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| sheeprine | Sorry guys late to the meeting | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine | Are there anyone available for the CK meeting ? | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | huats: gpocentek: ? | 14:16 |
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| Chaozhe | Hi, It`s my first time to attend the CK meeting. | 14:20 |
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| Chaozhe | I'm trying to figure out every details about CK and wanna take an active part in it. :- ) | 14:26 |
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| sheeprine | Chaozhe: Nice | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | First I've got a question for you, is the current meeting time fine for you or should it be rescheduled? | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | Because most of the core contributors are near UTC time, so the meeting time was defined according to this | 14:40 |
| sheeprine | But most of the new contributors seems to be situated in Asia. | 14:40 |
| Chaozhe | It's fine for me, that's ok. | 14:40 |
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| sheeprine | What's your current time? | 14:42 |
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| Chaozhe | 22:40 in night | 14:43 |
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| sheeprine | Ok, I'll send a mail on the ML to see if we need to change the meeting hour | 14:44 |
| sheeprine | because we can easily move it to something like 10 UTC | 14:44 |
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| sheeprine | which will be easier for you to attend | 14:44 |
| Chaozhe | Other weekly meeting like nova is later 2 hours, CK's meeting time is better for me. | 14:44 |
| sheeprine | I see ;) | 14:44 |
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| sheeprine | Since we are only two, maybe we can continue on #cloudkitty? | 14:45 |
| Chaozhe | ok | 14:45 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 7 16:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| jklare | hi | 16:00 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:00 |
| jklare | i have no topics for today, so if you guys want to discuss anything, just go ahead | 16:01 |
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| sc` | i don't have anything. the queue looks light, aside from the ongoing refactoring | 16:05 |
| jklare | yeah, we hope to get alle the patches up before christmas | 16:06 |
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| jklare | so everybody can use their holiday to review them ;) | 16:06 |
| sc` | \o/ | 16:06 |
| jklare | ok, i guess we can end the meeting now and discuss in our channel if anything important comes up | 16:07 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:08 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 7 16:08:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-12-07-16.00.html | 16:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-12-07-16.00.txt | 16:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-12-07-16.00.log.html | 16:08 |
| sc` | short and sweet :) | 16:08 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 7 17:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| mjturek1 | \o | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | \o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hey there everyone :) | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| cinerama | \o | 17:00 |
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| yuriyz | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| smoriya_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always our agenda is here: | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| Fdaisuke | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
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| mariojv | \o | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | let's jump right in! | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| rloo | splash... | 17:01 |
| jroll | a couple of things here: | 17:01 |
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| jroll | 1) ironic 4.2.2 was released friday with a very important security fix, thanks to brad morgan for reporting that | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | 2) ironic 4.3.0 was released today with a whole bunch of awesomeness, including that bug fix | 17:02 |
| jroll | email announcements coming today for those | 17:02 |
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| lucasagomes | nice | 17:02 |
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| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | 3) tripleo CI jobs are coming back - please do pay attention to those | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
| rloo | clap clap. (what took so long?) | 17:02 |
| jroll | anyone have other announcements or questions on those? | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: ^ question on 2 | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: anything we could have done to speed up the release? | 17:03 |
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| rloo | jroll: i mean from the time the security bug patch was out etc. not sure what happened. | 17:03 |
| devananda | I didn't push the release button until after the security fix had merged, and that got stuck on a devstack change for about 24hrs | 17:03 |
| jroll | ah. | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:03 |
| sambetts | I have a question on 2) too, where is that going to be stored, stable/4.3.0 ?? | 17:04 |
| jroll | yeah, we had a bug in devstack where the erase_devices clean step (which is SUPER SLOW in devstack) wasn't configured to not run | 17:04 |
| jroll | and so when we fixed the bug to actually run clean steps, it blew up in the gate | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, i thought that devstack-turn-off-clean-step got merged last Thurs. guess it took longer :-( | 17:04 |
| jroll | sambetts: no stable branch for the intermediate releases, just a tag. stable/mitaka will be a thing at the end of the cycle | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, and we need to figure out a way to test the clean steps on gate so we don't have another bug like that sneaking in the code again | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | do we have a bug opened for that ^ ? | 17:05 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: well, the gate was slow, so the patch merged friday. and then release team had questions about the version number, so release got there today | 17:05 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ++ i was just going to ask! | 17:05 |
