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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 14:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hi! | 14:02 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:02 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:02 |
| elmiko | hi | 14:02 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
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| JaxonWang | hi | 14:02 |
| elmiko | ok then, let's get rolling | 14:03 |
| elmiko | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | the only news that sahara-dashboard is back, with devstack plugin. | 14:04 |
| elmiko | is it time to retire this topic yet? | 14:04 |
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| elmiko | maybe we should call this horizon@sahara now ;) | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | so I need to find some time to migrate all changes from horizon to sahara-dashboard | 14:04 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | I plan to start migrating some changes today or tomorrow. | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | nice | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | We still need to get some tests going there as well. | 14:05 |
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| elmiko | so what's been going on so far, i've seen some patches from david-lyle | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | crobertsrh, do you mean integration tests, right? | 14:06 |
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| crobertsrh | Yes. Also, I think the unit tests need to be running. | 14:06 |
| tosky | uh, good to know | 14:07 |
| crobertsrh | Hmm, maybe they are running. The output looks different than before though. | 14:08 |
| tosky | crobertsrh: link? Maybe after the meeting | 14:09 |
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| crobertsrh | http://logs.openstack.org/17/252017/4/check/gate-sahara-dashboard-python27/982dc6c/console.html#_2015-12-02_17_47_02_472 It does look like they are running. I just am so used to the other horizon tests running along that it looked funny to me. | 14:10 |
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| elmiko | anything else on this topic? | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | nothing from me | 14:11 |
| elmiko | moving along | 14:11 |
| elmiko | #topic News / updates | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:11 | |
| elmiko | so, what's everyone been working on? | 14:11 |
| tosky | crobertsrh: (sorry for going back to the previous topic) not integration, they are still in horizon | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | tosky: right | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | so, I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1486653, there are some changes that improves how we are working clients and trusts | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486653 in Sahara "Create big cluster failed because token expired" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Vitaly Gridnev (vgridnev) | 14:12 |
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| sreshetnyak | no updates from me | 14:12 |
| esikachev | working on spec (in next topic) | 14:13 |
| elmiko | i've got the first big piece of the improved secret store up, although it has some issues with the global requirements i could really use some reviews | 14:13 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220680/ | 14:13 |
| elmiko | and the apiv2 spec has been updated | 14:14 |
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| crobertsrh | I've been slightly derailed by a bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521266 It probably on affects people using pycharm or eclipse. | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521266 in Sahara "Debugging via pydev in PyCharm fails after change to use oslo.service" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Chad Roberts (croberts) | 14:15 |
| elmiko | any progress on that crobertsrh? (i know it's been a pain for more than a few days now) | 14:15 |
| crobertsrh | I have a patch up that is working for me. | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | ooh, nice! | 14:16 |
| crobertsrh | smacked by -1 this morning though | 14:16 |
| crobertsrh | so, back to the drawing board | 14:16 |
| elmiko | arg | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | m1 is coming | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252887/ | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | any other news to share? | 14:18 |
| crobertsrh | If you use the dashboard at all, be sure to adapt your setup to use the sahara-dashboard repo. | 14:19 |
| crobertsrh | Also, be sure to review the patches that land there, even if it's just from a functionality point of view. | 14:19 |
| JaxonWang | I'm working on cdh plugins refactoring https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252887/ but due to diffence between the v5 and other versions, i'm afraid come duplicated codes are not easily removed. | 14:20 |
| JaxonWang | some... | 14:21 |
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| elmiko | crobertsrh: has the sahara stuff been disabled in the horizon repo? | 14:21 |
| crobertsrh | good question, there was a patch that was up to do it...checking it now | 14:21 |
| crobertsrh | Not yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248838/ | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | ack, thanks. definitely something to watch, i know i'm gonna get bit by this ;) | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | ok, there were no action items from last week, so we'll move to the next topic | 14:23 |
| elmiko | #topic Discuss sahara scenario tests extraction (esikachev, vgridnev, SergeyLukjanov) | 14:23 |
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| elmiko | esikachev, vgridnev | 14:23 |
| esikachev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250419/ | 14:23 |
| elmiko | thanks | 14:23 |
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| esikachev | can you review this spec and let's disscus about this idea | 14:24 |
| elmiko | sure thing /me looks | 14:25 |
| esikachev | i propose move scenario tests to new repository and install as plugin (like tempest) | 14:25 |
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| vgridnev | Folks, please, I putted that to the agenda to mention that we need review for this spec to collect all feedback, and probably we should discuss that | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | not sure everyone are familiar with that, so I think that we need to discuss that one next meeting | 14:26 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: probabaly, but it's a short spec | 14:27 |
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| elmiko | i am curious why we need to move them into a separate repo? | 14:27 |
| crobertsrh | sounds like managing various releases is a motivation for that | 14:27 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, the general idea is to have ability of testing several stable branches with master of scenario tests | 14:28 |
| sreshetnyak | esikachev: as plugin for sahara? | 14:28 |
| tosky | I think we already discussed this many times :) | 14:28 |
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| elmiko | tosky: ack, are we just rehashing old discussions? | 14:29 |
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| tosky | so fine with the idea, I think that the spec needs to define the details but I need to reread it, I've seen only the first update and I missed the new version of the spec | 14:30 |
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| esikachev | sreshetnyak: maybe, i want to discuss it | 14:30 |
| tosky | it looks more complete now | 14:30 |
| elmiko | esikachev: i think the spec could use a more concrete example of how this would work | 14:30 |
| tosky | but there is one thing it seems to not clear | 14:30 |
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| tosky | right now tempest, the other big example of branchless repository, increases the requirements following global requirements, if I'm not mistaken | 14:31 |
| tosky | but this means that it's complicated, after few months, to run tempest master on an older (supported) openstack without using many updated python components from pip | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | tosky, what about virtual env? | 14:32 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: pip in virtualenv, but still you can't test with the packaged version you have around | 14:32 |
| elmiko | almost sounds like each plugin would need its own requirements.txt | 14:32 |
| tosky | elmiko: that's about the test runner itself | 14:33 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 14:33 |
| tosky | so the question is: can we decide to keep the dependencies to the oldest supported branch instead? | 14:33 |
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| elmiko | i'm not sure how that would interact with the global-requirements | 14:35 |
| tosky | good point, I have no idea how it works in that regard | 14:35 |
| elmiko | also, this spec may be of interest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 14:36 |
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| elmiko | it's about backward compatability and testing all supported branches | 14:36 |
| sreshetnyak | tosky: need to check that all packages from test-requirements we can install from operation system repository | 14:36 |
| elmiko | does tempest have the ability to run each test(plugin?) with its own set of reqs? | 14:36 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: that could be tough | 14:37 |
| tosky | elmiko: as I read the spec, it's just move the tests to a separate repository, for all supported versions | 14:38 |
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| tosky | sreshetnyak: well, for example in RDO all requirements are packaged; not all _test_ requirements are packaged, even if the idea on the long term is to have them packaged | 14:38 |
| tosky | instead of using pip | 14:38 |
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| elmiko | so, it sounds like we should add some of these comments to the review | 14:39 |
| elmiko | esikachev, vgridnev, are there some specific points you wanted to discuss about the spec? | 14:40 |
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| tosky | to summarize my scenario, let's say this: suppose that Mitaka is out and I can run the tests using only packaged dependencies for RDO/MOS/whatever other packaging system | 14:40 |
| tosky | I'd like to continue to use the same dependencies, but a more updated set of tests, even during the lifetime of Mitaka; so without the need of new base dependencies (without pip and virtualenv) | 14:40 |
| tosky | that's the thing I'm asking, if it is possible | 14:41 |
| esikachev | Write a comment and discuss at the next meeting again | 14:41 |
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| elmiko | tosky: good question | 14:41 |
