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| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 06:30:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | hi | 06:30 |
| vnyyad | Hi | 06:30 |
| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | Hello | 06:30 |
| dedery | good morning/noon/afternoon/night :) | 06:30 |
| reedip | o/ | 06:30 |
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| vnyyad | shall we get into the agenda | 06:31 |
| vnyyad | thanks soichi for proposing the items for this weeks agenda | 06:32 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas Agenda | 06:32 |
| soichi | i got several important comments from Anil. | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | i guess anil is not in the meeting today but as he replied his commtnst to all of us we can discuss them | 06:34 |
| yamamoto | soichi: kaz: are you sure that "A mirrored traffic double back to br_int" is a real disadvantage? | 06:35 |
| soichi | yes, in terms of efficency. | 06:35 |
| yamamoto | as all userland bridges connected by patch ports are handled by a single datapath anyway... | 06:35 |
| yamamoto | soichi: do you have numbers? | 06:36 |
| soichi | excuse me, but what do you mean "numbers"? number of datapath? | 06:37 |
| vnyyad | soichi : performance numbers i suppose | 06:37 |
| yamamoto | yes, benchmark results | 06:38 |
| soichi | currently, we does not have. | 06:38 |
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| soichi | We are under planning to mesure. | 06:39 |
| yamamoto | ok. my guess is there isn't much difference performance-wise. | 06:39 |
| kaz | I thnk it must have complex flow entries. | 06:40 |
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| yamamoto | kaz: userland flows, i agree. i suspect no much difference in kernel flows though. | 06:41 |
| kaz | Sorry, what is "kernel flows"? | 06:43 |
| yamamoto | kaz: odp flows (vs openflow flows) | 06:43 |
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| trinaths | Hi | 06:44 |
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| yamamoto | kaz: are you familiar with ovs implementation? | 06:45 |
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| kaz | I can't answer right now. | 06:45 |
| vnyyad | anil has explained the reasons behind the current design in his mail yesterday | 06:48 |
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| reedip | Hello, I saw in Media: OperationsFromGUI_20151116-01.pdf that the TAP CLIs are supported. But I couldnt find any option in the Neutron Client | 06:48 |
| yamamoto | reedip: currently taas uses a dedicated "taas" command. | 06:49 |
| soichi | vnyyad: yes, i am trying to understand the backgroud. | 06:50 |
| vnyyad | reedip: Neutron client support for taas is proposed by soichi | 06:50 |
| vnyyad | should we have a mail list to discuss these items | 06:51 |
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| trinaths | taas - is just port monitoring or helps in vm ha? | 06:51 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: what's wrong with openstack-dev? | 06:52 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: we can use it, i guess we add [taas] to the subject | 06:53 |
| yamamoto | trinaths: just monitoring. it might be able to be used for some kind of HA but i have no idea. | 06:53 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: sure | 06:53 |
| reedip | yamamoto, vnyyad: It would be good if the following agendas are discussed on emails, so that everyone in loop knows whats happening. And I agree with yamamoto that the Openstack devlist with [taas] can be used | 06:53 |
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| vnyyad | reedipt: sure, that will be done from now on | 06:54 |
| dedery | shouldn't it be [neutron][taas]? | 06:54 |
| yamamoto | +1 [neutron][taas] | 06:54 |
| reedip | yeah, [neutron][taas] sounds better | 06:54 |
| trinaths | yamamoto: okay. what more can be done using this monitoring? | 06:54 |
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| soichi | +1 | 06:57 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:57 |
| vnyyad | trinaths: currently it is for mirroring the traffic from a particular port to another port, what you do with the mirrored traffic is not covered under taas right now | 06:58 |
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| vnyyad | +1 [neutron][taas] it will be | 06:59 |
| yamamoto | kaz: soichi: are you going to submit horizon patch? | 07:00 |
| yamamoto | #info we'll use [neutron][taas] on openstack-dev | 07:03 |
| soichi | No, it is just a first prototype. Before submit to horizon, we would like to share in TaaS project. | 07:03 |
| trinaths | vnyyad: can you be more clear on "particular port to another port" * | 07:03 |
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| vnyyad | trinaths: from one neutron port of another neutron port (which is call the tap service port) | 07:04 |
| dedery | trinaths: both ports belong to the same tenant | 07:05 |
| vnyyad | soichi: thanks for the work on horizon support for TaaS | 07:05 |
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| yamamoto | +1 | 07:05 |
| vnyyad | dedery: +1 | 07:05 |
| irenab | dedery: this maybe the case, that admin wants to mirror tenant traffic | 07:06 |
| trinaths | vnyyad dedery: confused | 07:06 |
| vnyyad | irenab: In the current implementation the admin has to create a user under the tenant to mirror flow | 07:08 |
| dedery | irenab: i'm aware of the use-case (especially lawful intercept) from what i read in the bp there was quite a discussion about this | 07:08 |
| dedery | irenab: not sure if the discussion reached any actionable conclusion | 07:09 |
| vnyyad | irenab: this was done to keep tenant in the loop that their traffic is being monitored by the admin, mainly for privacy | 07:09 |
| vnyyad | dedery: yes it was discussed at length during the spec reviews | 07:09 |
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| vnyyad | trinaths: Please refer to https://github.com/openstack/tap-as-a-service and the spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/8/specs/juno/tap-as-a-service.rst | 07:13 |
| yamamoto | how about finishing agenda items before having random discussions? | 07:13 |
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| dedery | yamamoto: +1 | 07:14 |
| irenab | dedery: fair enough | 07:14 |
| vnyyad | yes sure | 07:14 |
| vnyyad | :) | 07:14 |
| trinaths | vnyyad: thank you. will go through them | 07:14 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: can you use #topic to avoid sidetracking? | 07:14 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: i will | 07:14 |
| vnyyad | #topic isolation of production and mirrored traffics | 07:15 |
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| soichi | We proposed a dedicated tunnel to carrying mirrored traffic. | 07:16 |
| trinaths | soichi: can you provide the link ? | 07:17 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/7/78/TrafficIsolation_20151116-01.pdf | 07:17 |
| trinaths | thank you | 07:18 |
| soichi | I didn't mentioned in the document, | 07:18 |
| vnyyad | soichi: this might be helpful if there is a separate physical network to carry the mirrored traffic | 07:18 |
| soichi | definitely | 07:19 |
| vnyyad | but if uses the same underlying physical network what might be the advantage | 07:19 |
| vnyyad | The design was not to introduce more tunnels then already there | 07:20 |
| soichi | Although it depends on the physical configuration of a host, we want to map trafiics to different pysical NIC | 07:20 |
| vnyyad | soichi: in cases of having a different physical networks i see a good use of the proposed design, one network for production traffic and another for mirrored and admin and other traffic | 07:22 |
| kaz | I may be easy to control QoS. | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | any thoughts on this from others | 07:24 |
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| yamamoto | i wonder how much it complicates the code | 07:25 |
| vnyyad | we have 5 mins in the meeting, i propose that we bring this up for discussion in the next meeting too along with discussing this on the mailing list | 07:26 |
| soichi | we would like to share the source code we have implemented. | 07:26 |
| yamamoto | soichi: great. | 07:27 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: +1 | 07:27 |
| vnyyad | soichi: that would be good | 07:27 |
| yamamoto | let's move on quickly | 07:28 |
| reedip | soichi: +1 | 07:28 |
| vnyyad | On the Dashboard support for TaaS, The effort is really appreciated and thanks for that | 07:28 |
| soichi | tahnks | 07:28 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/2/2e/OperationsFromGUI_20151116-01.pdf | 07:29 |
| reedip | I found only Create and Delete options, is an Update option viable? | 07:29 |
| vnyyad | Anil in his mail has some good suggestions on this | 07:29 |
| vnyyad | reedip there is not option for update yet in the TaaS API, we currently support create and delete for Tap Service and Tap Flow | 07:31 |
| reedip | ok | 07:31 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i guess it isn't too important as only updatable fields akkkre name and description | 07:31 |
| vnyyad | i have to end the meeting now, but will add the items remaining to the next meeting agenda | 07:31 |
| reedip | yamamoto: I was also thinking in the similar lines | 07:31 |
| vnyyad | any other business | 07:32 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: sure. and/or discuss on ML. | 07:32 |
| vnyyad | ok then | 07:32 |
| soichi | thank you | 07:32 |
| vnyyad | Bye everybody | 07:33 |
| reedip | Please share Anil's comments on the ML | 07:33 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 07:33 |
| kaz | bye | 07:33 |
| dedery | thank you all | 07:33 |
| dedery | bye | 07:33 |
| reedip | that would allow everyone to come in sync | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | reedip: we will | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | bye | 07:33 |
| reedip | +1 , tc :) | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 07:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 07:33:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-18-06.30.html | 07:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-18-06.30.txt | 07:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-18-06.30.log.html | 07:33 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 09:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek_ | Hi everyone | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek_ | Our agenda today: | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek_ | * Current status and progress from last week | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek_ | * Review action items | 09:01 |
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| ifat_afek_ | * Next steps | 09:01 |
| ifat_afek_ | * Open Discussion | 09:01 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #topic Current status and progress from last week | 09:01 |
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| ifat_afek_ | Almost all of our blueprints are up to date, and in the process of being reviewed. | 09:01 |
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| ifat_afek_ | . Missing one blueprint with the use cases we are about to support in mitaka. | 09:02 |
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| ifat_afek_ | Please invest the time to review each-other’s blueprints. | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek_ | We have also asked people from Pinpoint, Doctor, Ceilometer and Monasca to review our blueprints. We got some reviews from Gal Sagie from Pinpoint, which is great. | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek_ | Let’s try to finish the review process by next week. | 09:03 |
| elisha_rosenswei | To clarify: the missing bp is related to the RCA/deduced alarm use case. initial use cases for mitaka in other areas of Vitrage have been determined | 09:03 |
| lhartal | We had a design meeting where we decided on our first use case – show all topology | 09:04 |
| lhartal | We split the use case into tasks and assign them between us.. | 09:04 |
| lhartal | Show all Topology use case includes building the entity graph with Nova.instances and Nova.hosts and exposing show topology API. | 09:05 |
| nadav_yakar | we have also made a progress in our synchronizer design - | 09:05 |
| nadav_yakar | it is now adapted to listen for openstack message bus notifications | 09:06 |
| nadav_yakar | in addition to the former design which samples OS services via REST API | 09:06 |
| nadav_yakar | once we finalise this design and break it down to tasks, | 09:07 |
| nadav_yakar | I am going to update our blueprint and gerrit accordingly | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek_ | great. once the API is finished, please add it to vitrage wiki page | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal, that goes for your API as well | 09:08 |
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| lhartal | #action lhartal document API in Vitrage wiki page | 09:09 |
| nadav_yakar | ifat, we are not currently planning on revealing any external API | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok, so no need to document it | 09:11 |
| nadav_yakar | I will clarify - the latest design is that we are going to be used as an internal library by vitrage | 09:11 |
| ifat_afek_ | cool. how is the UI progressing? | 09:12 |
| aheller | Hey.... We have some good news ! | 09:12 |
| aheller | We have "Hello World" plugin working on the Horizon | 09:12 |
| oetrog | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/plugins.html?cm_mc_uid=47957347875914472483394&cm_mc_sid_50200000=1447685453 we use this as a reference to our vitrage horizon plugin | 09:13 |
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| aheller | We have a new launchpad for the UI Vitrage project, So we'll move our blueprints | 09:14 |
| aheller | https://launchpad.net/vitrage-dashboard | 09:14 |
| aheller | #link https://launchpad.net/vitrage-dashboard | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek_ | that's great news | 09:15 |
| aheller | We got some help from robcresswell and it was very helpful | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok, thanks. any other updates anyone? | 09:16 |
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| eyalb | We created a new python-vitrageclient project and launchpad | 09:18 |
| eyalb | added some files | 09:18 |
| elisha_rosenswei | great! | 09:18 |
| eyalb | #link https://launchpad.net/python-vitrageclient | 09:20 |
