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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 14:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
| * bauzas lurks | 14:01 | |
| * johnthetubaguy lurks with intent | 14:01 | |
| PaulMurray | Hi, Anyone here for live migration ? | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| paul-carlton | yep | 14:01 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shaohe_feng1 | hi PaulMurray | 14:01 |
| eliqiao | hi PaulMurray | 14:01 |
| kashyap | * | 14:01 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:01 |
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| eliqiao | o/ | 14:01 |
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| eliqiao | hi pkoniszewski | 14:02 |
| shaohe_feng1 | hi pkoniszewski | 14:02 |
| shaohe_feng1 | o/ | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | Hi Everyone, just wait one minute in case someone is late | 14:02 |
| jlanoux | O/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like a good turn out, great to see :) | 14:03 |
| eliqiao | I though the time is utc 1300 as the polled . okay anyway. | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | ok - that's lone enough - thanks for coming everyone | 14:03 |
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| PaulMurray | eliqiao, intersting, you are second to say that - the poll was definitely 1400UTC, but we're here now anyway | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | I assume you have all seen the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | it has an agenda on it | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | daylight savings changed between now and the poll, thats always fun | 14:04 |
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| kashyap | And, the 6 etherpads it has URLs to :P | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | I will try to make sure the agenda far enough in advance that everyone gets to see it before | 14:05 |
| eliqiao | johnthetubaguy: get it :) | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | I'll also try to go through things promptly in the meeting so we can go early if there is nothing in particular to discuss | 14:05 |
| shaohe_feng1 | johnthetubaguy: got it. I'm also puzzle with the time. | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | Did the poll adjust the times for local time zones? | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | it did, i had no problems | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | Ah, I will remember that in future - sorry everyone | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | but i was also affected by daylight saving thing | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs status | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs status (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:07 | |
| johnthetubaguy | I like this part of the year when I live in UTC, life is so much simpler! | 14:07 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: there is no dalylight in our country. | 14:07 |
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| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng1, not at all, how do you see? | 14:08 |
| kashyap | PaulMurray: :-) | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | :D | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | This is the priority spec review page | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | We have a few specs under live migrate | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | just scroll a little from the top | 14:09 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: daylight saveing. :) | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | Two are already merged | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | I added the last one fo alex_xu earlier today | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | PaulMurray: thanks | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | sorry join the party late | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | I want to discuss the pause VM during live migration for a moment, any others people want to mention? | 14:10 |
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| PaulMurray | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229040/ | 14:11 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: libvirt volumes may have hit an issue requiring a minor rethink | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | This is the pause VM one - it is very close to being done, but has a couple of points to clear | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, ok - come back to that in a mo | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | +! | 14:12 |
| eliqiao | I think it will be hard to control the status when the live-migraion is running | 14:12 |
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| bzhou | " As an operator of an OpenStack cloud, I would like the ability to pause VM 40 | 14:12 |
| bzhou | during live migration. " why "during live migration"? | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | bzhou, its really a way to push a migration through | 14:12 |
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| pkoniszewski | bzhou to get rid of dirty pages | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, for me, the key think here, is live-migrate can literally take for ever, lets give operators a way for force the end of that process | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that | 14:13 |
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| eliqiao | does pause == cancle? | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao, no | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | we will do both seperately | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | as two features | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | no, cancel is different operation which will literally cancel this process | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | So the question on the spec is about naming | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | Can we support post-copy yet? | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | but also about future intent | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | no yet, post-copy should be there around N-release of openstack | 14:14 |
| bzhou | do we need to resume it after LM is done? | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | Another option for an operator might be to cancel and post-copy | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | bzhou: we don't, libvirt does the job | 14:14 |
| eliqiao | [danpb] NB, when we make use of post-copy migration, cancel will be impossible once post-copy starts. | 14:14 |
| eliqiao | I see this from LM etherpad | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton | I thought post copy was pending changes in qemu that are still being tested? | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | paul-carlton: exactly | 14:15 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: converge can also can help to reduce the rate dirty pages | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | a change to libvirt should be simple, tricky part will be OpenStack, e.g., networking | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should get back to Mitaka stuff I think | 14:16 |
| pkoniszewski | y | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | The question I would like to see an answer to is do we intend this only be the pause version | 14:16 |
| bzhou | are we able to resume even if LM is NOT done? | 14:16 |
