Monday, 2015-11-16

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sheeprineHi guys, I'm finally back from Japan. Is there anyone here for the cloudkitty meeting?14:17
sheeprinehuats: gpocentek: ^14:17
huatsI am here14:18
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sheeprineOkay I'm waiting 5 minutes for people and if we are only two we'll postpone this meeting to next week.14:18
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sheeprineOk I guess we are only two, we'll postpone it to next week.14:24
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huatsok sheeprine14:36
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flwang#startmeeting zaqar15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 16 15:01:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'15:01
flwang#topic roll call15:02
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ryansbhey folks15:02
flwangryansb: hey there15:02
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flwangwe still miss our ex-PTL15:03
vkmcwe all do15:03
flwanghe is enjoying the Glance PTL to much i think :)15:03
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exploreshaifaliyea seems like he is!15:04
vkmcflaper87, come baaaaaaack15:04
exploreshaifaliflaper87, come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack15:04
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exploreshaifalihey Eva-i :)15:05
flwangok, let's start15:05
flwang#topic code review15:05
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flwangas you may know, we're heavily working on the client side15:06
flwangso many(don't ask me define 'many') patches are coming15:06
flwangplease, please review them15:06
flwangbecause based on our plan, we would like to complete the zaqar client work in Mitaka-1 and there are only 2 weeks15:07
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flwangpls review this which is blocking the py34 gate job15:09
ryansbyou mean client as in zaqarclient, not browser-client, right?15:09
flwangryansb: yep, sorry for the confusion15:10
exploreshaifaliwhat is browser client?15:10
ryansbI mean the horizon dashboard as a "client"15:11
exploreshaifaliokay :)15:11
flwangryansb: that's another topic on today agenda :)15:11
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ryansbflwang: ok, just wanted to make sure I was thinking right.15:11
flwangryansb: yep, thanks15:11
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flwang#topic task assignments15:13
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flwangnow we're using this etherpad to track the assignments for Mitaka to avoid any duplicate work15:13
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flwangso please put your name on that or pick a task from it15:14
ryansbflwang: what exactly is "zaqar ui" - is that a horizon plugin, or a standalone?15:14
flwangryansb: it's the horizon plugin15:14
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flwangryansb: but it's a standalone git repo/project15:15
flwangunder openstack15:15
ryansbyeah, gotcha15:15
flwangfor that one, we still need to follow the normal process to create a new project15:15
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Eva-iI'll try to get familiar with python zaqar client soon, so I can code review it.15:16
flwangEva-i: it would be awesome15:16
flwangbtw, if anybody want to go through the zaqar-ui creating, you can follow this one
flwangotherwise, i have to take it :0)15:18
exploreshaifalioh! that link contain all details to creat a new repo under openstack15:18
flwangexploreshaifali: yes15:18
exploreshaifalithanks flwang I will look into it!15:18
flwangexploreshaifali: do you want to take it?15:18
exploreshaifaliyes yes :D15:19
flwangexploreshaifali: if so, pls replace my name with your name on the etherpad15:19
flwangand a big thanks from me :)15:19
exploreshaifaliflwang, I have added my name there just after you15:19
flwangexploreshaifali: ok, we can work together15:19
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flwangtherve: hello15:21
flwangseems you're busy recently :)15:21
flwangmuch work in heat?15:21
therveEnough for sure :)15:21
flwangok, anything we should talk about task assignment?15:22
Eva-iwhat is "Sqlalchemy DB migration" in etherpad?15:22
flwangEva-i: we support sqlalchemy as the control plane driver15:22
therveflwang, Not that I know. If you need help on something let me know, I'll see what I can do15:22
flwangbut we don't support db migration for that15:22
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vkmcyeah, that's a big one in the todo list15:23
flwangtherve: i will take your rest bandwidth for sure :)15:23
flwangvkmc: +115:23
flwangvkmc: the good news is it shouldn't be very hard since we just need to follow the normal way as the other projects did15:24
exploreshaifalidb migrations means migrating from  one storage to another like from sqlalchemy to mongo?15:25
vkmcexploreshaifali, nope15:25
vkmcschema's migrations15:25
flwangguys, if you found i didn't reply more than 5 mins, then i must have slept :)15:25
flwangnow it's 4:25 am in NZ15:26
vkmcflwang, whaaaaaaaa? I should chair this meeting next time15:26
vkmcyou should be sleepin15:26
exploreshaifalivkmc, ok, but I think zaqar database is fixed15:26
exploreshaifaliwhy one will need migrations?15:26
flwangexploreshaifali: no15:26
ryansbexploreshaifali: no, just the between versions of sqlalchemy schemas15:26
flwangno fixed15:26
ryansbexploreshaifali: between versions we may add/remove fields15:26
