWaaS | 19:00 |
| xgerman | API | 19:00 |
| badveli | xgerman +1 | 19:01 |
| SridarK | +1 but we will be careful so that any overlap does not cause confusion for users | 19:01 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: agreed | 19:01 |
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| sc68cal | I think we also have a chance to do some good cross-collaboration with other advanced services on things like classifiers, service insertion, etc.. | 19:02 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 | 19:02 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:02 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:02 |
| sc68cal | it's going to be challenging, I don't think there has been an API extension that has tried to reach across so many other boundaries | 19:02 |
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| sc68cal | I have two little thoughts before I turn over to open discussion | 19:03 |
| sc68cal | I want to float the possibility of maybe once a week meeting, to keep our sync ratio high | 19:04 |
| sc68cal | and secondly see if we need to do a rotating time to make it easier for different timezones, do alternating | 19:04 |
| sc68cal | something to think about - not going to change it unilaterally | 19:05 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: on the frequency this was an adjustment as we did not have as much for every week but we can definitely think about | 19:05 |
| xgerman | yeah, with the redesign work shorter sync might be better | 19:05 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: on the time zone definitely a priority as we have some contributors from Japan | 19:05 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: +1 | 19:06 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: +1 | 19:06 |
| SridarK | and China | 19:06 |
| SridarK | I know Yushiro is not here but he did request a more favorable time | 19:07 |
| SridarK | we can certainly look into that | 19:07 |
| hoangcx | It is 4:07 am in Japan and 2:07 in Vietnam | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | hoangcx: sigh thanks for staying up so late | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | #action sc68cal start looking for a favorable time for asia pacific - coordinate with hoangcx and yushiro | 19:07 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: Yushiro really wants to attend this meeting :( | 19:07 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: Thanks a lot. | 19:08 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: yes and +1 on sc68cal: for a new time | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | hoangcx: no problem - the ipv6 team had a member from china so I'm no stranger to the challenge | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | we never fixed it - xuhanp was joining at 11pm her time - but we'll try and do better than 2 and 4am | 19:09 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal, SridarK: Thank you all | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: I think you had a topic? | 19:09 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal, SridarK: is there any place for "Logging" topic? | 19:10 |
| sc68cal | yep that's the one | 19:10 |
| SridarK | yes that was the on | 19:10 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS Logging | 19:10 |
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| sc68cal | ++ | 19:10 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: all yours | 19:10 |
| hoangcx | We are still discussing with core team about NEW logging API which will support log feature for both SG and FW. | 19:10 |
| hoangcx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 19:10 |
| hoangcx | Source code is almost ready to upload. | 19:10 |
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| hoangcx | So could you all please help Yushiro and me to accelerate it into L3 before FF | 19:11 |
| * sc68cal stars it | 19:11 | |
| SridarK | hoangcx: yes will do | 19:11 |
| hoangcx | Currently, HenryG help me to appended this topic to driver team's agenda | 19:11 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: Thanks | 19:12 |
| xgerman | will have a look... | 19:12 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: Thanks a lot :-) | 19:13 |
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| xgerman | I will try to float that with some HP Logging people | 19:13 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: +1 | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | cool - I guess a good action item for this topic is for the new cores to review the spec | 19:15 |
| xgerman | :-) | 19:15 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: anything else u need to discuss ? | 19:15 |
| hoangcx | That's all for current status about FWaaS logging. And it really need to be accelerated to be approved in L3. | 19:15 |
| xgerman | $action xgerman, blogan, sc68cal review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 19:15 |
| xgerman | #action xgerman, blogan, sc68cal review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 19:15 |
| sc68cal | That's an agressive timeline, based on my experience L3 stuff is usually stuff that has been pretty far along in review | 19:16 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: Thank you so much. :-) | 19:16 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: Please continue | 19:16 |
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| sc68cal | s/L3/third milestone | 19:16 |
| xgerman | yeah, and logging surely will be controversial | 19:16 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i think we can move to the next topic | 19:16 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: ACK - suggestions? | 19:16 |
| SridarK | we can move to Open Discussion | 19:16 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:17 |
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| * sc68cal feels like captian picard - "Make it so" | 19:17 | |
| SridarK | hehe | 19:17 |
