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fawadkhaliqhi reedip06:29
reedip#startmeeting taas06:29
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 10 06:29:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is reedip. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.06:29
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reedipAs no one was there, I started it...hope its ok06:29
fawadkhaliqhi guys06:30
reedipHi fawadkhaliq, kaz, anil_rao, soichi, yamamoto06:30
reedipso lets start the meeting06:30
reedip#topic : Agenda06:30
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reedip#link :
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reedipSo as per the last discussion, lets pick up the points mentioned in the link06:32
reedipa) Review of the l2 extension06:32
reedipI have done it a bit, but not too much.  Vinay would also chip in when he is available, I guess .06:32
fawadkhaliqreedip: I have it06:33
fawadkhaliqdone it06:33
fawadkhaliqinfact been part of the design of l2-gateway :-)06:33
fawadkhaliqLet me know what information we are looking for around l2-gateway06:33
reedipfawadkhaliq : great , then you can help us with the implementation of TaaS as an L2 extension06:33
fawadkhaliqSorry I missed the last meeting; was out sick.06:33
fawadkhaliqreedip: Yes06:33
fawadkhaliql2-gateway has a nice implementation that it uses neutron standard ports for external endpoints06:34
fawadkhaliqmapping to vlans/ports on the physical switches behind VTEPs06:34
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reedipfawadkhaliq: do you have any documentation for the same? would be great and help us understand the model as well06:34
fawadkhaliqso from the API/design perspective, we just need to make sure we can support *any* type of Neutron port rather than just compute ports.06:35
fawadkhaliqreedip: this will also make sure we align TaaS with container networking work I am working on in parallel and VLAN aware VMs will be introduced and TaaS will work seamlessly there as well06:35
fawadkhaliqreedip: sure, let me find something use for you guys06:35
fawadkhaliqplease assign an action item to me06:36
reedip#action : fawadkhaliq to share some of the documents used in L2 gateway, for implementation of TaaS as a Neutron L2 extension06:36
fawadkhaliqreedip: thanks06:36
reedipanyone else wants to add something to the L2 extension discussion?06:37
fawadkhaliqI can share some details on the use case06:37
fawadkhaliqso the idea is that the destination can be a virtual instances or a physical appliance behind l2-gateway connections.06:38
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fawadkhaliqThe most common/most requested use case I have seen is actually around devices which are outside the virtual env, so l2-gateway fits perfectly in this area, where a physical machines maps to a VLAN/port and is associated to a Neutron network via standard port construct, which has IP and other metadata.06:39
fawadkhaliqthis was a quick summary for everyone's benefit :) that's all06:40
reedipfawadkhaliq: thanks for the summary :)06:41
reedipdoes anyone else want to add something, or should we move on ?06:42
reedipOkay moving on06:43
reedip#topic  Addition of Tap-as-a-service to Governance06:43
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reedipyamamoto proposed the above link , for submission of TaaS into Governance , as well as Neutron Stadium06:44
reedipnow TaaS seems like a good model for the Neutron Stadium, but with the recent discussions about which projects can be a part of the stadium and which should not, I think we can remove the dependancy of TaaS being a part of Neutron Stadium right now, and concentrate on its acceptance into governance06:45
reedipthoughts/comments anyone???06:45
yamamotoi guess we should wait for the discussion settled06:46
fawadkhaliqyamamoto: +106:46
fawadkhaliqRussell has two patches around this06:46
fawadkhaliqwe can probably wait for those to get finalized so we don't have to change later06:46
yamamotothis review covers us i believe.  if you have any opinion how it should be, it's time to chime in.06:48
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reedipyamamoto: +106:49
fawadkhaliqso maybe action item for TaaS team to review these patches?06:49
reedipyamamoto: but I think most of the neutron folks are in favor of  keeping advanced services separate, atleast for now06:49
yamamotofawadkhaliq: yes06:50
reedipfawadkhaliq: yes, it would be good06:50
reedip#action All: review and see how it syncs up with TaaS06:50
yamamotomy impressions is either in or out are fine for taas.06:51
reedipyamamoto: Having it in Neutron would help us with neutron core-drivers team, in a way06:51
reedipyamamoto: having it outside neutron gives us an independent scope , and ability to drive it ourselves, with helpful inputs from the Neutron core team06:52
reedipif TaaS is to be considered a separately driven team, with its own objectives and goals, but with good amount of inputs from Neutron, then even having it outside works06:53
yamamotoreedip: i guess it's the other way around.  governance should just reflect the reality.06:54
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yamamotolet's go over the rest of topics.06:55
reedipyeah moving on06:56
reedip#topic : Two +2 voting06:56
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reedipanil_rao , in the last meeting we considered that Two +2 voting should be good for TaaS patches06:56
fawadkhaliq+2 to 2 +2s ;-)06:57
reedipanil_rao: I think this has to be enabled by Repository Owner in gerrit itself.... if so, and if everyone agrees with the Two +2 voting, can we enable it in gerrit?06:57
reedipok, I got fawadkhaliq 's vote :)06:57
vnyyadspoke to anil_rao over this and we agree to that... we need 2 core reviewers saying yes06:58
yamamotoreedip: i don't think it can/should be forced by gerrit.  it's just a policy.06:58
vnyyadreedip, fawadkhaliq: +206:59
reedipyamamoto: I dont know how to enable it, just asked it from the tempest team-member :)06:59
reedipvnyyad: welcome  :) and I guess you and anil_rao are the 2 core for TaaS, isnt it?06:59
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vnyyadyes... but i guess we should also expand the core reviewers by another 207:00
fawadkhaliqvnyyad: +107:00
reedipvnyyad : yes, this is something we discussed last week as well, but was cut short due to time lapse07:00
fawadkhaliqgiven we are making progress and there will be work around this area moving forward.07:00
reedipdoes everyone else agree  with increasing the core reviewers?07:01
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vnyyadfawad, reedip: +107:01
yamamotoreedip: +107:01
fawadkhaliqreedip: +107:01
reedipOkay, I guess, majority ( reedip +1 ) votes are in favor07:02
yamamotovnyyad: anil_rao: you should propose new core reviewers on openstack-dev as other projects do.07:02
reedipvnyyad, anil_rao : I think the next step would be proposal from your end as to who would be the new core reviewer07:02
reedipyamamoto: you beat me to it :)  +107:02
vnyyadyamamoto: sure, we shall do it by next week, i will speak with anil on this tomorrow in his morning07:03
reedip#action : vnyyad, anil_rao to propose new core reviewers in the openstack-dev ML07:03
reedipokay, moving on, one important news07:03
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reedipOur summit session is up for vote07:04
reedipso I hope everyone knows what to do :)07:04
fawadkhaliqreedip: lol07:04
soichii added "+3"07:04
reedipfor those who dont, do click on the link , and if you consider Tap as a Service to be a good session , provide it the votes :)07:05
fawadkhaliqand please do evangelize with your peers from community :-)07:05
reedip#action : all : vote for the summit session, if you like it :)07:05
reedipokay, thats it for the points in the Agenda .07:06
soichicurrently, we are under making update Horizon dashbpard for TaaS.07:06
reedip#topic : open-discussion07:06
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soichiwe have re-designed to support options offered by TaaS CLI.07:06
soichii wish it is useful for demo.07:06
reedipsoichi , thats a great idea actually :)07:06
anil_raoIf its okay with folks I'd like to bring forth a concern I have regarding the TaaS project07:07
reedipend users would love to see something graphical, than a black screen with white text :)07:07
reedipanil_rao : sure07:07
fawadkhaliqanil_rao: please do07:07
anil_raoThe main issue I see is that the TaaS project, despite being in existence for more than 1.5 years is still not available to customers in an official capacity.07:08
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anil_raoWe constantly get asked by our customers as to what is keeping something as simple as port-mirroring from making it into OpenStack. After some soul seraching, I think we might be overdesigning the project, at least at this juncture.07:09
vnyyadanil_rao: +107:09
anil_raoIMHO what we should start out with is simple mirroring of Neutron ports -- source port(s) --> destination port. The existing API is sufficient to support this.07:10
reedipanil_rao : +107:10
fawadkhaliqanil_rao: agree with it. should we make it a phased approach to cater for other use cases as well?07:11
soichianil_rao: +107:11
vnyyadfawadkhaliq: yes, in phases07:11
anil_raoYes, I support the idea of a phased implementation.07:11
vnyyadanil_rao: +107:11
fawadkhaliqvnyyad: anil_rao so currently we have something that works07:11
reedipfawadkhaliq, anil_rao : complicated things can be moved to a differentversion ( like we have for FW and LB )07:11
fawadkhaliqi was thinking we could something like phase 1, phase 2 on the design07:12
anil_raothat would be the idea.07:12
anil_raoIf we want the support of the user and provider community then we must deliver something.07:12
vnyyadfirst thing is to build confidence in potential users that we will get something in..07:12
fawadkhaliqwhere we have the current design, we revert to the original design which works and right after we propose the additional changes. Like Policy, Networks etc07:12
vnyyadfawadkhaliq: +107:13
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reedipso we are looking at delivering the working model for release in Austin Session :)07:13
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anil_raoThat was what we all were thinking when we met in Tokyo. However, I am not sure if that will be possible at this time. What do you all feel?07:14
fawadkhaliqanil_rao: I think its ambitious to make a release in Mitaka07:16
yamamotoi think it's possible to make a release for M, as far as we concentrate into minimum functionality07:16
fawadkhaliqthat's my opinion, given we are a few weeks away07:16
fawadkhaliqand we have goverances etc still not sorted07:16
fawadkhaliqwe also have to think about packaging, testing, documentation etc07:16
reedipanil_rao: lets checkout the current code, see what is lacking from the minimum functionality, and then fix it up07:16
fawadkhaliqso lots of things to be taken care of07:16
vnyyadyamamoto: i guess we should aim for that, what do  you say07:16
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reedipfawadkhaliq: packaging via devstack is already done . Is there anything else we need to do ?07:17
anil_raoThe minimum functionality IMHO is mirroring traffic from ports beloning to one or more VMs to another VM belonging to the same tenant. The source and destination ports may not be on the same compute node.07:18