ryansbso we need to enable operators/users to upgrade their storage and keep all their existing data15:27
ryansbwhile becoming compatible with whatever new features we added15:27
exploreshaifaliokay! Make sense :)15:28
Eva-iis something like this implemented for mongodb?15:28
vkmcnosql databases don't require this15:28
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Eva-iyeah oka15:28
flwangEva-i: not really, since mongodb is nosql15:28
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flwangif there is anybody want to take this big job, it would be super awesome15:29
flwangand who will get 2 big NZ chocolates for sure15:29
vkmcI was supposed to work on client v2, but since mdnadeem took that job, I can take this one15:30
flwangvkmc: i love you15:30
vkmcflwang, love you too <315:30
flwangvkmc: just let me know if you need a hand15:31
vkmcflwang, will do15:31
vkmcwe want this for m-1, right?15:31
vkmctwo weeks from now15:31
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flwangvkmc: now i owe you some chocolates15:31
flwangvkmc: not really15:31
flwangi don't think it's an urgent work15:31
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vkmcthat chocolates you have... damn they are good15:32
vkmcyou don't owe me anything though :D haha15:32
flwangpersonally, i would target it for m-2 and leave 1 milestone to test it15:32
vkmcit's my pleasure to contribute to Zaqar15:32
vkmclet's do that then15:32
flwangvkmc: awesome awesome15:32
flwangjasondotstar: around?15:33
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flwangjasondotstar: i saw your updates on the etherpad15:34
jasondotstarflwang: status on the puppet zaqar module..... still in progress. I got the info I needed from zigo15:34
flwangjasondotstar: awesome15:35
jasondotstarand I'm updating the etherpad with what we need....15:35
flwangjasondotstar: so is there any outlook/target for a workable version?15:35
flwangnot pushy, just wondering :)15:35
jasondotstarthe next day should yield the debian automation stuff15:36
jasondotstarthen we need to tackle what conf options15:36
jasondotstarwe want to expose15:36
flwangjasondotstar: cool, i can help on the reference conf options15:36
jasondotstari think we talked a little bit about exposing a few items but I'll need some help on that15:37
jasondotstarflwang: +115:37
flwangjasondotstar: just ping me15:37
jasondotstarI'll add that to the etherpad as a line item too15:37
jasondotstarflwang: ack.15:37
flwangjasondotstar: haha, cool15:37
ryansb(just grabbed the presigned URL item)15:37
flwangryansb: that's my favorite ;)15:38
flwangsince that's the key for sahara integration15:38
ryansband heat (for swconfig)15:38
flwangryansb: cool, thanks for taking that one15:39
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flwangok, anything we need to talk as for this topic?15:40
flwangi don't have more topic today15:40
flwanganything you guys want to discuss?15:40
flwang#topic open discussion15:41
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ryansboh, I have one thing15:42
flwangryansb: yes?15:42
ryansbI discovered that the new client plugin seems to fail when the OS_AUTH_URL is missing a version15:42
ryansbI was going to raise a bug/submit a fix15:42
ryansbbut has anyone else seen this?15:42
flwangryansb: md and me are working on the client authorized issue15:43
flwangnot sure if they're related, but we can work together15:43
flwangryansb: feel free file a bug anyway15:43
ryansbok, cool15:43
flwangryansb: great15:43
Eva-iAre email subscriptions working in Zaqar?15:44
flwangEva-i: yes, why?15:44
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Eva-iflwang: just tried it and for me it didn't worked, okay, we can discuss it later15:44
flwangEva-i: cool15:45
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flwangwe can talk it later, just ping me15:45
flwangok, i'm sleepy, TBH15:45
flwanganything we need to talk today?15:45
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ryansbnothing else from me15:45
flwangotherwise, we already have a great meeting today15:46
Eva-iI'll just remind you to review this little patch today: Also maybe we should make exception message more informative? See my comment in the code.15:46
Eva-inothing else from me too15:46
flwangEva-i: thanks, will take a look15:46
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flwangthank you guys15:46
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ryansbthanks team!15:46
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jklare#startmeeting openstack-chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 16 16:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at
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jklarehi everyone16:00
jklarei will wait for 10min for people to join and close the meeting after that if nobody does16:02
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jklarehi sc`16:09
jklareanything you want to talk about?16:09
sc`if j^2 were around, perhaps his alternate packaging idea16:10
j^2yep, i’m here16:10
j^2sorry, caught up in a meeting16:10
jklareno worries16:10
sc`oh right. forgot the double duty D:16:10
j^2do we have an agenda for this meeting?16:11
j^2i forget16:11
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j^2ok, well….16:11
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jklarei think we do not need an agenda for 1-4 people :)16:11
j^2yeah i guess that makes sense16:12
jklareso, sc` said you had an alternative packaging idea j^2 ?16:12
j^2yeah giftwrap16:12
sc`i was looking at that a bit. haven't played with it yet16:13
