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| berendt | hello everybody | 13:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 13:01 |
| berendt | it is my first time I use the meetbot, let's try it | 13:01 |
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| berendt | #startmeeting docinstallteam | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 13:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is berendt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docinstallteam' | 13:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not too bad | 13:01 |
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| berendt | #topic open action item from last meeting | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open action item from last meeting (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:01 | |
| Sam-I-Am | was there a meeting last week? | 13:02 |
| berendt | meeting times were changed, we should now have the old meeting times | 13:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | or was it 2 weeks ago | 13:02 |
| berendt | 2 weeks ago, we skipped the last apac meeting | 13:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok thats what i thought | 13:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | i didnt see an updated agenda for today, so i updated it | 13:02 |
| berendt | Sam-I-Am: thanks, I want to propose to move the agenda to an etherpad later in the meeting | 13:03 |
| berendt | an other open action item was https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuide, bmoss worked on it | 13:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 13:03 |
| berendt | I will review the page until the end of this week | 13:04 |
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| berendt | #action berendt review of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuide | 13:04 |
| berendt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241320 was abandoned and we started the discussion on the list how to integrate the training lab into the install guide | 13:04 |
| berendt | so I think this action item is also completed | 13:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, thats moving in the right direction i think | 13:05 |
| berendt | okay, so I think there are no more open items from the last meeting | 13:05 |
| berendt | #topic AODH content | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AODH content (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:06 | |
| berendt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230123/ | 13:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yep | 13:06 |
| berendt | missing packages for rdo and suse at the moment | 13:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like rdo finally got packages | 13:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just dont know about suse | 13:06 |
| berendt | #action berendt ask opensuse packaging for the status of AODH packages | 13:07 |
| berendt | I will drop them a mail and add a comment to the review request | 13:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | need someone to check on that. if suse has packages, we can improve/test the patch on all distros, merge, and consider it for backport | 13:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | the ubuntu packages have a nasty bug, but i can work around it | 13:07 |
| berendt | I can test the packages on suse if they are there, I will check this | 13:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | which reminds me - one thing i also wanted to put on the agenda - getting support from each distro somehow. | 13:08 |
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| berendt | ok let's discuss this after the other topics | 13:08 |
| berendt | #topic Backport Debian patches to Liberty? | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backport Debian patches to Liberty? (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:08 | |
| Sam-I-Am | zigo asked this yesterday | 13:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure he's here | 13:09 |
| berendt | I do not have a strong opinion on this point | 13:09 |
| berendt | will zigo do the backports? | 13:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hope so | 13:09 |
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| berendt | I think it is fine if somebody takes care of the backports, I will not backport it | 13:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | question is do we think debian will work in liberty or should it wait until mitaka? | 13:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont tend to like huge backports going into stable | 13:10 |
| berendt | +1 | 13:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | so thats your call, but either way zigo needs an answer (and he should be here) | 13:10 |
| berendt | let's wait until we merged all pending review requests for Debian into master, then somebody has to test it for Liberty, if it works for Liberty we can discuss the backports again | 13:10 |
| zigo | berendt: I will yes, unless someone works on it. | 13:10 |
| zigo | I'll cherry-pick master patches. | 13:11 |
| berendt | zigo: can you test Liberty on Debian until the next meeting? | 13:11 |
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| zigo | berendt: When is the next meeting? | 13:11 |
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| zigo | Also, all of my patches haven't been reviewed. | 13:11 |
| berendt | Wednesday in one week at 0100 UTC | 13:12 |
| zigo | Sam-I-Am: Could you remove your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241175/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241182/ ? | 13:12 |
| zigo | It was my understanding they were due to the "soon freeze" state ... | 13:12 |
| zigo | berendt: I wont have time to do that before tomorrow, no> | 13:12 |
| berendt | let's try to review and merge pending requests for Debian until the end of this week | 13:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | my issue was not addressed on 241175 | 13:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the -1 stays | 13:12 |
| berendt | zigo: Wednesday in 1 week, not tomorrow | 13:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll look at the other one here in a bit | 13:13 |
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| zigo | Sam-I-Am: oh, got you now, I'll address it ASAP. | 13:13 |
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| zigo | berendt: Seems doable then. I'll try, though no promise. | 13:14 |
| berendt | okay, let's make two action items, first one to address pending review requests until the end of this week, second one to test Liberty/Debian until the next team meeting | 13:14 |
| berendt | zigo: just drop me a line if you cannot handle it | 13:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | the entire debian guide will need testing by other people before we publish it | 13:14 |
| zigo | berendt: Would you be able to test? | 13:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | but its not ready yet best i can tell | 13:14 |
| zigo | Hopefully, i'll be able to upload all of Liberty to official jessie-backports by next week! :) | 13:15 |
| berendt | zigo: I am not familiar with Debian, I will drop a mail on our list | 13:15 |
| zigo | berendt: Cool ! | 13:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | can probably go piece-by-piece and update the liberty testing wiki page as services work | 13:15 |
| berendt | #action take care of pending review requests for Debian | 13:15 |
| berendt | #action berendt Write a mail to the mailing list to find somebody who can test Liberty on Debian. | 13:15 |
| berendt | #action zigo Test Liberty on Debian until (if possible) the next team meeting. | 13:16 |
| berendt | that's fine? | 13:16 |
| berendt | let's go forward | 13:18 |
| berendt | #topic General feedback on Liberty guide | 13:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so far seems pretty good | 13:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | no critical bugs, lots of success in #openstack | 13:18 |
| berendt | great :) | 13:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone else hearing anything? | 13:18 |
| berendt | I do not know about any bugs at the moment | 13:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a few in the queue and we should all be trying to discuss/triage them | 13:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | it might make sense for us to have a bug triage agenda item | 13:19 |
| berendt | #info Liberty install guide: no critical bugs, lots of success in #openstack | 13:20 |
| berendt | Sam-I-Am: yes, makes sense | 13:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | hit the ones that are more difficult | 13:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess that needs an #action | 13:20 |
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| berendt | #action berendt Add bug triage as a permanent item to our agenda. | 13:20 |
| berendt | more for liberty? if not i want to discuss mitaka, then we can have a look at open bugs | 13:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing here | 13:22 |