fawadkhaliqreedip: was thinking more on the lines for deb/rpm for taas, CLI etc.07:18
anil_raoWe had this working during the Vancouver TaaS demo. There are, however, some hardening aspects that need to be looked into -- failure scenarios and such.07:19
anil_raoLet me pull out the latest version and give it a good run. I'll report back with my findings...07:19
reedipfawadkhaliq: Oh ok, CLI is also up with neutronclient , for deb/rpm we can discuss later.07:19
reedipanil_rao:  do you have any feedback from the Vancouver session ? you can maybe share it with us and we can also have a look at it?07:20
anil_raoThe main feedback was how soon can this be available in an official OpenStack release. :-)07:21
reedipanil_rao : we need to work on the governance patch for that :)07:22
reedipalong with the actual code07:22
vnyyadanil_rao: i still get that feedback :)07:22
fawadkhaliqanil_rao: reedip vnyyad so the next step is that anil_rao will play with the current implementation and we revert the spec to its original state and propose the additional API changes on top that can be worked after/in parallel.?07:22
anil_raoMy main fear is that if TaaS gets more delayed, there will be alternative proposals to essentially solve the same problem and that will further complicate our chances of getting accepted.07:22
yamamotofawadkhaliq: sounds good to me07:23
reedipyamamoto: is it necessary for TaaS to be a part of the neutron stadium right now, or can we propose it later on, first focussing on its inclusion in Openstack offciially?07:23
reedipfawadkhaliq : +207:23
vnyyadfawadkhaliq: base version first, additional feature next?07:23
reedip4 minutes left....07:23
fawadkhaliqreedip: I would say we sort the governance for sure.07:23
yamamotoreedip: i guess either ways we need to wait for the staduim concept discussion07:24
vnyyadfawadkhaliq: +107:24
reedipyamamoto: okay, lets check it for another 1-2 weeks ,if it doesnt conclude, then we can proceed ourselves for governance for TaaS as a separate project . Sounds ok ?07:24
reedip#action: anil_rao to run the latest code, and get back with what features are missing and need to be added for Mitaka Release07:25
yamamotoreedip: it's ok, but i guess we'll be told to wait anyway :-)07:25
reedipokay, one minute, anything left ?07:26
reedipfire away :)07:26
fawadkhaliqreedip: I will update the spec to the original state07:26
yamamotodoes "openstack official" matter much?  we can say "this is a tap-as-a-service official release" :-)07:27
fawadkhaliqplease assign the action to me07:27
fawadkhaliqand also share the next steps07:27
anil_raoyamamoto: Either way is fine. The problem is what will an actual service provider use in their production clouds.07:27
reedip#action fawadkhaliq: revert TaaS spec to the original state.07:27
yamamotofawadkhaliq: please keep ideas and feedback in a section, rather than simply reverting.07:28
fawadkhaliqyamamoto: great idea07:28
vnyyadyamamoto: +107:28
fawadkhaliqyamamoto: will keep a section07:28
fawadkhaliqand add a follow up patch07:28
fawadkhaliqyamamoto: and i can work on that07:28
reedipyeah thats good, but time to end the meeting now :)07:28
reedipyamamoto: +107:28
reedipcatch you guys next week07:28
fawadkhaliqthanks everyone07:29
anil_raoThanks and bye...07:29
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ifat_afek_#startmeeting vitrage09:00
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ifat_afek_Hi everyone :-)09:00
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lhartalhi all :)09:01
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alexey_weylHello there :)09:01
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elisha_rHi all09:03
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ifat_afek_#topic Current status09:05
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ifat_afek_We have made great progress this week. We managed to see nagios alarms in horizon UI.09:05
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ifat_afek_lhartal and I worked on nagios synchronizer plugin and its transformer. Basic integration is working, I still need to define the nagios configuration file. I hope to update nagios blueprint today or tomorrow so you can review it, and then start the implementation09:06
ifat_afek_We updated our wiki page. It now contains several design documents, worth to have a look:09:06
ifat_afek_Who else wants to update?09:07
elisha_rWork on the Evaluator Processor is progressing nicely. The past week helped iron out alot of the issues we need to address here, such as modeling and performance.09:07
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lhartalLast week I worked on the templates validation09:08
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lhartalIt contains only syntax validation (we use the Voluptuous package)09:09
lhartalWhen template is invalid, we write it into log file and it is skipped09:09
ifat_afek_thanks lhartal and elisha_r09:09
alexey_weylI have an update as well09:10
alexey_weylI have finished to write the static physical synchronizer and transformer09:10
alexey_weylI checked it and it works09:10
alexey_weylso our progress with the synchronizers looks good :)09:11
ifat_afek_alexey_weyl: cool! so we can have switches in our topology tree?09:11
alexey_weylyes :)09:11
ifat_afek_omer_etrog_, can you update about the new alarms ui?09:11
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omer_etrog_we add new Alert screen that show all the alerts that the Vitrage aggregate09:13
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omer_etrog_we also add the Alert section in the Server screen where we already show the sunburest09:14
omer_etrog_we have good progress about the RCA model09:15
ifat_afek_omer_etrog_: both look great. are you done with these screens, or is there some work left?09:15
omer_etrog_for now I done, I will push the code today09:15
omer_etrog_later we will add the RCA09:16
ifat_afek_omer_etrog_: great, thanks09:16
ifat_afek_anything else in the ui?09:16
omer_etrog_no. we still work on the localisation09:17
ifat_afek_omer_etrog_: ok, thanks09:17
ifat_afek_who wants to update now?09:17
eyalbi have an update09:17
eyalbi added the rca and get alarms api09:17
eyalbthats it09:17
ifat_afek_eyalb: so I understand that omer_etrog_ is already using both apis?09:18
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ifat_afek_and are they finished, or is there some work left?09:18
eyalbthere might be a little bit more work09:19
ifat_afek_eyalb: documentation is important :-)09:19
ifat_afek_and we should all add tests I guess...09:19
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ifat_afek_eyalb: thanks09:19
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lhartalI have more updates09:20
lhartalwe try to understand how to work with states in Vitrage09:20
lhartalWe found out that we have 3 types of states:09:20
lhartalMonitored state – the state as we received from the synchronizer09:21
lhartalDeduced_state (vitrage state)09:21
lhartalAggregated state – combination of both monitored and deduced states09:21
lhartalAlso we need to normalize the states so Vitrage will not contain infinite list of states09:21
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lhartalHopefully, we will close the states definitions till next week, so we could start to work on it09:22
ifat_afek_lhartal: what do you mean by infinite list of states?09:22
lhartaldifferent entities have different states. for example:09:23
lhartalnova: Paused, avtive, Suspended, Soft Deleted, Deleted and more..09:23
lhartalnagios has: ok, critical, warning and unknown09:24
ifat_afek_lhartal: I see. you mean that there may be many different values for the monitored state09:24
ifat_afek_lhartal: and the reason we want to normalize it is for the ui to have a predefined list of states?09:25
lhartalfor ui and integrations09:25
ifat_afek_lhartal: I see, thanks09:25
ifat_afek_other updates from anyone?09:26
idan_hefetzi added support in the graph driver and API to get vertices using a query of their properties09:27
idan_hefetzthis is used by the UI in get alarms for example09:27
ifat_afek_idan_hefetz: you mean query a list, and not a topology tree09:27
idan_hefetzthat's right09:28
ifat_afek_idan_hefetz: thanks09:28
ifat_afek_any other updates?09:28
ifat_afek_moving on...09:29
ifat_afek_#topic Review action items09:29
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ifat_afek_we did not have any action items in the last meeting09:29
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ifat_afek_#topic Next Steps09:29
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alexey_weylWe plan to add a demo with alarms from nagios until the next meeting09:31
ifat_afek_alexey_wely: cool09:31
ifat_afek_#topic Open Discussion09:31
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ifat_afek_anyone wants to discuss anything?09:32
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ifat_afek_so I guess we are done for today09:33
ifat_afek_goodbye everybody09:34
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lhartalbye bye09:34
alexey_weylbye bye :)09:34
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sagar_nikamHi All13:02
alexpilottihey there13:03
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alexpilotti#startmeeting hyper-v13:03
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alexpilotti#topic cliff Windows bug13:04
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alexpilottiJust a quick one, there's a blocking cliff bug ATM, here's the fix:
alexpilottias a heads up, ensure you have cliff !=1.16.013:05
alexpilottihopefully this will land very soon and we'll have a 1.17.013:05
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alexpilottidims reviewed it already, so hopefully it will merge soon13:06
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alexpilottiok next13:07
alexpilotti#topic FC updates13:07
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alexpilottilpetrut found a minor bug, already fixed as WWPN/WWNNs need to be lowercase13:07
alexpilottilpetrut pateches upstream are already updated?13:07
sagar_nikampatch submitted for that fix ?13:08
lpetrutactually, that was a false alarm. one volume was not exported properly, and I thought about trying to go back to using lowercase, that worked and I wrongfully assumed that this was the issue13:08
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sagar_nikami know of these 4 patches for FC13:08
alexpilottiok, so false alarm13:08
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alexpilottisagar_nikam: yep, those are the FC patches13:09
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lpetrut@sagar: well, since the FC related patches did not get in Nova this release, hitting the FF, I'm pushing on os-brick right now, so it will be slightly different13:09
sagar_nikamos-brick patch
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sagar_nikamlpetrut: let me know the patches we need to pick to test13:10
lpetrutso, this is the nova FC related patch that we'll care about:
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lpetrutwhile I'll most probably abandon
lpetrutI'll add the unit tests to the os-brick patch, and hopefully we can get it in this week13:12
lpetrutI have some iSCSI related updates on this, but we'll talk about it when we get to that topic13:12
lpetrutplease let me know if you have any questions13:12
