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| jklare | #startmeeting | 16:10 |
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| openstack | jklare: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:10 |
| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:10 |
| j^2 | Hi! | 16:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 16:10:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:10 |
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| sc` | ohai! | 16:10 |
| jklare | sry for being late, was in another meeting | 16:10 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:11 |
| jklare | sooooo hows it going? | 16:11 |
| jklare | any topics for today? | 16:11 |
| sc` | our change backlog is growing :) | 16:11 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:11 |
| jklare | we need more reviews on that | 16:11 |
| sc` | my changes should be pretty straightforward | 16:11 |
| jklare | i can start reviewing the patches of calbers, but since he sits right besides me, that would not be good practice | 16:12 |
| sc` | since i know where puppet hides their repos, it'll make it easier for us to both use the same package sets | 16:12 |
| jklare | sounds good | 16:12 |
| sc` | i can lend some eyes to calbers' patches | 16:12 |
| calbers | :) | 16:13 |
| jklare | i think calbers has prepared some guide on which patches should get in in what order | 16:13 |
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| jklare | ? | 16:13 |
| calbers | so i think we should merge first all the "invert the order of endpoint and bind_servie attributes" patches | 16:14 |
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| sc` | all the ones passing the gates should be ready for workflow | 16:15 |
| j^2 | Sounds good | 16:15 |
| sc` | the change against image didn't pass the gates, though | 16:15 |
| calbers | there is a small problem on image, we have to split this patch, cause there is the new logic of an following patch from common which uses the "new bind_address" method | 16:16 |
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| sc` | cool | 16:17 |
| sc` | i'd also like to get these in this week some time so folks can poke at centos: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:centos72 | 16:19 |
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| sc` | they're all needed | 16:19 |
| markvan | 0/ | 16:19 |
| calbers | i guess the easiest way will be to merge all the common patches, so there wont be the need for the split | 16:19 |
| calbers | especially cause it got no direct dependencies on the other cookbooks | 16:20 |
| sc` | yeah. makes sense to merge common first, then the rest | 16:22 |
| jklare | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cookbook-openstack-common+status:open | 16:22 |
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| jklare | so as soon as we merged these, we should be able to merge all the invert ones | 16:23 |
| jklare | and the gates should work again | 16:23 |
| sc` | i was thinking of updating that centos patch to be closer to master like puppet does right now | 16:23 |
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| sc` | right now it works, but might be good to keep similar cadence with upstreams | 16:24 |
| jklare | +1 | 16:24 |
| jklare | i will try to go for lbaas and fwaas this week and push up the needed patches to make them work | 16:25 |
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| jklare | okey, anything else? | 16:37 |
| sc` | not from me | 16:37 |
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| j^2 | nope | 16:43 |
| jklare | cool | 16:44 |
| jklare | see you around in the channel | 16:44 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 16:44:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-22-16.10.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-22-16.10.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-22-16.10.log.html | 16:44 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 17:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
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| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hello everyone | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| mkovacik | o/ | 17:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:00 |
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| lucasagomes | hi there | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | Hi all | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, agenda: | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | looks halfway full today | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | we had our midcycle last week, it went very well. thank you to all who participated! | 17:02 |
| jroll | etherpad from the midcycle is here: | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Thank you for organizing it :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | I also sent a summary email of each block, and will be writing a larger summary later | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | was great to *hear all who where there | 17:02 |
| jroll | other than that... dtantsur can you cover gate announcements? | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | I also thought it went well. | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | jroll, sure | 17:03 |
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| jroll | thanks | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | as agreed there we did a couple of changes to our gate: | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | 1. postgres job is no longer voting, we maintain it as much as we can (unless someone appears who's really interested in it) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | 2. a separate iPXE job was merged into a regular pxe_ipa job, meaning agent_ssh covers PXE, pxe_ipa covers iPXE | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | 3. most of ironic jobs (except for inspector) are moved to iPXE | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | 4. I've fixed stable/liberty today that got broken by tempest-lib transition :) | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | I think that's it | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: thank you for that :) | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | (34) | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | (#4) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | now, I would really love to rename our jobs, so that their names actually make sense | 17:05 |