| andrearosa | post copy is not an option now, do not discuss it. Converge can help the idea of pausing the LM is a kind of last resort | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | or do we intend that there could be other options that will come under the same action | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I think we can add options later | 14:16 |
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| shaohe_feng1 | post copy is ready for qemu? | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | If the second we need a different name - that is all I think | 14:16 |
| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: I don't like this idea to have different actions under the same action | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | it brings confusions | 14:17 |
| eliqiao | shaohe_feng1: no | 14:17 |
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| kashyap | shaohe_feng1: It is merged upstream QEMU | 14:17 |
| kashyap | And the relevant Kernel part. | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | thing is, we don't need to decide that now, except if we add pause in the API name, I guess | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, agreed - so perhaps change name - makes it distinctly different to normal pause operation | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | just for clarity, we generally don't want features in Nova to depend on unreleased QEMU or libvirt | 14:18 |
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| eliqiao | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | Lets move the discussion of the naming to the spec and move on | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so yes, the current list of names | 14:19 |
| andrearosa | I like the johnthetubaguy's proposal to call it "live-migrate-force-end". That name doesn't have any implementation details and give us the flexibility to change the actual actions in future | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, you had something to discuss | 14:19 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Post copy dev in QEMU is on this channel - davidgiluk. Maybe he can comment which release it'll be in QEMU. | 14:19 |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yes, although I posted review comments. | 14:20 |
| quintela____ | 2.5 | 14:20 |
| eliqiao | but force-end is kind like cancel | 14:20 |
| quintela____ | cade is already upstream | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232053/ | 14:20 |
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| pkoniszewski | andrearosa: if we will change entire action in the future, e.g. to something that will dynamically throttle VM, +1 from me | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, does it need discussion here or just highlight the review? | 14:20 |
| pkoniszewski | andrearosa: if we gonna hide two distinct operations under one action - huge -1 | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | The concern is that libvirt's storage copy method will probably be a severe performance regression from rsync | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | in almost all cases | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: seems like we might have to assume rsync lives until that bug is fixed then? | 14:21 |
| davidgiluk | kashyap: The libvirt work is still in progress; there is also an experimental openstack set that the guys at UMU have done | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | So while I think we should go ahead with it, rsync needs to remain a first class citizen for the moment | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: that sounds like a good approach | 14:21 |
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| mdbooth | Yes. It can live differently, using libvirt storage pools. | 14:21 |
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| mdbooth | But I don't think we can deprecate it, because some people do use it, and they're unlikely to be happy. | 14:22 |
| paul-carlton | mdbooth, rsync is not an option for security reasons | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, that's not true for everyone | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: well you can choose performance vs security right? | 14:22 |
| paul-carlton | we really need the libvirt perf improvement danbp proposed befor this is viable | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton: I don't think we need to go that far. The storage pools stuff looks great. We'll just have to retain some cruft for a bit. | 14:23 |
| andrearosa | paul-carlton: it is an option now. I think that the recap made by danp in his comment is a reasonable approach | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: +1 | 14:23 |
| paul-carlton | true, we should do it but a lot of people (including HPE) will not use it if the choice is rsync or slow | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: agreed, we just don't have an alternative, and it seems like slow might get fixed soonish | 14:23 |
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| PaulMurray | maybe we can find people to fix the slow option - we could look into that | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think thats the correct approach here | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | is anyone working on it now? | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | I think it's vaguely in motion. | 14:24 |
| paul-carlton | if so then fine, I'm not arguing against doing the work, I'm saying that there will be class of customers who won't use it till the libvirt fix is done | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | danpb sounded interested. I've been looking at the code this morning. | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | #info storage pools version of migration will be slow - need to keep rsync version and look to improve performance | 14:25 |
| paul-carlton | I'd prefer to implement based on the assumption that libvirt will fix performance issues in due course | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should get that detail in the spec, but I think the existing comments make that clear | 14:26 |
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| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, mdbooth I think this all sounds ok | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | do the change - keep rsync option - organise getting performance improvement | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | that can be done | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | Thrash out the detail in the spec? | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | unless anyone thinks I'm being naive | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | Sounds good to me | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | lets do that then | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | Any other specs - they are the main thing at the moment | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious about the query one | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | Any other with urgent issue to go over that is | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | and cancel | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, goahead | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we agree how that API should look, I assume similar to that pause/force-end one? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | the action of cancel I mean | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, ? ~^^ | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like the latest version is going that way, which is cool for me | 14:29 |
| paul-carlton | yep | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the current version doesn't have much query in it | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | by which I mean, the progress reporting | 14:30 |
| paul-carlton | I took it out and changed the name | 14:31 |
