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| sheeprine | Hi guys, I'm finally back from Japan. Is there anyone here for the cloudkitty meeting? | 14:17 |
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| sheeprine | huats: gpocentek: ^ | 14:17 |
| huats | I am here | 14:18 |
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| sheeprine | Okay I'm waiting 5 minutes for people and if we are only two we'll postpone this meeting to next week. | 14:18 |
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| sheeprine | Ok I guess we are only two, we'll postpone it to next week. | 14:24 |
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| huats | ok sheeprine | 14:36 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 15:01:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:01 |
| flwang | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ryansb | hey folks | 15:02 |
| flwang | ryansb: hey there | 15:02 |
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| flwang | o/ | 15:03 |
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| exploreshaifali | \o | 15:03 |
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| flwang | we still miss our ex-PTL | 15:03 |
| vkmc | we all do | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:03 |
| flwang | he is enjoying the Glance PTL to much i think :) | 15:03 |
| flwang | s/to/too | 15:04 |
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| exploreshaifali | yea seems like he is! | 15:04 |
| vkmc | flaper87, come baaaaaaack | 15:04 |
| exploreshaifali | flaper87, come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack | 15:04 |
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| exploreshaifali | :D | 15:04 |
| Eva-i | hello | 15:04 |
| exploreshaifali | hey Eva-i :) | 15:05 |
| flwang | ok, let's start | 15:05 |
| flwang | #topic code review | 15:05 |
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| flwang | as you may know, we're heavily working on the client side | 15:06 |
| flwang | so many(don't ask me define 'many') patches are coming | 15:06 |
| flwang | please, please review them | 15:06 |
| flwang | because based on our plan, we would like to complete the zaqar client work in Mitaka-1 and there are only 2 weeks | 15:07 |
| flwang | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:08 |
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| flwang | pls review this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242287/ which is blocking the py34 gate job | 15:09 |
| ryansb | you mean client as in zaqarclient, not browser-client, right? | 15:09 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, sorry for the confusion | 15:10 |
| exploreshaifali | what is browser client? | 15:10 |
| ryansb | I mean the horizon dashboard as a "client" | 15:11 |
| exploreshaifali | okay :) | 15:11 |
| exploreshaifali | Thanks! | 15:11 |
| flwang | ryansb: that's another topic on today agenda :) | 15:11 |
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| ryansb | flwang: ok, just wanted to make sure I was thinking right. | 15:11 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, thanks | 15:11 |
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| flwang | #topic task assignments | 15:13 |
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| flwang | now we're using this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-zaqar-assignment to track the assignments for Mitaka to avoid any duplicate work | 15:13 |
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| flwang | so please put your name on that or pick a task from it | 15:14 |
| ryansb | flwang: what exactly is "zaqar ui" - is that a horizon plugin, or a standalone? | 15:14 |
| flwang | ryansb: it's the horizon plugin | 15:14 |
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| flwang | ryansb: but it's a standalone git repo/project | 15:15 |
| flwang | under openstack | 15:15 |
| ryansb | yeah, gotcha | 15:15 |
| flwang | for that one, we still need to follow the normal process to create a new project | 15:15 |
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| Eva-i | I'll try to get familiar with python zaqar client soon, so I can code review it. | 15:16 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it would be awesome | 15:16 |
| flwang | btw, if anybody want to go through the zaqar-ui creating, you can follow this one http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 15:17 |
| flwang | otherwise, i have to take it :0) | 15:18 |
| exploreshaifali | oh! that link contain all details to creat a new repo under openstack | 15:18 |
| flwang | exploreshaifali: yes | 15:18 |
| exploreshaifali | Awesome! | 15:18 |
| exploreshaifali | thanks flwang I will look into it! | 15:18 |
| flwang | exploreshaifali: do you want to take it? | 15:18 |
| exploreshaifali | yes yes :D | 15:19 |
| flwang | exploreshaifali: if so, pls replace my name with your name on the etherpad | 15:19 |
| flwang | and a big thanks from me :) | 15:19 |
| exploreshaifali | flwang, I have added my name there just after you | 15:19 |
| flwang | exploreshaifali: ok, we can work together | 15:19 |
| exploreshaifali | Great | 15:20 |
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| flwang | therve: hello | 15:21 |
| therve | Hey | 15:21 |
| flwang | seems you're busy recently :) | 15:21 |
| flwang | much work in heat? | 15:21 |
| therve | Enough for sure :) | 15:21 |
| flwang | ok, anything we should talk about task assignment? | 15:22 |
| Eva-i | what is "Sqlalchemy DB migration" in etherpad? | 15:22 |
| flwang | Eva-i: we support sqlalchemy as the control plane driver | 15:22 |
| therve | flwang, Not that I know. If you need help on something let me know, I'll see what I can do | 15:22 |
| flwang | but we don't support db migration for that | 15:22 |
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| vkmc | yeah, that's a big one in the todo list | 15:23 |