| eyalb | also moved the cli blueprint from vitrage to vitrage-pythonclient | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek_ | great. so we have one blueprint in vitrage-pythonclient launchpad, and another blueprint on vitrage-dashboard launchpad | 09:21 |
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| nadav_yakar | I am currently looking for a best practice for concurrency handling in openstack projects. | 09:22 |
| nadav_yakar | Although I see that many projects already use the Eventlet library, I’d rather work with python’s multiprocessing library, since for my understanding, the later works with processes, in contrast to eventlet. | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek_ | and do you know of any project using the multiprocessing library? | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek_ | or all use Eventlet? | 09:23 |
| ayah | it is better than use the threading in python | 09:23 |
| nadav_yakar | I have taken a peek at Nova and seen they uses Eventlet, | 09:23 |
| emalin | I think that ceilometer should be good reference | 09:23 |
| nadav_yakar | but GNOCCHI uses the standard python multiprocessing library\ | 09:24 |
| nadav_yakar | I am about to talk with Julian, their PTL | 09:24 |
| emalin | Vitrage is more similar to ceilometer than nova | 09:24 |
| eyalb | to my understanding if your program is mostly oi bound then there is no issue with the GIL so you can use threads | 09:25 |
| eyalb | #link https://docs.python.org/2/library/multiprocessing.html | 09:26 |
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| eyalb | GIL is always released when doing I/O | 09:26 |
| eyalb | #link https://docs.python.org/2/glossary.html#term-global-interpreter-lock | 09:27 |
| nadav_yakar | thanks Eyal. I will have a look, although that I believe that we'd rather use processes if possible | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok. let's move on | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Review action items | 09:29 |
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| ifat_afek_ | let's see if what was our progress regarding the action items from last week | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | 1. ifat_afek make sure we finish updating our blueprints in the following days | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | this is almost done. one blueprint is missing | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action ifat_afek finish the last blueprint. | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | 2. talk with them at room openstack-searchlight | 09:30 |
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| nadav_yakar | we have used searchlight for a reference for using oslo messaging | 09:32 |
| nadav_yakar | so the way that I see it, this AI is done | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek_ | no need to talk with them? | 09:33 |
| nadav_yakar | not at this stage | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek_ | 3. all finish the discussions regarding the synchronizer, and optionally update its blueprint | 09:33 |
| nadav_yakar | as I said, we are going to finalize our blueprints once we finish our design and breakdown our tasks | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek_ | so it's an action item for next week? | 09:35 |
| nadav_yakar | #action nadav_yakar update synchronizer blueprint and gerrit | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek_ | thanks. moving on | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek_ | 4. all assign blueprints to developers | 09:36 |
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| ifat_afek_ | done. I assigned the correct developer for each of the blueprints that are going to be implemented in the coming few weeks. Some of them will be implemented by more than one person. | 09:36 |
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| ifat_afek_ | 5. alexey_weyl contact Doctor guys, ask them to review our blueprints | 09:37 |
| alexey_weyl | I sent an email to Doctor PTL | 09:37 |
| alexey_weyl | and main Doctor contributers | 09:37 |
| alexey_weyl | But they hasn't answered yet | 09:38 |
| alexey_weyl | If the won't answer untill tommorow, I will send them a remainder | 09:38 |
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| ifat_afek_ | ok | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek_ | next | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek_ | 6. ifat_afek contact PinPoint guys, ask them to review our blueprints | 09:39 |
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| ifat_afek_ | I sent an email to PinPoint guys. Adi said he would review our blueprints. Gal already did | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek_ | 7. elisha_rosenswei check horizon alarm management blueprint | 09:40 |
| ^Gal^ | I can update | 09:40 |
| elisha_rosenswei | so we verified the existence of the ceilometer (actually, Aodh) api to list all the alarms, and began checking the ui for this | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek_ | go ahead | 09:41 |
| ^Gal^ | so the Horizon blueprint assigned to sanjana | 09:41 |
| ^Gal^ | I tried to contact him via mail | 09:41 |
| ^Gal^ | to offer our assistance and ask where things stand | 09:42 |
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| ^Gal^ | I don't know if he's still involved with openstack | 09:42 |
| ifat_afek_ | when did you email him? | 09:42 |
| ^Gal^ | his account doesn't seem active, and I didn't get a reply back | 09:42 |
| ^Gal^ | week ago | 09:42 |
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| ^Gal^ | I would attend Horizon meeting today and ask their ptl for advise | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek_ | great | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek_ | so it's an action item | 09:43 |
| elisha_rosenswei | One thing we will need to decide, though, is if we want to use this Aodh ui, or a different one. The main consideration here is to think what we will do if and when we integrate with other projects , like Monasca | 09:43 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #action ^Gal^ understand the status of ceilometer alarms ui blueprint | 09:44 |
| ^Gal^ | sure do, thanks | 09:44 |
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| ifat_afek_ | elisha, I think that if we want to push deduced alarms to AODH, we better write the UI on top of AODH | 09:46 |
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| ifat_afek_ | who wants to take this action item? | 09:48 |
| elisha_rosenswei | I'll take it\ | 09:48 |
| elisha_rosenswei | #action elisha_rosensweig decide on where to get the list alarms ui | 09:49 |
| nadav_yakar | #action nadav_yakar find a best practice for concurrency handling in openstack projects | 09:49 |
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| ifat_afek_ | ok. let's move to the next topic... | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Next Steps | 09:50 |
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| ifat_afek_ | I think we talked about most of them already | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action finish review of the blueprints | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | hopefully by next week our blueprints should pass review | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | anything else? | 09:51 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Open Discussion | 09:52 |
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| elisha_rosenswei | One thing we will need to decide regarding the interaction of the Synchronizer and the graph. Do we assume that all the information, including which resources to attach to in the graph, is contained in the event? or can/should the graph query for additional info after an event arrives? | 09:54 |
| alexey_weyl | Good question Elisha | 09:54 |
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| nadav_yakar | elisha, we are still in the process of investigating which data is available for each entity on the message bus | 09:56 |
| emalin | I think it's specific to each entity and reach event | 09:56 |
| nadav_yakar | this is an ongoing task | 09:56 |
| emalin | *each | 09:57 |
| nadav_yakar | true | 09:57 |
| nadav_yakar | hence it would be an ongoing task | 09:57 |
| lhartal | Hopefully we want to get all the needed info and the initial event. this will help us in performence - because we dont want to query back and forth for each event | 09:57 |
| alexey_weyl | We should sit and check this more thoroughly | 09:58 |
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| ifat_afek_ | we need to finish, let's discuss it later | 09:58 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action decide what information is part of the synchronizer events | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek_ | thanks everybody | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek_ | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 09:59:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-18-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-18-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-18-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting HorizonDrivers | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 12:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HorizonDrivers)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 12:00 |
| david-lyle | anyone around? | 12:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:00 |
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| robcresswell | Well. Bet you're glad you got up for this one. | 12:01 |
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| david-lyle | wondering about the long term benefit of this time | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | for a meeting | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | the attendance is generally sparse and the usual suspects typically show for the 2000 UTC | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | :/ | 12:03 |
| masco | o/ | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | I looked at the bug list yesterday, > 1000 | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, we can just do it every other week at 200UTC I guess | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | :( | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | I just don't have the time to get to get on top of it right now | 12:04 |
| mrunge | o/ | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | me either, looked at many yesterday | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | some are very old, and I'm not sure still valid | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | but checking them all is very time consuming | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | Agreed | 12:05 |
| masco | may be interested people dived with us and validate | 12:06 |
| masco | and we can discuss during the meeting | 12:06 |
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| robcresswell | How would you like to scope cleanup of bugs? I'm inclined to be more aggressive about it, like I was with the bps. | 12:06 |
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| david-lyle | we could organize a bug day too for horizon | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | just have people focus on triaging and classifying bugs | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | and cross talk on questions | 12:07 |
| mrunge | that'd be helpful | 12:07 |
| doug-fish | I thought we already tried the bug day thing | 12:07 |
| doug-fish | wasn't Wednesday supposed to be bug day? | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: ? | 12:08 |
| mrunge | who can set the status of a bug? | 12:08 |
| masco | but we are not following the bug day, i guess | 12:08 |
| robcresswell | It was brought up a few weeks back | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: anyone on the horizon-bugs team | 12:08 |
| mrunge | I mean, who can remove assignees? | 12:08 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: I think anyone can assign themselves, unsure about just removing | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | see my above answer | 12:09 |
| mrunge | got you | 12:09 |
| mrunge | thanks | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | horizon-bugs is core + a few | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | although most of the few are now core I think :-) | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | :D | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | I didn't follow through with scheduling a bug day yet, if we agreed to that in the past | 12:10 |
| mrunge | I can't remember that | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | I definitely recall a discussion | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | which I don't remember | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | May be going mad... | 12:10 |
| doug-fish | Maybe it didn't happen. Maybe I'm having visions of the future? | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | well I'm forgetful at 5 am too | 12:11 |
| betherly | doug-fish: time travel | 12:11 |
| mrunge | that hurts, david-lyle | 12:11 |
| betherly | btw, hi all! :D | 12:11 |
| doug-fish | betherly: could be. What year is it? | 12:11 |
| betherly | 2080 | 12:11 |
| mrunge | when do you have dst switch? | 12:11 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 12:11 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: daylight savings change was about 2 weeks ago | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | while we were in tokyo went to off DST, not back on until spring | 12:12 |
| betherly | dst is annoying | 12:13 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, aha, same for us. I assumed, those times would become saner for you. apparently it did not | 12:13 |
| mrunge | they did not, I meant | 12:13 |
| mrunge | I like the idea of cleaning bugs | 12:13 |
| mrunge | that could even mean, scrub bugs not touched for > 1 year | 12:14 |
| robcresswell | First though; do we want to keep this meeting slot? | 12:14 |
| mrunge | I'm +1 for moving to 20 UTC | 12:14 |
| doug-fish | 20 UTC is better for me | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | Of the cores its only myself and matthias that this is easier for and usually attend I think | 12:15 |
| mrunge | but that will exclude amotoki | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | And I'll nearly always attend the respective 2000UTC anyway | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | Ah, true | 12:15 |
| mrunge | but yes robcresswell you're right | 12:15 |
| mrunge | masco, does a meeting at 20 UTC work for you? | 12:16 |
| mrunge | that is in about 8 hours? | 12:16 |
| masco | no way | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | haha | 12:16 |
