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| sheeprine | gpocentek: huats: time for CK meeting | 14:02 |
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| sheeprine | here? | 14:02 |
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| sheeprine | Other people here for CloudKitty meeting? | 14:02 |
| huats | Hi sheeprine ! | 14:03 |
| sheeprine | Hi | 14:03 |
| gpocentek | hello | 14:04 |
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| sheeprine | Ok let's go | 14:04 |
| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 14:05:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:05 |
| sheeprine | I wanted to talk first about the new contributors. | 14:06 |
| sheeprine | That's awesome, we've got multiple people contributing to CloudKitty and submiting bug reports. I hope the numbers will keep growing. | 14:06 |
| sheeprine | I think 0.5 will help us gather new people around the project. | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | #topic gnocchi support | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gnocchi support (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:07 | |
| sheeprine | Ok first topic, gnocchi. | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | We've talked about this during sessions at the summit in Tokyo. | 14:08 |
| sheeprine | And people are waiting for us to integrate support for gnocchi. | 14:08 |
| sheeprine | We've started working on this with gpocentek. And we plan on providing a first iteration ASAP. | 14:08 |
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| sheeprine | And then make the integration evolve with new version (new collector format, full gnocchi storage support) | 14:10 |
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| sheeprine | Some parts need work in CloudKitty others from Gnocchi. That's why we started implementing support new and we'll incrementally add features as they are available | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | Our plan is to bundle gnocchi support with 0.5 | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | which should hit git in a few weeks max. | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | We implemented an hybrid storage for gnocchi to leverage capabilities of gnocchi and remove information from the current storage driver. | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | It should greatly improve performances and reduce the amount of duplicated data. | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | Anyone got suggestions so far? | 14:12 |
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| gpocentek | sounds good to me so far | 14:12 |
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| sheeprine | great | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | Should we move to next topic or anyone got something to add? | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | I guess we can move to next topic. | 14:14 |
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| sheeprine | #topic pending reviews | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pending reviews (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:14 | |
| sheeprine | Ok, to make it simple... We've need to validate some code pending review | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | There are some patches that in my opinion should hit git and be integrated in the master. | 14:15 |
| gpocentek | it's on my todo to review/validate a few patches | 14:16 |
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| gpocentek | today or more likely tomorrow | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine | Most are bug fixes about v3 breaking cloudkitty or data duplication in the storage driver | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | Without them I doubt people will keep using CK. | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | which brings us to next point | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | #topic road to version 0.5 | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "road to version 0.5 (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:17 | |
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| sheeprine | We need to define what should be integrated in next release. | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | During Tokyo summit we decided to move to multiple release during a cycle, and that's a good thing because we can easily deprecate code and move forward. | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | I think the last points waiting for 0.5 to go live is the integration of the bugfixes and some features. | 14:19 |
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| sheeprine | Gnocchi support is a plus, and since 0.5 is supposed to be compatible with Liberty we can have users in real prod environments. | 14:20 |
| sheeprine | And then we should transition to Mitaka, to implement new features and integrate changes from libs. | 14:20 |
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| sheeprine | One last thing, we need to validate the Horizon integration. I'm not 100% sure that it's working flawlessly due to js compression. | 14:21 |
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| sheeprine | We've changed the way we setup cloudkitty in Horizon enabled files. And it looks like only applications can use compressed js. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | We need to be sure that 0.5 bundles a working version of Horizon integration. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | gpocentek: huats: Other thoughts? | 14:22 |
| gpocentek | not here | 14:23 |
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| sheeprine | #topic next version goals | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next version goals (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:24 | |
| sheeprine | Ok last topic, we need to define what new version will feature. | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | We've got a list of pending features, some needs CloudKitty code rewrite or refactor. And potentially to deprecate old code. | 14:25 |
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| sheeprine | I'm working on a blueprint to implement rating rule validity times and all middleware code needed so it is rating module agnostic. | 14:26 |
| sheeprine | We can implement this feature without the need of major refactor, or backward compatibility breaking changes. | 14:27 |
| sheeprine | So we can integrate it in whatever release as soon as it's ready | 14:28 |
| sheeprine | Next we've got the collector model. | 14:28 |
| sheeprine | Here we are breaking old CloudKitty format, we'll need to implement a compatibility layer to expose data as it was in previous versions. | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | The new format will decompose metric from metadata "a la gnocchi", it will reduce duplicated data from the pipeline and speeds calculations up. | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | We can imagine implementing new collector format and have a flag in configuration to "flatten" the metadata in a dict like before. | 14:30 |
| sheeprine | New storage will benefits from the new format and store the metadata only once. | 14:30 |
| sheeprine | Here we don't really have choice, it will be a new version. So you can still use the old one or transition to the new one when you are ready. | 14:31 |
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| sheeprine | With these changes we'll have a really robust and scalable solution. It will even improve modularity. | 14:31 |
| sheeprine | I've got a patch that I'll send in review as WIP in a few days to handle dynamic resource typing from the API or collector. | 14:32 |
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| sheeprine | Gnocchi needs the same kind of stuff so we might chop some code from it and move it in a lib. I'm looking towards oslo.db, it will make sense. | 14:33 |
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| sheeprine | So I guess we should have 2 more release, one related to collectors and one to storage. | 14:34 |
| sheeprine | With this implemented we should be close to a version 1.0 :) | 14:34 |
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| sheeprine | Some features I am missing? | 14:36 |
| sheeprine | gpocentek: huats: ^ | 14:36 |
| gpocentek | still nothing here, sounds good, and enough work ,Ã | 14:37 |
| gpocentek | ;) | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | Huge patches incoming indeed. | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | #topic possible next topics | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "possible next topics (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:38 | |
| sheeprine | Do we have other topic ideas? | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | gpocentek: huats: ^ | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | I'll do a mail summary on the mailing. Some people might be interested. | 14:39 |