| berendt | #topic Potential changes for Mitaka guide | 13:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Potential changes for Mitaka guide (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:22 | |
| berendt | I think we should write a spec here like for the Liberty and Kilo release. | 13:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, needs a spec. i dont have anything particular in mind outside of mandatory/recommended config changes | 13:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | no major architectural changes at least | 13:23 |
| berendt | we can add the training lab there | 13:23 |
| berendt | Sam-I-Am: do you want to write the spec? you did it the last times. | 13:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 13:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll be pretty basic at the start | 13:23 |
| berendt | yes of course, then we can extend it over the time and merge it prior to mitaka release | 13:24 |
| berendt | I think we did it this way the last times? | 13:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | yup | 13:24 |
| berendt | #action Sam-I-Am create a basic spec for mitaka | 13:24 |
| berendt | more for mitaka at the moment? | 13:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | not here | 13:25 |
| berendt | #topic bug triage | 13:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 13:25 | |
| berendt | Sam-I-Am: do you want to discuss specific bugs or our bug triage process at all? | 13:26 |
| berendt | Sam-I-Am: I think we (at least myself) should spend more time on the bug reports | 13:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1517970 | 13:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517970 in openstack-manuals "Configure the Block Storage service in OpenStack Installation Guide for Ubuntu 14.04 - kilo" [Undecided,New] | 13:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | that one needs testing | 13:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | the ceilometer devref says one thing, cinder says another | 13:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've never seen a problem there, but who knows | 13:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | some of these bugs are hard to triage because the problem is not necessarily what it looks like | 13:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i look over the bugs daily and try to triage what i can | 13:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | then there's things like this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1519339 | 13:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519339 in openstack-manuals "Create OpenStack client environment scripts in Installation Guide CentOS 7" [Undecided,New] | 13:28 |
| berendt | what about creating a backlog of open bug report in a etherpad? this way it is easier to track the progress of them | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | obviously if our doc didnt work, none of the centos testing would work... so this person has a typo somewhere | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | most likely | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | but it helps to have a lab running to test bugs when you're not sure | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think the agenda etherpad could also contain a list of open bugs | 13:29 |
| berendt | that's good | 13:30 |
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| berendt | i will change the topic to open discussion and propose the agenda etherpad | 13:30 |
| berendt | i think we cannot do more on pending bugs at the moment, we have to spend more time on them to resolve them | 13:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure | 13:31 |
| berendt | #topic open discussion | 13:31 |
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| berendt | so agenda etherpad is fine? | 13:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 13:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | just link to it somewhere | 13:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, i normally wont make this meeting | 13:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | because its 6 AM local | 13:32 |
| berendt | #action berendt use an etherpad instead of a wiki page for the agenda (create review request for irc-meetings) | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just happen to me one time zone over this week | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | be | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | when DST comes back i can be here | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was also hoping to see more people here | 13:32 |
| berendt | I will try to join the APAC meetings, but this is around 2 am here :( | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | now that the meeting is irc | 13:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but i'm guessing that wasn't really the problem | 13:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm usually around for the apac meetings | 13:33 |
| berendt | #action track pending bug reports in the agenda etherpad | 13:33 |
| berendt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docinstallteam-agenda | 13:33 |
| berendt | anything more? | 13:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | not here | 13:34 |
| berendt | thank you, let's go back to #openstack-doc | 13:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks | 13:35 |
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| berendt | #endmeeting | 13:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 13:35:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-24-13.01.html | 13:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-24-13.01.txt | 13:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2015/docinstallteam.2015-11-24-13.01.log.html | 13:35 |
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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 14:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
| shaohe_feng | Hi PaulMurray | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | Hi, who's here for live migration | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | o/ | 14:01 |
| jlanoux_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| davidgiluk | hi | 14:01 |
| yuntongjin | Hi PaulMurray | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi yuntongjin | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | I'll wait a minute as usual to give people a chance to join | 14:01 |
| shaohe_feng | yuntongjin: are you here? | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | ok - lets get started | 14:02 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: it does not mattet. I'm work with yuntongjin. anythin, I can convey to him | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | There is an agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:03 |
| * davidgiluk will try to be here each week - I work on QEMU migration at RH | 14:03 | |
| PaulMurray | davidgiluk, thank you, that will be helpful | 14:03 |
| yuntongjin | shaohe_feng:yes, i'm here | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs status | 14:04 |
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| PaulMurray | We are getting close to the spec cutoff | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, mentioned the other day that the cutoff is intended to be there for priority specs too | 14:04 |
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| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248705/ | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | most are there | 14:05 |
| mdbooth | That has a constructive -1 from danpb | 14:05 |
| mdbooth | I need to address those comments | 14:05 |
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| eliqiao | hi | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, yes, saw that - do you want to discuss something about it? | 14:05 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: I'd like to talk about auto converge. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248358/ | 14:06 |
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| shaohe_feng | there are 2 things . | 14:06 |
| shaohe_feng | 1. we dicide to set the auto converge as default value. right? | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, hold on a moment | 14:06 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: OK. | 14:07 |
| mdbooth | Well, the meat of it is in the spec. I'd only say that we focussed on just the transfer mechanism last time. However, when I looked at the code to flesh out the detail, it became clear to me that the much harder problem was getting the code flow right. | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you have a plan together for that? | 14:08 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yup. It's in that spec :) | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | so we just need to review it then ? | 14:08 |
| mdbooth | So, I agree with everything which was approved originally. | 14:08 |
| mdbooth | I just think it glosses over some pretty hard stuff which we need to solve before we can do that. | 14:08 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yup. | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, ok, so lets see how it goes - I will certainly go over it today, but may not be best place to judge | 14:09 |