j^2basically, that was the conversation i was having with the bluebox guys when we were in Dev Lounge jklare16:13
j^2it’ll uncouple us from upstream pkgs so we can just “configure” the code16:13
jklareyou are talking about giftwrap?16:13
j^2yep the readme is above16:14
jklareah, did not see that16:14
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jklarei should read before writing....16:14
jklareso, yeah i think this looks nice, but for now i have no idea how to properly make use of that inside of our cookbooks16:15
j^2so this _could_ be an answer for our pkging problems16:15
j^2yeah same here, but i wanted to see what y’all thought before going any deeper16:15
jklareif we want to decouple from upstream packaging, we should write this down into a spec  i think16:16
sc`all we do is point at the repo endpoints16:16
sc`how the packages get there don't matter to us at this point16:16
sc`but yeah, should go in a spec16:16
jklarethat means if we want to do that, we need to host these packages somewhere after building them16:16
j^2jklare: totally,  but before I run with that i wanted to take any major issues i haven’t thought of16:16
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j^2jklare: i don’t think so, i think the pkgs might be built on the fly?16:17
j^2but i’m not 100% sure16:17
sc`it's infrastructure we have to maintain and support16:17
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jklareif we build the packages on the fly, we need to install docker, run the build, get the package, uninstall docker and then install the package16:18
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jklarei think thats not a very good option16:18
sc`if we build the packages on the fly, where will this be done? would we need to get infra resources?16:18
j^2yeah i’m not sure, i haven’t ran through the whole thing yet16:18
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sc`seems like a heavyweight operation16:18
j^2there has to be a place we can host the pkgs though, there has to be16:19
jklaregiftwrap basically starts docker containers to automate the build process of packages16:19
j^2it doesnt have to use docker16:19
sc`good for folks like us ($job) but maybe not so much unless we're able to get some kind of resources to throw at this16:19
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jklarethe great thing about giftwrap is the why how its figures out the py dependencies16:19
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j^2yep, that’s the gist16:19
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jklareand now for something completely different: we cut stable/liberty last week i think and merged most of the necessary repos16:22
sc`a great turnaround on shipping liberty after how long it took to get kilo out the door16:23
jklarei pushed up the bash i used, since i hated to do the steps described in our wiki manually16:23
j^2ROCK ON man, that’s bad ass16:24
j^2yeah doing it by hand is bullshit16:24
sc`jklare: that's awesome. makes things much easier16:24
jklaremy collegue calbers started the work on mitaka with refactoring the compute cookbook and i think he has nearly finished step 1) removing all the default attributes16:26
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jklaresadly he is on holiday this week, so we will not see the push before next week16:26
jklarei wanted to start looking on the networking cookbook tomorrow and maybe i can push step 1 and 2 this week16:26
jklaredepending on the amount of 'end of the year' stuff that pops up in my calendar16:27
jklarei also -2ed 2 patches this morning that wanted to add some more configuration attributes by commenting on them, that this can go into stable/liberty, but not into master until we have refactored everything16:28
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j^2makes sense,16:29
jklarei think there might be some more patches like this and imo we should move most of them to stable/liberty to allow people to work on the cookbooks for liberty while we refactor for mitaka16:29
jklarenot sure if we should do the moving or just leave a comment like i did16:30
sc`i agree. probably at least a communication to the ml16:30
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sc`might be worthwhile to just do the moving, unless there's suddenly a huge influx of changes16:32
sc`for the most part, just education and awareness will be enough16:32
jklarejust wanted to mention it16:32
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j^2yep, good that you did, but all in all it’s just lets continue on with what we’re doing?16:33
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sc`so next week we can expect for master to start being broken?16:40
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j^2i think so16:41
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sc`should definitely heads-up the ml since we're expecting master to be broken, just to be proactive and get ahead of anyone running into known broken things16:49
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jklaresounds good16:51
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jklareanything else we should talk about?16:55
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sc`i'm good. keeping an eye on rdo packaging efforts in the meantime16:56
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jklareok, thanks for attending16:58
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 16 17:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at