| gpocentek | I don't think so | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | I'll wait a few minutes just in case and if nobody speaks then I'll stop this meeting. | 14:40 |
| sheeprine | Ok, thanks guys. | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 14:43:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-11-23-14.05.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-11-23-14.05.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-11-23-14.05.log.html | 14:44 |
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| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: mhickey: rossella_s: korzen: mestery: sc68cal: ajo: amotoki: friendly ping before upgrades meeting starts here | 15:02 |
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| mestery | o/ | 15:02 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, hello | 15:02 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
| mhickey | Hello | 15:02 |
| amotoki | hi. am just looking of the channel | 15:02 |
| akamyshnikova | hi! | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I *hope* that I pinged everyone but I could miss someone. if so, mea culpa in advance. :-| | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's try it out | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 15:03:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:03 |
| ajo | o/ | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | welcome all to the 1st meeting of the subteam :) | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | that's the agenda we'll follow during our meetings. feel free to update. :) | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | some history for those not informed: the subteam is formed for Mitaka the least and will look into upgrade story for Neutron. | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | it covers cold upgrades as well as rolling ones, looking at stability, speed and whatnot all related to upgrades | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | I want to clarify on the channel mess first | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | initially we planned to handle the meeting in #openstack-meeting-2 but it was pointed out on Fri that the channel is not an official one, so no logging, no bots etc. | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 15:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | hence we switched to #openstack-meeting-3 this time since it's free today, and we'll work on getting official channel booking this week | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | there is a patch to book -3 bi-weekly for now | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/247464 | 15:07 |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | but we'll probably look into getting a slot weekly, unless you think it's not worth it | 15:08 |
| mestery | yes, thanks for taking care of this ihrachys | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | comments on frequency? | 15:08 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: I am easy | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's assume everyone agrees with the goal to have it weekly and move on. if not, speak up later. | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | ok | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:09 |
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| ajo | let's try weekly, and step back if it's too much | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | as you probably know, openstack is now a big tent, and we use tags to claim common features for projects | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | lately two project tags were merged in governance repo: assert:supports-upgrade https://review.openstack.org/239771 and assert:supports-rolling-upgrade: https://review.openstack.org/239778 | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I believe first thing we'll track as a team is those tags for neutron. it seems we are there or almost there to claim those | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | there is actually a patch up for review to add supports-upgrade for neutron | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/246242 | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | we already had it covered with grenade jobs before, so there are no action items beyond that patch | 15:12 |
| * ihrachys .oO (I wish all victories are that easy) | 15:12 | |
| sc68cal | woo | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | for supports-rolling-upgrade, we have some stuff to do, but not much either, thanks to grenade folks | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal put a patch for infra to add partial job for neutron experimental queue | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/245862 | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | and it's merged. sc68cal, wanna update on what's the status for the job? | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | I made a bit of a mistake, the job needs a different node type to run | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248737/ | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | so, it should be able to be run in the next hour | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: aha. cool, and it's already in gate :) | 15:14 |
| ajo | niice | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: what's the plan for the job after we make sure it works in experimental? | 15:15 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: run it, see what explodes, fix | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: ok. once we are there, do we go thru non-voting state or go straight to enable it in gate? | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | non-voting probably | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | if it consistently passes, then make it voting | 15:16 |
| amotoki | sc68cal: is there a good pointer to understand how multinode jobs is run? | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | yeah, it may be worth to collect some stats. | 15:17 |
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| sc68cal | amotoki: not..... really :( | 15:17 |
| ajo | sc68cal , how healthy is the normal multinode now? | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: I believe there was an email on the matter from sdague, I will try to find it now. | 15:17 |
| amotoki | sc68cal: no problem. it seems better to collect our knowledge somewhere. | 15:17 |
| ajo | I saw it had issues last week, but seems to be running fine now? | 15:17 |
| korzen | I assume that multinode job should ne able to run VMs on not upgraded node, is it correct? tempest smoke tests covers that? | 15:17 |
| sc68cal | amotoki: I badgered clarkb to write some docs - this was what we got https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/multinode_setup_info.txt | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079397.html | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079397.html details on grenade partial multinode jobs | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | ajo: non-dvr multinode I think is pretty healthy | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | ajo: DVR multinode has been good, then not so good, for a while | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | I think the new DVR subteam has been working on fixing | 15:18 |
| ajo | ack, I see a few patches passing DVR too | 15:18 |
| ajo | multinode-dvr I mean | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I presume for partial we run whole suite with old compute node | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | ok, so we have plan for partial, and we have sc68cal on it, so there is no place for failure :) | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: thanks for hopping onto the job quickly | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Patches | 15:21 |
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| korzen | I have spotted that grenade upgrade code is not using the expand/contract schema migration | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | I guess I should have switched the topic before, but meh | 15:21 |