| devananda | rloo: the gate queue was fairly long and some rechecks for other issues wre needed | 17:05 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: I don't believe so, mind filing one? | 17:05 |
| yuriyz | +1 maybe partial cleaning on DS | 17:05 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, I will do | 17:05 |
| rloo | jroll, devananda: ok, not much we could have done then. should be smoother next time :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | thanks dude | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | no problemo! | 17:06 |
| jroll | rloo: hope so :D | 17:06 |
| jroll | anything else here? | 17:06 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:06 | |
| jroll | as always, reports are here: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
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| jroll | I'll give folks a minute to review those, or fill them out :P | 17:07 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:07 |
| rloo | what's the critical bug? | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, IPA gate breakage | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent/+bug/1522756 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522756 in ironic-python-agent "pyudev 0.18 changed exception for from_device_file, breaking backward compatibility (and IPA unit tests)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius) | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, thx. does it 'just' need reviews? | 17:08 |
| jroll | I've got a +2 on ^ | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | rloo, yes, and backport to liberty | 17:08 |
| jroll | simple change, we should get that landed | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | I'm trying to communicate to upstream person that this thing should not repeat too often | 17:08 |
| jroll | \o/ for tempest plugin stuff in ironic | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: guess that's why we have tests :) | 17:09 |
| jroll | I'm also excited to see grenade and devstack code move to our tree | 17:09 |
| jroll | \o/ for bifrost inspection support | 17:10 |
| jroll | krtaylor: updating the third party CI spec this week? I'd like to land that asap | 17:10 |
| JayF | dtantsur: I added a comment to the github issue asking him not to move the discussion to email. Hopefully having >1 person paying attention will help them understand how much we don't want that to break us again :) | 17:10 |
| rloo | i think nova spec freeze was last week? does anyone know which nova specs got approved that are related to ironic? | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | jroll, me too, I have been very sick | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | jroll, I'll have a new one within the hour | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | JayF, yeah, I've reached him/her via email just because I expected an internal email to speed the process a bit (and it really did) | 17:11 |
| jroll | krtaylor: oh, I'm sorry :( I could update it too if you aren't better yet | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | I'm almost done | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | JayF, I also suggested my help, if needed | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yes the freeze was last week... I will check the ironic spec | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: nova-specs that we care about right now are 1) multiple compute host, and 2) the networking support stuff | 17:11 |
| rloo | wrt CI requirements being communicated with vendor teams -- all the vendors that have intree drivers in ironic? | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: all of them that we could find contact info for (and it also went to dev list) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | rloo, all that are listed in the ci etherpad | 17:12 |
| * krtaylor finds that link | 17:12 | |
| jroll | rloo: thingee will be keeping on top of that to make sure they are notified - voicemails and all. doing everything he can short of serving them court papers :P | 17:13 |
| rloo | jroll, krtaylor: ok, that's what i wanted to know. thx! | 17:13 |
| jroll | np :) | 17:13 |
| jroll | so, looking at these, we still have a ton of work to do this cycle. we're making good progress but need to keep going hard on all of our priorities | 17:13 |
| jroll | thanks to everyone for the great work so far, and please do keep it up :) | 17:14 |
| jroll | let's be sure to stay on track and not get distracted by all the other shiny things | 17:14 |
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| jroll | anything else on the subteam reports? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | .. and shiny gate breakages :D | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | hope not | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | All the webclient things are in the etherpad if anyone has questions :) | 17:15 |
| rloo | wrt docs, i'm curious to know what 'not in the scope for official page'. i hope they are thinking about how to include docs from all projects... | 17:15 |
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| jroll | rloo: I'm going to send a nice long email about that today - sounds like they are meant to cover the "base" openstack services | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll, liliars: thx for looking into it and pushing for them to think of the rest of the noncore services | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | then "developer" in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/ is not entirely true, right? | 17:16 |
| liliars | rloo: apparently only 'core projects' | 17:17 |
| jroll | dtantsur: right, need to re-org and re-think some things | 17:17 |
| liliars | rloo: yeah np, will keep digging :) | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | ouch | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | ditto for http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic-inspector/ | 17:17 |
| rloo | dtantsur: no, developer is not entirely true. when we put together our docs, it was meant to be temporary until we graduated and our docs were included with 'the rest' of the docs :-( | 17:17 |
| jroll | I think the real issue here is that the docs project hasn't fully embraced the big tent yet (and with good reason, it's hard) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | they'll have to double the number of people, I guess... | 17:18 |
| devananda | I had some conversations with docs team in vancouver, but we haven't followed through much from either side on those changes | 17:18 |
| rloo | oooo, i see a cross-project spec coming out of this :D | 17:18 |
