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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 01:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyone home for the install guide meeting? | 01:01 |
| * fifieldt waves | 01:01 | |
| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 01:01 |
| * fifieldt tips hat | 01:01 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | welp, lets get this party started | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | is this still under "docteam" ? | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems kind of weird | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | #startmeeting docinstallteam | 01:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 01:03:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docinstallteam' | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think thats it | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | first thing - meeting time, actually date | 01:03 |
| fifieldt | matches http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/ | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | in liberty, the apac and us meeting were swapped so that the apac general docs meeting (30 minutes before now) wouldn't conflict | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suggest we swap these meetings back | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | if nothing else, respond to the existing ML thread | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | any thoughts? | 01:05 |
| bmoss | I think that makes sense, so long as it doesn't conflict for anyone else. | 01:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | well yeah | 01:05 |
| bmoss | Current: | 01:05 |
| bmoss | Every two weeks (on even weeks) on Wednesday at 0100 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3 | 01:05 |
| bmoss | Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Tuesday at 1300 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3 | 01:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | hence why it'd go to the list. probably just an oversight. | 01:05 |
| bmoss | so swap the even and odd weeks there | 01:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, christian instead of me would be chairing thee first meeting for mitaka :) | 01:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | #action suggest week swap on existing mailing list thread | 01:06 |
| bmoss | I'll respond to the ML. If anyone else wants to pile on with an opinion, that's good too. | 01:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | err, #topic meeting time | 01:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic meeting time | 01:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting time (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:06 | |
| Sam-I-Am | #action suggest week swap on existing mailing list thread | 01:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | my brain hurts | 01:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | moving on? | 01:07 |
| bmoss | yep | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241320/ | 01:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241320/ (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:07 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm on the fence about such things for reasons described in the patch | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | long story short, we see a lot of people doing first installs in VMs, but supporting a specific semi-commercial hypervisor and then having to test the guide using it in addition to bare metal... lots of overhead. | 01:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | content is good, but content in the install guide needs a lot of love to keep it working | 01:09 |
| bmoss | could we make this an appendix or something? I.e. make it seem less official, but keep it as information that might help some people get going? | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | then comes questions like which version of virtualbox do we support and how do we deal with virtualbox problems? | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure, except it'll go stale | 01:09 |
| fifieldt | I like it as an appendix, if it can be kept up to date | 01:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | this might be different if we had some people willing to maintain and test it every cycle... along with triaging bugs | 01:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'd also have to ask questions in bugs like "is this on a vm?" | 01:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | unless the issue was obvious | 01:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything else? | 01:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | do we need to take this to the list? | 01:11 |
| fifieldt | I thought the purpose of this patch was to show how to setup the basic vms/nets for the hypervisor, ya? | 01:11 |
| bmoss | I wonder if we can get some stats about where people install using the Install Guide | 01:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | it is | 01:11 |
| fifieldt | it's something that you kinda follow first if you need a bit of help | 01:12 |
| fifieldt | but after that it's all install guide | 01:12 |
| fifieldt | so I'm not sure it would lead to "is this on a vm?" bugs? | 01:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, thats why i liked our generic hypervisor comments... "you may need to do these things to your hypervisor... its up to you to figure out the details" | 01:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | vs "heres how you do this on virtualbox" which leads to "i did X on virtualbox, and my stuff isnt working" | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | and since we 'support' it, we have the burden of triaging the bug or supporting something thats not openstack | 01:13 |
| fifieldt | naw, I don't think that changes our triage | 01:13 |
| fifieldt | we'd still send those folks to virtualbox for help | 01:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we'll still need testers and maintainers, and probably some limit on versions that work | 01:14 |
| fifieldt | perhaps a few more links to virtualbox docs from the proposed patch would be good? | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | and concerned about translating screen shots | 01:14 |
| fifieldt | yeah, I think the screenshots could go away | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | except there's really no other way to show how you configure vbox | 01:15 |
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| fifieldt | except words :P | 01:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | other option is trying to provide pre-configured files | 01:15 |
| fifieldt | the patch doesn't seem terribly unmaintainable | 01:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | if such a thing exists | 01:15 |
| fifieldt | oh yeah, that totally exists for KVM | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | in kvm, that'd be ab xml file | 01:16 |
| fifieldt | ya | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | an | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, if were supporting vbox, does that mean we also need to support kvm and vmware? | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | those are the main three i see people using | 01:16 |
| fifieldt | I think that depends on people who want to write and maintain 'em ;) | 01:16 |
| fifieldt | this is a "nice to have" | 01:17 |
| bmoss | This sounds like something that needs more discussion on the ML. Sam-I-Am, do you mind starting the discussion with your reservations? | 01:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | alright... so.... | 01:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. my reservations are in the patch comments too. | 01:18 |
| bmoss | good point. Then maybe just a short email pointing to the patch? | 01:18 |
| fifieldt | sounds good to me | 01:18 |
| bmoss | see if we can get some more eyes on it | 01:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 01:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #action place issue on mailing list for a wider audience | 01:18 |
| fifieldt | it might be that this should just live somewhere more rough and ready :) | 01:19 |
| fifieldt | could consider asking osops | 01:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | osops? | 01:19 |
| fifieldt | the loose collective of ops doing interesting things :) | 01:20 |
| fifieldt | they have config snippets, scripts etc at the moment | 01:20 |
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| fifieldt | doc snippets could be of interest, but *shrug* | 01:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | want to take that on? | 01:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | get your feet wet agai with docs? :) | 01:20 |
| fifieldt | hehe :) sadly I can't commit time for this | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | sleep less? | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, moving on | 01:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic liberty status | 01:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty status (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:22 | |
| Sam-I-Am | another wave of annoying but easy to fix bugs came in over the last week or so. i just triaged a bunch and we should try to get to as many as we can prior to the stable/liberty cut in a few days. | 01:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | most of these issues seem related to packaging, so its easier to add workarounds than solve them the right way, but we should also open parallel bugs for the packages | 01:24 |
| bmoss | I'm starting to have adverse reactions to the word 'packages' | 01:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | sounds about right | 01:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | for all that the install guide does for packagers, you'd think we would have some hotline to them when we come across a problem | 01:25 |
| bmoss | not the worst idea | 01:25 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 01:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far it hasnt happened | 01:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | and we've asked, many times | 01:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ubuntu has gotten a bit better | 01:26 |
| bmoss | but yeah, let's try to get those done. I'll take a look at the list today. Maybe also advertise on the ML? In the context of getting it done before the cut? | 01:26 |
| loquacities | i've got a draft in my email of what a source install would look like | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: phil's thing? | 01:26 |
| loquacities | yeah | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a potentially viable option to analyze further | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | it fixes one thing at the expense of others | 01:26 |
| loquacities | i liked anne's idea of doing an A/B test | 01:26 |
| loquacities | yeah, no option is foolproof | 01:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | if anything, it would be added to the existing guide | 01:27 |
| bmoss | could be worth doing the A/B | 01:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | rather than replace | 01:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | see how many takers we get. but even to get to that level requires testing and maintenance | 01:27 |
| bmoss | loquacities, how much effort do you think it would take to put the source install bit together? | 01:27 |
| loquacities | i haven't looked that closely yet | 01:27 |
| loquacities | the guide he sent me looks more or less complete as it stands, though | 01:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | source installs have come up for almost as long as i've been here. we get some initial content, but no ones willing to test/maintain it. | 01:28 |
| fifieldt | hard to get maintainers for something that few use :( | 01:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, i'd hope people would see the light about source | 01:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyway, not really enough quorum here to decide anything | 01:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | another mailing list thread i guess | 01:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | or more of these meetings | 01:30 |
| fifieldt | just not how the vast majority are doing their infrastructure, and therefore not a good learning experience :) | 01:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | kind of surprised people are using upstream packages | 01:30 |
| fifieldt | those who are advanced enough to work with source use it to make their own packages :) | 01:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats what i figured | 01:31 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 01:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the ultimate source is... source | 01:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | not packages from the distros | 01:31 |
| fifieldt | feel the source, luke | 01:31 |
| bmoss | tautology FTW! | 01:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, this drifted a bit off-topic... | 01:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic debian version of the installation guide | 01:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "debian version of the installation guide (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:32 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | long story short, not going to be ready for liberty... and some of the patches going in are inadvertently breaking other distros that we've validated. | 01:32 |
| fifieldt | damn :| | 01:32 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's messy | 01:32 |
| loquacities | but there's action, so unwilling to discourage it | 01:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i suggest we bump these patches until after the stable/liberty cut | 01:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | meanwhile i still have some things to fix from one or two that did make it in | 01:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | that was easy | 01:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic bug triage process | 01:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage process (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:33 | |
| Sam-I-Am | just a reminder... please only patch triaged bugs. if you're triaging bugs, make sure you can verify the problem somewhere. most of the bugs we see are not actual bugs, but they get "fixed" and break the guide. | 01:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | along those lines... if you're doing a patch review and it adds/changes/modifies/deletes conditionals, make sure the patch doesn't inadvertently mess up rendering of content for other distros | 01:35 |
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| bmoss | Andreas sent a timely reminder to the ML about that. | 01:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | we've taken great leaps to make content less distro-specific, but debian insists on using debconf and that's causing a lot of problems to come back | 01:36 |
| bmoss | tbh, not checking the rendered output is a not uncommon problem. | 01:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. and the install guide is unique in that respect. | 01:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you're not used to it, you dont do it | 01:36 |
| bmoss | yep. Gotta check all the versions! | 01:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 01:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | last topic | 01:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic update the wiki page | 01:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update the wiki page (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:37 | |
| Sam-I-Am | apparently this needs an update | 01:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuide | 01:37 |
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| bmoss | yeah, it is just a bit out of date now. | 01:38 |
| bmoss | I can fix it up. | 01:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll just assign it to christian since he's not here | 01:38 |
| fifieldt | :D | 01:38 |
| bmoss | ha! | 01:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | or you :) | 01:38 |
| bmoss | I've heard fifieldt has a lot of free time. | 01:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | he does | 01:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic open discussion | 01:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 01:39 | |
| fifieldt | so very much | 01:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything else? | 01:39 |
| bmoss | #action bmoss to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuide | 01:39 |
| bmoss | nope. I'm good. | 01:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, time to go drink some tabasco for this fever | 01:40 |
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| fifieldt | nice | 01:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | burn it out! | 01:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks everyone | 01:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | #endmeeting | 01:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 01:41:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-11-01.03.html | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-11-01.03.txt | 01:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-11-01.03.log.html | 01:41 |
| bmoss | thanks all. Catch ya later. | 01:41 |
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| vnyyad | can we have a round of intro from all our participants | 06:33 |
| dedery | Great to be here | 06:33 |
| elady | Hi all, Elad Yosef from ALU | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | i am vinay from Ericsson | 06:34 |
| dedery | I'm David Edery from CloudBand ALU | 06:34 |
| ktatsuro | Hi , I'm Tatsuro Kimura from NTT@japan | 06:34 |
| Kaz | I'm Kazuhiro Suzuki from Fujitsu Laboratories. | 06:35 |
| tamar | Tamar Inbar-Shelach from ALU | 06:35 |
| soichi | Hi!, I'm Soichi from Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Japan. | 06:35 |
| irenab | Hi, I’m Irena from Midokura | 06:35 |
| yamamoto | yamamoto from midokura | 06:35 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: anil_rao: can you #startmeeting? | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | Hi, This is Anil from Gigamon (Santa Clara, California) | 06:35 |
| ryu_ishimoto | ryu from Midokura | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | #startmeeting | 06:35 |