| sc68cal | :) | 19:17 |
| sc68cal | mestery: dougwig: anything you'd like to add? | 19:18 |
| mickeys | Just wondering if anyone is looking at enhancing FWaaS implementation with DVR: make it fully distributed, covering east/west as well as north/south, etc. We are thinking of getting someone to work on that. | 19:18 |
| SridarK | mickeys: that is quite complex, we can discuss with the DVR folks on this | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: yes - E-W was a big usecase, and there was a patch in review that enabled it for DVR - https://review.openstack.org/203493 | 19:19 |
| SridarK | mickeys: i had worked thru the changes to get the basic N - S use cases | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | it's surprisingly simple | 19:19 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i am not comfortable with that review, i will get on gerrit for that | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | the trouble is I think we need constructs in the API to help expose this behavior - per my comments in the review | 19:19 |
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| SridarK | one of the challenges is conn tracking | 19:20 |
| sc68cal | otherwise we'll have an API that totally depends on which driver you're running for where a firewall is inserted | 19:20 |
| SridarK | for E - W | 19:20 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: indeed | 19:20 |
| jwarendt | Agree the async nature of East-West routing makes stateful rules very challenging; the patch doesn't address. | 19:20 |
| SridarK | mickeys: it is an important feature but will need more discussion, IMO | 19:20 |
| * sc68cal plans on at least a design summit session in tokyo for it - if not more | 19:21 | |
| SridarK | mickeys: the other thing is can we get more discussion on the overlap with SG on the ether pad | 19:21 |
| mickeys | sc68cal: Thanks for the pointer. That gives us somewhere to start, in addition to general ramp up on DVR | 19:21 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: yes exactly | 19:21 |
| SridarK | let me get some clarifications out on gerrit for that - been meaning to do this and fell thru the cracks | 19:22 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: the good news is the dvr folks are super helpful we can have a constructive discussion | 19:22 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: by the way, are you going to be going to the ops meetup next week? | 19:23 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: no i wish :-( | 19:23 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: u will probab be there ? | 19:23 |
| badveli | 19:23 | |
| sc68cal | SridarK: I will not :( | 19:24 |
| badveli | mickeys we had a spec for east west | 19:24 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: oh ouch - would have been great to have some discussion | 19:24 |
| badveli | firewalling | 19:24 |
| mickeys | I can sync up with regXboi who will be attending | 19:24 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: exactly - if someone is going, that'd be a huge help | 19:24 |
| badveli | i had worked on it some time back | 19:24 |
| sc68cal | I think I probably need to forward/cross-post that usecase e-mail to the ops list - I did forget to do that when I sent it the first time | 19:25 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i will ask around too if someone from my group at work is going | 19:25 |
| sc68cal | worst case, we'll have to see if we can get some ops feedback at the summit, or the next ops meetup during the mitaka cycle | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: thanks :) | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | I'll also start bugging vichoward, aveiga and company | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | call in some favors ;) | 19:26 |
| SridarK | I was hoping that between RAX, HP and possibly Walmart we can get some use cases pushed that they will be willing to deploy | 19:26 |
| vichoward | whowha? | 19:26 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: :-) | 19:27 |
| vichoward | just kidding yes we would love to help out | 19:27 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: be careful to see if ur cable bill will go up mysteriously ;-) | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: indeed - and I know xgerman will also get us info from the hp end :) | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: oh it already did ;) | 19:27 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:27 |
| vichoward | ;) | 19:28 |
| sc68cal | OK everyone, we've only got 2 minutes left - so we'll meet on the 19th worst case | 19:28 |
| sc68cal | keep an eye on the ML though if we find a good time for asia pacific, could try and squeeze it into next week | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | thank you everyone - very excited to be working with you all! | 19:30 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 | 19:30 |
| SridarK | Same here | 19:30 |
| hoangcx | sc68cal: +1 | 19:30 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 19:31:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-12-18.30.html | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-12-18.30.txt | 19:31 |
| SridarK | bye | 19:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-12-18.30.log.html | 19:31 |
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| badveli | good to see more help | 19:31 |
| badveli | bye | 19:31 |
| hoangcx | bye | 19:31 |
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| lhcheng | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 20:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhcheng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| lhcheng | anyone around to talk about horizon? | 20:00 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 20:00 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 20:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:00 |
| rhagarty | o/ | 20:01 |