sagar_nikamso lpetrut: can you confirm the final set of patches we need to pick, both in nova and os-brick13:13
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alexpilottilpetrut: sagar_nikam needs to backport to liberty, so they dont have os-brick13:13
sagar_nikamalexpilotti: we will try to test with Mitaka for FC13:14
alexpilottithe nova patches should be enough as a starting point, no?13:14
lpetrutso, the way we're heading right now, you'd need this nova patch and it's dependencies:
lpetrutand the os-brick one you've mentioned earlier13:15
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lpetrutbut that also depends on some new  os-win changes13:15
sagar_nikamok fine13:15
sagar_nikamwe will pick up those patches13:15
sagar_nikamlet us know the os-win changes as well and we will pick up13:16
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alexpilottiheh, they joys of cherry-picking :-)13:16
lpetrut this one and it's dependencies13:16
sagar_nikami am done with FC, we can move to next topic, unless we have any other updates on FC13:17
lpetrutumm: question13:18
lpetrutdid you guys have issues with volumes not exported properly using 3par FC?13:18
sagar_nikamyet to test with HyperV, was your question related to when we used with libvirt ?13:19
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lpetrutyep,  when using libvirt13:19
sagar_nikami think no13:19
sagar_nikamwe have seen it working13:20
lpetrutok, I'll have to stress it a bit to make sure that attaching FC volumes is stable13:20
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lpetrutok, we can go on with the next topic I guess13:21
alexpilotti#topic RPC networking-hyperv patch13:21
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sagar_nikamalexpilotti: i have some questions on freeRDP, we can try to discuss today13:21
alexpilottisagar_nikam: sure13:21
alexpilottikvinod: claudiub had some comments on the patch13:22
kvinodyes saw that13:22
kvinodwill work on it13:22
alexpilottikvinod: those are all very small changes, do you have an ETA by any chance?13:23
alexpilottikvinod: beside the unit tests, the patch has been tested and it's all good13:23
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kvinodBy tomorrow noon, i mean after 18hrs from now13:24
alexpilottiok thanks!13:25
sagar_nikamkvinod: does that close all patches from our team ?13:25
alexpilotticlaudiub: anything to add here?13:25
sagar_nikamor anything else pending ?13:25
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alexpilottisagar_nikam: AFAIK there's nothing else13:25
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kvinodfor neutron there was only this one13:26
claudiubnop, just re-reviewed it with a fresh pair of eyes. left some comments.13:26
alexpilottiok tx13:26
kvinodthere were 4 bugs filed by Thalabathy13:27
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alexpilottikvinod: I saw them, although they seemed on quite mixed topics13:27
kvinodalexpilotti & claudiub have you seen that13:27
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kvinodok if any additional info required do let us know13:28
alexpilottiyep, so OVS stuff has to go to the OVS project, not networking-hyperv13:28
kvinodthose were related to OVS and Security group13:28
alexpilottilet me fetch the link13:28
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1543924 in networking-hyperv "[Hyperv-Ovs]:Disabling switch extensions for Openvswitch takes infinite time." [Undecided,New]13:29
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* alexpilotti asks my OVS team about the last url for OVS issue tracking13:30
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sagar_nikamgot disconnected13:31
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sagar_nikamcan we continue13:32
alexpilottihere it is13:32
alexpilottiso all OVS upstream issues have to go there13:33
alexpilottiif the issues are related to Cloudbase releases, then the place is:13:33
alexpilotti#link https://ask.cloudbase.it13:33
alexpilottiI'm updating all bugs accordingly13:34
alexpilottianything else to add?13:34
kvinodso you mean all windows ovs related bugs should go to this #link
kvinodso shall I ask thala to create ovs bug to this #link
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alexpilotticorerct, unless they are related to a Cloudbase downstream release, in which case they go to the ask site13:35
alexpilottiat a first glance, those bugs seem due to upstream stuff13:36
kvinodthis is one bug which need attention #link
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1543915 in networking-hyperv "[Ovs-Vxlan]:Tenant VMs not getting IP while security group enabled on hyperv compute." [Undecided,New]13:36
alexpilottithat's an interesting thing as they have a mix of OVS and networking-hyperv13:37
kvinodit seems SG is not working as expected with OVS13:38
alexpilottikvinod BTW conntrack implementation is under way, so SG will be entirely on OVS quite soon13:39
kvinodalexpilotti: could you please update each bug with your suggestion and observation and probable next step/action13:39
alexpilottikvinod: I'm alrady doing it13:39
kvinodany ETA13:39
alexpilottifor this one: #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543915 in networking-hyperv "[Ovs-Vxlan]:Tenant VMs not getting IP while security group enabled on hyperv compute." [Undecided,New]13:39
alexpilottiabalutoiu: can you please set up the same environment and test it?13:40
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abalutoiualexpilotti: sure13:40
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alexpilottikvinod: I notified our OVS team to look at the first bug (the hanging issue)13:42
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alexpilottiI'm not sure I get the other 2 bugs13:43
kvinodok, thanks13:43
kvinodplease post your questions on bug page on what is not clear13:44
kvinodAlso, as you said13:44
kvinoda"SG will be entirely on OVS". any idea when is this expected?13:45
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alexpilottiok, last one #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543918 in networking-hyperv "[Ovs-Vxlan]:Tenant VMs not getting IP after following the documents steps defined." [Undecided,Invalid]13:47
alexpilottiit's a request for the liberty MSI to have an option to enable security groups13:47
alexpilottikvinod: OVS 2.613:48
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alexpilottiso, all bugs are being taken care of13:48
alexpilottionly, we need to follow up on the correct tracking platform13:49
alexpilottianything else?13:49
kvinodBug : 1543918 was filed because VM's booted were not getting IP after following the steps @ #link
alexpilottikvinod: I asked the OVS team to follow up as well, I commented about where to follow up13:51
alexpilottiit's not networking-hyperv stuff13:52
kvinodalexpilotti :what is your take on this #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543920 in networking-hyperv "[Hyper Msi]:Enable security option must be introduced during msi installation." [Undecided,Invalid]13:52
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alexpilottiwe can surely add an option13:53
alexpilottito enable / disable security groups13:53
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alexpilottiok next, I think sagar_nikam had some questions on FreeRDP13:53
alexpilotti#topic open discussion13:54
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sagar_nikamwhat is the recommended way for installing FreeRDP, do we do it on all HyperV hosts or have it in a separate machine and provide that IP in nova.conf13:54
sagar_nikamof all HyperV hosts13:55
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sagar_nikamhaving FreeRDP run on one machine to serve RDP requests to lot of instances, may be 2000 instances13:55
sagar_nikamhow does FreeRDP scale ?13:55
alexpilottiin a hyper-converged scenario, we recommend to have wsgate on each node13:55
sagar_nikamcan you explain further please13:56
sagar_nikamwsgate ?13:56
alexpilottisure, in the hyper-converged scenario each node has all compute, storage and networking roles13:57
alexpilottiso it makes sense to add wsgate as well13:57
alexpilottiall nodes are basically identical, with the exception of controller nodes that might be optionally separate13:57
sagar_nikamso on all hyperv hosts, you recommend to install FreeRDP, instead of having it running on a single node ?13:58
alexpilottialternatively, the deployer might prefer to have a dedicated cluster with wsgate services13:58
alexpilottiacting for all nodes13:59
sagar_nikamFreeRDP MSI, does it install wsgate ?13:59
alexpilottitime is up, we can continue the discussion on the hyper-v channel!13:59
sagar_nikamwill join there14:00
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alexpilottiyes, wsgate is the service for FreeRDP-WebConnect14:00
alexpilottithanks guys114:00
alexpilottisee you next week!14:00
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ajohi :)14:05
ajo#startmeeting neutron_qos14:05
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ajoI was telling on the neutron channel, that I may need to cut the meeting short, because I have no backup today to pickup kids from kindergarten14:05
ajoso for just in case:14:06
ajo #addchair moshele14:06
ajo#addchair moshele14:06
ajo#addchair ihrachys_14:06
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ajoI'm following the etherpad as usual14:06
ajofor RPC callback upgrades, please review if you didn't already: #link
ajoI must update the follow up patch on this one14:07
ajoand actually finish it, but it's just finally glueing the pieces together14:07
ihrachys_it should happen real quick14:08
ajosorry to be so slow with this, we're alreay in m-314:08
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ajoso, I'm putting myself a deadline to have a perfectly working & CI valid patch for monday14:08
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ajo#action ajo finishes the RPC callback upgrades integration (next monday)14:09
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ajo#topic RBAC14:09
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ajoI don't see hdaniel here,14:09
ihrachys_I guess we wait on hdaniel to update the pathc14:09
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ajoI wanted to ask him for an update, we finally saw the neutron client patches14:10
ihrachys_also would be cool to see kevinbenton on it14:10
ajoihrachys_++ good catch about that14:10
ajoI've seen kevin in some of the patches14:10
ajoone of them, I mean14:10
ihrachys_yeah, but not the db one14:10
ihrachys_not the qos one, I mean14:10
ihrachys_some general common db mixin only14:10
njohnstonsorry I'm late14:10
ajohi njohnston , np :)14:10
ajook, I will ping hdaniel for updates14:11
ajoand I will ask him if he needs some kind of help14:11
ihrachys_right, let's help each other14:11
ajothen we need the time for that, but, let's see where's needed14:12
ajook, about Linux bridge integration14:12
ajoslaweq_work, ?14:12
ajo#topic LinuxBridge integration14:12
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ihrachys_slaweq_work: still seeing gate failures?14:12
slaweq_workajo: I'm still fighting with fullstack tests14:12
slaweq_workihrachys_: yes14:12
slaweq_workyesterday I fixed issue with L2pop14:12
* ihrachys_ saw some discussions around it yesterday, hoped it's fixed now :(14:12
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ajoyikes ':/14:12