| sambetts | 5. ram and vm count have been made configurable per job, and the tinyipa job is passing with 512mb of memory | 17:05 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: thanks! that's all merged I assume? | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yep | 17:05 |
| jroll | awesome | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | except for renames: anyone is free to do that | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | personally I feel like we have less transient failure now | 17:06 |
| jroll | yeah, it seems so | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I also have a topic to discuss, it's on agenda, so we'll probably get to it | 17:06 |
| jroll | cool | 17:07 |
| jroll | any other announcements? | 17:07 |
| * jlvillal would like names that make sense :) | 17:07 | |
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| jroll | alright, moving on | 17:08 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:08 |
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| jroll | as always, these are on the whiteboard: | 17:08 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
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| jroll | line 187 | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | jroll and others: can we move the last gate issues from the main etherpad to the gate-problems-tracking one? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | so that it doesn't grow indefinitely | 17:09 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yes please :) | 17:10 |
| * dtantsur is doing | 17:10 | |
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| devananda | dtantsur: +1 | 17:11 |
| devananda | jroll: did we reach a conclusion re: no-db api work last week? | 17:12 |
| devananda | I feel like we left that open and needed to dig in further | 17:12 |
| jroll | devananda: we agreed not to separate api and db until/unless we decided it was necessary | 17:13 |
| jroll | we really can't find out without grenade and grenade-partial | 17:13 |
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| devananda | jroll: ah, that's the piece I forgot (dep on grenade). thanks | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | Did something happen? | 17:17 |
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| sambetts | jlvillal: much typing on the etherpad | 17:17 |
| jroll | we're all looking at the etherpad | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | boom!! <-- now something happened | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Ah :) | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | By about five minutes | 17:18 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, oh noes, I need caffeine | 17:19 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | heheee | 17:19 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, seems like it is time to move on | 17:19 |
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| NobodyCam | ,, | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:19 |
| jroll | TheJulia: I'm curious about the bifrost thing | 17:19 |
| jroll | shouldn't ironic pick up the old config okay? | 17:20 |
| jroll | oh bottom of file | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | jroll: the ansible module for doing the config injection was placing it at the bottom of the file in a different config section | 17:20 |
| jroll | :x | 17:20 |
| * jroll +A | 17:20 | |
| TheJulia | yeah | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | yeah :( | 17:20 |
| jroll | alright, is approved | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | Thank you! | 17:20 |
| jroll | alright, shall we move on? | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:21 |
| devananda | +1 | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:21 |
| jroll | skipping the first topic as we got to it at the midcycle | 17:22 |
| jroll | #topic How to deprecate the old ramdisk and its gates | 17:22 |
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| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086738.html | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah | 17:22 |
| jroll | dtantsur: such fun! | 17:22 |
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| dtantsur | please read the link, it's not a long read, but a bit too much to tl;dr | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | imho, seems like dib should have some level of stable branches for people who need to use point in time references | 17:23 |
| jroll | well, dib does have releases | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | tripleo stable branches, yeah................. | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | but, sadly, that doesn't seem like a easy thing to be able to go back and make happen :( | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | Well, I don't see it as a tripleo tool, I see it as a generally useful tool | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | right. we have what we have, and all options are pretty bad | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | yeah | 17:24 |
| jroll | as someone that doesn't do distros, really | 17:24 |
| jroll | does e.g. RDO kilo ship with a specific ramdisk? | 17:24 |
| jroll | or would users/support be able to convert an install over to IPA? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | jroll, RDO kilo does not ship IPA at all | 17:25 |
| jroll | dtantsur: but could it? | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, Kilo depends on the bash ramdisk | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | it's not entirely impossible, although it's a big effort | 17:25 |
| jroll | sorry, I should say liberty | 17:25 |
| devananda | does DIB want to remove the old element? | 17:25 |
| jroll | since liberty supports IPA + iscsi | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | jroll, RDO liberty has IPA | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, liberty would be possible to use IPA yes | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | and TripleO liberty defaults to it nowadays | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we want to remove the support for the old ramdisk | 17:26 |
| * NobodyCam votes #2 | 17:26 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes: we == tripleo / rdo ? | 17:26 |