| flwang | therve: i will take your rest bandwidth for sure :) | 15:23 |
| flwang | vkmc: +1 | 15:23 |
| flwang | vkmc: the good news is it shouldn't be very hard since we just need to follow the normal way as the other projects did | 15:24 |
| vkmc | indeed! | 15:24 |
| exploreshaifali | db migrations means migrating from one storage to another like from sqlalchemy to mongo? | 15:25 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, nope | 15:25 |
| vkmc | schema's migrations | 15:25 |
| flwang | guys, if you found i didn't reply more than 5 mins, then i must have slept :) | 15:25 |
| flwang | now it's 4:25 am in NZ | 15:26 |
| vkmc | flwang, whaaaaaaaa? I should chair this meeting next time | 15:26 |
| vkmc | you should be sleepin | 15:26 |
| vkmc | g | 15:26 |
| exploreshaifali | vkmc, ok, but I think zaqar database is fixed | 15:26 |
| exploreshaifali | why one will need migrations? | 15:26 |
| flwang | exploreshaifali: no | 15:26 |
| ryansb | exploreshaifali: no, just the between versions of sqlalchemy schemas | 15:26 |
| flwang | no fixed | 15:26 |
| ryansb | exploreshaifali: between versions we may add/remove fields | 15:26 |
| ryansb | so we need to enable operators/users to upgrade their storage and keep all their existing data | 15:27 |
| ryansb | while becoming compatible with whatever new features we added | 15:27 |
| exploreshaifali | okay! Make sense :) | 15:28 |
| Eva-i | is something like this implemented for mongodb? | 15:28 |
| exploreshaifali | Thanks! | 15:28 |
| vkmc | nosql databases don't require this | 15:28 |
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| Eva-i | yeah oka | 15:28 |
| flwang | Eva-i: not really, since mongodb is nosql | 15:28 |
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| flwang | if there is anybody want to take this big job, it would be super awesome | 15:29 |
| flwang | and who will get 2 big NZ chocolates for sure | 15:29 |
| vkmc | I was supposed to work on client v2, but since mdnadeem took that job, I can take this one | 15:30 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:30 |
| flwang | vkmc: i love you | 15:30 |
| vkmc | flwang, love you too <3 | 15:30 |
| flwang | vkmc: just let me know if you need a hand | 15:31 |
| vkmc | flwang, will do | 15:31 |
| vkmc | we want this for m-1, right? | 15:31 |
| vkmc | two weeks from now | 15:31 |
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| flwang | vkmc: now i owe you some chocolates | 15:31 |
| flwang | vkmc: not really | 15:31 |
| flwang | i don't think it's an urgent work | 15:31 |
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| vkmc | that chocolates you have... damn they are good | 15:32 |
| vkmc | you don't owe me anything though :D haha | 15:32 |
| flwang | personally, i would target it for m-2 and leave 1 milestone to test it | 15:32 |
| vkmc | it's my pleasure to contribute to Zaqar | 15:32 |
| vkmc | great | 15:32 |
| vkmc | let's do that then | 15:32 |
| flwang | vkmc: awesome awesome | 15:32 |
| vkmc | flwang++ | 15:33 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: around? | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | here | 15:34 |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: i saw your updates on the etherpad | 15:34 |
| jasondotstar | flwang: status on the puppet zaqar module..... still in progress. I got the info I needed from zigo | 15:34 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: awesome | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | and I'm updating the etherpad with what we need.... | 15:35 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: so is there any outlook/target for a workable version? | 15:35 |
| flwang | not pushy, just wondering :) | 15:35 |
| jasondotstar | the next day should yield the debian automation stuff | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | then we need to tackle what conf options | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | we want to expose | 15:36 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: cool, i can help on the reference conf options | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | i think we talked a little bit about exposing a few items but I'll need some help on that | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | flwang: +1 | 15:37 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: just ping me | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | I'll add that to the etherpad as a line item too | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | flwang: ack. | 15:37 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: haha, cool | 15:37 |
| ryansb | (just grabbed the presigned URL item) | 15:37 |
| flwang | ryansb: that's my favorite ;) | 15:38 |
| flwang | since that's the key for sahara integration | 15:38 |
| ryansb | and heat (for swconfig) | 15:38 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, thanks for taking that one | 15:39 |
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| flwang | ok, anything we need to talk as for this topic? | 15:40 |
| flwang | i don't have more topic today | 15:40 |
| flwang | anything you guys want to discuss? | 15:40 |
| flwang | #topic open discussion | 15:41 |
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| flwang | nope? | 15:41 |
| ryansb | oh, I have one thing | 15:42 |
| flwang | ryansb: yes? | 15:42 |
| ryansb | I discovered that the new client plugin seems to fail when the OS_AUTH_URL is missing a version | 15:42 |
| ryansb | I was going to raise a bug/submit a fix | 15:42 |
| ryansb | but has anyone else seen this? | 15:42 |
| flwang | ryansb: md and me are working on the client authorized issue | 15:43 |
| flwang | not sure if they're related, but we can work together | 15:43 |
| flwang | ryansb: feel free file a bug anyway | 15:43 |
| ryansb | ok, cool | 15:43 |