| masco | it is 1 am in india | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | There is still the usual Horizon meeting | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | This is just the drivers meeting we're talking about changing. | 12:16 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, robcresswell the other idea would be to switch session chairs | 12:17 |
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| robcresswell | That also works | 12:17 |
| mrunge | since usual suspects like robcresswell and me will attend the other meeting anyways | 12:17 |
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| robcresswell | Although, then it would just be me and mrunge, I expect :p | 12:17 |
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| mrunge | and masco, amotoki and a few others, who could not attend at 20 UTC | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Sure | 12:18 |
| * mrunge looking at timur | 12:18 | |
| robcresswell | Ah yes, he's on PTO I believe | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: How does that sound? Me or mrunge could just chair so you don't have to be dragged out of bed at 5am. | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | The counter point tbh though, is that there isnt much value in a bp discussion with 4/5 people, vs 10 - 20. | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I don't mind being here at 5am, my concern was more around having a quorum | 12:19 |
| mrunge | and we could use this time for example to clean up bugs | 12:20 |
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| mrunge | right | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | but triaging bugs is a worthy goal as well | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | Alternate bug/bp cleanup? | 12:20 |
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| robcresswell | That sounds sensible | 12:20 |
| mrunge | sounds good to me | 12:20 |
| masco | +1 for alternate | 12:20 |
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| david-lyle | so do we want to do bps or bugs today? | 12:21 |
| mrunge | I would like to talk about the bp we left undecided last time | 12:22 |
| mrunge | (the local-settings.d one) | 12:22 |
| mrunge | but it was quite controversial | 12:22 |
| mrunge | it might be fairer to move that to the weekly meeting at 20 UTC? | 12:22 |
| robcresswell | I just commented a small while ago | 12:22 |
| mrunge | I just saw that | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: agree that might be better for 2000 | 12:23 |
| robcresswell | Shall we run through a few bugs then? | 12:24 |
| mrunge | yes please | 12:24 |
| masco | +1 | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | sure | 12:24 |
| mrunge | unfortunately I have to drop off, kid#1 just arrived, demanding lunch | 12:24 |
| robcresswell | dammit kid#¡ | 12:25 |
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| david-lyle | mention bugs and people run ;-) | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | ha | 12:25 |
| mrunge | hahaha | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: no worries | 12:25 |
| mrunge | at least, I didn't try to assign people to bugs | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | We might assign some to you while you're gone | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | so I started looking at bugs again yesterday | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | only about the first 400 even have a priority | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | the next 602 are still undecided | 12:27 |
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| david-lyle | but that's not to say all that have a priority set are still valid either | 12:28 |
| masco | fix got merged but still in inprogress https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1461047 | 12:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461047 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "description column is missing in firewall tables" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Masco (masco) | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | I think it might help to define at what point we can just cut a bug and wait for it to be revived if its still an issue | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | masco: fixed | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 12:30 |
| masco | no problem | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: bugs are harder to cut IMO | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | they really only get cut if they are invalid | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | just because no one has worked on it in 2 years, it can still be a bug | 12:31 |
| masco | i think that should be fix released i guess | 12:31 |
| doug-fish | masco: it is again - that was my mistake | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | while for feature addition, it's just an idea and we can just remove | 12:32 |
| masco | doug-fish, no problem | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | I would say that most bugs around for 2 years that are valid are either low priority, or blocked | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | Sure. I'm just wondering if there's much value in having 800 low bugs that nobody has either the time or money to be inclined to solve. | 12:33 |
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| robcresswell | We can definitely work on prioritising those 600 that are just unreviewed though | 12:34 |
| masco | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1461018 same issue | 12:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461018 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "description column is missing in vpn tables" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Masco (masco) | 12:34 |
| robcresswell | masco: Done | 12:35 |
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| masco | thanks rob | 12:35 |
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| doug-fish | what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1282089 ? that's been open for a long time and is "high" priority | 12:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1282089 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "keystone client is leaving hanging connections to the server" [High,Confirmed] | 12:38 |
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| david-lyle | doug-fish: not entirely sure on that one. | 12:40 |
| doug-fish | I'll spend a few mins with it and see if it is still recreatable | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | yeah a lot of these take a fair amount of effort to reproduce | 12:41 |
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| robcresswell | Speak to neillc, it looks like he looked over it recently | 12:41 |
| doug-fish | robcresswell: sure, sounds good! | 12:42 |
| robcresswell | I'm not sure group discussion of bugs is that helpful? We just need to spend time on it, probably instead of meetings. | 12:43 |
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| masco | yes rob, if anything needs to discuss then we can talk in meetings. | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: true | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I think a bug day is more effective | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | everyone dives into some and cross-talks as necessary | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 12:45 |
| doug-fish | works for me | 12:45 |
| doug-fish | Some tips for what to do on bug day: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 12:45 |
| masco | i saw some bugs with abandoned patch, what action need to taken on that? | 12:46 |
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| david-lyle | masco: probably best course on those is to remove the owner | 12:47 |
| doug-fish | masco: maybe reset from in-progress to new as well | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | if the patch is abandoned and not quickly revived, I don't think they are actively working on it | 12:48 |
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| masco | looks good | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: what linting tool are you proposing for SCSS linting? | 12:48 |
| masco | i don't have permission to do that. | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/scss-lint | 12:48 |
| * david-lyle went back to bps :P | 12:48 | |
| masco | if i find anything i will ask some of you guys | 12:48 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: Oh, you can scrap that | 12:49 |
| robcresswell | I was chatting with diana the other day and considering adding something | 12:49 |
| robcresswell | after about 10 minutes I noped outta there | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | gone | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/scss-lint marked obsolete | 12:49 |
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| robcresswell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-theme-preview << This one, possibly? | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/integrate-magic-search approved per summit discussions | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-theme-preview approved | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | I did mark it low | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | too much markup..? | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | exactly | 12:54 |
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| robcresswell | When did we want to hold this bug day? | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | I'm sure previously we said thursday, but I cant find it in the logs | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | Which worries me, because now I think I may have dreamed of Horizon having a bug day. | 12:58 |
| doug-fish | no! it happened! | 12:58 |
| masco | we planed | 12:59 |
| masco | but not executed | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | I must have missed an action assigned to me | 12:59 |
| doug-fish | hmm, maybe this explains the low participation | 12:59 |
| robcresswell | So... Thursday bug day? | 12:59 |
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| masco | no issue for me | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/address-scopes marked drafting | 13:00 |
| doug-fish | maybe make it clear its "Bug Triage day", not a day to find more bugs! | 13:01 |
| masco | i think it is about adding a new panel for address scope | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bp-cisco-fwaas-horizon marked obsolete | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | time's over, but... | 13:03 |
| david-lyle | I think if we continue to hold this meeting, it needs to stay on bps and leave bug triage for bug days | 13:03 |
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| david-lyle | I'm going to sidestep the action this time | 13:04 |
| robcresswell | I honestly don't think we really need it. We still have the usual horizon meeting anyway. This was just for bps, and all the attending cores are happy to do 2000UTC... | 13:04 |
| david-lyle | does someone want to post an email to the dev mailing list re: bug day? | 13:04 |
| robcresswell | Sure. Are we intending it to be weekly? | 13:05 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: oh no | 13:05 |
| robcresswell | haha | 13:05 |
| david-lyle | I would like to hold one and see how it goes | 13:05 |
| robcresswell | Shall we say a week on Thursday then? | 13:05 |
| david-lyle | if we get decent numbers we can make significant progress | 13:05 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: sure | 13:05 |
| doug-fish | Thanksgiving | 13:06 |
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| david-lyle | err no then | 13:06 |
| robcresswell | >.< | 13:06 |
| robcresswell | Lets discuss later when its not 5am. | 13:06 |
| david-lyle | ok :) | 13:06 |
| masco | :) | 13:06 |
| robcresswell | And then I'll send out an email :) | 13:06 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 13:06 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone! | 13:07 |
| masco | thanks | 13:07 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 13:07:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-18-12.00.html | 13:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-18-12.00.txt | 13:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-18-12.00.log.html | 13:07 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 15:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:01 |
| witek | hi | 15:02 |
| bmotz | o/ | 15:02 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:02 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:02 |
| s-kawabata_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | hello everyone | 15:02 |
| bklei | good morning! | 15:02 |
| ddieterly | \o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Please add to agenda at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| witek | good afternoon :) | 15:02 |
| tgraichen | good afternoon | 15:02 |
| tomasztrebski | more or less evening even :-) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | gooten morgen | 15:02 |
| bklei | :) | 15:02 |
| s-kawabata_ | good night :) | 15:03 |
| tomasztrebski | 0-0 | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic GPL in monasca-{common, api} | 15:03 |
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| ddieterly | Gunter glieben glauchen globen | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | anyone got something to say | 15:04 |
| bklei | besides we like def lepard? | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | The topic is the GPL MySQL library in monasca-common | 15:04 |
| ddieterly | bklei: +1 | 15:04 |
| witek | yes, we have that mysql-python dependency | 15:04 |
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| witek | which brings GPL2 license | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | That library isn't an issue for HP | 15:04 |
| witek | Apache2 is not compatible with GPL2 | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | We reviewed with our legal | 15:05 |
| witek | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2 | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | I don't really want to get into why HP Legal feels like we are covered | 15:05 |
| witek | and frankly, we have very little chances that our legal department will let us go with it | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | and would rather focus on getting this resolved for the entire community | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | so, there is an alternative MIT licencsed mysql library | 15:06 |
