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| shaohe_feng | paul-carlton1: ping | 13:52 |
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| paul-carlton1 | hi | 13:53 |
| shaohe_feng | paul-carlton1: thank you for review. | 13:53 |
| shaohe_feng | paul-carlton1: and update it again. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248472/ | 13:53 |
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| paul-carlton1 | +1'ed it | 13:55 |
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| tdurakov | hi | 13:56 |
| shaohe_feng | paul-carlton1: thank you》 | 13:57 |
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| eliqiao | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao: you raise hand too early :) | 14:01 |
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| eliqiao | really? alex_xu | 14:01 |
| eliqiao | 22:01 my time now. | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao: I based on whether the meeting started | 14:02 |
| eliqiao | alex_xu: oh, thanks, I thought I was late | 14:02 |
| * davidgiluk guesses a lot of people are still trying to connect | 14:02 | |
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| andrearosa | hi all, PaulMurray is coming | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 14:02 |
| eliqiao | PaulMurray: hi | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | sorry | 14:02 |
| andrearosa | :) | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nove Live Migration | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 14:03:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | o/ | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nove Live Migration)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nove_live_migration' | 14:03 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 14:03 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:03 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 14:03 |
| paul-carlton1 | o/ | 14:03 |
| alex_xu | \o/ | 14:03 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:03 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:03 |
| eliqiao | 0/ | 14:03 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: typo in meeting name. Don't know if that will confound anything. | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | it will - i'll change that | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 14:04:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nove_live_migration/2015/nove_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.03.html | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nove_live_migration/2015/nove_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.03.txt | 14:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nove_live_migration/2015/nove_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.03.log.html | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | it does cause issues with the bot, its worth a restart | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 14:04:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| jlanoux | good meeting :) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:04 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:04 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 14:04 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 14:04 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:04 |
| paul-carlton1 | o/ | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | again?) | 14:04 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | ok - sorry, got distracted for a moment | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | hi everyone | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | as usual the agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:05 |
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| shaohe_feng | hi PaulMurray | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | We need specs in this week I think so lets spend some time on that | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs Status | 14:06 |
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| paul-carlton1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228828 is updated following API meeting, +1's pls | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | Thanks you paul-carlton1 is there anything to add | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | so i will update pause spec to make it consistent | 14:07 |
| eliqiao | sure and this one #link https://review.openstack.org/248472 | 14:07 |
| paul-carlton1 | nope, hopefully this will be ok with all | 14:07 |
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| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ - need more time for this | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | is it possible to get freeze-exception | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | ? | 14:08 |
| paul-carlton1 | pkoniszewski, do we need to address the name of the command and POST body | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | #info The cancel migration spec was discussed in the Nova API meeting and agreed to use the migration sub-resource - pause sepc to be made consistent | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, we'll come to that one | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I wouldn't bet on getting an exception, they are... exceptional | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | paul-carlton1: ok, i will update everything needed | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, the API meeting was productive, seem to have reached consensus on the API format | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, ok, will update it now | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | I saw it only list live-migration migration, I saw it should list all migrations. But I didn't remember we nail down that in the api meeting... | 14:09 |
| paul-carlton1 | johnthetubaguy, so all specs need to be approved by Thursday? | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | could we align things about this refactoring? | 14:09 |
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| paul-carlton1 | Yep, it lists them all now | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | paul-carlton1: ok, cool, will re-read your spec again | 14:10 |
| shaohe_feng | alex_xu: yes. only list now. | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton1: ideally, yes | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | one more note, we should return 400 if the migration didn't support cancel | 14:11 |
| paul-carlton1 | we can't ,we won't know till it gets to driver | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | alex_xu: this is async, can we do that? | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | paul-carlton1: I mean for cancel cold-migration and resize | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: I think you can for resizes you can't cancel, there are a few (will leave others to decide between conflict and bad request). | 14:12 |
| paul-carlton1 | The DELETE /server/id/migrstion/id will return 202 if the instance and active migration are present | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | got it | 14:13 |
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| paul-carlton1 | Then if it turns out it can't be done an instance action us created to report htis | 14:13 |
| paul-carlton1 | this | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | true, that is a problem. | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, always need an instance action for the API call, but yeah, that can report the failure | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: oh, so this still a instance action? | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton1 | alex_xu, No reason why a cold migration or resize could not be cancelled in the future but we don't have the technology to do it today | 14:15 |
