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| eliqiao_ | hi? | 14:02 |
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| PaulMurray | eliqiao_, | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | about to start | 14:02 |
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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 14:02:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:02 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:02 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:02 |
| eliqiao_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:03 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:03 |
| jlanoux | git diff | 14:03 |
| jlanoux | sorry | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Priority reviews | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority reviews (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:03 | |
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| PaulMurray | Feature freeze is effectively the end of this week | 14:04 |
| paul-carlton | o/ | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | lets go through the few patches we have remaining as on agenda | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | starting with live-migration-progress-report | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | this was discussed in the API meeting earlier | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258771 | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | can you briefly write here what's the conclusion? | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | i couldn't attend | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | There is a new patchset needed | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | so it only shows in-progress migrations | 14:06 |
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| pkoniszewski | for both, index and get? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, for the first version | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | I have a question - does anyone know if a novclient change has been done for this? | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, well, this is what we agreed on in spec | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281335/ | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: ^^ python-novaclient | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | it's almost good to go | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | needs a small fix | 14:07 |
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| pkoniszewski | (Andrey's comment) | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | good - didn't see it on the etherpad - I'll add it | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | this needs to be done this week too - there are two other python-novclient changes coming as well | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, would it be best to chain all these novaclient changes | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: per Andrey's comment, we should chain it because of microversions | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, needs to be in a chain | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | it gets confusing when we have holes in the support | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | it should stop them all conflicting all the time, as well | 14:09 |
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| PaulMurray | so shall we go progress-report <- force-complete <- abort | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | (left first) | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe, force and abort can be in either order, I guess | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | actually the first two are already there - yes, so only andrearosa to add his | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | on the end of the change | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | s/change/chain/ | 14:11 |
| andrearosa | ack | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: force is +Wed already | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | shouldnt we keep microversion order? | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, yes, of course - I'll catch up don't | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | andrearosa last and all is well I think | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | i.e. abort comes last | 14:13 |
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| PaulMurray | For abort-migrations we have | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277971 | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | Again - this needs to be rebased on | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | the report-migrations patch | 14:13 |
| andrearosa | I have a request and 2 open questions | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | go ahead | 14:14 |
| andrearosa | the request is please help me in testing it | 14:14 |
| andrearosa | the first open question is about | 14:14 |
| andrearosa | the excetion we want to raise in the API, if HTTPNotFound | 14:14 |
| andrearosa | or HTTPBadRequest in the evnet the migration is not found | 14:15 |
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| andrearosa | I put in the code HTTPNotFound but it seems | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | if its +W already, then lets just leave it, its a shame, but thats OK. | 14:15 |
| andrearosa | ppl prefer to have HTTPBadRequest tto be consisten with what we | 14:15 |
| andrearosa | have for force_complete | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have an API guideline on that, let me dig it up | 14:16 |
| andrearosa | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277971/8/nova/api/openstack/compute/server_migrations.py | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html#failure-code-clarifications | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the thing that is missing is in the URL I assume? | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rather than in the body of the request | 14:17 |
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| pkoniszewski | it's part of URL | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, so it should be 404 if its in the URL | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | its 400 if its in the body of the request | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, so i will fix force complete to be consistent | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | because it is against guideline right now | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh dear, yes, it should be consistent | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets do that before it merges, ideally | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | force complet ehas merged - abort hasn't | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would need to check if thats another microversion, technically... | 14:19 |
| andrearosa | I think it is | 14:19 |