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| witek | yes, pymysql | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | is it a drop in replacement for the MySQL library | 15:06 |
| witek | we could also take sqlalchemy to make DB replaceble | 15:07 |
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| fabiog | +1 | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | If it is, then I think we could modify the requirements file, do some testing to confirm no issues and move on | 15:07 |
| bklei | +1 on avoiding lawyer discussions | 15:07 |
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| ddieterly | bklei: the party of the first part agrees with the party of the second part... | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | So, SQL alchemy is a much bigger fix | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | change | 15:08 |
| witek | yes, but we would definitely be interested in it | 15:09 |
| witek | without orm though | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | We could debate SQLAlchemy vs hand-written SQL statements and never get anywhere | 15:09 |
| witek | what do you mean? | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | SQLAlchemy can often get in the way | 15:10 |
| tomasztrebski | simply that there are as many advantages as there is disadvantages for ORM solutions | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | Yes | 15:11 |
| witek | you can use sqlalchemy without orm | 15:12 |
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| tomasztrebski | I believe that this is something we did in monasca-notification, right ? | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i'm not an expert on sqlalchemy | 15:13 |
| witek | anyway, i think replacing mysql-python with pymysql ist worth a try | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, maybe let's not debate over that matter right now, we have more urgent issue about this GLP stuff | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | OK, so if the pymysql library is a drop in replacment, that the rest of OpenStack is using, then I would say let's convert over and see if it works | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | there are also other things, that basically from what I learned openstack projects are more or less MIT, Apache2...BSD is less common, and if there's a GPL it is most likely LGLP which is compatible with Apache2 | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | we did somethign similar with the drizzle drive for Java recently | 15:15 |
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| tomasztrebski | as well as the library seems to be active, as I mentioned in mailing list MySQL-Python had recent activity at github over 2 year ago | 15:16 |
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| tomasztrebski | in opposite to pymysql | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | 2 years is a long time | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | so, let's try converting, then we can discuss sqlalchemy another day | 15:17 |
| tomasztrebski | I think that anyone'd agree that this is rather a huge gap in IT | 15:17 |
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| tomasztrebski | +1 | 15:17 |
| witek | +1 | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | What is the huge gap? | 15:18 |
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| tomasztrebski | 2 years in development of..pretty much any application, library | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | oh yes | 15:18 |
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| tomasztrebski | just to close down that subject, porting to pymysql means changes in monasca-{api, thresh, common}, is there is something I forgot ? | 15:19 |
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| s-kawabata_ | not maintained software is dead I often heard. | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | I think that is it | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | Changes to requirements are only necessary, right? | 15:20 |
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| witek | have to test | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | correct | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | no changes to monasca-thresh as that is java only right now | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | monasca-persister doesn't use MySQL | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | monasca-notification has to be changed | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | monasca-api, monasca-notification, monasca-common | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | i think that is the list | 15:21 |
| witek | #action test pymysql replacement for mysql-python | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i think that is relatively easy with the new Tempest tests that are in CI | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | OK, how about a new topic | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | +1 | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | that was a lot of fun though | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | ;-) | 15:23 |
| witek | +1 | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | what topics from last week didn't we cover | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | that we should go into detail on | 15:23 |
| bklei | none from me | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | or discuss | 15:24 |
| tomasztrebski | I'd like to go with my tempest test and one question from me | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | #topic tempest | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz, the floor is yours | 15:24 |
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| tomasztrebski | recently I finally managed to find a time to get back to alarm state history, basically with the fix in gerrit I proposed old tests in AlarmStateHistory are passing in 100%, plus I wrote a new one | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | I tried to present changing the offset (i.e. paging) with changed limit, so every possible combination | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | it also passes | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | Is this "Fix for alarm history paging" | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | yeah, that's one | 15:26 |
| tomasztrebski | using monasca-api github-master, I have failures, not only in new test but also in those that were already there | 15:26 |
| ddieterly | tomasztrebski: not all tests are passing currently | 15:27 |
| ddieterly | we are working on that | 15:27 |
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| tomasztrebski | but do you mean not all regarding alarm state history ? I concentrated only on that specific test | 15:27 |
| tomasztrebski | and yesterday when I finished I repeated this this about 9 times and had 9 success | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | These changes were in the Java API, and the Java API, was close to 100%. | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | I think I was seeign only 2 tests fail. | 15:28 |
| ddieterly | i'm not sure which tests are not passing, but there are a lot that don't pass with the python | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | There are 17 passes in the Python API that don't pass | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | As far as I know, only 2 fail in Java | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | So, we are trying to get that resolved ASAP | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | So, what should we do? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | Seem liek you think the code is ready to go | 15:30 |
| tomasztrebski | yes, but only for the java, honestly I did not even think of python:( | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | So, we could take a look and run the tests too | 15:30 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think I was too happy that I saw success :D | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | OK, we'll take a look and render a verdict | 15:30 |
| tomasztrebski | please do, thx | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | trying to keep the legal theme going today | 15:31 |
| bklei | :) | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | ok, next topic | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for the test tomasz | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | and the bug fix | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | if I may, just short question only | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | np :) | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | schnell, schnell | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | do you have any recipe regarding monitoring an app ? For instance I was thinking on adding some metrics to monasca log api, but clearly I have no idea how to do that ? I was a project - monasca-statsd, but I am not sure if that's a right way to go, if I'd like to use monasca-agent to collects stats from monasca-log-apo | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | and ideally create some alarms | 15:33 |
| witek | Tomasz is not German, he's Polish :) | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Sorry, i couldn't resist :-) | 15:33 |
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| tomasztrebski | "szybciej, szybciej" or "ruchy ruchy" if you please :) | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | that's the polish way...I mean polite one :) | 15:33 |
| tgraichen | don't know if it fits here - i had a look at the grafana2 integration from rbak and it looked quite good to me so far - is there any rough timeline for the real keystone integration into the monasca datasource in grafana2? | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | Getting back the the question | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i think monasca-statsd is one good way | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | it is basically a statsd library with the ability to provide dimensions | 15:35 |
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| tomasztrebski | mhm, but do you guys plan to use that for instance for python monasca-api ? I mean, you surely want to have some sort of metrics for main brick in whole system, right ? | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | we already instrument the python notification engine using the statsd library | 15:36 |
| tomasztrebski | and I'd like to keep monasca-log-api in that subject the same as the rest of components | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | so the goal in the python code is to use statsd for all monitoring of monitoring | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | so, does that cover that question | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | sounds funny :), ok so statsd it is. I don't ask about an agent, it is most likely easy to collect that data later | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | yes, it does, thank you | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | in hos we deploy the monasc agent on the systems that are running monasca too, and then use statsd for monitoring them in the case of the python components | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | so we are monitoring monitoring | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | sounds cool | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | tgraichen rbak is the engineer doing the grafana 2 integration | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | rbak are you there? | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | any updates on grafana 2 | 15:39 |
| rbak | Nothing at the moment. | 15:40 |
| rbak | I got pulled off to work on some other things so hopefully I can get back to grafana soon | 15:40 |
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| tgraichen | do you have a complete idea of how the keystone integration should be at the end or are you still in planning stages? | 15:40 |
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| rbak | Just planning right now. The auth isn't pluggable so this looks like it's going to be a more complicated change. | 15:41 |
| rbak | As soon as I know more I'll put the information on the blueprint | 15:42 |
| tgraichen | ok - thanks a lot | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | ok, next topic | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | #topic start/end time args for metrics list change ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241626/ | 15:42 |
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| bklei | that's me | 15:42 |
| bklei | ^^^ is ready from my perspective, bmotz has looked at it, would appreciate more eyes | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | OK, we'll get to it | 15:43 |
| bklei | gracias | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | look like you did java, python and tempest tests | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | so, i agree looks complete | 15:44 |
| bklei | yup -- had to blow the dust off my influxdb knowledge :) | 15:44 |
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| bklei | thx to ddieterly for devstack! | 15:44 |
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| ddieterly | ur welcome! | 15:44 |
| bmotz | python looked fine to me, but I did't look at the Java yet | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | that was me that did that | 15:44 |
| ddieterly | uh, yea... | 15:44 |
| bklei | then thx to you rhochmuth! | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, inside joke, couldn't resist | 15:44 |
| bklei | great for this type of change that touches lots of stuff | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | ddieterly did it | 15:45 |
| ddieterly | we need to get this review out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244912/18 | 15:45 |
| bklei | oh, then i take it back | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | joes are tough in irc | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | jokes are touch in irc | 15:45 |
| ddieterly | allows easier development by binding services to externally accessible ip | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll probably just +2 | 15:45 |
| bklei | lgtm | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | #topic caching | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | i started writing some code | 15:46 |
| bklei | cool | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | unfortunately, i keep getting piled on with meetings | 15:46 |
