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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 13:59 |
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| elmiko | hi | 13:59 |
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| _crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| huichun | hello | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| esikachev | hi! | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair elmiko | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 14:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (backup) | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
| tosky | hi | 14:00 |
| elmiko | good idea ;) | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:00 |
| mionkin | hello | 14:00 |
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| vgridnev | o/ | 14:00 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| _crobertsrh | Still looking for reviews on the UI reorg. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270478/ will get you all the changes to try out. | 14:01 |
| elmiko | i've been working on api v2, and looking at more security bugs and improvements on our bandit gate | 14:01 |
| AndreyPavlov | i was working on periodic tasks | 14:02 |
| _crobertsrh | Ideally, I'd like to get reviews soon because rebasing them every 20 min for 3 months is not my idea of a fun springtime. | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | Working on health mostly, there are few changes on review already: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-verification | 14:02 |
| _crobertsrh | vgridnev: cool, I can't wait to see that in action | 14:02 |
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| tosky | and the feature freeze is in... 18 days? | 14:03 |
| sreshetn1ak | o/ | 14:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov could you please review the UI reorg to land it faster? | 14:04 |
| tmckay | hi folks! | 14:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: yes sure | 14:04 |
| tmckay | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:tmckay%2540redhat.com+status:open | 14:04 |
| tmckay | please review :) ^^ some are old | 14:04 |
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| tmckay | also, we turned off the mapr gate test in sahara-ci, I have built a mapr image and plan today to figure out why it fails (something wrong in apt-get for oozie) | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay ack, thx | 14:06 |
| tmckay | 2 more patches for regex searching (job_execution, which has special stuff, and job_binary_internal, which hardly matters I think :) ) | 14:06 |
| tmckay | also, in open discussion, I have an idea for a regex search tweak | 14:06 |
| tmckay | And, I fixed #1453953 for job binary internal upload from horizon | 14:07 |
| tmckay | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278027/ | 14:07 |
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| tmckay | This was tried and abandoned a few months ago, but I hit it, so I decided to try to fix it :) | 14:07 |
| crobertsrh | wtg tmckay | 14:07 |
| tmckay | simple fix, and only the one case that was breaking for me | 14:07 |
| tmckay | those are all my updates :) nothing left to say | 14:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic API v2 progress | 14:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:09 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 14:09 |
| elmiko | just a quick update, the initial commit is ready for reviews | 14:10 |
| elmiko | and i am adding more content to the wiki page | 14:10 |
| elmiko | once the initial commit is merged, i'll have more to follow. | 14:10 |
| elmiko | and hopefully there will be a clear workload that others can join in on =) | 14:10 |
| elmiko | that's all from me, unless there are questions about api v2 | 14:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have a short agenda for today :) | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko thx for the updates on v2 | 14:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | good news, voting for talks is now open | 14:13 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:13 |
| elmiko | should we all throw up links now? ;) | 14:14 |
| NikitaKonovalov | why not | 14:14 |
| elmiko | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7797 | 14:14 |
| crobertsrh | heh | 14:14 |
| elmiko | =D | 14:14 |
| huichun | vgridnev: I have updated suspend EDP job patch according to your reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201448/ | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | ok will do review later | 14:14 |
| huichun | vgridnev: add engine support and cluster check before running job | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Deploy OpenStack as containers using Marathon and Mesos -- https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8113 | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Data Processing in OpenStack: The State of the Art in Sahara -- https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8228 | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Architecture and Best Practices to Deploy Hadoop and Spark Clusters with Sahara -- https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8683 | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | would appreciate votes :) | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: did you see this one, https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/6826 | 14:16 |
| elmiko | curious if they are using sahara at all | 14:16 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I also participate in https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8683 and https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8687 | 14:16 |
| elmiko | i'm guessing that they are not, but i'm curious none-the-less | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko no, thx for the link | 14:17 |
| tmckay | okay, so I have an additional idea for regex searching, not sure if it's good or not | 14:18 |
| tmckay | As you know, we have some fields with regex (name, description, url for example) and some exact match (uuids, version numbers, job types, basically ids and things with defined values) | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I think they are doing bare metal provisioning of mesos or k8s | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | most probably k8s | 14:19 |
| tmckay | but, I was playing yesterday and thought that maybe an OR function on something exact might be nice. Like job types "pig|shell" | 14:20 |
| tosky | I have two questions related to sahara-scenario: a) I saw there is a pending request to add a the project sahara-tests to "Sahara Official", is it sahara-scenario that needs to be renamed? | 14:20 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack, thanks | 14:20 |
| tmckay | What if you want exact match on more than one thing? | 14:20 |
| tmckay | So, what do you think about allowing "|" in exact match cases? | 14:20 |
| elmiko | tmckay: would we be passing the "|" through the rest api? | 14:21 |
| tmckay | yeah. I tried it yesterday from horizon | 14:21 |
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| elmiko | i'm only asking because there has been work in the api-wg on creating a guideline for more complex search queries, i'm trying to find the review now | 14:22 |
| tmckay | the logic would be "if an exact match field contains an "|", then allow regex but treat the stuff between the |'s as exact matches" | 14:22 |
| tmckay | elmiko, ok. Maybe defer then | 14:22 |
| tmckay | The current logic is that in general, you do not want to do regex on things like version number (but you might want to search for more than one) | 14:23 |
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| tmckay | of course, if the spec covers comparators, then you could treat version numbers as actually numbers and not strings, and do ranges like in requirements | 14:23 |
| elmiko | i think the prevailing wisdom from the api gurus, was to separate all search terms and pass them using specific args params in the rest | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky rename will be tomorrow | 14:24 |
| elmiko | tmckay: my only concern would be us building this network of regex-yes/regex-no search fields. it could make it tough for end-users to know when they can use which types of search. | 14:24 |
| tmckay | ah, I see. so you may have a field appear multiple times | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev ^^ (rename) | 14:24 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ah, good to know, thanks | 14:24 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yes. so far what we have done matchines nova. some fields are exact, others are regex. Fields will be listed in user docs somewhere (haven't done that yet) | 14:25 |
| tosky | now, second question (input appreciated from you all): as scenario-tests is branchless like tempest, I was thinking that we could move API tempest tests there, outside tempest repository | 14:25 |
| tosky | what do you think? | 14:25 |
| tosky | if you think it's worth of, I guess I would need a spec | 14:26 |
| tmckay | oh, by the way, there are pep8 errors on tempest tests in sahara on master right now | 14:26 |
| tmckay | I keep seeing them when I check changes. Why is that? | 14:26 |
| elmiko | tosky: not a bad idea, imo. i'm curious how we will layer in the v2 tests, is there a separate directory or config for each api version? | 14:26 |
| tosky | elmiko: I don't know, I will check the other projects with multiple APIs | 14:27 |
| tosky | but I suspect it's a solved problem somewhere else | 14:27 |
| elmiko | tmckay: on the question of the expanding the regex, i think it's a cool idea but maybe we should generate a spec to fight it out over? | 14:27 |
| elmiko | tosky: yea, most likely it is solved. i'm just curious. in general though, i don't have an objection to moving those tests into the scenario repo. | 14:27 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yeah, just looking for initial feedback. If everyone said "No, terrible" I wouldn't bother :) | 14:27 |
| elmiko | tmckay: ack | 14:28 |
| tmckay | tosky, ++ I am all for as much local control in the sahara repos as possible | 14:28 |
| tosky | esikachev: what would you think about moving tempest API tests into sahara-tests (using the tempest plugin mechanism of course)? | 14:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky I'm not sure that it'll be working correctly with current way how jobs done | 14:29 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: do you mean the jenkins jobs? | 14:29 |
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| esikachev | tosky: tempest tests of sahara is a plugin for tempest not good move them to new repo | 14:31 |
| tmckay | oh, crobertsrh, I had a thought. I think the nova panels have a "*" next to the search items that are regex, and no "*" next to the ones that are exact | 14:31 |
| tosky | esikachev: why not? The alternative is move it into sahara repository, but then it's going to be not branchless | 14:31 |
| tmckay | what do you think of that? | 14:31 |
| crobertsrh | I'm all for being consistent with other services | 14:32 |
| tmckay | So it looks like "Name *" on the filter list | 14:32 |
| tosky | esikachev: the new repo is perfect, as it follows the same life of tempest; if you don't need to run the tests, you just don't run them | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky yup, jenkins job | 14:32 |
| tmckay | I will double check that that's actually true, but I'm pretty sure I saw it | 14:32 |
| elmiko | tmckay, crobertsrh, does horizon have the ability to create those little question mark helper links? (with a hover over explaining what is going on) | 14:32 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: they can be easily adapted, we already do it for python-saharaclient tempest (scenario) tests, which are in python-saharaclient repo | 14:32 |
| tmckay | that would be cool | 14:33 |
| elmiko | regardless of what nova is doing, i think having a hover-over with an explanation would be better | 14:33 |
| tmckay | elmiko, ++ | 14:33 |
| crobertsrh | Might be useful as well | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky if it could be fixed, I would say, I like idea of having tempest in sahara-tests | 14:34 |
| crobertsrh | elmiko: We can do pretty much anything you can imagine. | 14:34 |
| crobertsrh | Whether or not it "fits" is another issue. | 14:34 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: as vgridnev remembers from the last review, even tempest core suggested moving API tests outside tempest core | 14:35 |
| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: tosky let's do it? | 14:35 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: i thought maybe the horizon folks had already implemented something like this | 14:35 |
| tosky | esikachev, SergeyLukjanov: do we need a spec, right? | 14:36 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, I wouldn't pioneer tooltips unless they are already there. Or, maybe, if you want to be a trailblazer :) | 14:36 |