| openstack | vnyyad: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | #startmeeting Tap as a Service Meeting | 06:36 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 06:36:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:36 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:36 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tap_as_a_service_meeting' | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | started now | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | so lets dive into the agenda | 06:37 |
| vnyyad | i guess we got the intro from all present now | 06:37 |
| vnyyad | next up the status of the project | 06:37 |
| anil_rao | Its great to see all the new folks. Welcome to TaaS :) | 06:37 |
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| vnyyad | i guess most of you were in the tokyo summit are appraised of the status | 06:39 |
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| anil_rao | At the summit we entered serveral immediate work items into etherpad | 06:40 |
| elady | Please sync, on current status | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-unplugged-track (see Tap-as-a-Service) | 06:41 |
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| amotoki | is this the meeting agenda? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 06:42 |
| vnyyad | amotoki: yes it is | 06:42 |
| amotoki | vnyyad: thanks | 06:43 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas Agenda | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | We currently have a basic version of TaaS with core features of port mirroring on a OVS switch implemented | 06:44 |
| vnyyad | Thanks to contributions from yamamoto in the recent months we have some unit test cases for TaaS | 06:45 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: could you give a short description of the work you and others have added to TaaS recently | 06:47 |
| yamamoto | i added unit tests for plugin. someone needs to write tests for agent-side. | 06:48 |
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| vnyyad | ok | 06:48 |
| yamamoto | i have halfly baked devstack plugin. i think i will finish it in near future. | 06:48 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: thanks | 06:48 |
| vnyyad | i guess the list prepared in the tokyo summit server as a good next step for TaaS (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-unplugged-track) | 06:49 |
| vnyyad | i guess we need to prioritize the activities in that | 06:50 |
| dedery_ | as i recall, the number one priority was to get into Neutron's big-tent (thus be in the safe zone from breakage) | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | Agree | 06:51 |
| vnyyad | i agree | 06:51 |
| ktatsuro | +1 | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | We have some items identified under 'Big Tent requirements' section | 06:52 |
| vnyyad | Devstack automation | 06:52 |
| amotoki | +1. In addition, from the point of view of subproject management, it is better to have a portal doc/wiki page. | 06:52 |
| amotoki | I am not sure all attendees to this meeting are aware of all resources (urls) or not. | 06:53 |
| amotoki | sorry for interruptiing. please go ahead | 06:54 |
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| vnyyad | amotoki: will add creation of wiki page to the todo list | 06:54 |
| amotoki | vnyyad: sounds perfect | 06:54 |
| yamamoto | i don't think wiki is a good idea. it's better to concentrate to in-tree doc. | 06:55 |
| vnyyad | next this for Big Tent req is the automated testing | 06:55 |
| yamamoto | i can write skeleton tempest plugin so that others can write actual tests. | 06:56 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: this will be good, i guess we can all pitch in with writing the test cases | 06:57 |
| vnyyad | thanks | 06:57 |
| yamamoto | and we need agent coverage of unit tests. any takers? | 06:57 |
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| dedery_ | i can take. what kind of tests? | 06:58 |
| dedery_ | at Tokyo we've talked about static analysis of the generated flows | 06:59 |
| dedery_ | which i assume should be part of the agent tests (since its the one settings the flows) isn't it? | 06:59 |
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| yamamoto | i was talking about unit tests. i'm not sure about static flow analysis. | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | The actual flows are programmed into OVS by the TaaS driver | 07:01 |
| vnyyad | and tass driver is invoked by the agent | 07:01 |
| elady | I can take the API checks | 07:02 |
| vnyyad | elday: thanks | 07:02 |
| dedery_ | I can take the unit tests | 07:03 |
| vnyyad | I can help out in that as well | 07:03 |
| elady | E2E tests ? later? | 07:04 |
| tamar | I'd like to help with the E2E | 07:04 |
| dedery_ | E2E should be part of the tempest/API tests no? (same context) | 07:05 |
| reedip | I would also like to help out with the Unit test cases | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | it doesn't need to be, but i think tempest is the best choice at this point. | 07:06 |
| vnyyad | thanks dedery_ and reedip | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | I feel there are a few items that we should also be considering as an immediate goal in addition to the tests | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | Two of these are: ensuring basic error handling and restoring flows upon TaaS agent restart | 07:08 |
| anil_rao | Nothing covering these often leads to bad situations in case a node dies | 07:09 |
| vnyyad | i can take the error handling part | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | i'll look into restoring the flows | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | As a background activity we should also be discussing 'resource reservation' so that we can take this up with the core Neutron team | 07:10 |
| anil_rao | I think that is necesary in order to come under the Big Tent | 07:10 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: i agree | 07:11 |
| vnyyad | was there some discussion around this with the core (formally or otherwise) with the cores? | 07:11 |
| vnyyad | at the summit | 07:11 |
| anil_rao | i did get a chance to briefly discuss this with Armando | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | His take was that this is a problem seen by a few other projects outside of just TaaS. We might have to have a discussion on this in the main | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | Neutron mailing list of in the Neutron IRC chat. | 07:12 |
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| vnyyad | ok | 07:13 |
| vnyyad | i guess we can first take a call on how this should be done and then take the discussion with the cores... any thoughts | 07:13 |
| anil_rao | The current code essentially disables 'anti arp spoofing'. We'll have to co-ordinate OVS table entries to ensure that both projects work well together. | 07:13 |
| elady | In the summit we talked about using "on demand allocation" of resources and also alternative option of using MPLS encapsulation. | 07:13 |
| elady | the "on demand" should be easy, I haven't got to investigate the MPLS thing | 07:14 |
| elady | but the idea is to encapsulate the mirrored traffic in the same manner SFC does | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | we must however be careful to preseve the isolation guaratees of mirrored traffic (not only from production traffic but other TaaS service instances) | 07:15 |
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| anil_rao | In my opinion whichever way we proceed we'll need to co-ordinate with other projects to ensure that mirrored traffic is not visible to anyone outside the destination port of a TaaS service instance | 07:16 |
| soichi | i agree | 07:16 |
| elady | agree | 07:16 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 07:16 |
| ktatsuro | +1 | 07:17 |
| vnyyad | anil: should we have this resolved before we get into the Big Tent | 07:17 |
| amotoki | more generally speaking, we need to define the order of applying various services: SFC, TaaS, QoS, ... | 07:17 |
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| amotoki | the same topic was raised in the context of SFC disucssion. | 07:18 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:18 |
| elady | +1 | 07:18 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: We need to discuss this as a group and make a proposal that we can present to the Neutron core team. | 07:18 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: i agree | 07:18 |
| anil_rao | We don't need to have it all implemented rightaway but I feel that this question will come up when a decision to include TaaS in the big tent is being made | 07:19 |
| vnyyad | yes | 07:19 |
| anil_rao | Armando had mentioned to me that this issue was being faced by several other projects such as kuryer, SFC, IP networks, etc. | 07:20 |
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| vnyyad | do we need to coordinate or atleast watch out for the approaches they take? | 07:21 |
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| anil_rao | Yes, we should be watching activity around this on the core Neutron mailing list and IRC channels | 07:21 |
| vnyyad | ok | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | i guess we have enough activities to get started on targeting the Big Tent | 07:22 |
| anil_rao | Yes :) | 07:22 |
| dedery_ | looks like it :) | 07:23 |
| dedery_ | i'd like to address the blueprint at some point if it's possible | 07:23 |
| vnyyad | dedery_: sure | 07:24 |
| vnyyad | just to be sure can everyone who took up some activity repeat what they will look into | 07:25 |
| dedery_ | adding unit tests | 07:25 |
| vnyyad | Error handling | 07:25 |
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| yamamoto | devstack and tempest plugin | 07:25 |
| anil_rao | Restore flows upon Agent restart | 07:25 |
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| vnyyad | ok then we can get going on these onces to start with | 07:27 |
| vnyyad | anything else to be discussed today | 07:28 |
| dedery_ | there was another task which we've talked about but it's not mentioned in etherpad - the "productization" of the agent and plugin (making it a service and not a manual script if i recall. anil_rao do you remember?) | 07:28 |
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| anil_rao | Yes. | 07:29 |
| yamamoto | "service" in which sense? | 07:29 |
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| anil_rao | We essentially need the TaaS agent to get launched automatically | 07:29 |
| anil_rao | It is currently started manually from a shell script | 07:30 |
| vnyyad | haa ok yes | 07:30 |
| yamamoto | my impression is that taas agent should be turned into an agent extension driver eventually. | 07:31 |
| anil_rao | I can look into this | 07:31 |
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| anil_rao | I guess we are out of time. | 07:32 |
| vnyyad | yes | 07:32 |
| dedery_ | yeh, i'll keep my blueprint questions for next time :) | 07:32 |
| irenab | yamamoto: +1 on agent extension driver | 07:32 |
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| yamamoto | i guess we already have enough work for a week. | 07:32 |
| irenab | similar pattern to QoS agent extension | 07:33 |
| yamamoto | irenab: indeed | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | we can add this discussion on driver extension to next weeks agenda | 07:33 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | i guess we are out of time | 07:34 |
| anil_rao | Thanks everyone. | 07:34 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 07:34 |
| dedery_ | thank you | 07:34 |
| soichi | see you | 07:34 |
| vnyyad | thanks for everyone for participating. We got a good list of work to start off with | 07:34 |
| vnyyad | thanks and see you | 07:34 |
| dedery_ | vnyyad: i think that you should use the #endmeeting now | 07:35 |
| vnyyad | thanks for pointing it out :) | 07:35 |
| vnyyad | bye all | 07:35 |
| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 07:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 07:36:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tap_as_a_service_meeting/2015/tap_as_a_service_meeting.2015-11-11-06.36.html | 07:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tap_as_a_service_meeting/2015/tap_as_a_service_meeting.2015-11-11-06.36.txt | 07:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tap_as_a_service_meeting/2015/tap_as_a_service_meeting.2015-11-11-06.36.log.html | 07:36 |
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| amotoki | bye all | 07:36 |
| elady | bye all | 07:36 |
| ktatsuro | thanks all | 07:36 |
| dedery_ | yamamoto/amotoki - can we take the unit-test discussion offline? | 07:37 |
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| reedip | dedery_ kindly include me as well, if possible | 07:37 |
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| dedery_ | no problems. IRC/emails? | 07:38 |
| yamamoto | dedery_: i'm leaving from keyboard right now. feel free to email or ping me later. | 07:38 |
| reedip | dedery_ , sent on the chat | 07:38 |
| dedery_ | 10x | 07:38 |
| amotoki | dedery_: me too. I am going to another meeting. both email or irc (#-neutron) works for me. | 07:39 |
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| dedery_ | thank you very much. | 07:40 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 08:59:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:59 |
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| emalin | hello all | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | Hi everyone, welcome to vitrage weekly meeting. Posting a link to the agenda: | 09:00 |
| nadav_ | hello | 09:00 |
| mgrosz | hellow | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Vitrage#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Meeting Summaries | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | Let’s go over the meetings we had during the last week, and see how we progressed. | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | We had a meeting with everyone involved in Vitrage project. We went over the high-level architecture, and decided about the responsibilities of the different teams. | 09:01 |
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| ayah | hi | 09:02 |
| eyalb | hello | 09:02 |
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| alexey_weyl | We had a blueprints meeting, and decided on the blueprints that needs to be done for mitaka. In addition we thought of more blueprints which will be done if we will have the time | 09:02 |
| alexey_weyl | The blueprints can be seen in our launchpad and also in github and gerrit under vitrage-specs | 09:03 |
| alexey_weyl | if anyone has any reviews on the blueprints it will be great. | 09:04 |
| alexey_weyl | We are planning to finish the the blueprints reviews until the next meeting | 09:04 |
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| alexey_weyl | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage | 09:05 |
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| alexey_weyl | this is the link to the blueprints in launchpad | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | Thanks. Nadav, can you update about Vitrage Synchronizer meetings? | 09:05 |
| nadav_yakar | we have written the synchronizer blueprint and gerrit design | 09:06 |
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| nadav_yakar | these assumes the synchronizer need to deduce the changes out of OS services which returns only a snapshot, | 09:06 |
| nadav_yakar | but now we are checking which notifications are revealed over the message bus, | 09:07 |
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| nadav_yakar | which may enhance our design | 09:07 |
| elisha_rosenswei | have you started to consider non-OS syncronizers as well? | 09:07 |
| elisha_rosenswei | OS = OpenStack | 09:08 |
| emalin | we are consider them | 09:08 |
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| emalin | We would need to use rest api call to get the data from them | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | Alon, can you update about the meeting regarding Vitrage UI in horizon? | 09:09 |
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| AlonHeller | I created the UI blueprint for the system health, and started to setup the devstack | 09:11 |
| elisha_rosenswei | you can see it here: | 09:12 |
| elisha_rosenswei | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/ui-system-health-sunburst | 09:12 |
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| emalin | Alon, do you already know how are you going to implement it ? | 09:13 |
| AlonHeller | Omer will create today the blueprint for UI-RCA | 09:13 |
| AlonHeller | Not yet @emalin, Working on that | 09:14 |
| nadav_yakar | for whoever is interested, following is the most up-to-date synchronizer gerrit review - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/44/243244/1/check/gate-vitrage-specs-docs/22618ff/doc/build/html/specs/mitaka/vitrage-synchronizer.html#change-notificationshttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/44/243244/1/check/gate-vitrage-specs-docs/22618ff/doc/build/html/specs/mitaka/vitrage-synchronizer.html#change-notifications | 09:14 |
| nadav_yakar | #link - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/44/243244/1/check/gate-vitrage-specs-docs/22618ff/doc/build/html/specs/mitaka/vitrage-synchronizer.html#change-notifications | 09:15 |
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| ifat_afek | Regarding the status of our blueprints, I see that most blueprints were rewritten in gerrit, and match our updated architecture. | 09:17 |
| ayah | alon please add a link to the gerrit | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek make sure we finish updating our blueprints in the following days | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Openstack Procedures | 09:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Procedures (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:18 | |
| ifat_afek | During the last week we configured our openstack environments, and have our meetings in the official openstack channel. Thanks mgrosz and alexey_weyl | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:19 |
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| mgrosz | Work that has been done till now: new vitrage, vitrage-specs, vitrage-dashbaord (UI) rpoject are already in github, ready for your code. Note the temaplate in vitrage-specs for new specifications - tests check all titles from the temaple do exist. I still need to push the initial files in the dashboard project.Later, once it wil be relevant, I will | 09:19 |
| mgrosz | also add the vitrage client project (python-vitrageclient). | 09:19 |
| mgrosz | (sorry for the typos...) | 09:20 |
