Tuesday, 2015-08-18

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pc_mhi16:01
vikram_hi16:01
AishHi16:01
pc_mwaiting for people to join...16:01
Ramanjaneyahi16:01
madhu_akhi16:02
ajmillerGood Morning16:02
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pc_mhi vikram_, Aish, Ramanjaneya, madhu_ak, and ajmiller16:02
pc_m#startmeeting vpnaas16:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 18 16:03:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas'16:03
pc_m#topic Announcements16:03
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pc_mIt looks like stable/kilo jobs are working now, as the q-vpn service has been enabled for older releases.16:03
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amotokicool. thanks for debugging the problem.16:04
pc_mThere are still more fixes being done, getting neutron to work, when adv svc plugins missing.16:04
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pc_mI still need to touch base with dougwig to find out what is left, but I think we are out of panic-mode :)16:05
pc_mThe local tunnel IP change has upstreamed.16:05
pc_mAnyone have other announces for the team?16:05
pc_mannouncements16:06
madhu_akyeah. waiting for dougwig to look my comments for gate jobs via infra16:06
madhu_ak#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211767/16:07
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pc_mThanks. I'll peek at it too.16:07
madhu_aklikewise, this one can be tested once the above goes in: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211768/16:07
madhu_akonce it is properly tested, #link, this one can test: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211381/16:08
madhu_akpc_m addressed your comments for migrating tempest dependancies16:09
pc_mOK. Will look back at them.16:09
madhu_ak#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211778/16:09
pc_mEveryone, this is to move API tests from neutron to VPN.16:09
pc_m#topic Devstack Plugin16:10
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pc_mI have a pair of commits, the first is to modify devstack to allow q-vpn or neutron-vpnaas as service names, and the second is to rename the devstack plugin to neutron-vpnaas16:10
pc_mFirst is upstream, second is out for reivew - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21325316:11
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pc_mCurrently, it works for tests, but we end up with two q-vpn agent processes running. This fixes that.16:11
pc_m#topic VPN Functional Tests for Neutron Commits16:12
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pc_mNo work on this. Been fighting fires on the devstack plugin. Will look at, later, once things calm down more.16:12
pc_m#topic Multiple Local Subnets on VPN connection16:13
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pc_mPlease look at the review of dev reference doc #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19194416:13
pc_mI've been working on implementation of an endpoint-group API, and have the create done. Will push out for early review soon, and will continue with rest of CRUD for that.16:14
pc_mJust implementing subnet, CIDR, and VLAN as group types for now. Others can be added later as needed.16:14
pc_m#topic Reviews and Bugs16:15
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pc_mTake a look at the open bugs and reviews and please help out. Reviews at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z16:16
skolekonovHi guys, I have a question16:16
pc_mFor many of these commits that involve infra changes, we need to get team/neutron core review, before having infra look at things, so any help in reviews is going to move things along smoother.16:17
pc_mskolekonov: sure16:17
skolekonovCould you please take a look at this bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1481329 ?16:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481329 in neutron "VPN agent works incorrectly with DVR on multinode setup" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Elena Ezhova (eezhova)16:17
skolekonovI want to clarify the situation around VPNaaS compatibility with DVR.16:17
pc_mskolekonov: Have you talked with DVR folks at all on this by any chance?16:17
pc_mskolekonov: May want to talk to carl_baldwin to see who could answer questions best.16:18
skolekonovNo, I haven't, but I've asked my question in openstack-dev - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071364.html16:18
pc_mskolekonov: My understanding was that VPN could only be used on the edge router.16:18
pc_mNorth/South router.16:19
pc_mskolekonov: Not sure if there is anything to prevent it from be used elsewhere.16:19
amotokiIs FIP associated when the problem occurs?16:20
pc_mskolekonov: Check with Carl or Maybe Brian Haley, as they can give you good direction on a DVR point of view.16:20
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skolekonovIt also seems like VPNaaS doesn't work when instances have floating IPs in DVR mode16:20
amotokianyway, it would be helpful you describe the detail on how to reproduce the problem.16:20
pc_mamotoki: +116:21
skolekonovI did it in email thread generally16:21
skolekonovso full compatibility with DVR is not on vpnass team roadmap, right?16:22
skolekonov*vpnaas, sorry16:22
amotoki#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071364.html16:23
Aishhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/213781/  is missed in the list pc_m posted before.  Both that and  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213819/1 are to include rally scenario tests for vpn. And are WIP. But any suggestions at this stage will be helpful. pc_m: I looked into your comments. Will be addressing them in my next patch.16:23
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pc_mskolekonov: So, if with DVR you have a router with a GW IP you cannot establish a VPN connection with another cloud?16:24
