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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 13:59 |
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| crobertsrh | Hello | 13:59 |
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| tmckay | hi | 13:59 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 13:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 14:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait a few mins for more attendees | 14:00 |
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| vgridnev_ | hi | 14:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 14:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | Hoping to have our code back in sahara-dashboard sometime in the next week or so. | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | I have nothing in this topic | 14:03 |
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| vgridnev | crobertsrh, great! | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | That will mean rebasing quite a few existing changes, of course. | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | any news from david lyle? | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | That is the news from him :) | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any current issues preventing it? | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | i've also noticed that we have new group in gerrit, sahara-dashboard core | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 14:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it currently includes sahara-core | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I think that we should add crobertsrh and NikitaKonovalov to it | 14:06 |
| crobertsrh | He mentioned that there are some integration test issues, but thinks that he might work those out separately. | 14:06 |
| tmckay | +1 | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | do we need to vote for it? any objections? | 14:06 |
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| tmckay | do we even have to vote on the mailing list? Can we just do it? | 14:07 |
| tmckay | heh :) | 14:07 |
| tmckay | no objections | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we can just do it ;) | 14:07 |
| tmckay | nobody who is not crazy would ever object to a dashboard core | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | done :) | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat about re dashboard? | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | nothing from me | 14:08 |
| crobertsrh | Nope | 14:09 |
| huichun | Move to this channel? | 14:09 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, congrats, those patches are going to merge before they even cool off ;-) | 14:09 |
| crobertsrh | heh | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | direct engine finally removed! | 14:10 |
| huichun | tmckay: Scheduled edp job has been long time reviewed, and modified according to all review comments, wish to be reviewed quickly T_T | 14:13 |
| tmckay | not much from me, I put up a few specs that I hope I will get to soon | 14:13 |
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| tmckay | huichun, ok. | 14:14 |
| tmckay | is elmiko here? | 14:14 |
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| * tmckay thought maybe he had something to add about secret store or V2 API | 14:15 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, please take a look on scheduled edp job patches | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | huichun, are you going to add integration tests for scheduled jobs? | 14:16 |
| huichun | Yes but another patch | 14:16 |
| huichun | Because they are separated | 14:16 |
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| vgridnev | separated from what? | 14:17 |
| tmckay | huichun, I will look today, too. I have not done many reviews since Tokyo. | 14:17 |
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| huichun | I will write another patch to submit | 14:17 |
| * tmckay goes to lots of meetings it seems :) | 14:18 | |
| elmiko | tmckay: hi | 14:18 |
| elmiko | doh... dst... | 14:18 |
| tmckay | elmiko, hey, any updates on secret store or v2 API or anytihng? | 14:18 |
| elmiko | just posted a new patch for secret store last night, the config wrapping is in place | 14:19 |
| huichun | vgridnev: I think one patch is for feature , one patch for interagration test will be clearly | 14:19 |
| elmiko | api v2, still working on gathering changes for the spec | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, do we need separated topic on today's meeting re v2? | 14:19 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: not this week, thanks | 14:20 |
| elmiko | i'd like to keep it as a separate item though, so we can keep it current | 14:20 |
| huichun | tmckay: thx Trevor | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:22 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, it's clear but it all-in-one case we will be sure that everything works well | 14:22 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, ok, waiting for a change with scheduled tests | 14:25 |
| tmckay | oh, related to protected/public | 14:26 |
| tmckay | so it's possible now, but it came up when we were talking about allowing public to be changed on protected items | 14:26 |
| huichun | vgridnev: for integration test, I will make resume suspend scheduled as one | 14:26 |
| tmckay | we probably need to investigate what happens when a public ng or cluster template is made non-public when it is referenced in a cluster by another tenant | 14:27 |
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| tmckay | what might break? Do we need to disallow public -> non-public for referenced templates? | 14:27 |
| tmckay | I have no idea, haven't tried | 14:27 |
| tmckay | not sure what will happen | 14:27 |
| tmckay | db lookups will fail, that's for certain | 14:27 |
| tmckay | but there might be enough cached in the cluster object that it doesn't matter | 14:27 |
| tmckay | anybody ever try this? | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | huichun, let's do scheduled first | 14:28 |
| crobertsrh | tmckay: I have not tried such a thing. | 14:29 |
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| tmckay | crobertsrh, I'll make a note to try it | 14:30 |
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| elmiko | is there any news about the ci lab with respect to the "Quota exceeded for port" errors we are seeing? | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, ^^ | 14:32 |
| esikachev | yes, this problem is resolved | 14:32 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:33 |
| elmiko | thanks | 14:33 |
| esikachev | there was a problem with reinstalling devstack on ci | 14:33 |
| elmiko | i knew devstack was in there somehow ;) | 14:33 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: maybe I add integration test as one patch followed this scheduled patch? Cause everytime I should resubmit and it will clear over the passed review | 14:36 |
| AndreyPavlov | tmckay, i haven't tried this, but it's pretty much the same case as if referenced public template would be deleted | 14:36 |
| AndreyPavlov | the problem is how to control such situations | 14:36 |
| tmckay | AndreyPavlov, ack. In the general case, we don't allow deletion of referenced templates, so maybe we just need those checks on public -> non-public | 14:37 |
| tmckay | same logic would work, I think | 14:37 |
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| tmckay | I'll poke at it | 14:38 |
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| AndreyPavlov | actually this template can be referenced by private resource created in another tenant | 14:39 |
| vgridnev | huichun, you can make the change based on scheduled patch, I think we will not have any issues with that | 14:39 |
| AndreyPavlov | in this case it will be invisible for sahara when it comes to deletion | 14:39 |
| AndreyPavlov | or update op public field | 14:39 |
| AndreyPavlov | do we want to let sahara search across all tenants? | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | huichun, you can ping me in case of problems by mail or in irc, I will help you | 14:40 |
| tmckay | AndreyPavlov, why not? It has admin credentials under the hood anyway, and superuser db access | 14:41 |
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| tmckay | filtering search by tenant is only a filter | 14:41 |
| tmckay | it wouldn't expose any information, except that "someone is using the thing you shared, sorry!" | 14:41 |
| tmckay | the only other thing I can think of is to auto-copy templates (we have talked about this kind of thing before) | 14:42 |
| tmckay | since tenant/name is unique, it could just be automatically injected into the tenant that is consuming it | 14:42 |
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| tmckay | but, ids and tables and things would be messed up | 14:42 |
| huichun | vgridnev: so I write another patch(integration test)depends on this scheduled patch, does this make sense? So you can keep review on this scheduled patch, because it really take long time(many times has two +2,nearly merged,but comes -1,then restart) | 14:42 |
| tmckay | (which is why I think we have not tried such a thing in the past) | 14:42 |
| tmckay | AndreyPavlov, I'll see what happens and write some kind of spec, we can talk about more there :) | 14:43 |
| huichun | vgridnev: thx for your help Vitaly | 14:43 |
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| vgridnev | Yes, that make sense, I think. If we would tests we can merge that as we will have two +2, I think) | 14:45 |
| vgridnev | huichun, ^^ | 14:45 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: thx Vitaly ^^ | 14:46 |
| AndreyPavlov | tmckay, i guess we need to think about concerns of across-tenant searching | 14:46 |
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| AndreyPavlov | cause if we will not find them, it would be much easier and clear to implement | 14:46 |
| tmckay | AndreyPavlov, yes, good thought. spec spec spec :) We will beat it into submission :) | 14:47 |