| alex_xu | paul-carlton1: yes, but for now, we should tell user the cold migration and resize can't be cancelled | 14:15 |
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| paul-carlton1 | so you can try to cancel anything, all the API call will do is check the migration is running | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I think so, maybe thats where it gets sketchy? | 14:16 |
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| PaulMurray | does the migration record what sort of action initiated it? | 14:16 |
| paul-carlton1 | alex_xu, so you want a specific error response for those types of migration for now? | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, yes | 14:16 |
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| tdurakov | there is a type for migration | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: at least that is only way to report the virt driver didn't implement that action | 14:17 |
| mdbooth | Incidentally, note that there is no constraint that there is only a single migration per instance | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | paul-carlton1: that is part of API contract, I prefer 400 | 14:17 |
| eliqiao | alex_xu: hard code them in rpc_api? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: right, its the best way I know | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao: yes | 14:18 |
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| alex_xu | eliqiao: but it isn't in rpc_api | 14:18 |
| eliqiao | alex_xu: so where? | 14:18 |
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| eliqiao | alex_xu: compute_api/ | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I thought there ways, via the task_state checking? | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao: yep | 14:18 |
| paul-carlton1 | alex_xu, happy to do so but I think resize can be cancelled, it is just a live migration | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s/there ways/there was/ | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | paul-carlton1, resize == cold migration not live | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: +1 | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | yea, resize == cold migration | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: If there is, it requires a ton of context and it would be hard to prove. | 14:20 |
| shaohe_feng | paul-carlton1: why the cold migration can not cancel？ the hypervisor does not support it? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a spec to do a live-resize, but thats a different story | 14:20 |
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| paul-carlton1 | I thought it was implemented as a live migration with different flavor? | 14:20 |
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| tdurakov | paul-carlton1, but it is still cold one | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | paul-carlton1: no, it's different | 14:20 |
| paul-carlton1 | is that spec approved for Mikata | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I mean there is a race there, but thats the check: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L3253 | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | shaohe_feng: that is future thing, we just say we didn't implement it yet | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Ah, migrations are created in several places. For example, evacuations. | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, cold migration is changing due to storage pools (hopefully) so best to deal with it later | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | at least in libvirt | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: ah, we are talking at cross purposes then | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | paul-carlton1: as far as i know it is not (hot resize) | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | paul-carlton1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hot-resize | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton1: the live-resize spec is not yet approved | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: No, I don't think so. | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | This is expanding beyond "cancel live migration" I would think it best to deal with live migration and then consider more later | 14:22 |
| paul-carlton1 | there can only be one migration of an instance active at any time, if not that is surely a bug? | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is, yes | 14:23 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: who's storage pools? libvirt? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is possible | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, yes | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton1: Yes, that's definitely a bug. | 14:23 |
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| paul-carlton1 | so we should fix that! Possibly something for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | lets leave that now - do we need to sort it out in this meeting or can you get something in the spec paul-carlton1 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton1: mdbooth: getting too distracted now, but you can create mutliple active ones (or used to be possible) when you reset state of VMs after killing nova-computes half way through a resize, I suspect there are still holes in there... but we should get back to the specs | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets be clear | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | the spec needs to agree the direction | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't need to be a detailed implementation plan | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | it should define the user experience, from an API point of view, where possible, but we can revise that, if it turns out we made bad assumptions | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we should move forward... | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | ok - next | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | is | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245543/ | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | Making the live-migration API friendly | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | alex_xu, where are you with this? | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | thre is a +1 from mikal | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | i updated some implement detail last week | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | sorry +2 from mikal | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | just needs reviews? | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | yea, I think so | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | and a failing test | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | I didn't any concern for now | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | It's going to lose that +2 when the line limit is fixed, though :/ | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth, i'm not sure it critical | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | ah, yea, really didn't want to lose +2 at this moment | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | I'm sure it will come back - just tell mikal | 14:29 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: It's a bot. The bot doesn't care. | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | alex_xu, if you update it latter you could lose both +2 | 14:29 |