| jroll | devananda: we == ironic | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we Ironic | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | we == ironic :) | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | neither of the other parties does not care enough | 17:26 |
| mgould | sanity check: is there no way of running different gate jobs on different branches? | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, otherwise we have to keep supporting more than 1 ramdisk (bug fixes, features and so on) | 17:27 |
| devananda | mgould: DIB does'nt have branches | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | actually I had fun time convincing people to switch to IPA for liberty in tripleo.... | 17:27 |
| devananda | lucasagomes, dtantsur: does DIB want to remove this element from their tree? | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | I think #2 is also the right thing to do. #4 should be the fallback, and possibly the right thing to do, even though it would force stable branches for dib down the road | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, I think they don't care. | 17:27 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: if they do not want to remove the element, how will that project continue to test it if we do not support it? | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I believe they may keep it for a while (it's already marked as deprecated) | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, they can use DIB to generate an IPA ramdisk | 17:28 |
| sambetts | this was my suggestion -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086742.html | 17:28 |
| jroll | I believe I agree with TheJulia, I'd support #2 | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, so the idea is to change the bash ramdisk with an IPA (also built with DIB) | 17:28 |
| jroll | with a big fat warning for mitaka+ | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, we can create an option to explicitly enable support for the old ramdisk, and switch it off for, say, Newton (but still use it in our gate) | 17:29 |
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| jroll | I don't love the idea of #4, just because we can't bugfix DIB for those branches | 17:29 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: yeah, that isn't a bad idea, --no-srsly-i-like-old-software | 17:29 |
| jroll | I'd add it default false in mitaka though | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | hehe, that remind me of "tripleo --thrash-my-machine" or something like that | 17:30 |
| jroll | as we said we'd remove bash ramdisk support in mitaka | 17:30 |
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| devananda | yea, I dont think #4 is viable because we are supporting the bash ramdisk in Liberty -- and that would preclude bug fixes | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | do we need a format vote? | 17:31 |
| devananda | I do not understand why #2 says "will be supported in mitaka and newton" | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | devananda, de facto it will be there, so potentially people may slack on upgrading | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | it = code | 17:31 |
| JayF | two cycles for deprecation, right? | 17:31 |
| devananda | JayF: right | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | JayF: cycle + 3 months I thoguht, so effectively 2 | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: yep | 17:31 |
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| jroll | no | 17:31 |
| devananda | JayF: the calculation is actually more complex than that now | 17:32 |
| jroll | max(cycle boundary, 3 months) is the rule | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | I think we're switching topics. I thought we're in agreement that Mitaka is an official EOL for the bash ramdisk, no? | 17:32 |
| jroll | or rather, it must be across a cycle boundary, and at least 3 months | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | and now we only figure out how to remove it without breaking innocent kittens | 17:32 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yes, I agree that we had agreed on that | 17:32 |
| jroll | yep | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: ++ | 17:33 |
| devananda | dtantsur, jroll: I agree with that statement | 17:33 |
| devananda | I believe the discussion is how we carry that out | 17:33 |
| jroll | yes | 17:33 |
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| devananda | it sounds like we could drop it from ironic/master as soon as newton opens | 17:33 |
| devananda | as long as we can keep it on stable branches | 17:33 |
| jroll | so I agree #2 is the right thing to do, with either a large warning or a config flag | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | option #2 is the safest, we just have to be REALLY good at convincing people to switch to IPA NOW | 17:34 |
| devananda | which would mean moving DIB's testing of that ramdisk to ironic/stable/liberty -- or dropping the test from DIB whn Newton opens | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | Large warning and config flag | 17:34 |
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| devananda | jroll: is there currently a warning logged when using the bash ramdisk? | 17:34 |
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| jroll | I'm unsure | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | I think so | 17:34 |
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| lucasagomes | I think the endpoints that the bash ramdisk uses may log something | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | pass_deploy_info etc | 17:35 |
| jroll | yeah that sounds right | 17:35 |
| sambetts | L902 ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py | 17:35 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I do not see the need for a CONF option here | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it does | 17:35 |
| devananda | great | 17:35 |
| jroll | so I like the idea of making DIB gate on stable/liberty for the bash ramdisk | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | I wonder if infra would hate us for trying that... | 17:36 |
| jroll | (assuming that is reasonably possible) | 17:36 |
| jroll | heh, yeah. | 17:36 |