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| tmckay | I'll plan to try it this week, and put something up for discussion | 14:47 |
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| AndreyPavlov | tmckay, ok :) | 14:47 |
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| vgridnev | oh, folks. We moved all bugs that lost activities for 180 days to Incomplete state, so, please if the bug that still should be fixed move that from incomplete state | 14:50 |
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| crobertsrh | Ok :) | 14:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 5 mins left | 14:55 |
| vgridnev | any topic to discuss? | 14:55 |
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| elmiko | nothing from me | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 14:57:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-19-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-19-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-11-19-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 14:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 15:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| neiljerram_bb | Hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| yamamoto_ | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Mitaka-1 is fast approaching. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | I can't believe it. | 15:02 |
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| * regXboi hums Bob Dylan | 15:02 | |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| juno_zhu | what features target to release in M-1? | 15:03 |
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| regXboi | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-1 current milestone | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | juno_zhu: ^^^^^ | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | juno_zhu: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: jinx | 15:05 |
| juno_zhu | thanks | 15:05 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: no worries | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I'd also like to point out armax 's post to the ML yesterday | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079816.html | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | A reminder to us all to prioritize our reviews to align focus. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I you have blueprints targeted at Mitaka, be sure to be in contact with the approver for prompt review of your patches. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | If you are an approver, be sure to stay on top of those reviews especially. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ping | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | How is our bug situation looking? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | This past week we kept the same two bugs we had last meeting and added one, Although they are all getting reviews and more revisions | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | first up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | zzelle and amuller are jointly working on a fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | zzelle clasified it as a rfe | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | This is related to the routed networks work too, actually. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | I don't think either of them are on-line right now | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | this is the bug that pavel_bondar has been fixing over the past few weeks | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223123/ | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | is got a fresh revision early today and it is awaiting reviews | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: any comments? | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1514810 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514810 in neutron "Turning on 'enable_dhcp' on subnet update cause request failure for pluggable IPAM" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Gary Kotton (garyk) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | this one was reclassified by garyk to high a couple of days ago | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I'll review 223123 today. It'll be on my priority list. | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | and he proposed fix right away https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247019/ | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | awaiting reviews, it already got a few +1's | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | any comments? | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Good to know. I hadn't seen the proposed fix yet. | 15:17 |
| johnbelamaric | it pulls out the validation | 15:18 |
| johnbelamaric | because the validation was meaningless anyway - another thread could allocate the port while the validation was running | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm glad to see that John and Pavel have already looked at it from the IPAM perspective | 15:18 |
| johnbelamaric | but that is going to re-open whatever bug the validation was put in to fix (evne though the validation didn't really fix it in a real world environment with multiple threads) | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | and those are all the bugs I have this week. Any other bugs I might be missing? | 15:20 |
| neiljerram_bb | Was the validation put in for a bug? It might have been just a mistaken assumption. | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | I think it was, to fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443798 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443798 in neutron juno "Restrict netmask of CIDR to avoid DHCP resync" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Interesting. I'll keep that in mind when I take a look at the patch. | 15:21 |
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| johnbelamaric | Look in garyk's commit message he reference the commit where the validation was put in | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: ack | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I don't have any other bugs. Anyone else? | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok, as I say that I realize i didn't check if the transaction was open and would prevent the other thread allocating a port during the validation | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Routed network segments | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | This is actually progressing. I am mostly finished with a spec update which I believe will make several people much happier. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | My updates will throw out the host <-> network mapping addition and describe how we can use bridge_mappings initially to fill the same need. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | They will also incorporate suggestions from neiljerram_bb to work in networking-calico use case to the model. | 15:27 |
| neiljerram_bb | I liked your blog post on this, by the way. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: Thanks | 15:28 |
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| neiljerram_bb | And then we'll all go and code it up! | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | The updates will also include significant improves based on some feedback from johnthetubaguy from a Nova perspective. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | It turns out the section on Nova / Neutron interaction wasn't in sync with Nova's plans. I am reworking it and will try to iterate with John and Nova a bit more. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: No questions yet. Thanks for the feedback on the spec. | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | no problems, sorry we haven't been great at communicating our plans around the API and neutron integration, will try write up something so its more widely known | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/9/specs/mitaka/booting-vms-to-routed-networks.rst | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | ^ That's the direct link to the spec btw in case anyone is curious. | 15:31 |
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| neiljerram_bb | Is there good doc anywhere of the flows between Nova and Neutron? | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: Great, I'll watch for that. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: Actually, that is a good question to start with. johnthetubaguy ^ | 15:32 |
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| asadoughi | i don't know if it counts as docs, but this is *the* file https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | asadoughi: That is where I've started to look, actually. | 15:33 |
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| neiljerram_bb | So that file would tell us all the ways that Nova *can* call Neutron? | 15:34 |
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| neiljerram_bb | I wonder if Neutron sometimes calls Nova too. | 15:35 |
| neiljerram_bb | But anyway perhaps we should move on... | 15:35 |
| asadoughi | there might be other places, too, would have to grep for that. | 15:35 |
| asadoughi | and yes, i think there's neutron -> nova for port notifications | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: It can, I don't remember where the code lives off-hand. | 15:36 |
| asadoughi | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/notifiers/nova.py | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | The other thing that I wanted to mention is I have some initial code out for review. Thanks to reviewers for the reviews I've gotten. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242270/ | 15:37 |
| neiljerram_bb | I started a related ML thread on 'REST API', motivated by trying to see these flows. So if anyone has insight, please chip in there. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: Thanks. | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | I wonder if anyone could help me with this patch set. My own progress is slow on it because of a number of other responsibilities. | 15:38 |
