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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 13:58 |
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| elmiko | hi | 13:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 14:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | hi | 14:00 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:00 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko saharaclient tests blocked by the patch to tempest that are fixing heat tests | 14:00 |
| mionkin | hi | 14:00 |
| huichun | hi | 14:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak ping, could you please confirm? | 14:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack, i just saw the email (thanks tosky) | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry, just wake up, not yet read email | 14:02 |
| tosky | maybe it's a different issue? | 14:02 |
| tosky | the one I mentioned on the channel is about kilo branch | 14:02 |
| elmiko | i've been doing a bunch of api v2 stuff, and working on releasing a security bug (have been researching the effects of the vulnerability), also looking at doing more bandit based cleanup. | 14:02 |
| tosky | I put the item on the agenda | 14:02 |
| AndreyPavlov | was working on bug with fields unset via client, on periodic tasks spec and cli import/export spec | 14:02 |
| tmckay | I revived the discussion about substring searches on sahara objects ,,, | 14:02 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: oh right, you meant about the patch i added yesterday for saharaclient? | 14:02 |
| elmiko | tosky: saw that, thanks! | 14:03 |
| esikachev | i am working on adding sahara-ci for stable releases of sahara in sahara-scenario repo | 14:03 |
| egafford | Not much upstream progress on Sahara this week I fear; diving back in today. | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko not sure, browser crashed and I lost all links ;) | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov: I think that tests blocked by problems with installing sahara | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak it's about stable branch I think, I'm talking about sahara client | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've been unable to work on the summit proposals, will do it today for sure elmiko tmckay egafford | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | I've been working on implementation of health checks, let's review the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270156/ | 14:05 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: has our scenario tests been ready? | 14:05 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, ack, thanks | 14:05 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, for the sahara design sessions? | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev is responsible for it, but I think that they a ready for the almost half year :) | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I mean main summit proposals | 14:06 |
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| elmiko | ah, gotcha | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've been looking at the dashboard for possible minor improvements. Some changes on review | 14:07 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: I can write up an abstract for the general "state of Sahara" proposal. I'll post links to a draft for review later today. | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford okay, great | 14:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'll try to find prev. year proposals, if I'll be faster I'll share it with you :) | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Separated launchpad for sahara-dashboard | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Separated launchpad for sahara-dashboard (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything changed? any new objections or concerns? | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (current decision is to track them in sahara project) | 14:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no changes that I've noticed | 14:11 |
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| elmiko | we did have a question in channel about where to log dashboard bugs, i just directed them towards the sahara launchpad and asked that they put "[UI]" in the subject | 14:11 |
| tosky | elmiko: and a tag too | 14:12 |
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| tosky | elmiko: dashboard tag | 14:12 |
| elmiko | tosky: ooh, good idea, i did not mention that | 14:12 |
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| tosky | it's not my idea, it has been like that forever :) | 14:13 |
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| elmiko | well, my bad for forgetting... | 14:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I like both prefix and tag | 14:16 |
| elmiko | agreed | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so seems like we're still ok with keeping dashboard issues in sahara project | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but with [UI] prefix and some tag | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not some, but "dashboard" | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if yes, I'll add dashboard to tags | 14:17 |
| tosky | I thought it was already there, isn't it in use? | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there is a list of "project tags", that will be suggested by autocompletion | 14:18 |
| tosky | oh, I see | 14:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic API v2 progress | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API v2 progress (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
| elmiko | hey | 14:20 |
| elmiko | so, i've got a couple things to note | 14:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212172/ | 14:20 |
| elmiko | still working to get the main spec review merged | 14:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:21 |
| elmiko | that is an initial poc for the v2 endpoints, as described in the spec | 14:21 |
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| elmiko | and i'm curious if we can close this blueprint | 14:21 |
| elmiko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/v2-api-pecan-framework | 14:21 |
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| egafford | That does look pretty closeable at this point... | 14:22 |
| tmckay | I am ++ for merging the v2 API spec, I think it's solid | 14:22 |
| elmiko | that's what i thought, but i wanted to get some feedback before i went all crazy in the blueprints ;) | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | anyways, that's it for my api v2 update. any questions, comments, concerns? | 14:23 |
| tmckay | we should merge the spec and move on to sub-specs for features :) | 14:24 |
| * tmckay my comment | 14:24 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll close pecan bp | 14:25 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 14:25 |
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| tmckay | then we can each sign up for an endpoint, and have half a dozen or more done before Mitaka ends | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm very sorry for no reviews for the last period, I've very busy on internal stuff, but it should be much better starting next week | 14:26 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | great! | 14:26 |
| elmiko | (and i hope the internal stuff has gone well) | 14:26 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, that's what I've been saying ;-) | 14:26 |
| * egafford empathizes with SergeyLukjanov, and is glad that his internal stuff is starting to wrap up. | 14:27 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx, going well, was too time consuming, but should be more localized now ;) | 14:28 |
| tmckay | egaffrod, elmiko, vgridnev, sreshetnyak, btw, thank you very, very much for keeping reviews going while SL and I were distracted :) | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:28 |
| tmckay | you all have done great work, imho | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:28 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, that's correct | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm really happy that we have no bottleneck on reviews | 14:28 |
| egafford | I had a question about merging minor changes (that are too small to need a blueprint and/or bug, or otherwise inappropriate for blueprints and bugs). | 14:29 |
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| huichun | tmckay: can we submit scenario patch into Sahara-scenario now? | 14:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yup, it's ready to accept patches I think | 14:30 |
| vgridnev | huichun, you are always can | 14:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev could you confirm? | 14:30 |
| egafford | I'd like to propose that we have a 'MinorChange' tag, which we require in the commit message whenever we post a change that we think shouldn't need a bug, and have it be understood that review of whether we agree is part of the review in that case. | 14:30 |
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| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: yes | 14:30 |
| huichun | vgridnev: thx VG | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford I think that lack of bug or blueprint is equal to tagging by MinorChange :) | 14:31 |
| egafford | I think it's probably good that we sometimes allow minor changes through with launchpad artifact, but I'd like there to be *some* process around doing it. | 14:31 |
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| elmiko | egafford: just to help signal to others not to ask for a bug? | 14:31 |
| esikachev | in sahara-scenario now implemented ci for sahara from master | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I would say in the beast case there should be no such patches | 14:31 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov, elmiko: I think the difference is that there's intention when someone puts a tag on. | 14:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | best* | 14:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but someone anyway could disagree and say - hey, it should be a bug but not MinorChange tag | 14:32 |
| egafford | Saying "I am thinking about it, and think we don't need a launchpad artifact" is different than "I may not have even thought about this at all". | 14:32 |
| egafford | Right, that's part of the review. | 14:32 |
| egafford | Right now it's implicit, I'm proposing we make it explicit, so at least we all know what we're thinking. | 14:32 |
| elmiko | egafford: i get what you are saying, just thinking about it | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm not sure that it'll work as you want, but I'm ok if you want to try | 14:33 |