| jroll | but if we can do that, then we can remove the support for it now, right? | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | I was thinking it would / could help with stable testing in the gate! | 17:37 |
| sambetts | jroll: that was my suggestion | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | it would | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, modulo figuring out situation with requirements in this gate | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | cause DIB will be pulling in mitaka reqs, while we'll be pulling in liberty reqs | 17:38 |
| jroll | dtantsur: requirements? | 17:38 |
| jroll | ooo | 17:38 |
| jroll | so yeah, maybe an action item to investigate that and re-evaluate after? | 17:38 |
| devananda | this sentence from #2 still doesn't make sense to me: "This means that the old ramdisk will essentially be supported in Mitaka and Newton" | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | devananda, it means: if will work with these version of ironic | 17:38 |
| jroll | devananda: if we cannot use liberty ironic with master DIB in the gate, we'll need old ramdisk support in ironic master | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | cause we won't be removing code actually | 17:39 |
| devananda | the deprecation warning was introduced in 8f62743c on 2015-08-04 | 17:39 |
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| devananda | jroll: even though we are well past the required deprecation window already | 17:40 |
| jroll | devananda: currently DIB+ironic gate uses ironic master, meaning we would need to keep old ramdisk support to keep that gate working | 17:40 |
| jroll | and as DIB does not have stable branches, we need to keep that gate working on master DIB | 17:40 |
| devananda | jroll: right. but why do we need to keep that gate working, if DIB and TripleO do not use that ramdisk any longer? | 17:40 |
| jroll | there be dragons with master DIB + liberty ironic gate, it may be possible but it is unclear at this time | 17:40 |
| jroll | devananda: because it's supported in kilo and liberty? | 17:41 |
| jroll | and DIB/tripleo are presumably not the only users of the ramdisk | 17:41 |
| devananda | if that project wants to drop support for the bash ramdisk, they should remove the element from dib/msater | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | devananda, our kilo and liberty gate also use DIB master (well, at some point of time, but they don't have stable branches..) | 17:41 |
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| TheJulia | seems like that is the root of the problem.... and honestly a stable branch could be created.. technically speaking | 17:42 |
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| jroll | right, we can't drop the element from dib/master without pinning DIB in ironic stable jobs, meaning bug fixes can't land on DIB for stable branches of ironic | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | tbh I have no clues why DIB has no stable branches.. I guess because stable branches for tripleo is a relatively new idea | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | (and officially it's still part of tripleo iirc) | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah, options #4 and #5 | 17:43 |
| jroll | right, which I think is bad | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | could we pin the stable/liberty branch on a specific version of DIB ? (e.g 1.10.0 idk) | 17:43 |
| jroll | I think #2 is the right thing to do, even if it's annoying for us | 17:43 |
| devananda | got it. so we end up carrying deprecated code for 3 cycles instead of 1 | 17:44 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yes, but then we can't fix it if stable/liberty breaks due to a dib bug | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, that's options #4 and #5. but it will prevent us from getting any bug fixes from them | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, right | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | that might be an unlikely event, that we get broken by that | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | but if we do, we're stuck again | 17:44 |
| jroll | yep | 17:45 |
| devananda | pinning DIB on our stable branch would impact more than just the gate job using the bash ramdisk -- it would affect all our jobs | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | all jobs, not only our | 17:45 |
| devananda | dtantsur: right | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | unless we bypass g-r | 17:45 |
| devananda | so I don't think that's viable | 17:45 |
| jroll | right, so yet again I propose we don't do that | 17:45 |
| devananda | jroll: agreed | 17:45 |
| jroll | so I think #2 is the right thing to do | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | ok so let's just do #2 even tho it may take more time | 17:46 |
| jroll | if we can gate master DIB against liberty ironic, we could remove the ironic support in mitaka | 17:46 |
| sambetts | can't we remove the deprecated code in Ironic in mitaka without deleting the DIB element? | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | it's slow, but less risky | 17:46 |
| jroll | if not, we need to wait longer | 17:46 |
| devananda | sambetts: not without a stable/liberty branch of DIB | 17:46 |
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| jroll | but I do propose adding --i-am-a-dummy config that folks must set to use it, as it is unsupported | 17:46 |
| devananda | which, tbh, is what I think should happen | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | jroll: ++ | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: +++++ | 17:46 |
| devananda | though I don't recall any longer why DIB doesn' thave stable branches | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | devananda, you can try talking to dprince then | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | no idea either | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sounds reasonable | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | so we've converged to 2 options: option #2 and a new option to make DIB create a stable/liberty branch, right? | 17:47 |
| jroll | the bad thing about a config like that is we can only check it at runtime, and that's a bad time to explode a build :/ | 17:47 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yep | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | we can try the latter, and fall back to the former if it does not work | 17:48 |