| alex_xu | PaulMurray: ok, let me fix it | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | no? | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | lets move on | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | having a +2 previously is a good excuse to an exception, just do the right thing | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | Split different live-migration types in nova | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | need to get agreement for approach? | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, this had no update for a month | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, yep, because i worked on ci task | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov, I will be honest, I am not sure I understand where this is going right now, or what the aim is here | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | well, there are 2 approaches | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels a bit libvirt specific right now | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | need to pick one: tasks or just method split for that | 14:31 |
| tdurakov | what is more preferable? | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my preference is to correctly report what is happening via instance actions, as a starting point. | 14:33 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, during this spec? | 14:34 |
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| PaulMurray | I'm not entirely sure how this fits with all the other work at the moment | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I was really speaking generally there I guess | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | I see this cycle as: fix bugs + add necessary features | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, there is concern for this | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | Maybe some refactoring is necessary in that - but I don't see it as an objective in itself | 14:36 |
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| * mdbooth would like to talk about shared storage detection and the libvirt storage pools spec if there's time, btw | 14:36 | |
| paul-carlton1 | tdurakov, looks like an attempt to do some much needed re-factoring that aligns thinks for Task API | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | So can you motivate why it should be done now | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | new features could make things harder to maintain | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | +1 | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | in terms of refactoring the libvirt drivers live-migrate code, yeah, that probably makes sense, the storage pools work might be the tipping point there | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was seeing this as changing the virt driver layer, and I can see that causing big problems in other drivers | 14:38 |
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| mdbooth | image cache + image handling + shared storage + migration (cold + live) are currently an incredibly tightly coupled mountain of technical debt. | 14:38 |
| tdurakov | my point here to make some orchestration for live migration, and split all of this by underlying storage type | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I think thats doing too much at once | 14:39 |
| tdurakov | we could move it out of scope, but adding new features could increase technical debt on this | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: so this feels like it needs in person high bandwidth discussion to resolve | 14:40 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, agree | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, I am not against this - I just | 14:40 |
| eliqiao | how about do the refactor one method one time? | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | want to see very focused work | 14:41 |
| eliqiao | at least I don't like resize() in compute api. | 14:41 |
| eliqiao | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2594 | 14:41 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: The problem with that focus is tight coupling. | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, well, so whats the plan for this then? | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, when we add features, like storage pools, we need to look at refactoring to keep the code maintained properly, if we end up splitting that out to a separate blueprint thats fine, but lets not get too bogged down | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, I agree. | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | e.g. It's going to be very hard to tightly focus the libvirt storage pools plan, when other modules assume not only a filesystem, but the specific layout. | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: we don't have any kind of consensus on the orchestration piece, for me the task focus has moved towards error reporting, and applying instance actions consistently, based on the summit discussion, although not sure I have seen those specs yet :( | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, ok, what about cleaning compute code without bp at all, as we'll have full test suite for that? | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, is there a path for proposing cleanup work outside a spec? | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: possibly, but I think we should move on | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: mostly they are just patches with a developer raised bug attached, we sometimes use blueprints to track them | 14:44 |
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| PaulMurray | ok - time is very tight | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | I'd like eyes on this: | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248705/ | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | there were three more by shaohe_feng but I am not sure they are likely to make it? | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248358/4 | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248465 | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248472 | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | I'm not sure we have time to discuss each in any deailt | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | Specifically, I'm interested in comments on the proposal to detect shared storage by testing for the existence of the storage on the target. This would also be relevant for live migration. | 14:46 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: the last one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248472 are close to | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | report more live migration progress detail | 14:46 |
| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: +1, i'm currently trying to detect shared storage somehow for ephemerals, root disks etc. | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | shaohe_feng, I think we just continue to look for reviews on that then | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, the spec mdbooth listed is an update | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | pkoniszewski: I'm hoping that with well thought out storage pool operations, you can just test that it exists, and use it if it does. No heuristics required. | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, how does that sit with the spec freeze?> | 14:48 |
