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| yamamoto_ | hi | 06:30 |
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| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | hello | 06:30 |
| muawiakhan | hello | 06:30 |
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| fawadkhaliq | o/ | 06:31 |
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| reedip | hello... | 06:31 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: are you the meeting chair? | 06:32 |
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| yamamoto_ | fawadkhaliq: i don't know :-) | 06:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: lol | 06:32 |
| reedip | yamamoto_ : I think you can chair it today ... | 06:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | meetingchair...ping! | 06:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | ah, there you go | 06:32 |
| reedip | main agenda today is mainly to discuss about the specs | 06:32 |
| fawadkhaliq | you are the chosen one | 06:32 |
| yamamoto_ | #startmeeting taas | 06:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 06:33:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:33 |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas agenda | 06:33 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic spec | 06:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spec (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:33 | |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ | 06:33 |
| yamamoto_ | i updated the spec review | 06:33 |
| yamamoto_ | i think i applied all feedback. sorry if i missed yours! | 06:34 |
| yamamoto_ | does anyone have anything particular about the spec to discuss? | 06:34 |
| reedip | i think fawadkhaliq mentioned about Policy Based packet mirroring | 06:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: thanks for updating the spec | 06:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | I just look a quick look | 06:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | I am not sure if we covered that yet | 06:35 |
| fawadkhaliq | so maybe we can discuss that and the incorporate in the spec. | 06:35 |
| muawiakhan | #agreed | 06:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | s/and the/and then/ | 06:36 |
| reedip | yamamoto_ : from a use case point of view, would policy based mirroring be required ? | 06:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | Since we are defining the API | 06:36 |
| yamamoto_ | do you have any idea how api for policy thing would look like? | 06:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | I had the following thoughts: | 06:36 |
| fawadkhaliq | We cover all the potential use cases and define the API to be able to support them. | 06:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | The implementation can come in pieces. | 06:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | Similar to how ipv6 works, not everything is implemented and expected to work but API definition is complete and can be consumed by different backends. | 06:37 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq +1 , but we need to formalize use-cases | 06:37 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: Agree | 06:38 |
| yamamoto_ | my impression is it's better to wait neutron classifier stuff settle and try to leverage it, rather than trying to invent our own right now. | 06:38 |
| fawadkhaliq | I can take a stab at adding patch to yamamoto_ spec | 06:38 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: can you please elaborate a bit about Neutron classifier support for everyone's benefit? | 06:38 |
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| reedip | Reference: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-classifier | 06:39 |
| fawadkhaliq | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron-classifier | 06:40 |
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| yamamoto_ | my understanding is that it's trying to define something which can be shared among projects like fwaas sg etc | 06:40 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: yes, I think so too. | 06:40 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: so the classificaiton mechanism will be added as lib to neutron | 06:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: we will need the API definition | 06:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | I am not sure how active this project is btw | 06:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | does anyone know if this is being actively worked on? | 06:41 |
| yamamoto_ | i have no idea | 06:42 |
| fawadkhaliq | I see this was last updated 2 months ago :( | 06:42 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq : I think this is on a slow burner ... | 06:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: exactly | 06:43 |
| reedip | might take some time | 06:43 |
| fawadkhaliq | so maybe we move on and think about what's there today and make it happen with the existing primitives and if/when classifiers arrive, we can think about potential changes with an upgrade path | 06:43 |
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| muawiakhan | +1 | 06:44 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: yamamoto_ muawiakhan soichi: thoughts? | 06:44 |
| reedip | Anyways, I think keeping dependancy on neutron classifier is more towards the API definition, which can be followed up once a list of definitive use-cases are finalized | 06:44 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq +1 on thinking about classifiers later | 06:44 |
| soichi | fawadkhaliq: +1 | 06:45 |
| yamamoto_ | sure, we can/should feed our requirements to neutron classifer. | 06:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: soichi muawiakhan yamamoto_. perfect! | 06:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | so next step should be to update the spec with use cases? I can help there. | 06:46 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq : +1 | 06:46 |
| reedip | I will also look into it, and if possible update the same. | 06:47 |
| fawadkhaliq | okay cool. yamamoto_ you can assign me an action item on that, I will be happy to help. | 06:47 |
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| yamamoto_ | #action fawadkhaliq update the spec with use cases | 06:48 |
| reedip | :) | 06:48 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks yamamoto_ \o/ I like work :) | 06:48 |
| muawiakhan | :) | 06:48 |
| reedip | There are some ideas on the spec as well , like (1) Network monitoring, instead of port (2) Policy based monitoring (3) tenant based monitoring(?) | 06:49 |
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| fawadkhaliq | reedip: yes, nicely summarized in one line. | 06:49 |
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| fawadkhaliq | lots of silence in the room :-) | 06:51 |
| reedip | anything else ? | 06:51 |
| fawadkhaliq | *plays music* | 06:51 |
| reedip | yeah, it tends to be a bit quiet :) | 06:51 |
| yamamoto_ | lets move on | 06:51 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic Open discussion | 06:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:52 | |
| reedip | L2 extnesion for taas is currently on hold, once vyadav comes back , will look into it | 06:52 |
| fawadkhaliq | so from the governance perspective, can someone please summarize a bit whats the status of taas? | 06:52 |
| fawadkhaliq | is it a subproject in neutron etc | 06:53 |
| yamamoto_ | it isn't neutron subproject. | 06:53 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq : Nope , its still under discussion | 06:53 |
| reedip | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229869/ | 06:53 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: reedip thanks. what are your thoughts around it? I am assuming we have a proposal | 06:53 |
| fawadkhaliq | oh perfect | 06:54 |
| fawadkhaliq | I will take a look | 06:54 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks | 06:54 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq, its currently on hold, mainly because of the spec finalization | 06:54 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: I see. thanks. | 06:54 |
| yamamoto_ | and "Evolving the stadium concept" | 06:54 |
| fawadkhaliq | got it | 06:55 |
| fawadkhaliq | thanks guys. that's all from my side. | 06:55 |
| reedip | yamamoto_ and all, nothing from my side as well . | 06:55 |
| yamamoto_ | it seems we've done | 06:56 |
| reedip | fawadkhaliq: the 4th comment from Armando on the governance commit is an important one, JFYI | 06:56 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: thanks. Will take a look. | 06:56 |
| yamamoto_ | thank you for attending | 06:57 |
| yamamoto_ | #endmeeting | 06:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 06:57:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-27-06.33.html | 06:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-27-06.33.txt | 06:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-27-06.33.log.html | 06:57 |
| soichi | bye | 06:57 |
| fawadkhaliq | bye | 06:57 |
| kaz | bye | 06:57 |
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| reedip | great :) Take care everyone | 06:58 |
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| muawiakhan | take care bye | 06:58 |
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| emalin | hi | 08:58 |
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| emalin | hi elisha | 08:59 |
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| elisha_r | hey! | 09:00 |
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| elisha_r | can you hear me all the way over there? I can try and type louder... | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 09:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:01 |
| ifat_afek_ | Hi everyone :-) | 09:01 |
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| lhartal | hi all :) | 09:01 |
| elisha_r | hello | 09:01 |
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| amir_gur | Hi | 09:02 |
| idan_hefetz | Hi | 09:03 |
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| omer_etrog | hi | 09:05 |
| adi__ | hi | 09:05 |
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| eyalb | hi | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Current status and progress | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status and progress (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:06 | |
| ifat_afek_ | I don’t have many updates today | 09:07 |
| emalin | hi | 09:07 |
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| ifat_afek_ | I started checking Aodh solution that gordc suggested when I talked with him on their IRC channel. Still in progress | 09:07 |
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| nadav_yakar | hi | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek_ | updates anyone? | 09:08 |
| eyalb | I will update | 09:08 |
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| eyalb | I added tests to the vitrage api | 09:08 |
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| eyalb | at the moment only get version | 09:08 |
| eyalb | will add the get topology later | 09:09 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello :) | 09:09 |
| eyalb | with authentication later | 09:09 |
| eyalb | that it | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek_ | great, thanks | 09:09 |
| elisha_r | My update: Liat and I worked on the Vitrage Template (for RCA and deduced alarms, etc.) format, and uploaded it to github for review. | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek_ | looks good, I already reviewed it | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek_ | let's wait for other reviews before we approve it | 09:10 |
| elisha_r | Got a few comments over the past few days, which will be updated there as well, hopefully in the next few days | 09:10 |
| elisha_r | sure. will wait to get more before approving. | 09:11 |
| elisha_r | that's it | 09:11 |
| omer_etrog | I will update | 09:11 |
| omer_etrog | we add installation process for vitrage-dashboard in devstack | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek_ | thanks elisha_r | 09:12 |
| lhartal | I think we should start to work on it.. no need to wait for approving | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek_ | omer_etrog: cool! this is an important progress | 09:12 |
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| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: right. you can start working, and if there are minor changes in the design you can change it later | 09:12 |
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| ifat_afek_ | omer_etrog: any other updates on the ui? | 09:13 |
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| elisha_r | lhartal: I agree | 09:14 |
| omer_etrog_ | sorry, need to check the installation of python-vitrage in horizon | 09:14 |
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| emalin | I have no updates today | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek_ | emalin: thanks | 09:15 |
| omer_etrog_ | Alon is adding Legend to the sunburest | 09:15 |
| omer_etrog_ | and I`m done.. | 09:16 |
| ifat_afek_ | omer_etrog_: thanks | 09:16 |
| ifat_afek_ | who else wants to update? | 09:16 |
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| alexey_weyl | me | 09:16 |
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| lhartal | I want | 09:16 |
| alexey_weyl | We have published our first use case demo | 09:17 |
| alexey_weyl | You can find it in Vitrage Wiki | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek_ | alexey_weyl: cool!! | 09:17 |
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| lhartal | do you have a link? | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek_ | alexey_weyl: you can write it with #link in the beginning | 09:18 |
| lhartal | my updates: last week I worked on new design for the transformers | 09:19 |
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| lhartal | I did a POC and it looks very good | 09:19 |
| lhartal | the main idea is that the transformers will be a YAML configuration files (instead of python code) | 09:19 |
| lhartal | a transformer engine will load the files, parse them and create Entity Transformer object (per transformer file) | 09:19 |
| lhartal | the problem was when we needed to add logic to each transformer. This makes the change too complicated and it requires to create a new blueprint | 09:20 |
| lhartal | it becomes a complicated change requires us to open blueprint | 09:20 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: do you have an example for such a logic? | 09:20 |
| lhartal | yes | 09:21 |
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| lhartal | when the value is composed of several fields | 09:22 |
| lhartal | when the key is the value itself | 09:22 |
| lhartal | when the path to the vallue is dynamic | 09:23 |
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| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: ok... makes sense to create a blueprint indeed | 09:23 |
| lhartal | Also I started to work on loading the templates files into vitrage | 09:24 |
| lhartal | thats all :) | 09:24 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: thanks | 09:24 |
| mkoushnir | The first tempest test for graph waiting in git review for approve | 09:24 |
| ifat_afek_ | mkoushnir: great!! | 09:24 |
| mkoushnir | next step is e2e scenario - with real setup or simulator - create several instanses and hosts - create graph and full validation | 09:26 |
| ifat_afek_ | mkoushnir: this is an important step. we must have these tempest working in order to say we really completed a use case | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek_ | once the first one-two tests work, other people might write more tempest tests | 09:27 |
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| ifat_afek_ | any other updates anyone? | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok, let's move on | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Review action items | 09:29 |