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| emalin | nice work | 09:20 |
| ifat_afek | Thanks Maty | 09:20 |
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| ifat_afek | There are several issues we need to address next. | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | . First, once we finish writing down all blueprints, we should meet and assign blueprints to the developers that plan to implement them. | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | We should also finish the discussions regarding the synchronizer architecture, and update its blueprint. | 09:22 |
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| emalin | We saw nice openstack project that has code we can use in the syncronizer | 09:23 |
| emalin | It called search light | 09:24 |
| alexey_weyl | We plan to finish all blueprints review until the next meeting | 09:24 |
| danoffek | can we reuse that code ? | 09:25 |
| nadav_yakar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Searchlight | 09:25 |
| emalin | This project collect data form OpenStack services for build search DB | 09:25 |
| emalin | We can use the same logic for our synchronizer | 09:26 |
| elisha_rosenswei | cool | 09:26 |
| emalin | We would examine the project in the coming days | 09:26 |
| mrunge | emalin, there should be a hook or a notifier. I sounds so ugly to copy code and re-use it in the same way | 09:27 |
| mrunge | or you should get in touch with searchlight folks to make that code a library | 09:27 |
| nadav_yakar | #action talk with them at room openstack-searchlight | 09:27 |
| alexey_weyl | Thanks mrunge :) | 09:28 |
| emalin | I would get in touch with them | 09:28 |
| mrunge | I believe, you're not alone with the same request. gnocchi or ceilometer should have the same issue | 09:28 |
| mrunge | (or the other way around, searchlight should hook into ceilo or gnocchi) | 09:28 |
| emalin | We would try to reuse the code of one of these projects | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | interesting input, thanks mrunge | 09:30 |
| mrunge | you're welcome. I was just stating, others might have the same issue as you guys, no need to re-invent the wheel again | 09:30 |
| emalin | 10x | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | thanks, let's move on | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | Once we are done with the high level architecture, we should start talking about the interfaces between the different components. | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone from Doctor or PinPoint joined our meeting? | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | We should contact Doctor and PinPoint guys, and ask them to review our blueprints. It is important to see that our architecture can match their requirements. | 09:33 |
| alexey_weyl | I will talk with Doctor guys | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | ok, I'll talk with PinPoint guys | 09:34 |
| ohad | OPNFV summit this week. we will continue discussions with them next week. | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | ok. So let me summarize our action items: | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | #action all finish the discussions regarding the synchronizer, and optionally update its blueprint | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | #action all assign blueprints to developers | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | #action alexey_weyl contact Doctor guys, ask them to review our blueprints | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek contact PinPoint guys, ask them to review our blueprints | 09:37 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 09:37 |
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| ifat_afek | Anything else? | 09:37 |
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| AlonHeller | @mrunge, do you have any experience with AngularJS Horizon plugin ? | 09:38 |
| mrunge | a little AlonHeller | 09:39 |
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| mrunge | the situation is quite clear here, you folks should build a plugin for horizon | 09:39 |
| AlonHeller | OK, I'll talk with you in private. Maybe you can help me. | 09:39 |
| mrunge | sure | 09:39 |
| mrunge | hmm, maybe we should move that to #openstack-horizon? | 09:40 |
| AlonHeller | Sure | 09:40 |
| mrunge | it's nothing super secret, right? it's open source, let's keep it open | 09:40 |
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| AlonHeller | No secrets | 09:41 |
| mrunge | ;-) | 09:41 |
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| robcresswell | I'm also around to give pointers on the Horizon work | 09:43 |
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| robcresswell | If you needed advice etc :) | 09:43 |
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| mrunge | pointer: https://developer.ibm.com/opentech/2015/10/08/add-angularjs-dashboard-plugin-openstack-horizon/ | 09:44 |
| danoffek | thanks ! | 09:44 |
| AlonHeller | Thanks I moved to the #openstack-horizon group | 09:44 |
| nitzikow | thanks mrunge, robcresswell. we also want to add a screen for active alerts to ceilometer, i saw your reply on email for the open blueprint | 09:45 |
| robcresswell | I wasn't sure if that was the same bp | 09:45 |
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| nitzikow | yes we are checking it with the guys who opened it | 09:45 |
| mrunge | ugh. the situation with ceilometer is a bit unfortunate currently | 09:46 |
| ifat_afek | why? can you explain? | 09:46 |
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| mrunge | uhm, currentl metering support in horizon is quite unusable | 09:46 |
| nitzikow | the vitrage project should use or leverage a screen of active alerts. we must use the ceilometer for that | 09:46 |
| nitzikow | *alarms | 09:47 |
| mrunge | we're not managing alarms at all | 09:47 |
| mrunge | but we would like to do | 09:47 |
| mrunge | *hint* | 09:47 |
| nitzikow | we will be happy to work on that :) | 09:47 |
| mrunge | awesome! | 09:48 |
| ifat_afek | we need to have alarms list in horizon, because we would like to show RCA on alarms | 09:48 |
| mrunge | so managing alarms would probably be a blueprint for current horizon | 09:48 |
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| ifat_afek | yes | 09:49 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: There is a bp for it already, which is being revived by someone | 09:49 |
| mrunge | oh great robcresswell | 09:50 |
| danoffek | we have blueprints for it | 09:50 |
| alexey_weyl | ok, we'll check it | 09:50 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-alarm-management-page | 09:51 |
| ifat_afek | thanks! | 09:51 |
| robcresswell | np :) | 09:51 |
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| elisha_rosenswei | I will check what the current status us, and coordinate with AlonHeller to push this bp forward | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | cool, thanks | 09:53 |
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| elisha_rosenswei | *us* = is | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | #action elisha_rosenswei check horizon alarm management blueprint | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | anything else? | 09:53 |
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| amir_gur | I don't think so | 09:54 |
| ifat_afek | ok, so goodbye everybody, see you next week | 09:54 |
| ayah | see you next week | 09:54 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 09:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 09:55:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-11-08.59.html | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-11-08.59.txt | 09:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-11-08.59.log.html | 09:55 |
| mrunge | thanks everybody | 09:55 |
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| alexey_weyl | Thanks :) | 09:57 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 12:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:00 |
| pkarikh | hi! | 12:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 12:01 |
| mrunge | hey o/ | 12:01 |
| doug-fis_ | \o morning all | 12:01 |
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| david-lyle | Let's get rolling | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | Several of us attended the summit in Tokyo two weeks ago | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | as a reminder, the gist of the conversations were recorded | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Horizon | 12:04 |
| -amotoki- it seems there was no session on Friday afternoon | 12:04 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 12:04 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: there was little contention and people were ready to do other things :) | 12:04 |
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| amotoki | :) | 12:05 |
| neillc_away | o/ | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | 2 people were there at 2 pm, so we adjourned and enjoyed Tokyo | 12:05 |
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| doug-fish | A much different Friday than the previous summit. | 12:05 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | we were very efficient, yes | 12:05 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I think the rapid agreement on priorities helped :-) | 12:05 |
| neillc | So much agreement... | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | I also want to thank amotoki for arranging the meetup on Monday night, excellent location and a good time. Thank you! | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | +1, although I was late :) | 12:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was sad I missed it, but I flew in too late | 12:06 |
| doug-fish | yes - thanks amotoki! | 12:06 |
| amotoki | very happy to hear you all enjoyed Tokyo (and more Japan) ! | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | the resulting priority list for Mitaka can be found | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities | 12:08 |
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| david-lyle | Highest priority is really documenting plugins and theming and testing, all of which are in progress | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | basically give users and operators enough information to successfully use all the nice features we've been adding | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I saw that our pbr issue is unlikely to become unblocked | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | which was another critical priority | 12:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that's a problem because it's blocked on lifeless | 12:11 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I've engaged with him post-summit but I think he's got other priorities | 12:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and he's the only pbr core | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | we may need to consider other solutions :/ | 12:12 |
| mrunge | so, that leaves us hanging somewhere? | 12:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not sure what other solutions there are, but yeah, we're blocked on being able to release thru openstack infra :/ | 12:12 |
| mrunge | if releasing is blocked, isn't that a super-urgent-high-critical issue? | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | adding another group with publishing privileges other than openstack-infra? | 12:13 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so the core problem is that we need some credentials to publish to pypi that we can all share | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | openstack infra have solved that problem | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | without using their solution, we'll have to implement our own solution | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | are there groups on pypi? | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | no, sadly | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | :/ | 12:15 |
| mrunge | I *know* I released at least one django_openstack_auth just by tagging it | 12:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | you can have multiple maintainers for a package | 12:15 |
| mrunge | but that has been a year since then...? | 12:15 |
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| david-lyle | so openstack-infra is just an account that multiple people have access to? | 12:15 |
| amotoki | IIRC openstack infra use openstack-ci account to access PyPI. | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: d-o-a is not an issue | 12:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mrunge: that package doesn't run into the problem that the xstatic packages do: 4 digit versions are rejected by infra because pbr | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | only xstatic with x.x.x.x version strings | 12:15 |
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| amotoki | ahh... pbr now supports only x.y.z | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | yes | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | and not looking highly likely to change | 12:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the spec to change pbr is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205623/ fyi | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | Are pbr changes just at the mercy of a single developer? | 12:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: yes | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | *facepalm* | 12:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | personally I think that's an amazing risk that OpenStack is taking | 12:18 |
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| robcresswell | What are the alternatives? We produce our own horizon-infra procedure? | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | another alternative is we deviate from the upstream version numbers | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | which will be confusing | 12:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, had considered that, but that would be tres confusing | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | just increment each release and document in a version file or something the real version | 12:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think we considered using .postN at one point, but I believe pbr rejects those too | 12:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but I'm not 100% sure on that. and testing it is difficult ;-) | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | but since we already have releases that would have us starting in weird places | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | and the requirements changes would be challenging | 12:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I know we can't use +internal extensions to versions because *pypi* rejects those | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I thought we tried the postN bit at the midcycle | 12:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yeah, that was my recollection too | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | to no success | 12:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | however, I recall some muttering about .postN in another place since then | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm gonna write myself a note to look into that, *and* to poke Robert again to see if I can get some movement | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | even if that movement is a final "no" | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | we can try again I suppose, maybe it wasn't postN exactly that we tried, but another of the key words in the 4th value | 12:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | which would suck, but at least we know where we stand (not a real project) | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | haha | 12:23 |
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| david-lyle | The other critical item from the summit, not document related was moving forward with some angular content on master | 12:25 |
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| david-lyle | any general feedback on the summit this time? | 12:26 |
| robcresswell | Felt like it was good overall. Cross-project sessions seemed pretty unproductive | 12:26 |
| robcresswell | I think next time we should work with the project teams beforehand to discover issues, then discuss how to solve them at the summit | 12:27 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: re: x-project or horizon related issues? | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | x-project | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | Ceilometer was the one I was specifically thinking of | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | discussion seemed a little vague | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | That may just be my lack of experience with it though. | 12:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I learned a lot about ceilometer in that session actually ;-) | 12:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was starting from a pretty ignorant position though, admittedly | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I thought you were referring to the grander x-project sessions | 12:29 |
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| robcresswell | Oh, no sorry | 12:30 |
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| david-lyle | I agree those two sessions could have been more productive, but sometimes the summit is just a good way to start the conversation with the interested parties in the room | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | get everyone up to speed on the unknown together :) | 12:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep :) | 12:31 |
| amotoki | it usually happens in neutron sessions.. | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Fair enough, t'was just a suggestion | 12:31 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: not a bad one | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | any other general feedback? | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | or specific, I suppose | 12:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | personally, I'd like to be more prepared for having time like we did on Friday - with the assumption that the next summit will go just as swimmingly :-) | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: after the last summit I just assumed we'd need all that time | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | Difficult to judge though. Travis was saying its the first summit he hasn't left early friday evening, and its the first one he could've left early and not missed anything. | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Agreed | 12:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 12:35 |