| egafford | I don't think this is a terrifically important issue, but I think it'd help in those cases where there's active discussion of whether a bug/artifact is needed. | 14:33 |
| tosky | did we have that in the past? I've mostly seen the sequence "bug opened->review posted" even for things which didn't require a bug | 14:34 |
| elmiko | yea, i guess this is one of those issue where if someone puts a "-1 this needs a bug", you can answer by putting "MinorChange" in the commit message? | 14:34 |
| tosky | the other way round (review opened for a bug when the bug was required) are not so common | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I'm working on the OpenStack deployment architecture in containers on top of Mesos / Marathon (in upstream, it's kolla + kolla-mesos) | 14:35 |
| elmiko | tosky: we also get small patches to fix minor things (like spelling, or line arrangement, etc) | 14:35 |
| egafford | elmiko: Or hopefully, you can put MinorChange in the commit message, and then people can know not to "-1 this needs a bug" unless they really think it's a big enough issue to need a bug (rather than just a point of protocol -1.) | 14:35 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ooh, neat! | 14:35 |
| egafford | Sweet! | 14:35 |
| tosky | elmiko: and code refactor, is that minorchange always which require a bug or blueprint? (the answer could be yes) | 14:35 |
| elmiko | egafford: right, if you think about it ahead of time | 14:35 |
| elmiko | tosky: yea, good question | 14:35 |
| tmckay | egafford, ++. At the very least it indicates that it's not a mistake | 14:35 |
| egafford | tmckay: Right, differentiating between mistake and intent is the whole case here. | 14:36 |
| elmiko | i think the tough part is going to be if we start getting reviews with "MinorChange" in lieu of creating bugs... | 14:36 |
| elmiko | (not sure if that would happen, just speculating) | 14:37 |
| egafford | We don't have to decide now, certainly. It's the first time I've raised the notion to the team. elmiko: Yeah, it's possible that people would take it as license to be terrible at Launchpad; absolutely. | 14:37 |
| tmckay | tosky, it depends how big the refactor is, I think | 14:37 |
| elmiko | i would hope not ;) | 14:37 |
| elmiko | tosky, tmckay, yea.. it's a case-by-case type of thing with refactors | 14:38 |
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| AndreyPavlov | folks, i want to know if there are any concerns about this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272503/ ? or should i make the same for all other resources? | 14:38 |
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| elmiko | AndreyPavlov: my only concern is that our saharaclient impl might start to drift from the rest api with respect to updates, but as long as we document how this works for the client i'm ok | 14:40 |
| egafford | elmiko: Well, I think this is more of a difference in absence handling between rest and python than a drift between the rest API and the client. IMO this makes the client *more* like the REST API (in that now the client doesn't inject or omit values that the REST API wouldn't.) | 14:42 |
| egafford | It's certainly a drift between client versions, though. | 14:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov, elmiko, should we probably keep __repr__ printing None? (crazy idea, need more coffee) | 14:43 |
| elmiko | ok, fair. honestly, i'm having some trouble remembering how our rest api is accepting updates (probably been doing too much cross-project review) | 14:43 |
| elmiko | updating resources is a pita anyways... | 14:44 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: That could make it impossible to determine whether a value in your dict is actually None on debug, or special None that isn't None. | 14:45 |
| egafford | I like the __repr__ being different. | 14:45 |
| elmiko | having the repr be NotUpdated is just helpful for the internal update | 14:46 |
| tmckay | I think this looks good, strictly internal except for the __repr__. I agree with egafford for debug help | 14:46 |
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| elmiko | until we can change the way updates are handled through the rest, i think it makes sense *internally* | 14:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford agree with None isn't None | 14:48 |
| AndreyPavlov | i guess current __repr__ is fine, just to show that it's not None by default and that you can pass None and it will lead to different consequences | 14:48 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | makes sense | 14:48 |
| AndreyPavlov | will update the patch soon | 14:49 |
| AndreyPavlov | and also, there are two specs on review, i would appreciate if you could take a look on them) thanks in advance) | 14:49 |
| AndreyPavlov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273547/ | 14:49 |
| AndreyPavlov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272569/ | 14:49 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, NikitaKonovalov, did you guys want to talk about the summit presentation now or after the meeting? | 14:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov will it be possible to conf the default coordinator to not have coordinator at all? | 14:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we can do that after the meeting | 14:52 |
| elmiko | k | 14:52 |
| AndreyPavlov | SergeyLukjanov: sure | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, let's do in #openstack-sahara | 14:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 3 mins left | 14:56 |
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| elmiko | i have a quick question about changing our version reponse | 14:56 |
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| elmiko | the body you get from a GET / | 14:57 |
| elmiko | can we change this response without requiring a major version update? | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | or can we only change it once v2 is supported and v1.1 is deprecated? | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko hm | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what are proposing to output? | 14:58 |
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| elmiko | there is a guideline working it's way through the api-wg now, and there is evidence to show that sahara is pretty far off from what other services respond with for their versions | 14:58 |
| elmiko | look at this, #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 14:59 |
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| elmiko | i'm hoping we can do something more informative in the future | 14:59 |
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| elmiko | anyways, food for thought ;) | 15:00 |
| elmiko | times up | 15:00 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov... ;) | 15:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 15:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-28-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-28-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-28-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 15:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Hi | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| pavel_bondar | Hi | 15:01 |
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| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#January_28st.2C_2016 | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Deadline for talks submissions for Austin Summit is February 1st. If you are planning a talk, don't miss the deadline | 15:03 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:03 |
| neiljerram | hi | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: you are chair, so you can drive if you want..... | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | Any other announcements from the team? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | You're doing great. | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | Not much change since last week in regards to bugs. We don't have any critical | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | And we have the same 2 High importance bugs from last week | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | First up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | It has a revision ready for review since a week ago: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Sam Morrison gave it a +1, indicating that he has deployed the fix in his install and it fixed the problem | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | So I encourage the team to take a look and give it some review love | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | Any other comments from the team? | 15:08 |
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| * carl_baldwin will take a look | 15:09 | |
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| mlavalle | Ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527089 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527089 in neutron "[ipam] Port ID is not present in port dict that is passed to AddressRequestFactory" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:09 |
| johnbelamaric | I just tagged that liberty-backport-potential - I'd like to see it in stable/liberty if possible | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Thanks johnbelamaric | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Proposed fix is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259697/ | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | It only needs one more +2 and is ready to go | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Any other comments? | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: thanks for your hard work on this one! | 15:11 |
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| johnbelamaric | we have the RFE on ipam migration too | 15:11 |
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| johnbelamaric | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516156 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516156 in neutron "[RFE] IPAM migration from non-pluggable to pluggable" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:12 |
| johnbelamaric | do we cover that in bugs? | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: yeah, go ahead | 15:12 |
| johnbelamaric | Ok, so, just want bring up that pavel_bondar will be working that one next | 15:12 |
| neiljerram | Good news | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: what do you think its importance should be? | 15:13 |
| johnbelamaric | he has some questions in the bug report if anyone has an opinion | 15:13 |
| neiljerram | FYI I have an Outreachy intern working on a pluggable IPAM module; spec about that should be posted within the next few days | 15:13 |