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| ifat_afek_ | • ifat_afek continue discussions with Aodh | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | this is in progress | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action ifat_afek_ check aodh integration and update the blueprints | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | • finalize get topology API | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | we are waiting for PinPoint response. No action on our side for now | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Next Steps | 09:30 |
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| ifat_afek_ | I think it's a good time to review our next use case, go over the blueprints, and re-prioritize them | 09:31 |
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| lhartal | I agree with you | 09:31 |
| eyalb | so do i :-) | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action review our use cases, blueprints and priorities | 09:32 |
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| Ohad | yes I agree, we need to start work on plug-in for Nagios and HW failures such as switch failure, etc | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek_ | Ohad: right | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Open Discussion | 09:34 |
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| ifat_afek_ | anything someone wants to talk about? | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek_ | so I guess we are done for today | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek_ | goodbye everybody | 09:36 |
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| eyalb | bye | 09:36 |
| mkoushnir | bye | 09:37 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #endmeeting | 09:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 09:38:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-27-09.00.html | 09:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-27-09.00.txt | 09:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-27-09.00.log.html | 09:38 |
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| alexpilotti | #beginmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| kvinod | hi | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 13:03:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:03 |
| lpetrut | Hi | 13:03 |
| itoader | o/ | 13:03 |
| itoader | Hi | 13:03 |
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| alexpilotti | morning folks | 13:03 |
| primeministerp | o/ | 13:03 |
| atuvenie | o/ | 13:03 |
| claudiub | o/ | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: sonu and sagar are joining us today? | 13:03 |
| kvinod | hi all | 13:03 |
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| kvinod | alexpilotti: Sagar will join in 10 min and Sonu will not be able to make it | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi All | 13:04 |
| kvinod | oh Sagar is in | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | just a bit late | 13:04 |
| alexpilotti | hi all! | 13:04 |
| alexpilotti | #topic FC | 13:04 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: any updates on the reviews by any chance? | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: Kurt and Hemna are in cinder midcycle meetup | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | hence reviews are delayed | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | will ping them again | 13:06 |
| alexpilotti | tx | 13:06 |
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| alexpilotti | about midcycle, claudiub is at the Nova one. Any updates already worth sharing here? | 13:07 |
| claudiub | hello | 13:07 |
| claudiub | a loooot of talk about the scheduler and resource pools basically | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Nova midcycle updates | 13:07 |
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| claudiub | apparently, in the future the scheduler might be a separate project itself | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | wow, right about time, if you ask me :) | 13:08 |
| claudiub | as there is talk about networking resource pools and volume resource pools, basically cinder and neutron to use the same scheudler | 13:08 |
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| alexpilotti | sweet | 13:08 |
| claudiub | anyways, using the jaypipes' resource pools, the storage problem on the cluster will be solved. | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | any target release? e.g. N or O? | 13:09 |
| claudiub | but the thing is, it a 7 part spec, so, for M, they say the first 3 will be implemented | 13:09 |
| claudiub | the rest will be for N. | 13:09 |
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| alexpilotti | ok, so our nephews will use it, got it :) | 13:10 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: are those first 3 realistically merging in M? | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | any discussion on drivers ? separate project for nova drivers ? like we have in neutron | 13:11 |
| claudiub | other than that, a lot of discussion for libvirt's live migration, they are going to move away from the current implementation with ssh, which is slow | 13:11 |
| claudiub | alexpilotti: yeah, that is the plan | 13:11 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: hyper-v has by far the best live migration, hopefully that wont require bit changes on our side | 13:11 |
| claudiub | alexpilotti: but i don't think those 3 will be enough to solve the problem, as the last part is the scheduler part, which is the most important for solving this issue | 13:12 |
| * alexpilotti sobs | 13:12 | |
| claudiub | as for splitting the drivers, no, same things, unfortunately | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:12 |
| claudiub | although, there's a new project on the block, called os-vif | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: any other relevant updates from the midcycle front? | 13:12 |
| claudiub | which is going to refactor the vif stuff from nova and neutron into a separate project | 13:13 |
| claudiub | so, I think any ovs vif plugging we have in nove would go there. | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam | from which release ? N or O ? | 13:13 |
| claudiub | as for other updates, specs for N are open, going to try to get live-resize approved. | 13:14 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: you mean the os-vif? there are still a couple of issues that have to be addressed before it officially replace the vifs in nova | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:15 |
| claudiub | so, it's a work in progress at the moment | 13:15 |
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| claudiub | as for other things, for the second day, its been mostly cross-project topics with neutron and cinder mostly | 13:16 |
| claudiub | i guess one thing that we'll have to take care of in the future, is the neutron hyper-v ml2 driver | 13:16 |
| claudiub | as it will have to be changed, to return an os-vif versioned object | 13:17 |
| claudiub | from what I understood. | 13:17 |
| claudiub | questions? | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | if there are no other questions, I'd go w the next topic | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | no from my side | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | #topic networking-hyperv scalability | 13:20 |
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| alexpilotti | the pymi + threading patches are pretty good to go | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | we're keeping the original BP that kvinod created | 13:21 |
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| alexpilotti | since anyway it does not refer to implementation details | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | tested for all scenarios ? will we now have a version of pyMI ? | 13:21 |
| kvinod | cool | 13:21 |
| kvinod | what I understand from claudiub is that the existing rst file will be modified with the implemented approach | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: we are testing on all the scenarios that we already discussed | 13:22 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: yep claudiub is rewriting the spec to match the current implementation | 13:22 |
| claudiub | kvinod: yeah, I knew I was forgetting something last night. :( | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: do you think you could test the patches in the meantime? | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | we're also testing sonu's patch | 13:23 |
| kvinod | I have already conveyed this in review link but wanted to bring this up again | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: thala: testing, can you add these patches | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | in that way we can check the perf with pyMI and the patches | 13:24 |
| kvinod | sagar_nikam: sure will ask thala he is on leave till Thursday | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod:ok, please let him know that the patches need to be included | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | his tests are on liberty, so the patches needs to be liberty based | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: some work needs to be done before it is given to thala | 13:25 |
| alexpilotti | alinb tested it, found some issues but most probably due to the that fact that sonu's neutron patch was not there on the neutron side | 13:25 |
| kvinod | my comment on native thread was about using the existing patches which were already committed rather then creating new one | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | so we'll provide a complete update ASAP as soon as we test w the updated neutron master | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: which patches? | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: thala will be testing liberty + pyMI, since that is what we requested him last meeting. does the same plan hold good today as well ? | 13:27 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: we can use networking-hyperv master on liberty, correct? | 13:28 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235793/ | 13:28 |
| kvinod | we could have used this one rather than creating a new one | 13:28 |
| claudiub | alexpilotti: Don't really think so, requirements are different, so it could conflict with nova requirements. | 13:29 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: the implementation differs | 13:30 |
| kvinod | yes agreed but the concept and few file contents were same | 13:30 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: since they are testing on liberty, does it make sense to prepare a backport now? | 13:30 |
| kvinod | we could have uploaded the new patches on top of existing one with new implementation approach | 13:31 |
| claudiub | backport what? | 13:31 |
| claudiub | sorry, my attention is split in 3 directions. :( | 13:31 |
| kvinod | the changes were already in master | 13:31 |
| claudiub | the native threads ones? | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | the liberty native threads patches | 13:32 |
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| claudiub | well, the native threads implementation is fairly straightforward and simple, we could. | 13:32 |
| kvinod | claudiub: agreed, the implementation is straight and good | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | since HP has already a scheduled test run, we can add it on top, w/o having to wait for another test run | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: when is thala going to do run the tests? | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: probably on friday, we should be able to delay by one or two days | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | is monday a good day to start the tests ? india monday morning | 13:36 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti: Thala scheduled the test and went on leave, we will login to his setup and collect the results | 13:36 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: can we add some bits to networking-hyperv or it's "sealed"? | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: the next tests-- with the patches, can it be re-run on monday ? setup available on monday | 13:37 |
| kvinod | we did not had his setup details so was not able to collect the results | 13:37 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti: Anyways the test might have completed by now, if required we can bring in the changes and schedule the test again | 13:38 |
| kvinod | Probably on Friday or Monday | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: that will be good | 13:39 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: some Hyper-V Windows updates came in very recently that apparently fixed the VLAN issue | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: are there any patches which you want to apply for the next run of tests ? | 13:39 |
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| alexpilotti | alinb has to come back with details, in case it'd be very important to have it in your setup | 13:40 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: the networking-hyperv liberty backport if we have enough time to prepare them :-) | 13:40 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti: so apart from native thread patch you want to pull windows recent update? | 13:40 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: yes, the goal is to run always on 100% udpated OSs | 13:40 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: we should be able to wait for some time, by when will those patches be available ? | 13:41 |
| alexpilotti | there were a few prereq that I sent to thala | 13:41 |
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| kvinod | alexpilotti:ok | 13:41 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub or alinb will backport them, by early next week we can have them | 13:41 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti:so thala already knows which and how to pull the windows update | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: i think we should delay thala: next tests till early next week | 13:42 |
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| alexpilotti | depends really on when you want to run the tests | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | we run scenario tests very often, so it does not really matter | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | i think the next tests should have the latest windows updates and the patches | 13:43 |
| kvinod | sagar_nikam: then in that case let us know when to trigger the test | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | on the other side since your planning takes more time, we prefer to be flexible around your scheduling | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: and the high perf powercfg scheme | 13:44 |
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| sagar_nikam | kvinod: lets wait to hear from alexpilotti: when the patches are ready and then use them | 13:44 |
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| kvinod | alexpilotti: sagar_nikam: fine | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam cool! | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | next topic | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: as soon the patches are ready, let us know | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Hyper-V cluster | 13:45 |
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| kvinod | alexpilotti: wanted to know when you are planning to merge the Enhanced RPC Changes done by Sonu | 13:45 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: as soon as we have tests results from alinb | 13:46 |
| kvinod | Blueprint spec is created and commit message is modified | 13:46 |
| kvinod | ok, in the mean time I will upload the .rst file | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | I wrote you above that we had issues but most probably due to the missing neutron patch that just merged | 13:46 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: no need for an RST for this one | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | it's quite straight forward | 13:47 |