| bklei | :( | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't have a ETA | 15:47 |
| bklei | np -- let me know when there's a review to look at | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | how long can you wait on this? | 15:47 |
| bklei | sheesh, you know how things are | 15:47 |
| ddieterly | rhochmuth: do we have a design for that? | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll review with you | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | or whoever else want to be involved | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | basically adding some hash maps to the measurements repo, similar to the persister | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | to map from (region, tenant, name, dimensions) => definition_dimensions_id | 15:49 |
| bklei | are you looking at statistics calls, or statistics and measurements? | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm just look at the measurements right now, but the mechansims is basiclaly the same | 15:49 |
| ddieterly | is this going to be going into python and java? | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | only Java, as this is a Vertica improvment only | 15:49 |
| bklei | no vertica in python, probably not needed | 15:49 |
| bklei | yeah, what he said | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | #topic midcycle | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | it is not too soon | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | to start discussing | 15:50 |
| bklei | cool | 15:50 |
| bklei | ideas on location/hosting? | 15:50 |
| bklei | twc is in office transition, probably can't host | 15:51 |
| witek | when is it planed? | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | San Jose or Berlin | 15:51 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: we can host | 15:51 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: both in San Jose or Berlin | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | Yes, Cisco was going to host | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | they have offices in San Jose and Berlin | 15:52 |
| bklei | fabiog maybe you put up another voting site for dates? | 15:52 |
| fabiog | bklei: yes | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | and locations | 15:52 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:52 |
| fabiog | will do that | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | just a quick check then, will folks that are in europe be able to travel to San Jose | 15:52 |
| fabiog | if we do it in SJC I can try to coordinate a joint day/session with Congress | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | That would be good to add | 15:53 |
| witek | have to check | 15:53 |
| witek | which month? | 15:53 |
| fabiog | for SJC in January | 15:54 |
| tgraichen | i think for me and joachim it might be complicated to get to the us - berlin would be perfect though :) | 15:54 |
| fabiog | for Berlin either week 02/08 or 02/20 | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | bmotz could you travel to berlin or san jose | 15:54 |
| bklei | would love to go to berlin, will need to be really nice to my boss to get approval | 15:55 |
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| witek | Bogdan wanted to organize next one in Munich | 15:55 |
| witek | in Sept | 15:55 |
| fabiog | there is Cisco Live in Berlin the week of 02/15 so I will be traveling there anyway | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that was my preference too | 15:55 |
| bmotz | berlin is probably easier to fit in the travel budget, but further afield isn't impossible | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks bmotz | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | we'llk start to need checking with our representative companies | 15:56 |
| bklei | yup | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | can we get to the monasca-log-api in closing | 15:56 |
| fabiog | I'll bring up the subject with Congress too | 15:56 |
| tsv | rhochmuth: +1 | 15:57 |
| ddieterly | fabiog: can you talk to the president too? ;-) | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-log-api | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | only 3 minutes | 15:57 |
| tsv | 3 reviews :) | 15:57 |
| fabiog | ddieterly: in progress ;-) | 15:58 |
| witek | tomasz has some code ready, which partly covers same isues | 15:58 |
| ddieterly | cool | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | didnt' realize you were working on it | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | too | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | how soon will your changes be post'd | 15:59 |
| witek | i know, we still have internal reviews | 15:59 |
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| witek | have to consider to change the workflow | 15:59 |
| witek | next days | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | how about move discussion to email then | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | we've run out of time | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | tsv witek and tomasz need to talk off-line | 16:00 |
| fabiog | ciao! | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | or in irc | 16:00 |
| witek | ok, ciao | 16:00 |
| bklei | thx! | 16:00 |
| tgraichen | bye | 16:00 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 16:00:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-18-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-18-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-18-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 17:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:01 |
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| alaski | anyone around today? | 17:01 |
| dansmith | not me | 17:01 |
| dansmith | oh wait | 17:01 |
| dheeraj | o/ | 17:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:01 |
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| belmoreira | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:01 |
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| alaski | melwitt: anything you're aware of in this area? | 17:02 |
| dansmith | I have an almost testing-related thing | 17:02 |
| melwitt | no, but I haven't been looking at it lately (sorry) | 17:02 |
| alaski | melwitt: no worries. if trouble hasn't found you that's probably good | 17:03 |
| alaski | dansmith: go for it | 17:03 |
| melwitt | :) | 17:03 |
| dansmith | I've got the reno for the api database proposed, which is hung up on a string of deps in infra land | 17:03 |
| dansmith | and has been for a week | 17:03 |
| dansmith | but after those are resolved, | 17:03 |
| dansmith | the grenade patch to actually do that thing is passing and can be approved when the release note lands | 17:03 |
| dansmith | so, not testing, but almost testing :) | 17:03 |
| alaski | heh | 17:04 |
| belmoreira | dansmith: great | 17:04 |
| alaski | that's great | 17:04 |
| dansmith | no | 17:04 |
| dansmith | it's almost great :) | 17:04 |
| belmoreira | that will allow us to recheck the flavor code | 17:04 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: right | 17:04 |
| dansmith | which I need to go review and lay some hate on | 17:05 |
| dansmith | anyone have the link to that handy? | 17:05 |
| * bauzas waves late | 17:05 | |
| dansmith | I'll go do that after this meeting | 17:05 |
| melwitt | hah | 17:05 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201606/ | 17:05 |
| alaski | well, more the followup patch | 17:05 |
| bauzas | so I'll manually test the reno patch and +W | 17:05 |
| alaski | bauzas: cool | 17:06 |
| bauzas | I don't want to have it waiting for something which could come up later | 17:06 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I already depends-on'd it | 17:06 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: honestly, it could take yet a few days before having the infra patch merged | 17:06 |
| bauzas | dansmith: so it's your call | 17:07 |
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| alaski | a few days seems fine | 17:07 |
| bauzas | dansmith: but like I said, I can act as a jenkins guy if needed | 17:07 |
| dansmith | we might also just ask the grenade people to land it because the reno is in progress | 17:07 |
| bauzas | call me hudson | 17:07 |
| dansmith | anyway, not a big deal methinks | 17:07 |
| alaski | yeah. if it stretches to weeks that might be a problem | 17:08 |
| dansmith | sdague: thoughts? | 17:08 |
| alaski | but if it's moving now it seems good | 17:08 |
| dansmith | sdague: we can't land the grenade patch before the reno for it, which is stuck in dep hell. Can we just land the grenade patch knowing we'll land the reno as soon as it can? | 17:08 |
| dansmith | sdague: or we can land the reno untested | 17:09 |
| bauzas | well, tested locally | 17:09 |
| bauzas | 'trust me' | 17:09 |
| bauzas | :D | 17:09 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:09 |
| dansmith | alaski: whatever, we can move on, I'll pursue | 17:09 |
| alaski | ok | 17:09 |
| alaski | #topic Specs for Mitaka | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs for Mitaka (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:09 | |
| alaski | does anyone have specs up that could use review? | 17:10 |
| alaski | according to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking everything should be merged at this point | 17:10 |
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| alaski | are there specs that we should have and don't? | 17:11 |
| alaski | great | 17:11 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:12 | |
| melwitt | I was thinking, what about that thing we talked about with the cell for error state instances? does that need to be a spec? (sorry it took me too long to type that) | 17:12 |
| alaski | melwitt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238665/ | 17:12 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:12 |
| melwitt | oops. okay | 17:13 |
| dansmith | only problem with that is the name | 17:13 |
| dansmith | but otherwise I think we're good | 17:13 |
| alaski | it happened quickly, before a lot of people even came back I think | 17:13 |
| alaski | dansmith: :) | 17:13 |
| bauzas | oh I missed that one, but we discussed that at summit :) | 17:13 |
| melwitt | nice | 17:14 |
| bauzas | I like the name | 17:14 |
| alaski | cell0, all the flavor, none of the calories | 17:14 |
| dansmith | hah | 17:14 |
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| melwitt | haha, that's awesome | 17:14 |
| bauzas | thinking of cellU ? | 17:14 |
| dansmith | bauzas: stop it! | 17:14 |
| dansmith | don't reward him | 17:14 |
| alaski | bauzas: I didn't make that association until later sadly | 17:14 |
| belmoreira | cell0 will conflict with our existing naming schema :) | 17:15 |
| bauzas | purgatoryCell | 17:15 |
| dansmith | I don't think the name of it will be enforced | 17:15 |
| bauzas | (c) notme | 17:15 |
| dansmith | i.e. it probably doesn't need a name in the db | 17:15 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:15 |
| alaski | in v2 name doesn't really matter, they'll have uuids | 17:15 |
| bauzas | anyways, cellsv1 names shouldn't hit cellsv2 names | 17:16 |
| bauzas | s/hit/conflict | 17:16 |
| alaski | yep | 17:16 |
| belmoreira | yes | 17:16 |
| alaski | so, open reviews :) | 17:16 |
| alaski | I'll call out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211753/ for persisting the request spec object | 17:17 |
| alaski | if anyone else has anything please add it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:17 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
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| alaski | I only have one topic | 17:18 |
| alaski | I propose that we skip this meeting next week | 17:18 |
| alaski | since it's very close to a US holiday | 17:18 |
| * bauzas promises to not speak of holidays | 17:19 | |
| bauzas | alaski: fair enough | 17:19 |
| alaski | though if there's a group of folks who will be around and want to have it go ahead | 17:19 |
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| alaski | I should say major holiday. there are a lot that don't affect much | 17:20 |
| melwitt | :) I'm good with skipping | 17:20 |
| dansmith | um, it's the majorest holiday | 17:20 |
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| alaski | dansmith: debatable, but it's up there :) | 17:21 |
| alaski | anything else today? | 17:21 |
| dansmith | alaski: name one better holiday | 17:21 |
| alaski | I'm quite fond of new years | 17:21 |
| dansmith | alaski: after 21 you stop getting tons of presents on christmas, so like a holiday dedicated to accelerating the adult diabetes is like ... pretty up there | 17:22 |
| dansmith | alaski: meh, boring | 17:22 |
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| alaski | no real obligations though | 17:22 |
| dansmith | alaski: new years is much less fun on the west coast where the ball drop is taped :) | 17:22 |
| alaski | heh, fair point | 17:22 |
| alaski | alright, I think we're good for today | 17:23 |
| alaski | same time in two weeks | 17:23 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:23 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 17:23:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-11-18-17.01.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-11-18-17.01.txt | 17:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-11-18-17.01.log.html | 17:23 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 18:28 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:28 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 18:28 |
| ogzy | hi all | 18:28 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 18:29:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 18:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:29 |
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| vishwanathj | hi | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | Unless there are any objections i'd like to dedicate the whole hour to just discussing the new api spec | 18:30 |
| SridarK | +1 | 18:30 |
| mickeys | +1 | 18:30 |
| annp | Hi | 18:30 |
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| bharath | Hi | 18:30 |
| xgerman | hi | 18:30 |
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| badveli | hello all | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #topic API spec review - https://review.openstack.org/243873 | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API spec review - https://review.openstack.org/243873 (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 18:31 | |
| jwarendt | hi | 18:31 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 18:31 |