| tosky | sure! | 14:41 |
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| elmiko | anything else on this one? | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | so let's move on, I think, waiting for comments on review | 14:42 |
| sreshetnyak | tosky: it's good, but we don't support new features in tests for stable releases | 14:42 |
| elmiko | #topic API v2 progress | 14:43 |
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| elmiko | the main spec has been updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212172/ | 14:43 |
| elmiko | and i am starting to refactor the wiki page to help organize the work #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:44 |
| elmiko | not much to discuss yet, but i could use more reviews on the spec, and we need to collect all the ideas for the first version of the v2 api | 14:44 |
| elmiko | any questions? | 14:44 |
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| vgridnev | yeah, I started reading of that, now at middle. no questions right now | 14:44 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 14:45 |
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| elmiko | #topic New CLI | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New CLI (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:46 | |
| elmiko | not sure who added this one | 14:46 |
| vgridnev | AndreyPavlov, ? | 14:46 |
| elmiko | is this about moving to the openstackclient? | 14:46 |
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| AndreyPavlov | nope, i didn't add this) there is nothing much to say - new CLI is ready to use | 14:47 |
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| vgridnev | magic | 14:48 |
| NikitaKonovalov | great to hear that | 14:48 |
| elmiko | hehe, maybe it was SergeyLukjanov | 14:48 |
| elmiko | so, the agenda talks about the process around the new cli. have those questions been answered? | 14:49 |
| AndreyPavlov | if you have any suggestions on its improvement feel free to ping me | 14:49 |
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| elmiko | how to verify, replacing the old one, when to deprecate... | 14:49 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, old one already deprecated | 14:50 |
| AndreyPavlov | it's already printing a warning about deprecation | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | not sure when it's supposed to be removed | 14:50 |
| elmiko | i would guess sometime next cycle | 14:50 |
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| elmiko | (or maybe later if keystone is any indication) | 14:50 |
| elmiko | it sounds like the questions on the agenda have already been answered then? | 14:51 |
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| AndreyPavlov | don't know when we need to remove it completely, but it's mentioned that the old one will not be updated anymore | 14:51 |
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| elmiko | sounds good | 14:52 |
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| stevemar | elmiko: start of next cycle to answer your question | 14:52 |
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| elmiko | we should probably update the documentation to reflect the usage of the new cli | 14:52 |
| elmiko | stevemar: excellent, thanks! | 14:52 |
| AndreyPavlov | it's already updated | 14:52 |
| sreshetnyak | AndreyPavlov: what about CLI tests in tempest? | 14:52 |
| elmiko | AndreyPavlov: lol, oops, must have missed that | 14:52 |
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| elmiko | AndreyPavlov: what about http://docs.openstack.org/developer/sahara/devref/quickstart.html#register-the-image-with-the-sahara-image-registry | 14:53 |
| elmiko | this still mentions the `sahara` cli | 14:54 |
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| sreshetnyak | tempest contains ~2-3 tests for old CLI | 14:54 |
| AndreyPavlov | sreshetnyak, old ones will be removed after client release, there's no reason to add new ones IMO | 14:54 |
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| AndreyPavlov | ekmiko, will update it right after the next release of our client | 14:55 |
| elmiko | ack, thanks | 14:55 |
| elmiko | 5 minutes left | 14:55 |
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| elmiko | and what about the tempest tests? | 14:56 |
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| AndreyPavlov | there's no need to add additional tests for CLI | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | ok, so just removing the last few tests for the old cli? | 14:58 |
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| AndreyPavlov | yep | 14:58 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:58 |
| elmiko | #topic Open discussion | 14:58 |
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| elmiko | any last minute items? | 14:58 |
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| tosky | AndreyPavlov: why no reason to add new tests for the new CLI? | 14:59 |
| tosky | at least the basic ones (it starts, it reads plugin, etc) mimicking the current ones | 14:59 |
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| elmiko | time's up folks, lets take this to the sahara channel | 15:00 |
| elmiko | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 15:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-03-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-03-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-03-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 15:01:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| vikram | hi | 15:02 |
| * njohnston is auditing this course | 15:02 | |
| regXboi | moo | 15:02 |
| stephen-ma | hi | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Mitaka-1 is pretty much now. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | It just keeps moving along whether we're ready or not. ;) | 15:03 |
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| regXboi | ...and there was much rejoicing... (yea!) | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| john-davidge | morning | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Do you want to take this one? | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Since our last meeting, we closed 3 bugs ++ | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | We have now 2 alive. | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | amuller and zzelle are working it | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | they have a fix ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631 | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | so I encourage the team to take some time and review it | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I was actually just thinking about this yesterday. There are a lot of things that assume that all hosts have reachability to all networks. Are there other places where reachability is taken in to account? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | any comments on this one? | 15:07 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: I don't think there's references to bridge_mappings in other places | 15:07 |
| amuller | apart from port binding obviously | 15:07 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: mlavalle: Indeed that patch is waiting for reviews now | 15:07 |
| amuller | it's pretty mature / far long | 15:08 |
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| amuller | Eugene has some concern which I've asked him to clarify | 15:08 |
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| amuller | far along* | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | amuller: yeah, but hasn't responded in a bit | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks, I'll take a look. | 15:08 |
| amuller | mlavalle: And so I'm asking for additional eyes :) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm all for adding this, btw. | 15:09 |
| amuller | I had a conversation with Cedric and I'm convinced that the patch makes sense regardless of AZs | 15:09 |
| amuller | and I can defend that position | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: +1 to that. | 15:09 |
| amuller | so to my eyes it's just a matter of reviewing the actual implementation | 15:09 |
| * amuller will shut up now | 15:10 | |
| mlavalle | thanks amuller ! | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Good work! | 15:10 |
| amuller | actually Cedrid did most of the work but ok =D | 15:10 |
| amuller | Cedric* | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: Good work! | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I think we can move on. :) | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | ok, next up is a new one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1519926 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519926 in neutron "L3-agent restart causes VM connectivity loss" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | it has an assignee but not a fix proposed yet, as far as I know | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | any comments on this one? | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | if not, that's all I have for today's meeting.... | 15:13 |
| amuller | I don't understand that bug | 15:13 |
| amuller | it's stopping the agent, killing the namespace, then starting the agent? What is that supposed to simulate? | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: Are you around? | 15:13 |
| stephen-ma | yes | 15:14 |
| stephen-ma | amuller: it is trying to see whether the L3 agent can restore the states of all the routers after it crashed. | 15:15 |
| regXboi | then why do we kill the namespace? | 15:15 |
| amuller | stephen-ma: ok, what is the namespace killing supposed to simulate? What happened between the L3 agent crashing and it being respawned? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: Is removing the namespace simulating a node crash? | 15:15 |
| stephen-ma | Yes, it is supposed to test what happen if the node crashed. | 15:16 |
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| amuller | stephen-ma: ok but if you restart the node I don't think the bug will happen | 15:16 |
| stephen-ma | I did the same test on kilo and liberty. The test passed there. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay, so more than an agent crash. | 15:16 |
| amuller | deleting the namespace is not a good simulation of a node restart | 15:16 |
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| amuller | (I'm not saying we don't have a bug here, I'm just trying to understand the severity) | 15:16 |
| amuller | stephen-ma: any errors in the L3 agent log when it starts? | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: Does it happen with a node restart? | 15:17 |
| stephen-ma | I didn't see any errors in the L3-agent log. | 15:18 |
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| stephen-ma | I didn't try by actually restarting the node. | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: amuller: I agree that it is a bug. I'm thinking of setting it to Medium unless it does happen on node restart. | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | I set it to High before because I thought it would so maybe I'll keep it there until we know it doesn't happen on node restart. | 15:19 |