| tidwellr | glad to see this RFE | 15:13 |
| johnbelamaric | I think it's important to get into M so we can start moving people off of builtin IPAM | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I just noticed I need to review those comments. Will do soon | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: ++ | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: ok, I'll assign high to it, so we track it every week here | 15:14 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: thank you | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | also it looks like it is still open question about best way to trigger data migration (operator or automatically), so comments on this topic are appreciated | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: it is the so should be wishlist | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Rfe | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: got it | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs that should be brought to the team's attention? | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Network Segments | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm going to update this spec today | 15:17 |
| * mlavalle points out that the new spec and the Nova spec url's were updated in the agenda | 15:18 | |
| carl_baldwin | I've had some great discussions at the nova mid cycle and with armax. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | It'll be the same direction with some more detail. | 15:18 |
| neiljerram | cool | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:19 |
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| vikram_ | nice | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | That's it for now | 15:20 |
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| neiljerram | we're also on the agenda for the next ML2 meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_February_3.2C_2016 | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | any questions for carl_baldwin? | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: thanks. I'll need to get up to speed on this. | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: what do they intend to discuss? | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | #undo | 15:22 |
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| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, Nothing in particular, I believe; was triggered simply by me asking 'how do you feel about how routed spec is proposing to use multiprovider extension' | 15:23 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, I was trying to be as neutral asa pos | 15:23 |
| neiljerram | ...as possible, but engage their attention. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: ok | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | ok.... moving on | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:24 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:24 |
| vikram_ | hi | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr, vikram_: hi | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks, I think that's all | 15:25 |
| vikram_ | We have fall back to service plugin framework | 15:26 |
| vikram_ | Needs review help | 15:26 |
| tidwellr | we're closing in on being functionally complete | 15:26 |
| tidwellr | we know of a small handful of bugs, but I think we have those in hand | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | and the target for this is Mitaka-3, right? | 15:27 |
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| vikram_ | yes | 15:27 |
| tidwellr | there's a WIP patch for the DVR-aware route lookups that is the only patch that needs serious iteration | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: are there patches ready to go now? | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | we're ready serious for review attention, especially on the CRUD patches | 15:29 |
| * tidwellr gets the review links | 15:29 | |
| * mlavalle will post them in the team's wiki | 15:29 | |
| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207607/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207607/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207607/ | 15:30 |
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| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing+status:open | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | vikram_, tidwellr: thanks | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | we even have devstack integration and API tests running in the gate now | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | so we're really close | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | that's all I have | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | any other questions from the team? | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: thanks. Are the links in order of readiness? | 15:32 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: readiness corresponds with place in the chain of reviews | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: thanks. Too bad the new gerrit ui makes that harder to follow. | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll muddle through | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I know :( | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | Last week, we merged the code for external DNS integration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | Thanks to all the team members who helped with reviews and advice | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: talked with john this morning. I owe him some notes on your nova review. | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | Late last week I pushed to Gerrit the Nova side of it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271578/ | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: congratulations! That was a huge amount of work. | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | it turned out to be a lot easier than we thought in the spec | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | the Neutron API in Nova keeps a cache of Neutron extensions enabled | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | that is updated every 10 minutes by default | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | so we don't need to worry about retrying a port create or update in case Neutron server has not been upgraded with the DNS extension | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | the Nova code in Gerrit is functionally complte. I will just add tests over the next few days in PS3 | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | and it should be ready to go | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | I am also working a o chapter to the Networking Guide for operators | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | I am making very good progress | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | I'll push to Gerrit also over the next few days | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | any questions? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: not from me | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Address Scopes | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | The L3 agent patch is the last major one left. It needs a little more work. Should be ready next week. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Then, need docs. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all. It is going well | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | any questions from the team? | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | earlier in the annoucements section I forgot to mention we will have a Neutron mid-cycle meeting at the end of February | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | this is the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-midcycle | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | so you are invited to enjoy the wonderful Minnesota weather in February :-) | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:46 |
| * carl_baldwin excited for that | 15:46 | |
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| mlavalle | ok, going once | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | going twice | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks! | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending team, see you in channel and Gerrit | 15:48 |
| neiljerram | Bye! | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 15:48:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-28-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-28-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-28-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | hola | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 16:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | ummmm...not so many updates from last week. | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | we've got a couple new guidelines that have been proposed =) | 16:02 |
| elmiko | nice to see the activity | 16:02 |
| etoews | yes! | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-14-16.00.html | 16:03 |
| * etoews assumes nothing happened at last week's meeting... | 16:03 | |
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| cdent | "cdent to re-review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/ with an eye to reaching consensus" FAIL | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i got word through ryanb that miguel is cool with me taking over the actions review | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | and i froze that review, but it got pinged and sent back to review :/ | 16:04 |
| cdent | sorry about making that harder | 16:04 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:04 |
| etoews | elmiko: good on you for taking that on | 16:04 |
| elmiko | no worries, there are some good suggestions in the comments cdent | 16:04 |
| elmiko | etoews: i feel it's gonna be rough slough | 16:04 |
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| cdent | I think splitting it in two is a good way to go. | 16:05 |
| cdent | changing some thing's state v doing some stuff | 16:05 |
| elmiko | good idea | 16:06 |
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| etoews | ya. we need to start finding alternative ways to make progress on this stuff. | 16:06 |
| elmiko | and there is the whole issue of whether tasks/actions/workflows should even be separate resources | 16:06 |
| elmiko | is it even possible for us to start smaller on some of the more controversial guidelines? | 16:07 |
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| etoews | i think it's worthwhile to try | 16:07 |
| elmiko | i like the approach that ken o'omichi took with the microversion stuff | 16:07 |