| amotoki | agree. | 12:35 |
| doug-fish | maybe it's not a good assumption we won't meet Friday, but maybe we could reach some agreement on Thursday if we have any other work to do. | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | the other option is not schedule something in the afternoon and have informal time if needed | 12:36 |
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| doug-fish | I'd rather have the time scheduled - it has been important and useful in past summits | 12:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think if I had've been more prepared I could've sat with a couple of people and been productive on Friday arvo | 12:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | er afternoon | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: sure | 12:37 |
| neillc | We were all pretty tired by Friday afternoon. That's likely constant. | 12:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I just wasn't expecting to have to, and then Friday came and I was too exhausted to think so hard ;-) | 12:37 |
| amotoki | Friday afternoon is a spare time. if we have topics, let's discuss. otherwise enjoy sightseeing or others! | 12:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the one thing that not hanging around on Friday meant was no Horizon post-summit drinks, which I also missed | 12:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | because we disintegrated early | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: true | 12:38 |
| doug-fish | maybe we need to schedule more mid-week drinking? | 12:38 |
| neillc | post summit drinks would have been good :) | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | we didn't properly close things out | 12:38 |
| robcresswell | I think we should do the meetup later in the week | 12:39 |
| amotoki | :) | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well, I don't want to be that guy, but the *swift* team all got a harbor cruise | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | of course, swift is a Real Project so someone paid for it :-/ | 12:40 |
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| robcresswell | Hey Horizon is real, HP made t-shirts this time | 12:40 |
| robcresswell | I loved in Vancouver when they told Travis "we don't really have anyone working on Horizon" | 12:40 |
| amotoki | i think swift is special in this summit. no sponsor in neutron meetup too | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | anyway, I did want to make the point that I think things went so smoothly partly because we met only three months prior for the midcycle | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I would agree with that | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so I think there's value in doing that thing again | 12:41 |
| amotoki | robcresswell: really? we use horizon for production | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | amotoki: so do we | 12:41 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: Yeah, just some naive marketing person I think. | 12:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (though not in the public cloud, of course) | 12:42 |
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| robcresswell | So, another mid-cycle? | 12:42 |
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| neillc | +1 | 12:42 |
| doug-fish | +1 | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | I took the action to try and track potential venues for a midcycle | 12:43 |
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| david-lyle | but since I've been back at it for 1 day now since the summit, I have not made much progress | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | west coast US would be easy to arrange | 12:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: San Diego has been bandied about by several folks | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | SJC or PDX would be easy | 12:43 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | not sure precisely who the host org would be there | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure who that cares about horizon has an office in SD | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | HP used to, but not since post split, I belive | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | Seattle is also probably a possibility | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | I'll work on some concrete options | 12:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | coolo | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | I know I can offer to host in Santa Clara or Portland, but I'll build the list | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | #topic bug report | 12:48 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport | 12:48 |
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| robcresswell | \o/ | 12:49 |
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| robcresswell | So I updated it for this week, and updated the criteria too. It's a wiki, so feel free to add to it. I'll keep adding new things and removing merged ones each week. | 12:50 |
| robcresswell | Been speaking with matt borland too, so we're synced on priorities with some of the angular patches | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | looks good | 12:51 |
| robcresswell | Ideally, we can merge the majority of these each week, and keep on top of the priority list, but it will require active participation so bookmark it folks :) | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | isn't the magic search one merged, that bug report is a mess, but there is a merge message at the bottomw | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | launchpad disagrees | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | but launchpad | 12:53 |
| robcresswell | I think there are more for it | 12:54 |
| robcresswell | At least, there seem to be active patches still attached to it | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | ok | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | just scanning | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | #topic reno | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: o/ | 12:55 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 12:55 |
| robcresswell | So, lhcheng has a patch to hadd this | 12:55 |
| * david-lyle admits still hasn't reread | 12:55 | |
| robcresswell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243897/ | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | so our release notes are to be yaml rather than rst? | 12:56 |
| robcresswell | This is how we'll manage our release notes now. It's not as draconian as a I first thought. | 12:56 |
| amotoki | I haven't figured out the full picture yet | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | well yaml that -> rst | 12:56 |
| amotoki | another one, the last call for juno stable update has been sent, but horizon juno gate is broken. can we handle it, or no action? | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, yaml then rst | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | Makes it easier to do it as we go, and we control what needs to be reno'd | 12:58 |
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| robcresswell | So it just means a little bit more "stuff" with our larges features, so bps and larger bugfixes I assume. | 12:58 |
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| david-lyle | the positive for me is that we can require release notes as part of a change | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | Yeah | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: good topic | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | jumping | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | #topic juno | 12:59 |
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| amotoki | we have less than 1 min. | 12:59 |
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| david-lyle | the gate is broken | 12:59 |
| amotoki | just link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079065.html | 12:59 |
| robcresswell | Is the gate issue a known bug that we can fix? Or new? | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | there is a bit of a hacky patch to fix it | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: known issue | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | dependency hell | 13:00 |
| amotoki | it is not our fault, but dependency is broken. | 13:00 |
| amotoki | dark side of oslo dependency | 13:00 |
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| david-lyle | we should fix it, but I'm not sure I saw much meat for juno patches outstanding | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | but this will be the last formal juno release | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | fixing the gate would be a nice start | 13:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | a co-worker has a phrase be uses to describe the dependency hell around juno "tangled web of onions" | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | ok, time's up | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 13:02:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-11-12.00.html | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-11-12.00.txt | 13:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-11-12.00.log.html | 13:02 |
| neillc | Night all o/ | 13:02 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 13:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ and good night all :-) | 13:02 |
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| amotoki | good night :) | 13:02 |
| oetrog_ | good night | 13:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 15:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | o | 15:00 |
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| bmotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| qwebirc88135 | cheers! | 15:00 |
| s-kawaba_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | So, sorry about the mix-up last week on the time change | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bogdan | cheers! | 15:01 |
| witek | you were not the only one :) | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | NIce to see everyone here today | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Looks like we'l have a good meeting then | 15:01 |
| bogdan | looks like we have big news, right? | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Please update the agenda | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic tent | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | Congratulations to everyone, Monasca is in the Big Tent. | 15:02 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213183/ | 15:02 |
| bklei | congrats! way to stick with the process rhochmuth! | 15:02 |
| bogdan | congratulations to everyone! | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | So, I'm not sure I have too much to say. | 15:03 |
| witek | :) | 15:03 |
| bklei | just take a bow | 15:03 |
| bogdan | :) | 15:03 |
| witek | good job! | 15:03 |
| fabiog | :) | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | I think we are doing good on process, with improvements in areas that we can still make | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | Hopefully, we'll get some more developers on-board with the project as a result | 15:04 |
| bklei | that would be great! | 15:04 |
| bogdan | big tent should be a booster | 15:04 |
| witek | for sure | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | We can also be a part of the official OpenStack process like having our own sessions at the next summit | 15:04 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:05 |
| fabiog | +1 | 15:05 |
| bogdan | +1 | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | It will also help us with other projects, like Congress | 15:05 |
| fabiog | +2 ;-) | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | So, unless any questions, maybe we should move on, but again Thanks to everyone for all the support! | 15:06 |
| bklei | nice work | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic twc | 15:06 |
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| bklei | that's me | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | you are up | 15:07 |
| bklei | first update on perf | 15:07 |
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| bklei | one of the enhancements i'd been working on, and actually got working for vertica was pre-join projections | 15:07 |
| bklei | but found a bug where the db crashed when you'd update statistics | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | the agenda says it is deprecated | 15:07 |
| bklei | yup -- so abandoning that http://my.vertica.com/docs/7.2.x/HTML/index.htm#Authoring/NewFeatures/_VersionIndependent/DeprecatedFunctionality.htm%3FTocPath%3DHP%2520Vertica%25207.2.x%2520New%2520Features%7CDeprecated%2520and%2520Retired%2520Functionality%7C_____1 | 15:07 |
| bklei | i guess it wasn't a widely used feature or stable | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | wow, that didn't last long | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | didn't they only add it in 7.2 | 15:08 |
| bklei | yeah, i don't think it would buy us much -- not as much as some app caching | 15:08 |
| bklei | at least 7.1 | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i just started looking at that this morning | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | the caching that is | 15:09 |
| bklei | sweet -- initial thoughts? | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think it will be difficult | 15:09 |
| bklei | you're my hero | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | i didn't do it yet | 15:09 |
| bklei | :) | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i'll start playing with it, unless deklan wants a reprieve | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | from devstack | 15:09 |
| bklei | would love to hear your thoughts -- i can help identify the queries that are repeated... | 15:09 |
| ddieterly | devstack is never ending | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | let me try writing some code and then i'll put somethign up for review | 15:10 |
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| bklei | perfect, thx! | 15:10 |
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| bklei | well that covers 2.5 in my list | 15:11 |
| bklei | next topic -- persister weirdness | 15:11 |
| bklei | opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1511793 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1511793 in Monasca "java version of monasca persister appears to have memory leak" [Undecided,New] | 15:11 |
| bklei | not sure it's a memory leak, but about once a week, we simply see things 'stall' in the persister | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | the persister has a cache in it, could that be the problem? | 15:12 |
| bklei | not sure, just know nothing gets to the db, kafka lag seems to keep up, nothing in the logs | 15:12 |
| bklei | could use some ideas for how to triage | 15:12 |
| ddieterly | can you do a 'kill -3' against the process to get a thread dump the next time it happens? | 15:12 |
| bklei | restart fixes it, for a while | 15:12 |
| bklei | will do ddieterly | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so, this is occurring once a week | 15:13 |
| bklei | i have some jstack output already | 15:13 |
| bklei | yes, about that, happened yesterday | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | very interesting | 15:13 |
| bklei | worst part is, data is lost | 15:13 |
| ddieterly | you can also try setting the cache to a low size | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | the persister should immediately fail if it can't write to the database | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | there should be any loss of data | 15:13 |
| bklei | restart, huge gaps in data, depending on how long it takes to notice | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | if a db write fails, a sql exception should be caught and the persister exists | 15:13 |
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| bklei | doesn't seem to be happening, more like things are hung | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | and the offset in Kafaka shousl not have been updated | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | so, on restart it shoudl start where it was the last time | 15:14 |
| ddieterly | the persister could be in a hung state, but the kafka offsets should not be advanced then | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | ok, that process dump will help | 15:15 |
| bklei | it's possible a bug i found in our consumer lag monitoring could have masked that fact, and kafka lag is big for certain partitions of the metrics topic | 15:15 |
| bklei | i'll do that | 15:15 |
| bklei | i'll have better consumer lag checking in our next week's deploy to prod | 15:15 |
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| bklei | thx for the help on that one, it's gnarly | 15:15 |
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| bklei | ok -- next topic? | 15:15 |
| bklei | rbak - that's u | 15:16 |
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| rbak | yep | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | so the only window that we know of where data could be lost is if the persister fails write after a db write | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | that is a succesful db write | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | then you would end-up with duplicate data | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'm done, rbak you are up | 15:17 |
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| rbak | So currently if you submit a datapoint with some dimensions, e.g. hostname, and later add more dimensions, e.g. hostname and region, the first metric becomes impossible to query | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | yeah | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't consider that a bug | 15:17 |
| rbak | why not? | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | that is the way influxdb works | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | we removed the ability to return multiple metrics in a query | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | because of influxdb | 15:18 |
| rbak | The problem is that it causes grafana to error and display nothing when you hit one of these cases without the merge flag. | 15:18 |
| rbak | Because it tries to query every dimension set, but one isn't actually valid | 15:18 |