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| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, we will come to your spec in a minute - there was one on the agenda I want to go to first (because it was on the agenda) | 14:10 |
| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: I will also take a look | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245543/ | 14:10 |
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| PaulMurray | alex_xu, are you there? | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | PaulMurray: hi, I'm here | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | I think that is yours | 14:11 |
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| alex_xu | Actually I already bring this to api meeting, and get agreement on we can remove disk_over_commit flag directly with microversion, and without deprecate first | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | PaulMurray: thanks | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | next thing I want to ask is what is the API behaviour after remove disk_over_commit | 14:12 |
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| pkoniszewski | i agree with this one, but what about block migration flag? | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | we didn't check the disksize anymore or keep check the virtual_size as disk_over_commit=True? | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | i'd prefer second | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | pkoniszewski: the propose is make block migration flag optional, and the default value is None, then nova will doing the right thing based on the storage is shared or not | 14:13 |
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| alex_xu | Ideally the resource tracker should check the disk usage as what we do in other action, but that should be another bug fix. | 14:13 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, did you see the check alex_xu is talking about when you were looking at the code for your spec | 14:14 |
| * mdbooth would strongly prefer that. We can update the scheduler to be shared-storage aware separately. | 14:14 | |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Which one specifically? | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | That is a reason I begin to think about after remove disk_over_commit, we remove the disk size check totally, as except libvirt driver, no other driver check the disk size | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | My new spec wants to do away with the current shared storage detection. | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I like the stop the current check, and make the scheduler/resource tracker do the right thing instead | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: I thought that your spec (split LM code) will remove block migration flag | 14:14 |
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| mdbooth | It will, instead just check on the dest if the storage already exists. If it does, it assumes it's because of shared storage. | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, nope, i'm not going to touch rest api | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | ok, that makes sense then | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, I think the check is there because libvirt creates a file at the disk size | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | what about smth like aggregates for shared storages? | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, not sure if that is just to check shared storage or as part of copy | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | i was thinking about your comment to do with sparse copy | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: shared storage is going to be modelled by resource provider pools stuff soon, AFAIK | 14:16 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, sounds good, any spec for that? | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: jaypipes has one someone where, I think its this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225546/ | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: pushing up the pci-generate-stats one first, then a new rev on that. | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: meetings, meetings, meetings... | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: will definitely have both BPs pushed again today. | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, did any of that answer your question? I got lost in the discussion | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ - live-migration refactoring, need some time to update this, comments are welcome | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I'm also lost :) Not sure which specific check we're talking about. The shared storage detection is kinda distributed, which is a large part of its problem. | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, never mind - I might be confusing things | 14:20 |
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| alex_xu | yea...I'm also lost...the shared storage detection is next step after we have resource provide. So people are ok with current propose? | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | alex_xu, did you get what you need | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | alex_xu: Please look at my spec, though, because I want to do shared storage detection quite differently. | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | alex_xu, I think I saw some people agree | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | If I've missed something obvious, it would be good to know about that sooner. | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | mdbooth: ok, no problem, I will take look at | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | Does anyone disagree with what alex_xu proposed? | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | I.e.: remove the disk size check? | 14:22 |
| alex_xu | yea | 14:22 |
| alex_xu | if no response, I guess it means agree :) | 14:22 |
| eliqiao | seem it depend on mdbooth about shared storage part ? | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | I think so | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: sorry, I lots the link, which is your new spec? | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth, starred spec too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248705/ | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | ok - now I have made shaohe_feng wait - so he is up next | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248358/ | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | The disk size check is orthogonal to my stuff | 14:24 |
| alex_xu | whatever shared storage detect is next step? | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, over to you | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the specific check I was talking about was this one: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L5340 | 14:24 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248705/ | 14:24 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: OK | 14:24 |
| shaohe_feng | 2 things | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: ah, OK | 14:25 |
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| shaohe_feng | 1. most want to set auto converge in nova.conf | 14:25 |
| shaohe_feng | if this flag is not set in nova.conf | 14:26 |
| shaohe_feng | the default value is true or false? | 14:26 |
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| shaohe_feng | 2. qemu version > 1.6 support auto coverge. | 14:26 |
| pkoniszewski | shaohe_feng: if it is not set then it is False | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | +1 | 14:26 |
| yuntongjin | +1 | 14:27 |
| pkoniszewski | shaohe_feng: the point is we need newer libvirt | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like we could default to auto converge being on? at least when you have new enough QEMU, or am I missing a bit? | 14:27 |
| shaohe_feng | but libvirt version(1.2.3) support a API to set auto converge. | 14:27 |
| pkoniszewski | shaohe_feng: what about python bindings? I thought that it is included since 1.2.8 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtDistroSupportMatrix | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | we also need check libvirt version | 14:28 |
| shaohe_feng | so if qemu 1.8, and libvirt 1.2.2 do we still need to support auto converge? | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | IMO we need to bump min libvirt version before we move on there | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | I guess no, we only support the thing libvirt api exposed. | 14:28 |
| shaohe_feng | pkoniszewski: but we can use libvirt to send qmp comment to enable it. | 14:29 |
| yuntongjin | +1 with alex | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | not really, bindings are generated in a weird way | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | and i'm not sure that libvirt 1.2.3 will support this | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we already add support for things that need a higher version of libvirt than the minimum, but I guess it can't be on by default | 14:29 |