| xgerman | yeah, I like us to get that approved right after Thanksgiving | 18:31 |
| xgerman | aka M1 | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: ack. the latest revision has me hopeful | 18:32 |
| xgerman | me, too | 18:32 |
| xgerman | :-) | 18:32 |
| SridarK | yes i think we are fairly close too | 18:32 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:32 |
| mickeys | What do we intend for scope of the spec. Just defining the API? Or going into backend reference implementation as well? | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: just the API. | 18:32 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:32 |
| badveli | i had some questions on the common backend which i will point out in spec | 18:33 |
| sc68cal | badveli: no do not talk about backends in the spec please | 18:33 |
| xgerman | well, that doesn’t matter on the API | 18:33 |
| SridarK | so for the referennce implementation - we can create another one going off this as the master spec | 18:33 |
| badveli | but i am not very clear on how we are going to incorporate | 18:33 |
| badveli | ok thanks we will take it in another spec | 18:34 |
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| xgerman | sc68cal we should alo talk midcycle | 18:34 |
| xgerman | after the API discussion | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: good point, 15 minutes enough? | 18:35 |
| xgerman | yep | 18:35 |
| xgerman | likely less | 18:35 |
| xgerman | so back to API | 18:35 |
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| badveli | i am thankful for incorporating the service group and firewall group's | 18:37 |
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| xgerman | how is tuff called? accept, reject, deny — or drop? | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | the issue is there does not seem to be a way to actually add ports to a policy | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | err | 18:37 |
| SridarK | I am in the midst of the latest rev - one thought is that given that we are taking the reference impl out of this discussion - what we are going after is the final form ? | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | firewall gropu | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | *group | 18:38 |
| xgerman | SridarK we should be able to start implementing a stubbed API server | 18:38 |
| badveli | yes looked to me it is a consturct to group address | 18:38 |
| xgerman | or extension | 18:38 |
| mickeys | Through firewall group port association. Everything is CRU. | 18:38 |
| badveli | firewall groups to be a construct to group address | 18:38 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: right - but how is a association created via the API? | 18:38 |
| xgerman | those class are missing | 18:39 |
| mickeys | When I wrote things up in the etherpad, I was thinking of all the tables as API | 18:39 |
| mickeys | I was not thinking that some are data model and others are API | 18:39 |
| xgerman | well, we need to spec out the calls like we did for the rest | 18:39 |
| mickeys | Aish: xgerman: What was the thought behind calling some data model? | 18:39 |
| xgerman | yeah, we probably need to specify our tables somewhere | 18:40 |
| SridarK | i think so too adding the CRU on an attribute should cover that | 18:40 |
| sc68cal | My suggestion - perhaps add an attribute to the firewall group REST API resource - ports? | 18:40 |
| mickeys | I think of the Firewall group attributes table and firewall group port association tables as the JSON body of REST APIs | 18:41 |
| xgerman | mickeys, part of the spec are some example calls so we should do the same for the new constrcuts | 18:42 |
| xgerman | and base it on those tables | 18:42 |
| xgerman | otherwise we are inconsistent | 18:42 |
| mickeys | Agreed. We need to define endpoints/URIs and give examples | 18:42 |
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| sc68cal | we're worse than inconsistent - we leave it undefined. | 18:42 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i think u are asking for something along the lines for policies etc that are shown | 18:43 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: right - that will help, but we also need to show how someone would associate a port to a firewall group | 18:43 |
| sc68cal | via the REST API | 18:43 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: ok i get it makes it more clear for sure | 18:44 |
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| sc68cal | don't forget - this API spec will be around for a loooooong time, people will be using it to figure out how to implement | 18:45 |
| badveli | yes looked from the firewall groups it looked like more address groups but not sure how they are applied ports | 18:46 |
| mickeys | Firewall groups are primarily a collection of ports. Firewall group port association table is how you apply to ports. | 18:46 |
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| mickeys | Whether addresses should be in firewall groups in addition to ports, or have a separate address group is an open issue. Right now there is a separate address group. We need to decide this soon, preferrably now. | 18:47 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: my sense is that it would be simpler to keep them separate and the validation around this will be simpler | 18:48 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: firewall group port association table is how we *store* | 18:48 |
| badveli | thanks mickey i am trying to understand how is the firewall group port association table populated | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: it does not specify how a user actually sends an API request to get it to store | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | and how it's formatted/structured/expressed | 18:49 |
| xgerman | yep, that’s the gap we need to close with the next respin | 18:50 |
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| mickeys | Original preference was extension to port table, so that it could be defined when a port is created, but that was seen as potentially controversial. So we talked about specifying it in FWaaS tables. The question is whether there is a list of ports in the firewall group table, or a separate URI just for the firewall group port association | 18:51 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: you're still thinking database tables though | 18:51 |
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| mickeys | Firewall group must be its own endpoint/URI, with the attributes specified in the table | 18:52 |
| sc68cal | as a consumer of this API, what URI, what kind of JSON do I send to get Port AAAAA associated with firewall group BBBBB ? | 18:52 |
| mickeys | Agreed that we need to specify this. | 18:52 |
| sc68cal | I'm in agreement with the database model side, we're good there. | 18:53 |
| mickeys | Aish: xgerman: You added the firewall group port table. Are you thinking separate URI? | 18:53 |
| xgerman | nope, I think we mixed data model and REST calls | 18:53 |
| jwarendt | Usually there is an encoded URI association ../firewall/<id>/ports/... at the REST level, or separate resources with URI/ID links. Need REST api first - db is implementation. | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | jwarendt: +1 | 18:54 |
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| mickeys | So add a list of ports as an attribute to the firewall group URI when we add that? | 18:54 |
| jwarendt | Though ultimately need: 1) plugin interface 2) driver interface 3) db layer to go along with REST. | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: that sounds reasonable to me | 18:55 |
| xgerman | 2) I think we have more than one driver interface for different aspects | 18:55 |
| xgerman | sc68cal +! | 18:55 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:55 |
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| xgerman | yeah, one of the aims of the new API is to not make it more difficult for the user. So he does;t have to create 10 things to get a firewall... | 18:56 |
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| sc68cal | we're very close - I can feel it | 18:57 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:57 |
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| mickeys | Do we want to mention the port extension as well, and note that it may come later? The rationale for the port extension is that the person creating the port can adjust associated firewall groups as they are creating the port. I doubt an application deployer is going to mess with FWaaS. | 18:57 |
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| sc68cal | I'd rather not | 18:58 |
| mickeys | There was some concern about the difficulty in adding things to the port table | 18:58 |
| xgerman | well, as soon as you do something for all of Neutron velocity dies | 18:58 |
| SridarK | so the fw group is the binding point of the policy and where it is applied - from a db perspective the association to ports can be a separate table | 18:58 |
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| xgerman | yep, and that keeps us adding things to the port table of the critical path | 18:59 |
| SridarK | agree on the port extension - let that come later | 18:59 |
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| s3wong | mickeys: wouldn't the sequence of event being user creating port, and associate the port with a FW group? Why would a FW group already been associated with a port being created? | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | s3wong: the vm port case | 19:00 |
| sc68cal | ^ this | 19:01 |
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| xgerman | s3wong we like the concept of a default firewall | 19:01 |
| sc68cal | associate a new vm port to an existing policy | 19:01 |
| mickeys | s3wong: That is the issue. By the time there is a VM port for us to associate / put in the list in the firewall group, the VM port is already active | 19:01 |
| sc68cal | s/policy/firewall group/ | 19:01 |
| mickeys | So, the default firewall group would apply temporarily | 19:01 |
| xgerman | and then the user can change it to his likings | 19:01 |
| xgerman | in the future you might be able to specify a firewall group on nova create | 19:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman: thats vision :-) | 19:02 |
| xgerman | yep, I should have said far future | 19:02 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:02 |
| s3wong | xgerman: not a bad vision | 19:03 |
| sc68cal | Do we have a good description of what service_group attribute of a firewall rule is? | 19:03 |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:03 |
| mickeys | As far as document structure, I think the firewall group attributes should be moved to the API section, with the addition of a port list. We then need to figure out where to put the data model section, including the firewall group port association table | 19:03 |
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| xgerman | agreed, I think their is a data model impact in the spec teamplate | 19:04 |
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| badveli | sc68cal: the service group UUID can be referred by firewall, we had it in the service group spec | 19:04 |
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| mickeys | sc68cal: For service group, the question is how we can reference it as an important part of the API, but specify it outside in a separate spec | 19:04 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: badveli: ok - but what does it *do* ? | 19:05 |
| mickeys | Is it OK to leave it in the attributes table and refer to another spec? | 19:05 |
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| badveli | mickeys: i think that is fine | 19:05 |
| xgerman | I think this is what we have to do | 19:05 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes i think we can point to badveli's spec | 19:06 |
| badveli | we can reference it | 19:06 |
| mickeys | A group of objects, each with protocol, source L4 port range, dest L4 port range. In the future, L7 objects such as application ID. | 19:06 |
| SridarK | and leave it as something that is being explored for the future | 19:06 |
| xgerman | (and might become some classifier)\ | 19:06 |
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| badveli | sc68cal: the service group spec clearly mentions the functionality i did not add L7 objects as of now | 19:07 |
| mickeys | The thought is, for a particular application, there will be certain protocol/L4port combinations that you will want enabled. Once someone specifies the service group for that application, you can reuse that over and over again, wherever that application is deployed. | 19:07 |
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| sc68cal | so basically a classifier | 19:07 |
| mickeys | Exchange, SAP, etc | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | or multiple classifiers | 19:07 |
| mickeys | Not a full classifier. Nothing to do with addresses or identity. | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | classifier doesn't have to require addresses | 19:08 |
| s3wong | list of application classifiers | 19:08 |
| xgerman | yeah, so I think keeping that out of the API spec gives us some flexibility later | 19:08 |
| mickeys | Say if I want to use exchange or SAP or FTP ... | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | and I'd like to remove the attribute from the API for now | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | we can add it back in once we have something more concrete | 19:08 |
| xgerman | mmh, we have the service group so it shouldn’t matter if they are done with classifiers or not | 19:09 |
| xgerman | matter to the API | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | we're already making a big hunk of work by having address groups | 19:09 |
| badveli | sc68cal: should we have it there , i am pretty sure this will decouple the notion of service from the firewall | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | as well as firewall gruops | 19:10 |
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| sc68cal | SridarK: what are your thoughts | 19:11 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes i have some concerns on actually what we will implement - but if we keep this spec as the end goal and we call out implementation for M outside of this | 19:11 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: u read my mind | 19:11 |
| SridarK | sorry straddling mtgs | 19:11 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we should spec out what we want and then figure out the implementation strategy later | 19:12 |