| asadoughi | i'd be happy to take a look. i've dealt with neutron <-> nova a lot here. | 15:38 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I can help | 15:38 |
| neiljerram_bb | I expect to have proper time for this, from Monday. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Thanks. That will be very much appreciated. | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | my last attempt at a patch set was a fail, but it helped make progress | 15:39 |
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| tidwellr | :) | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I wouldn't call that a failure. | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Just had to change directions a bit. It gave you valuable insight in to the bridge mappings discussion. | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | yes it did, I like that direction a lot btw | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | asadoughi: It would be great to get some insight in thin neutron <-> nova area. I'd appreciate it. | 15:41 |
| asadoughi | carl_baldwin: for sure. i'll be on it. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | asadoughi: Maybe when you've had a chance to look at it, we can talk again in the neutron channel. | 15:42 |
| asadoughi | sounds good. | 15:42 |
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| * mlavalle knows asadoughi really knows interaction between neutron and nova | 15:43 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm going to shift my thinking toward attaching ports to an IpNetwork without a Network and without an IP address. We need to discover what breaks down or goes wrong. | 15:43 |
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| neiljerram_bb | Without an IP address? You mean so that the IP address can be allocated later? | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: Yes. | 15:44 |
| asadoughi | i like the idea if you're implying asynchronousity | 15:44 |
| neiljerram_bb | Cool, sounds good | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | I also had another thought for you. I'll probably catch you a bit later so that we can move on. We only have 15 minutes left! | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram_bb: ^ | 15:46 |
| neiljerram_bb | Sure | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | That is all I have now. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: ping | 15:46 |
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| tidwellr | 1 last patch set to move some changes through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216994/, then I'm going back through and adding address scope awareness | 15:47 |
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| tidwellr | based on some feedback from the summit, I'm not writing a service plugin and I need that change to ripple through the review chain | 15:48 |
| tidwellr | not much else to report | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Could you use reviews? | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | yes, those are helpful so we don't go off the rails | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I'll take a pass through today or tomorrow. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review BGP patches | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic DNS | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ping | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | hi again | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | I pushed next revision to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | sounds like the Nova BP is close | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | I complted coding all the functionality for public ports on provider networks | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | I need to debug it but am confident that we are close to the end | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: cool | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | garyk reviewed it right away | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | he doesn't like the "shim" extension concept that I've been using. So I think I'll have to re-work it | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | and yes, on the Nova side, johnthetubaguy indicated in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ that he feels it is close to be approved | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Need any help with the extension part? | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | I incorporated his feedbak and carl_baldwin's, so I am awaiting reviews now | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: as far as the extension, let me struggle with it over the next couple of days. I'll yell if I need help | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | and that's my update for today | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: good | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic address scopes | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | The server side patches have been reviewed by salv-orl_ (the BP approver). I need cores to look. | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: ^ | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll ping ZZelle too or see who else I can round up | 15:58 |
| juno_zhu | one router connects 2 different address scopes is allowed, right? | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | juno_zhu: Right. It is allowed to connect but traffic won't route freely between the two. | 15:59 |
| salv-orl_ | carl_baldwin: I think I've also reviewed one of the agent patches. That looks ok to me (I won't even argue about why we need a class to wrap directory creation ;) ) | 15:59 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189948/ must be the review | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 16:00:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-19-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-19-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-19-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| salv-orl_ | adieu | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | We can move to neutron room | 16:00 |
| tidwellr | bye | 16:00 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 16:00 |
| regXboi | bye | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 16:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | hello | 16:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 16:01 |
| salv-orl_ | aloha | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| elmiko | there were no action items from the previous meeting | 16:02 |
| elmiko | so, let's get into the new stuff =) | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | #topic Glance image import refactor spec | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | rosmaita: i believe this is yours | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: thanks | 16:02 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | i'd appreciate a look over the spec when everyone can | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | but i have some specific questions that maybe could be addressed right now | 16:03 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-glance-import-refactor | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | i put them on an etherpad so you can answer right there or add discussion points | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-glance-import-refactor | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | so the background on this is that we're trying to produce an interoperable, discoverable way for end-users to get images into glance | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | there will be 2 ways to do this to start | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | and the spec describes the discoverablity | 16:04 |
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| * elmiko looking at the specs | 16:05 | |
| rosmaita | anyway ... one of the aspects is to find out some things that are traditionally done in docs, what we're calling "value discovery" | 16:05 |
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| stevelle | I hold the opinion that the discoverability is essential to interop. | 16:05 |
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| rosmaita | there's a link on the etherpad where you can see the value-discovery response | 16:06 |
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| rosmaita | wondering what people think | 16:06 |
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| elmiko | at first look, it seems like a nice way to communicate the values. at least for human consumption, i'm curious about how this might be used programatically | 16:07 |
| elmiko | or even if that is a concern? | 16:08 |
| stevelle | is basing the max sizes in bytes really helpful? seems this would be easier to express in kB or mB | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | good question | 16:08 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: it's because image size in glance is expressed in bytes | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | though that doens't mean we *have* to do it here | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i'm curious though, based on one of the questions in the etherpad, is this approach any better than just having fresh api docs (possibly auto-generated) for these values? | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: exactly what i'm wondering | 16:09 |
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| stevelle | elmiko: for programmatic discovery, there are two styles of import-methods and that can be programmatically handled as well as basic sanity checks around formats and sizes before time is spent uploading | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: so you do see someone programmatically consuming this JSON response? | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | (which is good!) | 16:10 |