| kvinod | alexpilotti: fine, will not upload it | 13:47 |
| kvinod | i mean the rst file | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | thanks | 13:47 |
| claudiub | kvinod: also, unit tests should be added on the enhanced rpc patch. | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | back to the topic | 13:47 |
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| alexpilotti | sonu wrote that he's adding them | 13:48 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: I added one to test the newly added function and committed | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | folks: we have a different topic now :-) | 13:49 |
| kvinod | claudiub: please review and let me know anything additional required | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: how is the cluster driver progressing ? | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | here we go | 13:49 |
| kvinod | sorry, please continue with topic | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | thanks | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | atuvenie is porting it from the original kilo implementation to mitaka | 13:50 |
| alexpilotti | some important areas | 13:50 |
| alexpilotti | volumes: ensuring that passthrough volumes are logged in the target host during a failover is quite tricky | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | the first implementation will support SMB3 volumes | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | which is also MSFT's recommended approach | 13:51 |
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| alexpilotti | for iSCSI / FC, we're investigating how to trigger an event on the target and block the VM start until all LUNs are mounted | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | in short, replicating what happens for live migration | 13:52 |
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| alexpilotti | on the other side, the interaction with Nova became easier since we dont have to explicitly call into the conductor | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | thanks to the new versioned objects, this becomes more transparent | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | the patches will be ready in the short term (February) | 13:54 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | i got disconnected | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i am back | 13:55 |
| primeministerp | welcome back | 13:55 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 13:55 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexilotti: what about iscsi and FC volumes ? | 13:55 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: talked about it while you were disconnected :-) | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | for cluster driver | 13:56 |
| primeministerp | sagar_nikam_, :<alexpilotti> for iSCSI / FC, we're investigating how to trigger an event on the target and block the VM start until all LUNs are mounted | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:56 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: in short: SMB3 now, iSCSI / FC later | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | later as in Mitaka or N ? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | in compute-hyperv ? | 13:57 |
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| alexpilotti | we need also to contain the patches if we want to hope for merging them in N or O | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | they will go straight in compute-hyperv in Mitaka of course | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | and we might even think about a Liberty backport if customers ask, but that's a separate topic | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: in Mitaka, compute-hyperv will have support for iscsi and FC for cluster driver ? | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | we're alsmost out of time | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: depends if we find a feasible solution | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: the issue is with how the clustering works | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | the VM gets migrated before we can trigger an event and mount the LUNs on the target | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | lets discuss in detail in next meeting | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | resulting in I/O issues | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we are almost out of time now | 13:59 |
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| alexpilotti | we have a few ideas in an embryonal state | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | can we have this topic as first topic next meeting ? | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | which require some C/C++ native components on the cluster side | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: sure | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | ok guys time's up! | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | thanks for joining! | 14:00 |
| kvinod | thanks, bye | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam_ | bye | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 14:00:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-27-13.03.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-27-13.03.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-27-13.03.log.html | 14:00 |
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| ajo | hi ihrachys , irenab , hdaniel | 14:03 |
| hdaniel | hi ajo | 14:03 |
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| ajo | hi hdaniel :) | 14:04 |
| ajo | ok, I'll leave 3 more minutes, | 14:05 |
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| vikram | hi | 14:07 |
| ajo | hi vikram | 14:07 |
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| moshele | hi | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:07 |
| ajo | ok, moshele , irenab , hdaniel , ihrachys , vikram , let's start | 14:07 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 14:08:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:08 |
| ajo | Hi everyone :-) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | howdy | 14:08 |
| irenab | hi | 14:08 |
| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-mitaka The usual etherpad-agenda | 14:08 |
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| ajo | Last meeting was a bit lonely, due to strange things with ics, or human error and misleading from my side :) | 14:09 |
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| ajo | We had a couple of things merged since last meeting | 14:10 |
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| ajo | RBAC spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254224/ .. yey hdaniel ! | 14:10 |
| hdaniel | :)) | 14:10 |
| ajo | and Validation for ml2 extension driver to be enabled when qos service plugin is used with the plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253853/ | 14:10 |
| ajo | yes slawek, probably more QoS related stuff was merged, | 14:11 |
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| ihrachys | prolly. let's not celebrate for too long look at stuff NOT merged :) | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | *and look | 14:12 |
| ajo | :) | 14:12 |
| ajo | yep | 14:12 |
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| ajo | #topic Tracking items | 14:12 |
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| ajo | If somebody dares to call me optimist, will be right. I'm still working in the RPC callback rolling upgrade core logic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265347/ | 14:12 |
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| ajo | I was working on another patch right now, and I will continue after meeting, it looks considerable well, thanks ihrachys for the reviews | 14:13 |
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| reedip_ | ajo : Hello | 14:13 |
| ajo | hi reedip_ welcome | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | I think we should be almost there with it; as long as tests are ready. | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | honestly, I was not checking those since it seemed to me we should shake API first. | 14:14 |
| ajo | ihrachys, yes, I think my current testing is reasonable, but I'm the writer, probably I must do an extra pass and verify I'm not missing stuff | 14:14 |
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| ajo | ihrachys, ack, let's get into testing afterwards | 14:15 |
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| ajo | also, I mush push a second patch for integration with the agent, adding some db migrations, I have a version locally for that which I haven't updated lately, now it's out of sync with the core logic api | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | I suggest we get the first piece in, then care about the 2nd one | 14:16 |
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| ajo | yes, this is why I'm not updating the 2nd part patches without the 1st part being ready, it's too much rework every time | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | righ | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | *right | 14:16 |
| ajo | wasted work | 14:16 |
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| ajo | ok, so let's keep that rolling, and going forward, | 14:16 |
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| ajo | as a note, when this (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268040/1) is ready, the DSCP patches will need to be rebased on top of it | 14:17 |
| ajo | but now that breaks the world, | 14:17 |
| ajo | and it's quite far from my local version | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it's already based on l2-agent-extensions patch, I bet we don't want to have too deps | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | *two deps | 14:18 |
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| ajo | right | 14:18 |
| ajo | ok, they probably don't need the dept | 14:18 |
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| ajo | or to rebase on top of mine, as long as it's not merged until rpc callbacks upgrade support is merged | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | we'll manage the order manually | 14:19 |
| ajo | agreed | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | not that there are people pushing the patch apart from us :) | 14:19 |
| ajo | ihrachys: can we use the Depends-On for that? | 14:20 |
| ajo | ihrachys, will the gate check the dependency is merged before ? | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | ajo: we can, in theory. but I would keep test failures separate | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: if you depends-on, you get all failures from all patches | 14:21 |
| ajo | aha | 14:21 |
| ajo | ok | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | and honestly, I would not be bothered by dscp piece right now until we get the deps in. the deps are the blockers that concern me a lot. | 14:21 |
| ajo | ok, let's try to move the upgrades quicker, | 14:22 |
| ajo | ok, next topic then | 14:22 |
| ajo | #topic RBAC status | 14:22 |
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| ajo | hdaniel, could you update about RBAC integration status? :) | 14:23 |
| hdaniel | sure | 14:23 |
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| hdaniel | the patch is rewritten - to be used in a more "magical" way | 14:23 |
| slaweq | hello | 14:23 |
| hdaniel | per ihrachys suggestion - I've added metaclass to inject the functionality | 14:23 |
| hdaniel | will push first wip patch today. | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | nice | 14:24 |
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| hdaniel | wait, till you see it , | 14:24 |
| hdaniel | :) | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | lol | 14:24 |
| ajo | lol | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | ok let's see it first indeed :D | 14:24 |
| hdaniel | the client's patch needs to be rebased too, but I didn't have the time yet | 14:24 |
| ajo | I must admit, magical sounds good and worrying ;D | 14:25 |
| ajo | for example, mixins could seem magical at first sight | 14:25 |
| ajo | so, let's see it :D | 14:25 |
| hdaniel | mixins are like mushrooms - they are magical, but there's a price to pay .. | 14:25 |
| ajo | lol | 14:25 |
| hdaniel | ok, so I'm pretty sure I'll push the WIP draft today | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | sounds reassuring :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | thanks hdaniel :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | ok, next topic | 14:26 |
| ajo | #topic Linux bridge integration | 14:26 |
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| ajo | slaweq, the stage is yours | 14:26 |
| slaweq | ok, so | 14:27 |
| slaweq | my patch for qos in linuxbridge is (I hope) almost ready | 14:27 |
| slaweq | most reviewers gave "+1" for this | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | it was pretty clean the last time I checked, yes | 14:27 |
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| slaweq | I have to update some docs and release notes to it | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | we need fullstack, that's the concern now I guess | 14:27 |
| slaweq | but I'm still fighting with this fullstack tests support | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | have you tried to add rootwrap filters as I suggested before? | 14:28 |
| slaweq | that is not so easy for linuxbridge (I'm testing connectivity there) | 14:28 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: not yet | 14:28 |
| slaweq | I'm in business trip this week and I have not too much time to do this | 14:28 |
| slaweq | but I hope to do it today or tomorow | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | that's fine. note that I will be pretty much off the next week. | 14:29 |
| slaweq | FYI: fullstack test for connectivity is passing for me with linuxbridge but when I run it as root | 14:29 |
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| slaweq | when I run it as normal user that linuxbrigde agent is not spawning properly | 14:29 |
| slaweq | and test is failing | 14:29 |
| ajo | slaweq, looks like the root wrap filters for fullstack then | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | ...and we suspect it may be missing IpNetNs rootwrap filter for lb agent | 14:29 |
| slaweq | so I have to solve this issue and do some (big) refactoring to address all coments from reviewers | 14:30 |
| slaweq | ajo, ihrachys: yes, it looks like that :) | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | slaweq: pay special attention to John's comments, he is our fullstack guru :) | 14:30 |
| slaweq | but I have to check it and check where I should configure rootwrap rules for tests | 14:30 |
| slaweq | I know where to add it for "normal" working scripts but not for tests | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | right. I think you need to run deploy_rootwrap.sh as part of fullstack target | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | as we do for functional target | 14:31 |
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| slaweq | ok, thx for tips ihrachys | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we have a plan here. | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 14:32 |
| slaweq | so generally it is all about linuxbridge | 14:32 |
| ajo | thanks slaweq and ihrachys :) | 14:32 |
| ajo | #topic DSCP markings | 14:32 |
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| ajo | njohnston, vhoward , any update on the topic? | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | I need to admit I haven't looked into the code lately. was spending time on reviews for ajo and David for l2-agent-extensions. | 14:33 |