| devananda | they don't plan to grow support within the docs group to write or maintain docs for every project in the big tent | 17:18 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, basically :) | 17:18 |
| devananda | but like other cross project things ,they intend(ed) to grow tooling to enable other projects | 17:18 |
| jroll | shall we move on? we aren't going to solve this problem today :P | 17:19 |
| rloo | i don't expect the docs team to write the docs but i would like some way to get our stuff integrated. | 17:19 |
| rloo | yup, let's move on :) | 17:19 |
| jroll | yeah, that's my goal as well | 17:19 |
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| jroll | cools | 17:19 |
| devananda | rloo: agreement on that was basically the outcome 8mo ago | 17:19 |
| jroll | #topic notifications spec - use cases and configurability | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "notifications spec - use cases and configurability (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:19 | |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248885/ | 17:19 |
| jroll | mariojv: this is you | 17:19 |
| jroll | for folks listening, this is a stuck spec | 17:19 |
| rloo | what's the 'stuck' part? | 17:19 |
| mariojv | hi, yes - there was a discussion brought up in irc friday about the different use cases that people would use when notifications are added to ironic | 17:20 |
| jroll | that's what mariojv is going to tell us :) | 17:20 |
| mariojv | the important part we were discussing is the payload section (L94) | 17:20 |
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| mariojv | the question is basically what we would want to send in the payload of a notification for something like node state changes | 17:20 |
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| devananda | eg, the entire (santized) node object vs. merely the fields relevant to that event | 17:21 |
| mariojv | right ^ and there are 2 different use cases that we've considered so far | 17:21 |
| rloo | mariojv: for state changes, original prov/target_prov states, new prov/target_prov states. do we need to send the entire node object? | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | I thought we would send only the relevant fields (previous state, new state, datetime etc) | 17:21 |
| * jroll apologizes for not having a chance to catch up on context here | 17:22 | |
| * lucasagomes does the same as jroll | 17:22 | |
| jroll | btw, the friday discussion is here: | 17:22 |
| jroll | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-ironic.2015-12-04.log.html#t2015-12-04T21:32:34 | 17:22 |
| devananda | I think it boiled down to who the intended consumer is. A) a logging or debugging system; B) another service that will take some action based on the event | 17:22 |
| mariojv | one case is where we would want to keep a point in time snapshot of a node as it goes through changes, so that we could store that and keep it in something like elasticsearch to track anomalous behavior | 17:22 |
| JayF | The crux is: If you want to use the notification for debugging, you want as much of the node object as possible (with secrets hidden) | 17:22 |
| rloo | what's the purpose of notification. to notify. not to contain all info needed for debugging? | 17:23 |
| mariojv | another cases is B, like devananda mentioned | 17:23 |
| jroll | devananda: I agree with that assertion | 17:23 |
| JayF | if you're using the notification as a "trigger" for other services, you want to keep it slim and only include desired fields | 17:23 |
| rloo | does it make sense to make it configurable? (the payload info?) | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | I'd say that for production we need as small payload as possible, so that we don't overload anything (both queue and consumers) | 17:24 |
| jroll | I'd prefer if the payload wasn't configurable, that feels like a world of pain | 17:24 |
| devananda | my assertion is that our primary consumers of this feature are ironic-inspector and nova, and therefor it is (B) | 17:24 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:24 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | yeah configuring the payload can be painful because of the versioning etc | 17:24 |
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| devananda | scaling rabbit is one of hte biggest challenges operators have | 17:25 |
| rloo | ok, nix on configurability. | 17:25 |
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| devananda | let's not put more large objects on that bus | 17:25 |
| rloo | then I agree with dtantsur, small payload. | 17:25 |
| mariojv | ++ | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | but I think that as for notification we should keep it small as possible | 17:25 |
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| dtantsur | e.g. for state change I'd send 1. UUID, 2. previous state, 3. new state, or something like that (maybe even without #2) | 17:25 |
| jroll | so "small payload" means just the relevant changes to a given object? | 17:25 |
| rloo | for debugging, one should look at the logs, no? | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah, and time that occurred | 17:25 |
| vdrok | B makes more sense to me too | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, IMO yes | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, time is always included in the notification IIRC | 17:25 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: i think we would want #2 | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | right yeah it should | 17:26 |
| jroll | to be clear, there are debugging tools that people use today that rely on nova notifications | 17:26 |
| jroll | that are SUPER useful | 17:26 |
| jroll | and those have a ton of data | 17:26 |
| devananda | dtantsur: old and new state are both important to include. we can't assume a listener has processed every message sequentially | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, nova sends the whole object? | 17:26 |
| mariojv | jroll: that's right. something like instance.create has a lot of data | 17:26 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: I'm not sure if it's the whole object, but it's a significant amount | 17:26 |
| devananda | so instance.create is an interesting example. it makes sense for that to include a lot of data about the instance that was created | 17:27 |
| rloo | mariojv had provided this link wrt what nova does: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SystemUsageData#compute.instance.create..7Bstart.2Cerror.2Cend.7D: | 17:27 |