| fabiog | but if you query the one with the hostname and region do you get the data? | 15:19 |
| ddieterly | influxdb has peformance issues when we try to sort out the different series based on dimensions | 15:19 |
| ddieterly | we might want to see if they fixed that in later releases | 15:19 |
| rbak | fabiog: For the metric with both dimensions yes, but not for the metric with only hostname set | 15:20 |
| fabiog | rbak: I think it is right, if you want the old too you need to apply the merge flag | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | So, currently the API says you can't get multiple series/metrics back in a single query | 15:21 |
| rbak | fabiog: But you might not want to merge if they are separate data | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | Each one needs to be uniquely identified | 15:21 |
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| s-kawaba_ | I tested "GET /v2.0/metrics/names" with dimensions(only one), but I can't get result. | 15:21 |
| fabiog | rbak: but they are not, since they have the same hostname | 15:22 |
| bklei | seems like at a minimum, we need some error handling around this -- grafana will just barf, yes rbak? | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | We should return an error | 15:22 |
| rbak | fabiog: In this example yes, but that isn't always the case | 15:22 |
| rbak | bklei: That's correct | 15:22 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I think a 409 conflict error would be appropriate. You are querying for things that are not unique ... | 15:22 |
| bklei | this certainly makes me nervous to add dimensions | 15:23 |
| bklei | paints us into a corner | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if you add dimensions, then you've got problems, i agree | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | it is a trivial change for Vertica, but I didn't think that InfluxDB coudl support this | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | which is why we removed from Vertica | 15:24 |
| ddieterly | if you add dimensions, is it to the same logical series? if so, then you can use the merge-metrics flag | 15:24 |
| rbak | It might be or might not, especially if you are adding dimensions in order to split out the data into something more specific | 15:25 |
| bklei | i think it's more an issue when our users build graphs adhoc | 15:25 |
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| ddieterly | we could give the java api a 'influxdb compatibility mode' | 15:25 |
| ddieterly | then we could allow the java api to do the things that twc wants when it is not in influxdb compatibility mode | 15:26 |
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| bklei | or a metrics list flag that says, ignore un-queryable dimension sets | 15:26 |
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| bklei | don't want to kill the whole hour on this topic | 15:27 |
| ddieterly | maybe we could do a launchpad design sketch for this feature | 15:27 |
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| bklei | agreed ddieterly | 15:27 |
| rbak | That works. | 15:27 |
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| bklei | next twc topic -- hoping for some support to add start/end time to metric list call | 15:27 |
| bklei | here's the scenario | 15:27 |
| bklei | a dashboard does a metrics list for a time period, then does a stats call for all dimension sets | 15:28 |
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| fabiog | bklei: but if your queries you always have the hostname and merge you will always get the right result .. | 15:28 |
| bklei | yes fabio, this is a case where we aren't merging | 15:28 |
| bklei | so the dashboard ends up querying needlessly for data that isn't there if there aren't measurements | 15:29 |
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| bklei | this happens a lot for a MaaS dashboard where VMs are short lived | 15:29 |
| fabiog | bklei: what I am saying is that forcing the merge does not change the queries that have the least amount of common dimensions ... | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | so, you are trying to get a list of the metrics that are active in some time period | 15:30 |
| bklei | that could be fabiog, well include you in the etherpad discussion on that? | 15:30 |
| bklei | yes rhochmuth | 15:30 |
| fabiog | bklei: sure | 15:30 |
| bklei | this is one of the perf enhancements we'd like to make at twc before going live with maas | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | i'm ok with the change | 15:31 |
| bklei | this review isn't done, bug at least works on the vertica side and accomplishes what i'm describing | 15:31 |
| bklei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241626/ | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | probably should have a blueprint | 15:31 |
| bklei | i'm just testing the influxdb/python | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | the other issue is Tempest tests and Python API | 15:31 |
| bklei | yup | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | awesome | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | do you have the tempest tests working | 15:32 |
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| bklei | can add tempest too, haven't got that far -- at least not in devstack | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | it should be really easy to add | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | devstack isn't required to run them | 15:32 |
| bklei | will do that for sure, and if you want a blueprint i'll start one and link to my review | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | there are directions on how to install/run | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | all that should change is the endpoint and user credentials to match your environment | 15:33 |
| bklei | bueno -- i need to ramp up there, so thx for the directions | 15:33 |
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| bklei | awesome, i'm sure it'll work 1st time :) | 15:33 |
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| bklei | i think that's it for that topic? | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:34 |
| bklei | rbak -- grafana 2.0 update? | 15:34 |
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| rbak | I have a monasca plugin for grafana 2.5. The branch here: https://github.com/rbak1/grafana-plugins/tree/master/datasources | 15:34 |
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| cdupont | Hello everybody | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | hi | 15:34 |
| rbak | Feel free to pull it down give me feedback. | 15:34 |
| rbak | I'm still making changes, but once it's stable I'll submit a pull request. | 15:35 |
| witek | https://github.com/rbak1/grafana-plugins/tree/master/datasources | 15:35 |
| rbak | This plugin is for the standalone grafana, and does not currently integrate with horizon. It needs a keystone token in the datasource to talk to monasca. | 15:35 |
| rbak | I'm currently looking at integrating the built in grafana auth with keystone. That way it can get it's own keystone token. | 15:35 |
| rbak | It might also be possible to leverage the grafana concept of "organizations" to provide per tenant dashboards, so I'm looking at this as well. | 15:36 |
| rbak | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/grafana2x | 15:36 |
| rbak | jobrs created a blueprint for this. I'll try to keep that updated with how things are going. | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | Thanks Ryan. | 15:37 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: rbak: we should see if the grafana community may be interested in supporting a Monasca datasource | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | I think that is the plan | 15:37 |
| rbak | fabiog: It should be easy to get this pulled into the plugins repo. | 15:37 |
| fabiog | rbak: ok | 15:37 |
| rbak | Later we can also try to get into the main repo if we want. That's what gnocchi is trying to do now | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | Thanks for update ryan, should be move on | 15:38 |
| rbak | Sure, that's all I have | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | #topic logging | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | Log-management integration into monasca-vagrant / devstack plugin ? | 15:39 |
| witek | we would like to integrate our ansible roles into monasca-vagrant | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | That would be great. | 15:39 |
| witek | and then start working on devstack integration | 15:39 |
| witek | do Monasca plan to support both installers? | 15:40 |
| bklei | should it be the reverse? i assumed devstack will cause us to deprecate monasca-vagrant? | 15:40 |
| witek | well, but we have ansible roles already | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | well, there is always the possiblity of monasca-vagrant getting deprecated | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | as a result of devstack | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | today we still need it for other reasons | 15:41 |
| bklei | ok | 15:41 |
| ningy_ | what's the current status of devstack plugin? I think rally needs this for adding monasca tests | 15:42 |
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| bogdan | it's just we had some questions after the summit, on how to install thte logging | 15:42 |
| ddieterly | the devstack plugin works with both java and python implementations | 15:42 |
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| ddieterly | we need to fix up some of the smoke tests at this point | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | Vertica is not supported in DevStack | 15:43 |
| fabiog | ddieterly: can you enable different parts, like enable monasca_metrics monasca_events or something like that | 15:43 |
| ddieterly | you should be able to run the smoke tests against monasca running from the devstack plugin | 15:43 |
| ddieterly | fabiog: no, not at this time | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | As far as the overall DevStack plugin it works, but we are still relatively new to tis DevStack thing, so there could be issues that you run into | 15:43 |
| ddieterly | we need to test the vagrant devstack next | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | So, where should the log api devstack plugin live | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | i was thinking in the monasca-log-api repo | 15:44 |
| ddieterly | ideally that would be its own plugin | 15:45 |
| witek | ok | 15:45 |
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| witek | i don't know how it works, how it intagrates with monasca devstack plugin? | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | And for the monasca-vagrat, it would be in ansible-monasca-log-api | 15:45 |
| witek | and also monasca-log-agent | 15:46 |
| ddieterly | you will need to create a separate plugin that does what the monasca-api devstack/plugin does | 15:46 |
| witek | monasca-log-schema | 15:46 |
| witek | monasca-elkstack | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:46 |
| ddieterly | ideally, each separate repo has a devstack/plugin | 15:46 |
| ddieterly | we may need to deviate from the ideal if it makes sense | 15:47 |
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| witek | ok, additionally should we add monasc-log-api into governance project? | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | yes | 15:47 |
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| witek | nice | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | i think monasca-log-api should be added | 15:48 |
| bogdan | who's doing it? witek? | 15:48 |
| witek | i will push the change | 15:48 |
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| bogdan | great! thanx! | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:48 |
| ddieterly | the goal is to have the plugin in a repo be able to run in a gate job | 15:48 |
| ddieterly | so that any changes to the repo go thru a suite of integration tests using the plugin to setup the env | 15:49 |
| witek | i get it | 15:49 |
| witek | ok, i think that's all for logging | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | thx | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | #topic tokyo | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | news from tokyo | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i think we should reach out to patrick petit from miranis | 15:51 |
| ddieterly | why? | 15:51 |
| bogdan | He's doing the LMA plugin for Fuel, right? | 15:51 |
| bogdan | https://github.com/openstack/fuel-plugin-lma-collector | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | he was doing work with Heka, and seemed interested in Monasca, | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | So, that is one follow-up item I had | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | Fabio has done great work in getting connnected with Congress | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: comments | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | ? | 15:53 |
| fabiog | yes | 15:54 |
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| fabiog | what we discussed is the ability for Congress to create alarms in Monasca based on Policies | 15:54 |
| fabiog | then Congress will receive Webhook notifications when the alarms go off and act on the related Policy | 15:55 |
| fabiog | they liked the idea a lot, but they want to move in steps | 15:55 |
| fabiog | so what we agreed at the summit is to start integrating Congress with Monasca using a driver | 15:55 |
| fabiog | drivers are their standard polling mechanism to get data out of the Openstack services | 15:56 |
| fabiog | I have a WIP around this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241826/ | 15:56 |
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| fabiog | I will start interacting with them to understand what API they would like to see polling, in my mind Metrics and Statistics (and maybe Alarms) are viable, but Measurements will kill them | 15:57 |
| fabiog | they store all this data in SQL ... | 15:57 |
| fabiog | any comments? | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | I guess move on then | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | Thanks to all the presenters. Great job. | 15:58 |
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| bklei | watched most on youtube -- nice work everyone | 15:58 |
| bklei | lots of monasca interest there? | 15:58 |
| witek | oh yes | 15:58 |
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| bklei | awesome | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | So, unfortunatley we are going to have to end the meeting | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | Do we need to get togehter outside of weekly meeting? | 15:59 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 15:59 |
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| fabiog | ciao | 15:59 |
| bklei | perhaps mailing list discussions? | 15:59 |
| bklei | remind me the mail alias? | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | Sounds good. We need to address your design question | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 16:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-11-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-11-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-11-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| acabot_ | #startmeeting watcher | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 16:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 16:01 |
| acabot_ | hi | 16:01 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Hi | 16:01 |
| tpeoples | hey | 16:01 |
| sballe | o/ | 16:01 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 16:01 |
| ostroverkhov | o/ | 16:01 |
| Ashavskiy | o/ | 16:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 16:01 |
| vojtechcima | o/ | 16:02 |
| alexstav_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| acabot_ | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#11.2F11.2F2015_Agenda | 16:02 |
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| mehdi__ | hi i am here | 16:02 |
| cdupont | Hi everybody | 16:02 |
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| bruno_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 16:02 |
| seanmurphy_ | hi all - a few of us are here from ZHAW (me, bruno, vojtech) - we are not proficient with IRC meetings, so apols if we don’t know conventions etc | 16:03 |
| mehdi__ | hi corentin | 16:03 |
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| acabot_ | seanmurphy_: no problem ;-) | 16:03 |
| tpeoples | welcome | 16:03 |
| mehdi__ | also a few of us from CREATE-NET are here | 16:03 |
| sballe | wlecome | 16:03 |
| alexchadin | Hello from Moscow! | 16:03 |
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| sballe | welcoe :-) | 16:04 |
| alexchadin | Servionica is here:) | 16:04 |
| acabot_ | before we dig into the agenda, just to let you know that Monasca has been accepted yesterday in the big tent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213183/ | 16:04 |
| samarinvv | Hi! | 16:04 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:04 |
| mehdi__ | great news for Monasca | 16:04 |
| mehdi__ | congrats guys | 16:04 |
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| jwcroppe | cool! | 16:04 |
| alexstav_ | congrats! | 16:04 |
| acabot_ | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| samarinvv | congrats! | 16:05 |
| acabot_ | so took the opportunity to invite our friends from ICCLab Zurich today | 16:05 |
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| jwcroppe | welcome folks | 16:05 |
| sballe | acabot_: +1 | 16:05 |
| jwcroppe | glad to have you attend! | 16:05 |
| acabot_ | maybe we can start by a quick intro guys | 16:05 |
| seanmurphy_ | thanks for the invitation antoine | 16:06 |
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| seanmurphy_ | as you may see from agenda, we are a university applied research lab | 16:06 |
| seanmurphy_ | focused on cloud computing with different aspects | 16:06 |
| seanmurphy_ | one of which is energy | 16:06 |
| seanmurphy_ | we have done a bit of work | 16:06 |
| seanmurphy_ | it is modest, tbh - i don’t want to oversell it | 16:07 |
| seanmurphy_ | ;-) | 16:07 |
| mehdi__ | sure | 16:07 |
| seanmurphy_ | we have developed an energy monitoring tool which collects energy consumption from servers | 16:07 |
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| seanmurphy_ | and shows it in a dashboard etc | 16:07 |
| seanmurphy_ | it is based on the kwapi project | 16:07 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Greate | 16:07 |
| seanmurphy_ | in the larger openstack ecosystem | 16:07 |