| ajo | yes, I was going to point that out | 14:33 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | right, that one | 14:33 |
| ajo | and | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | I think we are mostly ok with API part, just need testing coverage | 14:33 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/265347 | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | "just" | 14:34 |
| ajo | ok | 14:34 |
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| ajo | is David around? | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | davidsha: | 14:34 |
| ajo | davidsha, ping :) | 14:34 |
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| davidsha | Hi, sorry | 14:35 |
| ajo | I'd loop yamamoto and ann to check the patch :) | 14:35 |
| davidsha | Nate said he was working on tests for the l2-agent | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | I'm working my way through the comments. | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | oh nice that you do stuff in parallel. :) | 14:37 |
| davidsha | :) | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | I try to get back to the patch every day, hopefully I down slow down it | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | ajo: ok, I will add them. | 14:37 |
| ajo | I have pinged yamamoto_, akamyshnikova on irc, but cannot find Ann's email | 14:38 |
| ajo | ihrachys, : thanks | 14:38 |
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| ajo | ok, | 14:38 |
| ajo | #topic Open discussion | 14:38 |
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| ajo | anybody want's to raise any other topic or important bug? | 14:38 |
| * ajo looks at the bug list | 14:39 | |
| reedip_ | ajo : pimg | 14:39 |
| reedip_ | ping* | 14:39 |
| ajo | hi reedip, go ahead :) | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | I just want to say we need more reviews on our patches in general | 14:39 |
| irenab | ajo: any update on scheduling part? | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | oh scheduling... I saw today the spec was -1'd | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | due to some parallel effort from inside nova | 14:40 |
| ajo | ihrachys: yes, probably I should be spending my time more in QoS patches instead of other stuff | 14:40 |
| vikram | ajo: can you plz help approving https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505631 | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505631 in neutron "QoS VLAN 802.1p Support" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | vikram: it will be discussed on next drivers meeting | 14:40 |
| ajo | ihrachys, : true, I need to look at the other approach, I looked at it once a month ago, and it didn't look like compatible with what we wanted to do, but may be it's able to model our problem and I just didn't get it | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | on one of next meetings ;) | 14:40 |
| vikram | ihrachys: thanks | 14:40 |
| irenab | ajo: the neutron side RFE for reporitng actual bw was rejected | 14:41 |
| ajo | vikram, , correct, it has the same RPC callback upgrade support dependency as DSCP does, | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | ajo: yeah, we should clarify that with nova folks before they get too far in their implementation | 14:41 |
| vikram | ajo: yup | 14:41 |
| reedip_ | wow , open discussion indeed :) | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | irenab: I think it was sort of 'postponed' | 14:41 |
| ajo | irenab, yes, as ihrachys said, we need to clarify who pushes that, and how | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | just because we are not sure how scheduler will work | 14:42 |
| reedip_ | ajo: I just wanted to share about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 14:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 14:42 |
| ajo | if it's going to be the agents, we don't need centralised reporting to neutron-server | 14:42 |
| irenab | ajo: ihrachys agreed | 14:42 |
| ajo | if somebody has some time to analyze again the other nova spec | 14:42 |
| ajo | it would be great | 14:42 |
| ajo | I have not enough bandwidth currently :( | 14:42 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/ resource-providers: generic resource pools | 14:43 |
| ajo | may be every host can be a resource pool... | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | irenab: are you up for the challenge? :) | 14:43 |
| ajo | but then , we'd have to see how to integrate us updating the resource pool details... I almost don't remember | 14:43 |
| irenab | ihrachys: I am afraid I am over my BW currently | 14:43 |
| ajo | may be jaypipes is up and around ;) | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | that's sad | 14:44 |
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| ihrachys | well, we'll get to it some time | 14:44 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: should we have some todo in etherpad? | 14:44 |
| ajo | reedip_, vikram we may look at that when we have bandwidth: but please, move this https://beta.etherpad.org/p/Notepad to etherpad.openstack.org | 14:45 |
| ajo | beta.etherpad.org can be eventually deleted | 14:45 |
| ajo | it's just a demo | 14:45 |
| reedip_ | ajo : ok, in a minute | 14:45 |
| ajo | ihrachys, isn't that the track items? | 14:46 |
| ajo | ihrachys, slow moving are the ones unnatended | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | ajo: yeah, but it's like a general scheduler thing. we need some details like the link to the alternative spec | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | oh sorry, I see it's ther | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | *there | 14:46 |
| reedip_ | ajo, vikram, ihrachys: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/QoS_ECN | 14:47 |
| ajo | ihrachys, np, making it more clear | 14:47 |
| ihrachys | ok, that's fine now | 14:47 |
| ajo | thanks reedip_, link it to the bug so it doesn't get lost | 14:48 |
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| reedip_ | already done ajo | 14:48 |
| ajo | ok | 14:49 |
| ajo | anything else ? | 14:49 |
| ajo | or shall we do the farewell dance ? :) | 14:50 |
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| irenab | :-) | 14:50 |
| ajo | lol :) | 14:50 |
| reedip_ | lol | 14:50 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: I'm in the Nova mid-cycle... | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | ajo: how can I help you? | 14:50 |
| ajo | hi, jaypipes :) | 14:50 |
| ajo | ok, let's not end the meeting, we have 10 more minutes | 14:51 |
| ajo | we were talking about your spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/ | 14:51 |
| ajo | and we wonder if we could use your model to track available bandwidth in hosts | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | track and decide on | 14:51 |
| ajo | yes, and decide on, for instance scheduling purposes | 14:51 |
| ajo | jaypipes, ^ | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | ajo: yes, I am almost done with the next revision which has a description of the use case of routed networks in Neutron and using generic resource pools in Nova to give the cloud user ability to specify a port and have Nova able to understand that that port is in a particular subnet, which is attached to a particular segment and that segment is attached to a rack of compute nodes. | 14:52 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: oh... bandwidth... | 14:53 |
| ajo | jaypipes, ok, that's related, and probably more detailed the our intent | 14:53 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: sorry, that wasn't the use case I talked abotu with Carl. | 14:53 |
| ajo | jaypipes, correct, it's something differnt | 14:53 |
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| ajo | our intent was to track available bandwidth on hosts | 14:53 |
| ajo | towards providing bandwidth guarantees to instance ports | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | yeah, Carl cares about L3, but here we have QoS case. | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | ajo: the problem with QoS and bandwidth is that unlike other resources, bandwidth is an entirely transient thing. it changes from minute to minute. | 14:54 |
| ajo | jaypipes, not for guarantees | 14:54 |
| ajo | jaypipes, for guarantees you need to know the total host bandwidth (ingress & egress) over each specific physical network | 14:54 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: it's not a quantifiable resource, though... it's a qualitative assertion about something.. more of a capability than a resource. | 14:54 |
| ajo | and then, it's left to the underlaying technology, to make sure the bandwidth limits and guarantees are kept within limits | 14:55 |
| ajo | the important constraint is | 14:55 |
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| ajo | on a physical network: sum(port[i].guaranteed_bw) < total_bw on that physnet | 14:55 |
| ajo | for an specific host | 14:55 |
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| ajo | the idea is that no instance would be scheduled to that host, if it's using a port with an specific bw requirement, that we won't be able to guarantee | 14:56 |
| jaypipes | ajo: what is the difference between "guaranteed bw" and normal bw? | 14:56 |
| ajo | because we'd be overcommitting the host | 14:56 |
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| ajo | jaypipes, : the idea of the guarantee is that | 14:57 |
| ajo | you provide a minimum bandwidth for a port (instead of a maximum) | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | ajo: no, sorry, lemme rephrase my question... | 14:57 |
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| ajo | so, in any case, if the port is trying to use that bandwidth, (or more) it's packets are sent first | 14:57 |
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| ajo | then the packets of ports with no guarantees are sent | 14:57 |
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| ajo | or the packets of ports with lower guarantees (or already sending over it's minimum bandwidth guarantee) | 14:58 |
| jaypipes | ajo: if a port has 100 total bw capacity, and 10 instances are given 10 guaranteed bw units each, is there some other process (not an instance, or some privileged thing?) that can consume bandwidth on that port and essentially overcommit the port to more bandwidth than SUM(port[i].guaranteed_bw)? | 14:58 |
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| ajo | there are a few ways to do it, but basically it's based on queues and packet prioritisation | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | the assumption here of course is that underlying infra is capable to handle any bandwidth from any compute node | 14:59 |
| ajo | jaypipes, if the guaranteed ports and not using the traffic, the unguaranteed can use it | 14:59 |
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| ajo | ihrachys, correct | 14:59 |
| ajo | that's another level of complexity I don't feel capable of tackling yet | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | jaypipes: well, it does not require ideal fit, it's best effort | 14:59 |
| ajo | correct, | 14:59 |
| jaypipes | ajo, ihrachys: so I think the current modeling of generic resource pools will be able to meet these needs. | 15:00 |
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| ajo | jaypipes, thanks for the feedback, I will re-read your spec as soon as I can | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | cool with me :) | 15:00 |
| jaypipes | ajo, ihrachys: or at least the latest (almost ready to be uploaded) patch's model will meet those needs ;) | 15:00 |
| ajo | an try to fit our needs with your model | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | we need to consider the case, that's all we are asking :) | 15:00 |
| jaypipes | yup, of course. | 15:00 |
| ajo | thanks a lot :) | 15:00 |
| ajo | I'm ending the meeting | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks a lot for replying! | 15:00 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 15:00:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-01-27-14.08.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-01-27-14.08.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-01-27-14.08.log.html | 15:01 |
| ajo | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 15:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| reedip_ | bye .. | 15:01 |
| witek | hello | 15:01 |
| ho_away | hi | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | we have a pretty light agenda today | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday January 27, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1. Is monasca-common published automatically to pypi ? | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | So, I'll open it up for discussion after we cover that item | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-common | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca-common (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| rhochmuth | Currently, it is not published to pypi | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | that needs to get resolved | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | Is this urgent for someone to resolve? | 15:03 |
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| witek | 0.0.4 is there | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | it is? | 15:05 |
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| witek | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/monasca-common/ | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | interesting, i thought it was in pypi | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | then i looked at the catalog and i cant' find it | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | so i thought i was wrong | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | but pip install works | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | and it is listed | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | so, is this just a catalog issue? | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | Is it just the pypi index/catalog isn't listing it | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | If you search for monasca-common it isn't listed | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | So, my guess is something is not completely correct, but it is in pypi | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | OK, next topic | 15:09 |
| shinya_kwbt | I searched now, but I can't see list neither. | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | Are there other items to cover today | 15:10 |
| rbak | I can give a grafana update | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | #topic grafana | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grafana (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:10 | |
| rbak | I've put up the fork with keystone authentication here: https://github.com/rbak1/grafana | 15:10 |
| rbak | I know some people found that already. | 15:11 |
| rbak | I've also solved using that authentication to provide tokens for the data source, so this is close to being done. | 15:11 |
| tgraichen | i have taken it and i have keystone v3 basically working already | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | wasn't there a directory for grafana-plugins | 15:11 |
| rbak | I sent an email to grafana to start talking about getting this upstream | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | how is that going | 15:12 |
| rbak | Haven't heard back on that, I only sent the email last night. | 15:12 |
| rbak | But it's getting close. | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | so, does this directory include all your code | 15:13 |
| rbak | tgraichen: Just submit a pull request on my branch once your v3 keystone auth is ready | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | wasn't there a grafana-plugins repo | 15:13 |
| witek | #link https://github.com/rbak1/grafana Grafana fork | 15:13 |