| andrearosa | because we change a return code | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, I think users always expected 404 being possible, so we might get away without the bum | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | p | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/api_microversion_dev.html#when-do-i-need-a-new-microversion | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats kinda bending the rules, really | 14:21 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, shall we do the right thing | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | I will submit a fix and let's try to agree in reviews, is that ok? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, don't let this stop the more general conversation here | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: +1 | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | andrearosa, did you have a second question? | 14:22 |
| andrearosa | ok yes I did | 14:22 |
| andrearosa | there is a discussion about returning a more detailed error | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | #action pkoniszewski to make force-complete return code consistent with guidelines | 14:22 |
| andrearosa | from the libvirt driver | 14:22 |
| andrearosa | let me find the right link with the discussion | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | is it not an asynchronous API, so thats not possible? | 14:23 |
| andrearosa | sorry I didn't explain very well, to log a more detailed error | 14:23 |
| andrearosa | to try to understand if the abort failed for a generic reason or if it failed | 14:24 |
| andrearosa | because we tried to abort a job which was finished by the time we call the abort | 14:24 |
| andrearosa | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277971/7/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | andrearosa, that's a race condition between getting past the check in the api and actually trying to do it in the compute manager ? | 14:24 |
| andrearosa | that is not the latest PS but it is the PS with the discussion | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | is the compute manager RPC a call or a cast? | 14:25 |
| andrearosa | it's asyunc | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | so force completing a complete thing, is probably counted as a success, in my book | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like removing something thats already been removed, the thing you asked for has been completed. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | now if its cancelled, by the time you do force, then thats a different thing | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean this is an admin operation, so lets focus on good logging, honestly | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | can we distinguish between a complete migration and one in error ? | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | or does error also count as complete | 14:27 |
| andrearosa | we are open to race condition in any cases and what I do is to catch a general exception and reraise it and log it | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:27 |
| andrearosa | when we abort a live-migration we mark the migration as cancelled | 14:27 |
| andrearosa | if the live-migration doesn't complete beacause of an error | 14:28 |
| andrearosa | is marked as in error | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so does libvirt tell us what happened here? | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | that sounds like another race condition - so we need to go from libvirts view | 14:28 |
| andrearosa | in my understanding it just tell us 0 good -1 error, pkoniszewski ma I right? | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | it's what libvirt docs are saying | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | in which case, we need to get libvirt changed to help us with this | 14:29 |
| paul-carlton | nope, the migration status will be set based on the outcome detected by the monitor thread in the driver | 14:29 |
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| paul-carlton | so if it is running and someone aborts it then it will complete as cancelled | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats racey too, can we not double check the job status after the exception has raised? | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if the job actually completed, we have our answer | 14:30 |
| paul-carlton | if it finishes before the abort gets to take action it shows up as ended | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh wait, this is abort not force complete... so technically the abort failed | 14:31 |
| paul-carlton | the issue raise in the review was what is the outcome of the abort op and how should that be reported | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | is the migration marked as error if the abort fails ? | 14:31 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: yes the abort fails if the job was not running | 14:31 |
| paul-carlton | yes, if the abort tries to call jobAbort on a livbirt domain that has no job running you get an exception which is reported | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | PaulMurray: | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | nope if the failure was because | 14:32 |
| paul-carlton | in the action-list and instance fault objects/tables | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | the live-m,igration was finished | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | the live-migraion is reported as completed and the abort as failed | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | surely if the abort does not take effect it should not change the state of the migration ? | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | correct | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | so if we get a failure we just log a message | 14:33 |
| paul-carlton | PaulMurray, yes, that is what happens | 14:33 |
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| PaulMurray | so I'm not sure what the problem is ? | 14:33 |
| paul-carlton | yes, it logs an error if the abort fails | 14:33 |
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| andrearosa | yes the discussion point is to see if we want try to report the error and try to see if we can distinguish between a failed abort becasue the job was not running | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | or because a general error in thje libvirt | 14:34 |
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| andrearosa | at the moment we just log a generic error | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | and it's up to the operators to dig and try to understand what was wrong | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | so back to the beginning : can we distinguish the cases ? | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | without a race | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | in my understanding no we can't but Timofey has a different opinion | 14:35 |