| shaohe_feng | PaulMurray: OK. These days, many reviews on it. | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I also haven't re-read the libvirt storage pools spec, but as I mentioned the other day, we can't completely move to libvirt storage pools | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can merge that one post freeze, its just tricky getting eyes on it. | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | That inevitably means a change to that spec. | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth, is it about file-based shared storage? | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: What is? | 14:49 |
| tdurakov | shared storage detection | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: No, it shouldn't be. The backend should be irrelevant. | 14:49 |
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| mdbooth | tdurakov: Although in practice it can't be lvm | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | So shared filesystem, and rbd right now | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | There are multiple races in rbd, btw | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | currently | 14:50 |
| paul-carlton1 | mdbooth, what about the ploop issue | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth, there is different ways for this right now, for nfs, there is temp file creation | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | for example | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | That's why we can't move exclusively to libvirt storage pools | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | We need a higher abstract. We'll use them for as much as possible, but not everything. Also, we need apis they don't currently provide, so even for libvirt storage pools we'll need per-backend extensions. | 14:51 |
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| tdurakov | last meeting johnthetubaguy said about spec for shared storage aggregates right now | 14:52 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: I'm talking about all the 'if is_shared_storage() all over the place' | 14:52 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth, do we really need such detection? | 14:52 |
| mdbooth | With my proposal that would go away, because you would know in advance what storage needs to be transferred. | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, so given johnthetubaguy's comment above, this one is not time critical (for freeze) so lets continue outside the meeting | 14:53 |
| paul-carlton1 | so it can't be default in Mitaka but we can implement it with caveats and work to address scenarios it can't support ? | 14:53 |
| shaohe_feng | tdurakov: I remember some issues about nfs for storage pool. nfs will block is something wrong with it. | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I might regret saying that, but anyways | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | :) | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | just quickly | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: I like the "does the correct thing at the correct time" part of that change | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI status | 14:53 |
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| tdurakov | shaohe_feng, mdbooth let's discuss it in openstack-nova | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | any update tdurakov | 14:53 |
| tdurakov | ci status: working on ceph right now, have some progress | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | ok - good - any help needed? | 14:54 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, nope, i think | 14:55 |
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| PaulMurray | let us know if you do | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | #topic open reviews | 14:55 |
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| PaulMurray | two I want to mention | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227278/ | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | This needs a trivial update and then it can probably merge | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | it has an approved follow on patch | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: it would be good to get something voting soon, if we have additional coverage, but lets catch up about that separatly | 14:56 |
| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: i'm actually working on it | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, great - saw your comment | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | this is a big win to get in early in the cycle | 14:56 |
| pkoniszewski | i have some concerns with NFS and shared devices | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | does it miss them | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | well - we can review | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | Another series: | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1417667,n,z | 14:57 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, feel free to 'check experimental' to trigger ci | 14:57 |
| tdurakov | nfs is already there | 14:58 |
| pkoniszewski | I'm not familiar with each nova option in nova.conf - can, for instance, ephemeral device be deployed on NFS and VM outside of this NFS? | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | This is ndipanov's | 14:58 |
| pkoniszewski | so we can still trigger block live migration but some devices are shared through NFS | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | it is a series of 6 patches waiting for review if anyone has time | 14:58 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, i'm not sure it's possible | 14:58 |
| alex_xu | PaulMurray: yea, that is important, we should have claim for live-migration | 14:58 |
| pkoniszewski | if it is not then im ready with my change, just need to update tests | 14:59 |
| paul-carlton1 | other the obvious idea of writing a file on node a then looking for it on node b? | 14:59 |
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| PaulMurray | we are right at the end now - need to vacate the channel | 14:59 |
| tdurakov | paul-carlton1, this check already in nova:) | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | sorry for the slightly late start | 14:59 |
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| PaulMurray | feel free to continue on the other side | 15:00 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks everyone! | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 15:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
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| alex_xu | thanks all! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2015/nova_live_migration.2015-12-01-14.04.log.html | 15:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 17:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:02 | |
| james_li | james li | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:02 |
| muralia | o/ | 17:02 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | morning james_li, muralia | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi ed | 17:02 |
| muralia | woohoo! good to see everyone. | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | yep!! :) | 17:03 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: are you in India now? | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yes | 17:03 |
| ashishjain | Ashish Jain | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | hi Ashish | 17:03 |
| ashishjain | Hi dev | 17:03 |
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| devkulkarni | I am in Pune, India till year end | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | will be back in Austin on Jan 4 | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | here is link to agenda for today's meeting | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-12-01_1700_UTC | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | notice that the agenda has lot of open reviews | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | here is link to agenda for today's meeting | 17:04 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: cool | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | good to see all of you cores around today | 17:04 |