| sc68cal | Ok. let me noodle on it a bit more - I think if we make it more clear what it will do - API interaction wise, i'll be more happy with leaving it in | 19:12 |
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| sc68cal | and let me re-read badveli 's spec - the link to it might satisfy me | 19:12 |
| badveli | sc68cal: let me know if you have questions | 19:13 |
| badveli | thanks | 19:13 |
| mickeys | I am unclear where are ending up. Leave service group as is, but clarify the reference? Define it completely in the spec? Take it out? | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: leave it in, and give me a link over to badveli's spec in the notes | 19:13 |
| badveli | +1 | 19:13 |
| xgerman | understood | 19:13 |
| mickeys | Reference the Kilo version? | 19:13 |
| mickeys | badveli: Any plans to resubmit for Mitaka? | 19:13 |
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| badveli | yes i am doing it | 19:14 |
| sc68cal | I think this will work - if this is the most up to date - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/juno/service-group | 19:14 |
| xgerman | yeah, specs usually just roll forward... | 19:14 |
| mickeys | There is a kilo spec | 19:14 |
| badveli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131596 | 19:14 |
| SridarK | i think we can use the kilo spec | 19:14 |
| SridarK | badveli: u will need to clean this up and resubmit ? | 19:14 |
| sc68cal | ok then use http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/service-group.html | 19:15 |
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| xgerman | yep | 19:15 |
| badveli | yes, should we add the notion of L7 | 19:15 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:15 |
| mickeys | Not yet | 19:15 |
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| badveli | will it be ok to resubmitt before our API spec gets approved? | 19:16 |
| sc68cal | let's use a HTTP link to the rendered HTML - if your spec gets approved for mitaka we can always update the link | 19:16 |
| sc68cal | to point to the new URL | 19:17 |
| sc68cal | from the firewall side there isn't any difference - since we're just storing a UUID | 19:17 |
| xgerman | +@ | 19:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:17 |
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| mickeys | +1 | 19:18 |
| badveli | ok thanks. | 19:18 |
| SridarK | yes it is a resource we refer to | 19:18 |
| sc68cal | ok, we've got about 10 minutes left - xgerman - midcycle? | 19:18 |
| SridarK | so +1 | 19:18 |
| xgerman | #topic midcycle | 19:18 |
| sc68cal | sorry I didn't add you as chair | 19:18 |
| sc68cal | #topic midcycle | 19:18 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 19:18 |
| xgerman | so dougwig likes to colocate with LBaaS | 19:18 |
| xgerman | they picked 1/13-1/16 as potential dates | 19:19 |
| xgerman | would they work for you guys? | 19:19 |
| * sc68cal checks | 19:19 | |
| s3wong | 1/16 is a Saturday? | 19:19 |
| xgerman | really? | 19:19 |
| s3wong | yep | 19:20 |
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| sc68cal | so 1/12 to 1/15? | 19:20 |
| xgerman | would be fine by me | 19:20 |
| sc68cal | works for me too | 19:21 |
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| jwarendt | works | 19:21 |
| xgerman | awesome | 19:21 |
| mickeys | No conflicts for me | 19:21 |
| sc68cal | is the Idaho option - dougwig 's house? | 19:21 |
| xgerman | might be some hunting cottage | 19:21 |
| mickeys | Idaho in January? That wouldn't be Sun Valley, would it? :-) | 19:21 |
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| sc68cal | what's seattle like in jan? | 19:22 |
| SridarK | Brr!! | 19:22 |
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| xgerman | nope, I think Seattle and San Antonio are more realistic options | 19:22 |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:22 |
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| sc68cal | lol "somewhere new" crossed out | 19:22 |
| s3wong | like any other months, raining :-) | 19:22 |
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| sc68cal | I think whichever is easiest to organize and host | 19:23 |
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| sc68cal | san antonio weather probably is better than SEA, but i'm not picky | 19:24 |
| xgerman | yeah, big concern from Doug is that we go to Seattle each time but... | 19:24 |
| * sc68cal sneaks over to mountains to snowboard after midcycle | 19:24 | |
| SridarK | i always welcome u too the bay area | 19:24 |
| jwarendt | xgerman cannot fit us all in San Diego unfortunately if chasing good weather. | 19:25 |
| s3wong | sunny California! | 19:25 |
| xgerman | I can probably work something out but there are also budgetary constraints | 19:25 |
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| vishwanathj | Which company will host in San Antonio, will that be rackspace? | 19:26 |
| xgerman | yep | 19:26 |
| xgerman | there is a lot of travel budget thinling behind locations | 19:26 |
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| xgerman | ok, I guess we are good | 19:28 |
| xgerman | please vote on location | 19:28 |
| xgerman | and I think we are done for today ;-) | 19:29 |
| vishwanathj | bye all | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | yup | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | bye all | 19:29 |
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| SridarK | bye all | 19:29 |
| vichoward_ | o/ | 19:29 |
| mickeys | bye | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:29 | |
| xgerman | o/ | 19:29 |
| jwarendt | bye | 19:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 19:29:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| badveli | bye | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-18-18.29.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-18-18.29.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-11-18-18.29.log.html | 19:29 |
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| matt-borland | hola robcresswell | 19:58 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 19:58 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 19:58 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 20:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mrunge | \o/ | 20:02 |
| krotscheck | \/ | 20:02 |
| esp_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | Hi all | 20:03 |
| doug-fish | hi | 20:03 |
| peristeri | o/ | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | o/ | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | The only general items I have today is a reminder that M-1 is Dec 3 | 20:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (also, lurker here, I'd like to push a little on getting midcycle nailed down ;-) | 20:04 |
| matt-borland | r1chardj0n3s +1 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | talked to possible hosts, need to pin down dates | 20:05 |
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| mrunge | yeah, good to know it in advance | 20:05 |
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| hurgleburgler | where are the possibilities? | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | mostly west coast so far | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | Texas and Colorado are also options, but twice to texas in 6 months is way too much | 20:06 |
| hurgleburgler | david-lyle +1 | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | once is a bit much | 20:07 |
| * krotscheck likes seattle :) | 20:07 | |
| hurgleburgler | you are all welcome to come to Tucson | 20:07 |
| hurgleburgler | It'll be warmer here :-D | 20:07 |
| krotscheck | There could be snow on the volcano :) | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler's living room it is | 20:08 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | Let me negotiate dates | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | and narrow it down | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | Seattle, Portland and San Jose are three easy locations on the west coast with offers to host | 20:09 |
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| hurgleburgler | San Diego will be warmer :-D | 20:09 |
| hurgleburgler | and they have super impressive amounts of craft beer | 20:09 |
| TravT | i'll email san diego | 20:09 |
| TravT | anybody have their address? | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | beer? | 20:09 |
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| krotscheck | I think at this point, impressive amounts of craft beer is not a distinguishing feature anymore. | 20:10 |
| * krotscheck points at both portland and seattle. | 20:10 | |
| TravT | maybe we could just reach out to these folks | 20:10 |
| TravT | http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-SD/ | 20:10 |
| hurgleburgler | san diego won't have snow though | 20:10 |
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| krotscheck | Snow, to me, is a bennefit. | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | ski holiday in sunny colorado? | 20:11 |
| krotscheck | Horizon-team ski outing :) | 20:11 |
| mrunge | 2 hops to fly, about 22 hours in total :-/ | 20:11 |
| doug-fish | I can probably host in MN if we really need snow ... | 20:12 |
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| hurgleburgler | *shivers* | 20:12 |
| TravT | if we want snow, then i vote Colorado | 20:12 |
| hurgleburgler | snow: -1 | 20:12 |
| mrunge | we could ask tsufiev, if you want snow and cold temperatures | 20:12 |
| krotscheck | Sure, let's do russia! | 20:12 |
| krotscheck | On an unrelated note, I'm slowly trying to upgrade the eslint rules to the newer version of eslint-config-openstack, and wouldn't mind some help. | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I would also like to add a preference for date: week of 18th Jan please :-) | 20:13 |
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| david-lyle | let's table the midcycle for a bit | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | and get a brief status on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | documentation patches are in progress | 20:15 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | the extensibility service merged | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | Theming is one for two | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | the doc patch for theming isn't on the etherpad | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: status? | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | pbr is still being spec'd | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | xstatic/pbr is still is indeed still in spec hell, but I think we're making progress | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | and nothing is linked for "Angular performance tuning" | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | anyone with work on that please link it | 20:18 |
| sqchen | just crealte BP | 20:18 |
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| sqchen | in progress | 20:18 |
| TravT | nothing is up for upgrading angular or other libs right? | 20:19 |
| TravT | i thought that was discussed | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | I would appreciate folks linking their patches and bps to the ehterpad | 20:19 |
| sqchen | david-lyle: ok | 20:19 |
| TravT | we don't want those to come in at end of cycle | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | TravT: that was blocked by pbr | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | TravT: Releasing things is not easy without pbr | 20:19 |
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| TravT | right... | 20:20 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah, i wanna update bootstrap, but blocked by pbr :( | 20:20 |
| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, would it be an option to drop the release as fourth component? or to use as last comporent version.release? | 20:20 |
| matt-borland | david-lyle, just FYI on the Angular side alone (Users/Images/Launch Instance), I count ~30 outstanding patches, but I don't want to clutter up the etherpad | 20:21 |
| matt-borland | (does not count Flavors or other deprioritized work) | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | matt-borland: I'd rather see them on there for priority items or at very lest the link to the bp | 20:21 |
| matt-borland | sounds good | 20:21 |
| matt-borland | will do | 20:21 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | mrunge: I think we can get there, with 4 digits | 20:21 |
| mrunge | ok, I was just reading apevec comment on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/pbr/+spec/pbr-fourth-component | 20:22 |
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| mrunge | but, that is still 3 dots in the version number | 20:22 |
| mrunge | so, forget that please | 20:22 |
| hurgleburgler | gotta leave early today o/ | 20:23 |
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| david-lyle | that covers the criticals and would appreciate updates to the etherpad so we can track better, since launchpad is launchpad | 20:23 |
| matt-borland | I'll update the angular work | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | the agenda for today is available at | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_November_18 | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | #topic reno for release notes | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reno for release notes (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:24 | |
| david-lyle | The two patches lhcheng linked are now merged | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | but the idea was to raise awareness | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | release notes are now included in the tree when warranted, then the compilation becomes the final release notes at the end | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | the process documentation for horizon was documented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246124/ | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | the idea is if it's release note worth as outlined in the doc content there, the release note component should be merged at the same time or in a follow on patch | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | so reviewers help remind/enforce this | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | the process is new for mitaka, so try to remember | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | questions? | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | perfect | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | #topic Domain scoped tokens DOA patches bpokorny, esp | 20:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Domain scoped tokens DOA patches bpokorny, esp (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:29 | |