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jrollhi everyone!17:00
sambettso/ hey17:00
lucasagomeshello all17:00
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pc_m /me lurking17:00
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jroll#topic Announcements and reminders17:01
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jrolljust a quick reminder that we're now using reno for release notes - please remember to submit release notes with patches where needed, and also to remember to check for them in reviews17:01
jrollsee doug's thread on the ML for more details about it17:02
dtantsurfor all changes? only substantial changes?17:02
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jrolldtantsur: yeah, primarily substantial changes - think about what we already put in our release notes17:02
rloojroll: is there a patch to add release notes for stuff that landed in M* already?17:02
jrollrloo: not yet, I'll be doing that this week17:03
* krtaylor needs to read more about it17:04
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lucasagomesfor those interested17:04
rloojroll: thx17:04
jrollanyone have other announcements?17:04
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lucasagomesjroll, maybe about mid-cycle17:05
lucasagomesfolks please take a look at the ML (will grab the link) and vote for either have mid-cycle or not in this cycle17:05
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rloojroll: maybe about your comment about a release soon?17:05
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lucasagomesthat's it17:06
jrollrloo: that was just a stray thought, I need to look at some things before I commit to it :)17:06
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rloojroll: ok then :D17:06
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jrollthanks for that lucasagomes17:07
* jroll moves on17:07
jroll#topic Subteam status reports17:07
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jrollI'll give everyone (and myself) a moment to review17:07
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rloojroll: wrt boot interface, yeah, one patch landed. let me find it...17:08
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rameshg87rloo: (not sure if you wanted to put it here)17:09
rloorameshg87: i put it in the etherpad. thx.17:09
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jrolljlvillal: any updates on nova things? (/me suspects you aren't here and that's fine)17:10
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jrollkrotscheck: betherly: any updates on frontend stuff?17:10
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rloowrt py 2.6 and ironic client. is there some rule or something that says how long we have to support py 2.6?17:11
dtantsurrloo, as long as the last release supports it (aka Juno)17:11
dtantsuri.e. when Juno EOL's, we're fine to say goodbye to it17:12
rloodtantsur: thx. lintan ^^ answer to your question.17:12
jrollwell, folks were keeping 2.6 around for clients too17:12
pas-harloo, probably when last RHEL w/o default Py27 is EOL'd17:12
devanandadtantsur: that brings up a point we need to discuss -- when do we EOL ironic's juno support?17:13
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lucasagomesI think clients are suppose to continue supporting 2.6 AFAIUI17:13
dtantsurdevananda, max(official OpenStack EOL, when nobody actually is ready to support it)17:13
jrollbut sounds like the plan is to drop 2.6 for clients now, based on
dtantsurlucasagomes, jroll, I was addressing it17:13
devanandaI believe Kilo was our first officially supported release, so we ought to be able to drop py26 now, actually17:13
jrolldevananda: this is about the client17:13
devanandajroll: oh. nvm :)17:14
jrollwe've dropped 2.6 for the server already17:14
dtantsurlucasagomes, jroll, ironic does not support 2.6 for a while. client - when Juno goes EOL17:14
jrollok, thanks dtantsur :D17:14
devanandajroll: yah, I thought we had ...17:14
dtantsur(that what I learned last time)17:14
* devananda now notices the word "client" in rloo's question17:14
davidlenwell_devananda needs more coffeee17:14
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lucasagomesalright cool17:15
rlooso regardless of dropping py26 from oslo, we agree we won't drop from client until after we EOL juno.17:15
dtantsurrloo, if also drops it, we have to as well17:15
pas-harloo, client uses oslo stuff17:15
rloodtantsur, pas-ha: oh right!17:15
jrolljuno EOL is happening real soon now, fwiw17:15
jrollwhich is likely why this is coming up17:15
* devananda notes that there is no stable/juno branch of python-ironicclient17:16
dtantsuryeah, so as long as our first Oslo dep drops Py26, we have to drop it as well, essentially..17:16
dtantsurdevananda, I think stable branches for clients appeared in Kilo17:16
pas-hadevananda, stable branches in clients appeared in Kilo only AFAIR17:16
devanandaI'm clearly missing something (besides coffee)17:16
jrolldevananda: there's no technical link17:17
dtantsurcoffee fixes most of the problems, have some :)17:17
jrolldevananda: but folks apparently agreed to drop 2.6 in clients at the same time as juno eol17:17
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devanandajroll: huh17:17
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jrolldevananda: I suspect part of that was to not support 2.6 in infra just for clients17:18
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rloojroll: does that mean one of us should +1 to indicate ironic is good with it?