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| devkulkarni | lets give another minute for folks to join | 17:05 |
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| devkulkarni | alright, lets proceed to the next topic | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:06 | |
| devkulkarni | As last time, I would like to mention that I am in India for December | 17:06 |
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| devkulkarni | I will be working next week and the week after that | 17:07 |
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| devkulkarni | I will be around for all of our meetings | 17:07 |
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| devkulkarni | unless we all decide to cancel the meeting on December 29th | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | what do you think about that? | 17:08 |
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| devkulkarni | I am fine either ways | 17:08 |
| datsun180b | I'll vote skip, but only because I know I'll be out of town | 17:08 |
| muralia | me too. im going to be out of town as well | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | james_li, ashishjain? | 17:09 |
| vijendar | +1 skip | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for the input | 17:09 |
| ashishjain | Should be okay dev to cancel it I also plan to go out | 17:09 |
| vijendar | hi devkulkarni | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. looks like we have a majority on cancelling the meeting on December 29th | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | lets do that. | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | #action devkulkarni to announce meeting cancellation of the meeting on December 29th | 17:10 |
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| devkulkarni | any other announcements? | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | will wait for 30 seconds before proceeding | 17:11 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: I am fine | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:12 | |
| devkulkarni | we have several patches for review today | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | please check them on this link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-12-01_1700_UTC | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | lets use this time to review these | 17:13 |
| ashishjain | To me the patch looks good-> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250015/ | 17:13 |
| ashishjain | Only thing is I have to apply once to my workspace and test it out. | 17:13 |
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| devkulkarni | ahishjain: cool | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | could you then give a +1 when you are done testing | 17:15 |
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| ashishjain | sure I will give it a try tonight. | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | we can arrange for another core to approve it once you have given your +1 | 17:15 |
| ashishjain | yeah | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: sounds good | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: could you take a look at the patches which are converting plans to apps | 17:16 |
| datsun180b | sure | 17:16 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | these patches are converting the test examples from the older plan model to the newer app model | 17:17 |
| ashishjain | okay | 17:18 |
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| devkulkarni | will open up for open discussion in about 10 minutes | 17:22 |
| datsun180b | what's the default run command for python lp apps? | 17:23 |
| datsun180b | ah, nevermind, that's for #solum not here | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: we can discuss it here | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | which particular example are you referring to? | 17:24 |
| datsun180b | looking at eric's appfile conversions | 17:25 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, let me check | 17:25 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: isn't in the new model we have 'languagepack' and not 'language_pack'? | 17:27 |
| datsun180b | can't rightly recall | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | ** checking in solum/examples/apps ** | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/examples/apps/cherrypy.yaml | 17:28 |
| datsun180b | well i know it's not languageopack | 17:28 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: true :) | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | I am adding few other comments | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: I have a slightly unrelated question.. | 17:31 |
| datsun180b | sure | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni | how did you change your email address to gmail address still keeping +2 privileges? | 17:31 |
| datsun180b | I had to ask infra for a favor | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | oh I see | 17:32 |
| datsun180b | There was a manual change to a database row. I think it's tied to your openID which is tied to your email IIRC | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | wow | 17:33 |
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| devkulkarni | I had to reset my OpenID password, but never received password recovery email on rax email address | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | so ended up creating a new account | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | I only have +1/-1 privileges on this account | 17:34 |
| ashishjain | done adding my review comments to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250015/ | 17:34 |
| datsun180b | That sounds like a matter with LP and not openstack, but I hope you can recover the account | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: cool | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: would you mind exercising your +2 rights on the above patch :) | 17:36 |
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| datsun180b | on 250015? | 17:37 |
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| devkulkarni | yep | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250015/ | 17:37 |
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| datsun180b | approved | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: awesome | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: thanks for submitting the patch to fix this issue | 17:38 |
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| devkulkarni | and thanks ashishjain for verifying it | 17:38 |
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| vijendar | :) | 17:39 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni :) | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni | opening up for open discussion | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| ashishjain | I have a question on integration of solum to kolla | 17:42 |
| ashishjain | is it ongoing? | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | ahishjain: we want to actually | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: do you have any experience with it? | 17:42 |
| ashishjain | actually I was looking at a very old discussion http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-01-06-21.00.log.html | 17:42 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: we are using it for openstack deployment | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | I see.. given your understanding of kolla and solum, how do you see the process of adding kolla support to solum? | 17:44 |