| lhcheng | hello everyone | 20:01 |
| doug-fish | hi | 20:01 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle have a conflict | 20:01 |
| tqtran | [-__-]/ | 20:01 |
| mwhagedorn | hello | 20:01 |
| jwy | hi | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | nice tqtran! | 20:01 |
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| lhcheng | I'm going to host the meeting for today | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | It's a mutiny! | 20:01 |
| lhcheng | tqtran stepping it up | 20:01 |
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| * tqtran isn't here. | 20:02 | |
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| lhcheng | #topic Agenda | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:02 | |
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| lhcheng | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:02 |
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| lhcheng | just a quick update before we start the agenda | 20:03 |
| lhcheng | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HorizonDrivers | 20:03 |
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| lhcheng | BP review meeting to cut down the open BP we have in launchpad | 20:04 |
| lhcheng | we'll be having the meeting until we get into a sizeable amount | 20:04 |
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| jwy | oops, didn't realize there was a separate meeting for bps. i can take my bp off today's horizon meeting agenda | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | I'm putting together a list of angular bps for next week; ping me if you have an important one that has not been reviewed/ prioritised. | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | jwy: There may be time, so we can look over it anyway. The other meeting is just *specifically* for bps. This a general meeting. | 20:05 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: I see you already had an agenda for Aug 12? | 20:05 |
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| jwy | robcresswell: ok thanks | 20:06 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: was there a meeting happened today? | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | For this meeting? Yeah a couple of things, may I start? | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | The first horizon drivers meeting was earlier today. | 20:06 |
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| lhcheng | robcresswell: oh.. the time is 2000 UTC | 20:06 |
| lhcheng | :P | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | ha, so I have a couple of agenda items for this meeting too | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | okay | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | just one more update | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | django1.8 tests are now all passing | 20:07 |
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| lhcheng | I think the pending work is to cleanup the job for old django version | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | and start having django18 job | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | I think mrunge already have some patch up for that. | 20:08 |
| doug-fish | excellent! | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-3 | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | End of milestone-3 is coming up soon | 20:09 |
| ducttape_ | did DOA get tagged / released then as well? | 20:09 |
| ducttape_ | to support django1.8 | 20:09 |
| lhcheng | so if you have any critical bugs make sure it is tag for L-3 so we can prioritize it for reviews | 20:09 |
| rhagarty | lhcheng: what about normal patches? (non-bugs) | 20:10 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: there is a 1.3.1, but that doesn't include the django1.8 yet | 20:10 |
| lhcheng | #action david-lyle to tag DOA | 20:11 |
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| ducttape_ | yep, doa needs a new tag for sure, thanks lhcheng | 20:11 |
| lhcheng | it is easy to volunteer people when they're not around lol | 20:11 |
| ducttape_ | todo: dave should fix the bugs | 20:11 |
| lhcheng | rhagarty: is it a new feature? maybe you can add it in the meeting agenda for today? | 20:12 |
| ducttape_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184776/ is a bug I'd like fixed asap, its a fix not from me, but I really could use that patch vs carrying it locally | 20:12 |
| rhagarty | lhcheng: it's been around since Kilo-3... I will add | 20:13 |
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| lhcheng | rhagarty: ugh.. sorry about that.. add me as reviewer, I'll try to look at it | 20:13 |
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| lhcheng | ducttape_: sounds like to have for L, tag it too | 20:14 |
| rhagarty | thank you | 20:14 |
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| lhcheng | okay, I'm done with the updates | 20:14 |
| lhcheng | #topic Discuss desire for multiple overrides, temporary fixes and long term plans | 20:14 |
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| lhcheng | robcresswell o/ | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | First item is a small notice: There has been a big effort to make Horizon more "bootstrap compliant" for theming and responsive purposes. When adding new HTML/ CSS please attempt to use the bootstrap styling/ elements/ classes etc. where possible. Same when reviewing designs on invision, make sure to refer to the framework :) | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Oops, I'm messing up your agenda ordering :p | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Small notice aside, on to the topic | 20:15 |
| hurgleburgler | robcresswell +1 ! | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | A lot of Horizon plugins use overrides.py to make deeper customisations | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | with the customisation module | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | #undo | 20:16 |
