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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 16:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| jklare | hi all | 16:00 |
| calbers | hi | 16:00 |
| jklare | i will wait some minutes for more people to join :) | 16:01 |
| sc` | hi! | 16:01 |
| jklare | yay | 16:01 |
| jklare | hi sc` | 16:01 |
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| sc` | morning/afternoon | 16:02 |
| jklare | i guess we can start with our first and probably most important topic | 16:03 |
| jklare | #topic we need more active contributors | 16:03 |
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| jklare | currently we are down a max of 5 people in our meetings | 16:04 |
| jklare | and although the we have made some progress regarding the designate cookbook and the refactoring process, the whole work is down to only a few people | 16:04 |
| jklare | which is "not ideal" | 16:05 |
| sc` | the main issue i see is that most folks that are active consumers are taking a point in time snapshot and working off of that | 16:05 |
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| sc` | so they're not even looking towards master developments | 16:05 |
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| jklare | sure, but usually you would come back from time to time to get the hot new stuff | 16:06 |
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| sc` | depends. out of my team, i'm the only one keeping up with the project's goings on | 16:07 |
| j^2 | hey guys | 16:07 |
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| j^2 | i'm sick so i'm not happy :( | 16:07 |
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| sc` | 'tis the season | 16:07 |
| jklare | i was thinking about maybe contacting the users commitee and ask them if we can start a short survey to figure out if people are acutally interested in using the cookbooks | 16:08 |
| jklare | so we could design the survey | 16:08 |
| j^2 | jklare: they already have it as part of the survey | 16:08 |
| j^2 | it's in the report | 16:08 |
| jklare | i guess they asked if people are using chef | 16:08 |
| j^2 | yeah that's the best well get out of them | 16:09 |
| jklare | i think we need more detailed information | 16:10 |
| markvan_ | hi | 16:10 |
| jklare | hi | 16:10 |
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| jklare | and i guess that we could design a more detailed survey | 16:10 |
| j^2 | jklare: yeah and i don't think they'll do that | 16:10 |
| jklare | question is if we can get people to answer this survey | 16:10 |
| j^2 | from what i've been apart of the UC doesnt have that granulaity | 16:10 |
| sc` | there needs to be a better understanding as to who is actually using the cookbooks and would be interested in the continued development | 16:10 |
| sc` | surveys are nice, but they're totally opt-in | 16:11 |
| jklare | any other ideas on how to figure that out? | 16:11 |
| j^2 | not a damn thing | 16:11 |
| sc` | unfortunately not | 16:11 |
| j^2 | we have to just "continue" and push forward, make something for _us_ and if other want to join they will | 16:11 |
| j^2 | it's becoming this over time | 16:12 |
| j^2 | unless you speak up you'll get what we create | 16:12 |
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| jklare | yeah, but that sounds more like making people angry and then come and shout at us | 16:12 |
| jklare | its not an active process of getting people involved | 16:13 |
| sc` | we don't get much in the way of foot traffic on the ml or in the channel, unless someone hits a wtf moment or is just totally in the wrong channel | 16:13 |
| j^2 | well as we all know we don't have involement right now, so even negitive involvement is better then no involement | 16:13 |
| jklare | not sure about that | 16:15 |
| jklare | but well | 16:15 |
| sc` | even the complainers are better than nothing at all | 16:15 |
| jklare | how about trying to put some basic presentation together, that all of us can use and present whenever possible | 16:15 |
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| jklare | i was thinking about giving one in some user groups | 16:16 |
| jklare | like the openstack one | 16:16 |
| jklare | and the chef one | 16:16 |
| sc` | that might be a good thing to do. get some meatspace involvement in our local user groups | 16:16 |
| jklare | and the devops one | 16:16 |
| jklare | so like a short presentation on how cool it is to deploy a aio_neutron with our cookbooks | 16:16 |
| sc` | it's extremely inconvenient for me to attend meetups in my local area, but i can try to carve out some time to put on the sales hat | 16:17 |
| sc` | aio_neutron is a quick enough thing where one can kick off the build at the beginning of a presentation and end with showing off horizon or nova boot | 16:18 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:18 |
| jklare | exactly | 16:18 |
| j^2 | nice | 16:18 |
| j^2 | yeah like what i did i the model-t presenation? but positive not the "OH SHIT" converstation | 16:19 |