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| mariojv | i don't think it's the entire object (would have to check), but it has things like host, image url, tenant, flavor id | 17:27 |
| devananda | what abour instance.pause ? | 17:27 |
| devananda | mariojv: all of that is related to the instance creation, so that makes sense | 17:27 |
| jroll | mariojv: got an example instance.create handy? | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right, yeah it sounds like it should send the whole instance as it was created | 17:27 |
| jroll | mariojv: sorry, instance.update | 17:27 |
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| lucasagomes | but for things smaller, actions, suchs as instance is now deployed | 17:27 |
| mariojv | jroll: not a raw one, would have to sanitize a bunch of things | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | nova does send almost everything ? | 17:27 |
| mariojv | this is another interesting example: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SystemUsageData#compute.instance.exists: | 17:28 |
| jroll | mariojv: PM it to me and I'll scrub real quick? | 17:28 |
| mariojv | jroll: sure | 17:28 |
| jroll | oh, there's the schema | 17:28 |
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| mariojv | if you look in instance.exists, i think there are a lot of fields that an operator may find useful that aren't directly related to just notifying external services that instances exist | 17:28 |
| jroll | right, so instance.update has a decent amount of data | 17:28 |
| jroll | BUT | 17:29 |
| jroll | we don't need to be the same as nova | 17:29 |
| jroll | if we can provide the diff, so to speak, that may be good enough | 17:29 |
| rloo | mariojv: but does instance.exists provide 'everything' that is available about the instance? | 17:29 |
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| mariojv | i agree with jroll that we don't need to be the same as nova - i just wanted to bring up the point that it's much more than the minimal needed info in a lot of cases | 17:29 |
| mariojv | rloo: i don't think it's everything, but i would have to check more in depth | 17:30 |
| jroll | so I agree we should try to keep it small, but relevant | 17:30 |
| jroll | and not the entire node object | 17:30 |
| rloo | mariojv: i am wondering if what we return for an eg 'ironic-node-show' would be enough + any other info pertaining to the event | 17:30 |
| jroll | and I think what is relevant depends on each notification | 17:30 |
| jroll | each notification type* | 17:30 |
| jroll | so maybe we handle these case by case | 17:31 |
| mariojv | rloo: i think that would be enough, and i agree it depends on the notification | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ yeah it sounds like we should see what notifications are we going to start sending at first | 17:31 |
| jroll | and if a user finds it lacking, we talk about adding to it | 17:31 |
| mariojv | for .error notifications, we would probably want more than a common notification that occurs when things are normla | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | and see what fields are relevant to each | 17:31 |
| rloo | right, so we always return a minimum set. | 17:31 |
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| jroll | we have versions for a reason \o/ | 17:31 |
| jroll | mariojv: ++ | 17:31 |
| jroll | so, does anyone violently disagree with NOT having the entire node object in the payload? | 17:32 |
| rloo | i mean, we're talking about emitting events, but an eg 'ironic node-show' you should be able to know what is going on with that node from that info. | 17:32 |
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| mariojv | so in the spec, we can outline some guidelines. 1) for "normal events", send a minimal amount of data that indicates what changed 2) for anomalous events, send enough information to allow debugging with an external tool to occur | 17:32 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:32 |
| sambetts | sounds good to me | 17:32 |
| rloo | who wanted the entire node object and are they here/ok with what we've discussed? | 17:32 |
| mariojv | i think it would be painful to have every notification outlined beforehand in a spec. rloo: i think that's enough information - it's not really "minimal" but it's not everything either | 17:33 |
| jroll | I feel like mariojv was the one that wanted the entire node object :) | 17:33 |
| rloo | ha ha. ok, we're good then! | 17:33 |
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| mariojv | jroll: yeah, i put it there initially because then notification versions would update automatically if additional fields we wanted were added to the node object | 17:34 |
| devananda | mariojv: by 'anomalous' you mean an error state? | 17:34 |
| jroll | mhm | 17:34 |
| mariojv | but i think the disadvantages like overloading a rabbit queue would outway having to maintain notification and node object versions separately | 17:34 |
| mariojv | devananda: yes | 17:34 |
| mariojv | *outweigh | 17:34 |
| devananda | mariojv: that isn't good -- it will break consumers if a single notification class sometimes has different information | 17:34 |
| devananda | eg, the notification for provision state change: it must always have the same payload (for the same version) | 17:35 |
| jroll | devananda: this would be something like bearmetal.node.error | 17:35 |
| devananda | it can't have more data if the new state is error | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | aren't errors actually part of node transitions? | 17:35 |
| devananda | jroll: there isn't an "error" notification proposed, afaik | 17:35 |
| devananda | dtantsur: exactly | 17:35 |
| mariojv | devananda: it can still be versioned, we could have different versioned objects (with version included in payload) for .error and .state_change or whatever we call the normal one | 17:35 |
| jroll | devananda: there isn't a node state transition proposed, either | 17:35 |
| devananda | mariojv: nooo :( | 17:35 |
| devananda | mariojv: versions are not a way to indicate type | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | devananda, we can have "error_text" field with None value is the transition is not an error | 17:36 |
| jroll | a "deploy error" would be, AIUI, a state_change notification and an error notification | 17:36 |
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| jroll | not one with extra data | 17:36 |
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| devananda | jroll: that doesn't seem to be what mariojv was proposing, though | 17:36 |
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| jroll | devananda: that's how I interpreted it | 17:36 |
| mariojv | devananda's right, i was thinking we just send different data in different cases | 17:37 |