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| korzen | should we work on adding the online schema migration to grenade upgrade scripts? | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, that's something we should look into. but that would be a separate job that would run all tests/code from stable EXCEPT applying expand migrations from master before that | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | korzen: since the whole idea is that you can execute those on previous releases and continue running with no issues. | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | maybe it would also require actual upgrade and another tempest run to validate that we didn't break anything while running the old code | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | ok, moving to next patches up for review | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | we have two upgrade related patches for devref | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/241687 devref page for upgrades | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | ^ is a page with general info on scenarios, struggles, plans, whatnot. I believe it's mostly for cultural changes outside those explicitly interested in upgrades, though if you find smth interesting for you too, cool. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | we also have another devref change that puts plan for RPC callbacks mechanism upgrade from ajo | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/241154 devref update for rpc callbacks upgrades | 15:26 |
| ajo | :-) | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | if someone is not aware, rpc callbacks is a mechanism used for QoS feature to propagate updates to QoS resources into agents | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | and it changes usage pattern somewhat: instead of asking agents to pull data from neutron-server, it makes neutron-server broadcast updates for agents | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | that's similar to how we do notifications, but with actual data payload attached | 15:27 |
| ajo | Also plans to use them to sync agents more reliably by kevinbenton | 15:27 |
| ajo | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225995/ agent push notification refactor | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | there are plans to reuse the mechanism for other features, like port_details updates ^ | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | so the mechanism and rolling upgrades for it become more important than before :) | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | note that since we need versioned objects to make usage of the mechanism, we would need to provide those to kevinbenton asap. rossella_s was kind to take the PoC for port objects. | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I guess you had no time for that till now, correct? | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:30 |
| ajo | The new testing jobs will also help validate all this work | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ajo: yes, I believe partial is explicitly mentioned in the spec as a blocker | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I hope to give an update regarding this in the following days...my plan is to start this week | 15:30 |
| ajo | rossella_s , ihrachys , keep me looped in into that work | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | ajo sure | 15:31 |
| korzen | rossella_s please include me also | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: thanks a lot! reach me whenever you have questions on objects. I put that all in the tree initially, so hopefully I may be of some help | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | korzen, will do | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks a lot, I will | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: btw to make it clear, the idea for start is merely providing objects to allow kevinbenton to switch notification code to use them. Other code that currently touches tables may still use the old way. This is to unblock further work. | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, got it | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok cool on that one :) | 15:33 |
| ajo | Yes, the complication is on extension of ports and networks by mixins :) | 15:33 |
| korzen | is there rfe or bp for OVO implementation? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | #action rossella_s will start on PoC for port objects | 15:33 |
| ajo | korzen , not sure if an RFE is needed, is not an external feature, but more of internal design, may be as part of any dependent work? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | do we think it needs a separate rfe? | 15:34 |
| ajo | ihrachys, i don't know, may be it's worth checking with armax, mestery, any idea ^ ? | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | ajo: +1 | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it may worth checking with drivers team on that one. maybe they will indeed want it. | 15:34 |
| ajo | ihrachys : +1 | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | yeah, let's better check instead of hoping for the best and being blocked later | 15:35 |
| mestery | ajo ihrachys: I don't think an RFE is needed, we have to do this work, so my opinion is lets file a bug (or write a quick spec) and move forward. | 15:35 |
| mestery | Although | 15:35 |
| mestery | I guess the bug could be an RFE bug :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | mestery: we don't have specs without bps, and bps without rfes, so... | 15:35 |
| mestery | lol | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | (unless I miss smth) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | that process thing is hard! | 15:35 |
| mestery | :) | 15:36 |
| ajo | lol | 15:36 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168955/6/specs/liberty/versioned-objects.rst | 15:36 |
| ajo | a devref? :) | 15:36 |
| korzen | old spec from Liberty | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: cool, thanks for the pointer! | 15:36 |
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| ajo | korzen++ | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's check with drivers tomorrow (I believe we have drivers meeting on Tue) | 15:37 |
| mestery | ihrachys: Yup, 1500 UTC I believe | 15:37 |
| amotoki | devref sounds a good idea for this kind of things. we can discuss design and code in parallel. | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys will follow up with drivers team on the need for RFE/BP/spec/bribe to proceed with OVO adoption | 15:37 |
| amotoki | but it seems good to ask armando. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: yeah, he is usually concerned about over commit | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | ok, we don't have anything more on agenda, so switching the topic | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open Agenda | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | one thing I wanted to clarify is whether we need a LP tag for the team | 15:39 |
| ajo | open is good, we love open | 15:39 |
| ajo | :) | 15:39 |
| amotoki | one question on the upgrade strategy is whether we can assume neutron server is upgraded first. | 15:39 |
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| sc68cal | amotoki: I think that's a given | 15:39 |
| amotoki | it is reasonable to me but I think no other projects are doing so now. is it better to hear opinions from oeprators or others? | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | amotoki: I believe that's the way Nova does upgrades | 15:39 |
| ajo | I guess that's good as long as is well documented | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: if we don't specify it, we complicate our lifes for no reason | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: I *think* nova does? isn't conductor the first one to upgrade? | 15:40 |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: I totally agree. | 15:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | the server (read: db schema) has to be upgraded first | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: in nova, it's conductor that touches db, right? | 15:40 |
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| sc68cal | ihrachys: yep | 15:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: yeah | 15:41 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: I might be wrong. I will check again. | 15:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | the general upgrade process is upgrade source, update db, restart services | 15:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | if any config options require changing, do that prior to the service restart | 15:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | or if they pertain to db stuff, before db update | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/upgrading-nova-to-kilo-with-minimal-downtime , step 3 | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | note that the order is to be documented for neutron with https://review.openstack.org/241687 | 15:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | another thing that should be tested during upgrade is connectivity to vms | 15:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | it should not break | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: yeah. I believe it's not supposed to break, but it's indeed not tested. | 15:43 |