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| jklare | i am very short on time right now, but i guess i can try to put up some slides in the next weeks whenever i have some minutes | 16:21 |
| j^2 | to quote sc` "tis the season" | 16:21 |
| sc` | :D | 16:21 |
| sc` | i like where things are going | 16:21 |
| jklare | you do? | 16:21 |
| sc` | we need to do the sales-y thing to get active contributors | 16:22 |
| j^2 | any free cycles are going to be decicated to what i wanted to talk about here actually | 16:22 |
| j^2 | it seems i've been nominated to be on the ballot for OpenStack Board of Directors | 16:22 |
| j^2 | i actually have a real shot at it | 16:23 |
| sc` | do you have enough nominations? | 16:23 |
| j^2 | yep | 16:23 |
| j^2 | and more so | 16:23 |
| sc` | nice :D | 16:23 |
| j^2 | i've had people come to me and say they wanted to nominate me but couldn't | 16:23 |
| j^2 | people i don't even know | 16:24 |
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| sc` | wow. really cool | 16:24 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:24 |
| jklare | sounds great | 16:25 |
| j^2 | can i ask yall to look something over for me? | 16:25 |
| sc` | sure | 16:26 |
| jklare | ? | 16:26 |
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| j^2 | nice, i have a doc, for my "answers for the ballot" I'll add you to a repo and post it there. Would you mind putting PRs against it for anything ranging from horrible grammar to odd wording? | 16:28 |
| jklare | i will try to take a look at it | 16:28 |
| j^2 | rock on thanks guys | 16:29 |
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| j^2 | oh and i havent moved on the dnaas cookbook | 16:31 |
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| j^2 | the meeting was canceled last week | 16:31 |
| j^2 | so i'll be there this week talkiing about what we're doing with it | 16:32 |
| jklare | cool | 16:32 |
| sc` | awesome | 16:32 |
| jklare | maybe some of the guys from the project are interested in helping | 16:32 |
| j^2 | hopefully i'll have it "production ready changes" to it then from there docs then i'll ask yall to try it then we can get it in our namespace | 16:32 |
| j^2 | jklare: that's the idea | 16:32 |
| j^2 | right now their "dev environment" takes...30-40-60?ish mins to set up | 16:33 |
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| j^2 | with this cookbook less then 10 with a chef exec kitchen verify | 16:33 |
| j^2 | and you validate that it's up with serverspec | 16:33 |
| j^2 | that's pretty sweet you have to admit | 16:33 |
| jklare | it is | 16:34 |
| sc` | that'd great stuff j^2 | 16:34 |
| sc` | that's | 16:34 |
| j^2 | it's not converging since the last time i worked on it...but still; i have it in my sights. I just need cycles | 16:34 |
| sc` | as we all do. you should probably focus on getting better :p | 16:35 |
| j^2 | sc`: ha! | 16:35 |
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| jklare | #topic refactoring | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refactoring (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:38 | |
| jklare | no much new here | 16:38 |
| jklare | we made some progress | 16:38 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:38 |
| jklare | and i started the refactoring of the common cookbook and the libraries in it | 16:38 |
| jklare | its horrible | 16:38 |
| jklare | but well | 16:38 |
| j^2 | yeah the theory of common is amazing. but the implimenation has been...horrendus | 16:39 |
| jklare | ^^ | 16:39 |
| sc` | common == there be dragons | 16:39 |
| jklare | :) | 16:40 |
| jklare | any thoughts about moving all the endpoint attributes from common to the corresponding cookbooks? | 16:41 |
| jklare | i started that for identity | 16:41 |
| j^2 | that seems logical to have them in their cookbooks, you may not need an endpoint created and if you call the common cookbook you might have it created | 16:42 |
| j^2 | right? | 16:42 |
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| sc` | makes sense to move them to their own corresponding cookbooks and out of common | 16:42 |
| j^2 | sc`: exactly | 16:43 |
| jklare | it makes the handling much easier | 16:43 |
| jklare | and the dependencies less confusing | 16:44 |
| jklare | maybe we can reduce the common cookbook to just a library one | 16:44 |
| j^2 | that'll be awesome | 16:44 |
| sc` | yup. easier to trace when things go wrong too | 16:44 |
| jklare | ^^ | 16:45 |
| jklare | i do not have any other topics for today | 16:46 |
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| jklare | anything from you guys? | 16:46 |
| sc` | i'm good | 16:46 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:46 |
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| jklare | ok | 16:48 |