slaweq_workbut main issue is now that on jenkins all 3 linuxbridge connectivity tests are failing14:13
slaweq_workand in logs I can see that there is problem with connection to rabbitmq14:13
ajoslaweq_work, : but related to your patch, or in general?14:13
ihrachys_slaweq_work: any ideas how to move forward with jenkins-only failures?14:13
slaweq_workI have no idea how to debug it14:13
slaweq_workand what is wrong there14:13
slaweq_workon my dev host all 3 tests are passing14:13
slaweq_workand connection to rabbitmq is fine14:14
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ajoI would say, if we cannot get help for fullstack, may be we shall skip that, and do manual tests for now, then keep working on the fullstack test14:14
ajoit's not the first time things have been tested manually,14:14
slaweq_workI also have to check some functional tests which are failin and it is because of my changes in net_helpers.py14:14
ihrachys_ajo: yes, we'll consider reverting the order.14:14
ajoas long as we end up having a fullstack test14:14
ajoto avoid regressions14:15
slaweq_workmaybe You know someone who I could ask about help in debuggin tests on jenkins14:15
ajojschwarz is our expert about fullstack, but not sure how available he is this month14:15
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slaweq_workI suspect that it can be problem with iptables for example14:15
slaweq_workajo: ok, I will try to catch him on irc14:16
ihrachys_slaweq_work: in theory, infra should have a way to leave a failing node for debug, but it would require some talks around it14:16
ajoand, may be amuller, but he was travelling ,14:16
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ajoihrachys_, : yeah, I've been looking forward to see something like that14:16
ihrachys_slaweq_work: in gate, you can check iptables rules in worlddump files14:16
ajolike marking a run to stay up and attached to a floating IP for X minutes14:16
slaweq_workok, I will look for iptables config there14:17
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ihrachys_I think that's the rules we have in gate14:17
slaweq_workok, thx14:17
slaweq_workso I think that it can be reason of problem14:18
slaweq_workbut is it possible to rules "in flight" in tests?14:18
ihrachys_you mean change?14:18
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ajoIsn't that stored in the debug logs ?14:18
slaweq_workyes, add some rules to allow connections to rabbit14:18
ihrachys_not for global rules I think.14:18
ihrachys_ajo: the problem may be with global iptables not managed by neutron14:19
ajook, global rules14:19
slaweq_workihrachys_: exactly14:19
ihrachys_ok let's spin on the idea14:19
ihrachys_ajo: next topic?14:19
ajo#topic DSCP14:20
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slaweq_workok, I will catch You if I will have other questions14:20
ajovhoward, njohnston  ? :)14:20
ajothanks slaweq_work++14:20
ihrachys_ajo: do you actively review the DSCP patch?14:20
ajoihrachys_, not lately, I must jump again into it14:21
njohnstonI think the DSCP patch itself is looking pretty good, but I know ihrachys_ was voicing some concern that the l2-agent-extensions-api prerequisite wouldn't be ready before M14:21
ajoI did a review of the agent API, and I was starting another one14:21
ihrachys_njohnston: we will get the piece in M, I am on reviewing this part right now.14:21
njohnstonihrachys_: Excellent, that removes perhaps my biggest anxiety.14:21
ajodo you mean,14:21
njohnstondavidsha: You have anything to add?14:21
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ajowe aim to merge a minimalistic API for now,14:22
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ihrachys_there are some concerns around testing and versioned objects, but nothing critical. davidsha does good job.14:22
ajoand then a real first version for M?14:22
ihrachys_ajo: no. the minimal API is the M deliverable.14:22
davidshaNo I think it's been covered, I'm just keeping dscp up to date with l214:22
ihrachys_nothing beyond that actively planned right now14:22
davidshaThanks :)14:22
ajosorry, I was mixing14:22
ajoI mean M for the minimal API14:23
ajoand then N for a more broad API14:23
njohnstonYou can see we have a gaggle of accompanying patches listed in the commit message for all of which are dependent on it so the docs and client etc. can all merge as soon as the main feature merges.14:23
ihrachys_ajo: in theory, yes. we'll see whether we have resources in N.14:24
* njohnston would like to pitch in to that in N14:24
ajoihrachys_, ack14:24
ajoI think it's a good initiative to keep making the agents extensible14:24
ajoit will make many other related projects much cleaner integrated to the L2 agents14:25
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ajo#topic Open discussion14:25
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ajois there any high prio bug or thing that needs discussion ?14:26
* ajo looks a the list of bugs14:26
ihrachys_I will only note that client freeze is approaching, we need to get client pieces in asap, and that means dscp and rbac14:26
ajoihrachys_, Client freeze happens earlier than server?14:26
ihrachys_yes, one week I think14:26
ihrachys_as per amotoki14:26
njohnstonThe DSCP client change shouldn't merge before the server change, though, right?14:27
ajowas that always this way?14:27
ihrachys_njohnston: right14:27
ajoI guess we could ask for an exception in that case14:27
ihrachys_ajo: no idea, maybe new approach14:27
ihrachys_ajo: yes, exceptions are always there. but better not.14:27
ajojust make sure the client side is ready , I will work on reviewing all the QoS things more proactively, too many distractions lately from the good stuff14:28
ajoIt puzzles me a bit, since the workflow is the other way around server then client, ... why freezing client, then server ? :?14:28
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njohnstonihrachys_: Do you think you can lift your -2 from
ihrachys_ajo: to stabilize for release14:29
ihrachys_ajo: the client is not just for neutron, it's also used by other projects14:29
ihrachys_njohnston: done14:29
njohnstonihrachys_: Thanks!14:29
ihrachys_davidsha: I just posted comments for l2 agent extensions patch, please have a look.14:29
ihrachys_ajo: I guess we could close the meeting and do some reviews/coding :)14:30
ajonext week there's no official meeting14:30
ajobut given the incoming deadlines, if people wants to do it, and we have a free meeting room14:30
ajoI'm all for it14:30
ajoa short one is enough14:30
davidshaihrachys_: I'll start on them now.14:31
ajolet's discuss that along the way, so... #endmeeting14:31
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njohnstonThanks everybody.14:31
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ajoThanks a lot everybody for the hard work14:31
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 10 15:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'monasca'15:00
tgraichenno video today? :)15:00
rhochmuthno video today15:00
rhochmuthwell, no one has post'd any agenda items/topics15:01
rhochmuthseeing as we had a mid-cycle last week that is understandable15:01
rhochmuthi do have a few topics to cover15:01
rhochmuthhopefully i remember them all15:01
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rhochmuthbklei: we had to back out some code you checked in back in October15:02
rhochmuthdid you see that?15:02
bkleihmm, i missed that -- which code?15:03
rhochmuthRevert "Avoid multiple inner joins if dimensions specified"15:03
bkleiyou saw problems with that?15:03
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rhochmuthThere were some bugs with pagination and specifying limits15:03
rhochmuthwe had some bugs and traced it to that commit15:04
rhochmuthwe didn't understand how to resolve either15:04
rhochmuthso, reverted it15:04
bkleihmm, that's a bummer, that change made a significant perf improvement, would like more info on the bugs, i can take a look and fix15:04
rhochmuthIf you have ryan bradt's email you can get more details15:05
rhochmuthunless he is lurking15:05
bkleiok, will follow up with him15:05
rhochmuthi don't see him around yet15:05
rhochmuthok, my next topic is we would like to extend some of the filters that are allowed15:05
rhochmuthbasically when filtering on alarms or alarm definitions we would like to specifiy a '|' operator15:06
rhochmuthon the alarm state and severity15:06
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rhochmuththis would allow you to get all the alarms in the ALARM|UNDETERMINED state15:07
rhochmuthor with a severity of "LOW | MEDIUM"15:07
rhochmuthit is a small change and it should work15:07
bkleiso this is a filter applied when doing a GET?15:07
rhochmuthGET alarms15:08
bkleiahh, sounds like a good change15:08
rhochmuthGET alarm-definitions15:08
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rhochmuthrbrandt has added a number of filters and order_by parameters recently15:09
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rhochmuthmost are still in reveiw waiting to get merged15:09
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rhochmuthso this is the last one that we know about15:09
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rhochmuthother than the possiblity of adding a dimensions resource that we talked about15:09
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witekcould you please add someone from FJ as reviewer for all ORM related stuff15:10
rhochmuththe main reason is to allow user-interfaces, like Horizon, to be able to filter and paginate through list of alarms and definitions without client side processing15:10
rhochmuthwitek: are you referring to michal's review15:10
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witekno, extensions for filtering15:11
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rhochmuthyes, this will add some new parameters to the repositories interfaces15:11
rhochmuthso fj needs to be looking at this15:12
rhochmuthit looks like there will be some merge conflicts as a result too15:12
rhochmuththat will need to be rebased15:12
rhochmuthwhat fun15:12
rhochmuthso, i'm guessing that folks are ok with that change, but the reveiw will be up soon so folks can take a look and comment on it15:13
rhochmuthso, another topic is tornado in the log api15:13
rhochmuthi saw the response to my analysis yesterday15:14
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rhochmuthi'll dive into my code further15:14
rhochmuthit could be that i've got a problem15:14
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witekok, thanks for info15:15
rhochmuthThis is the review i was referring too,
rhochmuthOK, next topic is the ORM work15:17
rhochmuthi had some comments15:17
rhochmuthi was wondering if we should explore moving to the sqlalchemy implementation15:17
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rhochmuthhere is the review,
witekquite a few comments, i'm not up-to-date, must admit15:18
rhochmuthso, i just wanted to discuss the possiblity of moving to the sqlalchemy implementation in the Python API15:19
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rhochmuthi haven't socialized that idea internally, but i will discuss sometime today or tomorrow what the implications/thoughts are15:20
witeksure, for us it would be great15:20
rhochmuthok, i thought so15:21
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rhochmuthso, that was all that i had15:22
witekcould you approve the blueprint, please?