| davidgiluk | shaohe_feng: QEMU 2.5 has some (experimental) parameters for changing the throttling levels of autoconverge, not in libvirt yet, but it's something to keep in mind | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | and needs clear errors when it fails to work due to the libvirt version | 14:29 |
| shaohe_feng | davidgiluk: yes. | 14:30 |
| shaohe_feng | davidgiluk: do we will support to set the throttling level? | 14:30 |
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| davidgiluk | shaohe_feng: I think so, they are migration parameters (x-cpu-throttle-increment, x-cpu-throttle-initial) | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, this is qemu specific isn't it ? | 14:31 |
| shaohe_feng | so the same case with xbzrle compress | 14:31 |
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| yuntongjin | this is qemu specific | 14:32 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: not sure other hypervisor support this feature. | 14:32 |
| eliqiao | auto-coverage require qemu>=1.6 | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | I was thinking about what gets exposed - if these are qemu specific config parameters that is ok | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | If its visible in the API then I think it is not ok | 14:33 |
| eliqiao | davidgiluk: can you tell where "x-cpu-throttle-increment x-cpu-throttle-initial" come from? | 14:33 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: so how do we support to set the throttling level, if it is qemu specific | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: +1 | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, that has been a long discussion in lots of other features | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am very much against us leaking these implementation details out the API, or in image properties, etc | 14:34 |
| davidgiluk | eliqiao: They are migration parameters, set using migrate_set_parameter (that's the HMP name) | 14:34 |
| yuntongjin | shaohe_feng: i'd suggest a auto-setting "x-cpu-throttle-increment x-cpu-throttle-initial" | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | Nova is aiming to provide a single API experience across all Nova installations, lets keep that in mind | 14:34 |
| shaohe_feng | davidgiluk: like the xzbrle set cache size. | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | now there may be some technology specific tunables that make sense to go in nova.conf, say if you network is a certain capacity you need to change the throttle, etc | 14:35 |
| davidgiluk | shaohe_feng: No, xzbrle cache size is annoyingly special - it's a migrate_set_cache_size command, the hope is that all future numerical parameters are set using migrate_set_parameter | 14:35 |
| eliqiao | yeah , I am currios about if we should set live migration throttling level in nova? | 14:36 |
| davidgiluk | eliqiao: No one quite knows what value to set it to yet though, kind of depends on the workload | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | workload dependence is the nasty part, thats where I think pause is more useful here | 14:36 |
| eliqiao | davidgiluk: okay , then nova should decide it or expose a new api to let operatior do it? | 14:36 |
| shaohe_feng | davidgiluk: than need libvirt support the a new API for xzbrle cache_size | 14:37 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: The old autoconverge code didn't try very hard, the new one tries a lot harder if you set those parameters up, of course pause guarantees it will be quiet - or postcopy is the alternate guarantee | 14:37 |
| eliqiao | as Daniel Berrange commentd on that spec, some low level throttling parameter shouldn't expose to nova, how do we go with these libvirt feature? | 14:38 |
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| eliqiao | a stupid nova or a smart one ? | 14:38 |
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| mdbooth | At the highest level, some instances may prefer to be killed than to run slowly | 14:38 |
| shaohe_feng | eliqiao: yes. ^ what should we do? | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao, could start stupid and then improve | 14:39 |
| mdbooth | Because they will recover quickly if killed, but will miss deadlines if running slowly | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | We are starting to build some features to help migration | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | +1 for starting with stupid one | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | and this should be imo configurable through nova.conf | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | not the api | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | pause is a stupid one | 14:39 |
| paul-carlton1 | It is tempting to add lots of knobs to live migration, this could be exposed in a non driver specific way by usings key value pairs but much better to just express a policy ranging from pause the instance to let it complete through various degrees of impact on instance performance to allow migration to complete | 14:39 |
| mdbooth | I think some level of per-instance tunable is inevitable | 14:39 |
| eliqiao | PaulMurray: how to get more smarter if we don't want to know the low level throttling stuff? | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | eliqiao: watcher should step in | 14:40 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, agree | 14:40 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: got it. So for xzbrle, we can set enable flag and cache size in nova.conf | 14:40 |
| shaohe_feng | right? | 14:40 |
| eliqiao | pkoniszewski: yeah, but watcher depends on nova, but nova has no API be called at all. | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, sounds like a good start | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | polices around downtime, are the better way to approach this, in terms of per image/instance | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | do we really want to have XBZRLE enabled by default? | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | it has some impact on memory... | 14:40 |
| yuntongjin | and cpu | 14:41 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: thank you. then I need know how to do it. | 14:41 |
| alex_xu | no, it shouldn't be the default | 14:41 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: No! | 14:41 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: It really sucks CPU | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I have been thinking enable by default to help the testing of these features, but if its not available in the min_version, and has resource requirements, that doesn't seem like a good move | 14:42 |
| eliqiao | davidgiluk: +1 | 14:42 |
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| eliqiao | davidgiluk: later we are expect multi-thread compression | 14:42 |
| paul-carlton1 | So we should have pause, cancel and a dial we can set on an in progress instance migration as well as an initial setting for all migration that ranges from don't put instance performance/integrity at risk at all to allow significant impact | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | if it uses so many resources, should we both supporting it? | 14:42 |
| davidgiluk | eliqiao: Yes, I've had that running as well | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | When optimising disk transfer in another context, I found that compression reduced transfer performance on a fast network in practice. | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/both/bother/ | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | one question - have we decided which version of libvirt will be supported in O-release already? | 14:43 |
| * mdbooth would ignore compression. | 14:43 | |
| davidgiluk | paul-carlton1: I'm not sure it's a linear type of line of different features like that | 14:43 |
| pkoniszewski | I think that it is a clue for our problems that we have now | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: this is all we have right now: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtDistroSupportMatrix | 14:43 |
| shaohe_feng | yes. we are working on multi-thread compression in libvirt. and maybe we need think how should we support the API to set multi-thread compression parmeters. | 14:43 |
| eliqiao | mdbooth: what's your concern about compression? | 14:43 |
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| mdbooth | eliqiao: It makes it slower. | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | Whilst also using more cpu. | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | That was my experience, anyway. | 14:44 |
| davidgiluk | mdbooth: That's what my measurements show, although I think there's some hope that if you have a compression accelerator etc it might help | 14:44 |