| jklare | thanks for attending and see your around | 16:48 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 30 16:49:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-30-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-30-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-30-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 17:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | hello everyone! | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | good morning | 17:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda can be found on the wiki page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| yuriyz|2 | o/ | 17:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | today is a bit light, but I'll start with the announcements | 17:01 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
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| devananda | also - for those who were out last week, welcome back from thanksgiving holiday :) | 17:02 |
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| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | jroll is out pretty much all week | 17:02 |
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| devananda | he's asked me to handle the M1 milestone and release, which I'll be doing by Thursday | 17:02 |
| jroll | hi, I'm sort-of-not-really-here for a few :) | 17:03 |
| devananda | so let's focus on stability this week -- fixing bugs and not landing any half-baked or risky features | 17:03 |
| devananda | jroll: ohhai! | 17:03 |
| devananda | #chair jroll | 17:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: devananda jroll | 17:03 |
| jroll | thanks for running things :D | 17:03 |
| devananda | second announcement is that we've moved away from launchpad for release notes generation, and are already using the new Reno project | 17:04 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:04 |
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| jroll | (still need to move to reno for IPA, and ironicclient) | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, not for ironicclient yet, right? | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | yeah, and ironic-lib :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | ^^ | 17:05 |
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| devananda | yep | 17:05 |
| devananda | jroll: we're not planning a release of IPA or ironicclient this week though, correct? | 17:05 |
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| rloo | we probably should move to reno for all -- volunteers? :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | devananda: correct | 17:05 |
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| devananda | tldr; when you write a patch (or review a patch) that completes a feature, bug fix, or impacts anyone running ironic, please make sure it includes a release note update. | 17:06 |
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| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:07 |
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| devananda | I'll give everyone a few minutes to look over the whiteboard ... :) | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#creating-new-release-notes | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | just fyi | 17:07 |
| rloo | is IPA a subteam report any more? Wondering if we should remove it | 17:07 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ty | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | o/ sorry I'm late | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | rloo, IPA is everyone now ;) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | yeah, ++ for removing | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, i was wondering what would go there, but we have IPA like we have ironic-inspector so I guess yes, it should stay in. | 17:08 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, inspector is much more independent | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | IPA now is even more important than ironicclient now | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ++ for importance of IPA! | 17:09 |
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| rloo | the multiple compute hosts work is dependent on the node filter api/claims work, right? | 17:10 |
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| devananda | rloo: yah | 17:11 |
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| rloo | wrt the spec for node filter API..., are there any major blockers? | 17:11 |
| devananda | we've discussed doing an API-only POC for the claims/filtering, so that the nova driver work can start in earnest | 17:11 |
| devananda | but the API itself is blocked in discussions in the spec | 17:11 |
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| devananda | I'll try to spend some time this week with penick to resolve his concerns | 17:12 |
| rloo | devananda: ok thx. | 17:12 |
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| rloo | ilo has 3rd party CI? Anyone know the status of that? | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | there is a post on the ML, they just introduced it | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | last I heard they were working on getting external networkaccess | 17:13 |