| crobertsrh | Oh, they have "?" with hover that appear in places. Not sure I've seen it on a table page yet though. | 14:36 |
| tosky | and would it be a candidate for a feature exception? | 14:36 |
| tosky | (as time is running) | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky spec is good | 14:36 |
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| tosky | okidoki | 14:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss today? | 14:39 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 14:40 |
| tmckay | nothing from me | 14:40 |
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| elmiko | 3 | 14:44 |
| elmiko | 2 | 14:44 |
| elmiko | 1 | 14:45 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 14:45:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| huichun | Bye | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-11-14.00.html | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-11-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-11-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks | 14:45 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx elmiko for closing meeting, I've been trying to find some coffee :) (6:45am now) | 14:45 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: so early.... good luck with coffee ;) | 14:46 |
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| huichun | I am continuing to have Chinese holidays | 14:47 |
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| adis | neko iz Bosne za razgovor | 14:47 |
| adis | bilo ko | 14:47 |
| adis | ??? | 14:47 |
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| elmiko | huichun: hope you are having a good new year! | 14:56 |
| huichun | Thx | 14:56 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
| tidwellr | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 15:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| * tidwellr lets people file in | 15:00 | |
| vikram__ | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| tidwellr | Mitaka-3 is approaching quickly | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:02 |
| tidwellr | Any other announcements? | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | the Neutron mid-cycle in Rochester MN | 15:03 |
| * neiljerram says hi | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-midcycle | 15:03 |
| tidwellr | yes, lots of good topics being discussed | 15:03 |
| tidwellr | unfortunately I will not be able to make it :( | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | any other announcements? | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
| tidwellr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:05 |
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| tidwellr | any updates or items to discuss on this one? | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Has been somewhat starve for review time. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | JUst that the patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ got a -1 from Garyk. I think CEdric will respond soon | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | actually he already responded | 15:08 |
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| tidwellr | ok, anything we need to discuss in this setting? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | not from me | 15:10 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | next is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Salvatore Orlando (salvatore-orlando) | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | Looks like we just wait for salv-orlando to post a fix. | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 15:13 |
| tidwellr | ok | 15:13 |
| tidwellr | alright, moving on | 15:13 |
| tidwellr | there a couple of IPAM RFE's #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541895 and #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540512 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541895 in neutron "[RFE] [IPAM] Make IPAM driver a per-subnet pool option" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Belamaric (jbelamaric) | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540512 in neutron "Host dependent IPAM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| neiljerram | I can provide context for the latter, if helpful | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I added them yesterday to the agenda. carl_baldwin mentioned a few days ago that we want to track the rfe's now | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:15 |
| tidwellr | neiljerram: please go ahead :) | 15:15 |
| neiljerram | OK, interesting situation here. | 15:16 |
| neiljerram | Basic idea is to be able to allocate VM IP addresses in a clustered way - per-host, per-rack or per-pod. | 15:16 |
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| neiljerram | Main reason for that is to allow fabric routers to aggregate VM routes - if you're using a routed network implementation. | 15:17 |
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| neiljerram | I suggested this as an Outreachy project, and Petra Sargent stepped up there, and hence is now my mentee on this. | 15:17 |
| neiljerram | Interestingly, though, it came to my notice yesterday that the Romana project have already implemented something that looks very like this. | 15:18 |
| neiljerram | But anyway, questions for this forum.... | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Do you have any links to Romana? | 15:19 |
| neiljerram | 1. whether it's interesting to do a pluggable IPAM driver for this class of use cases; Carl suggested that the routed networks spec would provide an alternative approach based on the proposed Segments | 15:19 |
| neiljerram | https://github.com/romana/networking-romana/blob/master/networking_romana/driver/ipam_romana.py | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: I think there is that one significant different between your requirements and those of the routed networks spec. | 15:20 |
| neiljerram | 2. if yes, whether there's any part of this that is worth commonizing/upstreaming, and hence for possible inclusion in core Neutron | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: namely that your boundaries are soft. | 15:20 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, yes indeed | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Looking at the spec now, I see that both use cases have deferred port binding in common. | 15:21 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, yes, and that's a part of the problem that I haven't really tackled at all yet. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | ... because you need the host binding information to make the IP allocation. | 15:21 |
| tidwellr | neiljerram: From a BGP perspective I like the idea of being able to aggregate DVR host routes where possible, this sounds like a way we could enable that | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: We'll need to figure that one out together. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Good point, when we work floating IPs in to routed networks, this could indeed be useful in that scenario. | 15:22 |
| neiljerram | Another angle here is our experience of ramping up on the pluggable IPAM driver API... | 15:23 |
| neiljerram | First that it's been hard, and secondly that a relatively simple enhancement like this seems to require subclassing lots of classes. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: I notice that your third point in the rfe description is a prerequisite for the first point. | 15:23 |
| * carl_baldwin doesn't see johnbelemaric around. | 15:24 | |
| neiljerram | Strictly no, I think | 15:24 |
| neiljerram | I managed to find a sequence of existing CLI commands that would cause Neutron to allocate a new IP after the host was known | 15:25 |
| neiljerram | Stepping back... the reason this RFE exists is because the neutron-specs process requires it. | 15:26 |
| neiljerram | And the reason I asked Petra to write a neutron-spec was to be a forum where we could start discussing design with John, Pavel etc. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Is there a spec up for review? | 15:27 |
| neiljerram | But as it's not clear that any upstreaming is needed, perhaps I should make that a networking-calico spec instead, and cancel this as a Neutron RFE | 15:28 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, yes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273868/ | 15:28 |
| neiljerram | But currently it doesn't have much more content than the RFE | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Thanks. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: You make some good points. It sounds like you can make some progress without any upstreaming. But, I think to do deferred port binding correctly in all cases will require some work in Neutron and Nova. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Could you document your cli commands that cause Neutron to allocate after the host is known? Is it just letting Nova create the port? | 15:30 |
| neiljerram | Yes, will do. | 15:31 |
| neiljerram | Unfortunately I don't recall the detail right now - it was tricky! | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Thanks. | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | neiljerram: very interesting topic, I have thought a lot about host-aware IPAM, thanks doing more than just thinking! | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: I'm going to move the RFE to Triaged to discuss it in an upcoming drivers meeting. | 15:32 |
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| neiljerram | carl_baldwin, OK, thanks. | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | neiljerram: anything else you'd like to discuss? | 15:32 |
| neiljerram | No, thank you. | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | alright, moving on | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | next RFE is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1370033 | 15:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1370033 in neutron "Admin should be able to manually select the active instance of a HA router" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: I just wanted to draw attention to this one. Seems to have been languishing for some time | 15:33 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks, attention drawn :) | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | More or less, yes. We may need the rest of the time for other topics though. | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | ok, we'll move on then | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | #topic Routed Networks | 15:35 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: you have the floor | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I justed wanted to let people know that I'm going to run another meeting to dive in to the details of routed networks. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278114/ | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | We'll make the decision on the time(s) soon and then I'll worry about why Jenkins is failing and get it merged. | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | It is time for the rubber to hit the road. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, please review the specs | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | ok, so we'll start having deeper discussions in that forum | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Back to you. | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | #topic BGP | 15:37 |
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| tidwellr | Vikram__: ping | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I just rebased your patch due to conflict. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | The conflict resolution was trivial. | 15:38 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I'd be happy to continue rebasing the chain if you want to focus on other stuff. | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks for the help, that would be great | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | I think we have a solution to some of the gate issues for now | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram__ : Be advised that I'll be rebasing the chain. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Actually, looks like vikram__ has already been working on rebasing. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll pick up where he left off. | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | I'm going to spend some time today testing with the patch sets we have | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Great, I'll be reviewing these patches today as my top priority. | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | I want to be sure we can start merging the code that handles centralized routers, the DVR stuff can wait for a minute while we get that moving | 15:42 |