| elmiko | rosmaita: i think, if the output can be programmatically consumed, then this has good value. otherwise i'm not so sure | 16:10 |
| stevelle | I do, rosmaita. SDKs can be updated to use this easily | 16:10 |
| stevelle | CLIs follow | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | cool, than we would not be wasting time by doing this | 16:11 |
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| elmiko | sounds like not | 16:11 |
| stevelle | humans then don't need to fiddle, they can just interop | 16:11 |
| stevelle | no flag switching, don't need to look up argument names in clients or parameter options on functions | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | i just rolled-my-own response here, is there any kind of standard for this kind of thing? | 16:12 |
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| elmiko | hmm, when paired with the schema it seems pretty powerful. i'm not sure about alternatives in this space. | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | ok, that brings me to the next item, the format discovery response (the JSON schema) | 16:13 |
| elmiko | rosmaita: at the least, your approach seems sane to me | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: :D | 16:14 |
| elmiko | i think the array types might be tricky if clients get confused about the types in the array, but that's about all i can think of currently | 16:14 |
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| rosmaita | i agree, tried to keep to json-schema data types | 16:15 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure how that could be differentiated more though, like if one value has an array of string and another has array of int, would those types need to be specified? | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | not sure ... it just so happens that all arrays are string in the doc | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | well, if anyone has any ideas about that, please let me know | 16:17 |
| stevelle | all of those fields are required in the response schema, correct? | 16:17 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: which fields do you mean? | 16:18 |
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| rosmaita | value discovery response or format discovery response? | 16:18 |
| stevelle | sorry, "max_upload_bytes" ... | 16:18 |
| stevelle | value discovery | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: that doesn't appear in the actual request or response | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | it's more of an informational kind of value | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | namely, your import will fail if it has more than this many bytes | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: i mean, doesn't appear in the actual *import* req/resp | 16:20 |
| stevelle | I understand, but I want to ensure that all of the entries in that value discovery example are expected. I'm sorry I didn't move on to the import req/resp yet | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: np | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: yes, the intention is that whatever we settle on for this response will always include all elements | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | (guess i should've written a json schema for that response?) | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | (please say no!) | 16:21 |
| elmiko | lol, i was just thinking that | 16:21 |
| elmiko | but probably not needed, as long as the api reponse is known | 16:21 |
| elmiko | *response | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | though maybe it would help the array-of-what? issue | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | not sure, though | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | maybe mark it as an investigative item for now? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | in general, it seems like we keep the contract for the apis through documentation. so, i don't think we need to start generating jsonschema for every response | 16:22 |
| elmiko | although, it might make discovery easier, i'm not sure at what cost | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: ty! | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: work for you? | 16:23 |
| stevelle | works for me | 16:23 |
| stevelle | thanks | 16:23 |
| stevelle | it could be added later if winds shift | 16:23 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | excellent ... let's move onto the req/resp schema for import | 16:24 |
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| elmiko | just for clarity, this is the schema that the server accepts for POSTs? | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | correct | 16:24 |
| elmiko | k, cool. seems pretty clear to me =) | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | and it also describes the response | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | my question is about the enums in the schema | 16:25 |
| elmiko | wait, i'm confused about the response part | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | are you meaning to say this schema also describes the response to the v2/values/import call? | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | well, prob /v2/images/{image_id}/import | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | GET on that | 16:26 |
| elmiko | ok, makes sense. thanks | 16:26 |
| stevelle | I feel like there might be a need for a link or two | 16:26 |
| elmiko | like a link to the resource in question? | 16:27 |
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| rosmaita | there's "self" and "schema" in there | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | i tried to keep it close to the current schemas | 16:28 |
| stevelle | when the import is complete, a link to the resource and when it is posted the response could contain a link to the data cache being used for the image | 16:28 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: gotcha | 16:28 |
| stevelle | these would be non-required props | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: probably would go in the 'definitions' part, i think the cache would only be relevant to the glance-local method | 16:29 |
| elmiko | yea, those sound useful | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, noted | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | my main question here has to do with the values in the enums | 16:30 |
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| stevelle | rosmaita: I think a link to the swift url being used for the import would be helpful. indicating that resource is still in use | 16:30 |
| stevelle | after import it would be valuable to include so the client can reference it to purge | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: you'd prefer the url to the 'swift-location' element in the 'swift-local' def? | 16:31 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: we can continue on the spec, don't want to take too much time here | 16:32 |
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| stevelle | yes, and not sure about an additional-property for glance variant | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | is my question about the enums in the schema response (on the etherpad) clear? | 16:32 |
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| stevelle | I'm more familiar so I will pass on that. | 16:33 |
| elmiko | you are asking if it's ok for the server to respond with different enum values based on its capabilities? | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: exactly | 16:33 |
| elmiko | i would think yes, if it is explicitly clear to the user that this is the case | 16:34 |
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| rosmaita | that's what i think too ... so at least we can conclude that it's not wildly non-standard | 16:34 |
| elmiko | theoretically, the errors should show what is wrong. for example, a bad enum value would generate a different error than a failure to create a certain type of image or container, etc. | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | i'm not sure about how non-standard it is, but it doesn't sound wildly inappropriate to me | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: i agree, the idea here is to allow you to screen for errors client-side | 16:35 |
| elmiko | the schema endpoint will clearly tell you what is accepted | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | but the error messages should still be clear | 16:35 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | ok | 16:36 |
| elmiko | are we good on this topic? | 16:36 |
| rosmaita | last question about line 4 in the schema ... is that ok? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | yup, please =) | 16:36 |
| rosmaita | i'll assume yes, people with contrary opinions can write on the etherpad | 16:37 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: ty, done | 16:37 |
| elmiko | ok, cool. | 16:37 |
| elmiko | #topic Version discovery | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | rosmaita, the floor is yours | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | glance has an undocumented /versions endpoint | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | question is do we need to keep it? | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | we respect the response in the wiki page on the agenda | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | but all that says is that each API should have a versions response at / | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | which we also do | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | this is not a pressing issue | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | mainly wanted to bring it up because there's a very detailed wiki page but nothing on this in the api wg repo | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 16:40 |