| flwang | ryansb: great | 15:43 |
| Eva-i | Are email subscriptions working in Zaqar? | 15:44 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yes, why? | 15:44 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: just tried it and for me it didn't worked, okay, we can discuss it later | 15:44 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool | 15:45 |
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| flwang | we can talk it later, just ping me | 15:45 |
| flwang | ok, i'm sleepy, TBH | 15:45 |
| flwang | anything we need to talk today? | 15:45 |
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| ryansb | nothing else from me | 15:45 |
| flwang | otherwise, we already have a great meeting today | 15:46 |
| Eva-i | I'll just remind you to review this little patch today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242287/ Also maybe we should make exception message more informative? See my comment in the code. | 15:46 |
| Eva-i | nothing else from me too | 15:46 |
| flwang | Eva-i: thanks, will take a look | 15:46 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 15:46:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-16-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| flwang | thank you guys | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-16-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-16-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| ryansb | thanks team! | 15:46 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 16:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| jklare | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| jklare | i will wait for 10min for people to join and close the meeting after that if nobody does | 16:02 |
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| sc` | o/ | 16:09 |
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| jklare | hi sc` | 16:09 |
| sc` | howdy | 16:09 |
| jklare | anything you want to talk about? | 16:09 |
| sc` | if j^2 were around, perhaps his alternate packaging idea | 16:10 |
| j^2 | yep, i’m here | 16:10 |
| jklare | cool | 16:10 |
| j^2 | sorry, caught up in a meeting | 16:10 |
| jklare | no worries | 16:10 |
| sc` | oh right. forgot the double duty D: | 16:10 |
| j^2 | :( | 16:10 |
| j^2 | do we have an agenda for this meeting? | 16:11 |
| j^2 | i forget | 16:11 |
| jklare | nope | 16:11 |
| j^2 | ah | 16:11 |
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| j^2 | ok, well…. | 16:11 |
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| jklare | i think we do not need an agenda for 1-4 people :) | 16:11 |
| j^2 | yeah i guess that makes sense | 16:12 |
| jklare | so, sc` said you had an alternative packaging idea j^2 ? | 16:12 |
| j^2 | yeah giftwrap | 16:12 |
| j^2 | https://github.com/blueboxgroup/giftwrap/blob/master/README.md | 16:12 |
| sc` | i was looking at that a bit. haven't played with it yet | 16:13 |
| j^2 | basically, that was the conversation i was having with the bluebox guys when we were in Dev Lounge jklare | 16:13 |
| j^2 | it’ll uncouple us from upstream pkgs so we can just “configure” the code | 16:13 |
| jklare | you are talking about giftwrap? | 16:13 |
| j^2 | yep | 16:14 |
| jklare | https://github.com/blueboxgroup/giftwrap | 16:14 |
| j^2 | yep the readme is above | 16:14 |
| jklare | ah, did not see that | 16:14 |
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| jklare | i should read before writing.... | 16:14 |
| jklare | sry | 16:14 |
| j^2 | ha! | 16:14 |
| jklare | so, yeah i think this looks nice, but for now i have no idea how to properly make use of that inside of our cookbooks | 16:15 |
| j^2 | so this _could_ be an answer for our pkging problems | 16:15 |
| j^2 | yeah same here, but i wanted to see what y’all thought before going any deeper | 16:15 |
| jklare | if we want to decouple from upstream packaging, we should write this down into a spec i think | 16:16 |
| sc` | all we do is point at the repo endpoints | 16:16 |
| jklare | right | 16:16 |
| sc` | how the packages get there don't matter to us at this point | 16:16 |
| sc` | but yeah, should go in a spec | 16:16 |
| jklare | that means if we want to do that, we need to host these packages somewhere after building them | 16:16 |
| j^2 | jklare: totally, but before I run with that i wanted to take any major issues i haven’t thought of | 16:16 |
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| j^2 | jklare: i don’t think so, i think the pkgs might be built on the fly? | 16:17 |
| j^2 | but i’m not 100% sure | 16:17 |
| sc` | it's infrastructure we have to maintain and support | 16:17 |
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| jklare | if we build the packages on the fly, we need to install docker, run the build, get the package, uninstall docker and then install the package | 16:18 |
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| jklare | i think thats not a very good option | 16:18 |
| j^2 | true | 16:18 |
| sc` | if we build the packages on the fly, where will this be done? would we need to get infra resources? | 16:18 |
| j^2 | yeah i’m not sure, i haven’t ran through the whole thing yet | 16:18 |
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| sc` | seems like a heavyweight operation | 16:18 |
| j^2 | there has to be a place we can host the pkgs though, there has to be | 16:19 |
| jklare | giftwrap basically starts docker containers to automate the build process of packages | 16:19 |
| j^2 | it doesnt have to use docker | 16:19 |
| sc` | good for folks like us ($job) but maybe not so much unless we're able to get some kind of resources to throw at this | 16:19 |
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| jklare | the great thing about giftwrap is the why how its figures out the py dependencies | 16:19 |
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| j^2 | yep, that’s the gist | 16:19 |