| elmiko | (i think it was him) | 16:07 |
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| etoews | i wish i had done something like that with the errors guideline | 16:07 |
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| * cdent sings there's always tomorrow... | 16:08 | |
| elmiko | ok, given that, i'll try to break the "actions" guideline up into more manageable pieces | 16:08 |
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| ameade | o/ | 16:08 |
| etoews | it almost became a true ocean boiling guideline but i had to cut it off with a todo before it got way out of hand | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | ameade: \o | 16:09 |
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| etoews | anyhoo | 16:09 |
| etoews | #topic api wg cfp for openstack summit in austin | 16:09 |
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| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:09 |
| etoews | i'm all for slapping that agenda into the submission for and pushing go | 16:10 |
| elmiko | i have been meaning to add little to that agenda, but i keep failing =( | 16:10 |
| cdent | will that satisfy whatever filters they are using (if any) or do we get a slot just by virtue of being a real working group? | 16:11 |
| etoews | elmiko: cdent: either of you care to make the submission (with the others as co-speakers)? | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i think we should have an item to discuss fairy-slipper, and i do want to give a presentation on the example project idea i've been working on | 16:11 |
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| etoews | sgtm | 16:11 |
| cdent | i think elmiko just volunteered | 16:11 |
| elmiko | fair, i'm cool with that | 16:11 |
| cdent | :) | 16:11 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to post api-wg submission for austin summit | 16:12 |
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| etoews | cdent: for the first time in a long time on not a chair on any of the tracks so i'm not sure | 16:12 |
| etoews | but i expect so | 16:12 |
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| elmiko | i can try to spice it up a little for the descriptive entry if you think it's necessary? | 16:13 |
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| etoews | i could reach out and find out who the wg track chairs are and see what's really necessary | 16:13 |
| cdent | maybe a little paragraph saying "we're going to do some stuff" and then top level agenda items as a list | 16:13 |
| elmiko | cdent: yea, i like that | 16:13 |
| etoews | sgtm | 16:14 |
| etoews | #action etoews to try to find out just how much hoop jumping we need to do for the wg submission | 16:14 |
| cdent | has to be done my monday, yeah? | 16:14 |
| etoews | yes. that work for you elmiko ? | 16:15 |
| elmiko | etoews: yup, i'll have something ready to go | 16:15 |
| etoews | i'm around all day today and tomorrow so don't hesitate to ping. | 16:15 |
| elmiko | just ping me with an email or something if you get word about the hoop jumping | 16:15 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:15 |
| etoews | yep | 16:16 |
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| etoews | #topic magnum api refresh | 16:16 |
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| etoews | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/standardised-error-messages | 16:16 |
| cdent | that's nice | 16:16 |
| etoews | so this is a holdover topic from last week but that ^ makes me smile | 16:16 |
| elmiko | ooh, neat | 16:17 |
| etoews | what i need to do is reach out to the magnum CPLs and highlight that for them | 16:17 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 16:17 |
| etoews | #action etoews to reach out to the magnum CPLs and highlight https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/standardised-error-messages for them | 16:17 |
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| etoews | i also know magnum's mid-cycle is coming up and some api changes might fall out of that | 16:18 |
| etoews | is there a prescribed mechanism for making part of an api a "plugin"? | 16:19 |
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| etoews | i know the whole extension thing was a miserable failure in nova. | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | + 1000 | 16:19 |
| cdent | etoews: do you mean optional? | 16:19 |
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| etoews | yes | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i'm not aware of anything from the rest api side, just the stevedore stuff from the code api | 16:19 |
| agentleweb | the model I think of as best for users is LBaaS in neutron, anyone else? | 16:19 |
| agentleweb | where it's another endpoint/use case | 16:20 |
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| cdent | endpoints seem to be the hammer for most things like this | 16:20 |
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| etoews | agentleweb: do you have a link to something that describes exactly how the optional aspect of that works? | 16:20 |
| etoews | cdent: can you expand on that a bit? | 16:20 |
| cdent | so as to avoid a situation where something the service catalog is consistent between clouds | 16:20 |
| cdent | s/the/in the/ | 16:21 |
| agentleweb | etoews: hm, thinking | 16:21 |
| cdent | so if something is optional, then it just isn't in the service catalog when it is not available | 16:21 |
| cdent | that may, however, be a too broad hammer | 16:21 |
| etoews | cdent: do you mean s/consistent/inconsistent/ above? | 16:21 |
| cdent | sigh, yeah | 16:22 |
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| cdent | or s/avoid/ensure/, your choice | 16:22 |
| etoews | that is a broad hammer but at least it's another option. a reasonably well understood option at that. | 16:22 |
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| cdent | ceilometer has a capabilities api | 16:23 |
| etoews | although "avoid a situation where something the service catalog is consistent" is pretty accurate :P | 16:23 |
| cdent | which basically says something to the effect of "are events turned on" and the like | 16:23 |
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| cdent | but I'm not sure that's a pattern used elsehwere | 16:23 |
| cdent | and not something I would want to encourage in services | 16:24 |
| agentleweb | cdent: yeah that's used in swift as well but let me think of the name | 16:24 |
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| cdent | I think they should be whatever they are and just do what they do | 16:24 |
| etoews | cdent: do you have a link to something that describes exactly how the optional aspect of the capability api works? | 16:24 |
| * cdent looks | 16:24 | |
| agentleweb | ah, but it's GET /info | 16:24 |
| cdent | etoews: this good enough: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/webapi/v2.html#capabilities | 16:25 |
| elmiko | cdent: is that a discovery mechanism for the extensions? | 16:25 |
| cdent | one of the drivers of that was tempest (which then ended up not using it) | 16:25 |
| agentleweb | etoews: also swift http://blogs.rdoproject.org/6509/swift-discoverable-capabilities | 16:25 |
| cdent | elmiko: it's discovery of what the storage system behind the api is able to do | 16:25 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 16:25 |
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| agentleweb | etoews: and http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/api/discoverability.html | 16:26 |
| elmiko | seems like doing something akin to json-home would work well for discovering the extension endpoints (assuming we are talking api extensions) | 16:26 |
| agentleweb | yeah it's about what's implemented | 16:26 |
| etoews | "To discover which features are enabled in your Object Storage system, use the /info request. However, your service provider might have disabled the /info request" | 16:27 |
| etoews | LOL | 16:27 |
| elmiko | ouch | 16:27 |
| cdent | that topic came up here (nova mid-cycle) today. providers sometimes turn off discovery | 16:27 |
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| cdent | (of all sorts) | 16:27 |
| * etoews sighs | 16:28 | |
| agentleweb | yeah that too... sigh | 16:28 |
| agentleweb | those darn providers :) | 16:28 |
| cdent | I think moving in the direction of json-home would be a GoodThing™ | 16:29 |
| etoews | okay. this is all good info (pun intended). i'll feed this back to the magnum team. | 16:29 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:29 |
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| etoews | #action give feedback to magnum team on ways to do "optional" parts of an api | 16:29 |
| elmiko | the whole provider thing does bring up an interesting point about enabling/disabling discovery mechanisms though | 16:30 |
| cdent | Basically I think we should strive to do things in the direction of the rest of the world... | 16:30 |
| etoews | #action etoews give feedback to magnum team on ways to do "optional" parts of an api | 16:30 |
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| etoews | did jsonhome ever really get any traction? | 16:30 |
| etoews | not that i think it's a bad idea but it would be nice to be able to point to successful use cases outside of openstack-land | 16:31 |
| agentleweb | no I haven't seen it etoews | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | etoews: that's what i'm wondering | 16:31 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | i haven't seen it anywhere | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | except maybe keystone | 16:31 |
| cdent | I can check with some out there in the rest of the world contacts | 16:31 |
| etoews | let me ping some of the api-heads i know. see if they're aware of it. | 16:31 |
| elmiko | did json-home make it out of drafting yet? | 16:31 |
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| etoews | nope | 16:31 |
| elmiko | thought so | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | no, and last draft expired 2013 | 16:31 |
| elmiko | ooph | 16:32 |
| cdent | feh | 16:32 |
| agentleweb | yah | 16:32 |
| etoews | nab | 16:32 |
| * cdent is not wed to json-home, just want something that is not openstack-specific-special-flower-magic | 16:32 | |
| rosmaita | cdent: i hear you | 16:32 |
| etoews | yep. that's the direction i usually lean too. | 16:32 |
| agentleweb | cdent: ++ | 16:33 |
| elmiko | nah, we definitely need our own impl for this... s/ | 16:33 |
| cdent | /kick elmiko | 16:33 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:33 |
| etoews | #action etoews reach out to api-heads to see if jsonhome ever got traction anywhere | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | come-on, i know you love a contrarian ;) | 16:33 |