| elmiko | hmm, if it's undocumented, i would think it's ok to deprecate. but i could see this being a tricky issue from a semver standpoint | 16:40 |
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| stevelle | If it was given a permanent redirect to / what thoughts? | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | maybe the question is, should openstack apis have a version response at /versions ? | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | or is the requirement only at / | 16:41 |
| elmiko | i think that /versions could become more prevalent if project started adopting json-home docs at / | 16:41 |
| elmiko | *projects | 16:41 |
| elmiko | but then, the versions endpoint would be described in the json-home doc | 16:42 |
| elmiko | granted, i'm not sure if any projects are considering this. although, i think some already do deliver json-home style docs. | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | imo, i kinda like the idea of a /versions endpoint. regardless of whether it's redirected or replicated. i like the explicit nature of it. | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 16:43 |
| elmiko | also, just for reference | 16:43 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VersionDiscovery | 16:43 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244571/ | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think it would be good to get the version discovery wiki page into the api wg repo | 16:44 |
| elmiko | this is definitely something we could incorporate into a guideline | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 16:44 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:44 |
| elmiko | would you be interested in writing a draft guideline for it? | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | i could, but first i will email the author of that wiki page | 16:44 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | becasue basically, i would plagiarize that page! | 16:45 |
| elmiko | #action rosmaita to investigate creating a guideline for versions endpoints | 16:45 |
| elmiko | sound good? | 16:45 |
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| rosmaita | cool | 16:45 |
| elmiko | thanks =) | 16:45 |
| elmiko | ok, moving along | 16:45 |
| elmiko | #topic adding software projects to the wg | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | so, this is a topic that came up at summit | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | and i'm curious to hear peoples thoughts about the idea of the api-wg taking on code projects that might support or enhance the general api landscape in openstack | 16:46 |
| elmiko | annegentle and i talked briefly about something like fairy-slipper being a candidate, so think those types of projects | 16:47 |
| stevelle | we're not talking a new oslo thing? | 16:47 |
| elmiko | no, not specifically | 16:47 |
| elmiko | my thought was that adding something a little more "crunchy" than guidelines might help garner more support and excitement about the wg | 16:48 |
| elmiko | and thus, help the api landscape across the openstack community | 16:48 |
| stevelle | generally I'm skeptical but individual initiatives should probably be considered on their own | 16:49 |
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| salv-orl_ | elmiko: that would be an awesome idea | 16:49 |
| elmiko | skeptical about the wg making an effort to include more projects, or something else? | 16:49 |
| rosmaita | i'm not opposed, but i'm just a guy who comes to the api wg to get advice | 16:49 |
| elmiko | fair | 16:50 |
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| stevelle | skeptical about the wg getting outside of the stated mission and processes | 16:50 |
| stevelle | just thinking it should be done carefully | 16:50 |
| salv-orl_ | I think indeed the wg will stay within its mission | 16:51 |
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| elmiko | so, would it be an expansion of mission to help and generate projects that might be considered api tooling or api docs related? | 16:51 |
| salv-orl_ | elmiko: I am very naive, but imho as long as the wg doesn't fiddle with other projects exposing APIs and limit themselves to advice is fine | 16:52 |
| stevelle | related http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ | 16:52 |
| salv-orl_ | where advice can be a published guideline or a tool that gives you advice... | 16:52 |
| stevelle | some code projects might fit and some would not | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: thanks, i was having trouble finding the mission stmt | 16:53 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm curious to flesh this out because i think there could be merit to adding more than guidelines. but i don't want to do in the *wrong* way. | 16:53 |
| elmiko | stevelle: ok, so sounds like we should move slowly, if at all, and judge each project on its own merits? | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | that sounds reasonable to me | 16:54 |
| stevelle | +1 | 16:54 |
| stevelle | we may want to discuss it again regularly to see how things proceed | 16:54 |
| elmiko | agreed, that sounds good | 16:54 |
| elmiko | cool, so this dovetails into another discussion that took place at summit | 16:54 |
| elmiko | #topic "example project" from summit | 16:54 |
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| elmiko | we have always talked about not wanting to create a reference implementation | 16:55 |
| elmiko | or create something that would be used as a measuring stick for projects | 16:55 |
| elmiko | but we had some nice conversations about the idea of creating an example project that could display the usage of the guidelines | 16:55 |
| elmiko | this project would be mostly agnostic in terms of the tooling used for implementations(eg. database, auth, etc) | 16:56 |
| elmiko | but could demonstrate an outline, or on-boarding example, for someone who might be thinking about creating a service or tool to use with openstack | 16:56 |
| elmiko | and thus could show through simple python code how the guidelines could be interpretted | 16:57 |
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| elmiko | i have a lot of ideas about this, but we are short on time. what do y'all think about his from the 1000ft level? | 16:57 |
| salv-orl_ | elmiko: the question is imho - does this project add anything to API samples that we can distribute as part of the guidelines? | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | hmm | 16:59 |
| rosmaita | salv-orl_: good question | 16:59 |
| salv-orl_ | I'm not saying it does not just curious about your perspecitve | 16:59 |
| stevelle | the most interesting part of the example would be error handling, middleware, and needing to model good use of alternate response codes and resource usage | 16:59 |
| elmiko | i think it has potential, but would need fleshing out | 16:59 |
| stevelle | imho | 16:59 |
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| rosmaita | i think maybe doing the example would help generate samples | 16:59 |
| rosmaita | might be the best way to get them, tbh | 16:59 |
| elmiko | stevelle: yea, i could see that, but we would need to keep things at a pluggable level | 16:59 |
| elmiko | rosmaita: that's what i was thinking too | 17:00 |
| elmiko | ok, well. we're out of time. thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| stevelle | I'd like to discuss further, re: pluggable but we are out of time | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | i'll bring this up again, for sure | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 17:00:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-19-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-19-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-19-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| salv-orl_ | adieuuu | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | bye, and thanks! | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 17:01:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:02 |
| docaedo | courtesy ping for kfox1111 ativelkov kzaitsev_ws j^2 | 17:02 |
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| j^2 | :D | 17:02 |
| docaedo | I failed to announce on the mailing list this week :( | 17:03 |
| j^2 | i'm in another meeting though, so i may be slow to respond | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | speaking of meetings - j^2, nice post about how to run a chat based meeting! | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | j^2 no sweat anyway, I think this is going to be a short one this week | 17:03 |
| j^2 | docaedo: thanks! | 17:03 |
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| j^2 | docaedo: that post seems to have got some fire under it; i'm hoping it'll make some more meeting more...fluid | 17:04 |
| docaedo | j^2 yep - I agreed with all of it, and try to follow the same guidelines for these meetings | 17:05 |
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| j^2 | rock on! | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | (except obviously this week :) no updated agenda, no email, but I've been behind the curve all week for some reason) | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:05 |
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| j^2 | ha! i respect that, happens to the best of us :D | 17:05 |
| j^2 | o/ | 17:05 |
| docaedo | Anyone make it this week? | 17:05 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:05 |
| docaedo | other than j^2 and I of course ;) | 17:06 |
| j^2 | :D | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | OK I think I'm calling the meeting due to lack of attendance, and failure of chair to prepare and announce a worthy agenda | 17:09 |
| docaedo | Thanks for coming j^2 - and will see you around the internets randomly! | 17:10 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 17:10:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-19-17.01.html | 17:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-19-17.01.txt | 17:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-19-17.01.log.html | 17:10 |
| j^2 | :D | 17:10 |