| amuller | if it happens on restart this would be a critical bug... I *really* doubt that's the case though | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: Can we determine whether this is the case? | 15:20 |
| stephen-ma | I'll try | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | stephen-ma: Thanks. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I think we'll take the discussion to the bug report. We can move on. | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: done with bugs | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. I see some without severity on the list. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Should we make a pass through those outside this meeting and discuss any new High ones next week? | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: ++ | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | let's do that for next week | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: haleyb: Swami: obondarev: Is there anything we need to wrap up from yesterday's defunct DVR meeting? | 15:23 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: the dvr jobs in the check pipeline are very sick | 15:23 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: The only thing that was a concern was the functional test failures. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | There were a couple of rather urgent bugs being discussed yesterday. I wanted to just check in. | 15:23 |
| amuller | haleyb is handling the DVR job failing on metering tests | 15:24 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I'm hoping that haleyb's infra patch to get metering back into the list of services will help them be happy | 15:24 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I could not reproduce the failures in my local setup. | 15:24 |
| regXboi | (i.e. what amuller said) | 15:24 |
| amuller | the one I'm concerned about is the DVR functional tests failure | 15:24 |
| amuller | which I could not reproduce locally either | 15:24 |
| haleyb | i created https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252493/ to fix the other issue | 15:24 |
| regXboi | the DVR functional tests failure is not consistent | 15:24 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes haleyb fix will fix the dvr job in single node. | 15:24 |
| amuller | regXboi: that's always the case =p | 15:24 |
| regXboi | amuller: not always - sometimes we get lucky :) | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Sometimes they are perfectly consistent. All failures. ;) | 15:25 |
| regXboi | ^^^^^ is what I mean by "getting lucky" | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | So, do we think that haleyb 's fix will cure the sickness? I'm having trouble sensing if that is the case. | 15:26 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: at this point it is not clear if this would have been introduced by a patch in neutron. | 15:26 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: we are talking about 2 things here | 15:26 |
| amuller | The functional job failure rate is higher than can be for a voting job... We have to address this by either skipping these tests or solving the issue but we can't let this situation go on | 15:26 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: haleyb's fix will solve the metering problem and not the functional tests. | 15:26 |
| amuller | skipping the tests is not great because this could be a legit bug | 15:27 |
| regXboi | amuller is correct :( | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I was confused by regXboi 's statement above about making them happy. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | amuller: ya I agree, we not skip the tests, since this will introduce more bugs. | 15:27 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: are you clear now? | 15:27 |
| haleyb | regXboi: were you able to get the functional test to fail at all yesterday in testing? | 15:28 |
| regXboi | haleyb: nope | 15:28 |
| regXboi | haleyb: *but* amuller pushed a patch to change the timeout and we saw that it is not always honored | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: If the two are independent issues then I'm clear. | 15:28 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I'm assuming they are | 15:28 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I've seen no evidence that they aren't independent | 15:29 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: the dvr tempest job is failing because of a job configuration issue (It's not configuring the metering service plugin), a subset of the dvr functional tests are failing for another, unknown reason | 15:29 |
| amuller | it's definitely independent | 15:29 |
| * regXboi wonders did I really just use a double negative? *shudder* | 15:29 | |
| Swami | amuller: agree | 15:30 |
| amuller | there's several weird things with those functional test failures, chief of which is that those tests run for thousands of seconds and then either pass or fail (But this doesn't always happen, sometimes they run fine) | 15:30 |
| amuller | we have a per-test timeout of 180 seconds which these tests can somehow just bypass | 15:30 |
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| amuller | and because those tests take so long (sometimes) the global job times out at 2 hours and we don't get the functional tests logs... | 15:31 |
| amuller | which makes this harder since we can't seem to be able to reproduce locally either | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | and this wasn't blue box related, right? or some other infra thing | 15:31 |
| regXboi | haleyb: nope | 15:31 |
| regXboi | haleyb: the errors are showing up at rax and hp | 15:31 |
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| regXboi | as for "some other infra thing" that might be possible, but very difficult to run down | 15:32 |
| regXboi | I'm worried about the fact that tests are able to bypass the timeout | 15:32 |
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| regXboi | we should nail that down so that we can get reasonable logs on the failure | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | I tried looking through logstash a bit yesterday. Sometimes logstash steers me towards a culprit but that wasn't the case for this. | 15:33 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: yes, that fact makes me suspect infra, but I can't find a smoking gun | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Who can take on the timeout issue? | 15:33 |
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| Swami | amuller was already working on the timeout issue, I thought. | 15:35 |
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| amuller | I ran in to a dead end | 15:35 |
| regXboi | amuller: what was the dead end? | 15:35 |
| Swami | amuller: did you get any help from infra on this. | 15:35 |
| amuller | Swami: no | 15:35 |
| amuller | regXboi: I didn't learn anything =/ | 15:35 |
| regXboi | amuller: ah | 15:35 |
| regXboi | I'll sync up with amuller in channel and see if I can find some time to look at it | 15:36 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: is there anyone from infra who can help us here. | 15:36 |
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| regXboi | #action regXboi to sync up with amuller and see if he can roll the ball forward on the timeout issue | 15:37 |
| regXboi | there - let's move on | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I think I would just ask in the infra room. Sometimes anteaya can help get things moving for an urgent issue that is stuck. | 15:37 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: amuller: Thank you. I should be around today if I can help, let me know. | 15:38 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin, Swami: I'm a known handle over in infra, so they usually answer me if I ask questions | 15:38 |
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| Swami | regXboi: sounds good. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay. Let's move on. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Routed Networks | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I tried to clarify the spec once again. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I got a +1. Merge it! | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I tried to clarify the use of bridge mappings a bit based on a discussion with russellb | 15:40 |
| regXboi | hahahahahaha | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | So, Neutron will depend on the plugin for network / host mapping and the ML2 plugin with agents will use bridge mappings to provide the mapping. | 15:41 |
| neiljerram | Ah, interesting, I didn't get to that part yet. | 15:41 |
| regXboi | so routed networks will depend on the ML2 plugin/agents? | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: I'm sure I'll need another pass to actually say it clearly. :) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: No | 15:42 |
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| neiljerram | No, that's exactly what carl didn't just say | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | routed networks will depend on the plugin (whatever that may be) providing a mapping. | 15:42 |
| tidwellr1 | regXboi: network/host mapping becomes an implementation detail | 15:42 |
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| regXboi | ok... can we say "a plugin" then? "the" is a bit more definitive than "a" as an article | 15:42 |
| neiljerram | But that means it's an implementation point and not something described on the API | 15:43 |
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| regXboi | sorry for the grammar police, folks :/ | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyway, go tear up the spec for me again, please. :) | 15:44 |
| neiljerram | But I guess that's OK as it only applies to Networks that are being used as part of an IpNetwork. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Seriously though, I don't know what I'd do without good feedback on the spec. I appreciate it very much. | 15:44 |
| neiljerram | Will review again later. | 15:44 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: it is on my list to do today | 15:44 |
| vikram | Still going through ... It's massive ;) | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram: Thanks for your help with the API / model patch. | 15:45 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: Real game needs to begin now | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Thanks for yours too. You gave some valuable feedback. | 15:46 |
| neiljerram | Thanks, I'll try to continue that :-) | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Right now, I'm very interested in creating ports on IpNetworks and binding to a Network / IP address later. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm also very interested in diving in to the Nova / Neutron interaction. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll ping johnthetubaguy for some more Nova attention for this spec. | 15:47 |