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| rloo | mariojv: you mean like what nova does? | 17:37 |
| jroll | oh | 17:37 |
| jroll | in the interest of time, can we solve the anomalous case in the spec? | 17:37 |
| jroll | where we have more than 30 minutes to flesh it out? | 17:37 |
| mariojv | i do prefer the idea of having a separate error notification though | 17:37 |
| mariojv | rloo: yes | 17:37 |
| devananda | fwiw, I do not feel that error is an anomalous case | 17:37 |
| devananda | but let's continue in the spec, I guess | 17:37 |
| mariojv | i'm fine with that jroll | 17:37 |
| jroll | cool | 17:38 |
| jroll | thank you | 17:38 |
| jroll | we're mostly agreed here, I'm going to move on because this next topic is fun even if I haven't formed all my thoughts on it yet | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:38 |
| jroll | #topic stop using milestones and/or blueprints? | 17:39 |
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| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081435.html | 17:39 |
| * jroll hands dtantsur the microphone | 17:39 | |
| dtantsur | thanks | 17:39 |
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| dtantsur | tl;dr: we're on our own with blueprints, release team does not do anything with them any more | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | s/blueprints/milestones | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | create, close, target - we have to do it ourselves, if we feel like | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | I personally don't (for ironic-inspector), and I'm not sure we want it for ironic | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | next thought is if we don't use milestones, it reduces value for blueprints | 17:40 |
| rloo | I'd actually like to see all/most projects doing a similar thing, whatever 'similar' is. | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | I've heard that neutron has replaced blueprints with bugs with "RFE" in title | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, right ^^ | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | so we have to decide, whether we continue doing the same thing without any motivation from the release team | 17:41 |
| JayF | jroll: mariojv rloo: I was the one who originally was supporting full node objects -- I'm very OK with this outcome just wanted to make sure we acknowledged the use cases we were supporting/rejecting | 17:41 |
| jroll | have they fully replaced BPs with RFEs, or only some? | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right, and if there's no standard yet we should at least try to do the same between ironic projects (inspector, ironic, bifrost etc...) | 17:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:42 |
| rloo | JayF: great! | 17:42 |
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| lucasagomes | I think the release liasons for the projects should talk and decide what would be best? | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | would it be possible to have meeting with all/most of them? | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, well, as to inspector, I'd like to stop doing it, as it consumes my time without a big benefit | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | unless someone from inspector team would volunteer, which I doubt | 17:43 |
| * rloo never could figure out (or probably didn't care) what the blueprint/milestones/etc were for and how necessary they were. | 17:43 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, not sure, that's what sambetts told me. I still see some mitaka blueprints on their page | 17:43 |
| jroll | so, I agree, I don't think blueprints or milestones in launchpad add any value, and they are a pain | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right, we are aiming to have a standard across project right? | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | I think you guys should push this idea forward since it's time consuming with no real benefits | 17:44 |
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| jroll | but there is value in doing the same thing as other projects | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, well... release team used to set such standard, now they stopped doing that | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, jroll, re doing the same thing: we're not following the same release pattern, for example.. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | (we only match swift) | 17:44 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I'm thinking from a contributor's perspective - someone wants to propose a feature, how do they do so? | 17:45 |
| devananda | BP have provided a few benefits, with a lot of overhead, but the only one left seems to be the link between gerrit reviews and a BP | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | jroll, but with RFE in the title, which is want they already do, by the way | 17:45 |
| rloo | One thing that was useful?( or what it) was that at at release, there was a link where you could see which bps were completed. now we have reno, which doesn't contain links to anything like specs | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | s/want/what/ | 17:45 |
| devananda | eg, if I put "blueprint: foo" in a commit message, a link to that review gets added to the BP page | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | devananda, the same works for bugs | 17:45 |
| devananda | dtantsur: totally does :) | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah that's useful, but I'm ok not having it if that's the only benefit | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | rloo, it's out fault that we don't put links to specs in reno notes ;) | 17:46 |
| cinerama | we (bifrost) use blueprints | 17:46 |
| devananda | just saying that's the only thing we're using it for right now, I think | 17:46 |
| devananda | cinerama: are you using specs as well? | 17:46 |
| cinerama | no | 17:46 |
| jroll | dtantsur: do you mean that casual contributors already propose a feature by filing a bug? (I agree, many do) | 17:46 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, yes, i just want to make sure we recognize what we 'got' with the old/existing system, and what we'll get with the new way. | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yes, they do | 17:46 |
| jroll | right, ok | 17:46 |
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| rloo | it is true that it isn't always clear if something is a feature or a bug. and then, whether it is a big enough feature that requires a spec or not. | 17:47 |