| j^2 | docaedo: take it easy | 17:10 |
| docaedo | j^2: you too man! | 17:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: igordcard hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi there ;-) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:01 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: Hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard | hi all, SumitNaiksatam | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe magesh wont be joining today | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 18:02:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Nov_19th.2C_12th_2015 | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | not everybody seems to have adjusted to the changed time here i believe :-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:04 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are no critical bugs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i wanted to bring up a couple and their fixes | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was an issue with not being able to clear/unset the protocol field from the CLI | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | while investigating that it led me to a few other issues including one because of which the setting/unsetting of boolean attrs was not working at all | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the fixes are in this #link https://review.openstack.org/246081 | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also, in the past we discussed adding support for protocol numbers | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh has a patch here: #link https://review.openstack.org/246895 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the above has been done in a backward compatible way | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and is also a critical requirement for supporting VPN service | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please help review and merge at the earliest | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that there was this ODL sync up patch posted by yi #link https://review.openstack.org/230760 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am looking for a second core brave enough to +2 this :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | are there any other critical issues | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, the NAT pool support was added to the UI | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with this all the workflows should be now possible through the UI | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please validate if you get a chance | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i don’t have an update on the functional/integation tests | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you if there are any updates | 18:11 |
| rkukura | nothing new from me - any ETA for updated stable/juno and stable/kilo releases, or liberty support? | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i think for stable we had decided past monday | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i still bug fixes being ported | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence i did not post a new stable release | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so at this point i am thinking next week | 18:13 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK, thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding the liberty branch, the issue is that we have dependency on vendor packages | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and those need to be updated as well :-( | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the dependencies are in the test-requirements to be able to run the UTs | 18:14 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are those dependencies needed for UTs and CI? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah UT, not CI | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i had it on my to do list to take a stab at those as well, but have been distracted with a few other things | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | first, a couple of items which were on the agenda last week, but we ran out of time | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Long pending patches | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the following patches from ivar are long pending review: | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/192424 | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we need to make a call on those before we close liberty branch | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: on the patch which refactors the required attributes, you had some comments about keeping it in sync with the CLI | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can you take a look again and see if we can proceed? | 18:19 |
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| rkukura | OK | 18:19 |
| rkukura | These both will need rebasing as well. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes, lets follow up with ivar | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: perfect timing | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Specs | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have a couple of pending specs | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:22 |
| songole | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: do you know if hemanth is around? | 18:22 |
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| songole | Hemanth is travelling | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to check on #link https://review.openstack.org/239743 (Network Service Framework) spec | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ok | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: is it ready for review, or more work needs to be done? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if its the latter we should mark it as WIP | 18:23 |
| songole | ok. I will ping hemanth. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cores/reviewers should take note of the spec anyway | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: there were a few review comments on #link https://review.openstack.org/242781 | 18:25 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | lookinbg | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was also this spec posted by magesh a long time back #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189629/ | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if this is still required | 18:26 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the cluster_id spec may need some rework | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i have put a comment in the spec, could you check this with magesh as well? | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: as the API itself | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah okay, sure | 18:27 |
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| songole | SumitNaiksatam: will do today. | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: we are aware of some limitations that we may want to fix before it's too late (we release) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for posting the questions on the other specs, i abandoned them since there was not activity | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can revive them per interest and need | 18:28 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, yeah, housekeeping | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and on that note, we can segue to your anticipated spec | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS policy support | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe there were some follow up discussions after the IRC meeting last week | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: any update on that front? | 18:30 |
| igordcard | not yet, but as I talked a bit with ivar after the other meeting, it might be only for all traffic for now | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:31 |
| igordcard | with development regarding the neutron flow classifier that might be something to integrate with QoS, and then both with GBP | 18:32 |
| igordcard | I am drafting an initial spec for QoS in GBP, between groups only, for now | 18:32 |
| igordcard | it's all | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i think the GBP classifier is high level enough that is can be mapped to whatever flow classifier gets defined anywhere else | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks, looking forward to it | 18:33 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, yes that would be good | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:34 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | other house keeping items, no weekly IRC meeting next week on account of Thanksgiving here in the US | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we might also be take a break from the meetings in the last two weeks of Dec since people will be on vacation/travelling | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if anyone would like to volunteer with documenting the API in-tree ;-) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | even if you are able to document a couple of resources, its good, i imagine its mostly going to be mechanical work | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we missed today?’ | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: do we have auto generated documentation? | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: how do we document APIs in tree? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: unfortunately i am not aware of an easy way to do that for the API | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but if you are, we can definitely follow that | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: no idea myself, was just wondering what the workflow for API documentation would be | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to follow the lead of what other projects are doing in openstack | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so in that context, we look at how some of the existing projects do it | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and basically capture the request/response body for CRUD with resources | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | either using verbose CLI or postman or something similar | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the openstack documents uses WADL, but it was pretty painful to deal with it if you are new | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we can probably just do some rst formatting and get going | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i will post a skeleton for review, and perhaps that might make this more concrete | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to discuss today? | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, i guess shorter meeting today | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy thanksgiving to everyone in advance! ;-) | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! Happy thanksgiving! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:43 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