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| seanmurphy_ | it’s maybe a bit basic, but it’s open source and we can share a small video of it | 16:08 |
| seanmurphy_ | we also have done a bit of work on delay tolerant workload mgmt as a tool to achieve energy savings | 16:08 |
| seanmurphy_ | and have a horizon plugin to support deferred workload | 16:08 |
| acabot_ | seanmurphy_: you didn't put the link for the monitoring tool in the agenda, can you share it ? | 16:08 |
| seanmurphy_ | so you can tell openstack to schedule launch of a VM at a specific time | 16:08 |
| seanmurphy_ | i will do so | 16:09 |
| acabot_ | thx | 16:09 |
| jwcroppe | seanmurphy_: interesting use cases indeed | 16:09 |
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| bruno_ | Link for energy monitoring tool - http://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/web-application-to-monitor-and-understand-energy/ | 16:09 |
| seanmurphy_ | the idea with the deferred workload stuff is to add a scheduling component around it | 16:09 |
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| seanmurphy_ | which can take delay tolerant workload from users of the system | 16:10 |
| bruno_ | and scheduler - http://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/extending-the-openstack-dashboard-to-support-delay-tolerant-workload/ | 16:10 |
| seanmurphy_ | and schedule them using the deferred workload mechanism | 16:10 |
| seanmurphy_ | then we have done a bit on load consolidation | 16:10 |
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| seanmurphy_ | reading usage info from a system a having a basic mechanism to support consolidation | 16:10 |
| seanmurphy_ | it’s a bit heuristic rather than based on Hard Science | 16:10 |
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| seanmurphy_ | but it’s prob a reasonable compromise | 16:11 |
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| jwcroppe | yeah, most things are in this space :) | 16:11 |
| seanmurphy_ | we also did work on live migration using so called post copy live migration rather than the standard pre copy mechanism which suffers from some issues if there is intense memory use in a VM | 16:11 |
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| seanmurphy_ | that suffers from the prob of lacking support in linux kernel and also of distributed state within the migration process | 16:12 |
| seanmurphy_ | but is more certain to terminate than the pre copy approach | 16:12 |
| seanmurphy_ | that’s our work in a nutshell | 16:12 |
| seanmurphy_ | it’s not fully consolidated as yet | 16:12 |
| jwcroppe | very cool, I'll read thru the material later today | 16:12 |
| seanmurphy_ | but we plan to bring it together over the coming months | 16:12 |
| seanmurphy_ | i think that’s abt it | 16:13 |
| seanmurphy_ | from our side | 16:13 |
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| seanmurphy_ | acabot_: is that sufficient? | 16:13 |
| sballe | same here | 16:13 |
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| tpeoples | thanks for the intro | 16:13 |
| acabot_ | seanmurphy_: seems great and interesting, I will look at the material | 16:13 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot_: shall we proceed with the agenda? | 16:14 |
| seanmurphy_ | we will put more of our content in the minutes | 16:14 |
| acabot_ | as I see we have people from create-net, federico ? | 16:14 |
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| cdupont | we're here :) | 16:14 |
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| cdupont | we can introduce ourselve quickly | 16:15 |
| acabot_ | yes please | 16:15 |
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| cdupont | so we are from Create-Net (www.create-net.org), in Italy | 16:15 |
| cdupont | Our area is called Smart Infrastructure (Smarti), working on cloud computing infrastructure | 16:15 |
| cdupont | Our project is DC4Cities, which aim at using more renewable energy in data centres | 16:15 |
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| cdupont | At the moment we have several prototypes we're working on... | 16:15 |
| cdupont | one is the EASC (Energy Efficient Software Controller): | 16:16 |
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| cdupont | it will control the workload level of flexible apps to follow some constraints, such as renewable energies | 16:16 |
| acabot_ | cdupont: could you share links on the agenda or on IRC using # link ? | 16:16 |
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| cdupont | OK | 16:17 |
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| cdupont | Also Plug4Green: a VM consolidator based on constraint programming with an energetic model | 16:17 |
| cdupont | But it's in Java | 16:17 |
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| cdupont | Plug4Green is based on BtrPlace | 16:17 |
| mehdi__ | EASC makes application adaptive to renewable energy availabilty | 16:17 |
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| mehdi__ | by introducing a few working modes (execution modes) for each application | 16:18 |
| cdupont | So we have 2 ways to optimize: VM consolidation to save energy | 16:18 |
| cdupont | EASC to optimize renewable energies | 16:18 |
| mehdi__ | www.dc4cities.eu is for DC4Cities project | 16:18 |
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| acabot_ | ok please share links (blogs & source code) as much as you can on the agenda and we will all look at it before our next meeting | 16:19 |
| cdupont | there is also a tool called PaaS consolidator to consolidate containers but that might be out of topic for this meeting | 16:19 |
| acabot_ | cdupont: yes ;-) | 16:19 |
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| acabot_ | #topic Review Action Items | 16:20 |
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| edleafe | #link www.dc4cities.eu | 16:20 |
| mehdi__ | tnx | 16:20 |
| edleafe | #link http://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/extending-the-openstack-dashboard-to-support-delay-tolerant-workload/ | 16:20 |
| mehdi__ | I was looking for it | 16:20 |
| cdupont | does this sound interresting for you? How could we collaborate :) | 16:20 |
| edleafe | #link http://blog.zhaw.ch/icclab/web-application-to-monitor-and-understand-energy/ | 16:20 |
| acabot_ | thx Ed (# link add the link to minutes) | 16:21 |
| mehdi__ | EASC is instantiated for various computing styles | 16:21 |
| mehdi__ | like PaaS and IaaS | 16:21 |
| jwcroppe | acabot_: the watcher-specs templates are all merged now -- thanks for all the reviews from folks | 16:21 |
| mehdi__ | EASC-PaaS has been implemented with Cloud Foundry | 16:21 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:21 |
| acabot_ | cdupont: we will look at it in more detail and come back to you next week, as we have only an hour, we need to follow the agenda | 16:22 |
| jwcroppe | (and big thanks to our nova colleagues allowing us to promote code reuse) :) | 16:22 |
| cdupont | ok thanks :) | 16:22 |
| sballe | I am working on two things. 1. end to end install of watcher and all the pieces in a vM. I hope to have that completed today. and 2. workingon a sec with Nishi for the PoC. we are meetign with jed56 tomorrow to discuss further | 16:22 |
| mehdi__ | #link http://www.fit4green.eu/ | 16:22 |
| acabot_ | sballe: ok thx for all your feedback regarding the installation process, feel free to send reviews on doc if there are issues | 16:23 |
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| acabot_ | sballe: it would be better if the next one has a better doc ;-) | 16:24 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: thanks for that... I will appreciate that for when I set it up soon | 16:24 |
| tpeoples | Zhenzan Zhou (is that you Kevin_Zheng ?) took care of my action item, creating the devstack plugin blueprint (#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/devstack-plugin). i added a bit more detail and hope to start working on that soon | 16:24 |
| sballe | acabot_: will do. I still have to do the final step around configuration | 16:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | No | 16:24 |
| sballe | no Zhenzan Zhou is with Intel and his nick is bzhou | 16:24 |
| tpeoples | ah okay | 16:24 |
| jwcroppe | All... for each BP, we need to now submit the formal spec now that watcher-specs is ready | 16:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | He is a guy from Intel | 16:24 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe: +1 | 16:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I'm from huawei | 16:25 |
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| sballe | Kevin_Zheng: who are oyu with | 16:25 |
| sballe | :-) | 16:25 |
| jwcroppe | if it's a 'small' change, then no spec is needed... otherwise we should get started on the formal spec write-up and get those approved | 16:25 |
| acabot_ | yes sorry we didn't introduced you Kevin | 16:25 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: we need the ceilometer integration for Devstack | 16:25 |
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| sballe | BTW any ETA on Ceilometer integration. I believe jed56 said yes to ETA of Dec 1 | 16:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | That's ok I can do it in the open discussion | 16:26 |
| acabot_ | sballe: I agree we need to have the ceilometer integration and then we will be able to use Watcher in devstack env | 16:26 |
| sballe | +1000 my thoughts exactly | 16:26 |
| acabot_ | yes we plan to do it next week | 16:27 |
| sballe | you guys are the BEST! | 16:27 |
| jwcroppe | Ok, so let's close on the specs stuff. For those LP blueprints we've opened, we should now create the specs in the watcher-specs repo now that we are all ready for that | 16:27 |
| acabot_ | we had a great discussion yesterday with jed56 and thx to Ceilometer discussion in Tokyo, it would be pretty easy to do | 16:27 |
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| sballe | I'll work on Nishi's PoC spec with her. Should have a DRAFT early next week | 16:27 |
| mehdi__ | can we review on the spec? | 16:27 |
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| acabot_ | medhi__: yes of course | 16:28 |
| jwcroppe | acabot_: create an action for watcher-specs submission? | 16:28 |
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| jwcroppe | medhi___: yes, please review all specs :) | 16:28 |
| mehdi__ | sure | 16:28 |
| acabot_ | ok so I will approve BP regarding ceilometer, devstack and Nishi use case right ? | 16:28 |
| sballe | yes | 16:28 |
| sballe | and we'll work on the specs | 16:28 |
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| jwcroppe | sballe: wonderful | 16:28 |
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| mehdi__ | what's BP? | 16:29 |
| acabot_ | #action acabot_ approve BP regarding ceilometer, devstack and Nishi use case | 16:29 |
| acabot_ | BP = blueprint | 16:29 |
| mehdi__ | ok | 16:29 |
| jwcroppe | tpeoples: are you going to look at the devstack integration for watcher? do you want to post up the spec review for that too? | 16:29 |
| acabot_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher | 16:29 |
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| tpeoples | jwcroppe: as time allows...yes | 16:29 |
| jwcroppe | tpeoples: +1 | 16:29 |
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| sballe | +1 | 16:30 |
| edleafe | fwiw, ceilometer is changing its name to 'telemetry' | 16:30 |
| acabot_ | edleafe: ok I will update the BP then | 16:30 |
| sballe | thx for letting us know | 16:30 |
| jwcroppe | edleafe: wonderful. that's not confusing :) | 16:30 |
| edleafe | jwcroppe: :) | 16:30 |
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| sballe | lol | 16:30 |
| acabot_ | bug triage has been done by dtardivel | 16:31 |
| acabot_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher | 16:31 |
| acabot_ | so feel free to fix them ;-) | 16:31 |
| tpeoples | cool acabot_ | 16:31 |
| acabot_ | and of course add new one if you have troubles installing Watcher | 16:31 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Cool | 16:32 |
| edleafe | #info change 'ceilometer' references to 'telemetry' | 16:32 |
| acabot_ | sballe: you asked for changing our meeting time | 16:32 |
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| acabot_ | sballe: what would be best for US/China & Europe :-D | 16:32 |
| sballe | yes the main reason is that it is 12am for bzhou | 16:33 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Me too | 16:33 |
| sballe | I could do as early as 6 or 7 amEST | 16:33 |
| acabot_ | UTC ? | 16:33 |
| sballe | which is 8pm in China | 16:33 |
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| sballe | let me find a converter | 16:33 |
| tpeoples | that'd be 5-6 am CST? | 16:33 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: my biological clock does not compute anything between 5-6 am | 16:34 |
| jwcroppe | lol | 16:34 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe: :-D | 16:34 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Maybe just move to 1 or 2 hour earlier, think it will be ok for us | 16:34 |
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| acabot_ | 7am EST is 1pm Paris time and 8pm in China right ? | 16:35 |
| sballe | I understand but how if we moved to 8 am EST == 7 am CST == 9pm in China | 16:35 |
| edleafe | I can handle up to 3 hours earlier | 16:35 |
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| acabot_ | jwcroppe: what about you ? | 16:35 |
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| jwcroppe | perhaps we try a model like others and alternate times every other week? just a thought | 16:36 |
| sballe | that would be 1pm UTC per my converter | 16:36 |
| acabot_ | 3h earlier is OK for France, Italy and Switzerland I suppose | 16:36 |
| sballe | How about 2pm UTC == 9am EST == 10pm in China = 7am CSt | 16:37 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I'm OK | 16:37 |
| seanmurphy_ | yes - 3h earlier is fine for CH | 16:37 |
| Kevin_Zheng | In China | 16:37 |
| edleafe | 9am EST == 8am CST | 16:37 |
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| sballe | oh yeah I went MST | 16:38 |
| edleafe | so maybe 8am EST? | 16:38 |
| jwcroppe | I'm fine with 8 am CT | 16:38 |
| acabot_ | so 2h earlier than today | 16:38 |
| jwcroppe | 7 am will be almost impossible for me, but I don't want to be the bottleneck. | 16:38 |
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| sballe | 2pm UTC == 9am EST == 10pm in China = 8am CSt | 16:38 |
| jwcroppe | right, 2h earlier | 16:38 |
| alexstav_ | +1 | 16:38 |
| alexchadin | +2 | 16:38 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | +1 | 16:38 |
| samarinvv | +1 | 16:39 |
| ostroverkhov | +1 | 16:39 |
| Ashavskiy | +1 | 16:39 |
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| edleafe | +1 | 16:39 |
| sballe | tpeoples: Can you check and see if you can find a day/channel for that time? You did it last time rigth? | 16:39 |
| acabot_ | #openstack-meeting is available at 2pm UTC on wednesday | 16:39 |
| seanmurphy_ | +1 | 16:39 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 16:39 |
| sballe | acabot_: you were reading my mind :) | 16:39 |
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| sballe | acabot_: then let's grab it | 16:40 |
| mehdi__ | 10 pm for EU? | 16:40 |
| acabot_ | #action acabot_ ask for a new time slot for meeting at 2pm UTC on wednesday on #openstack-meeting | 16:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | No 10 for China | 16:40 |
| jwcroppe | we can also try alternating times too eventually if needed | 16:40 |
| acabot_ | it would be 3pm for EU | 16:40 |
| jwcroppe | (since the reality is there is no perfect world time) | 16:40 |
| sballe | acabot_: it will be early if we want people from the west coast to join. But it all about balance between all the time zones | 16:40 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: I agre | 16:40 |
| tpeoples | sballe: acabot_ : #openstack-meeting-4 is open during that time every week. #openstack-meeting is taken every other week during that slot by the doc team | 16:41 |
| sballe | I agree on the alternate times down the road | 16:41 |
| sballe | tpeoples: #openstack-meeting-4 it is | 16:41 |
| acabot_ | tpeoples: ok my cal is driving me crazy... | 16:41 |
| tpeoples | acabot_: :) | 16:42 |
| jwcroppe | acabot_: you should use Notes :) | 16:42 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe: lol | 16:42 |
| acabot_ | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 16:42 |
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| edleafe | jwcroppe: don't be mean! | 16:42 |
| jwcroppe | lol | 16:42 |
| acabot_ | I'd like to discuss BP regarding the Nova load balancer | 16:42 |
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| sballe | acabot_: +1 | 16:43 |
| alexchadin | Okay | 16:43 |
| acabot_ | to my understanding, it implies to change the nova configuration and this is something we definitely dont want to do | 16:43 |
| alexchadin | We've made videos | 16:43 |
| tpeoples | acabot_: are you referring to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload specifically? | 16:43 |
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| acabot_ | tpeoples: yes | 16:44 |
| tpeoples | i think that seems to be two specific algorithms (underload / overload) that would be written for watcher specific to the "reactive" part of watcher, which relies in getting the CEP working for that ? | 16:45 |
| samarinvv | acabot_: In Tokyo we discussed, what Watcher already have some improvements to Nova functionality what we ned | 16:45 |
| mehdi__ | btw, who are Antoine Cabot and Jean-Émile DARTOIS? | 16:46 |
| jwcroppe | I'm not seeing anything in there that would require a change to nova? | 16:46 |
| acabot_ | mehdi__: sorry I am Antoine, and Jean-Emile is jed56 | 16:46 |
| mehdi__ | tnx | 16:46 |
| tpeoples | what needs to change in nova for that blueprint samarinvv acabot_ ? | 16:47 |
| jwcroppe | acabot_: time check ... 13 mins remaining | 16:47 |
| alexchadin | there is some changes in nova libvirt driver and nova db (models, api) | 16:47 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe: yes sorry for that I looked at the videos at the end of the agenda just before the meeting and it seems to me that Nova has been modified | 16:48 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Hmm I think we have tested something similar | 16:48 |
| samarinvv | and extend nova-api | 16:48 |
| jwcroppe | alexchadin: It's not clear to me why you'd need model/api changes for what's written in the description? we can take that offline tho | 16:48 |
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| tpeoples | +1 jwcroppe , seems to me that could be implemented without nova changes. let's maybe get a written summary of the needed changes for next meeting and go from there? | 16:49 |