| pkoniszewski | i thought that they decided that progress is already reported somehow | 14:31 |
| paul-carlton | yes, because progress is reported on instance details | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, with the percentages | 14:31 |
| mdbooth | percentage of what? | 14:31 |
| mdbooth | Disk transfer? | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, it still says query in the title | 14:31 |
| mdbooth | Convergence? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: good question | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | How can you tell the difference between transfer of a big disk, and a vm which is slow to converge? | 14:32 |
| shaohe_feng1 | percentage of ram, disk? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: yeah, I think thats what I would love to see, disk transfer vs convergence step | 14:32 |
| paul-carlton | I'll fix the title | 14:33 |
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| PaulMurray | Maybe that should be split out as a separate issue as there is something already there for query | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | just fix the title as paul-carlton says | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: +1 for a separate spec on this | 14:33 |
| paul-carlton | I think if it is slow to converge you should see percentage complete going up and down | 14:33 |
| paul-carlton | There is only one spec, abort, I'll purge it of any mention of query, missed the title | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, good | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would be nice to be explicit about this at some point, but yeah, lets track that separatly | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | does anyone want to talk that spec? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | take | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | I'd rather move to the next topic | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | But first a note to everyone | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | please do review the specs on that list. We can target getting things in for the spec cutoff | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | even though it is not absolute for priorities | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | I really want to make progress as fast as possible | 14:36 |
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| shaohe_feng1 | johnthetubaguy: do we need a smart tune(such as migration, pause) when converge is slow when percentage complete going up and down | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help would be good for someone to take on writing up better live-migrate progress | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI status | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI status (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:36 | |
| johnthetubaguy | shaohe_feng1: I think the pause and cancel spec have a lot of that covered already | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | I don't see tdurkov | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | Does anyone know the status of CI? | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | I know there is a job he has a review for | 14:37 |
| shaohe_feng1 | such as migration, pause/such as compress, pause | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | I also don't have the review links to hand | 14:38 |
| davidgiluk | shaohe_feng1: QEMU 2.5 has an improved autoconverge | 14:38 |
| kashyap | PaulMurray: For the CI to work, first multi-node CI ought to be working successfully, no? | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | kashyap, the plan is to create a new CI job for live migration | 14:38 |
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| PaulMurray | then add coverage to it | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the discussion was create a new one | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | The idea is to seperate it from other instabilities | 14:38 |
| kashyap | Sure. | 14:39 |
| paul-carlton | johnthetubaguy, I'll look at the way progress is calculated and propose a solution meets everyones needs if you like | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | I know Timofei Durakov is part way there | 14:39 |
| shaohe_feng1 | davidgiluk: so nova do not need an strategy tune, right? | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | So I guess there is nothing more to say on this one | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: sounds good | 14:40 |
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| pkoniszewski | one more thing | 14:40 |
| kashyap | shaohe_feng1: I think topics are bing mixed up, probably good for open floor discussion. | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, on CI? | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | oh, thought its open discussion already, sorry! :) | 14:41 |
| shaohe_feng1 | kashyap: sorry. go ahead CI. | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | no - going on with agenda | 14:41 |
| davidgiluk | shaohe_feng1: The qemu stuff is experimental and still needs the libvirt stuff wiring up, but it should do appropriate CPU limiting - it would be good to check that out before trying to write a new one | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Bugs | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:41 | |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng1, this is your spot I think? | 14:41 |
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| PaulMurray | You have been looking at bugs in Intel and Rackspace right? | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19MFatOpjePS4JtkVHXCh6Qa8XUf6T2t0Igy1PucZ3Zk/edit#gid=2127877307 | 14:42 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: maybe we can discuss the pkoniszewski bug fix. | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | this list is a bit outdated | 14:43 |
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| PaulMurray | Do you have a link? | 14:43 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168916/ | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168916/ | 14:43 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235994/ | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | I haven't looked at this yet, can you tell us something? | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235994/ | 14:45 |
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| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: yes. we need to set the correct VM status when live-migration RPC call timeout | 14:46 |
| shaohe_feng1 | pkoniszewski is working on it. | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | Do you need anything, or just reviews? | 14:46 |
| bauzas | less than 15 mins left | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, thanks | 14:47 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: we need a little discussion. | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | Can I suggest it goes on the ML this time | 14:48 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: yes. | 14:48 |
| pkoniszewski | ML should be way better for this problem | 14:48 |
| pkoniszewski | its a bit weird | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | My understanding is that there are a few people going through the live migraiton bugs | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | Is that still true | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:48 |
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| andrearosa | no replies so probably you are right | 14:49 |