| songole | bye | 18:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 18:43:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-11-19-18.02.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-11-19-18.02.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-11-19-18.02.log.html | 18:43 |
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| bogdando_ | #startmeeting ha_guide | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 20:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bogdando_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| bogdando_ | hi | 20:00 |
| bogdando_ | #topic Created a survey for a new meeting time | 20:00 |
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| bogdando_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-November/007865.html | 20:01 |
| bogdando_ | #link http://doodle.com/poll/by7axmzznrcv59zf | 20:01 |
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| bogdando_ | #topic Open discussion | 20:02 |
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| bogdando_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 21:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-11-19-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-11-19-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
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| darrenc | hi everyone | 21:32 |
| loquacities | hi! | 21:33 |
| darrenc | hi loquacities | 21:33 |
| darrenc | who else is here? | 21:33 |
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| * darrenc pings ppl | 21:35 | |
| loquacities | oh dear ... | 21:35 |
| darrenc | time zones... | 21:36 |
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| xavpaice | owp | 21:37 |
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| darrenc | hi xavpaice | 21:37 |
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| vichoward | o/ | 21:38 |
| darrenc | shilla should be here shortly | 21:38 |
| loquacities | yay! | 21:38 |
| darrenc | hey vichoward | 21:38 |
| loquacities | hi everyone o/ | 21:38 |
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| vichoward | hey darrenc | 21:38 |
| darrenc | hey gutbuster | 21:38 |
| gutbuster | hello there | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:40 |
| loquacities | hi ShillaSaebi :) | 21:40 |
| darrenc | hi ShillaSaebi | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry I'm late, work vpn and freenode sometimes don't get along | 21:40 |
| darrenc | no worries | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops-guide | 21:41 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 21:41:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yay it's official! | 21:41 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:41 |
| darrenc | woohoo! | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks @DarrenC | 21:41 |
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| darrenc | np | 21:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets do a roll call | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here for the ops guide meeting? | 21:42 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:42 |
| xavpaice | o/ | 21:42 |
| darrenc | \o | 21:42 |
| gutbuster | i am (chuck) | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the previous meeting | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: ops-guide)" | 21:42 | |
| ShillaSaebi | well one of the action items was to get on meetbot and to find a time/place that doesn't conflict with other meetings | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | that's been done thanks to darrenc | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | I went ahead and cancelled my meeting invite, we can stick to yours as the primary and our source of truth | 21:43 |
| darrenc | cool | 21:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | are we still ok with bi-weekly? | 21:44 |
| darrenc | I think it's fine for the moment | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | great so for the next one, we can send a reminder and maybe get some increased participation as well | 21:45 |
| darrenc | sounds good | 21:45 |
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| darrenc | I do send a reminder on irc and the mailing list | 21:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok great :) | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | so an action item that I had was to follow up with Nate on the RST migrations he had on his plate last week | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | I saw that 2 of them were merged | 21:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we can check to see how many more are in flight | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | one sec | 21:46 |
| darrenc | yep, I'm working on charle's stuff | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246607/ | 21:47 |
| darrenc | vichoward: I worked on two of your allocated sections | 21:48 |
| darrenc | there's two left | 21:48 |
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| darrenc | and one from Maria | 21:48 |
| vichoward | sorry about being a bit slow on mine, i have been on vacation, should have let you all know | 21:48 |
| vichoward | thank you for picking those up! | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | no problemo | 21:48 |
| darrenc | ahh ok | 21:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Feel free to send one my way as well, I can work on it in today | 21:49 |
| vichoward | i appreciate that | 21:49 |
| vichoward | i think i can handle the two | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:49 |
| darrenc | I'll chase up Maria | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok that sounds good | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we're almost there | 21:50 |
| darrenc | We're almost there | 21:50 |
| darrenc | yeah | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh jinx | 21:50 |
| darrenc | once it's done, I'll do a clean up | 21:50 |
| vichoward | cool | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright I can help with that as well | 21:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic revising and updating | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "revising and updating (Meeting topic: ops-guide)" | 21:51 | |
| ShillaSaebi | So we discussed an approach to revise the arch guide with virtual and real swarms? as well as dates... | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | it was hard to come up with a location that works for everyone since we're all so far away from one another | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | we came up with Hawaii but figured that would be a stretch :) | 21:51 |
| xavpaice | the ops list has a long thread about the ops midcycle location | 21:51 |
| vichoward | lol sounds good | 21:52 |
| darrenc | manchester? | 21:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes Manchester | 21:52 |
| xavpaice | so, for those of us that can attend it's heavy on cost, and those that can't it's nasty timezone? | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | we may be able to get a group together for Manchester but I'm not sure what that means for the summits etc. and to xavpaice your point....cost | 21:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so as we continue the discussions, the reality points us to doing it virtually | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | Open to suggestions though | 21:53 |
| darrenc | also a hypervisor tuning guide session is proposed at the midcycle | 21:54 |
| darrenc | so I'm wondering if that will dilute contributors to the arch guide? | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | it may | 21:54 |
| darrenc | Maybe we should start with a virtual sprint/swarm | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 21:56 |
| xavpaice | we'll soon find out how well it works | 21:56 |
| darrenc | But we'll need to have some planning sessions beforehand | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | Im sure that I can carve out a day to work on it | 21:56 |
| vichoward | i can commit to that as well, i'm sure we can rally the troops | 21:57 |
| darrenc | Is it possibly to carve out two days? | 21:57 |
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| gutbuster | in what tz? | 21:57 |
| darrenc | It's a big job | 21:57 |
| vichoward | for hawaii sure!, probably yes | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 21:57 |
| darrenc | well we can follow the sun | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | @darrenc it would have to be mid December | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's a little slower around that time for us | 21:57 |
| xavpaice | +1 | 21:58 |
| gutbuster | +1 | 21:58 |
| darrenc | good point | 21:58 |
| darrenc | I'd like to get consensus on the proposed TOC in the spec | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | so shall we shoot for mid december? | 21:58 |