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| jklare | and now for something completely different: we cut stable/liberty last week i think and merged most of the necessary repos | 16:22 |
| jklare | :) | 16:23 |
| sc` | a great turnaround on shipping liberty after how long it took to get kilo out the door | 16:23 |
| jklare | i pushed up the bash i used, since i hated to do the steps described in our wiki manually | 16:23 |
| jklare | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenstackChefStablebranchCreateNotes#Steps_to_create_stable.2F_branch | 16:23 |
| j^2 | ROCK ON man, that’s bad ass | 16:24 |
| j^2 | yeah doing it by hand is bullshit | 16:24 |
| jklare | :) | 16:24 |
| sc` | jklare: that's awesome. makes things much easier | 16:24 |
| jklare | my collegue calbers started the work on mitaka with refactoring the compute cookbook and i think he has nearly finished step 1) removing all the default attributes | 16:26 |
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| jklare | sadly he is on holiday this week, so we will not see the push before next week | 16:26 |
| jklare | i wanted to start looking on the networking cookbook tomorrow and maybe i can push step 1 and 2 this week | 16:26 |
| jklare | depending on the amount of 'end of the year' stuff that pops up in my calendar | 16:27 |
| jklare | :) | 16:27 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:28 |
| jklare | i also -2ed 2 patches this morning that wanted to add some more configuration attributes by commenting on them, that this can go into stable/liberty, but not into master until we have refactored everything | 16:28 |
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| j^2 | makes sense, | 16:29 |
| sc` | yup | 16:29 |
| jklare | i think there might be some more patches like this and imo we should move most of them to stable/liberty to allow people to work on the cookbooks for liberty while we refactor for mitaka | 16:29 |
| jklare | not sure if we should do the moving or just leave a comment like i did | 16:30 |
| sc` | i agree. probably at least a communication to the ml | 16:30 |
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| sc` | might be worthwhile to just do the moving, unless there's suddenly a huge influx of changes | 16:32 |
| jklare | agreed | 16:32 |
| sc` | for the most part, just education and awareness will be enough | 16:32 |
| jklare | ok | 16:32 |
| jklare | just wanted to mention it | 16:32 |
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| j^2 | yep, good that you did, but all in all it’s just lets continue on with what we’re doing? | 16:33 |
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| sc` | so next week we can expect for master to start being broken? | 16:40 |
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| j^2 | i think so | 16:41 |
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| jklare | yep | 16:45 |
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| sc` | should definitely heads-up the ml since we're expecting master to be broken, just to be proactive and get ahead of anyone running into known broken things | 16:49 |
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| jklare | sounds good | 16:51 |
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| jklare | anything else we should talk about? | 16:55 |
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| sc` | i'm good. keeping an eye on rdo packaging efforts in the meantime | 16:56 |
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| jklare | ok, thanks for attending | 16:58 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 16:59:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-16-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-16-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-16-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 17:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi everyone! | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ hey | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | hello all | 17:00 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:00 |
| pc_m | /me lurking | 17:00 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:00 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jroll | #topic Announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
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| rameshg87 | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| vsaienko | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | just a quick reminder that we're now using reno for release notes - please remember to submit release notes with patches where needed, and also to remember to check for them in reviews | 17:01 |
| jroll | see doug's thread on the ML for more details about it | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | for all changes? only substantial changes? | 17:02 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: yeah, primarily substantial changes - think about what we already put in our release notes | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: is there a patch to add release notes for stuff that landed in M* already? | 17:02 |
| jroll | rloo: not yet, I'll be doing that this week | 17:03 |
| * krtaylor needs to read more about it | 17:04 | |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242147/ | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | for those interested | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: thx | 17:04 |
| jroll | anyone have other announcements? | 17:04 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 17:05 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, maybe about mid-cycle | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | folks please take a look at the ML (will grab the link) and vote for either have mid-cycle or not in this cycle | 17:05 |