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| tidwellr | I didn't have anything else, Vikram__? | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | ... or vikram__ ? | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's just keep merging! | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | +1 | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | #topic DNS | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DNS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:44 | |
| mlavalle | hi again | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: anything on your mind? | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | quick update | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | the Nova side patch is waiting a final +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271578 | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | I also added unit tests and a realease note here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277302 | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | and finally over the next few days I will be pushing the Networking Guide chapter that covers this topic | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | so, good progress overall | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | any questions? | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Just reading Michael's comment about validation. | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I responded to him | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Are they really validating against the same RFCs? | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I let myself to be guided by the comment... you don't think so? | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Maybe I forgot the outcome of the discussion but I still had it in mind that their validation was *slightly* different. | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Though, I agree that it shouldn't be seen as a problem either way. | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I agree | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, now that the discussion is coming back to me. Maybe my concern is no longer valid. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | I had thought they would allow a name to begin with a digit and we would not. | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks for the update and the great work here | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:51 |
| tidwellr | anything else you'd like to discuss? | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | I'm done | 15:51 |
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| tidwellr | #topic Address Scopes | 15:51 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: we have address scopes!!!! | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah! | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | I need to document now. I've started but that is a whole other learning curve to climb. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I didn't make progress as quickly as I wanted to. | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | But, I blogged with some good technical content that I plan to work in to the docs | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://blog.episodicgenius.com/post/neutron-address-scopes/ | 15:53 |
| tidwellr | blogs are how we doc things these days, right? ;) | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Don't let Sam-I-Am hear you say that! | 15:55 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, tidwellr you are getting yourself in deep trouble :-) | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | It did help me. There is something about writing a blog post that makes it easier for me to get through. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, back to you tidwellr | 15:56 |
| tidwellr | thanks, looks like features are getting buttoned up nicely for Mitaka | 15:57 |
| tidwellr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 15:58 |
| tidwellr | alright, thanks everyone! | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 15:58 |
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| tidwellr | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 15:59:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-02-11-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-02-11-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-02-11-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, all! | 15:59 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 16:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #chair cdent etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | hello | 16:01 |
| cdent | howdy | 16:01 |
| * elmiko hands mic to etoews | 16:01 | |
| * etoews drops mic | 16:01 | |
| * cdent was waiting for that | 16:01 | |
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| elmiko | haha | 16:02 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
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| cdent | so: we had disco balls and glitter in the service catlog meeting, this meeting has a high bar to meet | 16:02 |
| annegentle_ | ha | 16:02 |
| elmiko | lol, nice | 16:02 |
| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-28-16.00.html | 16:02 |
| etoews | well the summit submission is done so +1 | 16:03 |
| elmiko | so, i got all of mine. the server-side traceback guideline merged today | 16:03 |
| etoews | \o/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | huzzah! | 16:03 |
| cdent | motion | 16:03 |
| annegentle_ | nice! | 16:04 |
| elmiko | it actually got a really solid response since the rework, nicely done jaypipes | 16:04 |
| etoews | ah i haven't reached out directly to the CPLs about the errors guideline but have been working with the magnum team. | 16:04 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:04 |
| etoews | more on that later (if we get to it) | 16:04 |
| elmiko | k | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | let's dig in to the meat and potatoes | 16:04 |
| elmiko | #topic service type vs. project name for use in headers | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085145.html | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-02-02-20.01.log.html#l-263 | 16:05 |
| elmiko | etoews | 16:05 |
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| etoews | i managed to read through the email thread yesterday | 16:05 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:05 |
| annegentle_ | that's an accomplishment | 16:06 |
| cdent | the first three agenda items are all really a piece of the same thing | 16:06 |
| elmiko | cdent: yea, pretty much | 16:06 |
| etoews | ya | 16:06 |
| etoews | i'm in agreement with cdent on that thread fwiw | 16:06 |
| cdent | So I would be curious to get etoews' reaction to the whole pile | 16:06 |
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| etoews | :) | 16:07 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:07 |
| annegentle_ | heh there you have it | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | so, basically, we should have a registry based on service types and that we should curate it? | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | lol | 16:07 |
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| * cdent has been experiencing a bit of discomfort lately | 16:08 | |
| etoews | hold on. let me check something. | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | or am i jumping ahead? | 16:08 |
| etoews | i was thinking primarily of this | 16:08 |
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| etoews | "I think that's pretty weak sauce and we need to take both a more assertive and more aggressive stance with regard to achieving quality and consistency in the APIs[1]. Reaching consistency is the primary mission of the group but consistent crap is still crap and our API consumers deserve better." | 16:08 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 16:09 |
| elmiko | and yea, i agree with cdent on this one too. i'm just timid about how we achieve it... | 16:09 |
| cdent | that statement puts us oh so mildly in conflict with sdague's belly's fire | 16:09 |
| annegentle_ | What I keep sensing is "if we had a good API docs site we would have discoverability of conflicts" | 16:10 |
| cdent | If I understand him correctly he doesn't want us striving for purity for purity's sake at the cost of "breaking" existing things. | 16:10 |
| annegentle_ | but can't boil the ocean of course | 16:10 |
| sdague | cdent: right | 16:10 |
| sdague | we did that once | 16:10 |
| sdague | it was called Nova v3.0 | 16:10 |
| sdague | after two years we had to throw the whole thing out because no one was ever going to drop v2 if we did that | 16:10 |
| elmiko | the real question then becomes, where to draw the line between purity and absurdity | 16:10 |
| cdent | yeah, I think we can find a middle ground | 16:11 |
| cdent | What's important to me is that we don't _always_ use precendent as truth | 16:11 |
| elmiko | imo, we have been trying to do that by doing api evaluations before we create guidelines | 16:11 |
| cdent | there's a lot of stuff that is just wrong | 16:11 |
| cdent | elmiko: yes | 16:11 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:11 |
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| sdague | right, but my particular point here was the 4 characters coming out of the header we being deleted for no real reason than purity | 16:12 |
| etoews | it's the standard deprecation dance. right it comes down to a question of how long anyone is willing to support previous versions. | 16:12 |
| sdague | etoews: it's not standard deprecation dance when it comes to APIs | 16:12 |
| etoews | in what regrad? | 16:13 |
| sdague | you can use the original ec2 api as it was in 2006 | 16:13 |
| annegentle_ | heh sdague well. | 16:13 |
| cdent | sdague: I'm not disputing the truth of that, but I guess why we've decided replicating that behavior is a goal? | 16:13 |
| etoews | right. aws has the willingness (and developer workforce) to more or less indefinitely support apis. | 16:13 |
| sdague | if we are looking for adoption on the openstack front, compatibility is key | 16:13 |
| etoews | i'm in full agreement. | 16:14 |
| annegentle_ | totally agree, what would change that would be concerning sdague? | 16:14 |
| sdague | annegentle_: the mailing list post I had | 16:14 |
| etoews | a v3 is conceivable as long as we're willing to support v2 (ideally indefinitely) | 16:14 |
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| sdague | about changing a header name for no good reason | 16:15 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: ah ok | 16:15 |
| elmiko | i'm a little stumped on the whole "remove API_" issue, it makes sense to me to remove it from an outside perspective, but i acknowledge sdague's point as well. it's not clear for me how to draw the line. | 16:15 |
| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085670.html | 16:15 |
| annegentle_ | we're in a different world though where contributors want to have experimental APIs. what can we do about that? | 16:15 |
| etoews | can we save experimental apis for a bit later? | 16:16 |
| annegentle_ | etoews: sure | 16:16 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:16 |
| sdague | yeh, lets sort this one on the microversion spec | 16:16 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: so the other side that I see tho is "just cuz nova did it first we all have to agree?" | 16:17 |
| cdent | I feel like etoews has more to say on the general topic. Do you? | 16:17 |
| sdague | basically I didn't want gratuitious header change. I agree service type instead of code name is important, but dropping API- is gratuitious | 16:17 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: I'm not arguing, I'm pointing out the other view | 16:17 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: yea, that's kinda my question too | 16:17 |
| etoews | let me start by saying i'm willing to back off on having to remove API- | 16:17 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: but I can't tell from reading if it's the four characters or the nova start point? | 16:17 |
| elmiko | etoews: agreed, but i think it makes a good pinata for now | 16:17 |
| sdague | annegentle_: it's because we have multiple things out in the field that do it. | 16:18 |
| etoews | but it really point to what annegentle_ brought up above "just cuz nova did it first we all have to agree?" | 16:18 |
| sdague | telling released services you have to break your users needs a real benefit | 16:18 |
| sdague | not just cuz someone thinks it's nicer | 16:18 |
| elmiko | i don't feel like we're advocating for a reverse in direction for those who implement it with the API- | 16:18 |
| elmiko | we're trying to forge a new way forward | 16:19 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: so, I'm working with SDK devs who are implementing microversions now | 16:19 |