| jroll | I'm good with that | 17:48 |
| jroll | maybe a stable/mitaka branch if they object to stable/liberty on the grounds that it was months ago | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | jroll: it can still be done from a tag in that period of time... | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | or a commit id | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, yes, but I'm not convinced we won't get broken after that :) | 17:49 |
| jroll | TheJulia: right, just throwing it out there that stable/mitaka is better than no stable at all | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | nobody remembers if that particular commit worked for us.. | 17:49 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: :\ Maybe it is worth just taking the hit of breaking and then fixing.. | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | totally possible | 17:50 |
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| jlvillal | 10 minutes remaining | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | jroll: totally agree with that :) | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | especially since we can start with making DIB gate non-voting first | 17:50 |
| jroll | okay, so who's going to talk with dprince? | 17:50 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, okay, okay, I will :) | 17:51 |
| jroll | awesome, thank you | 17:51 |
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| NobodyCam | your awesome dtantsur Thank you :) | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: thank you | 17:51 |
| jroll | #action dtantsur to chat with dprince about a stable branch, proceed with #2 regardless of the outcome, but stable branch will help move faster | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:52 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | actually looks like devananda has started while we're chatting here | 17:52 |
| jroll | #topic Suggestion to remove stable branches from IPA | 17:52 |
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| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086981.html | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | I think this is a bad idea | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | Given our previous discussion... I'm not sure it is a good idea. | 17:53 |
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| jroll | tl;dr should we continue to have stable branches for IPA, and should we remove the existing stable/liberty | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | removing existing is probably not something we should ever do.. | 17:53 |
| jroll | I'm actually okay with the former, not okay with the latter | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | but what about creating new ones? | 17:53 |
| davidlenwell | ++ | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, removing the existing seems quite strange | 17:53 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, I think it's easy to say no to that, but it was asked int he email so I put it here | 17:53 |
| devananda | ++ to having stable branches of IPA | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | for all the reasons we just talked about | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, gotcha | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | devananda, you mean, continue creating them (mitaka, etc)? | 17:54 |
| jroll | so, we've never actually tested stable/liberty IPA | 17:54 |
| devananda | it's a python service, effectively. it exposes a REST API. it has a contract with the ironic 'agent' drivers of a particular release. | 17:54 |
| devananda | dtantsur: yes | 17:54 |
| jroll | and never needed the stable branch | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | regarding to the email, I think we should backport LIO support for stable/liberty that will allow RDO to move on | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | devananda, just a reminder: ironic stable gates use the latest IPA from master | 17:54 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: well, no, backporting features isn't okay | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | it's not that we could not fix it.. | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:55 |
| devananda | if we wanted to introduce a significant change in the agent's API, right now, it would be challenging, because of ^^ | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | lucasagomes: I think they might need to do that in a downstream branch | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, yeah that could be the case too | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: i don't see it a feature | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, downstream we've switched to IPA 1.1 already. but RDO is not exactly the same thing | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, RDO is really just about packaging.. it can't backport features | 17:55 |
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| TheJulia | dtantsur: is it just pulling strait from master in cases? | 17:55 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: it's near the line but I think I disagree | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, from master or from the stable branch | 17:56 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia, there may be patches, but only for critical issues or for packaging purposes | 17:56 |
| * TheJulia hopes any regulated environments are aware of the master branch use | 17:56 | |
| dtantsur | regulated environments should not use RDO master really :) | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah we can argue on both sides... casue tgtd is not supported on some distros | 17:57 |
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| lucasagomes | so it may fit in as a bug | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: just another argument to always keep stable branches for IPA as well :) | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | if we say we support those distros (centros 7 rhel 7) | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | but it's another discussion... | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | I agree it is close to the line, but I with some support for ipxe / uefi in some driver I see it as bug fixes for the over all feature | 17:58 |