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| rloo | jroll: maybe about your comment about a release soon? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | ++ | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell_ | o/ | 17:06 |
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| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079119.html | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | that's it | 17:06 |
| jroll | rloo: that was just a stray thought, I need to look at some things before I commit to it :) | 17:06 |
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| rloo | jroll: ok then :D | 17:06 |
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| jroll | thanks for that lucasagomes | 17:07 |
| * jroll moves on | 17:07 | |
| jroll | #topic Subteam status reports | 17:07 |
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| jroll | I'll give everyone (and myself) a moment to review | 17:07 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:07 |
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| rloo | jroll: wrt boot interface, yeah, one patch landed. let me find it... | 17:08 |
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| rameshg87 | rloo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216538/ (not sure if you wanted to put it here) | 17:09 |
| rloo | rameshg87: i put it in the etherpad. thx. | 17:09 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: any updates on nova things? (/me suspects you aren't here and that's fine) | 17:10 |
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| jroll | krotscheck: betherly: any updates on frontend stuff? | 17:10 |
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| rloo | wrt py 2.6 and ironic client. is there some rule or something that says how long we have to support py 2.6? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | rloo, as long as the last release supports it (aka Juno) | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | i.e. when Juno EOL's, we're fine to say goodbye to it | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx. lintan ^^ answer to your question. | 17:12 |
| jroll | well, folks were keeping 2.6 around for clients too | 17:12 |
| pas-ha | rloo, probably when last RHEL w/o default Py27 is EOL'd | 17:12 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that brings up a point we need to discuss -- when do we EOL ironic's juno support? | 17:13 |
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| lucasagomes | I think clients are suppose to continue supporting 2.6 AFAIUI | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | devananda, max(official OpenStack EOL, when nobody actually is ready to support it) | 17:13 |
| jroll | but sounds like the plan is to drop 2.6 for clients now, based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244275/ | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, jroll, I was addressing it | 17:13 |
| devananda | I believe Kilo was our first officially supported release, so we ought to be able to drop py26 now, actually | 17:13 |
| jroll | devananda: this is about the client | 17:13 |
| devananda | jroll: oh. nvm :) | 17:14 |
| jroll | we've dropped 2.6 for the server already | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, jroll, ironic does not support 2.6 for a while. client - when Juno goes EOL | 17:14 |
| jroll | afaik | 17:14 |
| jroll | ok, thanks dtantsur :D | 17:14 |
| devananda | jroll: yah, I thought we had ... | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | (that what I learned last time) | 17:14 |
| * devananda now notices the word "client" in rloo's question | 17:14 | |
| davidlenwell_ | devananda needs more coffeee | 17:14 |
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| lucasagomes | alright cool | 17:15 |
| rloo | so regardless of dropping py26 from oslo, we agree we won't drop from client until after we EOL juno. | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | rloo, if also drops it, we have to as well | 17:15 |
| pas-ha | rloo, client uses oslo stuff | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur, pas-ha: oh right! | 17:15 |
| jroll | juno EOL is happening real soon now, fwiw | 17:15 |
| jroll | which is likely why this is coming up | 17:15 |
| * devananda notes that there is no stable/juno branch of python-ironicclient | 17:16 | |
| dtantsur | yeah, so as long as our first Oslo dep drops Py26, we have to drop it as well, essentially.. | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I think stable branches for clients appeared in Kilo | 17:16 |
| pas-ha | devananda, stable branches in clients appeared in Kilo only AFAIR | 17:16 |
| devananda | right | 17:16 |
| devananda | I'm clearly missing something (besides coffee) | 17:16 |
| jroll | devananda: there's no technical link | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | coffee fixes most of the problems, have some :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | devananda: but folks apparently agreed to drop 2.6 in clients at the same time as juno eol | 17:17 |
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| devananda | jroll: huh | 17:17 |
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| jroll | devananda: I suspect part of that was to not support 2.6 in infra just for clients | 17:18 |
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| rloo | jroll: does that mean one of us should +1 to indicate ironic is good with it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244275/ | 17:18 |
| * dtantsur welcomes freeing some infra resources | 17:18 | |
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| jroll | rloo: yeah, let me verify some things and then I will +1 that and post the same for ironicclient | 17:19 |
| rloo | jroll: thx. i'll add your AI to the subteam report :) | 17:19 |