| ajo | Sam-I-Am , Isn't that checked by tempest in grenade job? | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | it was fixed in L by akamyshnikova | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: I don't think so. during upgrade no actual tests are executed that could catch connectivity drop | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | also vm connectivity outbound if possible | 15:44 |
| ajo | ha | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | but inbound usually implies outbound works | 15:44 |
| ajo | we should at least run the smoke tests | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | ajo: we do run them, but not while we restart services. | 15:45 |
| ajo | or the network related | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it's like 'run smoke, upgrade, run tests' | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | in sequence | 15:45 |
| ajo | ah, you mean while upgrade? | 15:45 |
| korzen | the idea of vm connectivity is to have constant ping to VM during upgrade, it is not covered by smoke test, right? | 15:45 |
| ajo | ok, not sure how that would be possible. | 15:45 |
| ajo | That's assumed by the idea that agents going down don't remove the dataplane settings | 15:45 |
| ajo | or bring down any real service | 15:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | some sort of basic check to make sure an upgrade doesnt break connectivity, and if it does, accurately determine the downtime | 15:46 |
| ajo | so the only issues to arise, are when new agents boot up | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | ajo: they don't, since L (at least OVS) | 15:46 |
| ajo | ah, for OVS we had some before, but it was momentary ( a few seconds) and not related to upgrade itself | 15:47 |
| ajo | just because of ovs agent restart | 15:47 |
| ajo | (any restart) | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it may be some background service in devstack that runs while uppgrade is ongoing that provides data on connectivity into some file that we can parse later. | 15:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | question is, would any sort of upgrades cause agents to 'rework' the dataplane structure? for example, an architectural change to dvr. | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: yeah, but it's kinda related to upgrades because you can't hot swap python code ;) | 15:47 |
| ajo | Sam-I-Am : eventually.. | 15:47 |
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| ajo | So, may be a background pinger | 15:48 |
| ajo | that provides a report by the end of the upgrade | 15:48 |
| ajo | ok, you convinced me | 15:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah. it just needs to glean the instance info | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: I agree it's worth validating. I believe we had a patch merged in master lately that changed names for LB devices for no big reason, and we haven't caught it | 15:48 |
| ajo | Sam-I-Am , ihrachys , when debugging stuff like that, I found specially useful to run a pinger in the openstack log format | 15:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | it would need to test all common cases... floating ip, private ip, public ip, router ip, etc. | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | I believe the more visible the subteam work is in gerrit, the more aware community will be about where to look at | 15:49 |
| ajo | that way you could sync with the agent reboot logs, etc, to see when disruptions happen | 15:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably dhcp too | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: ack. as long as we have data points with time stamps, it's not an issue to sync logs with those | 15:50 |
| ajo | correct | 15:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | will these upgrades test both ovs and lb? | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: dhcp disruption may be fine for a tiny bit of time since we can have multiple agents to serve a network | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: I don't think we will look into LB before OVS. | 15:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: yeah, dhcp isnt as big of an issue since access is intermittent | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: I even suspect LB may still have connectivity disruption since akamyshnikova's patch was OVS specific | 15:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: but we should at least check for breaking it because instances do crazy things when they cant get a lease | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | ack | 15:51 |
| ajo | ihrachys : I think disruption was ovs specific too | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | ajo: ok then I get why operators lean towards LB ;) | 15:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | iirc, ovs was the only thing that had disruption during a restart of ovs-agent (not specific to upgrades) | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | because it re-created all of the magic | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | btw one more patch that I want to point out related to upgrades is https://review.openstack.org/248190 | 15:52 |
| akamyshnikova | ihrachys, yes I agree with ajo, I'm not sure that LB has problems | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | linuxbridge has been resilient for a while now | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | the patch ^ adds a command to neutron-db-manage to detect whether there are pending contract migrations that would require offline neutron-server instances before execution | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can kill off all the agents and the bridges stick around (sometimes too many of them stick around) | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | I know puppet folks already have some code to determine whether full shutdown is needed, but they rely on ugly hacks like filenames | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | the idea of the patch is to make it a supported command they can rely on | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | note it's WIP and I need to play with alembic a bit before it's ready. so just a heads-up. | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: good to hear :) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | ok anything else to point out upgrades related? | 15:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm good for now | 15:55 |
| korzen | can we slit the OVO implementation? | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: thanks for joining btw, I somehow missed you :) | 15:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: np. somanymeetings :) | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | korzen: you mean per object type? | 15:55 |
| korzen | yes | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I don't see any reasons not to if we have interested parties! | 15:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: i have a spec to improve the general openstack upgrade procedures | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I presume networks/subnets could be a separate piece to bite | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: comments ^ ? | 15:56 |
| korzen | yes, my idea is to touch the network/subnets | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: nice. link? | 15:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | each release will include a list of potential issues including downtime, so having an automated upgrade test process is important | 15:56 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I agree with you | 15:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/mitaka/upgrades.html | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | korzen: so just go ahead ^ :) | 15:57 |
| korzen | ok, thx | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/mitaka/upgrades.html | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: thanks, added to reading list :) | 15:57 |
| ajo | korzen , what do you mean by slit? | 15:57 |
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| korzen | split* | 15:58 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:58 |
| ajo | upps, sorry I was reading an old log somehow | 15:58 |
| ajo | :) | 15:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | thx. i added your devref patch to my reading list | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | ok, I believe we are near the end of the meeting. if anything, we may proceed in #openstack-neutron channel. thanks for joining and looking forward to your patches and reviews. :) | 15:58 |
| ajo | ihrachys: thanks for driving this | 15:59 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks a lot! | 15:59 |
| mhickey | ihrachys, thanks | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | and keep attention to meeting time updates in openstack-dev@, we may need to switch if we don't get -2 channel as the official one. | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | adieu! o/ | 15:59 |