| eliqiao | mdbooth: but may required in some specify cases | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | unless you have a very constrained network, which seems like the less likely case | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao, mdbooth shaohe_feng I think we need to draw this discussion to a close for now | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | time is running on | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | Perhaps it should go on the mailing list? | 14:44 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: OK | 14:44 |
| eliqiao | PaulMurray: okay, thx. | 14:45 |
| pkoniszewski | 15 minutes left | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | sorry to do that, but time wont stop | 14:45 |
| bauzas | oh snap, missed the meeting | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI status | 14:45 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, do you have an update for us | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:45 |
| tdurakov | yep | 14:45 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247081/ - need to merge this | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | enables nfs for live-migration | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | started to work on ceph | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | I see jaypipes has a +2 on that review already | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | example of job execution | 14:47 |
| tdurakov | http://logs.openstack.org/81/247081/14/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration/a098ca9/logs/devstack-gate-post_test_hook.txt.gz | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, good progress | 14:47 |
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| tdurakov | that's all about ci for today | 14:48 |
| alex_xu | tdurakov: nice work | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | the last time we spoke the plan was to add ceph and some tests | 14:48 |
| eliqiao | tdurakov: the scritps seems cool, but a little hard to be understaned as jaypipes 's commented. | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | then ask about moving to check queue - right? | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | tests in tempest on review already | 14:48 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: good progress! Thanks! | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | yep | 14:48 |
| jlanoux_ | tdurakov: did you start working on project-config? | 14:49 |
| tdurakov | eliqiao, it's all about context, will add several comments | 14:49 |
| eliqiao | tdurakov: thanks, that would be great ! | 14:49 |
| tdurakov | jlanoux_, yes, it's in progress to | 14:49 |
| jlanoux_ | tdurakov: cool! | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, we should be thinking about adding tests to this job to add coverage for things we do | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | when do you think it will be a good idea to start doing that? | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | after in check queue? | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | yep, we need to merge tempest test, and then other multinode staff could be added | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | tests* | 14:51 |
| eliqiao | PaulMurray: it's cool to use gate to testing new feature. thanks gate! | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao, :) | 14:51 |
| tdurakov | :) | 14:51 |
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| PaulMurray | thanks tdurakov - need to move to next topic | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Bugs | 14:51 |
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| alex_xu | yea, thanks tdurakov | 14:51 |
| tdurakov | as patch for nfs being merged feel free too check experimental on patches | 14:51 |
| tdurakov | surre | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215483/ | 14:52 |
| rajesht | hi | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | rajesht, over to you | 14:52 |
| rajesht | I have added comment abt approaches to fix this issue to LP bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1470420 | 14:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470420 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Set migration status to 'error' instead of 'failed' during live-migration" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rajesh Tailor (rajesh-tailor) | 14:52 |
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| PaulMurray | rajesht, sorry I didn't get around to review this again - I had a quick look | 14:53 |
| rajesht | IMO to remove instance files on live-migration failure we need to set migration status to 'error' so that periodic_task cleanup_incomplete_migration will delete instance files. | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | I saw ndipanov wasn't happy about that approach | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | did yo uunderstand his comment - he is not here | 14:53 |
| alex_xu | I also remember that | 14:54 |
| rajesht | Yes, he mentioned that it is reasonable to have retry logic but thta logic is not there.. | 14:54 |
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| rajesht | on _do_live_migration method | 14:54 |
| rajesht | there were total three places where migration status should be replace from failed to error. | 14:55 |
| alex_xu | sorry, I miss the context also, need take a look at more on the patch | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we resolve the worry about failed vs error being used in the periodic tasks for clean up tasks? | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | rajesht, I said I would look closer at that because I thought one of them should be failed - but was not completely sure | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | also, I am a bit worried that changes the public API a little bit | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | so I don't think that is resolved | 14:56 |
| rajesht | In that case, would you please review it again and comment your suggestions. | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | rajesht, I will do that - but I think we need nikola and others with more background in this error handling to comment | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | as well | 14:58 |
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| PaulMurray | so i think we have to leave it there. | 14:58 |
| rajesht | PaulMurray: sure, Will contact nikola for his feedback. | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open | 14:58 |
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| PaulMurray | we have no time for open | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | sorry | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | but thank you for coming | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | #help please review the specs | 14:59 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247016/ | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | we need to end now | 14:59 |
| alex_xu | please help on review this great doc by PaulMurray ^ | 14:59 |
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| PaulMurray | well done for sneaking the quick link in :) | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 14:59:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-24-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-24-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-11-24-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| eliqiao | thanks | 15:02 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 17:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
| ashishjain | Ashish Jain | 17:00 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | hi ashishjain, datsun180b | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda for today: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-11-24_1700_UTC | 17:01 |
| ashishjain | hi devkulkarni,datsun180b | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | hopefully others will join us soon | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: did you get a chance to file the two bugs | 17:01 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: I will do it soon just wanted to give it a try again | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: sounds good | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | no rush | 17:02 |
| ashishjain | tnx | 17:02 |
| dimtruck | o/ | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | just wanted to see if we want to discuss them at the meeting | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | hello dimtruck | 17:02 |
| dimtruck | hi | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | we are just getting started | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni | will wait for another minute and then move along with the announcements | 17:03 |
| ashishjain | We can highlight the issue probably but I would want to run little more checks to provide some inputs on my own | 17:04 |
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| devkulkarni | ashishjain: makes sense | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | alright, moving on to announcements | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:04 | |