| darrenc | and we should also inform the original arch guide authors | 21:59 |
| vichoward | works for me | 21:59 |
| loquacities | for the install guide conversion sprint, they picked two days and just told people to work on it on those days in their own tz | 21:59 |
| gutbuster | what did they use for coordination? the wiki? | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | loquacities that sounds a lot like where we're headed | 22:00 |
| loquacities | yeah, wiki and an etherpad, iirc | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | gutbuster vichoward nate and I can go into a conference room and work on it | 22:00 |
| vichoward | that seems to work well actually, irc with any issues work of the etherpad? | 22:00 |
| vichoward | totally | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'm liking it | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's not Hawaii, but hey | 22:01 |
| loquacities | yeah, shame about the hawaii plan :( | 22:01 |
| vichoward | we can put up a poster or two | 22:01 |
| loquacities | lol | 22:02 |
| vichoward | i'll wear a hawaiian shirt | 22:02 |
| gutbuster | just like fridays | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hahaha | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright anything else on the virtual meeting? | 22:02 |
| darrenc | action item? | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | darrenc how do you plan on working on the consensus | 22:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | shall we send something to the ML | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | yep ops and docs | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can take that action item, maybe create a doodle | 22:03 |
| loquacities | i can add it to the newsletter today, if you like? | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure! | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | that would be great | 22:03 |
| darrenc | thanks loquacities | 22:03 |
| loquacities | np | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action loquacities to let everyone know there will be a virtual architecture guide swarm soon to the newsletter | 22:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action Shilla to create a doodle and come up with a consensus for dates | 22:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action Shilla to send the doodle out to the docs and operators ML | 22:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright anything else on that topic? | 22:04 |
| darrenc | thanks ShillaSaebi | 22:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can touch back on the doodle results at the next meeting and set our date | 22:05 |
| loquacities | +1 | 22:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | December 3 will be our next meeting | 22:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | is that too short of notice? | 22:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | If we get enough response, I don't mind just posting it to the ML instead of waiting 2 weeks for the meeting | 22:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright sorry now really moving along | 22:06 |
| darrenc | +1 mailing list | 22:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Our approach | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Our approach (Meeting topic: ops-guide)" | 22:07 | |
| ShillaSaebi | So another thing we discussed was our approach to revising the architecture guide - besides the swarm that we have upcoming, which areas do we tackle first? | 22:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | should we look for SMEs | 22:08 |
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| darrenc | Look for SMEs and contributors | 22:08 |
| darrenc | Get them to review the spec | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:09 |
| darrenc | Put the proposed TOC on an etherpad for feedback and comments | 22:09 |
| xavpaice | another ml post with the links and specifics to what is needed? | 22:09 |
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| darrenc | and we can use it to allocate work and priorities | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone want to take on the task of starting up that etherpad | 22:10 |
| darrenc | I'll do it | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action darrenc to fire up an etherpad with the proposed TOC and ask ML for feedback and comments | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright sounds good, thats a good start | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on this topic? | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | going once | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | going twice | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | ..... | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Operations guide | 22:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | darrenc I don't have the latest update on that, last I checked we were waiting on O'Reilly | 22:13 |
| loquacities | i do! | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome, can you fill us in? | 22:13 |
| darrenc | yay | 22:13 |
| loquacities | so, i've gotten in contact with o'reilly | 22:14 |
| loquacities | and they said they have no current plans for the ops guide | 22:14 |
| loquacities | however, they would probably welcome a second edition | 22:14 |
| loquacities | this from brian: | 22:14 |
| loquacities | We haven't been planning on having a second edition of the book, but we'd | 22:14 |
| loquacities | consider it. Best thing would be for you or someone else on the writing | 22:14 |
| loquacities | team to propose a second edition (or a revision, which is lighter). | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | ah nice thanks for the update loquacities | 22:15 |
| loquacities | the other interesting info out of that exchange | 22:15 |
| loquacities | is that we've so far sold 3000 copies of the book since it was released | 22:15 |
| darrenc | nice! | 22:16 |
| loquacities | but sales have (obviously) tapered off over time as the content gets stale | 22:16 |
| loquacities | so i definitely think there's a market there for a revised edition, if that's something you're willing to take on | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | ooooooh | 22:16 |
| loquacities | i'll let your team decide what you want to do, but once you've got an idea we need to pitch it to o'reilly | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you very much for the update | 22:17 |
| darrenc | ok | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | that's good information | 22:17 |
| loquacities | i have a proposal form here which would need to be filled out, if you decide to do a second edition (or revision) | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | any thoughts on this, team? | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | my first thought is to wait until we've completed the architecture guide | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | and then maybe tackle this on around Austin timeframe | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | and I'm ok with revise or rewrite, both ideas sound appealing | 22:18 |
| loquacities | i think that's sensible, i don't think you want to combine this effort with other effort in a cycle | 22:18 |
| xavpaice | I'd be keen to avoid duplication so at least see the changes to the toc agreed on, but the work itself needs to be separated | 22:18 |
| loquacities | so +1 to this being an L-release item, not a mitaka one | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | absolutely | 22:19 |
| darrenc | +1 | 22:19 |
| loquacities | remember we still have the option to publish the arch guide through lulu, too | 22:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:19 |
| loquacities | provided we have a way to create an acceptable PDF | 22:19 |
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| loquacities | (nathaniel dillon is working on that problem for the security guide, so there's already effort in that direction) | 22:20 |
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| darrenc | good to know, thanks loquacities | 22:21 |
| loquacities | np | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok great | 22:22 |
| loquacities | hopefully that gives you some food for thought :) | 22:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes that sure does, we appreciate it | 22:22 |
| loquacities | np | 22:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we can table it and discuss it at a later time, its definitely something worth thinking about | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright anyone have anything else to add about the operations guide? | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | questions? comments? concerns? | 22:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open Discussion | 22:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ops-guide)" | 22:23 | |
| ShillaSaebi | We've got about 7 minutes left on the clock | 22:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | is there anything that anyone would like to bring up to discuss? | 22:23 |
| darrenc | I think that's a nope :P | 22:25 |
| xavpaice | :) | 22:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright well thank you all for joining | 22:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | see you at the next meeting and have a good one! | 22:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:26 | |
| darrenc | thanks everyone! | 22:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 22:26:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-11-19-21.41.html | 22:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-11-19-21.41.txt | 22:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-11-19-21.41.log.html | 22:26 |
| loquacities | thanks ShillaSaebi :) | 22:26 |
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| xavpaice | waves | 22:27 |
| xavpaice | dammit | 22:27 |
| darrenc | thanks ShillaSaebi | 22:27 |
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