| amotoki | thanks! | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | seeya, great meeting | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| ajo | adios amigos! o/ | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 15:59:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-11-23-15.03.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-11-23-15.03.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-11-23-15.03.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| jklare | hello everybody o/ | 16:00 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:00 |
| calbers | hi there | 16:00 |
| jklare | any topics from you guys for today? | 16:02 |
| sc` | i don't have anything for this week | 16:02 |
| jklare | ok then lets start with this one | 16:03 |
| jklare | #topic refactoring the cookbooks | 16:03 |
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| jklare | calbers and me have pushed up some refactored versions of compute and network and the network cookbook seems to be already working again in our integration tests | 16:04 |
| jklare | it would be great so have some more eyes on this | 16:04 |
| jklare | to check if these patches go into the right direction | 16:05 |
| jklare | another thing i realised while going through the network cookbook is our (in my eyes) completely broken way of handling the identity (and maybe most of the other) endpoints right now | 16:06 |
| jklare | i think somewhere along our path we decided to split the endpoints into internal, admin and public like the projects do | 16:06 |
| jklare | which is great | 16:06 |
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| jklare | the issue is, that judging from the current state of the code, the refactoring never finished completely | 16:06 |
| jklare | which led to something like this https://github.com/openstack/cookbook-openstack-network/blob/56c95b6ce3ad2f9fd2ff2882a05e03781f73b8ca/recipes/default.rb#L148-L153 | 16:07 |
| sc` | the endpoint stuff is rather fragile, at least that's what my experience was backporting some code to icehouse | 16:08 |
| jklare | in line 148 the internal_endpoint is defined by calling internal_endpoint on 'identity-internal', which will first search for an attribute like node.openstack.endpoints.internal.identity-internal.... and after not finding it, fall back to node.openstack.endpoints.identity-internal... which exists | 16:08 |
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| jklare | so the fact that it is working is currently based on a fallback | 16:09 |
| jklare | and some workaround definitions | 16:09 |
| jklare | since these methods and the definition of endpoints is very important for all cookbooks, we should try to fix this during this refactoring cycle imo | 16:10 |
| sc` | +1 | 16:10 |
| jklare | :) | 16:10 |
| jklare | so you want to go for it sc` ? | 16:10 |
| sc` | may not have as much time as i'd like | 16:11 |
| jklare | yeah, i know that feeling :D | 16:11 |
| sc` | being as $job is icehouse, there's a good deal of context switching that has to happen | 16:12 |
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| jklare | in my opinion this endpoint methods are too complicated and to workaroundy right now | 16:13 |
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| sc` | it is rather complicated to work with. suggestions on how to improve it? | 16:14 |
| jklare | i think we can define a more generic endpoint method, that depends on some more sane user input | 16:15 |
| jklare | right now our endpoints and uri methods try to correct things from attributes that might be set wrong | 16:16 |
| jklare | like removing '/' or replacing 'v3.0' with 'v3' | 16:16 |
| sc` | bad node attribute data is just a consequence of chef. i can see where consolidating methods would be useful | 16:17 |
| jklare | if we agree that the cookbook user knows what he is doing and has read the documentation (which needs to be updated ofc), we could remove a lot of complicated code here and go with a lot more 'convention over configuration' | 16:17 |
| sc` | assuming people read documentation is a lofty assumption :D | 16:18 |
| jklare | i know | 16:18 |
| jklare | sad but true | 16:18 |
| jklare | so, since nobody has touched the common cookbook and its methods yet, i could give it a shot and refactore these methods | 16:20 |
| sc` | but i agree. we shouldn't be managing the configuration of openstack as much as we are | 16:20 |
| jklare | -e | 16:20 |
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| sc` | if the cookbooks move away from ubuntu/centos packages and use something a la giftwrap, a good deal of things could go down to the packages themselves and be out of the cookbooks | 16:21 |
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| jklare | thats true, but does not change anything regarding the dynamic configurations | 16:22 |
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| jklare | except if we include the whole package and service configuraiton in the postinst scripts ;) | 16:22 |
| sc` | i think it depends on how we want the future to look | 16:23 |
| jklare | ? | 16:23 |
| sc` | continuing the use of upstream packages the way we are locks us to certain assumptions at the packaging level | 16:24 |
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| sc` | less control, etc. | 16:24 |
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| jklare | but that is mainly the installation path and the init scripts right? | 16:25 |
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| sc` | one thing that pops out is keystone.wsgi vs wsgi.py. i don't have a comprehensive list of what's different between distros, but it's plausible that there are other variances versus upstream openstack | 16:28 |
| j^2 | hey all :D | 16:29 |
| jklare | true, but i am not sure if we should try to move away from upstream packaging to correct these minor things and face all the heavy lifting of packaging ourselfs instead | 16:29 |
| jklare | hey j^2 | 16:29 |
| sc` | ohai j^2 | 16:30 |
| calbers | hi j^2 | 16:30 |
| j^2 | it seems my NAS at home got hacked :( | 16:30 |
| jklare | CIA? | 16:31 |
| jklare | NSA? | 16:31 |
| j^2 | the "LOL" hack | 16:31 |
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| jklare | would you volunteer to try some automated building of packages that we could use sc` ? because my main objection with this right now is, that we only have so much resources and i have not seen anybody working on this packaging thing for our project so far | 16:35 |
| jklare | i also have tried the giftwrap thing and spend 2 hours patching code to get it to build some packages from master | 16:36 |
| jklare | i have no idea if they work or not | 16:36 |
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| jklare | and no automation to test them right now | 16:36 |
| jklare | so from my point of view the " we should package ourselfs" idea is great, but not doable right now | 16:37 |
| jklare | and i would love to be proven wrong here | 16:37 |
| sc` | indeed. perhaps a 'not right now' thing given the number of active contributors. i can see if i can spend some time over the coming US holiday | 16:38 |
| jklare | sounds good | 16:39 |
| jklare | @j^2 i heard you have some desginate things to tell? | 16:39 |
| jklare | #topic designate-cookbook | 16:39 |
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| j^2 | yeah | 16:40 |
| j^2 | so i've started a POC for designate | 16:40 |
| j^2 | i havent gotten common put in yet, but it's a start | 16:40 |
| j^2 | there is no "production" instructions so this is the best i got | 16:40 |
| j^2 | #link https://github.com/jjasghar/cookbook-openstack-dnsaas | 16:41 |
| j^2 | I'd love some eyes/PRs if yall have some time | 16:41 |
| sc` | j^2: apparently this is the "production" instructions - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/install/ubuntu-kilo.html | 16:41 |
| j^2 | when it's "ready" i'll squash/not squash everything down to one and cerate the openstack/ repop | 16:41 |
| j^2 | oh levely | 16:42 |
| j^2 | lovely | 16:42 |
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| j^2 | this is the one i used: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/getting-started.html | 16:42 |
| j^2 | i'll go through that link jklare and make the changes | 16:42 |
| j^2 | luckly designate looks pretty straight forwarbd | 16:43 |
| j^2 | i'm planning on tk'ing it also too so | 16:43 |
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| j^2 | and then we can add it to the openstack-chef-repo and have it part of the aio | 16:43 |
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| jklare | seems like great progress | 16:44 |
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| j^2 | thanks | 16:45 |
| j^2 | i'm trying | 16:45 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:45 |
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| j^2 | it looks like it's only Ubuntu for the time being | 16:45 |