* dtantsur welcomes freeing some infra resources17:18
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jrollrloo: yeah, let me verify some things and then I will +1 that and post the same for ironicclient17:19
rloojroll: thx. i'll add your AI to the subteam report :)17:19
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jrolland probably an ironicclient release with a major version bump to indicate it17:19
rloojroll: oh, you already added something so we're good17:19
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jrollanything else on subteam report things?17:20
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jroll#topic Open discussion17:21
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jrolldtantsur: I know you had a thing here17:21
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vsaienkoI have a question about ironic multi-tenant testing in community. Do we have any thought how to perform it on CI?17:22
dtantsurjroll, yeah, thanks17:22
jrollvsaienko: define "multi-tenant testing"17:22
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dtantsurI'd like to mention that we're somewhat stuck in designing a proper OpenStackClient interface for ironic17:23
dtantsurand we need more (MOAR!) opinions:
pas-hajroll, that is how are we going to test the new Ironic/Neutron feature on gates17:23
devanandadtantsur: moar is better :)17:23
jrollvsaienko: pas-ha: oh, we've had a lot of discussion about that within the subteam. people have some ideas and are working on them afaik17:23
* lucasagomes have to comment back on the CLI stuff17:24
dtantsurright now nearly everyone has their own idea how to do it, so I don't even know how to reach a consensus there17:24
lucasagomesbut I kinda like sambetts's suggestion there17:24
dtantsurmaybe we need a spec, maybe some voting, whatever...17:24
rloodtantsur: i admit, i haven't gotten around to looking at openstackclient and how that translates to the new openstack baremetal commands. Is it clear except for this particular 'provision' one?17:24
pas-hajroll, we should probably then ask on ironic-neutron subteam meeting then17:24
dtantsurI'm not asking to solve the problem right now, but it would be cool at least to find a direction17:24
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dtantsurrloo, CRUD operations are more or less clear.. it's power and provision that are troublesome17:25
rloodtantsur: i would have preferred a spec or something that showed all openstack baremetal * corresponding to existing ironic * commands.17:25
dtantsurOSC has guidelines for CRUD commands17:25
jrollvsaienko: pas-ha: tl;dr create an isolated tenant network in ovs land and make sure things happen as expected (can't access control plane etc)17:25
pas-hajroll, thanks17:25
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rloodtantsur: it seems like it would be easier (for me) if I saw such a list and could ok it, then it just needs to be implemented. are we doing them each command at a time?17:25
devanandadtantsur: is there a writeup of the broader discussion on OSC somewhere? I was following it pre-summit but lost track since then17:26
dtantsurdevananda, I don't think so... I kind of agree with rloo, we need a spec on it17:26
dtantsurrloo, thrash has a series of patches, with node CRUD already landed IIRC17:26
jrolldtantsur: so, I'll go back to the thread this week, but I tend to think of it like english. "openstack baremetal power off uuid", openstack baremetal deploy uuid, etc. but idk if that matches with their guidelines17:26
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devanandajroll: ++17:27
dtantsurI like it,17:27
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dtantsurdeploy==state active, right?17:27
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devanandafor OSC, I'm inclined to go with simple-is-better and hide some of the complexity we might expose in the library17:27
dtantsurfor example?17:27
jrollmanage, inspect, provide17:28
dtantsurjroll, is it a list of commands you suggest?17:28
jrolldtantsur: I guess, rough brainstorming, I can formalize my thoughts in email17:29
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dtantsurjroll, please do. it sounds like a good compromise, and it will move the whole process17:29
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jrollmost of our verbs seem fine, as is, delete is weird17:29
jrollI will17:29
devanandaI'll catch up on the ML thread and respond as well17:29
dtantsurbecause these patches has been around since end of Kilo17:29
jrollsorry for being mostly afk last week :(17:29
sambettsjroll: thats going towards the suggestion I had, I did a version covering all the current cli fucntionality17:29