| rbak | There is a separate https://github.com/rbak1/grafana-plugins repo which has the grafana datasource | 15:13 |
| tgraichen | i see one little thing for keystone v3 - for that we would need another input for the domain name in the login screen ... so far i have hardcoded the domain via config option | 15:13 |
| rbak | Also worth noting, the format for datasource plugins changed again. | 15:14 |
| tgraichen | rbak: is your code to use the token from auth for the datasource in the tree already? | 15:15 |
| rbak | So if anyone is having trouble with the latest code working with the monasca plugin, I do have a patch for that | 15:15 |
| rbak | tgraichen: Not yet. I haven't quite finished it, I just managed to prove I could do it yesterday. | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if i pull your latest repo, does it work, or do i need the patch | 15:15 |
| rbak | If you install the latest release of grafana you can use the monasca datasource in grafana-plugins | 15:16 |
| rbak | If you pull the latest code and build, you'll need my patch | 15:16 |
| rbak | I'll put it up at some point, but I didn't want to mess up anyone who was using the datasource with the latest release | 15:17 |
| tgraichen | maybe we should move the monasca plugin into the grafana tree as well until we are merged to grafana upstream? | 15:17 |
| rbak | Sounds reasonable. I'll do that after the meeting. | 15:18 |
| tgraichen | cool - thx ... and big thx for your keystone v3 preparations in the code - it was quite easy to add by filing the gaps you left | 15:18 |
| rbak | I'll leave the monasca-plugin fork with the code for the latest release, and but the fully up to date monasca code in the grafana fork | 15:18 |
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| tgraichen | sounds very good - will create a pull request with my keystone v3 stuff later today | 15:19 |
| rbak | Sounds good | 15:19 |
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| rbak | I think that's all I had | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | thx rbak | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | #topic midcycle | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | i just want to mentiont again that the midcycle is next week | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | it will be remote via webex | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | The Agenda, data, time and location is at | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_mitaka_midcycle | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | I'm the only attendees listed right now | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | It would be good if folks start filling out information | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | in the agenda section | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | I see some items related to send sms | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | and add to skype | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | so, those topics seem to be related to the notificatino engine | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the other items listed are the logging api and performance | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | so, please fill out the etherpad with topics that you would like to cover and i'll try and organize | 15:22 |
| ho_away | is there any conditions to join the mid-cycle? (so far i didn't contribute monasca...) | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | ho_away: there are no conditions | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | it is open to anyone | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | so your topic of anomaly detection would be a good one | 15:23 |
| ho_away | rhochmut: cool! | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | i saw your email posting | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | i think there was only one other response asking questions around the current status of it | 15:24 |
| ho_away | rhochmuth: yeah, i tried to get someone's interest but it failed :-) | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | current status of the monasca anomaly prediction engine | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | well, there were some folks last week that seemed interested | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | and then there is me | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | so, if you woudl like i can go over what i've done and we can share ideas | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | i'm interested in hearing what your ideas in this area are | 15:26 |
| ho_away | rhochmuth: really? it's appreciate | 15:26 |
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| ho_away | rhochmuth: we have some POC around IT analytics but it's not related to monasca now | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | ho_away, so please add an agenda item | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | and we can start discussions next week | 15:27 |
| ho_away | rhochmuth: to mid-cycle? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:27 |
| ho_away | rhochmuth: i will add it :-) | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | please also feel free to start sharing ideas via email or the openstack-dev list | 15:28 |
| ho_away | rhochmuth: thanks! if i get no response, i might get big damage... :-) | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | well, we can talk next week | 15:29 |
| ho_away | yep | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | so, are there other topics | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | are there reviews folks want me to llok at | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | we've recovered from the CI problems we had last week | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i'm trying to catch up on reviews | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | we have a lot of outstanding ones | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | witek: Did you every look at all the reviews and pull requests to the ansible changes, that i was having trouble with | 15:31 |
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| witek | yes, i'm testing it | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | witek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251893/ | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | cool | 15:32 |
| witek | i had problems with smoke tests | 15:32 |
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| witek | had to downgrade monasca-notification | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | hmmm, i was seeing different problems | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | let me know if you want me to test that again | 15:32 |
| witek | yes, I will let you know, when I'm done | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Also, i see that you have a proposal for the log apu batching up | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273058/1/docs/monasca-log-api-spec.md | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | tsv and his team did some performane analysis | 15:33 |
| witek | it's a follow-up after the chaotic discussion last week :) | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | tsv's analysis shows > 12X improvement going to batch | 15:34 |
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| witek | yes, i can believe that | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | so, if anyone wants/needs some reviews bumped up let me know and i'll see what i can do now that we are getting out of the mess we were in past week | 15:36 |
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| witek | we don't have restrictions in requirements any more | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 15:37 |
| witek | i'm not sure, but it could be, we monasca-vagrant is not working now | 15:37 |
| witek | i'm not sure, but it could be, why monasca-vagrant is not working now | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | i wasn't aware monasca-vagrant was broken | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | i'll need to take a look | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | but, that could be the reason | 15:37 |
| witek | monasca-notification does not start | 15:38 |
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| witek | after downgrade it does | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | i'll verify here | 15:38 |
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| witek | nice, thanks | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i think we are done for the day | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | see everyone next week | 15:40 |
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| witek | thank you Roland | 15:40 |
| witek | see you | 15:40 |
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| ho_away | thanks! | 15:40 |
| tgraichen | see you | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 15:41:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-27-15.01.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-27-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-27-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
| eglute | Hello everyone, please raise your hand if you are here for DefCore meeting | 16:00 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:00 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | Agenda: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.10 please review and add/edit as needed | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello gema and markvoelker! | 16:01 |
| gema | hello :D | 16:01 |
| eglute | Chris Hoge will not be able attend today's meeting | 16:01 |
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| eglute | not sure if we are getting more people to join us today | 16:02 |
| eglute | #topic board report | 16:02 |
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| dwalleck | o/ | 16:02 |
| eglute | yesterday during the board meeting board approved 2016.01.json guideline | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | \o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | as well as 2016A process document | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | \o/\o/ | 16:04 |
| eglute | had a couple questions, but nothing major. | 16:04 |
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| eglute | the next board meeting is at the end of February, so if we need something approved then, we can | 16:04 |
| eglute | #topic Electing DefCore CoChair during next meeting | 16:05 |
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| eglute | So the patch for changing defcore cochair description was out for a very short time | 16:05 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271908/ | 16:05 |
| eglute | markvoelker and Rob commented, but I didnt really get other feedback | 16:06 |
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| eglute | since it was a bit rushed, I want everyone to know that if we need to make changes to the process, we can. The reason for rushing was that the process document requires board approval | 16:06 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: I got the impression that moving to a WG was something Board wanted to move toward anyway, so I'm generally fine with it. | 16:07 |
| eglute | markvoelker correct. | 16:07 |
| eglute | I spoke to Alan Clark, chairman of the board, about Rob's replacement as a co-chair (not that he is easy to replace) | 16:08 |
| gema | what is a WG? | 16:08 |
| eglute | Working group | 16:08 |
| gema | ack | 16:08 |
| eglute | Committee usually implies board committee | 16:09 |
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| eglute | meaning, run by the board, responsible to the board | 16:09 |
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| eglute | DefCore WG would still require board oversight | 16:09 |
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| eglute | as is now, it will continue requiring approval to process documents as well as new capabilities | 16:09 |
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| eglute | the main change is that both cochairs would not be board appointed | 16:10 |
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| eglute | only one | 16:10 |
| eglute | if anyone have reservations/concerns about the change, i am available to talk about it here, or via email/phone. just let me know | 16:11 |
| eglute | i do hope that everyone sees this as a positive change | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: I think the change invites more community participation, so ++./ | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | makes perfect sense to me | 16:11 |
| eglute | markvoelker i agree! | 16:12 |
| gema | eglute: +1 | 16:12 |
| eglute | which brings up the next question: elections of the cochair | 16:12 |
| eglute | right now, the only requirement in the process document is that elections are announced 1 week before | 16:13 |
| eglute | and | 16:13 |
| eglute | One DefCore CoChair needs to be elected by DefCore working group. Election | 16:13 |
| eglute | quorum is composed of attendees present during the election meeting. | 16:13 |
| eglute | this means we have to figure out a good election process | 16:14 |
| eglute | i would like the voting people to be comprised of people that usually participate, or have participated in the defcore discussions | 16:14 |
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| eglute | and for people nominated/running to be active participants | 16:14 |
| eglute | one of the suggestions i received was for people running to submit a gerrit patch, and voters do +1. | 16:15 |
| * markvoelker notes that there was very brief discussion around this in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271908/ | 16:15 | |
| dwalleck | eglute: To handle nominations or the actual vote? | 16:16 |
| eglute | dwalleck suggestion was for both | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | eglute: Submit a patch to...what, exactly? E.g. are we creating a new text file that lists co-chairs or something? | 16:17 |
| eglute | another suggestion is to have it in some form during actual meeting | 16:17 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think it would be a patch to declare candidacy. voters would +1 their candidate. this might be too formal though | 16:17 |
| eglute | i am ok with IRC polling as well | 16:18 |
| eglute | but would like to hear ideas from others | 16:18 |
| gema | eglute: the voting in the same way you did the choosing of midcycle location would also work | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Hmm...I think I'd prefer something that doesn't require a specific time/place to cast a ballot so we can be more inclusive. E.g. not at an IRC meeting. But honestly everyone that's likely to cast a ballot it probably at our meetings anyway. | 16:19 |
| eglute | doodle? Yes, I agree. I thought of it | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | I don't mind the idea of nominations through Gerrit, but doing the actual voting in Gerrit might be a bit complicated | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | What about setting up a Condorcet? | 16:19 |
| purp | o/ (sorry to be late, catching up) | 16:19 |
| gema | markvoelker: yeah, but you are right, someone may miss a meeting due to other commitments and miss the opportunity to vote | 16:19 |
| eglute | markvoelker i thought of condorcet, that would mean we dont know who is voting i believe | 16:20 |
| eglute | hello purp we are discussing how to elect a cochair | 16:20 |
| purp | Got it. All caught up. | 16:20 |
| eglute | so, i am all for being inclusive, and we could open voting next week and close it one week later? whichever voting method we choose | 16:21 |
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| dwalleck | eglute: +1 | 16:21 |
| gema | eglute: +1 | 16:21 |
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| markvoelker | Works for me | 16:22 |
| purp | eglute +1 | 16:22 |
| eglute | now, the next question would be, open voting, where we see who votes for who, or closed | 16:22 |