skolekonovpc_m, yep16:25
pc_mAish: You probably want to add a vpnaas tag to the reviews so that VPN team sees them.16:25
Aishsure will do. pc_m16:25
pc_mskolekonov: Don't know. Really haven't tried VPN with DVR at all. So, no, it is not on the roadmap.16:25
skolekonovpc_m, I see, thank you16:26
pc_mskolekonov: Would you like to champion that effort?16:26
amotokiany help is really welcome. no so many folks including me are running DVR :-(16:26
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skolekonovpc_m, Actually, I don't have much experience with OpenStack code, more with deployment part. So I'm not sure16:28
pc_mskolekonov: So I'd advise several things. One is to contact the DVR folks and ask them about the issue. You can contact them at the L3 meeting worst case.16:28
bharathskolekonov pc_m: Currently vpn works with DVR however getting it to work with FIP may be an issue16:29
pc_mTwo is to see if there is community interest in providing that type of capability. We need someone to step up to want to drive that effort.16:29
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pc_mbharath: thanks. SO may be an issue with the implementation.16:30
pc_musing FIPs.16:30
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pc_mskolekonov: Getting back to what amotoki mentioned. It may help to write up the exact scenario/topology that you are trying so that people can look at the issue.16:31
pc_mhelpful16:31
bharathIndeed pc_m. In the case of DVR, as the snat is made a separate namespace from qrouter, the router gateway IFace sits in the former namespace and thus VPN is configured in SNAT16:32
skolekonovpc_m, I'll add details to the thread16:33
pc_mskolekonov: thanks16:33
pc_mbharath: Good info!16:33
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pc_mAre there any other bugs/reviews that people want to highlight in the meeting?16:34
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pc_m#topic Open Discussion16:35
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ajmillerI have an open discussion item.16:35
pc_majmiller: good timing :)16:35
pc_majmiller: go ahead16:36
ajmillerWe have been doing a security review for our deployment of Openstack, and have found a couple of possible issues with VPNaaS16:36
pc_m:(16:36
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ajmillerthe 'ipsec' processes are running as root. and thus we are concerned that this introduces the first case of a single vulnerability enabling a remote root exploit of the network services nodes.16:36
ajmillerWe have been trying to ensure that two vulnerabilities are necessary to enable a remote root exploit. Why does pluto run as root? Is there a way to run pluto as a non-root user?16:37
ajmillerThe concern is that this is an outward-facing service, so if someone could exploit a vulnerability in pluto, they are running free in the control plane node.16:38
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amotokias far as i understand, there is no specific reason to run pluto as root. it is just because we need root to run 'ip netns exec'.16:39
amotokiwe can improve the command line.16:39
bryan_so a better design is to oinly run as root the small bit that needs root access, and call that from the bulk of the code running as non-root.16:40
pc_majmiller: Don't know for sure.16:40
bryan_I work with ajmiller at HP.16:40
ajmilleramotoki, yes, and we should be able to use "rootwrap" or somesuch to do that?16:40
bryan_yes, there are many solutions16:40
amotokithough I haven't investigated...16:40
bryan_since neutron, nove, glance, swift, and everything else I can find run as their own users, I feel strongly that ipsec pluto should also16:41
pc_mit is currently using rootwrap.16:41
ajmillerok16:41
bryan_why, if it is running as root, does it need rootwrap?16:41
pc_mbryan_: Neutron doesn't use rootwrap at all?16:41
bryan_I don't know, but the processes run as non-root users16:42
bryan_that is, the processes I can find with ps16:42
amotokiI think metadata-proxy is run as non-root now (previously as root)16:42
bryan_There may be ephemeral processes running as root I don't see in the ps output.16:42
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amotokiso we can take a similar approach for pluto.16:42
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bryan_I think so.16:43
ajmilleramotoki, so if we look at metadata-proxy we might be able to find some history and/or guidance?16:43
pc_mOnly speculating, but I think it runs rootwrap daemon to setup namespace and then invokes the oswan process.16:43
bryan_so oswan process must run as root for VPNaaS to work?16:43
bryan_It is the "small bit" that needs root access?16:44
amotokiajmiller: i think so.16:44
bryan_ok, so has any special review been done on that code?  This is the first time we're running as root an listening on an untrusted network16:44
bryan_I think16:44
bryan_so we've created a prime attack target, we need to ensure it is adequately defended16:45
pc_mbryan_: I don't know if it is needed to work. I'm just saying that is what it does, from what I recall.16:45
bryan_OK, so we should detemrine if it is needed.  If not lose it; if so harden it16:45
amotokifrom the point of security vulnerabilty process, if you have potential concern, you can file a bug in a private mode.16:47
pc_mbryan_: yes. I wasn't involved in the original effort, so I don't know why all the root access is done.16:47
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bryan_who was?  I'd like to talk with them, maybe there is a good reason16:48
bryan_maybe it's just an oversight16:48
pc_mNachi Ueno.16:48
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bryan_I want to at least ask the question.16:48
bryan_thank you16:48
pc_mNot sure if he is involved much in OS any more.16:48