| acabot_ | alexchadin: what do you think ? | 16:50 |
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| samarinvv | acabor_: Ok, we should discuss this offline | 16:50 |
| alexchadin | we are on the way to leave nova code | 16:50 |
| samarinvv | *acabot | 16:50 |
| alexchadin | jwcroppe: it could be good | 16:50 |
| acabot_ | alexchadin: samarinvv: ok that we can start iterate through a more detail spec right ? | 16:51 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 16:51 |
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| samarinvv | ok, right | 16:51 |
| acabot_ | as we now have a watcher-specs repo, we can start working on it and review specs | 16:51 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 16:52 |
| acabot_ | it would be easier to discuss it later on | 16:52 |
| samarinvv | okay, we should prepare some for next meeting to discuss | 16:52 |
| sballe | acabot_: +1 | 16:52 |
| tpeoples | that's what i meant by written summary :$ | 16:52 |
| jwcroppe | acabot_, sballe: any further detail on mid-cycle to discuss this week? | 16:52 |
| acabot_ | but anyway thx for the videos, its really helpful to understand your current status | 16:52 |
| sballe | I have not heard back from Orran yet | 16:53 |
| sballe | give him 2 more weeks and then after we can look at planB | 16:53 |
| acabot_ | ok just to let all know about it, we plan a mid-cycle meetup end of January in Boston, MA | 16:53 |
| mehdi__ | link to the video? | 16:53 |
| jwcroppe | ok, was Orran going to host at Boston Univ potentially? | 16:53 |
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| acabot_ | medhi__: in the agenda | 16:54 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: see above | 16:54 |
| samarinvv | acabot_: thanks for watching | 16:54 |
| acabot_ | samarinvv: which of your 2 BP you want to start providing detailed specs ? | 16:55 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: saw that, just wasn't sure if that was your pending question to him... | 16:55 |
| alexchadin | acabot_: overload | 16:56 |
| acabot_ | ok thx | 16:56 |
| samarinvv | acabot_: overload | 16:56 |
| samarinvv | ok | 16:56 |
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| acabot_ | #action acabot_ set overload BP as started | 16:56 |
| sballe | I sent him email several time but I know heis busy | 16:56 |
| jwcroppe | np | 16:56 |
| acabot_ | ok so before the end, ICCLab & Create-net please complete the agenda with links to your current work | 16:57 |
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| acabot_ | we will look at it before next meeting and see how we can iterate from it | 16:57 |
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| cdupont | OK, thanks acabot_! | 16:58 |
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| acabot_ | thanks for this great meeting, I will go back to my day off ;-) | 16:58 |
| mehdi__ | great | 16:58 |
| sballe | lol | 16:59 |
| mehdi__ | have a nice evening all | 16:59 |
| acabot_ | thanks bye | 16:59 |
| mehdi__ | bye | 16:59 |
| acabot_ | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| samarinvv | have a nice day! | 16:59 |
| sballe | bye have a nice day | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 16:59:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| alexstav_ | Bye-bye, thanks | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-11-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-11-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-11-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
| tpeoples | bye | 16:59 |
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| seanmurphy_ | BYE! | 17:00 |
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| jwcroppe | bye. ttyl! | 17:03 |
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| cdupont | bye! | 17:05 |
| jed56 | Bye | 17:06 |
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| lifeless | david-lyle: I've identified the work that needs to be done to unblock the spec, I don't think its actually been done | 17:38 |
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| david-lyle | lifeless: ok, I will revisit the spec, just scanned the responses after vacation | 17:39 |
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| TravT | tqtran: is there a horizon driver's meeting right now? | 20:02 |
| tqtran | i thought there was | 20:02 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: is there a horizon driver's meeting, or did that get changed? | 20:02 |
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| tqtran | but i dont see anyone else on | 20:02 |
| mrunge | there should be, no? | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:03 |
| TravT | well, there's the usual suspects | 20:03 |
| TravT | :) | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | d-oh utc | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 20:03:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:04 |
| TravT | yeah, i just went in and updated my meeting reminders to be based on utc | 20:04 |
| * david-lyle tries to refocus | 20:04 | |
| david-lyle | aha, no agenda | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | #topic priorities | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:05 | |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | for anyone who missed it, or forgot, those were the priorities we arrived at for mitaka | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: I started working on you plugin doc patch today | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | which was up there and the other doc patches are moving forward so that's half the critical items in progress | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | a couple more weeks and we can go home for 5 months | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Dont we all workm from home anyway? | 20:08 |
| tqtran | home is where he heart is | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | alright then | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | #topic midcycle | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:09 | |
| david-lyle | we discussed briefly the possibility of a midcycle this morning | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | most people seem to be interested based on conversations | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I will privately be soliciting potential hosts | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I can offer Santa Clara and Portland | 20:10 |
| TravT | I'm sure I can get an HP site somewhere. | 20:10 |
| tqtran | same here, can host at an IBM site somewhere as well | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | so places and dates are needed, since this is my second day back, I haven't gotten far :) | 20:10 |
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| TravT | i think we should try for southern california, florida, etc | 20:11 |
| TravT | somewhere warm... | 20:11 |
| tqtran | yes, warm weather will be nice | 20:11 |
| mrunge | +1 | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s has his heart set on San Diego | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | not sure who could host there though | 20:11 |
| TravT | yeah, i kinda placed that bug in his ear... | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | some unlucky airbnb? | 20:12 |
| mrunge | which makes it a bit more expensive for Europeans | 20:12 |
| TravT | Maybe southern italy, then? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | A bit expensive for the Europeans employers* ;) | 20:12 |
| mrunge | I guess, I could find a conference room in Brno (Czech republic) | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I will start compiling a list | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | ping me if you realistically have a hosting offer :) | 20:13 |
| tqtran | so... southern Italy then? | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | tqtran: +1 | 20:13 |
| TravT | You can write down Fort Collins, Seattle, Sunnyvale for HPE. I don't think I have to even ask about those. Just need time to schedule. | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | I think we could get 5 companies in the SJC area | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | #topic summit feedback | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit feedback (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:15 | |
| tqtran | yeah, theres two IBM sites in SJ, and Im sure Austin will also be open for grabs | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | I asked this morning as well but any feedback on the summit? | 20:15 |
| doug-fish | probably can skip Austin for the midcycle since the summit will be there | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | to either feed up or just in general for next time | 20:15 |
| mrunge | I found it quite productive | 20:16 |
| tqtran | yes, arrived at priorities pretty quick | 20:16 |
| TravT | i thought it was good, except i didn't like that the design summit overlapped more with the main conference than normal. | 20:16 |
| TravT | felt like there was less opportunity to go to other sessions. | 20:17 |
| tqtran | less days, i dont think it could hav ebeen avoided | 20:17 |
| TravT | yeah | 20:17 |
| mrunge | yeah, I had to skip at least 2 horizon sessions due to parallel other sessions | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Its going back to 5 next time | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | some this morning mentioned that the more rapid convergence may have been in part due to the midcycle | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | so I think that illustrates some value | 20:18 |
| mrunge | it seems we all were more on the same side | 20:18 |
| tqtran | good point.... that seems likely | 20:18 |
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| tqtran | that was for david's comment btw lol | 20:19 |
| mrunge | would end of january to late for midcycle? | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | I wouldn't think so | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | No, that sounds about right | 20:19 |
| mrunge | just a silly idea, as there is FOSDEM in Brussels, which is a AWESOME conference | 20:20 |
| tqtran | it should be sometime in jan i think, nov and dec are mostly american holidays | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | Austin is April 25-29 | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | and release is april 7 | 20:21 |
| TravT | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 20:22 |
| mrunge | so, 2 months before release might be a bit too late for *mid* cycle... | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | won't FOSDEM already be too busy | 20:22 |
| TravT | Maybe last week of Mitaka-2? | 20:22 |
| TravT | Jan 16th? | 20:22 |
| mrunge | I was just trying to talk you to visiting Brussels ;-) | 20:23 |
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| mrunge | but it's *cold* there | 20:23 |
| TravT | i'd happily go to europe... probably have same problem as you coming the US. much harder to get approval for mid-cycles. | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | let me find some option and we can vote | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | *options | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | any other summit feedback | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | ? | 20:24 |
| mrunge | yeah. makes sense | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | the later the better for me this time around, but that's just me | 20:25 |
| mrunge | would it be possible to get some tables in the hall next time? | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: in which hall? | 20:25 |
| mrunge | I found those more informal meeting points (outside of sessions) quite useful in the past | 20:25 |
| tqtran | ah yes, great idea | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | there was the dev lounge room/lunch room | 20:26 |
| mrunge | like in Vancouver, there were several possibilities | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | Ohhh, like the tables in Paris? | 20:26 |
| mrunge | oh yes | 20:26 |
| mrunge | someting like that | 20:26 |
| tqtran | we need a horizon sign somewhere though, the dev lounge was too scattered | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | We could just make ourselves a little sign :) | 20:26 |
| doug-fish | Maybe we can fly one of those t-shirts | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: Excellent idea | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: you beat me too it | 20:27 |
| mrunge | this time, we had meetings all days, but barely a chance to do something in smaller groups | 20:27 |
| mrunge | just an idea... | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | or ducttape_'s shirt | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I agree | 20:27 |
| TravT | i actually think contributors meetup might be better with several smaller tables than one giant table | 20:28 |
| mrunge | maybe we could even reduce sessions for horizon by one or two? | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | I think the extra day will help | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I'd be fine with that | 20:28 |
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| mrunge | this time, we talked 3-4 times about angular in general | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | Heh :p | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I expected it to take more time :P | 20:29 |
| mrunge | heh ;-) | 20:29 |
| mrunge | not saying, it wasn't useful | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | want to review the new crop of bps ? :-D | 20:30 |
| mrunge | first one, fresh from today: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/local-settings-override-mechanism | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/local-settings-override-mechanism | 20:31 |
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| * david-lyle was digging them up | 20:31 | |
| robcresswell | Oh yeah, I was discussing this with him this morning | 20:31 |
| mrunge | I think, we started discussing something like this at the summit | 20:31 |
| * doug-fish is confused | 20:32 | |
| david-lyle | I was discussing this yesterday and this deviates from the approach I would prefer | 20:32 |
| tqtran | what is the approach you prefer? | 20:33 |
| TravT | david-lyle: was this the rambling going on in the room yesterday? | 20:33 |
| TravT | with enabled files? | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | TravT: Sounds about right | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | not to mention it's already covered in the blanket https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/plugin-sanity bp | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yeah | 20:33 |
| TravT | ok, i tried to follow, but go a bit lost | 20:33 |
| TravT | do you have a summary? | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | essentially, for the themes, you need a setting to indicate the path to the theme | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | when installing a package containing the theme, it's not in the packages scope to go and edit the horizon settings file | 20:35 |
| mrunge | yeah, one can not override theme path | 20:35 |
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| david-lyle | currently with the plugin mechanism we don't support adding/overriding settings either | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | but that is planned behavior | 20:36 |
| mrunge | that makes themes unusable in packages | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | without manual intervention | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | so there are two proposals | 20:36 |
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| david-lyle | although 1 has variants | 20:37 |
| TravT | So the ability to do this, sounds like a +1 | 20:37 |
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| tqtran | question..... when installing a package containing the theme, couldnt it just import horizon setting and override? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | 1st add the ability to override settings in plugins | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I think the ability to add settings is a given, but they should be namespaced to the plugin generally | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: no | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | packages shouldn't alter other packages when installed | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | otherwise the second package is corrupted | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | and not reliable or updatable generally | 20:39 |
| tqtran | taking a step back, why would you install a theme package if there is no intention to use it? | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | or removable, etc | 20:39 |
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| robcresswell | tqtran: ? | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: that's not really the point | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | but you could install several | 20:39 |
| tqtran | i think theme and plugins arent two different things. not really seeing the reason for mixing them | 20:40 |
| tqtran | *are | 20:40 |
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| david-lyle | tqtran: I don't see the need to create another random python file loading system | 20:40 |
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| david-lyle | and plugins now can add/remove or move content | 20:41 |
| TravT | i think only allowing one theme package to be installed would not be good. | 20:41 |
| tqtran | we dont have to, im making the assumption that only one theme package will get install | 20:41 |
| TravT | we'd want to be able to toggle which one is active independently | 20:41 |
| tqtran | hm.... thats true... | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: that's not a fair assumption when considering the per user theme selection | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | which is proposed | 20:41 |
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| tqtran | ok never then :D | 20:42 |
| tqtran | *never mind | 20:42 |
| mrunge | tqtran, it's more a general issue, not even connected to theme packages | 20:42 |
| mrunge | it affects all plugins | 20:42 |
| tqtran | mrunge: yep, i think i am starting to get it | 20:42 |
| mrunge | but yes, you're right, it started from a theme plugin | 20:43 |
| tqtran | so help me understand how we are going allow overriding of themes? or is that the problem we dont have a good answer for yet? | 20:43 |