| sdague | elmiko: so instead you'll have to keep a decoder ring of headers | 16:19 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: it's going fine but we are having to explain in one:one conversations. This spec helps immensely of course. | 16:19 |
| elmiko | sdague: i feel like we'll have to do that either way, imo it's part of the evolutionary process | 16:19 |
| sdague | because you can't OpenStack-%s-API-Minimum-Version % service | 16:19 |
| cdent | #idea: For future reference resist standardizing on header types with meaingful and changeable identifiers in the header left hand side. Bad for flexibility and bad HTTP. | 16:19 |
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| sdague | elmiko: see, I feel like this was going to be OpenStack-%s-API-Minimum-Version % service in the code, which is fine. | 16:20 |
| elmiko | interesting though cdent, how do we write guidelines then? | 16:20 |
| etoews | sdague: nope. step 1. add new header to nova. step 2. remove all documentation on old header. step 3. likely nothing (support both headers server side forever) | 16:20 |
| sdague | etoews: you *CAN'T* removal all documentat | 16:21 |
| sdague | there are clouds out there, publicly deployed, where this is the interface | 16:21 |
| cdent | elmiko: generic left hand side, multi-variant right hand side | 16:21 |
| sdague | and the other header isn't accepted | 16:21 |
| sdague | this is a key part of the bootstrapping | 16:21 |
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| elmiko | cdent: maybe, probably, i'm missing something but how would we avoid the API- no API- question? | 16:22 |
| cdent | (elmiko let's punt on that for a minute) | 16:22 |
| elmiko | k | 16:22 |
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| cdent | sdague: I think part of the thinking here is that the number of user and clouds that don't exist yet are much bigger than those that do | 16:22 |
| sdague | cdent: that's always the theory | 16:23 |
| cdent | hope, perhaps? | 16:23 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:23 |
| elmiko | definitely hope ;) | 16:23 |
| sdague | until you piss off all your current users and they go elsewhere and take your future users with them | 16:23 |
| cdent | (btw, I'm not really arguing against sdague, just trying to flesh out the concerns) | 16:23 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: thing is, we don't have a docs site that can document microversions yet. | 16:23 |
| elmiko | same, i'm not opposed to what sdague is talking about. but i want to better understand the problem space. | 16:23 |
| cdent | github keeps changing shit in their api and I haven't left yet? | 16:23 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: so to me, and I sound like I'm single minded, the docs space is the problem space. | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: we can't support without docs | 16:24 |
| sdague | annegentle_: we also have a docs issue, and I'll agree with that | 16:24 |
| etoews | it's a significant aspect of it for sure | 16:24 |
| sdague | annegentle_: we're already supporting it | 16:24 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: agreed to a large extent, having good, *fresh*, api docs help alleviate some of these issues. | 16:24 |
| sdague | people are already writing software using this | 16:24 |
| sdague | we're already using it between services today | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: yes, I talk to them a lot :) | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: about how hard it is to find out what to do :) | 16:24 |
| cdent | :) | 16:24 |
| sdague | annegentle_: sure | 16:25 |
| sdague | but a huge part of fixing all of that has been held up on getting this base spec sorted out, which is hung up on breaking users that have figured out how to use our stuff | 16:25 |
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| sdague | anyway, the point is, in this case, this is a really really critical part of the bootstrapping process. There will be production clouds which don't work with the new header out there for the next 5+ years | 16:26 |
| cdent | I think we have general consensus that we can be flexible abot the -API thing, but the more general issue is still live. | 16:26 |
| elmiko | cdent: +1 | 16:26 |
| sdague | even though documentation hasn't fully caught up, when it does, it's important it works for all clouds | 16:26 |
| sdague | cdent: the more general issue being? | 16:27 |
| etoews | cdent: +1 | 16:27 |
| elmiko | i'm still struggling to figure out how we guide this process in future | 16:27 |
| elmiko | are we allowed to advise changing the namespace for a header, etc... | 16:27 |
| elmiko | do we need a header registry guideline of some sort? | 16:27 |
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| cdent | elmiko: no, we need to not promulgate headers easily | 16:28 |
| elmiko | or even a header name guideline, it just feels kind murky to me | 16:28 |
| cdent | there are much better and correct ways to do http | 16:28 |
| elmiko | cdent: ok, interesting. i'd like to hear more about that | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | (also, meeting halfway point approaching) | 16:29 |
| annegentle_ | is the general issue nova instead of compute? or header names changing generally? | 16:29 |
| etoews | i've been working with swift metadata lately and the headers are an dumping ground of inconsistency. | 16:29 |
| cdent | it's too late to go back in time, but the correct way to have done microversions could have been content-type parameters or a single headler incidcating microversion with the service type on the rhs | 16:29 |
| cdent | etoews: all bets are off with swift | 16:29 |
| cdent | we shouldn't even try there | 16:29 |
| etoews | true | 16:29 |
| cdent | :( | 16:29 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: my issue was header names in general | 16:29 |
| annegentle_ | also swift has over 70 headers and nova has 2 | 16:30 |
| elmiko | cdent: so, are you saying we should back off header advise in general, when possible? | 16:30 |
| cdent | for existing headers we should advise | 16:30 |
| notmyname | ? | 16:30 |
| cdent | and when new ones are proposed we should consider ways to avoid the creation of more headers, or ways to consolidate multiple header propositions under one header | 16:30 |
| annegentle_ | we do already advise against the X- naming | 16:31 |
| elmiko | cdent: maybe a general header guideline to address some of these thoughts would be helpful? | 16:31 |
| annegentle_ | so we are in there doing this as guideance | 16:31 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: right, i was kinda thinking about that | 16:31 |
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| annegentle_ | heh I said swift which is "accio notmyname!" | 16:31 |
| notmyname | heh, yeah | 16:31 |
| notmyname | just checking IRC before I get on the bus :-) | 16:31 |
| sdague | cdent: I'm totally open if you'd like to propose content type negotiation as a follow on instead of changing to OpenStack-[Service-Type]-API-Min-Version | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | i like the idea of capturing the thoughts cdent is talking about, namely alternative to headers and why you would/should use them | 16:32 |
| sdague | but I don't think we should go from name -> service type -> something else | 16:32 |
| cdent | I can write up the resist-headers idea | 16:32 |
| sdague | we get kind of one correction, and carrying around the 2 things forever | 16:32 |
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| sdague | correction, then another correction, and that's just churn | 16:32 |
| cdent | sdague: I don't think we should change the mechanics of microversions now, I'm just saying for other headers people might like to come up with there are other ways | 16:32 |
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| sdague | cdent: ok | 16:32 |
| etoews | that all sounds reasonable to me. | 16:32 |
| elmiko | sdague: agreed, and i'm happy to decide on one direction for the microvers. headers and not changing that (header naming-wise) | 16:32 |
| cdent | so just name -> service-type | 16:32 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: it's only 2 not 72 | 16:33 |
| annegentle_ | and a pattern | 16:33 |
| etoews | we actually have a start on header guidelines here http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/headers.html | 16:33 |
| sdague | annegentle_: sure, but I'm not using 70 as my success bar :) | 16:33 |
| annegentle_ | hell to the no :) | 16:33 |
| sdague | cdent: ok, I'm fine with that then | 16:33 |
| cdent | #action: cdent writes up his ideas on resist headers | 16:33 |
| elmiko | etoews: yea, i was thinking about capturing the more indepth ideas that cdent is talking about | 16:33 |
| elmiko | should we talk about the registry then? | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | or get more into naming? | 16:34 |
| etoews | one sec. | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i feel like we are agreed about the service_type being the choice for naming | 16:35 |
| etoews | so do we comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/4/guidelines/microversion_specification.rst and ask to put API- back in? | 16:35 |
| elmiko | sadly, i feel like we have to for consistency sake | 16:35 |
| cdent | I think that's the compromise we reached | 16:35 |
| annegentle_ | I ... Uh. | 16:35 |
| annegentle_ | an API is a collection of operations? | 16:35 |
| elmiko | i hate to make alex_xu_ go through that again... | 16:35 |
| annegentle_ | or is an API a single interface to the service? | 16:36 |
| annegentle_ | our precision with this term "API" is odd. | 16:36 |
| sdague | I think it will be fine, I can respin for him even | 16:36 |
| sdague | though, the experimental thing is still the problematic one | 16:36 |
| annegentle_ | and honetly to me it's about nova/compute | 16:36 |
| annegentle_ | honestly even | 16:36 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: i think the feeling on the review was that adding API- to the header was kind of redundant | 16:36 |
| annegentle_ | elmiko: ok wasn't just me then | 16:36 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: yeah... that design space without breaking users is really where the conflict lies | 16:37 |
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| sdague | because I *really* don't think we should be endorsing putting experimental things into the APIs, once things are out in the world, they are used | 16:37 |
| elmiko | the main problem with that is that it thrashes the few microversion impls that are actually out there | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | sdague: i have an issue about the experimental stuff | 16:37 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: Me. too. | 16:37 |
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| etoews | can we nail down exactly what the action is on moving forward on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/4/guidelines/microversion_specification.rst and who will take that action? | 16:37 |
| sdague | annegentle_: right, this is just a case where we did it already one way. And the only harm was 4 bytes. | 16:37 |
| annegentle_ | four nova bytes or api- four bytes? | 16:38 |
| elmiko | etoews: it sounds like sdague volunteered to adjust the spec by adding API- back in | 16:38 |
| cdent | I concur with elmiko | 16:38 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: api- , as i understand | 16:38 |
| sdague | elmiko: yes +1 | 16:38 |
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| annegentle_ | ok | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | #action sdage to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429 by adding API- back in | 16:38 |
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| etoews | #action sdague to | 16:39 |
| elmiko | sorry | 16:39 |
| etoews | oops. | 16:39 |
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| annegentle_ | that Dage guy will be busy | 16:39 |
| etoews | no no. i meant to delete that and hit enter instead | 16:39 |
| elmiko | do we need an undo on the last one? | 16:39 |
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| etoews | thanks and let's carry on to a new topic | 16:39 |
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| cdent | we seemed to be naturally veering into experimental territory or shall we go to registry? | 16:39 |
| elmiko | ok, experimental apis isn't on the agenda, but i feel like we should discuss | 16:39 |
| elmiko | yea.. | 16:40 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 16:40 |
| etoews | #undo | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #topic experimental api inclusion | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | ok, experimental stuffs | 16:40 |
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| gouthamr | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273158/ | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i like this, because i'm working a new api version for sahara and it helps. but i could live without it | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | i can also see how having pieces of experimental stuff in a fully production api might be discordant | 16:41 |