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| PaulMurray | Maybe its best if I contact you about this seperately | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | moving on | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open | 14:49 |
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| mdbooth | Did I miss the bug list? | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | Ah, the google spreadsheet | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, there are links on the meeting page and on the google sheet | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | mikal has put reviews on the priority review page: | 14:50 |
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| PaulMurray | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | Please return to this regularly to get subteam reviews done | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | then when reviews are ready we can bring htem to the attention of cores | 14:51 |
| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: do you means this google link? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19MFatOpjePS4JtkVHXCh6Qa8XUf6T2t0Igy1PucZ3Zk/edit#gid=2127877307 | 14:51 |
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| PaulMurray | If yo uhave code ready to review put it on the page in the subteam section | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 for that etherpad | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be great to get the bug fixes listed in there | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | if the code is up for review | 14:53 |
| shaohe_feng1 | +1. | 14:53 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, do you want the individual reviews in there - there? | 14:54 |
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| mdbooth | paul-carlton: Do you have code already for anything relating to libvirt storage pools? | 14:54 |
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| PaulMurray | Anything that needs to be brought up in this meeting now? | 14:55 |
| paul-carlton | mdbooth, there is lots of code from Solly Ross's attempt at this but I've not done anything yet | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | (as opposed to discussed after) | 14:55 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton: Ok, lets chat offline as I'm interested and don't want to tread on your toes. | 14:55 |
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| paul-carlton | Welcome the help, we should talk | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, thanks for stepping up for work to do | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | Thank you everyone for coming - please help me be as organised | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | as I can be - I will settle into chairing | 14:56 |
| kashyap | PaulMurray: Good work, keeping things on-topic :-) | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | Same time next week 1400UTC | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | kashyap, doing my best :) | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| shaohe_feng1 | PaulMurray: OK. 1400UTC. | 14:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 14:57:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-17-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-17-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks! | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-17-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| eliqiao | thx, bye | 14:57 |
| alex_xu | thanks | 14:57 |
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| tdurakov | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: for LM meeting? | 15:03 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, you're one hour late :) | 15:03 |
| tdurakov | woot? | 15:03 |
| pkoniszewski | 14:00 UTC | 15:04 |
| tdurakov | yep | 15:04 |
| pkoniszewski | its 15 already | 15:04 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks to daylight saving thing | 15:04 |
| tdurakov | oopp | 15:04 |
| tdurakov | :( | 15:04 |
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| tdurakov | let me provide you short update for multinode job | 15:05 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, pkoniszewski^ | 15:05 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, please | 15:05 |
| PaulMurray | We should go into openstack-nova room | 15:05 |
| tdurakov | sure | 15:05 |
| pkoniszewski | let's go there1 | 15:05 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 17:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| james_li | james li | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
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| devkulkarni | hey james_li | 17:00 |
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| james_li | Hi Dev | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | here is agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-11-17_1700_UTC | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | I know that adrian_otto and vijendar are out today | 17:01 |
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| devkulkarni | I don't see datsun180b either in solum irc room | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | lets give few minutes for folks to join | 17:02 |
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| muralia1 | o/ | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni | I know that muralia1 and dimtruck are in magnum meeting | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | oh there they are | 17:02 |
| dimtruck | hello | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi muralia1 and dimtruck | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | we have james_li | 17:03 |
| muralia1 | hi all | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto and vijendar are out today | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | and I haven't seen datsun180b as well | 17:03 |
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| devkulkarni | so it might be only four of us today | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda: | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-11-17_1700_UTC | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) Solum Liberty release | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-liberty-release | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245963/ | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/4.0.0 | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://launchpad.net/python-solumclient/+milestone/1.2.7 | 17:04 |
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| devkulkarni | let me give some background and explaining what is going on on the release front | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | so upstream has modified the ways releases are done (basically decoupling projects to be in-sync with each other from release pov) | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | doug hellmann and ttx wanted us to come up with a bullet list of steps for making the release | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | I created these steps on that etherpad mentioned above | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | doug and ttx then provided guidance on what steps were required, what were optional, etc. | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | they also recommended that the version for solum that we should use is 4.0.0 | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | this is also part of the new changes to the release process | 17:07 |
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| devkulkarni | then, I had to submit a review to openstack/releases repository | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | that review is mentioned above | 17:07 |