| devananda | dtantsur: with a release coming later this week, I see you've noted a few bugs that should be prioritized | 17:13 |
| sambetts | it also got added as non-voting initally and was blocking the gate earlier today I believe | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: I can follow up on that | 17:14 |
| sambetts | I think jroll fixed it | 17:14 |
| jroll | right - fyi, they aren't supposed to be announcing those on the dev list, if someone told them to do that please don't in the future :) | 17:14 |
| jroll | re ilo ^ | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | ilo announcement: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080806.html | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: what are they supposed to do? | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | devananda, yeah, at least worth taking a look. one of them is the reason of big rant among tripleo folks :) | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | jroll, why? | 17:14 |
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| devananda | sambetts: you mean ilo 3rd party ci was blocking the gate, or something else was? | 17:15 |
| jroll | dtantsur: rloo: I'm not sure, but the instructions are in third party CI docs... anteaya is replying to that mail about it | 17:15 |
| sambetts | devananda: yes | 17:15 |
| sambetts | the ilo ci | 17:15 |
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| devananda | sambetts: :-/ | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: if anteaya is replying, she'll set us all straight :) | 17:15 |
| jroll | yep :D | 17:16 |
| anteaya | how was a ci system blocking the gate? | 17:16 |
| anteaya | ci systems vote verified on a patch at best | 17:16 |
| jroll | sambetts: devananda: I don't believe ilo ci was ever blocking the gate | 17:16 |
| jroll | think that was a false alarm | 17:16 |
| anteaya | that does not block the gate | 17:16 |
| jroll | it *looks* to be voting but does not block | 17:16 |
| * dtantsur asks | 17:16 | |
| devananda | jroll: ok, that's what I would expect | 17:16 |
| sambetts | ooo thats good then, sorry for the noise | 17:16 |
| anteaya | even a ci system voting -1 verified on a patch does not block the gate | 17:16 |
| devananda | I'm looking at a recent run right now and it seems fine | 17:16 |
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| rloo | yeah, I think it was a false alarm (that the 3rd party CI was affecting the gate) | 17:17 |
| jroll | ya | 17:17 |
| anteaya | reviewers are free to disregard any third party ci results when they review | 17:17 |
| jroll | ilo CI suddenly appearing makes me so happy \o/ | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:17 |
| devananda | indeed! | 17:17 |
| rloo | anteaya: but jroll sez that 3rd party CIs shouldn't be announced on dev list? | 17:17 |
| sambetts | Yup :D | 17:17 |
| anteaya | correct | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | anteaya, +1 to question, I've repeated it on the ML | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | where should I get such announcements? | 17:18 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080808.html | 17:18 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:18 |
| sambetts | the ironic QA subteam/meeting has an etherpad here for status updates so that we can discuss them in the Ironic QA meeting on Wednesday's at 5 UTC | 17:18 |
| sambetts | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:18 |
| anteaya | if you feel the need to have announcements you may announce in the ironic meeting | 17:18 |
| anteaya | most projects get tired of that fairly quickly but suit yourselves | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | anteaya, these links do not seem to answer our question.. | 17:19 |
| rloo | anteaya: but I think it is fine to announce them in [ironic] | 17:19 |
| rloo | anteaya: as well as doing all that other stuff you have pointed out :) | 17:19 |
| anteaya | rloo: in the channel fine, please not on the mailing list | 17:19 |
| * dtantsur disagrees | 17:19 | |
| devananda | I think it is reasonable for each driver team, if they want to announce it in the meeting, to do so on the whiteboard section for their driver. we'll all see that in the weekly meeting | 17:19 |
| devananda | but it will avoid spamming the whole openstack list | 17:20 |
| anteaya | devananda: +1 | 17:20 |
| jroll | I agree there's no need on the ML | 17:20 |
| jroll | I'm going to go continue my vacation, have a good week y'all and thanks for running things devananda :) | 17:20 |
| devananda | anyway, we can discuss that further at another time. let's move on with the meeting | 17:20 |
| devananda | jroll: np! enjoy your vacation :) | 17:20 |
| devananda | #topic stuck specs | 17:20 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224022/ | 17:21 |
| devananda | rloo added this to the agenda | 17:21 |
| devananda | I gave it a review just before the meeting | 17:21 |
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| rloo | devananda: i think yuiko wants an API that will tell them, for a particular node, what actions they can do next | 17:22 |