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ajmillerI can probably test running the ipsec process as non-root in a test env.16:48
bryan_hey, things follw me around forever, so I'll ask him.16:48
pc_majmiller: That would be nice.16:49
amotokiI don't have a exact link, but I believe you can find an option "security bug" or private when reporting a bug.16:49
bryan_yeah, maybe it just works.16:49
ajmilleramotoki thanks16:49
bryan_In any case, we'll find out what breaks and know how the design might be changed16:49
pc_mI think we need to create a namespace for the config files, and then run the process.16:49
amotokibut note that openstack security ml can be subscribed by anyonne interested in, so it is not perfect.16:50
pc_mI'd imagine the namespace create is a root action.16:50
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ajmillerpc_m it is16:50
pc_mAlso there is some subtle difference between OSwan and SSwan.16:50
ajmillerpc_m that brings up a question I have.  Is the future with SSwan?16:50
pc_mThey do some extra steps in SSwan (which I don't fully understand).16:51
pc_majmiller: yes16:51
ajmillerok, thanks16:51
pc_mOSwan will not be supported in Ubuntu (15.10+ or something like that).16:51
pc_mNow Fedora and others support SSwan (or Libraswan), so it'll be the new reference impl in the future.16:51
ajmillergot it16:52
pc_mYou can look in the device drivers for the rootwrap stuff going on.16:52
pc_mThat's one area I never dug into (or wanted to :)16:52
ajmillerI'm only vaguely familiar with that.16:53
pc_mMy understand is that the VPN is handled in the kernel, so I don't know if these processes need to run as root to configure/control.16:53
bryan_al, I can help look into this if you like16:54
pc_mIOW I think pluto just controls the VPN implementation that is running in the kernel.16:54
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pc_mWould be interested in hearing what you guys find out.16:54
bryan_is pluto getting traffic from the network?16:55
ajmillerpc_m, bryan_ and I will look into thi16:55
amotoki /fyi/ re: security vulnerabilty namanagement process, this page describes the process and so on: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vulnerability_Management    I think "Process" link is the entry point.16:55
ajmillerthis16:55
pc_m#action ajmiller to try using VPN w/o root mode - bryan_ to help16:55
pc_mamotoki: thanks16:55
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amotokianyway I agree we should run any process or command with non-root user as possible as we can.16:56
pc_mThanks for looking into this ajmiller and bryan_!16:56
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amotokithanks too16:57
bryan_you are welcome.  We'll let you know what we find.16:57
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pc_mLooks like we're just about out of time. Anything else?16:57
ajmillerthats it for me.16:57
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pc_mThanks for joining in everyone!16:57
pc_m#endmeeting16:57
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 18 19:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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briancurtinif you're here for the SDK, say hi19:00
etoewso/19:00
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briancurtinterrylhowe: you around?19:03
terrylhoweo/19:03
briancurtin#topic Release 0.6.219:03
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terrylhoweI have a meeting I need to attend, so I need to cut out early today19:04
briancurtinterrylhowe: cool, just say when, this is front-loaded with more important stuff first anyway19:04
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briancurtini think there's two things to merge and then we should go on with 0.6.2. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213247/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213278/ (latter depends on former)19:05
briancurtinat that point, we'll be able to talk about plugins and actually create objects, so the promotional wheels can start spinning more19:05
* etoews looks19:05
briancurtinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1474478 is proving to be oddly difficult for some reason, so if that's ready when those two go in, great, otherwise it just gets released when it's fixed19:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1474478 in OpenStack SDK "Why doesn't create update all attributes" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Curtin (brian.curtin)19:06
terrylhoweI was just messing with 213247 before the meeting19:06
terrylhowebinary_type is str for py2x19:06
briancurtinin that create-all-attrs bug, there's a failing test that obj["enabled"] is somehow false, but obj.enabled is true19:07
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briancurtinterrylhowe: that's why i make the extra attempt to decode to ascii -- if we just skip on all binary_type then on 2.x nearly everything would be dropped (including auth args, which would kind of suck)19:08
terrylhoweyeh, my only thought was to use text_type instead or something19:08
briancurtini think the way i did it will make it so only truly binary data, like that in create_object and uploading images, gets ignored19:08
etoewsbriancurtin: regarding logging data. i think we just shouldn't log data at all, regardless of whether or not it's text19:08
terrylhoweI really don’t have a complete thought on it19:08
briancurtinterrylhowe: i had started with text_type, and that would serve more of what etoews just said19:09
terrylhoweLogging data is extremely useful for debugging19:09
terrylhowemaybe logging data should be disabled in special cases like object and image upload19:10
briancurtini would like to be able to log reasonable data being sent. really it only ends up being the auth args that are binary data that is decodeable to ascii (in almost all cases)19:10