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rhochmuthok, i've approved15:23
rhochmuthit seems like this won't make it into the mitaka release cycle15:24
rhochmuthI did want to mention that voting is up for OpenStack15:25
bkleiyeah -- like 9 talks that mention monasca!15:26
rhochmuthHere is the search form15:26
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rhochmuththat is a good number15:26
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rhochmuthincluding a couple for some folks that I didn't know were working in this area15:27
rhochmuthso, please take a look at all the submissions15:27
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rhochmuthFabiog has got the python-monascaclient going in the global requirements again at15:28
rhochmuthit looks like everything is green, except for a non-voting gate15:28
rhochmuthhopefully this gets through this time15:29
rhochmuthAlso, my changes in governance look like they are progressing at,
rhochmuthso, any other topics, status updates, questions, ...15:31
rhochmuthhi pradipm15:31
pradipmif there is no topic, may I allowed to ask 2/3 questions?15:31
rhochmuthsure go ahead15:31
rbakI do have a grafana update also, if anyone is interested15:32
pradipmI am not able to list alarm-defn from cli15:32
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rhochmuthok, that should work15:32
pradipmgetting service-unavailable15:32
rhochmuthwhat environment are you using15:32
rhochmuthdevstack, monasca-vagrant, ...15:33
pradipmhowever notification-list, alarm-defn creation etc. is working15:33
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rhochmuthwell, that doesn't make sense15:33
rhochmuthit is possible there is a bug15:33
rhochmuthi don't have an env up right now15:34
pradipmis there a way I can paste the cli output here?15:34
rhochmuthsure, paste it15:34
rhochmuthalso, as we are getting off topic15:34
pradipmstack@ubuntu:~/devstack$ monasca --os-username admin --os-password secretadmin --os-project-name admin alarm-definition-list15:34
pradipmERROR (exc:65) exception: {15:34
pradipm    "title": "Service unavailable",15:34
pradipm    "description": ""15:34
pradipmHTTPException code=500 message={15:34
pradipm    "title": "Service unavailable",15:34
pradipm    "description": ""15:34
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rhochmuthmaybe just contact me in IRC directly or in the openstack-monasca room after the meeting15:34
pradipmsure. thanks a ton.15:35
pradipmanother question  - may I ask pls?15:35
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pradipmis it possible to launch Graphanna from Horizon plugin of Monasca?15:35
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pradipmI can see the monitoring tab .. view all info15:35
rhochmuththere is a button in the upper left and grafana can be launched from that15:36
pradipmbut when graffana is launched .. seeing an error : Request Method:         GET                       Request URL:
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rhochmuthso, let's take that off-line too15:36
pradipmI am in horizon plugin as per :
bkleioh -- we hit that, ping me pradipm15:37
bkleibasically need an apache alias15:37
pradipmlast question. extremely sorry for so much asks.15:37
rhochmuthohh, i'm not sure the horizon plugin is integrated in the devstack environment15:37
pradipmsure bklei.15:37
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pradipmIf I run monasca in scale-out mode ... what all components/services are shared?15:38
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rhochmuthwhat do you mean by shared?15:38
jobrs@rbak: highly interested :-)15:38
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pradipmI mean, say the influxDB is common for all the deployment15:38
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rhochmuthzookeeper, kafka, influxdb, storm and mysql are all shared15:39
rhochmuthand clustered too15:39
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pradipmOk. thanks a lot for all the answers.15:40
rhochmuthok, see you over in #openstack-monasca15:40
rhochmuthrbak: update on grafana?15:40
pradipmSure, thanks rhochmuth.15:40
rbakSo the patches are ready and pull requests are up.15:41
rhochmuthas in completely done15:41
rhochmuthany feedback on your pull requests?15:41
rbakThe monasca datasource is not going to get merged.15:41
rbakThey're moving away from that model15:41
rbakEven the plugins repo will be deprecated15:41
rhochmuthso, there is grafana-uplugins,15:42
rbakgrafana-plugins is going to be deprecated15:42
rhochmuththat is where the datasource is located15:42
rhochmuthso, will you just have your own repo15:42
rhochmuthand what about the Keystone integration?15:42
tgraichenbut we can provide it as third party plugin like i think itwill be the case for any new one - right?15:42
rbakCorrect. Plugins will maintained outside grafana, and they're creating a new website to make finding plugins easier.15:43
rhochmuthso, do you want to create a monasca-grafana repo in the openstack organization15:43
rbakI'm also told that plugins will be more stable in the future because of this and not require constant updates.15:43
rbakrhochmuth: That would probably be a good thing at some point15:44
rhochmuthyeah, i think so15:44
rbakThe keystone auth is trickier.15:44
rbakThe link to the PR is here: The monasca datasource is not going to15:44
rbakSorry, here:
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rbakBut there is some resistance to merging a "non standard auth system"15:45
rhochmuthi see15:45
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rbakI've been asked to look into the auth proxy grafana already provides, and I've agreed, but I know it won't work as is and I'm fairly sure it would require huge changes to make it work with the keystone auth15:46
rhochmuthwell, sounds like he is open to it15:46
rbakSure, I think it just needs some support15:46
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rhochmuthwell, i think it is up to everyone here15:47
rhochmuthcan we vote for pull requests15:47
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rbakI'm not sure15:47
rbakIt may just need comments15:47
rhochmuthalso, i thought you said this would be applicable to Ceilometer too15:47
rbakIt will be15:47
rbakIt could be used by any openstack service15:48
rhochmuthi'll contact ceilometer as well15:48
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rhochmuthnot sure how there existing plugin does auth15:49
rhochmuthdo you know15:49
rbakThey have two options currently15:49
rbakOne is putting in a token15:49
rbakLike we had before15:49
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rbakThe other is to put a username and password in the datasource and use that to get tokens.15:49
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rhochmuthso, i guess you'll update torkel at some point15:51
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rhochmuthin the mean time i think we should leave comments asking for the merge15:51
rbakSounds good15:51
rhochmuthi'll leave some comments later today15:51
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rhochmuthhe specifically mentions +1 votes15:52
rbakLooking at other pull requests, it looks like people vote in the comments.15:53
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rhochmuththanks rbak15:54
rhochmuthso, we are getting to the end15:54
rhochmuthany other topics?15:54
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rhochmuthgoing once15:55
rhochmuthok, thanks everyone15:56
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rhochmuthsee you next week or in irc15:56
witekthank you Roland!15:56
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rhochmuth#endmeeting monasca15:56
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tgraichenbye, thanks15:57
pradipmbye, thanks.15:58
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SridarKHi All18:30
sc68calyup here18:30
sc68cal#startmeeting networking_fwaas18:31
xgermanguess time to meet18:31
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sc68calso I'm still stuck in MTU hell and live upgrade hell18:32
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sc68caland yeah my fwaas stuff has languished as a result18:32
xgermaninternal stuff + LBaaS is eating me alive18:32
sc68calso, sorry :(18:32
xgermansame here, I am embarrased18:32
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xgermansc68cal can you fix the build problems for db models? Jenkins hates it18:33
SridarKno worries i think this is the reality - as we all have to juggle multiple roles18:33
mickeysI have not done any better. Planning to kick off renewed FWaaS effort later this afternoon, and will spend some time on the weekend18:33
sc68calxgerman: i'd have to go look and see. It's that bad.18:33
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SridarKxgerman: i am testing some stuff around plugin - db integration - i can take a look18:33
SridarKso sc68cal can wrap up things on the mtu18:34
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xgermanyeah, I am glad we keep a low profile in Austin18:35
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SridarKxgerman: Aish: i am trying hard to get a handle on the db - plugin integration so i can come to a point where the plugin gets to the rpc18:36
SridarKwill ping u guys then to see how we can integrate to the next mile18:36
xgermansounds good18:36
SridarKhopefully by Fri18:36
xgermanwith some luck we can make some progress on the versioned objects18:37
SridarKxgerman: yes18:37
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xgermanso we need to square the tempest tests18:38
xgermanthere a re a couple of reviews which need love18:38
SridarKxgerman: yes agreed - i am making a note to get on this today18:39
SridarKthx for the links18:39
sc68calI just bumped a couple with +a18:39
xgermanthanks, I already +2’d them so if any other core...18:39
xgermanawesome sc68cal!18:39
madhu_aksetting up devstack and should be able to test and comment EOD18:39
sc68cal273006 and 273406 I +A18:40
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SridarKsc68cal: if u get busy i can look at the others18:40
sc68calworks for me18:40
SridarKmadhu_ak: for which one ?18:41
madhu_akfor the aboe tempest tests reviews18:41
SridarKok great18:41
madhu_akany idea which timezone, yamamoto is in18:43
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SridarKmadhu_ak: are u in the US west coast ?18:44
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madhu_akyep SridarK18:44
SridarKok great thx18:44
SridarKOn other things - i have sent a reminder to bhararth from brocade on the observer hierarchy - he has done some work - but waiting to hear on timelines18:46
xgermanok, sounds good18:47
sc68calcan we get him to just post his work on gerrit18:47
SridarKsc68cal: yes i have asked for that18:47