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| lhcheng | #topoc Small notice about using Bootstrap components where possible | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | there you go | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | oops | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | ...redo? | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | I messed it up | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | #undo | 20:16 |
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| ducttape_ | goto: -5 minutes | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | #topic Discuss desire for multiple overrides, temporary fixes and long term plans | 20:16 |
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| hurgleburgler | lol | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | right | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | so | 20:17 |
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| robcresswell | Multiple customisation modules cannot work together, meaning multiple plugins is not viable | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | only when they both use overrides - right? | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | b/c I have like 3 or 4 plugins running right now, all working | 20:17 |
| rhagarty | correct | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Yes | 20:18 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: so that's when mixing overrides and pligins? | 20:18 |
| doug-fish | they must all be new panels/dashboards? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | So adding new panels is straightforward and fairly well supported. | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | But say two plugins want to override existing workflow steps | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | That cannot really be done, as the second plugin overrides the initial plugins overrides. | 20:18 |
| rhagarty | the last one to set 'customization_module' wins | 20:18 |
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| ducttape_ | are the enabled files going to remain python? they could move to just placing customization code in there | 20:19 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: oh..it does not apply on top of it? | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: As far as I am aware, we set a key in the Horizon config and it is overriden | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | I think of overrides as one / deployment... and not so much for plugin enablement | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Indeed | 20:20 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: I think the enabled files should eventually move to ini files, radomir had a patch up for that. | 20:20 |
| doug-fish | yes - I think letting openstack UI components use the overrides is not a good approach | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | But it still gets used for other features. For example, in our Cisco stuff, we customise Launch Instance and Firewalls. | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | ok. I'd say you still need some type of python plugin __init__.py or something | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | through overrides, currently. | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | So I was curious about more straightforward methods for customising things like workflows and tables. | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | rhagarty, could you discuss your use case too? | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | deployers will definitely use overrides to carry a lot of ugly patches in there, or at least I sure would. I'd vote to keep plugins from using that | 20:21 |
| doug-fish | ducttape_: agreed | 20:22 |
| doug-fish | I think we covered what this might look like for angular at the mid cycle meetup, right? | 20:22 |
| doug-fish | and tqtran captured it in a blueprint for us | 20:22 |
| rhagarty | so there is currently an alternative solution for plug-ins to use? | 20:23 |
| rhagarty | other than "overrides"? | 20:23 |
| doug-fish | no. not current. | 20:23 |
| lhcheng | add support to allow plugin to add their hooks/overrides | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | there is, but not documented | 20:23 |
| lhcheng | ? | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | If we move to ini formated plugin config files, I think that is the first decision. then we can move onto how to do this type of stuff | 20:23 |
| rhagarty | so short term can we just fix init to handle multiple overrides? | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | So overrides is not the solution, and I agree we should not use it, but I *think* we lack better options. | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | I don't think we want to add multiple overrides | 20:24 |
| rhagarty | manila_ui currently uses this | 20:25 |
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| ducttape_ | where is the code for this, maybe we can provide some other ideas ? | 20:25 |
| rhagarty | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/manila-ui/1.1.0 | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | thanks | 20:26 |
| rhagarty | I also have a plug-in that uses this, so if manila is installed, I'm out of luck | 20:26 |
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| ducttape_ | and I'd like to use manila eventually, but I wouldn't want it taking away my other overrides | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | but overrides.py is wrong another mechanism is necessary | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: +1 | 20:27 |
| rhagarty | we like the behavior it allows, but we just don't the overrides mechanism? | 20:28 |
| rhagarty | don't/don't like | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | the problem is that overrides allows *everything* in Horizon to be touched | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | we need an API | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | that can be somewhat stablized | 20:28 |