| devananda | jroll: I have seen many new contributors start with a very small BP proposal and get "stuck" at that point | 17:47 |
| pc_m | FYI, here is what Neutron is doing http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081458.html | 17:47 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, I see both | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | right, we get a lot of bugs with title "XXX does not support YYY" or "XXX does not have YYY" | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | pc_m, thanks | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081458.html | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | pc_m, thanks a lot, that matches what I was told | 17:48 |
| pc_m | They've been doing RFEs and if it is complex, follow up with blueprint. | 17:48 |
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| jroll | right, so I don't see much reason not to do that same thing - does anyone disagree? | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | I think it worth trying | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | but also talk to the neutron release liason see how it's going for them | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: what do we do with all the currently-registered BPs? | 17:50 |
| pc_m | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html for details on RFEs and BPs | 17:50 |
| jroll | devananda: move them? kill with fire? | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | I'd convert them to RFE's and CC the original reporter | 17:50 |
| devananda | you've been cleaning those up, I htink | 17:50 |
| devananda | but there are still 144 open BPs | 17:51 |
| jroll | devananda: I started to and lost most of my hope for the world | 17:51 |
| devananda | jroll: welcome to my world :) | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | 144 damn | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | O_o | 17:51 |
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| rloo | how did neutron xsition to the new way? | 17:51 |
| jroll | idk, I can chat more about it with mestery and armax | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:52 |
| pc_m | IIRC, they started to do RFEs and BPs were optional. Did it at the start of a release. | 17:53 |
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| devananda | jroll: fyi, we can disable blueprints in LP, if or when some transition is complete | 17:53 |
| jroll | indeed | 17:53 |
| pc_m | So was a period of time where you could have BPs. | 17:53 |
| devananda | grace / deprecation period makes sense | 17:54 |
| jroll | ok, so should we agree to give it a try? | 17:54 |
| devananda | pc_m: about how long was that? a full cycle, or ..? | 17:54 |
| * dtantsur will also disable blueprints for inspector eventually, if nobody from the team volunteers for keeping them | 17:55 | |
| jroll | or I should talk to neutron folks more, or? | 17:55 |
| pc_m | devananda: I think they started the RFEs in Liberty. | 17:55 |
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| pc_m | Talk to mestery. He'll know. | 17:55 |
| jroll | cool | 17:55 |
| jroll | thanks for the info pc_m :) | 17:56 |
| pc_m | jroll: sure | 17:56 |
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| jroll | ok, cool, I'll talk to people and reply to dtantsur | 17:56 |
| jroll | to dtantsur's email, I should say | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | thanks! :) | 17:57 |
| jroll | thank you for bringing it up :) | 17:57 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:57 |
| jroll | have about two minutes left if anyone has something quick | 17:57 |
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| smoriya_ | I have one thing | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | jroll, any updates on the virtual midcycle planning? | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | hmm, go ahead, smoriya_ | 17:58 |
| jroll | dtantsur: nope, nothing yet | 17:58 |
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| smoriya_ | thanks, dantsur | 17:58 |
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| smoriya_ | I'd like ask you to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200496/ | 17:58 |
| smoriya_ | This is the spec for boot from volume support | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | quick request, we need to make the json fields indexable in the database to build the filter/claim api etc... So if you are interested on that please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253605/ | 17:58 |
| smoriya_ | To support boot from volume, we need to enhance both Ironic and Nova(ironic driver) | 17:58 |
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| smoriya_ | That means we need to get the blueprint in Nova approved. | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | smoriya_, on my list, will try to get to it tomorrow (it's evening for me) | 17:59 |
| smoriya_ | as you know nova-spec freeze is last week | 17:59 |
| * lucasagomes needs input from people that understand databases better | 17:59 | |
| smoriya_ | but there is an exception process that close 12/11. | 17:59 |
| smoriya_ | dtantsur: great! thanks! | 17:59 |
| smoriya_ | I'd like to propose nova's blueprint as an exception | 17:59 |
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| jroll | I don't think we'll be able to finish that feature in nova this cycle, even if the ironic spec lands today | 17:59 |
| smoriya_ | I talked with johnthetubaguy and he said that we don't need spec for it in Nova but need blueprint approved. | 18:00 |
| jroll | but I'd love to get that spec done anyway and start working on it | 18:00 |
| mariojv | fg | 18:00 |
| jroll | alright, out of time. thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 7 20:59:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 20:59 |
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| flwang | #topic roll call :) | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call :) (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 20:59 | |
| Eva-i | Hello | 20:59 |
| flwang | Eva-i: hi | 20:59 |
| flwang | what's your time now? | 20:59 |
| flwang | Eva-i: if there is only you and me, this could be a short meeting :) | 21:00 |
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| Eva-i | my time is 00:00 | 21:00 |
| flwang | ryansb: o/ | 21:01 |
| ryansb | hey folks | 21:01 |
| flwang | Eva-i: oh, thanks for joining | 21:01 |
| Eva-i | But I'm awake till 06:00 | 21:01 |
| flwang | ryansb: thanks for joining | 21:01 |
| Eva-i | =) | 21:01 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you must be young, i can't do that after 30 :) | 21:02 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yep | 21:03 |