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sc68calI mean it's OK if it's not complete or doesn't work right.18:48
sc68calI mean come on look at my stuff for fwaas v2.18:48
SridarKsc68cal: totally agree18:48
xgermanyeah, there is a WIP flag18:48
SridarKyes exactly18:48
jwarendtDitto on the CLI - [WIP]18:48
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SridarKAny other things to discuss ?18:52
xgermanone more thing: stadium keeps evolving18:52
xgermanbut not worth discussing here18:52
SridarKok but good to keep an eye on18:53
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xgermanotherwise I think we are good18:53
SridarKI am hoping by next week we will have more progress18:55
SridarKif nothing else, maybe we can wrap and get some time back ?18:57
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sc68calsounds good to me18:57
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sc68caltill next week everyone, good luck with all the distractions18:58
sc68calthen we can get back to the actual work - fwaas!18:58
xgermanthat would be nice :-)18:58
sc68calthe important work, that is18:58
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SridarKthanks all18:58
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david-lyle#startmeeting Horizon20:00
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david-lyleFor common items today. Just the impending M-3 milestone on March 320:03
david-lyleWant to check the status on a couple of items20:03
david-lylewhere are we at on django 1.9 support?20:03
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robcresswellAnother minor patch here:
robcresswellStill ticking along. Last couple errors are giving me a headache.20:04
robcresswellIf anyone wants to chip in, there's about 9 errors left when you run tox -e py27dj1920:04
david-lylethis is an item that should be resolved soon, or we won't get a d-o-a release or a requirements bump20:05
robcresswellGotcha. I'll make it no.1 on my list.20:05
david-lylerobcresswell: I think it's just the most time sensitive and missing django 1.9 in the release would be not great20:06
robcresswellYep, makes sense.20:06
david-lylelet's not be not great :)20:06
robcresswellhaha, soaring optimism there :p20:06
david-lyleaim high, I always say20:07
tsufievrobcresswell, feel free to ping me for reviews on that bp20:07
david-lyleok. looking at
david-lylethe plugin doc first pass landed20:08
david-lyleso we're doing better on docs20:08
david-lyleseem like a couple more could land20:08
david-lyleAngular Content?20:09
matt-borlandImages Panel has 4 patches left20:09
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matt-borland1 is looking to merge today20:09
david-lylethat sounds promising20:09
TravTmatt-borland: just finished running through the multiple actions patch20:09
matt-borlandLaunch instance has 3 patches I know of20:09
TravTabout to push review20:09
matt-borlandthanks TravT20:09
TravTit is working nicely20:09
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r1chardj0n3sSwift UI is progressing :/ I really hope to un-WIP the last patch today20:10
david-lyleok, so we have progress20:10
matt-borlandrobcresswell, I do want to know about Add Network subflow for Launch Instance20:10
robcresswellStill waiting on those APIs to merge20:10
hurgleburglerDynamic Themes is ready for eyes too20:10
robcresswellThey were approved yday, but failed jenkins 2/3 times now20:10
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david-lylehurgleburgler: hold up, top down20:11
* ducttape_ simma down now hurgleburgler20:11
betherlyhurgleburgler: ill do some reviewing of those patches tomorrow20:11
robcresswellmatt-borland: This is the patch in question
robcresswellStill in gate :)20:11
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matt-borlandrobcresswell, did you want me to take the reins or are you doing more work on that patch?20:12
robcresswellI've got work based off the extensions API20:12
robcresswellBut if I push that in the morning you're welcome ot take over now.20:12
robcresswellThen I can finish off 1.920:12
matt-borlandI can do that.  I'll follow up offline.20:12
robcresswellCool thanks20:12
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david-lyleok, angular is moving20:13
david-lyledependencies are stuck beyond the few that were manually updated20:13
david-lylethat seems like a problem that will carry over again20:14
david-lyleperformance items will also carry over, but that seems like it will be a top issue every release20:15
mrungewe didn't had to talk about performance in the past20:15
tsufievosprofiler integration into Horizon is WIP20:15
david-lylemrunge: not sure that's true20:15
tsufievI´m going to show how it works at midcycle20:15
david-lyleperformance has always been a concern20:15
tsufiev(since it requires an elaborately setup devstack)20:16
david-lylebut the cause may have changed20:16
tsufievat least until all necessary osprofiler patches are merged into other OS projects20:16
david-lyleTesting/integration testing items will be ongoing20:18
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david-lyleanything other than dynamic theming that I'm missing?20:19
hurgleburglerWe have checkboxes, selects and radios in flight20:19
david-lyletheme the things20:19
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david-lyleand a domain token support patch in flight too20:20
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tqtranopsies... sorry im late20:20
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betherlyhurgleburgler: what happened with the icon things? did you get round to that and need reviews or is it still a to do?20:20
david-lyleand those are the items tqtran will have to finish by this afternoon20:20
robcresswellthanks tqtran!20:21
hurgleburglerbetherly its still a todo, one i'm gonna address soon20:21
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betherlyhurgleburgler: so sorry i still hadnt got round to it. i will catch up with you more on it tomororw20:22
david-lyleseems a reasonable number of those priorities will land20:23
hurgleburglerno worries betherly20:23
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david-lylefound it20:24
david-lyleI'm closing registration in 2 days for this.20:24
david-lyleAll that really means, is I won't have internet access and guest credentials ready for you if you crash that party20:25
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* david-lyle is not entirely sure how long that process is20:25
r1chardj0n3shopefully not longer than 2 weeks :-)20:25
TravTprobably depends on the bribe20:26
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david-lyleas a reminder there is a topic list
robcresswellMore like an end-of-cycle20:26
david-lylebut I fully expect a large portion to be reviewing/updating patches and working small groups20:26
robcresswell+1, definitely looking forward to some rapid patch iteration20:27
robcresswellPass tqtran my nitpicks in person this time :)20:27
r1chardj0n3sI'm looking forward to having my own personal hurgleburgler on hand to fix all my css20:27
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david-lylethat's all I had for general items20:28
david-lylethere is one items on today's agenda20:28
hurgleburglerI'm going to charge for lines of code20:28
hurgleburglerI like trippels and quads20:28
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david-lyle#topic Graph looks smaller after bootstrap change, should we revert to the original size?20:29
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1537909 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Graph looks smaller after boostrap refactor" [Undecided,New]20:29
hurgleburglerIts smaller because it fits inside of a multiple of 12 rows20:29
tsufievhurgleburgler, I think they mean quota charts ^^20:29
r1chardj0n3sgraph == the pie charts?20:29
r1chardj0n3sI see no reason to make those bigger...20:30
david-lyleyes charts20:30
hurgleburglerthey change size based on the responsive size of your page too20:30
hurgleburglerwhich size where they complaining about?20:30
betherlyis that section also responsive?20:30
betherlysurely it would also depend on size of device they are using it on20:30
hurgleburglerthe large screen size puts 6 on each row, I believe20:31
hurgleburglerwe have a page with 720:31
hurgleburglerI can play around with that again though, if people don't like the smaller ones20:31
betherlyhmm that would make sense with that layout but with the complaint is it worth considering doubling to 3 on each row on large screen>20:31
betherlyor 4 which would make dividing down easier20:32
hurgleburglerthe thing is … it pushes all the content down20:32
hurgleburglerthen, you just have a huge page of little pie charts20:32
betherlytrue that20:32
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betherlyscrollable view?20:32
david-lylesince the charts are fairly devoid of information, I'm not sure increasing the size is overly useful20:32
r1chardj0n3sagreed ^^20:32
david-lylethe launch instance case might be different20:33
doug-fishI don't mind the small pie charts.  +120:33
david-lyleI'd have to double check those20:33
betherlycool im obvs happy if everyone else is. just thinking of solutions :)20:33
hurgleburglerThe overview page needs a facelift in general though :)20:33
david-lyleone of these days, one of these days20:33
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david-lyleI think the concern may have been the size change was unintentional20:34
david-lylebut I'm guessing20:34
hurgleburglerIt was intentional, but only to make it responsive20:34
hurgleburglerif you try it on the 'material' theme, the graphs are bigger20:35
pietAre we talking about the Overview panel?  ;^)20:35
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david-lyleif only we had dynamic theming20:35
robcresswellthat patch is wizardry20:35
doug-fishpiet: only a little - but I have to say I'm not a fan either. Do you have input?20:36
robcresswellI need a fresh brain for it.20:36
tsufievrobcresswell, just too advanced technology :)20:36
matt-borlandrobcresswell, you came to the wrong place20:36
david-lyle#topic Open Discussion20:36
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pietdoug-fish We're going through a series of interviews and there are some things worth discussing20:37
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hurgleburglerA simple refresh making use of bootstrap panels would be pretty easy20:37
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r1chardj0n3sre the midcycle - it turns out a bunch of us will be arriving in Portland on Monday afternoon. If you are then let's get together in downtown for dinner before heading over to Hillsboro.20:38
doug-fishpiet: I've had multiple customers confused by putting the real time "now" charts in combination with historic, report info on the same page.20:38