| devkulkarni | 1) Solum Liberty release | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/liberty/4.0.0 | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-solumclient/1.2.7 | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | finally we cut the liberty release last week | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | all the important outstanding patches were merged | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | and ttx helped us with the release steps | 17:05 |
| datsun180b | that's great news | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | the client is also up-to-date now on pypi | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: yep | 17:06 |
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| ashishjain | congrats for this new release!!! | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | in case you get a chance to spin up vagrant, you would be glad to work with the new api | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | thanks ashishjain | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | hope to get your patches as part of the next release :) | 17:07 |
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| ashishjain | Definitely :) | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Virtual hackday | 17:07 |
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| devkulkarni | We had our first virtual hackday last Wednesday (November 18) | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | 18 | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | We ended up doing several things; Bugs tagged; bugs triaged; assembly/plan related bugs marked as 'Won't fix'; submitted a patch to fix a CLI bug | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | let me go over each of these | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | a) bugs tagged | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/ | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | I spent some time tagging all the outstanding bugs | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | you will notice that there are several 'Tags' now | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | the main ones imo are the following tags 'solum-api' solum-worker solum-deployer | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | documentation | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | functional-tests | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | if you want to pick a bug to work on, these above mentioned tags are something that you want to focus on | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | the bugs tagged with any of the above tags are directly affecting solum right now | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | alright | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | b) bugs triaged; | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | I triaged a couple of bugs and submitted a patch for one of them | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | I think it was a cli bug; | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | the patch is merged | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | c) assembly/plan related bugs marked as 'Won't fix'; | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | we had several bugs which were related to assembly/plan abstraction | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | I checked with gpilz if he was planning to submit any patches on it | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | but he mentioned that right now he is occupied with other things | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | since we have moved on and started using app and workflow abstraction, I felt that it is appropriate if we mark assembly/plan bugs as 'Won't fix' | 17:13 |
| dimtruck | +1 | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | this helps in keeping our bug list focused only on those things which are currently relevant | 17:14 |
| ashishjain | +1 | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | overall the bug traige day was a success.. it gave a focused time to work on all the above things | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | may be if folks are interested we can do another such event sometime in January | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. those were the announcements I had prepared | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni | anyone has any announcements to make? | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | oh I have one more.. I will be traveling to Pune tomorrow | 17:16 |
| ashishjain | ohh cool | 17:16 |
| ashishjain | I remember you have a hackathon there | 17:16 |
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| adrian_otto | o/ | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | I will be there till the end of December.. I plan to work from there for a couple of weeks | 17:16 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: do you plan to be in bangalore | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 17:17 |
| adrian_otto | hi devkulkarni | 17:17 |
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| devkulkarni | ashishjain: yes, I was working with coolsvap to figure out if we can hold a hackathon in Pune | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | haven't heard from him yet | 17:17 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: hackathon on solum? | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: right now, I don't have any plans to travel to Bangalore. | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | actually we were thinking of more general hackathon on all things openstack | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | coolsvap was thinking of getting all the stackers together from Pune and organizing something | 17:18 |
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| ashishjain | okay | 17:18 |
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| devkulkarni | don't know if we might get enough ppl if it is just for solum; so we were thinking of doing a more general one | 17:18 |
| ashishjain | Do let me know I can see if some folks from my company can join in pune as well | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: if you can make it to Pune for that that will be awesome | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: cool | 17:19 |
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| devkulkarni | will surely let you know | 17:19 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: sure will let you know | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. any other announcements from team members.. will wait for 30 seconds before proceeding | 17:19 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 17:20 |
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| devkulkarni | (done) devkulkarni to update Mitaka roadmap to include a feature for setting app parameters both at app create time and app deploy time | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/HighLevelRoadmap#Milestone:_Mitaka | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | to give some context on this .. | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | currently we support setting application parameters as part of 'solum app create' (i.e. at the time of application registration) | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | we have discussed previously that we should also support passing in parameters as part of 'solum app deploy' (ie at the time of app deployment) | 17:22 |
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| devkulkarni | this is for purposes such as overriding the variables that were set at the create time; or sometimes the parameters may not be known at the create time | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | muralia suggested that we add this feature to the Mitaka roadmap; | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | which made sense | 17:23 |
| ashishjain | makes sense | 17:23 |
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| devkulkarni | yeah.. so I have updated the roadmap | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | the second action item was: | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | devkulkarni to figure out how to retire solum readthedocs | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | this is still pending | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | will carry it forward | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to figure out how to retire solum readthedocs | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | there were no other action items | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 17:25 |
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| devkulkarni | we have couple of bugs for review | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | should be quick, if cores can take a look at them | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248376/ | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247648/ | 17:26 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | thanks adrian_otto | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: if you can take a look as well that would be super helpful | 17:27 |
| adrian_otto | he already voted on the first one | 17:27 |