| james_li | sounds a plan | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | after that, there was some launchpad work to be done | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | basically, we had to create a 'milestone' in liberty series and tag all the bugs and blueprints that we fixed to that milestone | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | I have done that as well | 17:08 |
| dimtruck | nice! | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/4.0.0 | 17:09 |
| muralia1 | yes, saw all the changes you made | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://launchpad.net/python-solumclient/+milestone/1.2.7 | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | we have fixed several bugs | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | some of which were actually features | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | so now we are waiting for ttx to help us with the next steps | 17:09 |
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| devkulkarni | he has been considerate and has volunteered to do the liberty release for us | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | from our side, we have completed all the steps | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | the client will be released to pypi as well | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | I think there is a gate job which does it | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | ttx is traveling this week | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | but he said he would be checking his emails | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | so hopefully, by the end of the week we would have solum's liberty release cut | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | so that is all on that topic | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | if you happen to look through lp and find a bug which should be tagged to 4.0.0 release | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | please feel free to do that | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | set the status of that bug as 'Fix Released' | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | ttx mentioned that when we cut a final release, all the bugs need to be marked as 'Fix Released' | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | alright | 17:13 |
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| devkulkarni | next announcement is | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Virtual hackday tomorrow (Wednesday, November 18th) | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079161.html | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-hackday-nov18-2015 | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | so as you may recall, we had discussed about holding such a hack day in last two meetings | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | I have created etherpad (linked above) with relevant details | 17:14 |
| ttx | I'll try to cut it in the coming hours | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | ttx: nice !! | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | ttx: quick question about the release-docs job failing on my patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245963/ | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | any suggestions on how to fix it? | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, continuing with the hackday discussion | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | please add yourself to the etherpad even if you would be participating for a few hours | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | also, may be the times when you would be around | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | will be good with the exposure for others | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | our vagrant environment should be good for you to try out all the new features | 17:18 |
| ttx | devkulkarni: you should ask on #openstack-release | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | thoughts/comments/questions? | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | ttx: ok, will do | 17:18 |
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| devkulkarni | alright, continuing to next topic | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 17:21 |
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| devkulkarni | devkulkarni to figure out how to retire solum readthedocs | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to figure out how to retire solum readthedocs | 17:21 |
| ttx | devkulkarni: I'll likely have to wait until the patch is fixed before cutting the release | 17:21 |
| ttx | I'll look into that failure see if I see why it fails | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | ttx: yeah, that's what I thought | 17:21 |
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| devkulkarni | ttx: that would be super helpful | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | ttx: also, after our irc meeting is over, I will get on to openstack-release to discuss about it | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 17:23 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) devstack plugin | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236212/ | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | that's merged now :) | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | looks like this patch is merged | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: nice!! | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | so little background on that patch | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | actually, no it's not...looks like it's missing a verification? | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: it should merge hopefully | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | ok | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | the verification gates run before merging | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | going back to the background on this patch | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | it started with this email from sdague | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079135.html | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | the email identifies all the projects for which the devstack gate jobs would start failing unless we change our gate job to use devstack plugin model | 17:25 |
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| devkulkarni | notice that we are on that list | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | james_li, even designate on that list | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | don't know if you guys are on top of it already or not | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | if not, I would recommend making that as a priority as no patches will merge | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | after December 1st (I think) until this is fixed | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | so going back to our situation.. | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | the way to use devstack plugin on the gate job is to create that plugin as part of our repository | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | we have known about this requirement for a while | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | an independent contributor, venkatamahesh had submitted a patch to add this plugin in our repository | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck worked from that patch | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | and tested it yesterday | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | right dimtruck? | 17:28 |
| dimtruck | correct | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | so now that we have got this patch merged | 17:29 |