david-lyledoug-fish: to our benefit we don't have any historical data, so the chance of confusion is low :)20:38
doug-fishnova usage based stuff20:39
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robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: I'm there about 7pm on the Monday20:39
doug-fishthat's what I'm calling historic20:39
robcresswellflights from London are seriously crappy too :/20:39
david-lyleoh that should probably go too20:39
r1chardj0n3sI don't know Portland at all, but it's been suggested to me to head down there from my flight which arrives around midday20:39
pietdoug-fish I think we may need to rethink how the Overview panel should be leveraged by users20:40
TravTr1chardj0n3s: sounds good to me.20:40
r1chardj0n3ssuggestions for where I should go are welcome :-)20:40
hurgleburglerI'll be there20:40
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david-lylemany brew pubs, and good restaurants in downtown portland20:40
doug-fishpiet: david-lyle yeah, I'd love to see the overview cleaned up to remove that kind of mixed info20:40
betherlyrobcresswell: i heard there may be direct flights to the states from london and bristol soon20:40
david-lyledoug-fish: I'd like to see it report some real info20:40
matt-borlandI get the impression that many places replace (as default)/modify the overview quite a bit20:41
doug-fishgot it.20:41
hurgleburglerOH!  I had a question about our use of STATIC_URL20:41
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hurgleburglerI was wondering if there was a reason we used {{ STATIC_URL }} everywhere instead of the static templatetag that django suggests20:42
david-lylehurgleburgler: figured out we don't read django docs and haven't for a long time20:42
tsufievI thought there was some serious reason20:42
robcresswellYeah, doing 1.9 has made me realise how much people read the django docs :p20:42
matt-borlandhurgleburgler, can it be made to account for WEBROOT?20:43
ducttape_the overview panel is slow, and the data is has is marginally useful imo20:43
david-lyleapparently since 1.5 the templatetag has been suggested20:43
hurgleburglerIt uses static_url20:43
hurgleburglerand static_url takes webroot into account20:43
pietDid we come to an agreement that the Overview should include "useful" information?20:43
david-lyleducttape_: ++20:43
robcresswellWell the cached loader was like... 1.4? 1.2? some time ago.20:43
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hurgleburglerthey suggest templatetag because, if you have to host from places like AWS, then you can customize it a bit more20:43
doug-fishI'd like to think every page should have "useful" information.20:43
betherlydoug-fish: +120:43
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david-lylewhat kind of crazy project does a major release every 6 months, it's impossible to keep up20:44
TravTuseful is in the eye of the beholder20:44
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robcresswellI'm not sure that's how it goes...20:44
betherlyTravT: very true - hard to get everything useful to everyone when working with a community this large20:45
david-lyledoug-fish: don't get crazy20:45
david-lyle70% boilerplate20:45
david-lyle30% info20:45
david-lyleof which 15% is useful20:45
david-lylethat's in the charter20:45
doug-fishI've had a well received overview type page in a previous cloud project I worked on that introduced the broad pieces that were managed and where to get started with them in the UI20:45
doug-fishIt's useful for new people20:45
TravTyeah, user preference based widgets would be better... but i think we've said that before.20:45
doug-fishand fast for those who are experienced.20:46
robcresswelltutorial type thing?20:46
doug-fishrobcresswell: tutorial would be an overstatement20:46
doug-fishmaybe two sentences and a link for images, instances, networks20:46
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doug-fishand a cool picture20:47
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robcresswellLike a quick actions setup?20:47
doug-fishkind of20:47
TravThow about a section where you could just do contextual search across your cloud?20:47
doug-fishI think I can see where you are going with this TravT20:47
pietThere is also the question around how ofter users actually log into Horizon.  I would be a bit hesitant to use it as a dashboard if users simply log into Horizon to complete some kind of action and then log out.20:48
doug-fishTravT: that's not a bad option20:48
david-lyleand in the case Searchlight isn't configured?20:48
TravTtoo bad for you20:49
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david-lylea Searchlight ad?20:49
r1chardj0n3shas Searchlight nailed the permissions issue yet?20:49
TravTwe've gotten a lot further with it20:49
robcresswellHmm. Could we not have both doug and travs solutions on one screen? a blank search bar with a prompt, and a few links to most used actions... I'm assuming things like new instances20:49
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tyr_if the overview page isn't useful...I think that is a failing of the framework to make it easy for installations to customize. So the question is what can horizon provide to enable installations to build the view they want?20:50
TravTi've been working on the searchlight panel, but been thinking i could turn it into a directive20:50
matt-borlandrobcresswell, way ahead of you! :)20:50
TravTso it could be used anywhere.20:50
robcresswellmatt-borland: I know there are actions for operating on the searchlight results planned20:50
TravTand the directive will use our other nifty directive that checks with a service is available20:50
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doug-fishmatt-borland: you have this implemented already?20:50
robcresswellBut I meant generic things like creating a new instance. You could likely catch 3/4 of the users on the initial panel, and then anything more involved would just use the regular side nav.20:51
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matt-borlanddoug-fish, just working on a related item today.20:51
matt-borlandbasically, ability to package/manage and use actions in a variety of ways (not hard-coded like now). More to come :)20:52
tyr_That is a great segue robcresswell, if actions related to given resource type are isolated into injectable units...then things like TravT's search panel...or a custom overview page can make them available20:52
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robcresswellThats the idea behind searchlights end-goal isnt it? find anything, and return contextual actions for it.20:53
matt-borlandexactly tyr_20:53
robcresswellWe're still a little way off it though.20:53
matt-borland"it depends!"20:53
robcresswellBtw, last summit we discussed removing the admin overview page20:54
robcresswellDo we still want to go ahead with that?20:54
mrungeoh, and what about removing resource usage panel20:55
mrungethat was requested by ceilo folks20:56
david-lylemrunge: I have no issue with that, I can put up a patch after this20:56
robcresswell2 more cycles and we'll just ship a login page20:56
doug-fishAre we thinking of removing = keeping the code but making the panels disabled?20:56
matt-borlandretinal scan20:56
david-lylejust want to get a +1 from the ceilo team20:56
mrungedavid-lyle, feel free to re-use, scrap20:57
ducttape_admin overview is more worser than the project overview page, +1 to removing it20:57
david-lylemrunge: didn't know you had one20:57
robcresswelldoug-fish: I was just thinking of removing tbh. Admin is supposed to be a nightmare, so it may be better to just default to proj overview.20:57
ducttape_also, on most admin pages I think we talked about displaying nothing, then requiring a search query to show any data20:57
mrungedavid-lyle, re ceilo, suggestion is to use gnocchi, it's a complete re-implementation then20:57
david-lyleI think removing the content is fine and having a gnocchi plugin makes more sense20:58
david-lyleducttape_, yes we did, yes we did20:58
mrungeI was a bit scared of any user we might have for that panel20:58
doug-fishI don't know of any specific users of those panels ... I just have a vague concern about how to handle any surprises ...20:59
doug-fishif the panels exist but are disabled, I can tell them how to enable20:59
betherlybefore the end of the meeting i just wanted to add a massive thank you sooo much to everyone in channel who helped me get the ironic plugin set up. robcresswell in particular - youve been a total legend - thank youuu!!!20:59
mrungeexactly doug-fish20:59
david-lylealright disable this release and remove next?20:59
mrunge+1 david-lyle20:59
matt-borlandsounds good20:59
TravTdoug-fish: david-lyle: that makes sense20:59
robcresswellha, you're welcome :)21:00
david-lyleand landing page for admin users if we disable admin overview is?21:00
ducttape_instances, with nothing in it21:00
david-lyletime's up21:00
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david-lyleTravT: they get that anyway21:00
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ducttape_alt would be hypervisors page21:00
david-lyleThanks everyone.21:00
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alaskibauzas: ping21:01
alaski#startmeeting nova_cells21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells'21:01
* bauzas waves to alaski21:01
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bauzasand... \o (because I'm a gentleman)21:02
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alaskigreat, let's get going21:02
alaski#topic Cells testing/bugs21:02
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ccarmackI updated to change server_basic_ops to test ssh21:02
ccarmackI could use some reviews on it21:02
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ccarmackOne thing I need to do is change project-config to set run_validation = true for cells21:03
ccarmackbut I already have a 3 dependency patch  …so would like to change project-config after this is approved21:04
alaskisounds reasonable21:04
alaskithere was a tempest test added recently which failed the cells job21:05
alaskiso it was added to the exclusion list in
mriedemalaski: that test broke all shared storage jobs too21:05
mriedemso it was reverted21:05
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alaskiwhen/if it's added back it would be good to have the security group addition behind a flag21:06
alaskibut otherwise I'm not aware of any cells failures21:06
alaski#topic Open reviews21:07
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alaskias always, just calling out
alaskiI have some reviews to add there, but there's a lot of stuff up now21:07
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alaskiplease take a look21:07
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alaski#topic Open Discussion21:07
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doffmI created a script to look at possible foreign key issues when doing the database split.21:08