briancurtinterrylhowe: that's effectively what the current change does, although more of an indirect way19:10
terrylhowelike I said, I don’t have a complete thought on this, but I was wondering about unicode strings19:10
briancurtinunicode would go through just fine19:10
briancurtinthe hard thing about text_type is that it's str on 3 and unicode on 2, and i think there are zero cases where we're sending unicode anywhere in 2, so the logs serve very different purposes then on 2 and 319:11
terrylhowemadarin characters for example19:11
etoewsignore what i said, i incorrectly thought the data arg was always binary.19:13
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briancurtinterrylhowe: where would mandarin characters come in, what version of python, and where/how are they being sent? if they're auth creds, they just won't be logged here since they can't be decoded to ascii, so we avoid blowing up19:13
terrylhowesay a resource description or name19:13
terrylhoweanyway, we could leave that for the future.  I like the change just have questions19:14
etoewsspeaking of that logging code, i notice that we log messages in 2 different ways there.19:15
briancurtinterrylhowe: yeah, the thing i don't really like about the change as it is, is that there's no tests for writing logs. we should certainly have them, and again i don't really like proposing the change without them, but i did some manual tests on both 2 and 3 with an example script I'm going to use to show how things work and it worked on both19:15
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briancurtinetoews: what do you mean?19:16
etoewsthere's _logger.debug("%s" % variable) and _logger.debug("%s", variable)19:17
briancurtinetoews: the second way does the first way for you behind the scenes. the second way is the more usual one19:18
etoewsi'm just curious if there was some reason it was being done 2 different ways19:18
briancurtindebug's signature is like (msg, *args) and then it does the msg % args19:18
briancurtinetoews: probably not. perhaps came from copy/pasting something in, or just not knowing that the logger does it for you19:19
etoews(it actually makes a difference when it comes to filtering log messages)19:19
terrylhoweperformance wise debug(“%s”, variable) is probably faster19:20
etoewsalright, well i'll make it consistent in the anonimizing patch.19:20
briancurtinso in general, is this current log-writing patch ok for the moment for 0.6.2, with a followup for things like mandarin and whatnot...or do that all now?19:23
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terrylhoweI wanted to bring it up in case you knew an easy way to resolve that.  I’m fine ascii only for now.19:24
etoewssgtm19:24
briancurtinterrylhowe: i don't have a great one right now, but it is something we should support and have covered in testing19:24
terrylhowethe method is just logging, but kidn of important to me, so testing would be awesome19:25
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terrylhoweI’ll finish looking at those two by tomorrow morning19:26
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terrylhoweI’ve got to run in a few minutes19:26
briancurtinterrylhowe: yep, it's important overall. won't be too hard to test, just a bunch of mocks for stream and file, then send in various types of data and make sure it writes what we expect and/or doesn't blow up19:26
briancurtinterrylhowe: cool, thanks for stopping by19:26
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briancurtinetoews: so for enabling the anon filter stuff, I'm thinking a good entry point for that might be an addition the the Profile class -- say a Profile.anonymous_logs attr -- and then when a Connection is created with a Profile that sets it, we can pass something through to Transport to add the filter. that might be forward looking enough for the upcoming ksa19:33
briancurtinstuff without being too much of a burden19:33
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etoewslemme look. i had considered a couple of other options and that wasn't one of them yet.19:34
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briancurtinProfile probably then also has to grow something to know whether or not you want logs enabled, as a small front-end to utils.enable_logging, but that would end up passing through nicely19:34
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etoewsright. if that's the case, does it even make sense to have utils.enable_logging anymore?19:37
etoewsmaybe it becomes a private method on Profile?19:37
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briancurtinetoews: it can maybe just be moved as-is into the Profile class, public and all since you still want to give the flexibility with the arguments we currently take19:38
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briancurtinand actually at that point, maybe anonymize=bool becomes an arg to that method19:39
etoewsmaybe it becomes set_logging(buncha args) though?19:40
briancurtini would probably keep it enable_logging since it's purpose is enabling logging in some way19:40
etoewsand it's not you would ever get_logging...so set_logging doesn't make so much sense. i was just thinking consistency wise but i don't think it applies here.19:42
etoewsi'll play around with that a bit.19:43
briancurtinyep. set fits the others but not this19:43
briancurtincool19:43
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etoewsit's weird to me that from_config instansiates profile twice19:45
briancurtinetoews: yeah i think there can be some refactoring there as the services= list comprehension is duplicated as well19:48
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etoewsseems like a pretty straight-forward refactoring too19:50
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