| neiljerram | I agree, but we need a working DB model in order to play with more code, and I think we need the spec to be closed to done in order to decide what the right working DB model is. | 15:48 |
| neiljerram | s/closed/closer | 15:48 |
| vikram | neiljerram:++ | 15:48 |
| neiljerram | So for me iterating on the spec is still the most important thing | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: I agree that we still need to iterate on the spec. On the other hand, I think some tinkering with it will give us valuable insights to get the spec right. | 15:49 |
| neiljerram | That is definitely true too! This is a hard change :-) | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Later today, I'm going to chat with kevinbenton a bit about the Nova part too. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, we're running out of time. Let's move on more quickly. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Address Scopes | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm hoping to get more patches merged. If you're a core, could you take a look at the topic? | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/address-scopes,n,z | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic BGP | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram: tidwellr1: ping | 15:53 |
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| vikram | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:54 |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:54 |
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| tidwellr1 | not ready to have it hit too hard with reviews yet | 15:55 |
| tidwellr1 | between my wife having a baby and thanksgiving holiday, it's been slow going the last couple weeks | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: Congratulations! | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | congrats tidwellr1 !!!! | 15:55 |
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| neiljerram | congratulations! | 15:55 |
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| neiljerram | Happy sleeping! | 15:56 |
| vikram | great new ryan! congratulation! | 15:56 |
| vikram | *news | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | congratulations Ryan! | 15:56 |
| * carl_baldwin was trying not to spill the beans before tidwellr1. Now he can relax. | 15:56 | |
| tidwellr1 | neiljerram: ;) | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: LOL | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, we have 4 minutes. What shall we do with those? | 15:57 |
| regXboi | so, what are the details? | 15:57 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: Just resumed the work this week.. after couple of weeks.. so no progress from my side either | 15:57 |
| regXboi | i.e. boy/girl, etc. etc. :) | 15:57 |
| tidwellr1 | I expect to have some coded in shape to start merging before the end of the year | 15:57 |
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| tidwellr1 | ah yes, we had a little girl | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion (or just baby news) | 15:57 |
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| regXboi | congratulations! | 15:57 |
| neiljerram | Does she have a Gerrit account yet? | 15:58 |
| vikram | tidwellr1: what name you are thinking? | 15:58 |
| tidwellr1 | 6lbs 11oz, 19.6 in long, thankfully made it to the hospital instead of doing this on the side of throad | 15:58 |
| tidwellr1 | * the road | 15:58 |
| regXboi | always a good thing :) | 15:58 |
| tidwellr1 | yes! | 15:58 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: from DNS side, finished coding all the functionality before Thanksgiving. Got review to implement if full extension. Did that last week and debugging now. Testing will be done today and tomorrow and should be good for reviews on Monday | 15:59 |
| tidwellr1 | @vikram her name is Isla (think how you pronounce "island") | 15:59 |
| vikram | tidwellr1: nice ;) | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: also NOva spec was merged | 15:59 |
| regXboi | tidwellr1: very nice - I'll have to remember that one | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Yeah! | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 16:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-12-03-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-12-03-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 16:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
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| etoews | hihi | 16:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha! | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| regXboi | moo | 16:01 |
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| rosmaita | we have a plethora of greetings | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 16:01 |
| lwilliams_ | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | 'lo! | 16:01 |
| etoews | nice to see so many new nicks! | 16:01 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:01 |
| gmwolfgram | hi there | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| etoews | pretty full agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
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| sdague | o/ | 16:03 |
| etoews | sounds like nothing happened in the prev meeting | 16:03 |
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| etoews | so the one prior #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-19-16.00.html | 16:03 |
| etoews | where did elmiko go? | 16:04 |
| elmiko | here | 16:04 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:04 |
| elmiko | and yea, no one showed for last week's meeting | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i think the only action item we had was for rosmaita | 16:05 |
| sdague | us holidays and all | 16:05 |
| elmiko | yup | 16:05 |
| elmiko | but usually the 00:00 meeting is not well attended | 16:05 |
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| etoews | ya... | 16:05 |
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| salv-orlando | espcially for folks in and around GMT... | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | so on my action item ... | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | i reached out to jamie lennox who wrote the 'version' wiki page | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | but haven't heard back | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | the action item was to get the wiki page into a patch for the guidelines | 16:07 |
| etoews | rosmaita: link us to that wiki page | 16:07 |
| * rosmaita looking | 16:07 | |
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| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VersionDiscovery | 16:07 |
| rosmaita | it's really quite good | 16:08 |
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| etoews | getting a guideline around that would be great | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | i'm curious how does this overlap with json-home as well? | 16:08 |
| etoews | rosmaita: beyond being the original author, what did you need to talk to jammielennox about it? | 16:09 |
| etoews | (i notice he's in #openstack-sdks) | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | etoews: nothing | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | etoews: i offered to RST it with him as co-author | 16:10 |
| etoews | ah | 16:10 |
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| rosmaita | just feels like plagiarism to submit it myself | 16:10 |
| sdague | in looking at that, that's mostly just a capture of the current world, right? | 16:10 |
| sdague | that looks like what nova already does | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | sdague: i think so ... and glance, too | 16:11 |
| sdague | I guess the media types are a little different | 16:11 |
| sdague | this doesn't account for microversions | 16:11 |
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| annegentle | rosmaita: yeah, I get that. license-wise the wiki is creative commons so should be fine without attribution http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ | 16:12 |
| * edleafe wanders in late... | 16:12 | |
| sdague | rosmaita: yeh, co-authored-by is fine | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, maybe i will just slap it together, then | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | (i used to be a college professor, so I am kind of sensitive to plagiarism issues ...) | 16:13 |
| etoews | thanks rosmaita | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | np, will work on it in my "free" time | 16:13 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:13 |
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| etoews | rosmaita: if you think it might be helpful, an analysis of how it's currently done could be put into https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design | 16:14 |
| elmiko | that would be cool | 16:14 |
| etoews | is anyone available to do an analysis that will help rosmaita version discovery guideline? | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | i can help if no one else is available | 16:15 |
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| etoews | thanks elmiko | 16:16 |
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| etoews | #action rosmaita to start a guideline for version discovery | 16:16 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to start analysis of current style of version discovery | 16:16 |
| etoews | #topic Glance image import refactor spec, new revision up (patch set 7) (rosmaita) | 16:16 |
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| rosmaita | i don't want to take up too much time, this is just a request to please take a look | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | i put some specific things to look for on an etherpad: | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-glance-import-refactor | 16:17 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ | 16:17 |
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| rosmaita | thanks! | 16:17 |
| etoews | yep. good to highlight things. | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | (done) | 16:18 |
| etoews | looks like we already covered the version discovery topic... | 16:18 |
| etoews | #topic adding software projects to the wg (elmiko) | 16:18 |
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| etoews | take it away elmiko | 16:18 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:18 |
| elmiko | so this is a topic that came up at summit | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i'm curious about the possibility of expanding the purview of the api-wg slightly to include some software projects | 16:19 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: ++ I have one in mind :) | 16:19 |