doffmI also proposed a doc change to add all missing databases to the split info.21:08
doffmIf people could review that to discuss any database split issues i'd be grateful.21:09
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alaskiyeah, really nice21:09
bauzasthat said, I just wonder how we could draw the line in the sand21:10
alaskido we want to discuss the big one now, aggregates?21:10
doffmWe could. I don't have any really good ideas though.21:10
bauzasthe 'how' being: how can we be sure that the boundaries are good ?21:10
alaskibauzas: we may need to draw a temporary line that we know we might revise later21:10
doffmWe wont know for sure until we try. So make a plan for the best split we can.21:11
bauzasalaski: yeah, I just think that migrating a table to the API DB can be okay, reverting it to the cell DB could be difficult21:11
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bauzasso, I would be a bit conservative first21:11
bauzasand just make sure we migrate the tables we really need to call21:12
alaskithat's fair21:12
alaskithe list of api tables is really just a list of tables we want to look at migrating21:12
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bauzasthen cool :)21:12
alaskiin the process we may find that something shouldn't actually be moved21:13
alaskibut it's good to have the list of things to look at21:13
bauzasyeah for sure21:13
alaskigetting back to aggregates, I started wondering if we actually do want them to span cells21:13
bauzasI think yeah21:14
alaskiI think so too, but why?21:14
bauzasI was seeing the aggregates differently from cells21:14
bauzasorthogonally even21:14
doffmI always presumed that we did. Some things might be rack / cell specific. Others global.21:14
bauzasso, aggregates are there for 2 reasons, right?21:15
bauzas# for a placement decision21:15
bauzas#2 for a global item21:15
bauzas#1 and/or #221:15
alaskiwhat do you mean by a global item?21:15
bauzaslike a ratio21:15
bauzasI mean a metadata var for all the computes in there21:16
doffmuses_ssh has_gpu. funky_network_gear. slow_disks.21:16
bauzasso, that's why I see cells being different21:16
alaskiI agree with all of that, but will also point out that at rackspace those tags applied at the cell level21:17
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bauzasso, MHO is that cells are failure domains21:17
alaskiI'm also just playing devils advocate here21:17
bauzaswhile aggregates are the above21:17
bauzasan aggregate (and an AZ) are not a failure domain21:18
alaskiif a cell is a failure domain should there be resources that span it21:18
bauzasI can give an example21:18
alaskibecause you're not isolated against failure like that21:18
doffmSure we could add aggregates to each cell. funky_network_gear_1, funky_network_gear_2. Thats what people do in cellsv1 right?21:18
doffmAdds a load on the operator though.21:18
doffmIf there are globalish concepts that span cells.21:19
bauzasyeah, you could want to place like this21:19
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bauzas(cell_A OR cell_B) AND not cellC21:19
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doffmcell affinity.21:19
bauzasaggregates could be one way21:20
alaskidoffm: aggregates weren't used, but yes that's essentially what happened in v121:20
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alaskidoffm: it was basically cells 3,4,5 can handle flavors a,b and cells 6,7 take flavors c,d21:20
bauzasconsider for example that you have 2 cells sharing each 2 types of hardware21:21
bauzaswhat if as a user I care about a specific type of hardware but I don't care about where it will be placed21:21
alaskilet me ask something real quick, but I want to be clear21:22
alaskidoes it matter that an aggregate spans cells, or that two cells each have an aggregate with the same properties?21:23
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alaskifor affinity it does seem to matter21:23
doffmYes, if we are using aggregates for affinity. Also for operator load. (Having to create in N cells).21:24
doffmAlso possibly for performance in a global scheduler. (Multiple db look ups for aggregates?)21:24
alaskibut since it's really the scheduler that cares about aggregates, and it will have a global view, I wonder if the aggregates could be merged by it instead of having them global in nova21:24
bauzaswell, I just don't want to lock up a specific implementation detail that could lead to a huge design difference :)21:24
bauzasthe thing is, you can create as many aggregates per host as you wish21:25
alaskihere's my struggle21:25
alaskiI think Jays work depends on aggregates being in a cell21:26
bauzasso, I know that lots of operators have dedicated aggregates, each per use they want21:26
alaskibut I agree that they should be global21:26
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doffmalaski: We could think of other ways around aggregates in regards to the resource pools framework.21:26
alaskiand long term I think we want to move a lot of this into a unified scheduler and not store it in nova dbs21:26
doffmWe will have to have a mapping between resource pools and cells anyway.21:27
alaskidoffm: yeah, might be the way we end up needing to go21:27
doffmSo we will have a table with resource pools ids in them.21:27
doffmWe could move the resource-pool <-> aggregate mapping to the api db.21:27
doffmAnd link it to the resource pool cell-id mapping instead of directly to the resource pool table.21:27
bauzasthat could work21:28
bauzasjust another level of indirection21:28
alaskiI think I need to draw this all out at some point21:29
alaskibut that does seem to work21:29
doffmI could write something up for us all to discuss.21:29
alaskithat would be great21:30
mriedemdon't draw it out in ascii art21:30
doffmI actually was going to.21:30
mriedemdoffm: that ML thread was before you were working on openstack...21:30
mriedembut i digress21:30
alaskioh man, not this discussion21:31
alaskiit was my ascii art that spawned that discussion21:31
alaskidoffm: ascii art is wonderful21:31
alaskilascii art, even better21:31
doffmmriedem: Will inform me of what i'm supposed to do offline. :)21:31
mriedemwhatever jogo used for the arch diagram in the nova devref21:32
mriedemuse that21:32
mriedemmtreinish: will tell you to use, oh what's it called again21:32
alaskiheh, latex :)21:32
doffmThere are two other forign key issues I found. Fixed-ips -> instance ids. SecurityGroups -> instance ids. I guess we can discuss those down the line.21:32
doffmI only had a chance to look at security groups a little bit.21:33
alaskifor those I was thinking we could change the foreign key to be to the instance_mapping21:33
doffmMakes sense.21:33
alaskithere could still be some gotchas in there, but it's something to try21:34
doffmAlthough the security-group <-> instance mapping is many-to-many. Its most often used in the cells for accessing security groups I think.21:34
doffmSo there is some argument for keeping it in the cell db.21:35
alaskithe only other thing on the agenda is a reminder about summit proposals and newton specs, we may want to start an etherpad to track those21:35
alaskidoffm: ahh, okay21:35
alaskialthough I think security_groups should really be in the api db21:36
doffmalaski: For sure, the mapping could stay though.21:36
alaskiahh, I see21:36
doffmFor newton specs... I guess we should start writing some. Should we table a discussion of what we want to get in for newton and go from there?21:37
alaskiyep, that's a good plan21:38
ccarmackalaski: are you still looking for volunteers?21:38
ccarmackanything I can work on?21:38
ccarmackI saw something about grenade updates21:38
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alaskithat's one thing21:39
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alaskisome slightly more invasive testing to check things that functional tests may not catch21:39
alaskiif that's possible21:39
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doffmalaski: When would you like to have the newton plans discussion, next weeks meeting? Hangouts?21:39
doffmalaski: ccarmack: Will we want to do a multi-cell grenade eventually? I mean adding a new cell and checking everything works.21:40
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doffmAs well as a multi-cell test in general. :/21:40
alaskidoffm: lets start with doing it in the meetings, and maybe have a hangout after FF when we see what progress was made in M21:40
ccarmackmaybe I should write a grenade spec21:41
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alaskiyes, multi-cell testing will be necessary21:41
alaskiI'm trying to find some code that has no testing that should21:42
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bauzasso, newton high-level objective would be to allow a 2nd cell ? :)21:42
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alaskithis nova-manage command is untested
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alaskia great grenade test would be to boot some instances and then run that command after the upgrade21:43
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alaskiand ensure the migration succeeded21:43
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alaskiit's going to depend on as well21:43
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alaskibauzas: heh21:44
doffmDid anyone put in summit proposals?21:44
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alaskiI proposed one talk on cellsv221:45
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alaskidoffm: I'm not sure if you're familiar with the format, but there will be proposals for the design summit much closer to the event21:45
alaskithose will be the technical discussions that are more helpful21:46
doffmI'm not familiar at all. Thats good to know.21:46
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alaskithe proposals that just happened are basically presentation format, the design summit is much like the midcycle21:47
alaskiexcept with many more people21:47
mriedemand time boxed21:47
bauzasalaski: I guess you're planning the cellsv2 talk for giving an high-level view ?21:47
mriedemit's basically worse in every way :)21:47
bauzasto ops21:47
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alaskimriedem: +121:47
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alaskibauzas: high level view, and progress report21:48
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alaskianything else for today?21:48
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alaskithat was a good discussion, and I look forward to your writeup doffm21:49
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alaskiccarmack: if any other cells work comes up this cycle I'll ping you, but next cycle should be chock full of it21:50
alaskithanks all!21:50
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