| jroll | so I don't think we'll reach a consensus before the end of the meeting, but I'd like to say "why not stable branches?" and also "let's please test liberty with liberty IPA" | 17:59 |
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| jroll | we can take it to the list from there | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good | 17:59 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:59 |
| jroll | alright, thanks all for joining today | 17:59 |
| jroll | we're out of time | 18:00 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 18:00:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-02-22-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-02-22-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| ryansb | hey, zaqarfolks | 21:02 |
| * ryansb has meeting with self | 21:06 | |
| ryansb | so, status report, Zaqar? | 21:06 |
| ryansb | The state of the cloud messaging is strong. | 21:07 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: I'm here, I think it would be nice to wait for flwang | 21:07 |
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| ryansb | k | 21:07 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: ping | 21:08 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: ping | 21:08 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: yes, hello | 21:08 |
| flwang1 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 21:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 21:08:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:08 |
| flwang1 | sorry for the late | 21:08 |
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| flwang1 | was in a meeting | 21:08 |
| flwang1 | #topic roll call | 21:08 |
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| flwang1 | o/ | 21:08 |
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| Eva-i | o/ | 21:08 |
| ryansb | o/ | 21:09 |
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| Eva-i | flwang1: so, let's move on | 21:10 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: cool | 21:10 |
| flwang1 | #topic code review | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:11 | |
| flwang1 | i think we did a great job given our team size | 21:11 |
| Eva-i | Please review my websocket binary patch =) | 21:11 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: haha | 21:11 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: yep, that's the one on my list, I just need a test to give it a +2 | 21:11 |
| flwang1 | what in my mind currently is : | 21:12 |
| flwang1 | 1. binary websocket | 21:12 |
| flwang1 | 2. more reserved attributes of queue | 21:12 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: thank you, ask me if you need some help with testing | 21:12 |
| flwang1 | 3. TTL subscriptions | 21:12 |
| flwang1 | 4. metadata update | 21:12 |
| Eva-i | ok | 21:13 |
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| flwang1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/265723 | 21:13 |
| flwang1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/270464 | 21:14 |
| flwang1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/280941 | 21:14 |
| flwang1 | https://review.openstack.org/256978 | 21:14 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: i know you have reviewed most of the patches, but it would be nice if you can revisit the binary websocket one https://review.openstack.org/256978 thanks | 21:14 |
| ryansb | Yeah, sure thing | 21:15 |
| ryansb | wasn't sure if that was ready for another round | 21:15 |
| flwang1 | i see | 21:16 |
| * ryansb promises to write more zaqar patches and not just review things | 21:16 | |
| flwang1 | m-3 is coming, we need to make sure those above patches can be merged | 21:16 |
| ryansb | yup | 21:16 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: ack :) | 21:16 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: but you're very effective at reviewing things =) | 21:17 |
| Eva-i | so it's okay | 21:17 |
| flwang1 | anything else for code review? | 21:18 |
| flwang1 | or anything patch we need to discuss? | 21:18 |
| Eva-i | not from me | 21:19 |
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| ryansb | nope - I got a dev env setup for the ansible-zaqar stuff though | 21:19 |
| flwang1 | #topic zaqar UI | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqar UI (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:19 | |
| flwang1 | ryansb: awesome | 21:19 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: it's fine, it's 5 am of China | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | ah | 21:20 |
| flwang1 | so most of the guys are in sleep i think | 21:20 |
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| ryansb | yeah, I'd only expect them to be at the other meeting | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | oki | 21:21 |
| flwang1 | for zaqar UI, we have made some progress | 21:21 |
| ryansb | \o/ | 21:21 |
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| flwang1 | queue list, queue crate and queue update and delete are coming | 21:21 |
| flwang1 | horizon guys are working on that | 21:21 |
| Eva-i | I tried zaqar-ui and noticed few bugs | 21:21 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: cool, i'm thinking if we should create a launchpad for zaqar-ui | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | is it okay that we don't have a place for reporing zaqar-ui bugs? | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: I think it would be nice | 21:22 |
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| flwang1 | #action flwang will create a zaqar ui lauchpad place :) | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | I'm pretty sure this place will be occupied by me | 21:23 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: awesome :) | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: good job on working on zaqar-ui | 21:25 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: not me, thank for horizon guys | 21:26 |
| flwang1 | #topic puppet/ansible | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet/ansible (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:26 | |
| Eva-i | flwang1: they too | 21:26 |
| ryansb | k, so ansible update is "wow OSAD is even slower than devstack" | 21:27 |
| flwang1 | thanks for the help from tripleo team, our puppet zaqar work almost done | 21:27 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: haha | 21:27 |