| datsun180b | i'm quick | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | ha ha | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | thanks datsun180b | 17:28 |
| adrian_otto | those were easy ones | 17:28 |
| adrian_otto | setting records for the most tiny patches? | 17:28 |
| datsun180b | no victory too small to celebrate | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | helps to have cores like you guys around :) | 17:28 |
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| devkulkarni | the next two patches are related to adding reno to our repo | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243295/6 | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | has two -1 | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | I need to submit a follow up patch addressing the comments | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | the second patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243301/ | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni | has two +2s. I need to ping folks on openstack-infra to get it approved | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: btw, we did not see email about list of jobs which are not converted over to use devstack plugin | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | at least I did not see email last week | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | probably all the projects moved over? | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni | to give some context.. | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | we were one of the few projects who had not converted our devstack gate job to use the new plugin model of devstack | 17:32 |
| dimtruck | awesome!!! | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni | dimtruck submitted patch last week (which got merged) | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | I remembered about this right now, as that patch too needed to be approved by folks from openstack-infra | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | anyways, let me take an action item to ping openstack-infra folks to approve our reno patch | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to follow up with openstack-infra on the patch for adding release notes job for solum | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | I think that completes the list of patches which needed review | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | are there any other patches/bugs which we have not covered but we should discuss? | 17:35 |
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| devkulkarni | waiting for a minute before opening up for open discussion | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| ashishjain | devkulkarni: Just a question | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: sure | 17:39 |
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| ashishjain | I see the solum liberty release being done today although openstack liberty was done long back | 17:39 |
| ashishjain | why is that? | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: oh.. so solum is following independent release model | 17:40 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | the projects following this model can release independently without keeping in sync with the other openstack projects | 17:40 |
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| ashishjain | Is solum not under the big tent? | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | which follow release-with-cycle model | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: we are under big tent | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | but the release model is not tied to that | 17:41 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | basically, there are three release models currently | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | release-at-end-of-cycle | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | release-with-intermediate | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | release-independent | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | release-with-cycle (first one above), requires a project to follow a strict release cycle | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | it includes following the three milestones releases | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | for instance, for mitaka, the first milestone is next week | 17:42 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | which means, any project that is following the release-with-cycle model, will have to cut a release for mitaka-m1 next week | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | the release-with-intermediate model is where you don't need to strictly follow the three milestone dates | 17:43 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | but you are still required to release at some points before the following summit comes around | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | so basically, for Mitaka release, it will be sometime before the Austin summit comes around (I think there are exact dates defined by which the release needs to be cut) | 17:44 |
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| devkulkarni | the release-independent model does not have any of the above restrictions | 17:44 |
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| ashishjain | solum follows release-independent model | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | such projects can release whenever they find it appropriate | 17:45 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: yes, when we submitted our application to the big tent, we specified in our governance patch | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | that we will be following the release-independent model | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | the reason for doing that was so that we don't have strictly follow the release dates | 17:46 |
| ashishjain | okay got it | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | btw, the release process is undergoing a change | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | you might have seen emails about this recently | 17:47 |
| ashishjain | what change is being being brought in ... sorry I have not seen | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | in fact, ttx has been helping us with the release | 17:47 |
| ashishjain | I think I need to apply some filters | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | the changes are what I mentioned above | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | that there are three release models now | 17:48 |
| ashishjain | okay got it | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | and how one should choose which release model for their project | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | etc. | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | another thing they are going to change is what happens to the status of a bug when a patch for that is merged | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | right now, the way gerrit and launchpad is setup, when a bug is merged, its status is changed to 'Fix Committed' | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | then, the release manager has to manually change these status to 'Fix Released' when a release is cut | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | apparently the infra team had been noticing that using launchpad to keep track | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | of what was released was not always accurate | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | so they introduced reno to track what went into a release | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni | so now they are going to change what status a bug will be set to when a patch is merged | 17:50 |
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| ashishjain | okay | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | instead of 'Fix committed', such bugs are going to be marked as 'Fix Released' | 17:51 |
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| devkulkarni | I don't understand the full details yet, but | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | from release manager's pov, the work has been reduced | 17:51 |
| ashishjain | yeah | 17:51 |
| ashishjain | one more question does solum also has diverse-affiliation tag? | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | there is no more manual step to change the bug status from 'Fix Committed' to 'Fix Released' | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: I think yes it does; I will have to double check though | 17:52 |
| ashishjain | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/solum.html | 17:52 |
| ashishjain | I was just checking this could not find it here | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | yep; I think all the tags are listed in one of the repos | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | probably the governance repo | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | I will check with the tc | 17:53 |
| ashishjain | cool thanks for this | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | good questions ashishjain | 17:54 |