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| purp | I'd suggest if you've attended *n* DefCore meetings over the past cycle/period/minute, you're a voter. | 16:22 |
| purp | It's equivalent to being an ATC to vote for PTL. | 16:23 |
| eglute | also, Rob has volunteered to be ombudsman for collecting votes if needed | 16:23 |
| eglute | purp i like that suggestion | 16:23 |
| dwalleck | I do also | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | Well, for this election the Board pretty much already set who gets a vote, no? "quorum is composed of attendees present during the election meeting." | 16:23 |
| purp | I think 12 > n > 3 | 16:23 |
| eglute | so, more than 3 meetings in 12 months? | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | But we could obviously fix that for next time | 16:24 |
| purp | markvoelker: Yeah, that was the bit I had a problem with. | 16:24 |
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| purp | I'd say 3+ meetings in past cycle/6 months. | 16:24 |
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| eglute | markvoelker purp -- we could amend that during February board meeting i think. I am ok with having one week long elections | 16:25 |
| eglute | and not insisting on being present during the meeting | 16:26 |
| purp | eglute: +1 to amend for Condorcet elections and a criteria for "ATCs" | 16:26 |
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| eglute | ok, I will work on the patch, but will wait for after these elections. I suspect we will have more changes | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | purp: I think I need to noodle on ATC criteria a bit. I like the idea of regular participation being more a metric than "contribution" (since we're not actually producing code here). Not quite sure how to structure it though. | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | Generally ++ on the idea though | 16:28 |
| eglute | so, for defcore ATC-- we do have irc logs, we would have to go through them and get a list of people | 16:28 |
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| purp | markvoelker: fair, and no hurry. Do you have a particular concern, or just generally uneasy? | 16:28 |
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| purp | eglute: Happy to write a snippet of code to do that. =] | 16:29 |
| * purp never gets to write much code these days. | 16:29 | |
| dwalleck | I think the summary at the end of each log lists the participants also | 16:29 |
| eglute | thanks purp! | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | Not a particular concern, just want to be sure we're setting good criteria. | 16:29 |
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| purp | #action purp to write a tool to summarize logged DefCore participation for a given time period | 16:30 |
| * eglute lets purp know over the last 6 months we used 3 different chat rooms and need to account for midcycles which were in person | 16:30 | |
| rockyg | Reviews of stuff would help as an indicaor | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | dwalleck: true, though not necessarily a good measure of "participation". E.g. you get your name on the log by simply saying o/. =) | 16:30 |
| rockyg | Everyone who "speaks" gets listed | 16:30 |
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| dwalleck | markvoelker: Very true :D | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker | Anyway, I suggest we table the discussion for the moment and think on it some more, then come prepared next week with suggestions (or just propose patches to the process doc). | 16:31 |
| eglute | i think the o/ at the end of the log indicates they were here, and most do speak. very rarely it is just o/ | 16:31 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: and sometime we forget to sau /o | 16:31 |
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| purp | markvoelker dwalleck rockyg: Figuring I'll start by summarizing the stats of attendance, # of meetings with participation, and overall IRC linecount during the period. | 16:31 |
| rockyg | or even o/ | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | purp: sounds useful | 16:32 |
| gema | and sometimes people have weird nicknames like catherineD|2 today | 16:32 |
| purp | markvoelker: at least gives us a dataset to look at | 16:32 |
| rockyg | Oh yeah, the attendance also has number of lines spoken... | 16:32 |
| eglute | So, when do we want to start elections? I am selfish and dont want to wait too long | 16:32 |
| * purp nods at rockyg | 16:32 | |
| catherineD|2 | gema: :-) | 16:32 |
| brunssen | I think the sooner we can start elections the better, but we need to make sure we allow enough time to gather quality candidates. | 16:33 |
| gema | eglute: as soon as we have a list of candidates? | 16:33 |
| gema | and voters | 16:33 |
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| rockyg | Well, one week after the list is complete.... | 16:33 |
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| purp | eglute: you intend this one by the "whoever's in the meeting" rule, correct? | 16:34 |
| eglute | how do we want to gather the list of candidates? self nominations? nominations by others? nominations via mailing list? | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | I think we can probably get started proposing candidates right away, just need to work out the mechanics of the voting. | 16:34 |
| brunssen | I think send an email and let the community know that we are going to hold an election and there is a two week window to raise your hand or be nominated | 16:34 |
| eglute | purp i think if there are enough objections i dont have to stick to that rule. I am ok with having one week long elections | 16:34 |
| rockyg | Yeah, my China comrades have already been pushing me. | 16:34 |
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| purp | Can I suggest that we mirror the PTL process relatively closely, then? | 16:35 |
| rockyg | They've finally gotten the hang of how to follow DefCore ;-) | 16:35 |
| eglute | which, if we have 1 week for candidates, 1 week to vote, that puts us out at least 2 weeks | 16:35 |
| rockyg | +1 on PTL process | 16:36 |
| purp | Take noms, self or other, determine what an ATC looks like here, then vote? | 16:36 |
| eglute | purp i like that | 16:36 |
| brunssen | +1 | 16:36 |
| dwalleck | 1 week for each seems fair | 16:36 |
| purp | rockyg: How? *I* still haven't got the hang of it. | 16:36 |
| eglute | Start nominations today? I will send out an email after the meeting | 16:36 |
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| rockyg | I'll give you a hand :-) | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | eglute: ++ | 16:36 |
| purp | eglute: +1 | 16:37 |
| brunssen | eglute: +1 | 16:37 |
| purp | eglute: If I nominate someone, do they have to ratify it? | 16:37 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Self nominations with statement in an email to list | 16:37 |
| eglute | nominations will close next week by 10 AM CST: is everyone ok with that? | 16:37 |
| * purp looks evilly at markvoelker and rockyg | 16:37 | |
| dwalleck | eglute: sounds good | 16:37 |
| eglute | purp yes, would like people to respond to the nomination accepting it | 16:37 |
| gema | purp: you probably don't want a cochair that doesn't have the time | 16:37 |
| gema | :D | 16:37 |
| rockyg | oh you sneaky purp! | 16:38 |
| brunssen | Yes, I agree, that the nominee has to accept to be on the ballot | 16:38 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 16:38 |
| eglute | so condorcet we need a list of voters emails, correct? | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: yes | 16:38 |
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| eglute | ok, we will need to get a list of emails based on IRC handles | 16:39 |
| rockyg | infra can help with the election. Or ttx | 16:39 |
| eglute | rockyg good idea | 16:39 |
| * purp is writing code already. | 16:40 | |
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| catherineD|2 | eglute: Also who can also get a list of people who had submitted, reviewed DefCore patches | 16:40 |
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| rockyg | catherineD|2, ++ | 16:41 |
| purp | catherineD|2 I can grab that from Stackalytics. | 16:41 |
| purp | Will grab commits, emails, reviews as contribs. | 16:41 |
| eglute | I propose voting period to be from February 3rd till February 9th. so by February 10 we can be done | 16:41 |
| catherineD|2 | great, I think that is one way to measure participation ... | 16:41 |
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| eglute | i agree on participation to include commits | 16:41 |
| rockyg | There can be reviewers that arn't on the IRC logs. They may not be able to make the meetings. But, that doesn't mean they don't follow all of this | 16:42 |
| eglute | right | 16:42 |
| eglute | so does anyone have issues with the timeline? nominations until next Wednesday, elections start next Wednesday, close before defcore meeting the following week? | 16:43 |
| gema | +1 | 16:43 |
| purp | I'm pretty sure I can have interesting data up in an etherpad by end of weekend. | 16:43 |
| rockyg | +1 | 16:43 |
| purp | +1 | 16:43 |
| * eglute thanks purp | 16:43 | |
| markvoelker | +1 | 16:43 |
| dwalleck | +1 | 16:43 |
| catherineD|2 | +1 | 16:44 |
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| * rockyg thinks purp knows more than he's letting on | 16:44 | |
| eglute | and eveyone ok with condorcet voting? | 16:44 |
| brunssen | +1 | 16:44 |
| rockyg | +1 | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | +1 | 16:45 |
| purp | +1 | 16:45 |
| dwalleck | +1 | 16:45 |
| purp | rockyg: yeah, but it's mostly '80s trivia and recipes for cooking game. | 16:45 |
| eglute | any other comments regarding elections? we will ask the board to approve new process during the february meeting | 16:45 |
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| rockyg | sounds like we have it | 16:46 |
| eglute | great, thank you everyone for your input. | 16:47 |
| eglute | #topic DefCore Capabilities should have more than one test. | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DefCore Capabilities should have more than one test. (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:47 | |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233814/ | 16:47 |
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| eglute | i dont think we have a consensus on this. I would suggest we either review it again, or drop it | 16:48 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: actually, I think it just needs a commit message update. The most recent patchset doesn't actually include a rule change at all. It's just a re-grouping of tests. | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | So it's no longer about whether or not Capabilities should have more than one test or not at all | 16:49 |
| eglute | ok, so if we update the commit message, move forward with regrouping? | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | (which was the controversial point) | 16:49 |
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| rockyg | I'd say ask for more reviews/comments on mailing list and if still quiet, go for it. | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | YEah, I think the regrouping was fine by most. | 16:49 |
| eglute | ok, sounds good to me | 16:49 |
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| eglute | markvoelker would you update the commit message? | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | eglute: sure, I can do that | 16:50 |
| eglute | thank you! | 16:50 |
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| eglute | #topic Next guideline will be 2016.08, to be approved during August 23rd board meeting. | 16:50 |
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| rockyg | markvoelker, could you take a look at my comment and see if I'm just an idiot? Might be a dupe line in the file... | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker will rewrite commit message for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233814/ and everyone will review | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: will do | 16:50 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker! | 16:50 |
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| markvoelker | rockyg: you're right, I'll remove the dupe too | 16:51 |
| * gema has to run early today, sorry! | 16:51 | |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 16:51 |
| eglute | regarding the next timeline, please review it in etherpad, see if it makes sense | 16:51 |
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| eglute | since there is no board meeting in July, the approval would happen in august. meaning, next guideline would be 2016.08 | 16:52 |
| * markvoelker notes that the scoring deadline is a couple weeks after the midcycle, so would love to have folks ready to discuss in Austin | 16:53 | |
| eglute | markvoelker good point | 16:53 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 16:53 |
| eglute | if there are no other questions/comments, next topic | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | Are we pretty firm on the date/place for that now, by the way? Enough that I should be booking a flight? | 16:54 |
| eglute | i am waiting for final confirmation from brunssen | 16:54 |
| brunssen | I am working with our facilities folks to get everything finalized. | 16:54 |
| rockyg | Oooh! At IBM again? Lonestar Motel, here I come! | 16:55 |
| brunssen | I am not worried about getting the space, just need to get final confirmation | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | Ok, cool. Just light the bat signal when we're good to go. =) | 16:55 |
| eglute | brunssen do you have estimated time for confirmation? | 16:55 |
| brunssen | I will do that. Hope to know by the end of the day today. | 16:55 |
| eglute | that would be great! | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | excellent | 16:55 |
| brunssen | Once I know, I will send an email to eglute so she can distribute to the team. | 16:55 |
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| purp | Cool. brunssen if something falls through, I can probably commit to hosting there, but need ~2 weeks notice to get contacts and logistics lined up. | 16:55 |
| eglute | and yes, Lone Star hotel has the best prices. I actually made reservations yesterday, thinking i can cancel just in case | 16:55 |
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| purp | Are we talking about http://www.lonestarcourt.com/ ? | 16:56 |
| eglute | yes | 16:56 |
| rockyg | It's a great place to congregate after, too. | 16:56 |
| rockyg | Yup | 16:56 |
| brunssen | There also a bunch of new hotels near the IBM site that look nice in case any of you are working on points or airline miles :-) | 16:56 |
| purp | Wow. Braker and Burnet has upgraded a bit since back when. | 16:56 |
| brunssen | The Domain is a very nice area | 16:57 |
| rockyg | ++ | 16:57 |
| eglute | brunssen yes, but that one my corporate tool told to book, since it is the cheapest at the moment. lots of great other options too | 16:57 |
| eglute | well, we are almost out of time | 16:57 |
| eglute | #topic DefCore submissions for OpenStack Summit | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DefCore submissions for OpenStack Summit (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:57 | |
| eglute | please submit defcore related proposals! | 16:57 |
| eglute | i submitted the working group session, but no others | 16:58 |
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| eglute | also, sorry markvoelker we ran out of time for your topic. move it to defcore irc or wait for next week? | 16:58 |
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| rockyg | With the progress refstack is making, we might be ready for a "corporate" show and tell and demo | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | It's not urgent; it'll keep till next week | 16:59 |