| cdent | It is absoluately critical to the health of openstack that there is a way to make experimental apis available to real users. The mechanism of how that is done is what's up for discussion, right? | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | cdent: i feel so, but i think sdague has other ideas | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | ;) | 16:41 |
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| etoews | i think one of the reasons we have suboptimal api designs is because openstack projects seemingly have to come to the table with a fully baked api. | 16:41 |
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| cdent | etoews: yeah, my belly wrote about that too. It's a huge problem. | 16:42 |
| sdague | it feels to me that experimental API should hang off a different endpoint | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | and i agree with cdent's position | 16:42 |
| cdent | I'm okay with different endpoint | 16:42 |
| etoews | without getting an api infront of users in some beta form that's just not doable. | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | i'm fine with advising different endpoint as well | 16:42 |
| annegentle_ | new endpoint ++ | 16:42 |
| gouthamr | cdent: yes, before we allow for bad API evolution with the guise of microversions.... Some projects would want APIs for an entire feature to be experimental until they get feedback and the feature stabilizes.. | 16:42 |
| sdague | like 'compute' is nova API. There could be a 'compute-experimental' that only advertizes experimental resources | 16:42 |
| elmiko | but, i really like the header option too because it forces acknowledgement | 16:42 |
| etoews | agreed | 16:43 |
| cdent | elmiko: if people are using service catalog to find endpoints, isn't it the same thing? | 16:43 |
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| cdent | and we want them to use service catalog... | 16:43 |
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| sdague | it is a different amount of work | 16:43 |
| annegentle_ | there's more acknowledgement from a new entry in the service catalog in my mind | 16:43 |
| elmiko | cdent: would the experimental api have a separate entry in the catalog? | 16:43 |
| * cdent considers making endpoints have opaque urls :) | 16:43 | |
| sdague | and different than bob in IT setting experimental true in their shade fork | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | i'm trying to think from a development standpoint here. | 16:44 |
| sdague | I also think that experimental in the main API is going to be just like javascript github projects | 16:44 |
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| sdague | meh, why release, just pull from master | 16:44 |
| elmiko | if i am working on a experimental feature, would i need to adjust the service catalog to acces it? | 16:44 |
| cdent | when we say "different endpoint" doesn't that imply a different entry in the catalog? | 16:44 |
| etoews | how about identifing the experimental nature in the service catalog? | 16:44 |
| sdague | cdent: yes | 16:44 |
| elmiko | sdague: lol! | 16:44 |
| etoews | type: compute | 16:45 |
| etoews | beta: true | 16:45 |
| elmiko | cdent: i guess it didn't for me | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i was thinking different endpoint like using /v2/... instead of /v1.1/.... | 16:45 |
| cdent | etoews: that came up at summit and was considered...dangerous? | 16:46 |
| sdague | elmiko: no, this needs to be != existing service types | 16:46 |
| cdent | where "that" == "beta: true" | 16:46 |
| annegentle_ | can you give the sahara example? | 16:46 |
| sdague | yeh, that means different things to different people | 16:46 |
| sdague | right, an example might be helpful | 16:46 |
| elmiko | sdague: service catalog would be like, type="data-processing-experimental" ? | 16:46 |
| sdague | elmiko: yeh | 16:46 |
| elmiko | interesting, and i like it | 16:46 |
| sdague | and, importantly, that endpoint *should not* include resources in the main API | 16:47 |
| etoews | suffix is better than a separate field in the structure? | 16:47 |
| elmiko | i definitely agree that driving folks to the service catalog is better than gating through headers | 16:47 |
| cdent | etoews: yeah, because of the lookup process | 16:47 |
| sdague | etoews: it should not be discoverable as a data-processing endpoint | 16:47 |
| sdague | it is not | 16:47 |
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| elmiko | ok, this makes sense to me | 16:47 |
| annegentle_ | "hey I want to do some data processing, whatcha got?" | 16:48 |
| cdent | this aligns with my growing sense of service catalog uber alles | 16:48 |
| sdague | realistically this should be about many many many signals that this bit isn't ready | 16:48 |
| etoews | ah. it's the namespace collision that's the concern. got it. | 16:48 |
| elmiko | sdague: service catalog entry and header... ;) | 16:48 |
| sdague | elmiko: and it doesn't contain the main API resources | 16:49 |
| elmiko | you have to unlock all the deadbolts | 16:49 |
| sdague | so you can't just point your app at the other endpoint | 16:49 |
| elmiko | sdague: yup, agreed | 16:49 |
| sdague | you have to explicitly be calling both | 16:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ for data-processing-experimental | 16:49 |
| elmiko | here's a real world example | 16:49 |
| etoews | gouthamr: thought? | 16:49 |
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| etoews | thoughts? | 16:49 |
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| elmiko | we have old sahara at http://host:port/v1.1/... | 16:49 |
| elmiko | we have new sahara at http://host:port/v2/... | 16:49 |
| gouthamr | etoews: I'm still racking my brains about how resource isolation can be achieved.. what if a feature has DB implications.. | 16:50 |
| elmiko | service catalog shows the first for data-processing, the second for data-processing-experimental | 16:50 |
| elmiko | does that sound right? | 16:50 |
| annegentle_ | are we sorta letting teams be bad at API design a little longer? Or is it not really like that? | 16:50 |
| sdague | elmiko: you could do it that way | 16:50 |
| * annegentle_ recalls the termie talk in Vancouver was it? | 16:50 | |
| sdague | but, honestly, I also think that major API revisions are things projects should just not do any more | 16:50 |
| elmiko | sdague: why not? | 16:51 |
| sdague | we're 3 years into migrating from cinder v1 -> v2, glance v1 -> v2, keystone v2 -> v3 | 16:51 |
| etoews | annegentle_: in some sense i guess. give them space/time to figure out better designs without having to worry about backwards compat. | 16:51 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: yeah I feel like we don't have that luxury because our users lose | 16:51 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: We can be 10 years in and have good user outcomes though. | 16:51 |
| elmiko | sdague: fair point, but our api could really use some major overhauls... | 16:51 |
| annegentle_ | sdague: it's not a time concern as it is a "does it work well" concern | 16:51 |
| sdague | elmiko: right, but if you can get to it in steps, that's what microversions let you do | 16:52 |
| elmiko | and following semver, i can't see how to get use there from here | 16:52 |
| sdague | trust me, we went down this road in Nova | 16:52 |
| cdent | so... I think we are be far to accepting of what the past has shown and letting us drive decision too much. It should certainly inform, but should not control | 16:52 |
| sdague | spent 2 years on it | 16:52 |
| sdague | then lit it all on fire | 16:52 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:52 |
| cdent | Nova is a nightmare of horrible process that should not control the rest of the projects | 16:52 |
| * elmiko thinks "is sdague predicting my next 2 years" | 16:52 | |
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| sdague | cdent: sure, many things aren't great | 16:53 |
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| cdent | Desperately unhealthy is nova. Other projects may be better. | 16:53 |
| sdague | however, glance v2 | 16:53 |
| cdent | yeah, all these "old" projects | 16:53 |
| sdague | cinder v2 | 16:53 |
| sdague | keystone v3 | 16:53 |
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| elmiko | i feel like we can get away with this in sahara though | 16:53 |
| sdague | elmiko: sure, maybe | 16:53 |
| cdent | sometimes evolution needs to be revolutionary. | 16:53 |
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| etoews | show us the way elmiko :) | 16:53 |
| sdague | no project every has though in openstack | 16:54 |
| cdent | Different contexts have different concerns | 16:54 |
| elmiko | i totally understand how migrating nova or keystone might be really tough | 16:54 |
| elmiko | etoews: i'm trying... ;) | 16:54 |
| elmiko | ok, 5 min left | 16:54 |
| etoews | i think magnum is looking at a v2 too | 16:54 |
| elmiko | and we are way off in left field | 16:54 |
| elmiko | do we want to talk registry quickly? | 16:54 |
| cdent | so yeah: we should talk naming registry stuff a little bit | 16:54 |
| cdent | jinx buy me a cooke | 16:54 |
| etoews | i think it was a necessary detour. | 16:54 |
| elmiko | #topic service type name registry | 16:54 |
| etoews | ya | 16:54 |
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| elmiko | etoews: agreed | 16:54 |
| elmiko | ok, so yes, registry, woo, party-time, excellent! | 16:55 |
| cdent | seque here is that an experimental api should never show up in the service registry... | 16:55 |
| elmiko | haha! | 16:55 |
| elmiko | sigh... | 16:55 |
| * elmiko labels cdent "habitual line-stepper" | 16:55 | |
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| annegentle_ | I still want to ask, if we had our docs ducks in a row, would we need this separate registry? | 16:56 |
| cdent | sorry, I like continuity | 16:56 |
| sdague | annegentle_: yes | 16:56 |
| elmiko | i think yes, if only to help new projects | 16:56 |
| annegentle_ | or could the docs site discover / preach truth | 16:56 |
| sdague | no, yes entirely | 16:56 |
| annegentle_ | heh | 16:56 |
| annegentle_ | so the service registry is a pre-doc doc | 16:56 |
| annegentle_ | lookup list | 16:56 |
| sdague | congress grabbed 'policy' as service type | 16:56 |
| sdague | which is just crazy | 16:57 |
| sdague | we do need to mitigate "good names" here | 16:57 |
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| sdague | otherwise we preclude future services in openstack | 16:57 |
| sdague | a registry here is important | 16:57 |
| annegentle_ | now, if a team grabs a name and takes on a mission, what if they don't deliver on it? | 16:57 |
| elmiko | i can't remember how the email chain ended, sdague were you planning on generating a spec for the registry or is this something we could work on through the api-wg? | 16:57 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: i liked the idea about checking the registry at regular intervals to drop kruft | 16:58 |
| sdague | elmiko: I ended with I would create this repo - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278612/ | 16:58 |
| elmiko | also, cdent's idea about projects only grabbing the name when they acutally *need* it | 16:58 |
| elmiko | sdague: oh, awesome! | 16:58 |
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| sdague | in the service catalog tng group we're sketching basic format | 16:58 |
| elmiko | and thank you =) | 16:58 |
| annegentle_ | ok, yeah, the timing is good too. Only take a name when you really have a service running | 16:58 |
| sdague | and I think we'll just review bits in | 16:58 |
| annegentle_ | yeah that was the happy dance party | 16:59 |
| elmiko | annegentle_: right, no squatting | 16:59 |
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| elmiko | 1min | 16:59 |
| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086269.html | 16:59 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278612/ | 17:00 |
| etoews | no squatting, no cookie licking | 17:00 |
| elmiko | definitely no cookie licking lol | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | ok, thanks everybody! | 17:00 |
| cdent | we're still kind of dancing around the problem of an API needing to be something close to done before being able to be "real" (where real means persisting in the registry and the service catalog) | 17:00 |
| * cdent takes it to #openstack-sdks | 17:00 | |
| elmiko | i'm more on your side with that one cdent | 17:00 |
| annegentle_ | cdent: yeah it's about getting better at API design, yep yep | 17:00 |
| elmiko | and yea, we're out of time | 17:00 |
| elmiko | take it top -sdks | 17:00 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 17:00:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-02-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-02-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-02-11-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 17:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | Courtesy ping doug-fish markvan markvan_ kzaitsev_mb kfox1111 | 17:01 |