| ducttape_ | yep, so like the manila stuff changes quotas... it would be better to add a general api for extending quotas etc | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | otherwise we'll be perpetually breaking exensions | 20:29 |
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| mwhagedorn | does the oslo project have anything like this? | 20:29 |
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| mwhagedorn | tools to allow some sort of controlled monkey patching... | 20:30 |
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| doug-fish | I think that's an oxymoron - monkey patching isn't controlled ... by definition I think | 20:31 |
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| ducttape_ | they are pretty early on I think, in adding pluggable extensibility (I think) | 20:31 |
| mwhagedorn | true | 20:31 |
| mwhagedorn | you get my point though | 20:31 |
| mwhagedorn | has this been looked at before…. by others.. etc | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | this is the fine grained extensions we've been discussing | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | horizon is somewhat plugable, cinder is too I think.... lots of stuff have extension points, but they usually try to have a particular api to use | 20:32 |
| doug-fish | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angular-workflow-plugin | 20:32 |
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| doug-fish | I know jpomeroy has been experiementing with actually implementing that blueprint | 20:33 |
| doug-fish | and his initial experiments looks quite promising | 20:33 |
| lhcheng | mwhagedorn: there is stevedore in oslo, it is library for managing plugins | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | needs support outside angular too doug-fish | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | Would multiple overrides be bad as a temporary measure? I imagine at this point it is too late in the cycle to have a more cohesive system in place. For Liberty, would multiple overrides help? | 20:33 |
| doug-fish | outside angular? | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | or of no use to manila-ui | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: As in, workflows in python and angular need a plugin system. | 20:33 |
| doug-fish | yeah, I know. I think I'm funny. | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | ahh | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | I'm tired :) | 20:34 |
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| doug-fish | Wouldn't a similar mechanism be appropriate - a way to define explicit, needed extension points in Horizon | 20:34 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: if we support multiple overrides, we won't be able to remove again without breaking backward compatibility.. :P | 20:34 |
| ducttape_ | yeah, let's not go down that path | 20:34 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: no such thing as temporary | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | That is true, and not something I had considered. | 20:34 |
| ducttape_ | and what happens when you have multiple overrides, and order matter? | 20:34 |
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| robcresswell | ducttape_: explosions | 20:35 |
| ducttape_ | overrides are meant as a home to ugly code | 20:35 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: everything that goes in openstack, never comes out :p | 20:35 |
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| ducttape_ | which is needed, but let's not promote it too widely | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | sounds like table column addition/removal is desired as an extension point | 20:36 |
| rhagarty | and table/row actions | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | or table action addition/deletion | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | yup | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | so like for manila.... that entire overrides could go into a single __init__.py file and would still work ok | 20:36 |
| doug-fish | deletion? or strictly addition? | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, the main demands I've had is workflow steps and table columns. | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | well, if you are replacing functionality, I would imagine remove | 20:36 |
| lhcheng | table/column extension points - thought clu_ had some proposal about that before | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | but there's a question of how much power to give to plugins | 20:37 |
| ducttape_ | rhagarty - have you tried moving the overrides into https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/manila_ui/dashboards/project/shares/__init__.py ? | 20:37 |
| ducttape_ | and then removing your overrides altogether ? | 20:38 |
| rhagarty | ducttape_: no, but I will try that | 20:38 |
| rhagarty | ducttape_: remove my overrides? how does that help my plugin? | 20:38 |
| ducttape_ | b/c you don't need to use overrides, right? that is the problem, overrides will still be open then | 20:39 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_, rhagarty adding support for extending the quota might not be a bad idea, I imagine other services would also have the same requirements | 20:39 |
| rhagarty | sorry, my plug-in does use overrides | 20:39 |
| ducttape_ | that is fine, at least then manila would not allow it | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | not need it, I mean | 20:40 |
| rhagarty | gotchar | 20:40 |
| rhagarty | gotcha | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | lhcheng - yeah, you could redo the existing quotas page to be more plugable too | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | and use that as the proof point for this | 20:40 |