| eglute | rockyg that would be great! | 16:59 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:59 |
| catherineD|2 | rockyg: I think so ... The RefStack team is very busy in making this happens ... | 16:59 |
| eglute | i will be around in defcore irc if anyone wants to chat | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 16:59:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| brunssen | Thank you | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-27-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-27-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-27-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| sc68cal | hi all | 18:29 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:29 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 18:30:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:30 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 18:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 18:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #chair xgerman SridarK | 18:30 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal xgerman | 18:30 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:30 |
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| sc68cal | I've been a little busy with multinode grenade and MTUs this week and haven't had a chance to do any fwaas stuff | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | SridarK and xgerman - if you guys have anything to drive today's meeting please do | 18:32 |
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| xgerman | same here - lot’s of internal stuff for me + getting used to versioned objects takes time | 18:32 |
| bharathm | o/ | 18:32 |
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| annp | Hi | 18:32 |
| xgerman | we need to figure out who does the versioned objects... | 18:32 |
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| xgerman | I might be able to but will be a while | 18:33 |
| xgerman | so if somebody has spare cycles... | 18:33 |
| SridarK | i too have been on some internal stuff, but i am beginning to get something basic for fw policy going then i can get a basic fw group methods in | 18:33 |
| xgerman | cool | 18:33 |
| SridarK | then we can look at the agent communication | 18:33 |
| SridarK | yes i have not started looking at the versioned objects either - i need to get a basic fw group standing b4 even getting there | 18:34 |
| SridarK | i will try to have something up by end of the week | 18:34 |
| xgerman | yeah, they seem like a pain | 18:34 |
| SridarK | then we can start discussing the agent interface | 18:34 |
| xgerman | so i will keep poking at those then... | 18:34 |
| SridarK | yes seems like more understanding is needed on that | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | will Aish have some cycles to help as well | 18:35 |
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| xgerman | yep | 18:36 |
| SridarK | ok that is good | 18:36 |
| xgerman | I will try to loop her in… | 18:36 |
| SridarK | great | 18:36 |
| xgerman | jwarendts said he will have some CLI patch up soon | 18:37 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i will add some stuff around policy and fw group to the db patch | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: ok | 18:37 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we all will need to chain on that patch | 18:37 |
| xgerman | which brings me to our dev startegy | 18:38 |
| xgerman | in LBaaS we were running a 8 patch deep chain for V2 | 18:38 |
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| xgerman | alternaticely we can merge things since they don’t do anything (especially DB) | 18:38 |
| sc68cal | lets defer that decision. | 18:39 |
| xgerman | dependency chains are painful… so I would prefer merging whenever possible | 18:39 |
| xgerman | sc68cal ok | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | I don't think we should merge things just for the sake of merging. We'd need to have very good unit test coverage before considering that | 18:39 |
| xgerman | well, can we get the DB part to get there? | 18:40 |
| SridarK | yes having some things merge make it easier to deal with but i think this is something that is frowned upon to push things without the backend | 18:40 |
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| xgerman | dependency chains it is ;-) | 18:40 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:40 |
| mickeys | I have also been sidetracked by other stuff over the past week, but I have managed to spend some cycles bringing my colleague Sukanya up to speed. She will be helping me out with the firewall driver. | 18:41 |
| xgerman | yeah!! | 18:41 |
| sc68cal | also - please make sure you are setting your topic correctly when pushing patches to gerrit - the -t option of "git review" | 18:41 |
| SridarK | oh good that we can add another resource | 18:41 |
| Aish | SridarK: yes, I shall work along with xgerman | 18:41 |
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| mickeys | We need to focus on changes to Neutron security groups first. Two changes we are looking at. One is singleton for conntrack management, with some restructuring to get all the conntrack stuff under the conntrack manager. | 18:42 |
| mickeys | The other one is the jump to the firewall chain. We want to investigate a singleton approach, should be a lot cleaner than a jump from security groups to firewall and sprinkling is_sg_enabled all over the place. | 18:43 |
| xgerman | is anyone going to the neutron mid cycle to champion those patches? | 18:43 |
| xgerman | (anyone with travel budget:-) | 18:43 |
| mickeys | Not planning to | 18:43 |
| SridarK | or mickey u can make ur boss a proxy ;-) | 18:43 |
| mickeys | Not a bad thought ... | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: on the topic - it should be fwaas_v2_api correct ? | 18:44 |
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| xgerman | well, our lt. dougwig should also be working for us there :-) | 18:44 |
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| sc68cal | skath_: yep | 18:45 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: yep | 18:45 |
| SridarK | good thx | 18:45 |
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| mickeys | For the driver, I put fwaas_v2_driver through the patch, after pushing the first patch set | 18:45 |
| mickeys | through the web | 18:45 |
| mickeys | I think one of the other patch sets was just fwaas_v2 | 18:46 |
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| xgerman | I am I think I ignored that alltogether | 18:46 |
| mickeys | xgerman: Your patch set currently has topic "l2_agent" | 18:48 |
| mickeys | Roey's is the one with topic "fwaas_v2" | 18:48 |
| xgerman | yep, that’s what I meant... | 18:48 |
| sc68cal | let's try and fix our topics up - so that we can easily see the whole chain of patches | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | the easiest thing to do is create a branch in your local git repo - git review uses that for the topic | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | so ... fwaas_v2_api as your branch | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | err | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | fwaas_api_v2 | 18:49 |
| * sc68cal grumbles | 18:49 | |
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| xgerman | ok, will do for future patches | 18:49 |
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| xgerman | and also chain mine on top of FDB | 18:50 |
| xgerman | DB | 18:50 |
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| xgerman | since I need the versioned objects | 18:50 |
| SridarK | i think the dependency chain is like: REST -- DB -- Plugin -- Agent -- Driver | 18:51 |
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| xgerman | well, then we need another patch | 18:51 |
| xgerman | REST-DB-versioned Objects - Plugin -... | 18:52 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: has the resource ext patch out i believe | 18:52 |
| SridarK | ok so for this versioned obj now will need another patchset ? | 18:53 |
| xgerman | or we shoehorn that into the plugin | 18:53 |
| SridarK | we can do that too | 18:53 |
| xgerman | I just thought if Aish/I work on that an extra patch would be better | 18:54 |
| SridarK | thats fine - whichever is easier | 18:54 |
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| xgerman | I think an extra patch gives us more flexibility | 18:54 |
| Aish | +1 | 18:55 |
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| SridarK | other things to discuss ? | 18:57 |
| xgerman | I am good | 18:57 |
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| SridarK | if no one has other points to discuss we can get some time back | 18:58 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:58 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 18:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-27-18.30.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-27-18.30.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-27-18.30.log.html | 18:58 |
| SridarK | Bye all | 18:58 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:59 |
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| matt-borland | o/ | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 27 20:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| matt-borland | hola | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | ( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | :) | 20:01 |
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| piet | o/ | 20:02 |
| bpokorny_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | Let's roll | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | We tagged M-2 last week | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | so we're officially in the race to the end | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | target date for M-3 March 3rd | 20:03 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:03 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | is essentially the same as last week | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | so I won't belabor it | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | I don't have any other general items. There were a couple on the agenda | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s_afk | o/ | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-01-27_2000_UTC | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Categorizing incoming bugs | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Categorizing incoming bugs (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:07 | |
| tsufiev | I thought now there should be much fewer opened themization patches :) | 20:07 |
| hurgleburgler | :-O | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng added this item, but I think I can speak to it | 20:08 |
| hurgleburgler | I can help with that | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | the volume of bugs that comes in to Horizon via launchpad is quite large | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | it would be worlds better to have someone actively watching them as they come in to triage/classify them | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | otherwise we get into our current state with 400 uncategorized bugs | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | when we were smaller, I could watch that too, but I cannot handle that any more | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: did you volunteer? | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | I think hurgleburgler volunteered | 20:10 |
| hurgleburgler | I can help out | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | lol | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I should have not said anything else | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:10 |
| hurgleburgler | I can help categorize, but I can't say I'd be the only one ;) | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | it's a gloriously rewarding pleasure cruise | 20:11 |
| matt-borland | I can help hurgleburgler | 20:11 |
| hurgleburgler | david-lyle I'm not sure I believe you | 20:11 |
| tqtran | so as we move away from a central horizon to plugin, we can encourage people to file bug their own respective repo instead | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | I'm working on reducing the total too. We've knocked about 1/3 off the uncategorised since first bug day, and about 120 from total iirc. | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | tqtran: We've already removed all the trove and sahara bugs. | 20:12 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | These are mostly outs. | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | ours* | 20:12 |
| tqtran | ew... gl matt-borland and hurgleburgler! | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | many bugs I´ve seen there are actually feature requests | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | thank you matt-borland and hurgleburgler | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:12 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: we do have the wishlist category | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: If they are small, wishlist, if big, mark invalid and ask for blueprint. | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | I give up on trying to figure out how OpenStack thinks bugs and features should be tracked | 20:13 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, robcresswell: got it | 20:13 |
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| david-lyle | matt-borland, hurgleburgler I will add you to the horizon-bug team so you can do the things | 20:14 |
| hurgleburgler | ┏(＾0＾)┛┗(＾0＾) ┓ | 20:14 |
| * matt-borland updating todo list | 20:14 | |
| * tsufiev imagines whole Horizon community walks in one of intra task-tracking sessions and start demanding new task tracker | 20:14 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | "congrats" hurgleburgler an matt-borland :-) | 20:14 |
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| tsufiev | I join the congratulations :) | 20:15 |
| tyr_ | Would "bug review" fit as a natural, regular part of each release? Say...the first 2 weeks after a Summit? | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | ok added | 20:16 |
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| tsufiev | tyr_, unfortunately bugs are being added all the time :( | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | tyr_: I would prefer an ongoing process | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | tyr_: No, its too constant to do it that way | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | We'd be ignoring 5.5 months of bugs every time | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | my biggest concern is missing High/Critical defects | 20:16 |
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| tsufiev | tyr_, besides that we had already 2 Bug Days | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | Plus RC1 is already supposed to be bug cleanup time. | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | that could have been fixed prior to release | 20:17 |
| tyr_ | I understand that, and am not suggesting there isn't regular maintenance...just curious about having a bug party phase of the release. Perhaps it is already RC1. | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | tyr_: certainly not a bad endeavor for the weeks between release and summit | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | I have enough difficulty recruiting people for a single bug day :) | 20:18 |