| flwang | ok, let's start, i will miss vkmc and kick flaper87 | 21:03 |
| flwang | #topic code review | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:03 | |
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| flwang | we made a great progress in Mitaka-1 | 21:04 |
| flwang | thank you very much for everyone, especiall ryansb, vkmc, Eva-i and MD | 21:04 |
| ryansb | not quite code review, but we have lots of patches in merge conflict | 21:04 |
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| flwang | ryansb: haha | 21:04 |
| flwang | ryansb: and gate failure :) | 21:04 |
| ryansb | yeah, I haven't had a chance to look at that yet | 21:05 |
| flwang | but we made it, though we still have some patches in the air | 21:05 |
| flwang | now the v1 client support is almost 'done', still missing the flavor list and create, pls blame /me | 21:06 |
| ryansb | my point was, if you have patches out, please rebase them | 21:06 |
| flwang | ryansb: sorry, yep | 21:06 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, i know you did a lot rebase for MD's patches | 21:06 |
| ryansb | hey, no worries. You made *tons* of progress anyways | 21:06 |
| Eva-i | flwang: thank you too, you are MVP | 21:07 |
| Eva-i | IMO | 21:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: i hope we can complete the client work in this week | 21:07 |
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| flwang | i will upload new patchset for flavor list/create and v2 subscription/claim | 21:08 |
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| flwang | pls review them :) | 21:08 |
| * vkmc is attending another meeting | 21:09 | |
| ryansb | will do | 21:09 |
| * vkmc waves to the zaqar team | 21:09 | |
| flwang | vkmc: i miss you | 21:09 |
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| flwang | anything we need to highlight for code review? | 21:10 |
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| flwang | #topic docs | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:10 | |
| ryansb | I'd like to highlight https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253731/ | 21:10 |
| ryansb | basically want feedback on how folks expect the CLI to be used for signedurls | 21:11 |
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| ryansb | (flwang and Eva-i, thanks for your feedback so far) | 21:11 |
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| * ryansb stops trampling over the docs topic with code review stuff | 21:11 | |
| flwang | ryansb: i think for now | 21:11 |
| flwang | what we can do is print all the information to end user | 21:11 |
| ryansb | makes sense | 21:12 |
| flwang | and we can improve it if we can any feedback | 21:12 |
| ryansb | cool | 21:12 |
| Eva-i | okay | 21:12 |
| flwang | ryansb: if user has the permission to see it, show it | 21:12 |
| flwang | ok, cool | 21:14 |
| flwang | let's talk about the docs | 21:14 |
| flwang | now the spec of config ref has been merged | 21:14 |
| flwang | so we can start to contribute the config ref for zaqar | 21:14 |
| flwang | it's great | 21:14 |
| ryansb | yeah, so what's the format for the API ref, will we be able to use swagger? | 21:15 |
| flwang | for the api ref, we need to contribute to here https://github.com/openstack/api-site/blob/master/api-ref | 21:16 |
| flwang | anne is proposing to use swagger, but i think it's not now | 21:16 |
| flwang | for now, we still need to follow the common way, like ^ | 21:16 |
| flwang | if anybody can take it, it would be super awesome | 21:17 |
| flwang | since the rest api of zaqar is the critical part | 21:17 |
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| Eva-i | I think I can take it as well | 21:17 |
| flwang | Eva-i: are you sure you have enough bandwidth? | 21:18 |
| flwang | Eva-i: based on my discussion with lana, we(zaqar) are allowed only focus on one doc | 21:19 |
| flwang | means one of config ref, api ref and user guide | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes, I'm sure. I have a proposal | 21:19 |
| flwang | but i'm always greedy, i want to do 2 or more | 21:19 |
| flwang | i would like to see config doc for sure, and i will do that | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | flwang: only on one doc? Let me do config ref then. | 21:20 |
| flwang | haha | 21:20 |
| flwang | we can argue with docs team | 21:20 |
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| flwang | i think they just worry about the reviewing | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | flwang: also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/zaqar-user-guide is too wide. We should narrow it to one type of all guide types. | 21:20 |
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| flwang | if we prepare everything and just need a +2 from them, then i think it shouldn't be too hard for them | 21:21 |
| flwang | Eva-i: then how about let's focus on ap-ref in M-2 | 21:21 |
| flwang | and we can work together in M-3 for user guide | 21:22 |
| flwang | IMO, ap-ref needs a big effort | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | M-2 just started, right? | 21:22 |
| ryansb | yeah | 21:22 |
| ryansb | well, last week | 21:22 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: what about config ref that is already created? | 21:23 |
| Eva-i | *spec approved | 21:24 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: what did you mean? | 21:24 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i mean i will take care the config ref | 21:25 |
| flwang | and if you want, i think ap-ref has a higher priority than user guide | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | flwang: alright, lets argue with doc team and based on the result we'll be working on config ref only or on both config ref and api ref. | 21:25 |
| flwang | ryansb: how do you think? | 21:26 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i would suggest, write a spec and submit it, and meanwhile, start to coding/writing the api-ref | 21:26 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay | 21:26 |
| flwang | don't wait for the result from doc team | 21:26 |
| ryansb | yeah, you can always write it and submit it later | 21:27 |
| flwang | so even we can't make it happen in Mitaka, at least it will be merged at early of N | 21:27 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I'll start coding api-ref then. I'll convert existing api-ref into appropriate format and add new things. | 21:27 |
| flwang | Eva-i: awesome, before that, i think we just need to confirm with doc team if we still need to follow current way, like https://github.com/openstack/api-site/blob/master/api-ref | 21:28 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: yes | 21:30 |