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| ducttape_ | I think most projects have the concept of quotas. limits if you are old | 20:41 |
| doug-fish | right - because this is going to break if another project want to monkey patch quotas https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/manila_ui/overrides.py#L187 .... or maybe even if we change quota code | 20:41 |
| * ducttape_ is old | 20:41 | |
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| * doug-fish is maybe jumping ahead a bit about what might break | 20:42 | |
| ducttape_ | I know designate also has quotas, we'd use that too... the extensible quotas thing. | 20:42 |
| rhagarty | will the final solution be based on adding hooks to every page? | 20:42 |
| ducttape_ | rhagarty - not every page, but certainly to common service type things | 20:43 |
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| ducttape_ | doug-fish - you are correct in your concern on how that might work when the quotas page changes | 20:43 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: so for short term plan, maybe the workaround from ducttape_ would work | 20:43 |
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| doug-fish | this is where multiple overrides for quota will break https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/manila_ui/overrides.py#L267 | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: Would you have time to add your init suggestion to the docs? | 20:43 |
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| lhcheng | robcresswell: and for long term, look at providing more extension points | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: beat me to it :) | 20:44 |
| doug-fish | there can be only one workflow class | 20:44 |
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| lhcheng | and don't recommend to operators to use the overrides in their plugin | 20:44 |
| rhagarty | or maybe leave the plug-in model alone and have some type of certification for plug-ins? | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | That sounds time consuming :/ | 20:45 |
| mwhagedorn | I am missing something.. how does the future existence of extention points help the use case of “pluginA and pluginB both want to mutate default behavior?" | 20:45 |
| ducttape_ | here is the thing for overrides: <operators place all your garbage in here/> | 20:45 |
| mwhagedorn | who wins? | 20:45 |
| mwhagedorn | last? | 20:45 |
| mwhagedorn | is that better? | 20:45 |
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| doug-fish | if there is an addQuotaStep mechanism we can all win | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | precisely | 20:46 |
| rhagarty | robcresswell: more work than adding entry points to all potential pages that may be extended? | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | rhagarty: Realistically it would be one piece of code replicated, like a mixin or something. It's not like every table in Horizon is unique. | 20:46 |
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| ducttape_ | right now with monkey patching and creative use of __init__.py etc... you could have two plugins modify the same thing, if they are both good citizens | 20:46 |
| ducttape_ | and if they are both lucky | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Whereas certifying plugins work puts another blocker on plugins, which we wanted to avoid in the first place, and takes a lot of time in understanding plugin code for cores (which we also wanted to avoid) | 20:47 |
| doug-fish | ducttape_: how could they both resolve this https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/manila_ui/overrides.py#L267 | 20:47 |
| ducttape_ | luck always helps | 20:47 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: it doesn't sounds like we can address all concerns now | 20:47 |
| lhcheng | *can't | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: No, agreed. It also sounds like people are resistant to the idea of multiple overrides, which is fine too. | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Just wanted to see what was suggested :) | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | doug-fish - hopefully they extend the base class, and the base class might be patched already... and you'd get the super and super versions | 20:48 |
| lhcheng | yup, at least we know something for the short term :) | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | If we could get the init ideas doc'd somewhere, that would be handy. | 20:48 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: 12 mins - ready to move to the next item? | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | I can add docs robcresswell | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Sure, go ahead lhcheng | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: Ah, awesome! | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Thanks! | 20:49 |
| lhcheng | cool | 20:49 |
| * ducttape_ not shure aboute my zpellings for docs | 20:49 | |
| lhcheng | #action ducttape_ to add init docs ideas | 20:49 |
| lhcheng | :) | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Well I spell everything with Britlish and get told off for it :( | 20:49 |
| lhcheng | #topic Small notice about using Bootstrap components where possible | 20:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Small notice about using Bootstrap components where possible (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:49 | |
| * robcresswell copy paste time | 20:50 | |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: you got 3 mins, to give some time to the other two items :) | 20:50 |
| * lhcheng bad at time management | 20:50 | |