| elmiko | initially i thought we might generate some tools to help with the guidelines, but this may not be ideal | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | annegentle and i talked, very briefly, about things like fairy-slipper maybe falling under our umbrella | 16:20 |
| elmiko | my thought was that by adding a few more "crunchy" items to the wg, we might help to add more spark to the excitement | 16:20 |
| elmiko | and possibly build a larger footprint for the wg | 16:21 |
| elmiko | as well as push forward some of the api related code tools | 16:21 |
| elmiko | any have thoughts about this? | 16:21 |
| annegentle | basically this group has the most knowledge for testing APIs, and the new framework should enable more tests/comparisons and tie-in to tempest for same requests/responses | 16:21 |
| annegentle | so to me it's a natural fit for this group to have core status on that tool | 16:22 |
| cdent | we got pretty excited about this at summit because we saw it was a good way to get engagement that effectively trojan horses the guidelines | 16:22 |
| annegentle | or at least those who want to be core and do reviews | 16:22 |
| annegentle | heh cdent on the trojan horse | 16:22 |
| elmiko | the reality is that guidelines are fun and all, but we seem to slowing down in our progress | 16:22 |
| elmiko | i think it would be cool to have more "steam" behind the group, and these projects might be a way to generate it | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | i've watched as the security project added tooling and it has really helped grow interest in that group. maybe it could work for us as well? | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | does anyone have objections to pursuing this path? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | or is it improper for us to expand the groups intent? | 16:25 |
| edleafe | elmiko: it seems perfectly valid | 16:25 |
| elmiko | cool! | 16:26 |
| annegentle | I also have the nova API subteam on board to work on it | 16:26 |
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| annegentle | so it seems like a great way to spark interest esp. from those working in this space working together | 16:27 |
| etoews | i have no real objection to this | 16:27 |
| etoews | but i'd be very hesitant to increase the scope of the api wg mission statement | 16:27 |
| etoews | i see this as a "sidecar" effort to the api wg | 16:27 |
| etoews | more concretely, i would want http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ to continue to be focused on guidelines. | 16:28 |
| etoews | s/would/wouldn't/ | 16:28 |
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| etoews | gah | 16:28 |
| cdent | I don't think there's any need to expand the mission, thus the "trojan horse stuff" | 16:28 |
| etoews | more concretely, i would want http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ to continue to be focused on guidelines. | 16:28 |
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| etoews | ya. how this plugs into the wg is cool with me. | 16:29 |
| etoews | s/how/however/ | 16:29 |
| sdague | is fairy-slipper someone more official than a random github url ? | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i can see the specs site remaining focused on the guidelines, but if we were able to create a more generic "landing page" for the wg, would you mind if we had code projects and guidelines there? | 16:29 |
| annegentle | It is in a review to be added sdague | 16:30 |
| sdague | it would be nice to roll that into openstack somewhere if we expect we're going to use it | 16:30 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245352/ | 16:30 |
| annegentle | sdague: the docs team can govern if needed but I'd prefer another placement. | 16:30 |
| etoews | elmiko: would the wiki page suffice? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group | 16:30 |
| annegentle | sdague: it's interesting, the api-wg repo isn't in projects.yaml anywhere is it? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | etoews: i think that would be cool to start with | 16:31 |
| annegentle | sdague: it will be added to openstack as soon as we get the core ACLs | 16:31 |
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| sdague | annegentle: ok, just reviewed your change, needs an irc channel update | 16:31 |
| sdague | then I can +2 it | 16:31 |
| elmiko | etoews: i think it would be awesome if we could one day have something like https://security.openstack.org/ as a home too | 16:31 |
| annegentle | sdague: thanks | 16:32 |
| elmiko | obviously not that specific url, but you get the idea | 16:32 |
| etoews | sure | 16:32 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: honestly though developer.openstack.org is what you want | 16:33 |
| elmiko | so, i'll keep an eye on fairy-slipper's progress and propose something to the wiki page when it gets included. does that sound fair? | 16:33 |
| cdent | as we brought up at the summit the main challenge with this stuff is bootstrapping: it is supposed to enable more folk but needs more folk for it to be so | 16:33 |
| annegentle | elmiko: and contributing to fairy-slipper gets you there | 16:33 |
| annegentle | elmiko: sounds good | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | annegentle: do you see the wg as having a section on dev.os.o? | 16:34 |
| etoews | so i'm cool with this but just a heads up that i wouldn't have any bandwidth to put towards it in the foreseeable future. | 16:34 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: YES absolutely. | 16:34 |
| elmiko | etoews: ack, i'm good with driving on this one for now | 16:34 |
| annegentle | elmiko: guidelines/consistency are much desired by the target audience for that site | 16:35 |
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| annegentle | much, much desired | 16:35 |
| elmiko | annegentle: ok, i'll take a look at contributing that site then. thanks | 16:35 |
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| etoews | elmiko: do you have a specific action to take as the next step? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:36 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:36 |
| sdague | people just have to remember this is a long game, the impacts are already trickling out. We've delayed a few nova api changes to make sure things like limit marker guideline are locked in, so it's consistent going forward | 16:36 |
| annegentle | elmiko: it's the api-site repo | 16:36 |
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| annegentle | sdague: agreed | 16:36 |
| elmiko | sdague: yea, i see this effort playing out over the M cycle from our side | 16:36 |
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| sdague | ok, what else is on the agenda? | 16:37 |
| annegentle | elmiko: as a next action, please review and comment on this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 16:37 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to investigate adding content to developer.openstack.org and the wiki page | 16:37 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 16:37 |
| etoews | elmiko: i don't think sdague is talking in terms of cycles. he's talking in terms of years. | 16:37 |
| elmiko | hehe, oop, my bad | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | but ack, i get it | 16:37 |
| sdague | etoews: yeh, but cycles are half years :) | 16:38 |
| sdague | so they are same order of magnitude | 16:38 |
| annegentle | yah | 16:38 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to review and comment on this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 16:38 |
| etoews | okay. time to move on. | 16:38 |
| elmiko | when we talked at summit we proposed the idea of adding these projects as something that would take most of the M cycle for us to make action on | 16:38 |
| etoews | elmiko: the next couple of topics have your name on them. did we cover them already? | 16:39 |
| annegentle | elmiko: for sure, even that spec I linked to is targeted to M but may have more work to scope | 16:39 |
| elmiko | example project is a different beast, i should probably just make a post to the ML about it | 16:39 |
| annegentle | elmiko: so the spec narrows to m hopefully | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i wanted to get some feedback before i spent crazy time on it, just in case it was a no-go from the start | 16:39 |
| elmiko | annegentle: ack | 16:40 |
| elmiko | etoews: as for the link guidelines, i just wanted to see what folks were thinking about the LDO vs HAL debate for the guidelines | 16:40 |
| etoews | elmiko: so anything else you want to bring up as a topic right now? | 16:40 |
| etoews | ah | 16:40 |
| elmiko | etoews: no, i'm ok skipping it for now | 16:40 |
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| etoews | yes. that needs some discussion. | 16:41 |
| elmiko | the example project, that is | 16:41 |
| etoews | #topic link guideline | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | ok, so the pagination guideline has now been updated to follow LDO style, which is what the error guideline was using | 16:41 |
| elmiko | but i think there is a wider discussion here | 16:41 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743/ | 16:42 |
| etoews | i just noticed the change back to LDO | 16:42 |
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| etoews | that's certainly the safe thing to do for now | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i tried to get something going on the ML, but didn't get any responses | 16:42 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080291.html | 16:42 |
| cdent | elmiko: I think you hit the tday lull | 16:43 |
| elmiko | yea, probably | 16:43 |
| etoews | sorry i didn't get a chance to dig into HAL :( | 16:43 |
| cdent | and how we're entering the xmas lull :( | 16:43 |
| cdent | I've done some HAL in the past but haven't had a chance to review the related thread or spec | 16:43 |
| elmiko | from what i could tell, HAL looks nice but i think only jaypipes was championing it | 16:43 |
| cdent | (at least not recently) | 16:43 |
| * cdent rather likes HAL | 16:44 | |
| sdague | is anything using it? | 16:44 |
| etoews | i do think a switch to something like HAL for linking should be a much more deliberate choice rather than throwing it piecemeal into guidelines. | 16:44 |
| cdent | but I'm not sure it has mindshare™ | 16:44 |
| elmiko | also, if we recommend HAL it would represent a shift away from what is currently more widely used. | 16:44 |
| elmiko | sdague: i don't think so... | 16:44 |
| annegentle | when you look at a URL, how can you tell if it's hal or ldo? what are some patterns to look for? | 16:44 |
| sdague | yeh, it doesn't seem worth the transition cost | 16:44 |
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| cdent | sdague++ | 16:44 |
| elmiko | sdague: i kinda agree | 16:44 |
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| etoews | annegentle: these links are within a json body of the response | 16:45 |
| sdague | annegentle: it seems to be mostly just how the metadata is nested | 16:45 |