| tqtran | *overrding of settings | 20:43 |
| mrunge | exactly | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | That's what is up for discussion | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | :) | 20:44 |
| tqtran | gotcha... huhuhu | 20:44 |
| TravT | well, david-lyle mentioned per user... a settings file override wouldn't achieve that | 20:44 |
| mrunge | currently you can not override CUSTOM_THEME_PATH | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | TravT: that's a slightly different issue, but demonstrates the multi-theme requirement | 20:45 |
| tqtran | what if you want to override CUSTOM_THEME_PATH but are not installing any plugins? | 20:45 |
| TravT | that would be some other mechanism, yes? unless you allow settings with group by something else like project or domain... | 20:45 |
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| mrunge | tqtran, same issue | 20:46 |
| tqtran | TravT er... that would be bad, I am thinking that user settings should be stored client-side | 20:46 |
| mrunge | in package world, you can not change local_settings file depending on installed plugins | 20:46 |
| TravT | so, is there a competing blueprint? | 20:47 |
| tqtran | no, i think the per user settings should be handled differently | 20:47 |
| doug-fish | shouldn't the local_settings file always be the last word in what a setting should be? | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | It's kind of two distinct issues, IMO. You can't do settings via enabled, and you cant have enabled files without content (i.e. settings only) | 20:47 |
| doug-fish | otherwise how does an admin know how to update? | 20:47 |
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| doug-fish | very_local_settings.py maybe | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | competing is the larger plugin bp | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: lol | 20:48 |
| tqtran | plus, if you have 2 plugins competing for the same setting, that would then depend on load order, which could be bad? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | but it's light on details, just has a task | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | but I expected it to be incorporated into the enabled files | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | that's why there is a load order | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | a clearly defined one | 20:49 |
| tqtran | but now, the user is force to look through all the enabled files to locate which plugin loaded SETTING_A last | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | but a general theme plugin, I would not expect to use the enabled files or even a plugin necessarily | 20:49 |
| tqtran | and if you have 10 different settings you are looking out for, it could get very messy | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | maybe a plugin and a manual edit of settings | 20:50 |
| doug-fish | I'd think local_settings should always remain the final authority on what a setting should be | 20:50 |
| mrunge | tqtran, but that's still better than 'you can't modify'? | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | for a company based theme, that's where setting the default becomes valuable | 20:50 |
| doug-fish | and we should be selective about what we provide in that file | 20:51 |
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| doug-fish | so the priority is settings->enabled files->local_settings | 20:51 |
| tqtran | mrunge: i'm still not understanding why a packager cant modify local_settings? | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: not entirely sure that works | 20:51 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, that would make overriding impossible | 20:52 |
| doug-fish | tqtran: it's because a file needs to belong to one package | 20:52 |
| doug-fish | how so? | 20:52 |
| doug-fish | We should only have things in local_settings that the user has explicitly chosen | 20:52 |
| doug-fish | defaults should be in settings | 20:52 |
| mrunge | tqtran, changing a config file due to context of installed combinations of other packages becomes messy | 20:53 |
| mrunge | and it's clearly defined, a file belongs to a *single* package | 20:53 |
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| mrunge | besides, changing a config file would involve most probably a shell script (or so) | 20:54 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: does local_settings belong to any package? | 20:54 |
| mrunge | yes, it does | 20:54 |
| mrunge | to openstack-dashbard | 20:54 |
| mrunge | +o somewhere | 20:54 |
| mrunge | one would change local_settings by installing a plugin | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: these are distribution packages, not pure upstream | 20:55 |
| doug-fish | yep understood | 20:55 |
| mrunge | the last installed plugin would then dictate the contents of local_settings? | 20:55 |
| doug-fish | I'd expect local_Settings to be a user editable file - wasn't sure that would belong to a package | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I think there are two things | 20:55 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, that is a config file | 20:56 |
| mrunge | and nothing has to change that file, other than the user of something like puppet | 20:56 |
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| mrunge | (IMHO) | 20:56 |
| mrunge | s/of/or/ | 20:57 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: got it - thx | 20:57 |
| * david-lyle about to stomp on his own point | 20:57 | |
| doug-fish | don't other projects with plugins have the same issue? | 20:57 |
| doug-fish | is there a known solution/pattern that would work better? | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: where does the apache config for horizon come from in rpms? | 20:57 |
| mrunge | from horizon package | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | actually, those are just drop in files | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | nevermind | 20:58 |
| mrunge | and it's placed in a .d config dir | 20:58 |
| * david-lyle lucky illustrates own point | 20:58 | |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:58 |
| mrunge | the Thomas idea with a local_settings.d is quite straightforward then | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | just not sure the need of another mechanism :/ | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | we have 20 now | 20:59 |
| mrunge | if we can enable updating local_settings by enabled files, there you go | 20:59 |
| mrunge | or some other documented mechanism | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: either takes new code | 21:00 |
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| robcresswell | Do we want to allow plugins to override any setting? | 21:00 |
| tqtran | I like the local_settings.d more, having many places to place your settings is confusing | 21:00 |
| mrunge | yes we should... | 21:00 |
| mrunge | tqtran, +1 | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | tqtran: Isn't this *more* places than just using enabled? | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | so now my plugin needs to drop the enabled file and the local_settings.d file? | 21:01 |
| tqtran | if i installed 10 plugins, and they all are overriding settings.... its a complete mess for me to trace down which ones had the last load | 21:01 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, think about a networking plugin, which requires new/changed neutron settings... | 21:01 |
| mrunge | that would require a manual config change otherwise | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | with it's own precedence scheme that should match the plugin | 21:01 |
| doug-fish | but again - I think local_settings needs to be the final authority on a settings value | 21:02 |
| robcresswell | Yeah the settings would have a different load order than enabled/ | 21:02 |
| doug-fish | and maybe we need fewer values there | 21:02 |
| robcresswell | if we had two mechanisms | 21:02 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, in that case, you can not override settings defined in local_settings | 21:02 |
| doug-fish | yep | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: that doesn't even hold for INSTALLED_APPS | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | which is why plugins work :D | 21:02 |
| doug-fish | maybe INSTALLED_APPS shouldn't be in local_settings by default | 21:03 |
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| alaski | sorry to interrupt, are ya'll just about finished in here? | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | ahh over time | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone we'll pick this up in #openstack-horizn | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | +o | 21:03 |
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| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 21:03:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-11-20.03.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-11-20.03.txt | 21:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-11-20.03.log.html | 21:03 |
| alaski | david-lyle: thanks | 21:04 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | apologies alaski | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 11 21:04:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:04 | |
| alaski | david-lyle: no worries | 21:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:04 |
| mrunge | thanks! | 21:04 |
| alaski | who's here to discuss cells!? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | me is | 21:04 |
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| belmoreira | o/ | 21:05 |
| alaski | great | 21:05 |
| pranav_ | o/ | 21:05 |
| alaski | #topic v1 testing | 21:05 |
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| alaski | I didn't have time to put together a summary of what's been going on, but a ec2 volume test has been failing regularly | 21:06 |
| alaski | due to an apparent race in updating/creating bdms in the parent cell | 21:06 |
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| alaski | for now the test is skipped, but dansmith and mriedem have put some work together at ** https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231858 | 21:07 |
| alaski | any eyes on that would be great | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | I don't think that's all working | 21:07 |
| dansmith | i.e. not needing eyes yet | 21:07 |
| alaski | it's not | 21:07 |
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| alaski | true, review isn't needed yert | 21:07 |
| alaski | *yet | 21:07 |
| alaski | but people can help debug if they'd like | 21:08 |
| dansmith | yes | 21:08 |
| alaski | and the lock_unlock test was recently added to the skiplist | 21:08 |
| alaski | other than that I think things are fairly stable | 21:09 |
| alaski | #topic Specs for Mitaka | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs for Mitaka (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:09 | |
| alaski | If anyone has any specs they should list them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:09 |
| alaski | including me, because I have one open I think | 21:10 |
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| alaski | and I would like to discuss open specs each meeting and I'm going to pull a list from there | 21:11 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:11 | |
| alaski | any reviews needing attention? | 21:11 |
| * alaski suspects not this early in the cycle | 21:11 | |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:12 |
| belmoreira | alaski: we still have the grenade problem with the code for the flavors | 21:12 |
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| belmoreira | we need some help on this | 21:12 |
| alaski | that's the series at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201606/ | 21:13 |
| belmoreira | yes | 21:13 |
| alaski | belmoreira: that should have been fixed when we went into Mitaka and grenade switched from L->M | 21:14 |
| dansmith | yeah, I should get that base grenade patch working again | 21:14 |
| dansmith | that's a prerequisite for the flavors stuff | 21:14 |
| dansmith | I'll try to get that done in the next week | 21:14 |
| alaski | okay, great | 21:14 |
| belmoreira | dansmith: great | 21:14 |
| alaski | so based on the summit outcome my take is that the big work items this cycle are modifying boot to call the scheduler in a new place, persist request-spec, and cell0 | 21:16 |
| alaski | and the flavor migration to set a pattern for future migrations | 21:16 |
| dansmith | yeah, I had some concerns about the flavor thing | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I don't remember what they were, but they might just be outright fear | 21:17 |
| belmoreira | soft delete? | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I think we need to figure out how we're going to draw a box around that to make it graceful and not too painful | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | ah, well, yeah, that wasn't my complaint but I don't recall what the outcome of that was | 21:18 |
| dansmith | really don't want to add soft delete into the cell db, but also don't want to delay any further | 21:18 |
| alaski | I think we said that we would carry it over for now, but I can't recall for sure either | 21:18 |
| dansmith | ugh | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I wonder, | 21:19 |
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| alaski | it's not on the etherpad | 21:19 |
| dansmith | could we use the migration path to help us defer this? | 21:19 |
| dansmith | meaning, | 21:19 |
| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-cells | 21:19 |
| dansmith | er, no that's not going to work | 21:19 |
| alaski | the contention was that it's an API change | 21:20 |
| alaski | since deleted flavors can currently be listed | 21:20 |
| alaski | and we need to tackle that first | 21:20 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:20 |
| dansmith | which is death knell | 21:20 |
| belmoreira | I think Sean will write a spec for it | 21:20 |
| dansmith | but we can't support deleted flavors in older microversions otherwise, | 21:20 |
| dansmith | so I'm not sure how we're going to spec our way out of that box | 21:21 |
| belmoreira | and the outcome was not to block the current work, at leat is what I thought | 21:21 |
| alaski | I think we need to defer that all for now, and carry over soft delete | 21:22 |
| alaski | and by defer I mean let sdague run with his spec | 21:22 |
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| alaski | dansmith: the current migration review attempts to be painless, and online, so if you could list your fears there that would be helpful | 21:23 |
| dansmith | alaski: yeah, I need to remember them and then document the defensible ones I guess | 21:24 |
| sdague | oh, good reminder that I'm supposed to write something up there | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | alaski: I'm generally concerned about the moving things between databases thing | 21:24 |
| dansmith | alaski: and the thing about us not being able to hit graceful API restart this time | 21:24 |
| dansmith | but I have no cats to pull from my hat to make that better, so... | 21:25 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, good point | 21:25 |
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| alaski | I've been starting to think about needing an "atomic move" for instances as well | 21:25 |
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| dansmith | alaski: so, about that | 21:25 |
| alaski | I'll try some different things and share my failure with the group and maybe we can find something | 21:26 |
| dansmith | alaski: we initially talked about not persisting the instance and just using the request spec to answer queries until it's either scheduled or dead in cell0 | 21:26 |
| dansmith | alaski: that would mean no atomic instance move.. have you changed your mind about that? | 21:26 |
| alaski | no | 21:27 |
| alaski | but the problem is still sort of the same right? | 21:27 |
| dansmith | why? | 21:27 |
| dansmith | with flavors, we need to move them from the cell to the api db | 21:27 |
| dansmith | with instances, existing ones stay in the existing db, which becomes the cell | 21:28 |
| alaski | we're moving the request-spec to the cell, albeit in a different format | 21:28 |
| dansmith | and only newly failed instances go into the cell0 | 21:28 |
| dansmith | we're not storing request-spec yet though | 21:28 |
| alaski | I'm thinking of boot, not migration | 21:28 |
| alaski | it is slightly different though, so nvm for now | 21:29 |
| dansmith | right, I'm talking about boot and existing data too | 21:29 |
| dansmith | anyway | 21:29 |
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| alaski | what we want is a copy, ensure it's written, delete operation I think | 21:30 |
| dansmith | yeah, I'm just totally missing why we need that for instances or request spec | 21:30 |
| dansmith | but maybe we can catch up high bw offline and discuss | 21:31 |
| alaski | sure | 21:31 |
| alaski | I'm going to rework the request-spec persistence patch since dansmith went and changed object while I was out | 21:32 |
| alaski | dansmith: do you have any interest in the cell0 or scheduling work? | 21:33 |
| dansmith | I did? | 21:33 |
| alaski | the relationship mappings thing | 21:33 |
| dansmith | well, I changed that in liberty and you haven't been out that long, but okay :) | 21:33 |
| alaski | well, I didn't notice the review comment on it until then :) | 21:34 |
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| dansmith | alaski: I'm too stupid for scheduling stuff, but I guess I need to help with the cell0 and general object support for who-am-i-talking-to, eh? | 21:34 |
| alaski | oh yeah, the object support would be great | 21:35 |
| alaski | melwitt had some initial work on that | 21:35 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161906/ | 21:35 |
| alaski | but there were open questions about it | 21:36 |
| dansmith | ah, cool | 21:36 |
| alaski | anything else to discuss today? | 21:37 |
| alaski | oh, I should mention that we're back to meeting weekly now | 21:38 |
| alaski | I'll send an email out to the ML | 21:38 |
| pranav_ | dansmith : can you point me to that grenade patch? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | pranav_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190399/ | 21:38 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 21:39 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 11 21:39:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-11-11-21.04.html | 21:39 |
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