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| devananda | yuikotak_: around? | 17:23 |
| rloo | devananda: cuz it looks like they want to present some sort of GUI | 17:23 |
| yuikotak_ | devananda, yes | 17:23 |
| devananda | krotscheck: also, I think you had an interest in this work as it relates to building a UI | 17:23 |
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| devananda | rloo: that could be done muchmore efficiently by requesting the full set of states+verbs | 17:23 |
| rloo | devananda: well, someone could write something to get the full set of states/verbs, and get the list of nodes-with-provision-states, then write the mapping between the two. | 17:24 |
| devananda | fetching that data and dispaying the relevant item for each node in the client UI is much more efficient than fetching it for every node in a given display | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: right | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda: or should we provide the mapping? | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda: i have no idea whether this is something that lots of folks want or not. | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda: my objection was to adding node.allowed_transitions :) | 17:25 |
| devananda | the mapping may change in different versions of the server, so, yes, the server should expose the mapping | 17:25 |
| devananda | rloo: I agree with your objection, fwiw | 17:25 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, then we're good for that part. I guess yuikotak_ and others will have to convince devananda for some endpoint to show the allowed transitions for a particular node. | 17:26 |
| rloo | devananda: or did you mean it would be OK to have an endpoint to show the info for a particular node, vs an endpoint to show the possible states/transitions in the FSM? | 17:27 |
| devananda | rloo, yuikotak_: as I understand the problem statement, there are two situations where this info is needed | 17:27 |
| devananda | * client requested a state change, got an error, and wants to know what is allowed next | 17:27 |
| devananda | * client wants to display the potential actions for a lot of nodes without having to request an action first | 17:28 |
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| devananda | #1 is fixed by simply having better error messages. #2 would be fixed by adding a new general endpoint that returns the state machine as a dict | 17:28 |
| devananda | does that work? | 17:29 |
| yuikotak_ | devananda, yes, exactly. thanks. | 17:29 |
| devananda | great :) | 17:29 |
| rloo | thx yuikotak_, glad that handles your problem! | 17:30 |
| rloo | thx devananda too :) | 17:30 |
| yuikotak_ | rloo, thanks :) | 17:30 |
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| devananda | last week was somewhat light, so that's it for the agenda today. | 17:31 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:31 |
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| devananda | anyone have stuff to discuss? :) | 17:31 |
| vdrok | I've had a question about adding new service under ironic umbrella, and would like to hear your thoughts about it :) | 17:32 |
| vdrok | We're considering adding new hardware compositor service under ironic umbrella | 17:32 |
| devananda | vdrok: great - tell me about this service pls | 17:32 |
| vdrok | There is this thing called intel racj scale architecture - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/rack-scale-architecture/intel-rack-scale-architecture-resources.html | 17:32 |
| vdrok | Which supports creating servers on demand, based on redfish, e.g. you can post a request with some hw requirements and it will create this "node" if possible, and return the link to it | 17:32 |
| vdrok | maybe there are similar things from other vendors | 17:33 |
| vdrok | The current idea is that nova will use it to compose new nodes if there are no bm servers available and then register them in ironic | 17:33 |
| vdrok | ironic may use it too, e.g. free the resources on node-deletion | 17:34 |
| vdrok | so the idea is to have some generic api that will be able to work with intel rsa and other alike services | 17:34 |
| devananda | vdrok: it sounds sort of like a new driver that, when a node is enrolled, actually does some interaction with the rack to "create" the hardware | 17:35 |
| devananda | or s/create/compose/ | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | why wouldn't that be a redfish driver for ironic, what is extra | 17:35 |
| devananda | vdrok: fwiw, there are several folks (myself included) interested in creating a generic redfish driver | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:36 |
| devananda | bcornec and I started hacking on a python redfish client about a year ago | 17:36 |
| sambetts | I think this is more similar to something I'd like to see which is letting flavors decide the hardware not the other way around | 17:36 |