| cdent | It's true <3 | 16:33 |
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| etoews | any other new topics people want to discuss or move onto guidelines? | 16:34 |
| cdent | onward | 16:34 |
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| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:34 |
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| etoews | the #link http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/dashboard_api-wg.html is borked :( | 16:35 |
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| etoews | but #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z is pretty manageable. | 16:35 |
| * cdent nods | 16:36 | |
| elmiko | hmm, can we put server-side tracebacks up for freeze? | 16:36 |
| etoews | yes | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | doesn't look like anything else is ready | 16:36 |
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| cdent | yes | 16:36 |
| etoews | ameade: rosmaita: anything you want to discuss here? | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | #action elmiko freeze the server-side traceback guideline | 16:37 |
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| cdent | this guideline probably requires a fair bit of thought about the precedents it will set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273158/ | 16:37 |
| rosmaita | etoews: yeah, i don't want to hold up actual work other people are trying to do while i slowly work on the versions thing | 16:37 |
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| etoews | ah. i get where you're coming from. i'm pretty much resigned to the fact that most guidelines take a long time to happen. | 16:38 |
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| etoews | if people need something like versions discovery right away, then they'll just have to do the best they can until the guideline settles. | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | ok | 16:40 |
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| rosmaita | etoews: anyway, your action item to get some eyes on it worked | 16:40 |
| etoews | it's not like we're the first group to try to bring guidelines/standards to something while it is in development. | 16:40 |
| etoews | nice | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i've been watching that one too, i'd like to improve our version page in sahara | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | so i will revise in line with jay's comments | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | not sure that helps ameade though | 16:40 |
| etoews | yep. some good stuff in there. | 16:41 |
| elmiko | i do have a question about updating the version response and server versions | 16:41 |
| etoews | we need to get a feel for what projects are already using jsonhome | 16:41 |
| etoews | and document that in #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 16:41 |
| etoews | any volunteers for that ^? | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i can try and add a few more projects to that page | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i'll start with zaqar ;) | 16:42 |
| etoews | thx elmiko | 16:42 |
| elmiko | something to consider for the guideline, and this is kinda meta, but how does changing the version page affect the semver? | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | like, if you change your root home page, would that necessarily mean bumping the major version since you will break the api contract? | 16:43 |
| etoews | rosmaita: does ameade need to implement something very soon? | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | he sent soemthing the the ML today | 16:43 |
| * rosmaita looking for link | 16:44 | |
| ameade | paying attn now one sec | 16:44 |
| scottda | hi | 16:44 |
| etoews | elmiko: thinking... | 16:44 |
| scottda | ameade: is helping Cinder to determine the string we used for api-microversion header | 16:44 |
| elmiko | yea, it's a toughie | 16:44 |
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| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085229.html | 16:45 |
| scottda | We *think* Api-microversions will land soon in Cinder | 16:45 |
| ameade | rosmaita: you beat me! | 16:45 |
| scottda | and currently use "X-OpenStack-Cinder-API-microversions" | 16:45 |
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| scottda | consistent with Nova, Manila, etc. | 16:46 |
| etoews | elmiko: you could do something rude and just 301 redirect | 16:46 |
| cdent | ameade: in discussions today with nova people, there's a vague plan for nova to start supporting both X-OpenStack-Nova-API-Version and OpenStack-Compute-Version | 16:46 |
| cdent | (or something close to that) | 16:46 |
| elmiko | so, given the current conversations on ML, that should probably be "X-OpenStack-Block-Storage-API-microversions" | 16:46 |
| cdent | no X | 16:46 |
| elmiko | er yea, i knew that felt wrong | 16:46 |
| cdent | sorry that was supposed to be a question "no X?" | 16:46 |
| scottda | OK, and no Cinder? | 16:46 |
| scottda | use Block? | 16:46 |
| elmiko | yea, drop the cinder | 16:46 |
| cdent | is "API" redundant? | 16:47 |
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| elmiko | our preference is service type when possible | 16:47 |
| elmiko | cdent: hmm, good question | 16:47 |
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| etoews | scottda: ameade: see http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/headers.html | 16:47 |
| elmiko | i think api is redundant, but it is also explicit, so i'm torn | 16:48 |
| cdent | but as far as we were concerned in the earlier conversation the service and the API are congruent | 16:48 |
| ameade | i think we should nail down what cinder shoud do and add some sort of header aliases in nova and manila | 16:48 |
| elmiko | ameade: +1 | 16:49 |
| cdent | ameade: yeah the aliases are coming in nova | 16:49 |
| cdent | (no timetable) | 16:49 |
| ameade | kk cool | 16:49 |
| elmiko | imo, cinder should use "Block-Storage" and nova/manilla should create service type aliases | 16:49 |
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| scottda | OK, Cinder is imminent, so we want to get it right | 16:49 |
| cdent | the meandering right now is trying to determine the exact correct form of the proper header | 16:49 |
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| scottda | OpenStack-Block-Storage-API-microversion ? | 16:50 |
| elmiko | cdent: i think we could drop the API, since when are you going to request anything else *but* the API microversion | 16:50 |
| etoews | ya. drop the API. | 16:50 |
| scottda | That's ok with me. | 16:50 |
| cdent | me too | 16:50 |
| scottda | OpenStack-Block-Storage-microversion | 16:50 |
| ameade | i'm cool with that | 16:51 |
| cdent | ameade: you happy to respond to your own mail message (to report on what we've just decided)? | 16:51 |
| rosmaita | is the type 'block-storage' or 'volume' ? | 16:51 |
| cdent | rosmaita: I was going to ask that too | 16:51 |
| cdent | I don't know the server catalog identifiers well | 16:51 |
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| rosmaita | i thought it was 'volume' | 16:51 |
| elmiko | according to governance, it's "Block Storage service" | 16:51 |
| elmiko | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/cinder.html | 16:52 |
| scottda | I *think* service catelog uses block storage | 16:52 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but what is 'type' in the service catalog? | 16:52 |
| elmiko | maybe that's different than the service catalog though | 16:52 |
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| etoews | ugh. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/3/guidelines/microversion_specification.rst currently recommends putting API in there. | 16:52 |
| cdent | devstack appears to use "volume" | 16:52 |
| rosmaita | i think we need to be consistent with the service catalog | 16:52 |
| elmiko | etoews: hmm | 16:52 |
| ameade | docs uses 'volume' | 16:53 |
| ameade | rosmaita: +1 | 16:53 |
| etoews | don't go by devstack | 16:53 |
| elmiko | agreed about consistency with service catalog, but isn't the service catalog supposed to agree with governance? | 16:53 |
| etoews | agentleweb: do you know ^ w.r.t. your work on the service catalog? | 16:53 |
| cdent | etoews: the discussion amongst the service catalog next-gen people is that most people use devstack as the precent setter. Not that that is _good_. | 16:54 |
| elmiko | etoews: do we need to recommend dropping "API" on that review? | 16:54 |
| etoews | elmiko: | 16:54 |
| etoews | elmiko: yes | 16:54 |
| elmiko | k | 16:54 |
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| etoews | just commented on removing API from the header | 16:56 |
| ameade | starting my vm to see whats in the catalog lol | 16:57 |
| elmiko | ack, thanks | 16:57 |
| agentleweb | etoews: oh sorry, I'm on a web irc client and didn't see | 16:57 |
| elmiko | my devstack has "volumev2" | 16:57 |
| agentleweb | I went to the keystone midcycle yesterday and talked about the service catalog | 16:57 |
| etoews | ameade: why see one service catalog when you can see ALL THE SERVICE CATALOGS! https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Service_Catalog | 16:57 |
| scottda | So should I be using the service catelog type, i.e. "volume" or name "Block Storage" | 16:57 |
| elmiko | i don't think that makes sense for the header though | 16:57 |
| cdent | elmiko: do you have both volume and volumev2? | 16:58 |
| elmiko | oh, yes. i do | 16:58 |
| agentleweb | "Known types such as service_type can be documented in projects.yaml in the openstack/governance git repository." from http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/service-catalog.html | 16:58 |
| agentleweb | so volume2 needs to be stopped | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | scottda: imo, we should attempt to standardize on the official service type, but i defer to agentleweb on service catalog stuff | 16:58 |
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| etoews | we'll have to move this to #openstack-sdks in a minute. | 16:59 |
| ameade | agentleweb: that's weird +1 | 16:59 |
| agentleweb | cdent: and my ask of the keystone team is a json schema and tempest test for service catalog entries so devstack's service catalog is a shining example of correctness | 16:59 |
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| etoews | schemas and tests???!?!!! madness. | 17:00 |
| scottda | OK, so I don't quite know what the answer is for my issue | 17:00 |
| agentleweb | etoews: I want the Mr. Burns icon | 17:00 |
| etoews | thanks all! let's move to #openstack-sdks | 17:00 |