| flwang | Eva-i: awesome, thanks | 21:31 |
| flwang | anything else under this topic? | 21:31 |
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| flwang | #topic UI | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:32 | |
| Eva-i | flwang: so what to do with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/zaqar-user-guide ? Doc team doesn't understand what type of user guide this mean | 21:32 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: that's the feedback from doc team? | 21:32 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes. | 21:32 |
| flwang | then i will leave a comments on that blueprint | 21:32 |
| flwang | and figure out | 21:32 |
| Eva-i | flwang: it should be either api-ref or something. Or "admin-guide-cloud". We have to use their terminology. | 21:33 |
| flwang | personally, i would like to see the most important one, but i'm not sure if we have the resource, and i'm not a native english speaker :( | 21:33 |
| flwang | admin-guide-cloud | 21:33 |
| flwang | but i need to figure out the workload and our bandwidth | 21:34 |
| flwang | we can discuss it offline | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | okay | 21:34 |
| flwang | i know it's complex | 21:34 |
| flwang | really appreciate for your effort on this domain | 21:34 |
| flwang | as for UI, now we have a repo and my goal is having a queue panel in M-2 | 21:35 |
| flwang | and complete the pool (and flavor?) panel in M-3 | 21:35 |
| flwang | or the subscription/notification panel for M-3 | 21:36 |
| flwang | given the pool and flavor are admin only actions | 21:37 |
| flwang | not used too much | 21:37 |
| flwang | any comments? | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | I remember exploreshafali was working on pool and flavor design | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | Did she worked on queue desing? | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | *design | 21:37 |
| flwang | Eva-i: shafali is busy now, she won't work on the UI | 21:38 |
| flwang | i will try to make a basic shape of UI project and any help is welcome | 21:39 |
| flwang | that's basically my plan | 21:39 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I know she's busy, I was just asking if she might already invented something for queue panel | 21:40 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i'm afraid no | 21:41 |
| flwang | given there is no repo :) | 21:41 |
| flwang | there was | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | flwang: she made some sketches | 21:41 |
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| flwang | anyway, when I propose the first commit for zaqar ui, i will add you guys as reviewer | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay | 21:42 |
| flwang | Eva-i: the sketches is some graph design, not code | 21:42 |
| flwang | we have reviewed it on tokyo summit | 21:42 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: so we already have graph designs? | 21:43 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you can say that :) | 21:43 |
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| flwang | it's very simple i would say | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | okay =) | 21:44 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: but we also don't need a very complex UI | 21:45 |
| flwang | it's a normal panel just like images :) | 21:45 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yep | 21:46 |
| flwang | #topic integration with other projects | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration with other projects (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:46 | |
| flwang | 1. Sahara | 21:46 |
| flwang | i just checked with ethan from sahara team, seems sahara team is not keen to use zaqar for their agent, at least for now | 21:47 |
| flwang | so we shouldn't expect to see the integration in Mitaka | 21:47 |
| flwang | 2. Searchlights | 21:47 |
| flwang | the integration with searchlight is in progress, see https://review.openstack.org/246220 | 21:48 |
| flwang | 3. Horizon | 21:48 |
| flwang | the integration of horizon may depend on the integration with searchlight | 21:48 |
| flwang | since we need to get the notifications/messages into zaqar queues, then notify horizon to refresh panels | 21:49 |
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| flwang | here is the PoC if you're interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246009/ | 21:49 |
| flwang | i have talked with mrunge, but haven't get any feedback yet | 21:50 |
| flwang | any comments? | 21:50 |
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| flwang | so my plan is supporting searchlight team to get a good integration, and workable version by the end of M-2 | 21:51 |
| flwang | meanwhile, interlock with horizon team to see how to leverage that work for horizon | 21:52 |
| flwang | not sure if we can make it happen in Mitaka | 21:52 |
| flwang | sometimes, something out of control | 21:52 |
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| Eva-i | your plan is good | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | so far I saw no one from searchlight team asking for help in zaqar chat | 21:55 |
| flwang | Eva-i: haha, plan is always good, progress is always surprising :) | 21:55 |
| flwang | Eva-i: lei-zhi1 is the guys from searchlight team | 21:56 |
| flwang | i have some talks with him | 21:56 |
| flwang | he is a chinese, so we talked in Chinese in private channel, sorry about that | 21:56 |
| flwang | i just want to make it faster | 21:56 |
| flwang | i will ask him speak up in zaqar channel next time :) | 21:57 |
| flwang | in Chinese | 21:57 |
| flwang | ok, 2 mins left | 21:57 |
| flwang | anything we need to discuss? | 21:58 |
| ryansb | I don't think so | 21:58 |
| flwang | otherwise, let's back to our channel and rock on :) | 21:58 |
| flwang | cool | 21:58 |
| Eva-i | yes, I want | 21:58 |
| flwang | Eva-i: ok, listening... | 21:58 |
| Eva-i | I'd like this to implement during mitaka https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/websocket-binary-support | 21:59 |
| Eva-i | It'll be great if you check it out. | 21:59 |
| Eva-i | Thanks | 21:59 |
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| flwang | ok, sure | 21:59 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 7 21:59:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-07-20.59.html | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-07-20.59.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-07-20.59.log.html | 21:59 |
| flwang | thanks guys | 21:59 |
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