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| jroll | and probably an ironicclient release with a major version bump to indicate it | 17:19 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, you already added something so we're good | 17:19 |
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| jroll | :) | 17:20 |
| jroll | anything else on subteam report things? | 17:20 |
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| jroll | #topic Open discussion | 17:21 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: I know you had a thing here | 17:21 |
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| vsaienko | I have a question about ironic multi-tenant testing in community. Do we have any thought how to perform it on CI? | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah, thanks | 17:22 |
| jroll | vsaienko: define "multi-tenant testing" | 17:22 |
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| dtantsur | I'd like to mention that we're somewhat stuck in designing a proper OpenStackClient interface for ironic | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | and we need more (MOAR!) opinions: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078998.html | 17:23 |
| pas-ha | jroll, that is how are we going to test the new Ironic/Neutron feature on gates | 17:23 |
| devananda | dtantsur: moar is better :) | 17:23 |
| jroll | vsaienko: pas-ha: oh, we've had a lot of discussion about that within the subteam. people have some ideas and are working on them afaik | 17:23 |
| * lucasagomes have to comment back on the CLI stuff | 17:24 | |
| dtantsur | right now nearly everyone has their own idea how to do it, so I don't even know how to reach a consensus there | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | but I kinda like sambetts's suggestion there | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | maybe we need a spec, maybe some voting, whatever... | 17:24 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i admit, i haven't gotten around to looking at openstackclient and how that translates to the new openstack baremetal commands. Is it clear except for this particular 'provision' one? | 17:24 |
| pas-ha | jroll, we should probably then ask on ironic-neutron subteam meeting then | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | I'm not asking to solve the problem right now, but it would be cool at least to find a direction | 17:24 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, CRUD operations are more or less clear.. it's power and provision that are troublesome | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i would have preferred a spec or something that showed all openstack baremetal * corresponding to existing ironic * commands. | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | OSC has guidelines for CRUD commands | 17:25 |
| jroll | vsaienko: pas-ha: tl;dr create an isolated tenant network in ovs land and make sure things happen as expected (can't access control plane etc) | 17:25 |
| pas-ha | jroll, thanks | 17:25 |
| jroll | np | 17:25 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: it seems like it would be easier (for me) if I saw such a list and could ok it, then it just needs to be implemented. are we doing them each command at a time? | 17:25 |
| devananda | dtantsur: is there a writeup of the broader discussion on OSC somewhere? I was following it pre-summit but lost track since then | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I don't think so... I kind of agree with rloo, we need a spec on it | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | rloo, thrash has a series of patches, with node CRUD already landed IIRC | 17:26 |
| jroll | dtantsur: so, I'll go back to the thread this week, but I tend to think of it like english. "openstack baremetal power off uuid", openstack baremetal deploy uuid, etc. but idk if that matches with their guidelines | 17:26 |
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| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | I like it, | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | deploy==state active, right? | 17:27 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:27 |
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| devananda | for OSC, I'm inclined to go with simple-is-better and hide some of the complexity we might expose in the library | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | for example? | 17:27 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:27 |
| jroll | manage, inspect, provide | 17:28 |
| jroll | teardown | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | jroll, is it a list of commands you suggest? | 17:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I guess, rough brainstorming, I can formalize my thoughts in email | 17:29 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079029.html | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | jroll, please do. it sounds like a good compromise, and it will move the whole process | 17:29 |
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| jroll | most of our verbs seem fine, as is, delete is weird | 17:29 |
| jroll | I will | 17:29 |
| devananda | I'll catch up on the ML thread and respond as well | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | because these patches has been around since end of Kilo | 17:29 |
| jroll | sorry for being mostly afk last week :( | 17:29 |
| sambetts | jroll: thats going towards the suggestion I had, I did a version covering all the current cli fucntionality | 17:29 |
| devananda | looks like a lot of discussion happened last week while I was travelling | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | something like that? | 17:29 |
| jroll | sambetts: right | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah, deleted and active look weird, +1 | 17:30 |