| mrunge | should we consider missing release notes as blocker? | 20:29 |
| mrunge | sorry, too slow to type | 20:29 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: I think yes | 20:29 |
| mrunge | ack david-lyle | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | can be a dependent patch, but should be in progress | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I think writing the migration part will also inform some patch work :) | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'd also like to plug the phantomjs/webdriver patches for review please | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | ok esp_, do you want to type? | 20:30 |
| esp_ | sure | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | ack r1chardj0n3s | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242926/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243946/ | 20:31 |
| esp_ | brad is absent today but we’d like to make a bid for merging these DOA patches | 20:31 |
| esp_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141153/ | 20:31 |
| esp_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196328/ | 20:31 |
| bpokorny | I just got back also, just in time :) | 20:31 |
| esp_ | ^ allows for keystone v3 integration in horizon by support a domain scoped token in the session | 20:32 |
| esp_ | cool bpokorny | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | so, I'm on the fence and as one of the authors that's an odd place to be | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | I think the code is sane | 20:33 |
| esp_ | aye, I believe doug-fish and lin have reviewed pretty well and gave their blessing | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | the last lingering concern that was raised at the summit and I'm coming around to appreciating better is the log noise | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | It has 2 +2s? Was there too much uncertainty? | 20:34 |
| esp_ | yeah, talked to lin about the extra logging this morning | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | the will conceivably be many failures in the horizon and keystone logs | 20:34 |
| doug-fish | robcresswell: it wasn't merged because it really isn't useful without the follow on policy patch; I'd expect them to get merged together | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: Understood | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | *there | 20:35 |
| mrunge | yeah, we might want to change default settings for sessions then | 20:35 |
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| mrunge | since this will cause a session overflow otherwise | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | there's that too | 20:36 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: there is a check for that in the code IIRC | 20:36 |
| * ducttape_ can't believe we are still talking about session overflow | 20:36 | |
| bpokorny | Yeah, there's a check for the session backend being used. | 20:36 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, that's not enough | 20:36 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, that's reality | 20:36 |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_: signed cookies is a much simpler and HA ready session backend | 20:37 |
| mrunge | but we're still talking about utf-8 | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | as a default it makes sense | 20:37 |
| esp_ | david-lyle: if we can, I’d like to tackle that as a bug to keystone to reduce logging or at least include better info regarding when a user doesn’t have a domain associated with it | 20:37 |
| ducttape_ | what if we added a cache call for the catalog, and didn't store that in session? I thought that was like 75% of the cookie | 20:38 |
| esp_ | mrunge and ducttape_: we know there is still on going work to combine the domain token with the project token and are prepared to refactor when it’s ready. | 20:38 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: I'm not sure I fully understand your concern about the default session backend. You think it's unreasonable to say some options require other, non default options? | 20:39 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, I was just suggesting to change the default anyways | 20:39 |
| doug-fish | got it | 20:39 |
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| mrunge | since that's, what deployers will need to do | 20:40 |
| mrunge | and this is *one* reason. | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | esp_: I'd really like to see proper v3 support merge | 20:40 |
| mrunge | yes! | 20:40 |
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| ducttape_ | so thats the two patches above, right? | 20:40 |
| * david-lyle will resurrect his devstack patch for memcache | 20:40 | |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_: that's the start | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | there's a mess in horizon beyond that | 20:41 |
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| david-lyle | the reuse of the admin role by keystone in the sample file is pure lunacy, but we need to handle it | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | *sample policy file | 20:41 |
| ducttape_ | so proper v3 support really means better policy file usage, right? | 20:42 |
| esp_ | david-lyle: agreed, it’s a first step but I think there is enough there to be useful. bpokorny and others are already using it. | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | and different tokens have to be used for different resources | 20:42 |
| ducttape_ | whoah, you need different tokens for different policy checks ? | 20:42 |
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| ducttape_ | that's not optimal | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: yes and proper use of the domain scoped token when warranted over the project scoped token | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | it's idiotic, but it's v3 | 20:42 |
| ducttape_ | so can we just place both v2 and v3 tokens to the policy engine, and have the policy file pick and choose which to use? | 20:43 |
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| esp_ | ducttape_: I don’t think we want to run v2 and v3 concurrently | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | well we'd have a project scoped token and a domain scoped token instead of v2 v3 but yeah | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | that's what the second patch to d-o-a does | 20:44 |
| esp_ | aye | 20:44 |
| ducttape_ | if you hard code to pass one token vs the other for a particular check, that is going to come back and bite us | 20:44 |
| ducttape_ | my bad.... I mean project scoped vs domain scoped | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | well only keystone wants a domain scoped token | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | so the toggle is simpler, except you have to know whether you're asking at the domain or project level | 20:45 |
| esp_ | right, it’s only used for identity mgmt (talking to the keystone api) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196328/ | 20:45 |
| esp_ | ducttape_: ^ | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | I have days worth of rants that esp_ has heard about the brilliance here | 20:45 |
| esp_ | def :) | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | but I'll refrain for now | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | there was no earthly reason for a second token type | 20:46 |
| ducttape_ | that is going to be a problem for deployment | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | and that's actually in discussion to correct | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | 3 years later | 20:47 |
| ducttape_ | you are going to want to write policy files that would have both credentials and domain_credentials support at the same time | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: maybe | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | depends how much you're wanting to expose to a domain admin | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | outside of keystone | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | but yeah, it's a mess IMO | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | lets dig back out of the rathole we are in. esp_ and brad have a couple of patches, lets get those merged I guess | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | the other options aren't pretty either and this code has been thoroughly tested | 20:49 |
| * ducttape_ hopes we are done with the airing of grievances | 20:49 | |
| * david-lyle puts away the pole | 20:49 | |
| esp_ | thx, I owe some more docs upstream as well | 20:49 |
| mrunge | and release notes | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | hmm | 20:50 |
| * david-lyle wonders about d-o-a release notes | 20:50 | |
| robcresswell | Does d_o_a do its release notes in Horizon? | 20:50 |
| ducttape_ | yep, please include docs with patches. docs are not difficult. yes robcresswell, most of the time | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I usual put important items in the release proposal | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: I realise we have done previously, I meant with reno | 20:51 |
| mrunge | didn't we want to merge d-o-a in horizon? | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | d-o-a is easier to track | 20:51 |
| * esp_ will need to spend some time looking at reno | 20:51 | |
| david-lyle | I think the clients may use reno | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | might need to add to d-oa- | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | rearrange chars as necessary | 20:52 |
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| david-lyle | ok, doc it | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | merge it | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:52 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, we'll need to set up reno in doa then | 20:52 |
| * krotscheck points at eslint patches. | 20:52 | |
| * krotscheck goes back to lurking | 20:52 | |
| david-lyle | hey look eslint patches | 20:52 |
| krotscheck | Actually, I lied. | 20:52 |
| krotscheck | There's a new rule under discussion here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244257/ | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just back to the midcycle - snow is lovely and all but let's please not hold it in a location where travel could be affected by adverse weather | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244910/ << thats the top of the chain, I think, for eslint. | 20:53 |
| ducttape_ | r1chardj0n3s +1. south pacific island would be lovely | 20:54 |
| krotscheck | robcresswell is correct. | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck: so there was a patch to add space after ";" but then you end up with "blah = {var b = 'super'; }" which felt odd | 20:54 |
| * krotscheck volunteers Honolulu | 20:54 | |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Yeah, I saw that too and was trying to figure out if they fix it in a future version of the rule. | 20:54 |
| * krotscheck promptly got distracted. | 20:54 | |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Feel free to -1 that one for more investigation. I may be able to update eslint upstream to get it fixed. | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck: no worries, I was just hoping there was another rule coming along to rationalize that | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | I updated this, btw: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport If anyone wants some bugs to look at :) | 20:55 |
| * r1chardj0n3s notes that accountants don't like approving midcycles in pacific islands ;-) | 20:55 | |
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| r1chardj0n3s | thanks again for that robcresswell! | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: We also need to discuss bug day | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: ah, was missing on the agenda | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Yes, my fault :( | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | bug report that is | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | yes, so my latest look at the bug list show ~1000 bugs | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | which is just wow | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | some are 2+ years old | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | while age is not an indication of validity, some may not exist | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | and actually about 600 of those are not even prioritized | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | what I would like to do is let robcresswell organize a bug day to try to clean up that list | 20:57 |
| doug-fish | hooray robcresswell! | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | ...trapped again | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | the concept would be to take a day to have people focus on triaging/classifying bugs and cross-talk when there are questions | 20:58 |
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| david-lyle | just take different parts of the list and have at it | 20:59 |
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| robcresswell | Originally thinking next week, but apparently thanksgiving | 20:59 |
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| david-lyle | I've been told we've discussed this previously and not followed through | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | hence robcresswell is taking the helm | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | I *will* find those logs | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | and I can rue about v3 | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | I'll send out an email on the dev mailer tomorrow | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 21:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yay bug day | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | ok time's up. Thanks everyone, have a lovely week. | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 21:01:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-18-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-18-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
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| esp_ | thx! | 21:03 |
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