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| devkulkarni | the next thing is to submit a patch to openstack/project-config to change our gate job configuration to use this plugin | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: are you planning to submit that patch as well? | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | yes sir | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | awesome | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | i wanted to check with venkatamahesh if that was on his roadmap since he submitted the original patch | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | but yeah - that's the next step | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: I would suggest you do it | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | ok | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | add venkatamahesh as a reviewer | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | but I haven't been able to get hold of him on irc yet | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | since this is time critical, it will be good if one of us does it | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | cool. so I will look forward to your patch sometime soon :) | 17:31 |
| dimtruck | ok, i'll have that in | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni | next one is | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Adding Reno for managing release notes | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243295/6 | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243301/ | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, muralia1: don't know if magnum has added reno yet, but if not you can check out above patche | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | patches | 17:34 |
| muralia1 | thanks | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | the next one is: | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | oslo-incubator went away recently. What do we need to do? | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079343.html | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | so some background on this | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | above email mentions that oslo-incubator is no longer a thing | 17:36 |
| muralia1 | oh… | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | all the patches from incubator has been moved over in their own libraries | 17:37 |
| dims | devkulkarni : you essentially take over that code you have and move it into your own namespace/package structure. remove things you don't need | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | dims: was about to ping you about this :) | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | we have this in our repo: https://github.com/openstack/solum/tree/master/solum/openstack | 17:37 |
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| dims | devkulkarni most of those files you can find in different oslo libraries | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | so based on what you mentioned above, we have to move this code in our own namespace/package | 17:38 |
| dims | if you choose to use them | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | dims: yeah, makes sense | 17:38 |
| dims | my preference is for you to use the official oslo libraries first, any missing files, use the copy you have | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | dims: as a step-by-step process, do you recommend that we first move those in our package, and then replace them/remove unused? | 17:39 |
| dims | looking at that list, you are way behind in oslo adoption | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | dims: oh I see | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni | dims: that is true, unfortunately :( | 17:39 |
| dims | devkulkarni : it does not make sense to move them first as it really does not matter | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni | dims: yeah, you are right.. | 17:40 |
| dims | devkulkarni : probably because you don't have a liaison for oslo yet https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Oslo | 17:40 |
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| devkulkarni | dims: what is the the best way for us to move forward on this? would the gates start failing anytime soon because we have not yet moved over? | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | dims: yes, that is true | 17:41 |
| dims | nope | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | in fact I was going to check with the team about oslo liaison today | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | while discussing about your email | 17:41 |
| dims | :) | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | dims: let me check with others in the team | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | in any case, we definitely want to be on top of this | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | so at least I would start attending oslo meetings from next time | 17:42 |
| dims | ++ thanks devkulkarni | 17:43 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | so that is on that topic | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | next one is | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | 3) Mitaka Roadmap discussion | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/HighLevelRoadmap#Milestone:_Mitaka | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | we had discussed about this in last week's meeting | 17:44 |
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| devkulkarni | any thoughts/comments after a week? | 17:44 |
| muralia1 | no | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. we can always discuss/debate on what specific items we want to prioritise | 17:46 |
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| devkulkarni | or even add to the roadmap | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | as things evolve | 17:46 |
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| devkulkarni | right now, we can use the above list as a guiding set of features on where we want to go next | 17:47 |
| muralia1 | devkulkarni, i think we should include one more to the list. move app config from app create to app deployment time | 17:47 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia1: you mean, application parameters? | 17:47 |
| muralia1 | yes | 17:47 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia1: sure, we can add that.. although, I think we had said that there is value in having app parameters both at the app create and app deploy | 17:48 |
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| muralia1 | sure. as long as we can update params during deployment | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | the parameters set at 'app create' can be overridden at 'app deploy' | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | yeah | 17:49 |
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| devkulkarni | I can take an action item to update the roadmap to add this | 17:49 |
| muralia1 | do we already support that? | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | no, we don't support that right now | 17:49 |
| muralia1 | ah ok. i thought i missed that patch :) | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: your patch has been merged | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | saw that :) | 17:50 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia1: no, you haven't missed much patches.. thanks for all the reviews :) | 17:50 |
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| devkulkarni | dimtruck: now you can submit your project-config patch | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | yup! | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: I am wondering how would we test it though? | 17:51 |
| dimtruck | in the gate ;) | 17:51 |