devanandalooks like a lot of discussion happened last week while I was travelling17:29
lucasagomessomething like that?17:29
jrollsambetts: right17:30
dtantsurjroll, yeah, deleted and active look weird, +117:30
devananda"activate" also sounds weird in that context17:30
jrolldtantsur: note that when we want to make a node active, the api request is "deploy"17:30
dtantsurI'm ok with s/active/deploy/17:30
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sambettsyeah, that makes sense to me17:31
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vdrokI have a question about ci testing of drivers that are not yet merged - should ci be set up before they are merged in tree?17:31
dtantsurone moment, do we more or less agree on the OSC design?17:32
vdroke.g. lenovo driver that is being proposed17:32
dtantsurif so, I leave it up to jroll and devananda to communicate, right?17:32
jrolldtantsur: I think we have enough agreement to post that to the ML17:32
jrolland yeah that's fine17:32
dtantsurthanks, I'm giving the mic to vdrok now :)17:33
jrollvdrok: great question, I've been asking myself the same thing recently17:33
rloocould we get that in a spec, eg similar to what sam did in
devanandavdrok: i think before we can require that of new drivers, we need to have that set up for existing drivers17:33
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lucasagomesdevananda, ++17:33
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devanandavdrok: but in the fullness of time, yes, I think requiring CI as part of a driver submission would be reasonable17:33
jrolldevananda: yeah, mostly agree17:33
jrollI think this cycle, don't require it but make them aware of the deadlines we're setting17:34
devanandakrtaylor: thoughts ^ ?17:34
lucasagomeswe gave other drivers 2 cycles (counting with this one) to setup the CI17:34
jrollnext cycle, totally require it17:34
devanandajroll: right17:34
lucasagomesso I think we could accept new drivers for now (beggining of this cycle)17:34
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lucasagomesand let then know that they have to work on the CI soon17:34
rloojroll: would a subteam/something about third party CI help? don't we need to inform folks first, if that doesn't happen soon, the 2 cycle thing will be later?17:34
lucasagomesjroll, ++ for next cycle17:34
devanandarloo: we have one already :)17:34
vdrokjroll, yup, makes sense17:35
jrollrloo: comms going out this week btw17:35
lucasagomesrloo, there's a cross project group about 3rd party ci17:35
* lucasagomes finds the wiki17:35
jroll(this week is later than we wanted, but thingee and myself got busy)17:35
krtaylorsorry, I am in another meeting too, high latency17:35
rloook, just want to make sure we don't forget to do whatever (eg communicate) in a timely fashion :)17:36
krtayloryes, we need to, regardless of the spec status17:36
rlooto be clear, I mean communicating that we expect CI from third party drivers, and this is the plan/timeframe for it to happen, etc.17:36
jrollthere's already drafts17:37
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jrollwe should also land that spec this week17:37
rloothx jroll17:37
krtaylorjroll, if you are busy, I can work with thingee and send out the first email17:37
krtaylorjroll, agreed, I'll get a revision to the spec today17:37
jrollkrtaylor: nah, I got it. the hard part has been both of us traveling, I'm not going anywhere until thanksgiving day :D17:37
jrollthank you for the offer though :)17:38
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pas-haI would remind of an idea from summit to register/enable *all* drivers on the gate, at least in a simple non-voting job17:39
sambettspas-ha: Its in the spec :)17:40
pas-hacuz some are totally broken ATM17:40
pas-hasambetts, cool, thx17:40
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jrollI think this is different17:40
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pas-hayes, I just thought so too17:41
jrollwhat pas-ha is talking about is running a job with enabled_drivers=everything,we,have,17:41
jrollbecause apparently enabling irmc breaks conductor startup right now17:41
jrollwhich I totally forgot about17:41
sambettsoooooh! thats an interesting one!17:41
jrolland will add to my todo list to deal with right now17:41
jrollthanks for the reminder17:41
pas-hajroll, np17:41
jrolldeal with may mean delegating fwiw :P17:42
pas-hajroll, happy to help17:42
jrollcool, I will ping if needed. thanks17:42
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devanandaon the topic of 3rd party CI, I'd like to see the guidelines on it (what we expect, how folks should set it up, etc) in the developer docs, not in the specs repo or wiki17:44