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| devkulkarni | what is required to do this? | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | my understanding was that, we need to create docker containers for solum services | 17:45 |
| ashishjain | I think we need to create docker containers for solum services | 17:45 |
| ashishjain | yes you are correct | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | probably one for rabbit and one for mysql | 17:45 |
| ashishjain | They already have a mysql container | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | how do we wire all these services? | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | oh nice | 17:46 |
| ashishjain | aah okay got it | 17:46 |
| ashishjain | Do you want a separate mysql or the one which comes with kolla(galera) should be fine? | 17:46 |
| ashishjain | rabbitmq is also already present I guess | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | I think the one which comes with kolla should be fine | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay | 17:47 |
| ashishjain | okay than we have these components | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | in that case we need to build Dockerfiles and containers for solum-api, solum-worker, solum-conductor, and solum-deployer | 17:47 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: let me get back with more findings on that | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | and probably a wrapper script to start all these and wire them together | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: cool, that would be nice | 17:48 |
| ashishjain | yes ansible scripts probably can be used to wire them | 17:48 |
| ashishjain | so for now since we do not have kolla integration with solum | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay. in fact, while writing above, I realized that solum's micro-service feature would need to do something very similar | 17:49 |
| ashishjain | how shall we proceed with solum installation on something which is based on kolla | 17:49 |
| ashishjain | Kolla uses haproxy and uses it to load balance say for example a multinode deployment | 17:49 |
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| ashishjain | where each node is running most of the services which needs to load balanced | 17:50 |
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| devkulkarni | ashishjain: sorry, not following what you mean.. | 17:51 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: sorry let me re-iterate | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 17:52 |
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| ashishjain | Openstack is installed as a multinode while using kolla | 17:53 |
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| devkulkarni | oh I see | 17:53 |
| ashishjain | where in you can configure most of the services to be run on more than one node in a active-active setup | 17:53 |
| ashishjain | for example neutron-server, keysytone etc | 17:53 |
| ashishjain | are being run on more than one node | 17:53 |
| ashishjain | This all is load balanced using ha proxy | 17:54 |
| ashishjain | Now comes the question | 17:54 |
| ashishjain | How can solum be deployed on multinode & be registered with load balancer. | 17:54 |
| ashishjain | I think this will be our approach - | 17:55 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: Here solum will not be deployed in docker container | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni | probably each solum service will need to be load balanced using ha-proxy | 17:56 |
| ashishjain | but as a standalone mode, that is for time being | 17:56 |
| ashishjain | till the containerization is completed | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni | by standalone mode, you mean running all the solum-services as we do currently | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni | without containerizing them | 17:57 |
| ashishjain | correct | 17:57 |
| ashishjain | so how do you integrate a container & non-container deployment on a multinode using haproxy | 17:58 |
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| ashishjain | where non-container deployment is for soum | 17:58 |
| ashishjain | solum & rest of the services are containerized | 17:58 |
| ashishjain | I think it should be seamless only hitch I see is probably adding it to haproxy load balancer | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | could neutron networking help? | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: agree | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | we are almost out of time | 17:59 |
| ashishjain | Once we are able to manually do so, I think containerization should not be tough | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, probably you are right | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni | alright, its top of the hour | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni | thanks all for joining the meeting today | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni | see you next week | 18:00 |
| ashishjain | devkulkarni: I got few more things to discuss with you will catch up with you in irc | 18:00 |
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| ashishjain | cya thanks | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni | ashishjain: sounds good | 18:00 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 18:00:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-12-01-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-12-01-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-12-01-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 19:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ but double booked | 19:01 |
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| terrylhowe | I’ve got nothing special, ksa integration seemed to work for me in the osc integration, so that is good | 19:02 |
| etoews | i've got nothing special either. need to look into doc publishing. then all of those reviews. | 19:02 |
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| etoews | that's pretty great about osc/ksa/sdk | 19:03 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: the 0.7.1 release includes ksa right? | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | yes | 19:04 |
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| etoews | k. that means it's a good time to revisit https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1515074 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1517573 | 19:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515074 in OpenStack SDK "Add support to stack update broke create server" [Undecided,New] | 19:05 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517573 in OpenStack SDK "Getting binary object contents is extremely slow" [Undecided,New] | 19:05 |
| etoews | i'll comment on them | 19:05 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: if there's nothing else from you or anyone else, i'll just go ahead and end the meeting here. | 19:06 |
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| terrylhowe | sounds good etoews | 19:07 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 19:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 19:07:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-12-01-19.01.html | 19:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-12-01-19.01.txt | 19:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-12-01-19.01.log.html | 19:07 |
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