| agentleweb | sure | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 17:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-28-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-28-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-28-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| cdent | I think we should get together with various service catalog people because the suggested rule of "just use the service type" gets weird when you have volume, volumev2, compute, computev21 | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: songole hemanthravi igordcard_: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| songole | Hi | 18:01 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard_ | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 18:02:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Jan_28th.2C_2016 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have one critical bug in UI for liberty | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the javascript files are not getting loaded correctly | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ank is looking at it and has a patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/273496 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the patch is failing because of a version number in the setup.cfg | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i post another patch to remove the version number, will need to help to get it merged quickly | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other high priority bus to discuss? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi! | 18:05 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | no new updates on integration test or docs | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to update here? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | liberty tars are posted | 18:06 |
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| rkukura | nothing new from me on this yet, but should be able to do liberty soon | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other stable releaes are not, waiting a little bit more to see if there are any more changes | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks | 18:06 |
| rkukura | do we plan to move our masters to use neutron, etc. masters? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:07 |
| rkukura | I think that will be important for getting RDO delorean setup for our stuff | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure, i will post a WIP patch soon | 18:08 |
| rkukura | great | 18:08 |
| rkukura | I will try to get a plan for this at least by next week’s meeting | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice, thanks | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so while we are on that topic of syncing up the master branch | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DB migrations | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in the liberty cycle neutron moved to a new scheme of DB migrations | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which allows to perform additive migrations online (without having to restart the server) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will need to decide if we want to move to such a scheme as well | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for reference #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/c7acfbabdc13ed2a73bdbc6275af8063b8c1eb2f | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can give it some thought and discuss further in subsequent meetings | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design Specs | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Specs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:14 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239743/ | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: songole: any update on the above? | 18:14 |
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| songole | SumitNaiksatam: hemanth is updating it. | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | I'm behind on the network func platform spec, will post the update by end of the week | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hemanthravi: okay thanks | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: we planned to post a separate spec for “nfp”? | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | no, will the same spec | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or nsf -> nfp? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | I think I had the name mixed up with the many we discussed | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | nsf | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: it will spec out, both the northbound, and the southbound APIs? | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | the northbound will take some time, i'll start with the southbound | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: having the southbound API will allow service developers to plug into this framework, right? | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | yes, | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | the idea is to have to an infra component and a service-tenant component and the soutbound api | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | will allow the service-tenant component to be pluggable | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, thanks for the update | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Status field for resources | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status field for resources (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | field -> attribute | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have discussed this in the past in the context of the “service_chain_instance" | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however this requirement applies to other resources as well | 18:22 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is there a concrete proposal for this? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just wanted to bring it up here before putting the proposal | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Do we want just an enum, or also something more verbose like a text description? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: a description can certain be very helpful for the user | 18:23 |
| hemanthravi | we do need this, else the calls to instantiate service chain instances end up as blocking calls | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Since we can have multiple drivers, we also need some way to coelesce status from them into a single enum. This is something we want to do in ML2, but don’t have a proposal yet. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i would imagine that it would be the responsibility of the plugin to coalesce the states, but would be specific to the drivers that are supported by that particular plugin | 18:25 |
| rkukura | right | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: admittedly this is difficult to do in a generic way (like in the case of ML2) | 18:25 |
| rkukura | So the driver API would need a way for each driver to provide its own status, and would have to figure out how to compose these into the overall status | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i also recall a similar issue with fwaas, where the state needed to be constructed from distributed components | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if anyone wants to post a proposal for this, please feel free to do so, else i will post one | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Cross-project clean-up patches | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura and I discussed some of these offline | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/264642 | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (use of assertions) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263188/ | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (use of log.warn) | 18:28 |
| rkukura | the first one is interesting, since it removes the testing that a boolean is actually returned | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, and hence some projects have abandoned it | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets decide one way or the other today whether we want to accept these patches | 18:29 |
| rkukura | probably makes sense to try to be consistent in validing the exact values returned, so I think I’d vote to abandon it | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i tend to agree too | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the latter one seems sane, so i guess we can move forward with that? | 18:30 |
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| rkukura | for example, I’d hate to see returning None not break an assertFalse() test | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agreed | 18:31 |
| rkukura | the latter has not passed CI, right? | 18:31 |
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| rkukura | non-voting, but is there an issue? | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: its a transient failure, i just rechecked it | 18:31 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so once the gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional comes back successfully i think we can merge this | 18:32 |
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| rkukura | agreed | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:33 |
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| rkukura | anything related to the summit session proposal deadline on Monday? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think igordcard_ you ran into some problems earlier with liberty devstack setup, but you are past those now? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah good one | 18:33 |
| igordcard_ | yes, I was trying to stack master but I was running into some problems | 18:34 |
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| igordcard_ | with the liberty release it's fine | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: okay, i havent tried master off late, the upstream gate job seems to work, so i imagined it might have been okay | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: what was the problem you were seeing? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on the topic of submissions, there is a plan to submit one hands-on lab session for showing how services work in our framework | 18:35 |
| igordcard_ | I was able to stack at the end, but the CLI wouldn't work ( I figured it was because loading the creds from accrc don't work anymore) | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if it gets accepted i imagine we will all work on this together as a team | 18:36 |