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| markvan_ | yo! | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| docaedo | hello! | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | Pretty light agenda today: | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:02 |
| doug-fish | hi! | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:02 | |
| docaedo | One thing on the agenda for today was the "Fix Create Image angularjs code" | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251670/ | 17:02 |
| docaedo | and that merged (woohoo!) so that's a nice update :) | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | oh statusbot, keep up! | 17:03 |
| markvan_ | I noticed yesterday is still was not fully working, but looks to be bug | 17:03 |
| markvan_ | but the fields are being populated | 17:03 |
| docaedo | Anyway was really glad to see that horizon fix merge - oh you had issues? I ran devstack a few minutes after it got into master and all was good for me | 17:03 |
| docaedo | what did you run in to? | 17:04 |
| markvan_ | the form had incorrectly displayed the kernel and ramdisk fields, which are not used in the qcow2 case | 17:04 |
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| doug-fish | markvan_: did you open a new bug for that yet? | 17:05 |
| docaedo | true, I guess I never even notice those fields since I just ignore 'em .. but a logged bug would be good | 17:05 |
| markvan_ | naw, was going to hit it again today, that I can open it. | 17:05 |
| docaedo | cool thanks | 17:05 |
| docaedo | The other status update I wanted to bring up: | 17:06 |
| docaedo | Horizon integration tests | 17:06 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276440/ | 17:06 |
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| markvan_ | yup, that should be ready now | 17:06 |
| docaedo | markvan_: thanks for this! I'll try to review it today, really appreciate your effort | 17:07 |
| markvan_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276438/ | 17:07 |
| markvan_ | well, this is just the start, after these get in I can push to actually make it run a valid test. | 17:07 |
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| docaedo | right :) I'm excited for that, it's been something on agenda in the past, and something we've talked about, but it was beyond me to do it and nobody else had time | 17:08 |
| docaedo | (BTW I have to bail in 10 minutes or so, but can pass chair to someone else if we still have a raging debate happening) | 17:09 |
| docaedo | Anyone else have status updates? kzaitsev_mb maybe? | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don't have much =) | 17:09 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to update my glare plugin patch today, would add Bundles and work on directory structure | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sorry, finger slipped =) | 17:10 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: cool - keep us posted on things, and reach out on the regular channel if/when there's stuff we can look at the help with | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | after that — I was planning to work on the scripts, that would install the glare itself on a.o.o =) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: ok, that's going to get somewhat complicated - it'll have to be done via puppet through infra repo, | 17:11 |
| docaedo | and of course will have to deal with DB side of things | 17:11 |
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| docaedo | so before we even get to that, good plan to make a WIP that installs locally (which we can all do for testing) and work through the kinks | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: yep, I think I can peek at the way python server was installed, so it shouldn't be too scary =) | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: do you want me to add, maybe a README how to test it? | 17:12 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: absolutely, that would be great! | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | makes sense indeed. I had a couple of mishaps along the way, so I should document them ) | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | for sure, also I think other people wanting to kick the tires on glare would appreciate it, as it will be an easy way to test/experiment | 17:14 |
| docaedo | OK moving on then... | 17:16 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | I don't have anything for open discussion today, but will wait a few minutes for anyone else | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | I'll give it one more minute, and then we just get to end early | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | alrighty - thanks everyone, talk to you later! | 17:20 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 17:20:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-02-11-17.01.html | 17:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman igordcard ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:02 |
| igordcard | hi all | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 18:02:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Feb_11th.2C_4th.2C_2016 | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:03 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the fix for the critical bug which we was reported last week in the UI, is still making its way through the backports | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 18:04 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | other than that i dont see any critical priority pending bugs | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:04 |
| songole | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | speak up if anyone has any high priority bugs to discuss | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: still no new releases of the stable branches | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since i noticed that we still seem to be fix some issues in the drivers | 18:06 |
| rkukura | right, but a bit of news on the RDO front | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, saw the email | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please go ahead | 18:06 |
| rkukura | The Red Hat folks are proceeding with setting up our kilo and liberty branches in Delorean | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice! | 18:07 |
| rkukura | So package builds for RDO on CentOS 7 will be generated on each commit to those branches | 18:07 |
| tbachman | rkukura: sweet! | 18:07 |
| rkukura | I believe some CI is done on those as well. | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok, that was my question | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | do they run a CI, and if so what does it do? | 18:08 |
| rkukura | They run tempest smoke tests on the packages. Initially I think this will just verify that installing our packages doesn’t break those tests. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok, that sounds reasonable | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I think we will need puppet modules integrating GBP with the base RDO install to actually configure GBP | 18:09 |
| rkukura | Then it should be possible to get additional tests run against the deployment | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is there a specific time frame by which we need to get this done? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and/or is it a requirement for “certification”? | 18:10 |
| rkukura | I don’t think this is directly a requirement for vendor product certification that is based on RHEL OSP, not RDO. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:12 |
| rkukura | We do need to make a bit of a commitment though | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: committment to add the puppet modules? | 18:12 |
| rkukura | Once GBP is turned on in Delorean, we are obligated to fix issues that show up. | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I don’t think we are commited to add the puppet modules, at least not yet | 18:13 |
| rkukura | But if we commit something that breaks whatver testing is being done with Delorean, we are expected to promptly fix it | 18:13 |
| rkukura | There would be automated email notification to the maintainer(s) if something breaks | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:14 |
| rkukura | Right now, I’m the only maintainer listed. But we should add at least one more to make sure we can always respond quickly | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: until there are no tests are not run against GBP, then no GBP modules will get loaded | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the chances that it breaks their tests (say tempest tests for neutron) is pretty slim, right? | 18:15 |
| rkukura | Right, but it is still possible something could change that prevented RPMs from building or installing, and that would need to be fixed | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: absolutely | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | Like dependency issues, etc. | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:16 |
| rkukura | Of course, we will want to enable this for master too as soon as possible | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, since you bring up master | 18:16 |
| rkukura | Which I think requires our master to depend on the other projects’ master branches rather than liberty | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i hit a bit of a speed bump on syncing our master with openstack master | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | having some problems with extension loading in the tests | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i am working on that | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one thing to note, all extension definitions should always extend ExtensionDescriptor | 18:17 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I wouldn’t be surprised if something has changed that would require our monkeypaching to be updated | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true, but i have not reached that point yet | 18:18 |
| rkukura | OK | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my thinking was that some of the monkey patching would not be needed any more | 18:18 |
| rkukura | that would be ideal | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our Group_policy_mapping extension was not extending ExtensionDescriptor and that was preventing it from being loaded | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the next problem i am facing is that our tests fail at loading a new extension “router_availability” extension that was just introduced in neutron | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ideally we should not have to load this extension | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but the way our UTs are setup its getting into some wierd extension dependency issue | 18:20 |
| * tbachman wonders if that has to do with our L3 plugin inheriting from DVS | 18:20 | |
| tbachman | s/DVS/DVR/ | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: good point | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: however, I dont think our UTs use the DVR based extension | 18:21 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ACK | 18:21 |
| * SumitNaiksatam cant help notice that tbachman also lives in DVS in land, chuckle!! | 18:21 | |
| tbachman | lol | 18:21 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: if only I had a nickel for everytime I mis-typed GBP and BGP | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so anyone, just wanted to say that i am slowed up on that front | 18:22 |
| tbachman | too many TLAs | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol! | 18:22 |
| rkukura | ;) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the other thing about sycing up with the master, i am only doing things that will get the UTs and integration tests to pass | 18:23 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Let me know if I can help (although I’ll be on PTO next week) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i anticipate that we will have to add follow up patches to incorporate some of the newer “features" | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes sure, will definitely ping you when you are available | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update on packaging | 18:24 |