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| robcresswell | pass it along, I mentioned it earlier, but for convenience at topic time: There has been a big effort to make Horizon more "bootstrap compliant" for theming and responsive purposes. When adding new HTML/ CSS please attempt to use the bootstrap styling/ elements/ classes etc. where possible. Same when reviewing designs on invision, make sure to refer to the framework :) | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | neeext. | 20:50 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: cool thanks for the reminder | 20:51 |
| lhcheng | #topic Add option for users to import images | 20:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add option for users to import images (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:51 | |
| lhcheng | jwy: o/ | 20:51 |
| jwy | here's the blueprint #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images | 20:51 |
| jwy | my colleague Sabari (smurugesan) had presented it at the glance midcycle summit and folks there were on board | 20:52 |
| jwy | i have some screenshots in there | 20:52 |
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| ducttape_ | how is this different from the current glance image from a url ? | 20:52 |
| jwy | basically, i want to put the existing images table in a tab and add a tab to show a table of glance tasks | 20:52 |
| jwy | it's a different way of creating images | 20:52 |
| jwy | there's some introspection done during the creation | 20:52 |
| lhcheng | jwy: would this require a new release of glanceclient? | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | jwy: If you get chance, fill out the bp a little more according to the template: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template | 20:53 |
| jwy | all the code for the glance side is already there, they just need support in horizon to allow users to use it | 20:53 |
| jwy | sure | 20:54 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: ++ | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | Makes it easier for us to review. | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | Thanks! | 20:54 |
| jwy | a question about making changes in the Create Image form - | 20:54 |
| ducttape_ | image management and importing, if this helps automate some of that it would be awesome. If we can make the user experience obvious of this mode vs the old mode that would be nice | 20:54 |
| jwy | there's a currently a "copy data" option, and in my screenshot, i've changed it to "import data" | 20:54 |
| jwy | the new way of image creation is preferred | 20:54 |
| jwy | do i need to keep the old option around? | 20:55 |
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| doug-fish | yes, please | 20:55 |
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| lhcheng | jwy: yes | 20:55 |
| ducttape_ | what happens when new horizon encounters an older version of glance? | 20:55 |
| doug-fish | I added that after getting a consumer requirement for it | 20:55 |
| jwy | doug-fish: that = ? | 20:56 |
| jwy | ducttape_: hm good question | 20:56 |
| jwy | how do we handle that normally in horizon, different client versions | 20:56 |
| doug-fish | that = "copy data" option, - I think you are saying this isn't just a rename of the same function, right? | 20:56 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: horizon should check if that extension is available or have a config to hide the import task by default | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | what did I miss ;) | 20:57 |
| ducttape_ | you might want to make a upload form that extends from the current form, and make a config file to switch between versions... or what lhcheng said | 20:57 |
| jwy | lhcheng: it's not an extension, though, a new api added in v2 of glanceclient | 20:57 |
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| lhcheng | I think we can discuss the implementation details | 20:57 |
| lhcheng | later | 20:57 |
| jwy | doug-fish: right, it would be replacing "copy data". i'll let users pick from "import" or "copy" then | 20:57 |
| lhcheng | this sounds good for L-3, it is not intrusive and just add new feature | 20:58 |
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| lhcheng | jwy: sorry have to move to last item | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | we already check for glance API version, so you can use that | 20:58 |
| doug-fish | jwy: doesn't that exclude the option to not import or copy? | 20:58 |
| lhcheng | #topic Added volume type description for volume type | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Added volume type description for volume type (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:58 | |
| rhagarty | I would appreciate any core reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133872/ | 20:59 |
| lhcheng | doug-fish, jway: we can continue the discussion on the horizon room | 20:59 |
| rhagarty | it's been out there since Kilo-3, but needed a cinder client | 20:59 |
| rhagarty | so it was held back till liberty | 20:59 |
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| lhcheng | rhagarty: is the cinderclient requirement bump available now? | 20:59 |
| rhagarty | anyway, hoping to get some core reviewers | 20:59 |
| rhagarty | lhcheng: yes, it is in Kilo | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | rhagarty: let's try to get it into L-3 | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | thanks | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | time's up | 21:00 |
| rhagarty | really appreciate it. | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | thanks everyone | 21:00 |
| rhagarty | bye | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 21:00:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-12-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all. Sorry for the time hog and topic confusion at the start. Poor organisation on my part, making it difficult for lhcheng :p | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-12-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-12-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks lhcheng! | 21:03 |
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