| vdrok | yeah, but the idea is that nova can create it too, if e.g. no machines match the flavor | 17:36 |
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| devananda | perhaps its time to get more folks working on that | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | by the way, enrolling hooks is something that people definitely want | 17:36 |
| devananda | sambetts: right | 17:36 |
| devananda | anyone from the oneview team here? | 17:37 |
| sambetts | it doesn't look like it but we talks about that at the summit because that was something they are looking out for | 17:37 |
| devananda | I think they were talking about something similar at one point, where the nova flavor is used to inform or customize the hardware | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I would also toss out there the ablity to create a "active" node | 17:37 |
| vdrok | this is all just an idea for now, what is a preferred way to gather feedback, as in meeting seems to be too short on time? | 17:38 |
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| vdrok | should it be a spec that describes everything in detail> | 17:38 |
| devananda | vdrok: yea, meeting is a good way to bring it up and raise the topic, but we should follow it up in long-form on the ML | 17:38 |
| vdrok | or blueprint, or ml post? | 17:38 |
| sambetts | I was actually thinking that the claims API might be a good place to put the logic for something like this, because we'd be injesting the whole flavor | 17:38 |
| devananda | vdrok: if you have a design in mind, a spec is a good idea. but if you're still gathering ideas (wnat to see what other vendors need) then the ML is a good next step | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | vdrok, I am wondering why nova would be handling BM directly at all when that is what ironic is for | 17:39 |
| * krtaylor is curious, learning | 17:40 | |
| vdrok | krtaylor, well, this is not a "hardware" when nova does the request to it | 17:40 |
| devananda | krtaylor: nova holds the concept of a flavor. the ironic virt driver could determine that a request came in but doesn't match any existing hardware, and then go "compose" that hardware and enroll it in Ironic | 17:40 |
| devananda | krtaylor: at least that is what I htink folks are suggesting | 17:40 |
| vdrok | devananda, yep :) | 17:40 |
| sambetts | :) | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | ah, ok, interesting, thanks for the clarification | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | devananda, that would make nova aware of our drivers, right? | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: good point .... | 17:41 |
| sambetts | not if it was through the claims API ;) | 17:41 |
| rloo | although the nova-ironic driver would have to get that new composed node into 'available' state to be able to use it right away. | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if it were a new interface or service, then no? | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, or just internal part of claims API? | 17:41 |
| devananda | rloo: right. and it may take some time for the hardware to become available, so such a request may be much slower ... | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | I see value in not sharing too many details with nova | 17:42 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:42 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: I'm trying to imagine how this fits in the claim API and struggling, perhaps because that API isn't well defined yet | 17:42 |
| devananda | the claims API that I proposed at least, is essentially just a search API with an extra field saying "reserve N of these if you find them" | 17:43 |
| devananda | but it could express non-equality as well | 17:43 |
| devananda | so it isn't a good fit for "make me a server with X, Y, Z" | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | good point about non-equality, yeah | 17:43 |
| devananda | it seems like a closer fit to the enroll->manageable transition | 17:44 |
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| devananda | could reach out and "create" the hardware according to the specifications, as long as the mgmt info is good | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | mmmmm, right | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | yeah, so we can enroll virtual (wannabe) nodes | 17:44 |
| sambetts | but then thats not being driven by the nova/flavor right? | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | and them materialize them | 17:44 |
| devananda | vdrok: so, I do think there are other vendors interested in this | 17:44 |
| devananda | sambetts: not right now, but it could be | 17:45 |
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| devananda | SoftLayer folks demo'd something similar in Tokyo | 17:45 |
| devananda | where a nova-scheduler plugin they wrote enrolled nodes in Ironic in order to satisfy requests | 17:45 |