| jklare | adding support for other distributions should not be too hard | 16:46 |
| jklare | chef should be build for that ;) | 16:46 |
| j^2 | I posted to openstack-dev too; trying to figure out if anyone had any suggestions, but no responses | 16:46 |
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| j^2 | yeah the install guide only says Ubuntu :( | 16:46 |
| sc` | one person responded this morning, which is where i got that link | 16:46 |
| j^2 | oh, i must have missed it in the FLOOD of email :'( | 16:47 |
| j^2 | i hate -dev for that reason | 16:47 |
| sc` | i have a filter specifically for [chef] | 16:47 |
| j^2 | yeah but they sometimes fuck up the subjects :( | 16:47 |
| j^2 | anywho, i'll filter through again | 16:47 |
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| j^2 | jklare: that's more or less all i got, i just want to make sure yall have seen it | 16:48 |
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| j^2 | and ideally i should be able to take that same frame/skeleton and make magnum out of it too | 16:48 |
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| j^2 | can i answer anything else about it? | 16:49 |
| jklare | no i think i am good here | 16:50 |
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| j^2 | cool, i'll be at their meeting too | 16:50 |
| j^2 | sc`: thanks for the heads up on the email | 16:51 |
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| sc` | np | 16:51 |
| j^2 | jklare: fearless leader, back to you ;) | 16:51 |
| jklare | #topic anything else | 16:51 |
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| jklare | i was at the ha-openstack meetup this morning | 16:52 |
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| j^2 | i bet that was an exciting conversation! :P | 16:52 |
| jklare | was a quite interesting discussion on how to improve the documentation and how to get started in documenting all the solutions people have build for archieving the ultimate and true HA | 16:53 |
| jklare | they will start with creating some etherpads and diagramms to sync up | 16:53 |
| jklare | i think we should try to get involved after that initial step has happened and see if we can use these diagramms and documentation to build some ha-wrappers | 16:54 |
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| j^2 | jklare: that's a great idea | 16:55 |
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| jklare | all from my side :D | 16:56 |
| jklare | anything anybody wants to add? | 16:56 |
| sc` | getting ha configurations in will be good | 16:56 |
| jklare | 4mins left | 16:56 |
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| sc` | i'm good | 16:57 |
| j^2 | same here i'm good | 16:57 |
| jklare | ok, thanks for attending and see you around | 16:58 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:58:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-23-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-23-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-23-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:58 |
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| sc` | see you on the channel :D | 16:58 |
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| jroll | ohai. | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 17:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | welcome, welcome | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:01 |
| sinval | \o | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | light agenda today, which is here: | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:01 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | jumping right in. | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic Announcements/Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements/Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | I just have one thing here; the midcycle plans | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | o/ Sorry I'm late | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | nobody has opposed my proposal on the mailing list yet, for virtual midcycles | 17:02 |
| jroll | so I think we're going to go ahead with that if nobody has massive objections | 17:02 |
| pas-ha | jroll, +1 | 17:02 |
| jroll | I will reply to that thread to that affect | 17:02 |
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| jroll | it'll take some work but I think it will be doable :) | 17:02 |
| * krtaylor can help | 17:03 | |
| jroll | also, I'll be off next monday so I will find someone else to run this meeting | 17:03 |
| jroll | devananda: ^ | 17:03 |
| jroll | anyone else have announcements / reminders? | 17:03 |
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| Nisha | o/ | 17:03 |
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| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:03 |
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| mjturek1 | \o | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | I'd like to remind that OSC spec was posted based on the discussion last meeting: https://review.openstack.org/247539 | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | this is public-facing bits, so make sure to have a look :) | 17:04 |
| jroll | thanks dtantsur :D | 17:04 |
| jroll | anything else? going once... | 17:05 |
| thiagop | dtantsur: reading... | 17:05 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247539/ | 17:06 |
| jroll | #topic Subteam status updates | 17:06 |
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| jroll | as always, these are on the whiteboard: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a few minutes to review, feel free to ask questions etc | 17:06 |
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| rloo | hmm, the number of 'high' bugs is creeping up | 17:07 |
| jroll | I wonder if they're actually all 'high' | 17:09 |
| jroll | :) | 17:09 |
| rloo | krtaylor: what's the hold up with the CI spec? anything we can do to speed it up? | 17:09 |
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| rloo | we should get email out, contact driver owners soon... | 17:09 |
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| jroll | rloo: I was going to point that out, I think we should land it and bikeshed in the docs | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | rloo, there are a few questions, but we think that they can just be documented instead of doing everything in the spec | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll, krtaylor: OK. if you delete the stuff I question, I'll +2 it :) | 17:10 |
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| thiagop | Guys, I'm sorry to inform that liliars has suffered a car crash this weekend and will be out of combat for the next week. She is fine and at home, but with a shoulder dislocation to take care of | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | rloo, no, they are good questions, we'll address them, I'll add a comment to that effect | 17:10 |
| thiagop | krtaylor jroll ^ | 17:11 |
| jroll | thiagop: so I heard :( | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | wow! give her our best wishes! | 17:11 |
| thiagop | krtaylor: I will | 17:11 |
| jroll | krtaylor: rloo: let's get that done andmerged today | 17:11 |
| rloo | thiagop: oh no. Glad she is fine... | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | thiagop, So sorry! Please send her best wishes for a fast recovery! | 17:11 |
| rloo | any way to send a virtual get well card signed by all of us? | 17:12 |
| thiagop | rloo: She would love it :D | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:12 |
| rloo | anyone know how to do it? | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | maybe we just did :) | 17:13 |
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| rloo | krtaylor: :D | 17:13 |
| jroll | rloo: I know of a thing, remind me after the meeting :) | 17:13 |
| rloo | jroll: will do | 17:13 |
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| * devananda walks in late, still sipping his first coffee of the day | 17:14 | |
| jroll | alright, anything else on subteam updates? | 17:14 |
| jroll | morning deva :P | 17:15 |
| rloo | if anyone has ideas about ironic-lib | 17:15 |
| rloo | my comment about root_helper config, etc | 17:15 |
| devananda | I ran out of coffee last night :( | 17:16 |
| thiagop | devananda: creepiest story ever! o.o | 17:16 |
| * jroll will think about rloo's ironic-lib thing | 17:17 | |
| * thiagop shivers | 17:17 | |
| rloo | I'm guessing lintan isn't here? | 17:17 |
| rloo | I wanted to know what ASAP meant and why. Nothing happens ASAP around here :) | 17:17 |
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| jroll | rloo: I assume because that oslo.config change will drop soon | 17:18 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243001/ | 17:18 |
| jroll | they release weekly on mondays | 17:18 |
| jroll | when it does it will break our gate unless we fix all the things | 17:18 |