| devananda | "activate" also sounds weird in that context | 17:30 |
| jroll | dtantsur: note that when we want to make a node active, the api request is "deploy" | 17:30 |
| jroll | iirc | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | I'm ok with s/active/deploy/ | 17:30 |
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| sambetts | yeah, that makes sense to me | 17:31 |
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| vdrok | I have a question about ci testing of drivers that are not yet merged - should ci be set up before they are merged in tree? | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | one moment, do we more or less agree on the OSC design? | 17:32 |
| vdrok | e.g. lenovo driver that is being proposed | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | if so, I leave it up to jroll and devananda to communicate, right? | 17:32 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I think we have enough agreement to post that to the ML | 17:32 |
| jroll | and yeah that's fine | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | thanks, I'm giving the mic to vdrok now :) | 17:33 |
| jroll | vdrok: great question, I've been asking myself the same thing recently | 17:33 |
| rloo | could we get that in a spec, eg similar to what sam did in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079029.html | 17:33 |
| devananda | vdrok: i think before we can require that of new drivers, we need to have that set up for existing drivers | 17:33 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ | 17:33 |
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| devananda | vdrok: but in the fullness of time, yes, I think requiring CI as part of a driver submission would be reasonable | 17:33 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, mostly agree | 17:33 |
| jroll | I think this cycle, don't require it but make them aware of the deadlines we're setting | 17:34 |
| devananda | krtaylor: thoughts ^ ? | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | we gave other drivers 2 cycles (counting with this one) to setup the CI | 17:34 |
| jroll | next cycle, totally require it | 17:34 |
| devananda | jroll: right | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | so I think we could accept new drivers for now (beggining of this cycle) | 17:34 |
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| lucasagomes | and let then know that they have to work on the CI soon | 17:34 |
| rloo | jroll: would a subteam/something about third party CI help? don't we need to inform folks first, if that doesn't happen soon, the 2 cycle thing will be later? | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ for next cycle | 17:34 |
| devananda | rloo: we have one already :) | 17:34 |
| vdrok | jroll, yup, makes sense | 17:35 |
| jroll | rloo: comms going out this week btw | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, there's a cross project group about 3rd party ci | 17:35 |
| * lucasagomes finds the wiki | 17:35 | |
| jroll | (this week is later than we wanted, but thingee and myself got busy) | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | sorry, I am in another meeting too, high latency | 17:35 |
| rloo | ok, just want to make sure we don't forget to do whatever (eg communicate) in a timely fashion :) | 17:36 |
| jroll | totally | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | yes, we need to, regardless of the spec status | 17:36 |
| rloo | to be clear, I mean communicating that we expect CI from third party drivers, and this is the plan/timeframe for it to happen, etc. | 17:36 |
| jroll | yep | 17:36 |
| jroll | there's already drafts | 17:37 |
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| jroll | we should also land that spec this week | 17:37 |
| rloo | thx jroll | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | jroll, if you are busy, I can work with thingee and send out the first email | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | jroll, agreed, I'll get a revision to the spec today | 17:37 |
| jroll | krtaylor: nah, I got it. the hard part has been both of us traveling, I'm not going anywhere until thanksgiving day :D | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | perfect | 17:37 |
| sambetts | rloo: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:38 |
| jroll | thank you for the offer though :) | 17:38 |
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| pas-ha | I would remind of an idea from summit to register/enable *all* drivers on the gate, at least in a simple non-voting job | 17:39 |
| sambetts | pas-ha: Its in the spec :) | 17:40 |
| pas-ha | cuz some are totally broken ATM | 17:40 |
| pas-ha | sambetts, cool, thx | 17:40 |
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| jroll | wait | 17:40 |
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| jroll | I think this is different | 17:40 |
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| pas-ha | yes, I just thought so too | 17:41 |
| jroll | what pas-ha is talking about is running a job with enabled_drivers=everything,we,have, | 17:41 |
| pas-ha | exactly | 17:41 |
| jroll | because apparently enabling irmc breaks conductor startup right now | 17:41 |
| jroll | which I totally forgot about | 17:41 |
| sambetts | oooooh! thats an interesting one! | 17:41 |
| jroll | and will add to my todo list to deal with right now | 17:41 |
| devananda | ++ | 17:41 |
| jroll | thanks for the reminder | 17:41 |
| pas-ha | jroll, np | 17:41 |
| jroll | deal with may mean delegating fwiw :P | 17:42 |
| pas-ha | jroll, happy to help | 17:42 |
| jroll | cool, I will ping if needed. thanks | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | ouch | 17:42 |
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| devananda | on the topic of 3rd party CI, I'd like to see the guidelines on it (what we expect, how folks should set it up, etc) in the developer docs, not in the specs repo or wiki | 17:44 |