| devananda | it had nothing to do with composable hardware, but the effect (add a new server to ironic between "nova boot" and the virt driver taking over) was similar | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | I could see a case for this in both claim and enroll api, | 17:46 |
| sambetts | did it call out to a separate system to check for avalible resources? | 17:46 |
| devananda | sambetts: yah | 17:46 |
| sambetts | hmmm, thats cool /me adds postit note to go dig up that presentation | 17:47 |
| vdrok | so ok, will put something up in ml discussion till tomorrow, thanks :) | 17:47 |
| devananda | vdrok: thanks! good discussion | 17:48 |
| sambetts | vdrok: thanks for bring it up | 17:48 |
| devananda | any other topics folks want to discuss? | 17:49 |
| derekh | before the end I'd like to draw people attention the a mail I sent earlier today http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080796.html | 17:49 |
| derekh | essentially I'd like to turn tripleo ci back on for ironic, it would be great if ye could take a look at the mail and weigh in etc... | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | as this is my first meeting back I wanted to thank every one for the well wishes when I was out.. Thank you all :) | 17:50 |
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| rloo | derekh: i was just replying. i don't understand - would the tripleo be voting or non voting? | 17:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: welcome back :) | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:51 |
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| rloo | welcome back NobodyCam! | 17:51 |
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| derekh | rloo: it would be the exact same way as it used to be but I would aks you now to ignore the results when pressing approve | 17:52 |
| devananda | derekh: are changes in ironic causing frequent breakages in tripleo's gate? | 17:52 |
| derekh | *aks | 17:52 |
| derekh | *ask | 17:52 |
| rloo | derekh: you mean 'not ignore' :) | 17:52 |
| derekh | rloo: yup | 17:52 |
| derekh | devananda: not frequently, now that we are not currently running trunk its hard to know for sure | 17:53 |
| rloo | derekh: why not make it vote then? or do we want to try it as you suggest and see what happens? | 17:53 |
| devananda | derekh: running those jobs on ironic's gate cascadingly affects other projects' gate (nova, etc) as well | 17:53 |
| derekh | devananda: you wouldn't be running it in the gate, it would be a check job run when the patch is proposed | 17:54 |
| devananda | derekh: so any instability in any tripleo projects' gates will have a compounding effect on the merge queue, especially during release crunches | 17:54 |
| devananda | derekh: oh | 17:54 |
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| devananda | derekh: hm, ok. wdyt about adding it as a third-party system to ironic? that may be a terrible idea, just throwing it out there :) | 17:55 |
| derekh | devananda: this is the same thing ironic used to have | 17:55 |
| devananda | derekh: at one point, dib was voting in our gate IIRC | 17:55 |
| rloo | devananda: what does it matter if it is a 'third-party system' or not? | 17:55 |
| devananda | so that's what I thought you were suggesting at first | 17:55 |
| devananda | rloo: the way in which it gets reported. it affects jenkins | 17:56 |
| derekh | devananda: I don't think it can be a 3rd party system as its being run by infra, but its only a cosmetic thing | 17:56 |
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| derekh | devananda: you may have had some DIB job in your gate but it wasn't the tripleo job, tripleo jobs were never in the gate | 17:57 |
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| devananda | derekh: right | 17:57 |
| devananda | when I was active in tripleo, we had discussed with infra running those as third-party jobs. a lot has changed since then ... | 17:57 |
| devananda | in any case, a voting check job that fails will effectively prevent a patch from merging | 17:58 |
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| NobodyCam | *time* | 17:59 |
| devananda | rloo: whereas a third-party vote will not prevent a patch from merging | 17:59 |
| derekh | devananda: it doesn't and core can approve and ignore the result, all I would be asking is that you don't ignore the result unless you have a good reason not to | 17:59 |
| devananda | derekh: non-voting job seems fine to me, but I still think it would get more visibility as a third-party job | 18:00 |
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| devananda | anyhow, time.. | 18:00 |
| betherly | Thanks :) | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 30 18:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-30-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-30-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-30-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all good meeting | 18:00 |
| derekh | ok, thanks, gotta run, reply to email if there is more to discusse | 18:00 |
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