| igordcard_ | and I was also getting too many connections in mysql because of heat-engine | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: oh okay, interesting | 18:36 |
| igordcard_ | the stacking issue let me check here in the old logs | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other talks or labs or demos we want to plan for submission? | 18:37 |
| igordcard_ | oh it wasn't loading the group_policy plugin (not found), I think there was some conflict of requirements (wrong instructions followed probably) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: okay | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: did you decide whether you wanted to submit a talk? | 18:38 |
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| hemanthravi | not yet, looking at coming up with something before mon | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:40 |
| hemanthravi | any submissions other than the lab? | 18:40 |
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| igordcard_ | could we submit something about the qos work? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: sure, happy to support you if you want to submit something | 18:41 |
| igordcard_ | it would be nice to have something for that, even though we still need to figure out the scope of qos for mitaka | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: if nothing else it will focus us on making progress, its a forcing function :-) | 18:42 |
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| igordcard_ | and it's something I wanted to discuss a bit today: what's the best for now, allow qos policies to be applied to policy targets, or allow qos policies to be applied across PTGs with the drawback of not being able to use a classifier? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS support | 18:43 |
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| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: yeah :) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: sorry, did not understand the latter part - “with the drawback of not being able to use a classifier?” | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ideally we should be doing things are the granularity of the group, right? | 18:44 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: the current QoS API only allwos qos policies to be set to ports (or networks, that in turn assign to each port of the network) | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: right, right | 18:45 |
| igordcard_ | so we cannot say, for this PRS with this classifier, apply this qos rule | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: but PRS always participate in a relationship with PTGs | 18:47 |
| igordcard_ | I don't know if the new classifier will be in mitaka | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: ah the issue is with the classifier | 18:47 |
| igordcard_ | yes, we cannot scope to specific traffic | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | can we perhaps put a constraint that the resource mapping driver can only support QoS for “any” traffic? | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and later relax this constraint, as and when support for classifier is available? | 18:48 |
| igordcard_ | that is one of the possibilities I see for now | 18:48 |
| igordcard_ | the only possibility for PRS | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems reasonable to me to start with this | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hemanthravi songole: what do you think? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | makes sense to me | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think we would prefer that policy always be applied at the group level, right? | 18:50 |
| igordcard_ | also, the policy will in reality be applied to each of the PTs | 18:50 |
| igordcard_ | so if the PRS says that the bandwidth limit is 1Mb, it will be 1Mb for each of the PTs of the consuming PTG | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: yes, and that is fine | 18:51 |
| igordcard_ | okay | 18:51 |
| rkukura | PTG vs. PT, or PTG vs PRS? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: oh wait | 18:51 |
| igordcard_ | because it is at the neutron port level | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: hmmm, i think we will need to think through that | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think applying policy to a PTG implies that we allocating a cumulative “quota” for that PTG (like bandwidht in this case) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence my initial reaction was that it seems fine | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, in this case it seems like we would have to think of the cumulative implications | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not sure i understood your question | 18:54 |
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| rkukura | could we make a distinction between PTG-level bandwidth being per-PT vs. total? | 18:55 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I was just trying to understand your “applied at the group level” question | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, yeah i think “with the drawback of not being able to use a classifier?” makes sense | 18:56 |
| igordcard_ | rkukura: at an implementation level it would not be possible by simply using what neutron provides today.. qos rules per port | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sorry, copy paste erro | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant, “with the drawback of not being able to use a classifier?” makes sense | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have three minutes | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: how about at least you put this level of thoughts in a spec and post it? | 18:57 |
| igordcard_ | I can make a PoC for the qos action in the PRS | 18:57 |
| rkukura | sounds good to me | 18:58 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: okay I can create a spec with the thoughts | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | might be much easier to discuss on the spec, and we can certainly follow up in the weekly meetings | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: yes sure | 18:58 |
| igordcard_ | but it won't yet dive into how it would work internally | 18:58 |
| igordcard_ | after the PoC I can update it with more detail | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: np, we understand that this is WIP | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think having the spec will get the whole team on the same page with regards to get them up to speed with the thinking so far | 18:59 |
| igordcard_ | it's all from my side then | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: thanks! | 18:59 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: I see , yeah | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: assuming you are going to be available, we can make this a weekly discussion topic | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright, thanks everyone for your time today! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:00 |
| tbachman | bye! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 19:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-01-28-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-01-28-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-01-28-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team | 21:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 28 21:29:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team)" | 21:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team' | 21:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:29 |
| darrenc | hi ShillaSaebi | 21:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the ops/arch guide meeting | 21:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi darrenc | 21:29 |
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| sc68cal | here | 21:30 |
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| darrenc | xavpaice sends his apologies | 21:31 |
| darrenc | hi sc68cal | 21:31 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright lets go ahead and get started | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open reviews | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open reviews (Meeting topic: Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team)" | 21:32 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/operations-guide,n,z | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | please see the open reviews and feel free to review/comment | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on that? | 21:33 |
| darrenc | yeah, I need someone to take over the networking patch | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222434/ | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | this one | 21:34 |
| njohnston | I'll check with vhoward, one moment | 21:34 |
| darrenc | that's the one | 21:34 |
| darrenc | yeah I emailed him, but haven't heard back | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah lets see what vhoward and njohnston come back with | 21:34 |
| darrenc | ok cheers | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok cool we can move on until we hear back | 21:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ops Meetup in Manchester | 21:35 |
| vhoward | hey guys, told darren today that i'm going to work on that next week | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ops Meetup in Manchester (Meeting topic: Ops and Arch Guide Docs Specialty Team)" | 21:35 | |
| ShillaSaebi | ok cool vhoward | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for the update | 21:35 |
| vhoward | sorry for delay on that | 21:35 |
| darrenc | oh thanks vhoward :) | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone going to the ops mid cycle meetup from our subteam? | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | Darren started a thread about potentially doing a swarm there and it seems most people are not attending from our group | 21:36 |
| darrenc | not me | 21:36 |
| darrenc | asettle can attend | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we discussed potentially doing it in Austin | 21:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sc68cal will you be in Manchester | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | ShillaSaebi: no, i won't. | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe it's something we can think about for Austin? | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | seems like most members of our team will not be there | 21:37 |
| darrenc | We could do austin, but we'll need to change the deadline | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 21:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we should do that | 21:37 |