pas-habasically you don't even have to _enable_ all, just install deps for all/as many as possible17:44
jrolldevananda: yes, that's the goal. the spec is informational and to get consensus on the details of the plan17:44
devanandapas-ha: drivers are not in requirements.txt (or variants thereof). what you're suggesting would basically mean we need to add driver-requirements.txt to openstack global reqiurements17:45
devanandabecause we can't install anything from pip that isn't in g-r within infra gate17:46
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pas-hadevananda, ouch17:46
devanandaon top of that, several drivers do not have any installable packages17:46
jrollyeah, it gets weird17:46
devanandaeg, they need to be built from source. or the driver author only releases an SDK ...17:46
jrollbut I'd like to see what we can do here17:46
dtantsurdevananda, I think we can install anything, if it's only voting on our project, and infra does not have to fix it ;)17:47
devanandawe actually pulled a few drivers out of g-r about two cycles ago17:47
devanandadtantsur: nope17:47
dtantsurbut yeah, many drivers are not on PyPI17:47
jrollI'd rather this not vote17:47
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pas-hajroll, sure, as any breakage in a third-party lib could wedge the gate17:47
devanandadtantsur: if it's voting on Ironic, it can affect other projects, and so infra will care17:47
jrollit's unclear to me if nv jobs can have non-g-r things17:48
dtantsurdevananda, ok, I meant to say "only run on ironic and is never voting"17:48
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devanandadtantsur: ah. if non-voting, maybe :)17:48
jrollso like I said, I'll poke around and investigate this17:48
dtantsurjroll, the idea of g-r is to not have gate broken due to problems with dependencies. non-voting jobs can't break gate17:48
dtantsur(at least as I understand the whole system)17:49
rloowhen/if we have third party CI, this issue will be tested there right?17:49
pas-haa simple check to install as much deps as possible and just start Ironic up17:49
pas-harloo, sure17:49
jrollrloo: yep17:49
rloodo we want to spend time now dealing with it then?17:49
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rlooI mean, dealing with it outside of third-party CI?17:49
vdrokthe deadline for it is end of n, so I think it would be good to have something now17:50
devanandarloo: actually no. third-party CI will only need to install each drivers' requirements17:50
devanandathis is about installing _all_ drivers' requirements in the same env --- and making sure they don't conflict17:50
pas-harloo, depends on how quick we'd like to give vendors at least some visibility17:50
jrollmmm, so if things conflict that's a problem, gr17:50
rloodevananda: oh, yes, that is a different issue17:50
jrollthe current issue, as it was explained to me, it just installing scciclient breaks the conductor17:51
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pas-hajroll, yep17:51
devanandajroll: right. and given how bad pip is at dependency resolution, we're not going to detect conflicts between drivers' dependencies unless they're in gr (and even then, only in some cases)17:51
pas-haas of Liberty at least17:51
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devanandajroll: hm. ok. if it's that simple, then that drivers' CI should catch it17:51
jrolldevananda: I mean, both seem important17:51
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jrollidk, need to investigate offline17:52
jrolljust talking about it won't fix it :)17:52
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jrollanything else or should we close this down?17:54
rlooso... what? AI for jroll to file bug/look into 'that' issue wrt irmc. do we want to also enable/import all packages for alldrivers too?17:54
jrollyeah, I'm going to investigate both17:54
rloojroll: ok thx :)17:55
sambettsI think we should add it to the agenda for Wednesdays CI meeting17:55
jroll+1 do iiit17:55
sambettswill do :)17:55
rloofile bugs please17:55
rlooor specs or ??17:55
jrollgood point17:55
jrollpas-ha: have you filed a bug for this yet?17:55
jrollif not, please do17:55
pas-hanot AFAIK, will retry and do17:56
jrollthanks, reproduction steps would be helpful17:56
rloo3 minutes left17:57
* jroll waits patiently17:57
* rloo wonders what jroll is waiting for. let's end early...17:58
jrollmeh, going to call that a wrap17:58
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jrollthanks everyone!17:58
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