| dimtruck | i'm assuming that once we update the project.config, it'll run our tests? | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | for that to happen | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | won't we have to submit a patch to our repo | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | some patch | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | so may be what we could do is: | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | retrigger one of our existing patches (or submit a new patch) which has a dependency on the project-config patch | 17:52 |
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| devkulkarni | would that cause the new project-config changes to be used on the gate? | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: ^^ | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | #action: devkulkarni to update Mitaka roadmap to include a feature for setting app parameters both at app create time and app deploy time | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | we are almost at the end of our meeting | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | let me move to open discussion | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:54 |
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| dimtruck | makes sense | 17:54 |
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| devkulkarni | alright, thanks for joining today folks | 17:59 |
| dimtruck | thanks devkulkarni | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | will see you tomorrow in the virtual hack day | 17:59 |
| muralia | see you all | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | or next week | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 17:59:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-17-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-17-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-17-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| terrylhowe | briancurtin: etoews meeting today? | 18:58 |
| etoews | sure | 18:59 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yep, just finishing up lunch | 18:59 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 19:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
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| etoews | \o | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | #topic KSA | 19:00 |
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| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186140/ | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: did you see jamie’s comment about taking an existing session, e.g., from OSC? i think that plus two comments i had on the previous changeset and then it’s probably good, right? | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | actually, is that something that would be another factory off of Connection? | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | didn’t notice that | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | probably | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | so maybe we do that in another change rather than hold this off? | 19:02 |
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| terrylhowe | I guess the connection class should have a constructor that takes a session in case you have one already | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | yeah, that’s probably the easiest way, to just add a session=None | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | yeh | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: can you take a look at the comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186140/30/openstack/profile.py and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186140/30/openstack/service_filter.py | 19:04 |
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| terrylhowe | fine points briancurtin, I’d need to look at the exception some more to see if there is some other reason for that | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: cool, whenever you get around to it, just wanted to make sure they didn’t get lost since the other bunch of comments were mostly just the same thing over and over | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1517149 | 19:08 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517149 in OpenStack SDK "find method needed for BaseProxy" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Curtin (brian.curtin) | 19:08 |
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| terrylhowe | as to the ServiceFilter isa dict, it is just convenient to say endpoint_filter=cls.service rather than endpoint_filter=cls.service.get_filter() | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: can we get that if it was a MutableMapping? i don’t have a super strong case here, i’d have to dig in a bit more than i did | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | probably | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | can adjust that after anyway, it’s fine for now | 19:11 |
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| briancurtin | on that find method bug, i’m going to try and hack that out quick this afternoon. i noticed it’s the only remaining proxy method that doesn’t run through BaseProxy but goes through the resources. in all of the fury around changing find a bunch of times, we never hooked it up through that, and i really only noticed it when someone contributed to the | 19:12 |
| briancurtin | Rackspace extension | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | is there much to be gained by having a method in BaseProxy? | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | Aren’t most of them one liners like: return profile.Profile.find(self.session, value, | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | ignore_missing=ignore_missing) | 19:14 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: consistency is a big one since this now sticks out like a sore thumb. it’s probably a relatively simple one to add | 19:14 |
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| briancurtin | i guess it’s possible that i don’t end up adding it, but i’d like to at least look at it to see if it’s worth it. i’m not going to like documenting this in the contributor guide as “you do these 5 things this way, but this other one you do it a little different" | 19:15 |
| terrylhowe | k | 19:16 |
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| etoews | agreed. i'd prefer to see it in BaseProxy. | 19:17 |
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| etoews | if it's not there, it leaves contributors pondering the reason why it wasn't included. | 19:17 |
| etoews | (since they're not going to read the contrib guide anyway :P) | 19:18 |
| stevelle | s/read/find/ ? | 19:18 |
| etoews | that too | 19:18 |
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| briancurtin | other than that stuff, i don’t have anything pressing that requires much of a discussion, just working through LP and gerrit. anyone have anything to cover? | 19:20 |
| etoews | yep | 19:20 |
| etoews | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1479977 | 19:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479977 in OpenStack SDK "Get sdk docs on http://developer.openstack.org/python-openstacksdk/" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Everett Toews (everett-toews) | 19:20 |
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| etoews | is that the url there the final resting place for our docs? | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | #topic docs on openstack.org | 19:21 |
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| etoews | i've got a patch set ready to go but would rather confirm the url now. | 19:21 |
| etoews | just start throwing out urls for us to consider if you have an opinion | 19:22 |