| elmiko | annegentle: the LDO style are what we see mainly see in the current designs #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Links | 16:45 |
| sdague | "links": [ | 16:45 |
| sdague | { | 16:45 |
| sdague | "rel": "help", | 16:45 |
| sdague | "href": "TODO(sdague): example href" | 16:45 |
| sdague | } ] | 16:45 |
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| cdent | in my experience all the ways of representing links have proven to be much harder to use in practice than it seems like they should be | 16:45 |
| sdague | vs. | 16:45 |
| sdague | "_links": { | 16:45 |
| sdague | "self": { "href": "/orders/124" }, | 16:45 |
| sdague | "basket": { "href": "/baskets/97213" }, | 16:45 |
| sdague | "customer": { "href": "/customers/12369" } | 16:45 |
| sdague | }, | 16:45 |
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| annegentle | ah ok | 16:46 |
| cdent | that latter way is _so_ much easier to use if you are seeking a particular rel | 16:46 |
| etoews | i think i know what topic sdague wants to discuss next :) | 16:46 |
| sdague | so, honestly, we should just stick with what we have | 16:46 |
| elmiko | it just seems like such a reverse direction to propose (using HAL) | 16:46 |
| sdague | because people already probably have code to get out the keys they want | 16:47 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:47 |
| annegentle | yah | 16:47 |
| sdague | etoews: I was just trying to find quick examples to clarify :) | 16:47 |
| etoews | well elmiko did the leg work to initiate a discussion on it. | 16:47 |
| etoews | no discussion followed | 16:47 |
| sdague | yeh, I think part of it was the entire conversation was in links | 16:48 |
| sdague | it would be good in future to put examples into the email | 16:48 |
| sdague | because I think most people didn't really know why any of it was relevant | 16:48 |
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| elmiko | sdague: good suggesstion | 16:48 |
| etoews | sdague: that's fair. people don't click links. | 16:48 |
| elmiko | imo, the next step will be to generate a guideline and hash this out in the review | 16:48 |
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| sdague | yeh, you have to communicate enough of the problem statement before clicking links, so they are interested enough to follow them | 16:49 |
| annegentle | elmiko: it was a week I was off and disabled the lists :) | 16:49 |
| elmiko | annegentle: a wise move ;) | 16:49 |
| etoews | elmiko: iff there's someone to champion it | 16:49 |
| elmiko | etoews: exactly... | 16:49 |
| elmiko | sdague: yea, i need to level up my ML-fu | 16:49 |
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| etoews | anybody have a new topic they want to bring up? | 16:50 |
| sdague | etoews: service catalog tng kickoff | 16:50 |
| annegentle | tng=the next generation for any non-trekkies :) | 16:50 |
| sdague | we're finally getting things rolling post summit | 16:51 |
| etoews | #topic service catalog tng kickoff | 16:51 |
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| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-December/009061.html is a post out to operator list to get some feedback on one of the open questions | 16:51 |
| sdague | that links to a wiki page, which links to a bunch of other resources, like our pile of etherpads | 16:51 |
| sdague | but it seemed like a thing folks here may want to participate in | 16:51 |
| sdague | weekly meetings kick off next week | 16:52 |
| elmiko | sounds cool | 16:52 |
| sdague | mostly fyi for folks here | 16:52 |
| * cdent wants to get in on that | 16:52 | |
| annegentle | cdent: come on over | 16:52 |
| annegentle | elmiko: you too | 16:53 |
| cdent | there was a fair bit in the summit session of people trying to do things to work around perceived problems in http that aren't really there | 16:53 |
| cdent | so there's plenty of overlap | 16:53 |
| sdague | yeh | 16:53 |
| sdague | it seemed to be of interest to this group. We're running this more like an ephemeral working group right now, the intent is to do this thing (over a few cycles) then disband the effort | 16:54 |
| sdague | having declared success | 16:54 |
| sdague | but it's probably a 3 cycle effort to get there | 16:54 |
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| elmiko | the idea is to align about the commonalities and define some best practice, then there really isn't much more to be done? | 16:55 |
| cdent | elmiko: no, there are bugs | 16:55 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 16:55 |
| cdent | at least it seemed that way in the summit session | 16:56 |
| cdent | more like mental bugs than tech bugs | 16:56 |
| elmiko | right | 16:56 |
| etoews | ah. the source of all bugs. | 16:56 |
| annegentle | education bugs | 16:56 |
| etoews | #topic wrap up | 16:57 |
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| etoews | we're not going to have time to look at any guidelines but lots of action in the pagination and microservices ones so that's good | 16:57 |
| etoews | sdague: will you have any time in the nearish future to start on the error code documentation effort for http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/errors.html | 16:58 |
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| sdague | etoews: I'll try to do it next week | 16:58 |
| etoews | cool. | 16:59 |
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| etoews | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 16:59:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 17:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| j^2 | :D | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| j^2 | docaedo: hey hey! | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
| spzala | Hi | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:00 |
| j^2 | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | j^2: howdy! | 17:01 |
| vahidh_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping for kfox1111 :) | 17:01 |
| docaedo | (I will need to switch to the phone in 15 minutes, but should be able to continue with the meeting at any rate) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | Agenda as always found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | Last week had pretty good progress on the WSGI server for app catalog, and had a second round of trouble shooting that resulted in some minor updates to the infra manifest | 17:04 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250061/ | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | That merged this morning, and seems to be working nicely :) | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | Though I'm holding my breath anyway for the next addition to the assets.yaml to make sure it ALL works as expected | 17:05 |
| docaedo | Anyone else with any status updates? | 17:06 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:07 |
| docaedo | Going slightly out of order here because I'll have more tying on this next topic | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | sorry I'm late. had to deal with some mice in the attic. | 17:07 |
| docaedo | ah ok before moving on, any updates from kfox1111? | 17:07 |
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| kfox1111 | um, got some of the rdo stuff into delorean finally. still not quite done. :/ | 17:07 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: no prob (make yourself a bucket trap - greatest anti-mouse device ever!) | 17:07 |
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| kfox1111 | still in the busy time of the year, probably january before I free much more back up. | 17:08 |
| docaedo | understood | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | nothing else new. | 17:08 |
| docaedo | cool :) Then moving on before I switch to a tiny device... | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | #topic TOSCA in the App Catalog | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | I had a really good conversation with some of the folks working on TOSCA | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | cool | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | what vector do they have to get it working in openstck? | 17:10 |
| docaedo | and one thing I said I'd work on was including the TOSCA-heat translator in the website | 17:10 |
| docaedo | heat | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | ah. | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | but that isn't built into heat, correct? | 17:10 |
| docaedo | then there's also been some discussion on the mailing list about CSAR packages (binary assets) we could host in the catalog | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: as far as I remember it's a standalone repo/app | 17:10 |
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| docaedo | no - not built in to heat, but can take a tosca template and translate into a heat template | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the translator I mean | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | ah. so we'd preconvert them? | 17:11 |
| docaedo | since it has no environmental requirements, we could easily add a sort of "convert this tosca template to heat template" front end on the site - yes, expect pre-convert but also make that translator available through the web | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | or we'd just ask folks, if they have TOSCA templates to convert them using the tool, (being a documentation thing rather then a fetuare thing?) | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | ah. to make it easier. that makes sense. | 17:12 |
| docaedo | yes, easy :) | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | anyone know how I can make kfox1111 a chair for the meeting? Thinking would be best to have someone poised to take over when I switch to phone in a moment | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... do we have anything else to talk about? | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | I've got a 9:30 as well. | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hm, don't think there's a way to transfer the chair after you've started it | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | k. maybe we just stop early today. | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I have a couple of links I'd like to share =)) | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | please. :) | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I can be real quick ) | 17:16 |
| docaedo | yes please share the links kzaitsev_mb thanks! | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | k. so a while ago I promised to start working on glre next steps #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-cat-glare here's the etherpad | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | it's not really in the shape I'd want it to be, but I'd love to hear you comments | 17:17 |