| pas-ha | basically you don't even have to _enable_ all, just install deps for all/as many as possible | 17:44 |
| jroll | devananda: yes, that's the goal. the spec is informational and to get consensus on the details of the plan | 17:44 |
| devananda | pas-ha: drivers are not in requirements.txt (or variants thereof). what you're suggesting would basically mean we need to add driver-requirements.txt to openstack global reqiurements | 17:45 |
| devananda | because we can't install anything from pip that isn't in g-r within infra gate | 17:46 |
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| pas-ha | devananda, ouch | 17:46 |
| devananda | on top of that, several drivers do not have any installable packages | 17:46 |
| jroll | yeah, it gets weird | 17:46 |
| devananda | eg, they need to be built from source. or the driver author only releases an SDK ... | 17:46 |
| jroll | but I'd like to see what we can do here | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I think we can install anything, if it's only voting on our project, and infra does not have to fix it ;) | 17:47 |
| devananda | we actually pulled a few drivers out of g-r about two cycles ago | 17:47 |
| devananda | dtantsur: nope | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | but yeah, many drivers are not on PyPI | 17:47 |
| jroll | I'd rather this not vote | 17:47 |
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| pas-ha | jroll, sure, as any breakage in a third-party lib could wedge the gate | 17:47 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if it's voting on Ironic, it can affect other projects, and so infra will care | 17:47 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:47 |
| jroll | it's unclear to me if nv jobs can have non-g-r things | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | devananda, ok, I meant to say "only run on ironic and is never voting" | 17:48 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: ah. if non-voting, maybe :) | 17:48 |
| jroll | so like I said, I'll poke around and investigate this | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | jroll, the idea of g-r is to not have gate broken due to problems with dependencies. non-voting jobs can't break gate | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | (at least as I understand the whole system) | 17:49 |
| rloo | when/if we have third party CI, this issue will be tested there right? | 17:49 |
| pas-ha | a simple check to install as much deps as possible and just start Ironic up | 17:49 |
| pas-ha | rloo, sure | 17:49 |
| jroll | rloo: yep | 17:49 |
| rloo | do we want to spend time now dealing with it then? | 17:49 |
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| rloo | I mean, dealing with it outside of third-party CI? | 17:49 |
| vdrok | the deadline for it is end of n, so I think it would be good to have something now | 17:50 |
| devananda | rloo: actually no. third-party CI will only need to install each drivers' requirements | 17:50 |
| devananda | this is about installing _all_ drivers' requirements in the same env --- and making sure they don't conflict | 17:50 |
| pas-ha | rloo, depends on how quick we'd like to give vendors at least some visibility | 17:50 |
| jroll | mmm, so if things conflict that's a problem, gr | 17:50 |
| rloo | devananda: oh, yes, that is a different issue | 17:50 |
| jroll | but | 17:50 |
| jroll | the current issue, as it was explained to me, it just installing scciclient breaks the conductor | 17:51 |
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| pas-ha | jroll, yep | 17:51 |
| devananda | jroll: right. and given how bad pip is at dependency resolution, we're not going to detect conflicts between drivers' dependencies unless they're in gr (and even then, only in some cases) | 17:51 |
| pas-ha | as of Liberty at least | 17:51 |
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| devananda | jroll: hm. ok. if it's that simple, then that drivers' CI should catch it | 17:51 |
| jroll | devananda: I mean, both seem important | 17:51 |
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| jroll | idk, need to investigate offline | 17:52 |
| jroll | just talking about it won't fix it :) | 17:52 |
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| jroll | anything else or should we close this down? | 17:54 |
| rloo | so... what? AI for jroll to file bug/look into 'that' issue wrt irmc. do we want to also enable/import all packages for alldrivers too? | 17:54 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm going to investigate both | 17:54 |
| rloo | jroll: ok thx :) | 17:55 |
| sambetts | I think we should add it to the agenda for Wednesdays CI meeting | 17:55 |
| jroll | +1 do iiit | 17:55 |
| sambetts | will do :) | 17:55 |
| rloo | file bugs please | 17:55 |
| rloo | or specs or ?? | 17:55 |
| jroll | good point | 17:55 |
| jroll | pas-ha: have you filed a bug for this yet? | 17:55 |
| jroll | if not, please do | 17:55 |
| pas-ha | not AFAIK, will retry and do | 17:56 |
| jroll | thanks, reproduction steps would be helpful | 17:56 |
| rloo | 3 minutes left | 17:57 |
| * jroll waits patiently | 17:57 | |
| * rloo wonders what jroll is waiting for. let's end early... | 17:58 | |
| jroll | meh, going to call that a wrap | 17:58 |
| jroll | heh | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:58 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:58 | |
| jroll | thanks everyone! | 17:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 17:58:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-16-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-16-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-16-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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