| tyr_ | e.g. please don't pester the cores about our pet features during this window because we are collectively focused on bugs. Just an idea. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | but that's mostly the RC cycle for cores | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | or at least should be | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | I'm for anything that raises the visibility of bugs and their solutions :) | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | even to the detriment of landing features | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | but I'm going to move on | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (aka "new bugs") | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | #topic QA and Cross project liaison, need a volunteer | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | There are a ton of cross project liaison roles for each project in OpenStack | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | these two are currently open | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | what are QA liason responsibilities? | 20:22 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: quite honestly, for Horizon not much | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | oh, Tempest/Grenade, I´m staying away from that | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: well think about our tempest footprint, 1 test | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | additionally, it's on my list to make that a tempest plugin | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | but if that is related to integration testing of Horizon against the rest of Openstack, I may sign in | 20:23 |
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| tyr_ | I'm interested in the Cross Project Spec Liaison. | 20:24 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, is there any place besides https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#QA with some info about this role? | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: not that I'm aware of | 20:25 |
| tqtran | i will sign up for zaqar and trove | 20:25 |
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| tsufiev | ok, I´ll other QA liasons | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | and since all liaison roles default to me if no one occupies it, I can tell you that I don't recall anything that was required, but I do write tempest and devstack patches for horizon | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | as required | 20:26 |
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| hurgleburgler | david-lyle I need one of those devstack patches, btw | 20:27 |
| tqtran | we have our own liason list too right? | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | tyr_ you'll mainly just need to review the cross project specs | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: not that I'm aware of | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | maybe in an etherpad somewhere | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | There's an interproject liaison list too if anyone is working with specific projects. | 20:27 |
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| tqtran | i could have sworn i saw a liason list for horizon somewhere | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | those who volunteered please enter your name | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | tyr_: Yeah, just need to pop up in the weekly meetings and let us know if there are any cross-project plans we should be aware of. | 20:28 |
| tqtran | as in, horizon people checking out other projects to make sure we are in sync with their api | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, ha, hope they have some courses for new QA liaisons on how to write devstack patches :))) | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | tyr_: you will find that since our architecture is so different from the other services that little applies to us directly | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: they are mostly horizon code change driven | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | ping me | 20:29 |
| tyr_ | Ok. I'm assuming things like WebSSO where Horizon has a role to play in the overall experience. | 20:29 |
| tyr_ | I'll add my name. | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | tyr_: nothing that topical | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:30 |
| tyr_ | ha! Ok, maybe a background task, but seems like good breadth opportunity. | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | tyr_: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:+openstack/openstack-specs+status:+open,n,z | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | I'll keep watching too, because I can't help myself | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | Are there any meetings relevant to the cross-project specs? | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I'm not entirely sure any more | 20:32 |
| tyr_ | wiki claims one on Feb 2nd | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | with the shift roll of the cross-project meeting, I'm uncertain as to it's intent anymore | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | at one point it was to discuss cross-project specs | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | additionally there is #openstack-meeting-cp but it doesn't seem to be used | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | here's my cynical take, we're replacing all the parts of the car while in motion and I'm not certain what pieces are back, what have changed or why | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | anyway | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | thanks to the volunteers | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:35 |
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| robcresswell | Just a reminder for mid-cycle attendees: Fill in your name etc, and put topic ideas on the etherpad | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonMitakaSprint | 20:36 |
| hurgleburgler | Would it be possible to get some eyes and testing help with : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252161/ | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | by filling in your name and email, I can get your internet access set up at Intel ahead of time | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | btw, why is everyones email AT and DOT instead of @ . ? Did I miss a memo? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: not easily scraped | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, spammers don´t sleep? | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Ah, makes sense. | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | just like tsufiev | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | doesn't sleep | 20:38 |
| tsufiev | I´m not a spammer :D | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | idk, interview doodle says otherwise tsufiev... | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | :D | 20:39 |
| tqtran | tsufiev: you spam the horizon reviews, stop it! | 20:39 |
| hurgleburgler | LOL | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | no don't ! | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:39 |
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| tsufiev | circling back to serious business :)... | 20:40 |
| tsufiev | do most of people here look through mitaka-priorities etherpad? Would it make sense if I wrote down the list of new integration tests ready for review (on a regular basis)? | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | or provide the link to the gerrit topic at least | 20:40 |
| hurgleburgler | tsufiev are you adding them to the weekly bug report? | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: I have a potentially better (and selfish) idea. Use the weekly bug report, put a couple on each week. | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | that wasn't on the agenda! | 20:41 |
| tqtran | ok, since we have some time, i also like to bring up the plugin doc again. its high on priority atm but not getting enough love https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233709/ can we agree to push it through and make amends, the information is useful enough | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | I've gotten slow on updating it, because its quite time consuming to do it on my own each week | 20:41 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: Yeah, its 2-3 weeks out of date iirc. | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | ah ok | 20:41 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, hurgleburgler: okay, works either for me | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | I'd like it if people could sensibly drop a patch or two in, and I'll moderate it anyway. I'm going through the bug list in my spare time, and when thats properly in order we can drop the weekly report I hope. | 20:42 |
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| tqtran | there are a few follow on docs that i would really like to get started on, but that cant happen until this one goes through | 20:42 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, I´ll just put there new integration tests and bump the date every week. If anyone would like add their bugs/bps, they´re welcome | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: That would be great, thanks! | 20:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think it'd be good if hurgleburgler and matt-borland could punt the hard-to-reproduce bugs (ie. require edge cases or obscure openstack components to reproduce) to the group | 20:43 |
| hurgleburgler | r1chardj0n3s +100 | 20:43 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, to me this is only a question of moderating - to ensure that every bug/bp mentioned somehow fits our priorities for current release cycle | 20:43 |
| matt-borland | yes, that would be good | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | should use the weekly bug report for that | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I don't expect them to be able to reproduce every bug, r1chardj0n3s, its just useful to have someone to keep the moving target-ness down | 20:43 |
| matt-borland | ah, ok | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: yeah, but we need to flag the hard-to-reproduce ones so they don't just sit and pile up :-) | 20:44 |
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| robcresswell | May be worth going over the bug tags so that people with specific expertise can check. Like scale requirements, or specific component setups. | 20:45 |
| tqtran | its no fun when you have to restack to test something though. i usually lose a day trying to reproduce and get no where. | 20:45 |
| tsufiev | in an ideal world the scenario for bug reproduction would be a devstack config/script... | 20:45 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | yep, and I've lost a day to trying to set up some part of openstack that I've never used before | 20:45 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: heh, and a pony! | 20:45 |
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| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, if you find a pony who could write devstack scipts :)... | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | as I stated above "it's a gloriously rewarding pleasure cruise" | 20:46 |
| * tsufiev looking for such pony for at least 1 year | 20:46 | |
| robcresswell | If we got stackalytics to track karma, our bugs would be gone in a day. | 20:46 |
| hurgleburgler | maybe if we get enough people on the list, we can make it a rotating duty | 20:46 |
| hurgleburgler | weekly | 20:46 |
| * ducttape_ wonders about noro-virus on dave's cruise | 20:46 | |
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| david-lyle | if the bug is vague and provides no clues for its reproduction, mark it incomplete | 20:46 |
| hurgleburgler | if we have 4 people, then we can take a week a month | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: it's a mix of cruise ship/oregon trail | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | hurgleburgler: Can you and Matt alternate? | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Might make it easier to maintain, keeps it less time consuming. | 20:47 |
| hurgleburgler | robcresswell thought you were going to help too? | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | I'm trying to work through the backlog. | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: is keen on the past | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Hey I got about 50 categorised so far this week. | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Its time consuming :) | 20:48 |
| hurgleburgler | can we work some backlogging into the current persons rotation? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | \o/ | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | hurgleburgler: No need to overload, I think. Just keep on top of the new reports. If you have spare time, then by all means have at it. | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | tqtran: I'll look through the docs again. The last comment I left (patch set.. 15?) was a complete blocker to betherly the other day. | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | We need to double check its complete otherwise it doesnt save anyone time. | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | there is a point of contention around pbr in there | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | I will comment in the review | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | but mandating pbr is not great | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | Ah, okay, maybe my misunderstanding then. | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | ok for openstack/plugin-x, less great for company-y/plugin-x | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | probably both should be documented | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | eventually | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | I'm happy with getting a minimum viable doc situation, but it has to definitely work the whole way through for a new plugin. | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Otherwise I lose half a day debugging plugins that I'm unfamiliar with | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Not ideal :) | 20:53 |
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| robcresswell | As I said, I'll check it again, it looks mostly all done. I can carry it too if you're short on time tqtran. | 20:54 |
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| tqtran | its basically the same steps that i took for zaqar ui, which is last week | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | or just fed up of my reviews :p | 20:54 |
| tqtran | and its proven to work, i might have missed a few things here or there, but the bulk of the info is valid and should work | 20:54 |
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| tqtran | i'll also verify again end of today | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | Thanks | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | let's get something in | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | and improve | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | I don't think something wildly inaccurate is acceptable | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | but reasonably accurate | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | Sure | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | if we release without it :( | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | It needs to be part of the release. I'm sure we can merge it within the next couple days. | 20:56 |
| tqtran | great, i can start documenting plugin localization and workflow extensions once it lands | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | 3 minutes | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Sounds good | 20:57 |
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| david-lyle | anyone else? | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | \o | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 27 20:59:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-27-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-27-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-27-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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