| docaedo | #addchair kfox1111 | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (I've been fixing gates for the past week I guess) | 17:17 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thanks I'll take a look at that today and will add comments/feedback | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: awesome. Thanks for doing this. I'll have a good lookthrough soon. | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mabe let's change topic to open discussion then? =) | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just for the logs )) | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | k | 17:18 |
| docaedo | #topic open discussion | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-cat-glare | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just for the record | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 2d link I wanted to share is #link https://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-community-app-catalog-review-issue-1/ | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that's something PR guys here in mirantis are doing for their blog | 17:19 |
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| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, that was a nice article. read it the other day. | 17:19 |
| docaedo | interesting :) | 17:20 |
| docaedo | (brb, switching devices) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also I saw the merge conflict in jslint thing, just didn't get my hands on it. | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | going to do some release activities today (as it's m-1 deadline) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | btw, are we doing milestones in the app-catalog? | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | no, we're on an independent release cycle. | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | since we're supporting older versions with the same code. | 17:23 |
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| kfox1111 | not much has changed anyway. | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | oh, right. =) makes things easier | 17:24 |
| docaedo | Yeah, nothing to release at this point... | 17:24 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thanks for the links btw | 17:25 |
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| kfox1111 | I've gota head out in about 2 min. | 17:26 |
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| kfox1111 | anything else? | 17:26 |
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| docaedo | Nothing to add from me right now, anyone else? | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | nope, nothing else from my side | 17:27 |
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| kfox1111 | ok. thanks. | 17:28 |
| docaedo | Cool, then see you all on the regular channel! Thanks for showing up :) | 17:28 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 17:29:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-03-17.00.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-03-17.00.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-03-17.00.log.html | 17:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
| igordcard | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:01 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! :) | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks, hanging in there :-) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 18:02:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Dec_3rd.2C_Nov_19th.2C_12th_2015 | 18:02 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:03 |
| songole | Hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe folks in the team were working on issues which cropped up during the course of the past two weeks | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we were not tracking here | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hence the agenda is pretty much the same from a couple of weeks back | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some new bugs have showed up | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets start with that | 18:04 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: FYI: rkukura should be joining soon | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks, was just about to check :-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1521545 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521545 in Group Based Policy "If service chain delete fails then the PTG can never be cleaned up" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: did you get a chance to triage this? | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seems that magesh and vikash were hitting this pretty often | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: nope | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: songole: hi | 18:06 |
| rkukura | had trouble connecting to the channel | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *np | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i spend a short amount of time investigating it | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: and it seemed like the order there might be an issue in the order in which we are deleting the proxy group and the proxied group | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which might be causing it to get into this situation | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I see. I thought we were deleting proxy groups before though | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: could it be a DB caching problem? | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh yeah, could be | 18:08 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/plugin.py#L505-L511 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am suspecting that this might also be the cause of the deadlock bug which was reported earlier #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1519700 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519700 in Group Based Policy "Policy target group deletion failing due to DBDeadlock" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | other than that this bug was reported: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1521854 | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521854 in Group Based Policy "VM going into error state with Virtual Interface creation failed error" [Undecided,New] | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think its more vendor specific | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also there are a few more which i believe are apic-mapping driver specific | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other high priority bugs that anyone else is tracking? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no new update on my side on the integration/functional tests or the docs | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to report here? | 18:15 |
| rkukura | nothing new - Should I update fedora with the latest packages, or wait a bit? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we did release stable/juno and stable/kilo a couple of weeks back, but i suspect that we will release again pretty soon since there were a number of new issues that were identified and fixed | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: was just typing as you were asking that ^^^ | 18:16 |
| rkukura | so wait a bit? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i think so | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: as long as we have the mechanics of the process in control, i dont see any point in going over it again and again until we have reached a really “stable” point | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: still there? | 18:18 |
| rkukura | would also be good to release stable/liberty and get our master compatible with neutruon master | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you yeah absolutely | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you -> oh | 18:19 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, yes | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was working on it but it has taken a back seat while fixing some other issues | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was mainly stuck on failures that i was getting from vendor code while trying to do the liberty sync | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS update | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: any interesting update on this? ;-) | 18:20 |
| igordcard | still don't have nothing to show :( have been working on other things | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: sure np, i think we are all waiting in anticipation :-) | 18:21 |
| igordcard | it would be best to have support by liberty-gbp right? | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we will release liberty pretty soon, but i think this feautre can be targeted for mitaka, and as a team we can consider backporting it to liberty if required | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what do you think? | 18:23 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: makes sense to me | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:23 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, okay | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Pending specs | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pending specs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:23 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | “Cluster ID for HA Spec” #link https://review.openstack.org/242781 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe ivar-lazzaro had to step ou | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *out | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe he answered some of your comments | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not sure it addresses all your concerns | 18:25 |
| rkukura | OK, I’ll re-review today. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “Network Service Framework for GBP” #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239743/ | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: there? | 18:26 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or hemanth? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i believe you are waiting for more discussion to update this spec? | 18:26 |
| songole | yes. Hemanth and I discussed internally | 18:26 |
| songole | I like to have a f2f discussion and update the spec | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ok | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: its also fine to update the spec with any updates that you have, you can always mark it WIP, that way the team is up-to-date with the latest thinking (i am just stating the obvious :-) ) | 18:28 |
| songole | sure SumitNaiksatam | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:28 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to bring up for today? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay we can wrap up earlier today :-) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye until next week! | 18:30 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 18:31:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-12-03-18.02.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-12-03-18.02.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-12-03-18.02.log.html | 18:31 |