| rkukura | np | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design Specs | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | QoS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/ | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i noticed igordcard posted an update on the spec | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if folks got a chance to take a look | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if not we can spend a couple of mins reading this section: | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/3/specs/mitaka/initial-qos-support.rst | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its short | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant “REST API impact” section | 18:26 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, hi | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: ah you are back | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for the updated spec | 18:26 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, yes I'm here but I'm splitting my attention, unfortunately | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: np | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: so i am leaning towards an abstracted resource definition for QoS in GBP | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what does the rest of the team think? | 18:27 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think that makes sense | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any one else have thoughts on this please comment on the review | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: could you provide a strawman of what the abstracted QoS definition would look like in this spec? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | QoS was one of the actions we had from the start, will go through and post my comments | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok thanks | 18:30 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, yes I'll come up with something | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: great thanks! | 18:30 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, can you leave a comment on the spec with the abstract resource idea? | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: ok | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | next one, “NFP” #link # https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239743 (we have a new TLA ;-) _ | 18:32 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ;) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks for posting the update | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: but i dont think the team would have had a change to go through your latest rev | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *chance | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | update has most of the structure and the apis, would like to get comments on this once they have a chance to review | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had some comments (probably the same as what i had communicated offline) but i did not get a chance to note them | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: is this spec complete at your end, or is it still WIP? | 18:34 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam:addressed some of them in the updated one, will respond to the other | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: specifically my question in the context of the API definition and data model | 18:34 |
| hemanthravi | some of the api's might change, but i think it'c complete enough to get reviews | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: what is NSD? | 18:35 |
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| hemanthravi | network service device | 18:35 |
| hemanthravi | for eg a vm that renders the service | 18:36 |
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| hemanthravi | i'll add the description in the spec, if it's missing | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, i see that you have it defined, sorry did not find that earlier | 18:36 |
| hemanthravi | addressed that from the last set of comments | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for hemanthravi at this point? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was an offline meeting to discuss some of this context, at which most of this team was present | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: assignees - “Rukhsana Ansari (rukansari)” still valid? | 18:38 |
| hemanthravi | i'll change that | 18:38 |
| hemanthravi | after i check with her | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it will be great to have her contribute | 18:39 |
| hemanthravi | after everyone had a chance to review, we could do another hangout if reqd | 18:39 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam:yes | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: does “network_service_healthmonitor” have anything to do with the lbaas healthmonitor or is it an independent definition? | 18:40 |
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| hemanthravi | this is independent of lb | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:40 |
| hemanthravi | and will apply to any type of service, the impl abstracted by a driver | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, the status will be something binary, like UP or DOWN? | 18:41 |
| hemanthravi | yes | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can check later if its defined in the spec somewhere | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay thanks | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | requesting everyone in the team to take a look at this revised version of the spec | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: should we expect to see WIP implementation patches while we are discussing this spec? | 18:42 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam:yes, magesh, ahmed should be submitting patches soon | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay great, thanks for the update and looking forward to the patches as well | 18:43 |
| hemanthravi | will go in parallel for some time | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: cool | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | last week rkukura brought up the topic of Austin Summit submissions | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some of use submitted this: | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/6894 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a hands on session | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please vote | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone submit anything else specific to GBP? | 18:46 |
| hemanthravi | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8724 | 18:46 |
| hemanthravi | vote on this one too | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:47 |
| hemanthravi | few more below | 18:47 |
| hemanthravi | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7359 | 18:47 |
| hemanthravi | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/8595 | 18:47 |
| hemanthravi | from a GBP based cloud deployer | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else to discuss today? | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: we see you | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if nothing else, we can wrap up for today! | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 18:50 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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| hemanthravi | bye | 18:50 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-02-11-18.02.html | 18:50 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting Ops Guide Specialty Team | 21:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hi everyone. I hope I'm doing this correctly. I'm Devon and I work with Shilla in OpenStack community group. | 21:31 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 21:31 |
| DevonBoatwright | This is my first irc meeting. | 21:31 |
| njohnston_ | I don't think you are listed as a chair, only a chair can #startmeeting | 21:31 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Ah, ok. Shilla requested I begin the meeting | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:33 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hey there | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting Ops Guide Specialty Team | 21:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 21:33:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops Guide Specialty Team)" | 21:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide_specialty_team' | 21:33 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | i had no idea you had to be listed for that to work | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | can we get a roll call? | 21:33 |
| njohnston | here | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | and @DevonBoatwright as well | 21:34 |
| darrenc | here | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else? | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi Darrenc | 21:34 |
| darrenc | hi! | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | how it goes? | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright so lets go ahead and get started | 21:34 |
| darrenc | busy! | 21:34 |
| njohnston | According to the eavesdrop .ics feed the meeting is next week FYI | 21:35 |
| darrenc | oh? | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | really | 21:35 |
| darrenc | I was going with the google calendar invite | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | i thought it was odd weeks | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | :\ | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah same here | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | cal invite | 21:36 |
| darrenc | I don't mind having one today | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | as long as were not interfering with another meeting | 21:36 |
| darrenc | there's a few things to discuss | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | which is entirely possible | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | DarrenC is that cal invite from you or me | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | we should cancel it | 21:37 |
| darrenc | I think me | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | use ics so that we get it right | 21:37 |
| darrenc | ok | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome | 21:37 |
| darrenc | will do | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | so that will be our first order of business! | 21:37 |
| vhoward | o/ | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi vhoward | 21:37 |
| vhoward | hey guys/gals | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | also can we list others as chairs too? | 21:37 |
| njohnston | yep | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | i had no idea nobody else could start the meeting | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | so im currently at an appointment right now | 21:38 |
| darrenc | yeah anyone can | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | wasnt going to make the meeting | 21:38 |
| njohnston | I can put in a change in the irc-meetings project to add Devon if you like | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks | 21:38 |
| vhoward | thanks nate | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | so i might drop off in 10-15 min or so | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks guys! | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok so #topic Welcome Devon! | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Devon is new to our team, she has been setup with Gerrit and launchpad and has been contributing this week as well | 21:39 |
| darrenc | Welcome DevonBoatwright | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | she will be helping us w/the ops and arch guides and were excited to have her | 21:39 |
| darrenc | \o/ | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | @darrenc i was wondering if we can update the wiki w/our team members | 21:40 |
| darrenc | will do | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | it seems like we have a lot of ppl listed however no participation | 21:40 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks! Excited to be here! | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | should we update the list and start with the members who are participating then do a call for help again? | 21:40 |
| darrenc | yeah, I'll edit the list | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe seeing a long list of names makes it seem like we have a full staff | 21:40 |
| darrenc | good idea | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i noticed that the other day | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | and i thought wow thats a long list of names | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | looks like we have a big team | 21:41 |
| njohnston | Hey, since I am editing the meeting config, shall I change this from biweekly-odd to biweekly-even and make this meeting legit? | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes! | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | that works | 21:41 |
| vhoward | +1 on that njohnston: | 21:41 |