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| briancurtin | etoews: i guess so? as much as i’d like it to just be openstacksdk right there, as we’ve moved to that name in other places, it maybe makes sense to keep the python prefix there in the event that other language SDKs become official to the point that they also end up in the same spot as us | 19:22 |
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| etoews | d.o.o/sdk/python | 19:22 |
| etoews | d.o.o/python-sdk | 19:22 |
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| etoews | (having openstack in the later part of the url seems redundant to me) | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | Anne question? | 19:23 |
| etoews | not really | 19:23 |
| etoews | but maybe? | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | python-openstacksdk is fine with me, then the structure is flat | 19:24 |
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| briancurtin | i’d probably just go with python-openstacksdk as the bug states. if we have to change in the future I’m sure someone can figure out some redirects or something | 19:25 |
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| etoews | annegentle: ^ | 19:25 |
| stevelle | would your patch do anything for the current state of http://developer.openstack.org/#sdk etoews? | 19:25 |
| etoews | nope | 19:25 |
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| etoews | i know the application ecosystem working group is looking at revamping the landing page of d.o.o | 19:26 |
| annegentle | stevelle: we have plans for that though | 19:26 |
| annegentle | right etoews | 19:26 |
| etoews | but that doesn't really impact us at this point | 19:26 |
| stevelle | sounds lovely | 19:26 |
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| etoews | it really needs it | 19:26 |
| stevelle | everything in it's own time | 19:26 |
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| etoews | in my defense, when i first helped create d.o.o it looked the same as the rest of the crappy design of openstack.org :P | 19:27 |
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| etoews | then everything else got a facelift but d.o.o | 19:28 |
| annegentle | etoews: heh | 19:28 |
| stevelle | It looks a lot better than it did when I joined openstack, fwiw | 19:28 |
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| annegentle | sorry etoews I dont' know your question and can't find it on eavesdrop | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1479977 | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479977 in OpenStack SDK "Get sdk docs on http://developer.openstack.org/python-openstacksdk/" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Everett Toews (everett-toews) | 19:30 |
| etoews | do we want http://developer.openstack.org/python-openstacksdk/ to be the final url for the sdk docs | 19:30 |
| etoews | ? | 19:30 |
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| annegentle | etoews: ah. So the pattern we're establishing even last week is this so far: http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute | 19:31 |
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| annegentle | and http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/ | 19:31 |
| annegentle | those are the only two we have besides the large api ref page. | 19:31 |
| etoews | briancurtin and terrylhowe are for it. i'm wobbly on the redundant "openstack" in "python-openstacksdk". | 19:31 |
| annegentle | so, what about http://developer.openstack.org/sdks/python-openstacksdk? | 19:31 |
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| annegentle | gives us a starting pattern? | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | if we’re going /sdks then i’d probably say /sdks/python | 19:32 |
| etoews | previously i had suggested d.o.o/sdk/python | 19:32 |
| annegentle | and potential for a better landing page for sdks :) | 19:32 |
| annegentle | etoews: there may be more than one python sdk for openstack, how would we handle? | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | that would be a bad idea, so don’t do that | 19:32 |
| etoews | ooooooh...i like the opportunity for an sdks landing page | 19:32 |
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| annegentle | there's already libcloud tho briancurtin | 19:33 |
| etoews | agreed that more than | 19:34 |
| annegentle | not that they're gonna publish their docs, but they may have a landing page with links | 19:34 |
| etoews | one official python sdk is bad news | 19:34 |
| briancurtin | libcloud is libcloud though, not an openstack sdk? | 19:34 |
| annegentle | briancurtin: agreed, but this audience needs info. At the summit for example I fielded questions about the 2-3 Go SDKs. So would it be better that there was a landing page listing possibillities | 19:34 |
| annegentle | dev.o.o/sdks/go/, dev.o.o/sdks/python, etc? | 19:35 |
| annegentle | really just talking outloud | 19:35 |
| briancurtin | I’m really just worried about the docs for my project | 19:35 |
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| annegentle | briancurtin: sure | 19:35 |
| annegentle | dev.o.o/sdks/python/openstacksdk | 19:35 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good to me | 19:35 |
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| etoews | works for me | 19:36 |
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| etoews | briancurtin: any thoughts on that one? | 19:37 |
| briancurtin | its fine | 19:38 |
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| etoews | #agreed sdk docs to be published to developer.openstack.org/sdks/python/openstacksdk | 19:38 |
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| annegentle | ok, I've triaged that bug with that info as well as a link to a patchset that does the api-guide/compute publish configuration | 19:38 |
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| etoews | cool. i've got a patch set to infra ready to go. just need to update it with the new url. | 19:39 |
| etoews | one last thing from me | 19:40 |
| etoews | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1515074 | 19:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515074 in OpenStack SDK "Add support to stack update broke create server" [Undecided,New] | 19:40 |
| etoews | serious facepalm here | 19:40 |
| etoews | create server got broken. | 19:40 |
| briancurtin | oh yeah, there’s that | 19:40 |
| etoews | that's bad | 19:40 |
| etoews | i'd be freaking out a bit more if ksa wasn't rolling over the change that broke it | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | I had to fix that for ksa | 19:41 |
| etoews | i'm sure | 19:41 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: did you wind up getting to the bottom of the func test failures in the ksa patch set? | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | they are all passing now etoews | 19:42 |
| etoews | awesome | 19:42 |
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| etoews | we can close that bug when ksa lands | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | yeh | 19:43 |
| etoews | i suppose that's all i have to say about that | 19:43 |
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| etoews | nothing else from me | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: anything else? | 19:45 |
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| terrylhowe | nothing from me | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | alrighty then | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 19:46:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-17-19.00.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-17-19.00.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-17-19.00.log.html | 19:46 |
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