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| bogdando_ | #startmeeting ha_guide | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 20:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bogdando_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha_guide)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:00 |
| bogdando_ | hello | 20:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 20:00 |
| bogdando_ | #topic Pick correct options for new IRC meeting schedule poll | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pick correct options for new IRC meeting schedule poll (Meeting topic: ha_guide)" | 20:01 | |
| tonyb | I guess that's what I'm here to help with :) | 20:01 |
| bogdando_ | thank you for coming up, tonyb | 20:01 |
| tonyb | bogdando_: np | 20:01 |
| tonyb | bogdando_: So what contraints do you guys have? | 20:02 |
| bogdando_ | yes, I'd like to start new poll with 2-3 EMEA time options and 1 for APAC | 20:02 |
| bogdando_ | something like it was the previouse time | 20:02 |
| bogdando_ | http://doodle.com/poll/by7axmzznrcv59zf | 20:03 |
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| tonyb | As it's just you and I I guess this time doesn't work for most people :) | 20:04 |
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| tonyb | Do you need a full hour? | 20:04 |
| bogdando_ | I guess 30 min biweekly would be ok | 20:05 |
| bogdando_ | there had been not much participants so far | 20:05 |
| bogdando_ | none, actually :) maybe new time will be better | 20:06 |
| tonyb | Well a US/Europe friendly time would be 17:00 on Wed | 20:06 |
| bogdando_ | beweekly-odd or even? | 20:07 |
| tonyb | Ahh you had that on your original poll which wasn't popular | 20:07 |
| bogdando_ | yes | 20:07 |
| bogdando_ | but this option is OK | 20:07 |
| tonyb | if 30mins works thn you can do 14:30 Monday or Tuesday weekly | 20:08 |
| bogdando_ | great, that works as well | 20:08 |
| tonyb | clearly this time is good for US/(East)Australia (not so great for China/Japan) | 20:09 |
| bogdando_ | and one more for APAC/AU friendly | 20:09 |
| tonyb | 22:00 UTC on Thur would be okay I think | 20:10 |
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| bogdando_ | okay, thank you for help | 20:11 |
| tonyb | lots of free channels and possibly a little early for China (6am) | 20:11 |
| tonyb | bogdando_: no problem at all. | 20:11 |
| bogdando_ | as there is no more participants, I'm closing the meeting | 20:12 |
| tonyb | bogdando_: okay. | 20:12 |
| bogdando_ | #endmeeting | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 20:12:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-12-03-20.00.html | 20:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-12-03-20.00.txt | 20:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-12-03-20.00.log.html | 20:12 |
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| tonyb | bogdando_: you can helpfully use the logs in your mail/doodle :) | 20:13 |
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| darrenc | hello everyone | 21:35 |
| gutbuster | howdy | 21:35 |
| darrenc | how's things? | 21:36 |
| gutbuster | pretty good for me. how about you? | 21:37 |
| darrenc | good, very busy! | 21:38 |
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| gutbuster | not necessarily a bad thing | 21:38 |
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| darrenc | yep, better than twiddling my thumbs! | 21:39 |
| darrenc | is shilla coming? | 21:39 |
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| gutbuster | not sure, she's off today | 21:40 |
| darrenc | oh right | 21:40 |
| darrenc | Um I guess I'll have to run the meeting | 21:40 |
| gutbuster | heh ok | 21:40 |
| darrenc | I haven't used docbot before | 21:40 |
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| gutbuster | you might not have too after all... | 21:41 |
| darrenc | why? | 21:41 |
| gutbuster | maybe anne could run the mtg | 21:43 |
| darrenc | I don't think anyone else is here for the meeting | 21:43 |
| gutbuster | ok | 21:43 |
| darrenc | oh hi agentle_ | 21:43 |
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| agentle_ | heh can't run it sorry | 21:45 |
| darrenc | no worries | 21:45 |
| agentle_ | are you looking for a split meetbot or some such? darrenc | 21:45 |
| darrenc | Shilla usually runs the meeting | 21:46 |
| darrenc | and I haven't used meetbot before | 21:46 |
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| darrenc | so I could fumble my way through | 21:46 |
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| darrenc | ok, so checking who is here for the ops guide team meeting? | 21:47 |
| gutbuster | i am | 21:47 |
| agentle_ | darrenc: this has good instructions https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 21:48 |
| darrenc | thanks | 21:49 |
| darrenc | just pinging a few ppl | 21:50 |
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| darrenc | ok, looks like it's just us | 21:51 |
| darrenc | which is a shame, because there are some important things to cover | 21:51 |
| gutbuster | for important stuff, we should wait for more folks. maybe take it to the mailing list...? | 21:52 |
| darrenc | yep I'll do that | 21:53 |
| gutbuster | ok | 21:54 |
| darrenc | ok let's cancel and I'll post it on the mailing list | 21:55 |
| agentle_ | darrenc: you can always run it for the notes, but up to you | 21:55 |
| agentle_ | ML works like notes too | 21:55 |
| agentle_ | gutbuster: did you have any specific topics to talk about? | 21:55 |
| darrenc | That's true | 21:55 |
| gutbuster | no, i'm pretty much in lurk mode | 21:55 |
| darrenc | alright | 21:55 |
| agentle_ | ok | 21:56 |
| agentle_ | yeah ML should be fine :) | 21:56 |
| darrenc | here we go | 21:56 |
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| darrenc | #startmeeting | 21:56 |
| openstack | darrenc: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:56 |
| darrenc | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 21:58:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is darrenc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:58 |
| agentle_ | good work! | 21:59 |
| agentle_ | plus, it'll give you practice :) | 21:59 |
| darrenc | thanks, this could be a bit painful for everyone | 21:59 |
| gutbuster | no worries | 21:59 |
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| darrenc | #topic Action items from the previous meeting | 22:00 |
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| darrenc | loquacities to let everyone know there will be a virtual architecture guide swarm soon to the newsletter | 22:00 |
| darrenc | That was done | 22:01 |
| darrenc | Shilla to create a doodle and come up with a consensus for dates | 22:01 |
| darrenc | So we have about a dozen ppl for the arch guide virtual swarm | 22:02 |
| darrenc | and the date is set for 21-22 December | 22:02 |
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| darrenc | I've also created an etherpad with the proposed TOC | 22:03 |
| darrenc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg | 22:04 |
| darrenc | Any questions? | 22:04 |
| darrenc | ok, moving on | 22:05 |
| darrenc | #topic arch guide virtual swarm | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "arch guide virtual swarm (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 22:05 | |
| darrenc | we need SMEs to suggest changes to the arch guide on the etherpad | 22:07 |
| darrenc | so we have a basic framework and scope of work for the swarm | 22:07 |
| darrenc | #info Recruit SMEs to review the arch guide and add comments to the etherpad | 22:08 |
| darrenc | Doh, that should be an action item | 22:09 |
| darrenc | #action - Darren to recruit SMEs to review the arch guide and add comments to the etherpad | 22:10 |
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| darrenc | gutbuster: can you also gather some ppl in the US to look at the arch guide? | 22:11 |
| gutbuster | i don't really know a lot of people, but i can probably get one or two | 22:12 |
| darrenc | Cool thanks | 22:12 |
| darrenc | I have 4 ops/architects in my time zone looking at it | 22:12 |
| darrenc | #action gutbuster to find SMEs to review the arch guide | 22:13 |
| darrenc | I was thinking because it is a virtual swarm, we really need to plan ahead | 22:14 |
| gutbuster | agreed, the more we do the better it'll go | 22:14 |
| darrenc | So what if we ramp up our ops guide meetings to weekly until the swarm? | 22:15 |
| gutbuster | sure - it means we'll have two mtgs before the swarm instead of just one | 22:16 |
| darrenc | #action darrenc to change ops guide team meetings to weekly until the swarm | 22:18 |
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| darrenc | Any other thoughts and questions on the swarm? | 22:18 |
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| darrenc | ok, next item | 22:18 |
| darrenc | #topic ops-guide reorganisation | 22:19 |
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| darrenc | so the spec got approved | 22:20 |
| gutbuster | yay | 22:20 |
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| darrenc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ | 22:20 |
| darrenc | however, I thought in the last meeting we agreed to postpone until the N-release? | 22:21 |
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| darrenc | because of the arch guide reorg | 22:22 |
| gutbuster | oh… i'd have to check the notes | 22:22 |
| darrenc | and we still had to decide whether we would do a second edition or revision of the ops guide | 22:23 |
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| darrenc | #action Shilla to clarify ops guide reorganisation approach and time frame | 22:26 |
| darrenc | ok last item | 22:26 |
| darrenc | #topic arch guide migration | 22:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "arch guide migration (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 22:26 | |
| darrenc | good news, the RST arch guide was published last weekend | 22:27 |
| darrenc | thanks to everyone who contributed | 22:27 |
| gutbuster | congrats | 22:28 |
| darrenc | thanks, we got it done fairly quickly | 22:29 |
| darrenc | #topic Open discussion | 22:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 22:30 | |
| darrenc | anything to discuss? | 22:30 |
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| gutbuster | nothing from me | 22:31 |
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| darrenc | ok cool | 22:32 |
| darrenc | #endmeeting | 22:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 22:32:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-12-03-21.58.html | 22:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-12-03-21.58.txt | 22:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-12-03-21.58.log.html | 22:32 |
| gutbuster | nicely done darrenc! | 22:33 |
| gutbuster | not painful at all | 22:33 |
| darrenc | thanks gutbuster | 22:33 |
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