| ashishjain | thanks devkulkarni | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to check with tc what all tags does solum have currently | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. looks like we are almost at the end of our meeting time. will end the meeting in 30 seconds | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for joining today | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | see you next week | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 17:58:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-24-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-24-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-11-24-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| terrylhowe | briancurtin: | 18:59 |
| terrylhowe | etoews: | 18:59 |
| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 18:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
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| breton | o/ | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | i don’t have any specific agenda here, so it’s fairly open. 0.7.1 just went out and i’m upgrading the rackspace extension to work with KSA for the auth plugin, and putting out a release of that with two service extensions, which should gain some users (though mostly internal people) | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: anything you want to cover here? i’ve seen some chatter about OSC using SDK’s network stuff | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | I’m working on the integration with osc, seems to be working | 19:03 |
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| terrylhowe | I’ll probably remove the ‘do not merge’ soon | 19:03 |
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| etoews | i've been working on getting the docs published to developer.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246591/ | 19:05 |
| etoews | one thing that came up talking to annegentle is how do we handle doc versions? | 19:06 |
| etoews | which begs the question, what are our requirements? | 19:06 |
| briancurtin | i don’t understand either of those questions | 19:06 |
| etoews | so we agreed to publish to developer.openstack.org/sdks/python/openstacksdk | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | er, maybe on the first one, build the docs by tag? | 19:07 |
| etoews | right | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | is that something infra can do? | 19:07 |
| etoews | do we want to have a docs published for every version we release? | 19:07 |
| etoews | i think infras capabilities might be limited here but i haven't really dug into it yet. | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | I would think latest would be best | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | atm, only a couple releases per cycle | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | i would hope we can get docs for probably every X.Y, and that is always the latest in the X.Y series | 19:08 |
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| etoews | briancurtin: i'm not 100% sure what you mean by "that is always the latest in the X.Y series" | 19:09 |
| etoews | example? | 19:09 |
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| briancurtin | right now we have 0.7.0 and 0.7.1 versions out there. docs.blah/sdk/python/0.7 would be the 0.7.1 docs. when 0.7.2 comes out, it would be those | 19:10 |
| etoews | yep. that sgtm. | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | if that is doable, sounds better than just latest | 19:11 |
| etoews | so we would always have /0.6 /0.7 /1.0 /1.1 etc. | 19:11 |
| etoews | and maybe a /latest ??? | 19:11 |
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| briancurtin | in an idea world, yes to all of that | 19:11 |
| etoews | that's what i would like too. no idea if it's possible. | 19:11 |
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| briancurtin | I’m guessing, based on what i remember, that we only get latest right now | 19:12 |
| etoews | or that you can build based on *branch* not tag (because some reason) | 19:12 |
| etoews | that's what i haven't dug into yet. | 19:13 |
| etoews | but if we can only get latest for now, do we consider that good enough until more publishing options come along? | 19:13 |
| briancurtin | yeah, as i think right now latest is all anyone probably wants. once we start moving on down the road, stability and pinning will matter more. someone’s going to want to hang onto 1.3 | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | we probably also need to have stable branches, or something like that | 19:15 |
| etoews | okay. i'll see what's possible. actually getting things out there will likely have to wait until annegentle gets back next week because of the theme change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247059 | 19:17 |
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| briancurtin | i think we can just make that requirement change and push it through | 19:18 |
| etoews | if it's urgent, sure. | 19:19 |
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| briancurtin | etoews: i just pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247059/ which i think completes it | 19:21 |
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| etoews | k | 19:22 |
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| terrylhowe | anything else? | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | i don’t really have anything. plugging away at this extension thing for right now now that the release is out | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | I’m going to guess we’ll hit a slowdown the rest of the week, at least thurs/fri | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good | 19:27 |
| etoews | anything to review in https://launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+milestone/1.0 | 19:27 |
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| briancurtin | there’s https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1467732 which has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194767/ (pretty complete) and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242694/ (a potentially different direction, or rather extension of that one that will allow it to be used for both types of metadata) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1467732 in OpenStack SDK "Improve server metadata usability" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Curtin (brian.curtin) | 19:30 |
| etoews | should probably move the wishlist stuff out of M1 (except for the occ one). | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | ah, yeah. i had a separate query i’ve been looking at that excludes it | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | (it gets rid of the released/committed stuff so it’s more of a todo list) | 19:31 |
| etoews | ya. launchpad is difficult by default. | 19:32 |
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| briancurtin | ok, those are all out of m1 | 19:32 |
| etoews | so if it's down to confirmed and in progress we're in reasonably good shape. | 19:33 |
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| etoews | still trying to get 1.0 out before the end of the year? | 19:34 |
| briancurtin | i hope so | 19:34 |
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| etoews | ++ | 19:35 |
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| etoews | does anyone know Richard Theis? | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | sounds good, I think just play with it a bit more and make sure things are working. Qiming was having some issues with selin (sp?) client today, but I think it had dependencies on the old transport | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | the remaining Confirmed bugs seem relatively easy to get through. of course things are going to pop up as we complete the rest of this stuff, but assuming relatively the same amount of activity from everyone, i think end of year is probably doable | 19:36 |
| etoews | ah. i see he's in #openstack-sdks. | 19:38 |
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| terrylhowe | he is interested in contributing to osc for network stuff and he has been contributing around | 19:38 |
| etoews | that's awesome. | 19:39 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yeah, I’m hoping some of the work i’m doing for the rackspace extension should put some good mileage on it. i had a guy in our UK office enable support for our Cloud Backup and Cloud Databases stuff, and he’s working on a few other things we offer. his team wants to start using SDK for some tools | 19:39 |
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| terrylhowe | This osc stuff should exercise at least the network stuff | 19:43 |
| briancurtin | and that’s probably the biggest set of APIs we have, so that’s pretty good | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 19:47:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-24-18.59.html | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-24-18.59.txt | 19:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-11-24-18.59.log.html | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | thanks everyone | 19:47 |
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