| ryansb | nice | 21:27 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: based on current status, how long do you think we will take to get a workable ansible? | 21:28 |
| ryansb | at least a couple weeks | 21:28 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: do you think a newbie can help to speed it up? like me? | 21:29 |
| flwang1 | we(catalyst it operation guys) are keen to use ansible(yep, not puppet) to deploy zaqar | 21:29 |
| ryansb | right now I'm just working on getting what's there working so I can document | 21:30 |
| ryansb | after it's documented, maybe | 21:30 |
| ryansb | but right now I think anyone new would just be baffled | 21:30 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: hah, ok, just like me know if you need any help | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: and don't forget, we can get support from ansible team | 21:31 |
| ryansb | will do :) | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | that's a nice team | 21:31 |
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| flwang1 | like horizon team | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | i would say that again, horizon team is best team in openstack community except zaqar team :D | 21:32 |
| Eva-i | =) | 21:33 |
| flwang1 | #topic open discussion | 21:34 |
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| flwang1 | anything we need to discuss today? | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | maybe expiration of things in redis | 21:35 |
| ryansb | I don't have anything | 21:35 |
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| Eva-i | but maybe it's hard to discuss in real time | 21:35 |
| Eva-i | ok, I don't have anything | 21:36 |
| ryansb | what did you want to ask? | 21:37 |
| ryansb | I'd like to at least start to ponder it | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: some resources in our redis storage driver do not expire | 21:37 |
| ryansb | hrm, not so good, since redis needs everything to be in memory | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: let me share a link to a patch with our discussion | 21:37 |
| ryansb | sure, that'd be awesome | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276548/ | 21:38 |
| ryansb | thanks | 21:38 |
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| ryansb | I'll check it out | 21:38 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: thank you too | 21:38 |
| Eva-i | so we need to find some solution | 21:39 |
| Eva-i | that's all I wanted to say | 21:40 |
| ryansb | k, I don't have anything else | 21:40 |
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| flwang1 | yep, that one is hard | 21:42 |
| flwang1 | i mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276548/ | 21:42 |
| flwang1 | but we need to fix it in Mitaka | 21:43 |
| flwang1 | that's on my list, but anybody is welcome to submit a patchset | 21:43 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: oh, maybe we can discuss if we should have a default TTL for subscription | 21:43 |
| ryansb | ah, sure | 21:43 |
| ryansb | I think a default of an hour would be reasonable | 21:44 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: TBH, i'm not really sure if we should have a default TTL | 21:44 |
| ryansb | so you'd rather have TTL be a required field? | 21:44 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: i don't have any preference for the value | 21:44 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: i'm not sure too | 21:44 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: when i designed it, i think subscription is a different resource than message | 21:45 |
| flwang1 | just like why i really like a permanent subscription | 21:46 |
| flwang1 | so it's designed as required field | 21:46 |
| ryansb | Hm, that way users have to explicitly say "permanent" | 21:46 |
| ryansb | I see | 21:46 |
| flwang1 | but now, i'm not sure if i was correct | 21:46 |
| flwang1 | and we don't have user feedback | 21:47 |
| flwang1 | so i would prefer to keep it simple | 21:47 |
| flwang1 | more flexibility | 21:47 |
| ryansb | I see | 21:47 |
| flwang1 | user can set or not | 21:47 |
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| Eva-i | I think I found what can possibly go wrong with permanent subscriptions | 21:48 |
| flwang1 | but the bad thing is, user may miss it and still expect to be notified after subscription expired | 21:48 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: queue delete? | 21:49 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: no, I'll try to explain use case | 21:49 |
| Eva-i | *explain case | 21:49 |
| flwang1 | we may need a check for queue delete to check if there is any subscription on that queue | 21:50 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: sorry, I still haven't wrote blueprtint for queue lazyness with subscriptions. If queues will be lazy, there will be no problem with deleted subscriptions. | 21:50 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: that's right | 21:52 |
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| Eva-i | the case: cloud admin has Zaqar and there are users which cloud admin can't control. The users have created many permanent subscriptions. One day there became so many subscriptions, so it loads server with Zaqar much. The cloud admin suspects some permanent subscriptions are unused. How cloud admin can delete unused subscriptions? Can he figure out which ones are still being used? | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | can this case be real? | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | maybe I just don't understand something | 21:55 |
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| Eva-i | okay, time is up, we can think about it later | 21:59 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: let's discuss it offline | 21:59 |
| flwang1 | thank you guys | 21:59 |
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| Eva-i | thanks | 21:59 |
| flwang1 | let's back to zaqar channel | 22:00 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 22:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-22-21.08.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-22-21.08.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-22-21.08.log.html | 22:00 |
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