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| rloo | jroll: I'm surprised they'd release something so soon that might break. I thought they normally gave some x period of time. | 17:19 |
| rloo | jroll: or did we miss that announcement? | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: not sure | 17:19 |
| * jroll asks a question on the oslo patch | 17:20 | |
| jroll | rloo: now that I look, I'm not sure this actually breaks us | 17:21 |
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| jroll | rloo: oh heh, it's something they *want* to do but can't because it will break projects, so we're blocking oslo on this | 17:22 |
| jroll | so ASAP to me means "soon" here | 17:22 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, i see. that makes more sense :) | 17:23 |
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| jroll | alright, going to move on then | 17:23 |
| * lucasagomes is late | 17:23 | |
| jroll | #topic Open Discussion | 17:23 |
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| jroll | I have nothing here, others can feel free :) | 17:23 |
| JayF | Generally speaking, I'm back to full time on Ironic technolgy stuff, so feel free to ping me to take a look at anything you think I could help on. | 17:24 |
| rloo | Yay, welcome back JayF | 17:24 |
| devananda | JayF: \o/ | 17:24 |
| JayF | As part of that I'm going to try and get the rescue spec cleaned up and comments responded to | 17:24 |
| thiagop | JayF: that's awesome | 17:24 |
| * jroll has been so excited about this | 17:24 | |
| rloo | JayF: and we could use your eyes on the other specs! | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, w00t! wb | 17:24 |
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| jlvillal | JayF, Going to go back to software developer :) | 17:25 |
| JayF | rloo: I've already put votes on quite a few | 17:25 |
| JayF | jlvillal: technically "Linux Engineer", but you've got the right idea | 17:25 |
| rloo | thx JayF! | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | JayF, \o/ | 17:25 |
| rloo | oh, devananda, jroll wants to know if you can chair next Monday's meeting | 17:26 |
| jroll | oh yeah | 17:26 |
| devananda | sure | 17:26 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:26 |
| * jroll sends supply of coffee to make sure you aren't late | 17:27 | |
| devananda | thanks :) | 17:27 |
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| jroll | nothing else here? | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, just saw ur answer on the ML for the logs for sensitive data | 17:29 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: you good with that? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, +1 that's what I was thinking about the filter, someway you can enable/disable | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | python logging framework supports it already | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | we need to check if the oslo.log abstraction allows we adding a filter to the logger or not | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | but can be worked out AFAIUI | 17:30 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ok, good to know if it can be worked out :) | 17:30 |
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| rloo | i think we can end the meeting early? | 17:31 |
| vdrok | oh, welcome back JayF :) | 17:31 |
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| rloo | we had a client release last week, right? | 17:32 |
| jroll | yep, 1.0! | 17:32 |
| rloo | the big thing is no py26 | 17:32 |
| jroll | and ironic-lib 0.4.0 | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:33 |
| rloo | well, there were probably other big things... | 17:33 |
| jroll | a few features | 17:33 |
| jroll | there was an announcement on the -announce list | 17:33 |
| JayF | This is a kinda-Ironic related note | 17:33 |
| JayF | The work to make mimic py3 compatible is done, pending library releases | 17:33 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 17:33 |
| JayF | so hopefully the efforts to use it to test can get restarted and it can get into g-r | 17:34 |
| * krotscheck has a messed up calendar since daylight savings | 17:34 | |
| rloo | JayF: cool | 17:34 |
| JayF | Apparently there's a twistd release in RC + a couple of other libs, and once they land it's good to go | 17:34 |
| krotscheck | Random status update, we've got UX resources at Intel that we're working with now to start nailing down personas on both the horizon ironic panel and the webclient | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, ah nice! Will be great to test the ironic client | 17:34 |
| jroll | so, I made a card for lilia, if you all want to sign it that will be awesome. it goes out in 5.5 hours: http://www.groupcard.com/c/zDMB_CexmHF | 17:34 |
| devananda | JayF: nice | 17:35 |
| rloo | thx jroll! | 17:35 |
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| sinval | jroll: awesome, she will love it | 17:35 |
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| jroll | :) | 17:36 |
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| * lucasagomes signs it | 17:37 | |
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| * sambetts signed it | 17:38 | |
| jroll | ok anything else here or can we go away now :) | 17:39 |
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| * krotscheck needs a running ironic + webclient to do UX testing on. Any suggestions are welcome, but brainstorming is probably more useful in the main channel. | 17:40 | |
| jroll | yeah, let's do that in main channel | 17:40 |
| jroll | thanks for coming everyone :) | 17:40 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 17:40:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-23-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-23-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-23-17.00.log.html | 17:40 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 21:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:00 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 21:00 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: hey | 21:00 |
| flwang | #topic roll call | 21:00 |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: if there is only you and me, then let's make it as a party instead of meeting :) | 21:01 |
| * jasondotstar grabs chips and dip | 21:01 | |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: don't want to waste your time, before the others joining, would you mind updating the puppet status? | 21:02 |
| flwang | i'm really keen to know it :) | 21:02 |
| jasondotstar | sure. | 21:02 |
| jasondotstar | so I've got the debian stuff working now | 21:02 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: awesome awesome | 21:02 |
| jasondotstar | meaning w/ the puppet module you can install it with RPM or DEB based | 21:03 |
| jasondotstar | i didn't get a chance to talk to anyone about which conf options to expose | 21:03 |
| jasondotstar | so perhaps someone can advise me there | 21:03 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: i mentioned that with kgriffs | 21:03 |
| jasondotstar | and then, we need to write the tests | 21:04 |
| flwang | who is the funder of zaqar/marconi from Rackspace | 21:04 |
| flwang | you know rackspace is running zaqar | 21:04 |
| jasondotstar | i didn't know that | 21:04 |
| flwang | i asked him to share the conf what rackspace is using | 21:04 |
| jasondotstar | right | 21:04 |
| flwang | but i haven't got the response, i will ping him again | 21:04 |
| jasondotstar | that'd be helpful | 21:04 |
| jasondotstar | we can maybe default to those | 21:05 |
| flwang | but before that, i can help you | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | *nod* | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 21:05 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: so what do you need for now? a basic reference conf? | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | yes plz | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | that would work | 21:05 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: what's the database you're using? | 21:06 |
| flwang | mongo? | 21:06 |
| jasondotstar | yes mongo. | 21:06 |
| flwang | cool, it would be nice if you can give me your email | 21:06 |
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| jasondotstar | sure | 21:07 |
| flwang | so that i can send it to you after it's ready | 21:07 |
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| jasondotstar | sent | 21:07 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: got, cool | 21:07 |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: did you upload your patch for review? | 21:08 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: if so, i can ask my colleague(ops guy) to give it a review/try | 21:08 |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: still around? | 21:20 |