| sc68cal | summits are not usually a good place to get work done -.- | 21:38 |
| sc68cal | crippling ADHD | 21:38 |
| darrenc | before or after summit? | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | before might be good. I think the problem with after is usually everyone is exhausted | 21:40 |
| darrenc | true | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah maybe a day before? | 21:40 |
| darrenc | yeah that could work | 21:40 |
| darrenc | but is one day enough? | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | I mean if nobody is going to the keynote on monday that might be a good time to do face to face | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill probably be going to the keynote | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | do we want to take this offline maybe | 21:43 |
| darrenc | sure | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can further discuss it in the thread thats alraedy going | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | sc68cal : are u on the existing thread? | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | ShillaSaebi: is it on openstack-docs? | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | im not sure, darrenc did you send it to the ml | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | or was it just to some ppl from the subteam? | 21:45 |
| darrenc | ppl on the subteam | 21:45 |
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| darrenc | I can add it to the mailing list | 21:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | ML would be great | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Arch Guide Reorg Efforts | 21:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | here are the work items that are ongoing for the arch guide | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | the main thing to know here is to commit your work to the draft directory on openstack-manuals/docs/arch-design-draft | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | not the original repo | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | let me know if you have any questions | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | wow there are three arch-design related directories in openstack-manuals | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | arch-design, -draft and -rst | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | whoops | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | draft should be in rst format right | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | was - I just haven't run git clean -fd in a while | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | just arch-design and -draft now | 21:50 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:50 |
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| sc68cal | good riddance to docbook | 21:51 |
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| sc68cal | poor anne had to take the original output from some CMS system, into docbook for the first release of the arch guide | 21:51 |
| darrenc | how painful | 21:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | definitely | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright any other questions/comments on that | 21:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Feedback on arch guide virtual swarm | 21:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Ok we had a virtual swarm on 21-22 December and had a lot of help from some of the members of the team | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for the hard work | 21:54 |
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| darrenc | Personally I think it was difficult to get everyone on the same page in the virtual swarm | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | I agree | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | the time zone differences | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | and being virtual | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | at all random hours | 21:56 |
| darrenc | Plus it was difficult for everyone give their input into the changes | 21:56 |
| darrenc | yes time zones | 21:57 |
| darrenc | that said, in APAC we had a few ppl working together which was good | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | so hopefully we can shoot for an in person next time | 21:59 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 22:00 |
| darrenc | also I think having it before christmas wasn't ideal | 22:01 |
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| darrenc | participation was much lower than expected | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats a lesson learned | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 22:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do we have anything else we want to discuss | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 22:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | feel free to bring up anything | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | open discussion | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | we need to consider the o'reilly thing for the ops guide | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | what was the latest update with that | 22:04 |
| darrenc | nothing since lana informed us | 22:04 |
| darrenc | I'm not sure what costs are involved in publishing another edition | 22:06 |
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| katomo | ShillaSaebi, darrenc, good morning :) | 22:06 |
| darrenc | hi katomo | 22:06 |
| darrenc | and effort | 22:06 |
| darrenc | but my understanding is o'rielly likes books in asciidoc | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe we can check back with Lana | 22:07 |
| darrenc | so we would need to convert at some point | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:08 |
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| darrenc | I'll chat to lana | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds great | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone else wants to bring up or discuss? | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | if not, we can get 20 min back | 22:10 |
| katomo | RST conversion ? | 22:10 |
| katomo | already discussed ? | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | for the arch guide? | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | or ops guide? | 22:10 |
| darrenc | oh yeah the ops guide needs to be converted | 22:10 |
| katomo | ops guide | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah we didn't actually discuss that | 22:11 |
| darrenc | that's the only guide left I think | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | when do u guys want to start that | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | do we have the blueprint and spec approved | 22:11 |
| darrenc | yes | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | so when do u guys wanna get started | 22:11 |
| katomo | if we don't reorganize ops guide until Newton cycle, we have 2 months to convert | 22:12 |
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| darrenc | but I think we were going to push it back to the O-release? | 22:12 |
| katomo | I want to start | 22:12 |
| darrenc | If there are ppl available to do it, I don't see why not | 22:12 |
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| katomo | yeah, I believe | 22:13 |
| darrenc | We seem to convert things pretty quickly these days | 22:13 |
| darrenc | let me find the spec | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | im ready to do it as well | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | we should do it in the same format | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | assign out chapters and go | 22:14 |
| darrenc | Cool, we'll need to run this by Lana | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:14 |
| katomo | ok | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can add it to the specialty team updates email i am sending her | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | i already sent it but ill add this on | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok cool anything else | 22:15 |
| darrenc | sounds good | 22:15 |
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| darrenc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst | 22:16 |
| darrenc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst | 22:16 |
| darrenc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ops-guide-rst | 22:16 |
| darrenc | whoops | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh | 22:16 |
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| katomo | :) | 22:17 |
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| katomo | approved! thanks, darrenc | 22:17 |
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| darrenc | oh I think I'm confused | 22:19 |
| darrenc | I drafted this before the Mitaka | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | yea | 22:20 |
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| darrenc | so we are doing it for this release | 22:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 22:21 |
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| darrenc | gosh, time flies | 22:21 |
| darrenc | ok probably still mention it to Lana | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | will do | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 22:22 |
| darrenc | I'll set up the migration page | 22:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 22:22 |
| katomo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Operations_Guide | 22:22 |
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| darrenc | nice, thanks katomo | 22:23 |
| katomo | darrence: thanks. need update :) | 22:23 |
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| katomo | *darrenc | 22:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok anything else ? | 22:25 |
| darrenc | I have nothing else | 22:25 |
| katomo | none | 22:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok great | 22:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyone | 22:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 28 22:26:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team/2016/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team.2016-01-28-21.29.html | 22:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team/2016/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team.2016-01-28-21.29.txt | 22:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team/2016/ops_and_arch_guide_docs_specialty_team.2016-01-28-21.29.log.html | 22:26 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 22:27 |
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| darrenc | thanks! | 22:27 |
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