| darrenc | thanks njohnston | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | so yeah maybe we can start the team list on our wiki from scratch and go from there | 21:41 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/279276 | 21:42 |
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| ShillaSaebi | cool thanks Nate that was quick! | 21:43 |
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| njohnston | no time like the present! | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | brb | 21:44 |
| darrenc | ok edited the team list | 21:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool just saw it | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | looks much better | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic arch guide | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "arch guide (Meeting topic: Ops Guide Specialty Team)" | 21:48 | |
| ShillaSaebi | on the agenda, we have: convert tasks to bugs, focus on arch guide | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka | 21:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thats Monday-Wednesday, March 7-9, 2016 | 21:49 |
| darrenc | yeah so I thought converting those tasks inhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items would give some exposure | 21:49 |
| darrenc | to bug* | 21:49 |
| darrenc | urrgh bugs* | 21:49 |
| darrenc | and might encourage other people to work on them | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok thats a good call | 21:50 |
| darrenc | and fyi, there's a global hackfest happening, so I thought it would be a great opportunity to focus on the arch guide | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 21:50 |
| darrenc | see who we could round up | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe @DevonBoatwright and I can sit together and go through some of this | 21:50 |
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| darrenc | So i'm going to the Sydney hackfest with a few other writers, and we'll focus on the arch guide | 21:51 |
| DevonBoatwright | I would love to go through it | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | suweeet | 21:51 |
| darrenc | plus there will be some SMEs at the hackfest which could be handy | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes! | 21:51 |
| darrenc | great | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | USA - New York City (hosted by IBM): https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-NewYorkCity | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | this might work for us | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | @njohnston @vhoward what do you guys think? | 21:52 |
| vhoward | you mean in person or just grabbin' stuff of etherpad | 21:52 |
| njohnston | vhoward: just what I was wondering :-) | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | in person | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think thats more effective | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | but thats just my opinion | 21:53 |
| njohnston | I'll run it up the flagpole | 21:53 |
| darrenc | in person for each timezone | 21:54 |
| vhoward | +1 what nate said | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 what nate and vic said | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats a good idea though | 21:54 |
| vhoward | lol shilla we will get with you and come up with a solid list to justify and do our best | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | and 3 weeks out | 21:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok sounds great | 21:54 |
| darrenc | cool, so shall we pull the call out to see who can get involved? | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure yes | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | ops ml and docs ml ? | 21:56 |
| darrenc | sounds good | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok i will take that task on | 21:56 |
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| darrenc | and I'll poke a few ppl in APAC | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds good | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on that? | 21:57 |
| darrenc | I guess the other action item is creating bugs | 21:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so we'll need people to go through the entire guide | 21:58 |
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| darrenc | fyi, in each bug we'll need to mention to do in the work arch-guide-draft directory, not arch-guide | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | and find stuff | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats fine | 21:58 |
| darrenc | and reference the bug number in the work items list | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can work on that too | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 21:59 |
| darrenc | cool, I can help with that as well | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | or we can use a tag | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | so that we can pull all the bugs up related to the arch guide | 21:59 |
| darrenc | good idea | 21:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok hows just arch-guide | 21:59 |
| darrenc | oh, and mention to tag commits to the blueprint as well | 22:00 |
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| darrenc | sounds good | 22:00 |
| darrenc | well, mention the blueprint in commit messages | 22:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds like a plan | 22:01 |
| darrenc | indeed! | 22:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | moving alone | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | along* | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic ops guide | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops guide (Meeting topic: Ops Guide Specialty Team)" | 22:02 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Scope changes before deciding on a revision or new edition | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we had an email go out on the ML | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | yeah, so it appears everyone wants a new edition or revision | 22:03 |
| darrenc | but I think we need to work out what needs changing or updating to determine whether it is a revision or new edition | 22:04 |
| darrenc | I was thinking the ops midcycle would be a great opportunity to do that | 22:04 |
| darrenc | and someone on the team could moderate a session | 22:05 |
| darrenc | Alex offered, but she missed out on a ticket | 22:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah im not going to that either | 22:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do we have anyone else thats willing to do that | 22:07 |
| darrenc | One of the ops? | 22:07 |
| darrenc | We could ask on the ops ML | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can just reply all to the email thread thats already going? | 22:08 |
| darrenc | yeah | 22:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do we have it listed on the ops meetup etherpad | 22:08 |
| darrenc | I did like tom | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah tom is great | 22:08 |
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| darrenc | tom's suggestion of everyone posting sticky notes of everything they could think of | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:09 |
| darrenc | and then collating and grouping them | 22:09 |
| darrenc | It's kind of a good way to look at things with fresh eyes | 22:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes definitely | 22:10 |
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| darrenc | anyway, I think we need to at least finish the arch guide before tackling the ops guide | 22:12 |
| darrenc | doing two books at once is too much | 22:12 |
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| darrenc | but it doesn't hurt to start looking scoping changes to the ops guide now | 22:13 |
| darrenc | at* | 22:13 |
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| darrenc | anyone else have any thoughts on this? | 22:14 |
| katomo | what action is needed for arch guide? | 22:14 |
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| darrenc | oh, hi katomo! | 22:15 |
| katomo | I don't know the current status | 22:15 |
| katomo | hi darrenc | 22:15 |
| darrenc | Sorry not sure when you joined the meeting | 22:15 |
| darrenc | but we were discussing converting work items in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items to bugs | 22:16 |
| darrenc | and focussing on them during the OpenStack hackfest | 22:16 |
| vhoward | so i feel like scoping or listing things in detail is never a bad practice, i really liked the "hear is a managable unit of work sign up for one item" | 22:16 |
| katomo | thanks | 22:17 |
| vhoward | here not hear sigh | 22:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i have to step away | 22:18 |
| darrenc | yes, thanks vhoward | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok if i do the end meeting or can someone else do it | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | Darrenc are you listed as a chair as well? | 22:19 |
| darrenc | no, but I can still do it | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok cool | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | im going to step away | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for everything | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | you will see an email from Devon or I tomorrow | 22:19 |
| darrenc | thanks ShillaSaebi | 22:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thanks bye! | 22:19 |
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| katomo | bye ShillaSaebi | 22:20 |
| darrenc | , #action create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items | 22:21 |
| darrenc | #action create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items | 22:21 |
| darrenc | dang that didn't work | 22:21 |
| katomo | :) | 22:21 |
| darrenc | #action Ask on ops ML who can moderate an ops guide session during the ops midcycle | 22:22 |
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| darrenc | #action Ask on ops and docs ML who can participate in the OS hackfest | 22:23 |
| katomo | #action darrenc create bugs for task listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_work_items | 22:23 |
| katomo | sorry, duplicate... didn't work | 22:24 |
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| darrenc | no worries | 22:24 |
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| darrenc | ok moving on | 22:24 |
| darrenc | #topic open discussion | 22:25 |
| darrenc | ok, I guess you need to be chair for this to work | 22:25 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I think Shilla's intention was that I would be able to fill in for her. | 22:25 |
| DevonBoatwright | But I guess I can't yet. | 22:25 |
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| darrenc | yeah, not until njohnston patch is merged | 22:26 |
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| darrenc | ok, anything else to discuss? | 22:26 |
| katomo | nothing from me | 22:27 |
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| darrenc | ok, I think we're done | 22:28 |
| darrenc | #endmeeting | 22:28 |
| darrenc | darn | 22:28 |
| darrenc | we can't end the meeting :P | 22:29 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 22:29 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone! | 22:29 |
| katomo | wow | 22:29 |
| katomo | #endmeeting | 22:29 |
| katomo | ... | 22:30 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 22:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 22:50:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide_specialty_team/2016/ops_guide_specialty_team.2016-02-11-21.33.html | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide_specialty_team/2016/ops_guide_specialty_team.2016-02-11-21.33.txt | 22:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide_specialty_team/2016/ops_guide_specialty_team.2016-02-11-21.33.log.html | 22:50 |
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| Shillasaebi | #endmeeting | 23:51 |
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| anteaya | ShillaSaebi: yeah so I ended the meeting | 23:55 |
| anteaya | after 60 minutes anyone can end the meeting | 23:55 |
| anteaya | prior to that only meeting chairs can end it | 23:55 |
| anteaya | the person who starts the meeting is a chair | 23:55 |
| anteaya | and they can make other people chair by using the #chair command | 23:56 |
| anteaya | so using #chair <nick of other chair> | 23:56 |
| anteaya | also any whitespace before a command doesn't get parsed | 23:56 |
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| anteaya | so the reason the meeting couldn't begin the first time is due to the whitespace before the # in the startmeeting command | 23:57 |
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| anteaya | if you have difficulty with meetings in the future do pop into #openstack-infra and let us know so we can helpl | 23:57 |
| anteaya | help | 23:57 |
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