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| vkmc | flwang, o/ | 21:28 |
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| flwang | vkmc: i miss you | 21:28 |
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| flwang | we lost jasondotstar now | 21:28 |
| flwang | vkmc: i just confirmed with jasondotstar the puppet status | 21:29 |
| flwang | vkmc: basically, we're in good shape | 21:29 |
| vkmc | flwang, that's great to hear! | 21:29 |
| flwang | vkmc: we need to provide a ref config for him | 21:29 |
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| flwang | as the default config file | 21:29 |
| vkmc | flwang, we need an operator POV for this probably | 21:30 |
| flwang | vkmc: and we definately made some great progress for zaqar client and the docs work, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-zaqar-assignment | 21:30 |
| vkmc | flwang, yeah :) saw the patchsets going up | 21:31 |
| flwang | vkmc: i have mentioned that with kgriffs to ask a conf which rackspace is using | 21:31 |
| flwang | but i haven't got response, i will ping him again | 21:31 |
| flwang | vkmc: so pls review them :) | 21:31 |
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| vkmc | flwang, sure thing | 21:31 |
| vkmc | flwang, I'll try to catch kgriffs myself, he is closer to my tz | 21:32 |
| flwang | vkmc: awesome, thanks | 21:32 |
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| vkmc | flwang, I also had several discussions about docs with Eva-i | 21:32 |
| flwang | vkmc: cool, would you like to share them now? | 21:32 |
| vkmc | flwang, I'm aware she already told you that she will be an intern in Zaqar for the upcoming Outreachy round | 21:33 |
| vkmc | flwang, the internship starts in December, but she is willing to start already... that's very awesome from her :D | 21:33 |
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| vkmc | flwang, sure, we are laying out things here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-mitaka-docs | 21:34 |
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| flwang | vkmc: yep, Eva-i is really helpful, she does a great job | 21:35 |
| flwang | i'm really happy to see she could be a formal intern for the outreachy project | 21:35 |
| vkmc | me too :D | 21:35 |
| flwang | as for the docs, anything you want to highlight? | 21:35 |
| vkmc | yeah... we will have an important revamp on docs | 21:36 |
| vkmc | we are going to remove most of the content we have in the wiki, since it's redundant to some of the content under developer/zaqar | 21:36 |
| vkmc | we are going to move the API reference to developer/zaqar | 21:36 |
| vkmc | plus we are going to fix the bugs Eva-i pointed out in the etherpad (and if we find more in the way, we are going to add them there) | 21:37 |
| vkmc | once we have all the developers docs in place, we are going to start working on some user docs, with configuration samples and use cases | 21:37 |
| vkmc | that with the OpenStack Docs team | 21:37 |
| flwang | vkmc: sounds a plan | 21:37 |
| vkmc | perhaps something we need to define if that change from wiki to developers guide is ok for you | 21:38 |
| flwang | vkmc: as you know, i'm working on the spec for config ref and user guides | 21:38 |
| vkmc | super | 21:38 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i checked how other projects are handling docs and perhaps this is the best way | 21:38 |
| flwang | vkmc: agree | 21:39 |
| vkmc | something that was a bit confusing is that the docs under developer/zaqar are shipped with the code | 21:39 |
| vkmc | and those docs contains information on "how to contribute" | 21:39 |
| vkmc | but that is an standard for every other OpenStack project | 21:39 |
| flwang | vkmc: agree | 21:39 |
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| vkmc | so yeah, that's pretty much it | 21:40 |
| vkmc | I think we are going to start with that soon :) | 21:40 |
| vkmc | and then we can help you with the spec for config red and user guides | 21:40 |
| flwang | recently, i realized that we focused the zaqar server side too much in previous cycles | 21:40 |
| flwang | and we're losing some potential users because of the bad docs, weak client support, etc | 21:41 |
| flwang | vkmc: sounds good, really appreciate for your support | 21:41 |
| vkmc | flwang, totally agree | 21:42 |
| vkmc | this cycle should be to polish that | 21:42 |
| vkmc | thanks for leading the effort :) | 21:42 |
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| flwang | vkmc: so pls pls review the client patches heavily so that we can ask sahara team to start integrate zaqar | 21:43 |
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| vkmc | flwang, I'm doing that now | 21:43 |
| flwang | vkmc: i know you're busy but i have to push you guys, sorry :) | 21:44 |
| vkmc | flwang, that's totally fine | 21:44 |
| vkmc | we work under pressure | 21:44 |
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| flwang | vkmc: i will update the assignment etherpad to add the docs work which Eva-i and you're working | 21:45 |
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| vkmc | flwang, do you want me to do that? | 21:46 |
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| flwang | vkmc: it would be awesome | 21:47 |
| flwang | vkmc: yes, pls | 21:47 |
| vkmc | flwang, cool :) will add that after I'm done with the reviews | 21:47 |
| flwang | vkmc: btw, for the client work, we obviously need some unti test for cli | 21:47 |
| flwang | but we don't have any test for that | 21:47 |
| vkmc | oh.. hmm | 21:48 |
| flwang | so i will user a separate patch to add a test framework for cli | 21:48 |
| vkmc | good point | 21:48 |
| vkmc | yes | 21:48 |
| flwang | if you're not really comfortable with that, i can do that firstly and then as the other patches to depend on it | 21:49 |
| flwang | but | 21:49 |
| flwang | it will slow the progress | 21:49 |
| flwang | i have to balance :( | 21:49 |
| vkmc | nah, we don't have enough resources | 21:49 |
| vkmc | we need to move fast | 21:49 |
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| flwang | vkmc: yep | 21:50 |
| flwang | besides, i'm still a fan of queue :D | 21:50 |
| flwang | i know flaper87 may beat me, hah | 21:51 |
| vkmc | haha no worries, he is not around | 21:51 |
| flwang | so i'm working on the comparison between SQS, and other china public cloud's queuing service to figure out the gap | 21:51 |
| vkmc | that sounds good | 21:52 |
| flwang | basically, the first thing i may propose is allow user to edit the queue's properties | 21:52 |
| vkmc | like... metadata? | 21:52 |
| flwang | yep, i know, we can do that, but my point is | 21:53 |
| flwang | having some reserved properties | 21:53 |
| flwang | like the TTL, which we're putting them in conf file | 21:53 |
| flwang | not flexible for each queue | 21:53 |
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| vkmc | not flexible for each message you mean | 21:54 |
| flwang | maybe that's not a good example, so pls see this http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/latest/APIReference/API_SetQueueAttributes.html | 21:54 |
| vkmc | let see | 21:55 |
| flwang | for now, IIRC, we can set the queue's metadata | 21:55 |
| flwang | but | 21:55 |
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| flwang | we're not really using them | 21:55 |
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| flwang | user can put anything in the queue's matadata, so what? | 21:55 |
| flwang | zaqar don't know what they are | 21:56 |
| vkmc | that's true | 21:56 |
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| vkmc | our metadata is just info that users think are important, but we don't do anything with it | 21:56 |
| flwang | vkmc: we could/should have some reserved metadata starts with _ | 21:57 |
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| vkmc | flwang, sounds good | 21:57 |
| vkmc | something I'm interested about | 21:57 |
| flwang | and zaqar can use them to get a more flexiable queue | 21:57 |
| vkmc | is in the visibility attribute SQS has | 21:57 |
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| flwang | vkmc: we can take 2-3 attributes as the first step | 21:58 |
| vkmc | sounds good | 21:58 |
| vkmc | feature for mitaka? :) v2 | 21:58 |
| vkmc | mitaka-3 | 21:58 |
| flwang | v2 | 21:59 |
| flwang | m-2 | 21:59 |
| flwang | so that we can have some time to revoke | 21:59 |
| flwang | i'm joking :D | 21:59 |
| flwang | let's talk in zaqar channel :) | 22:00 |
| flwang | thank you, everyone | 22:00 |
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| flwang | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 22:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-23-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-23-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-23-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| vkmc | thanks! | 22:01 |
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