| paul-carlton | yes | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | and he is not here | 14:36 |
| andrearosa | right :( | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton | we can, you need to call job abort directly | 14:36 |
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| paul-carlton | not via wrapper | 14:36 |
| andrearosa | ? | 14:36 |
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| pkoniszewski | but it will still return 0/-1 | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if we are talking about correctness of a log, lets ignore this, and get back to it | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton | or call infoJob first and the not call abortJob if there is no job | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, yes, this can be improved | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | later | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we call info job, after the exception, would that not tell us if it had completed? | 14:37 |
| andrearosa | paul-carlton: even in that scenrario we are still open to race | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | doing it after should avoid the race | 14:37 |
| paul-carlton | so if it really matters, you can call info, abort then if it fails info again, | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, that | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, actually, just the one info, after it fails would be enough | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think | 14:38 |
| paul-carlton | then you know for sure that if the second info says the job is active the abort failed to abort the migration rather than failed because migration was complete | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: would that work? | 14:39 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Randomly chiming, yes - job info means: "get active job information for the specified disk" | 14:39 |
| paul-carlton | info before doesn't cost much and saves you trying to abort something that has completed | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | kashyap: OK, so you can only get active jobs, not completed ones | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | paul-carlton: or failed | 14:39 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: I have to test it, I am a bit worried that this could take more time than expected I wonder fi we can go with this solution ATM and put an improvement, if we find one isi possible later | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this feels like a follow on patch | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 14:40 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: I agree | 14:40 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: That should also inform if the job is completed | 14:40 |
| paul-carlton | abort doesn't care if it completed or failed, our task was to abort it, we can only do that if it is running | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | andrearosa, I think you have a way forward now | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | lets move on | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | unless you have any other questions | 14:41 |
| andrearosa | yes thanks, basically I do not need to change anything, so please review it! | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, please add a follow up patch with ideas to test a fix, but yeah, lets not block on that for the merge | 14:41 |
| andrearosa | and test it, if you can I did on a multinode devstack installation | 14:41 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | "check experimental" should run the live-migrate jobs | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, it needs to abort during a migration | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean it doesn't test the new stuff, but check if we broke anything | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | agreed - all should always use the CI job on all patches | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | we are the live migration subteam ! | 14:42 |
| andrearosa | ok | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | next was going to be pause-vm-during-live-migration | 14:42 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Just to note, found this via (QEMU's query-events), so it'll emit a "BLOCK_JOB_COMPLETED" event for finished jobs | 14:42 |
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| PaulMurray | but pause is now complete except for the result consistency thing we discussed earlier | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | Making the live-migration API friendly | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | was discussed in the API meeting | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao_, can you summarise ? | 14:44 |
| eliqiao_ | PaulMurray: sure | 14:44 |
| eliqiao_ | call for team to help review start from #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275585/ | 14:44 |
| eliqiao_ | in previous API meeting, we discssed that not to make host and block_migration as optional. | 14:45 |
| eliqiao_ | #link for API meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-02-23-12.00.html | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so my take: there be many dragons, lets summarise all the use cases and issues by tomorrow, so we can find a path forward | 14:45 |
| eliqiao_ | yes, I will do a write down by tommorrow to find all cases. | 14:46 |
| eliqiao_ | especially while upgrade. | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am worried that we don't have enough supporting things around shared storage for the new API to be fully useful yet, and yeah, upgrade worries | 14:47 |
| eliqiao_ | We should prevent new API request while doing upgrade, this can be done in rpc API layer and give a 400 bad request. | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | At the moment I am not sure what we are looking to get done this week | 14:49 |
| eliqiao_ | sdague suggested that not to have optional parameter for host and block_migration and use 'auto' instead. | 14:49 |
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| PaulMurray | I think what we can do this week is part of what should be clear in the write up | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | is that what you were thinking johnthetubaguy | 14:49 |
| eliqiao_ | I will try to finish the write up by tommorow, I will call alex_xu for help. | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | concentrate on defining the problem for now | 14:50 |
| eliqiao_ | Beside, will update patch (compute api layer and REST API layer) for review. | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | its worth reviewing problems with some solutions | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | but don't worry about picking at this point | 14:51 |
| eliqiao_ | johnthetubaguy: sure, I will mention it in the write up. | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | we only have this week to do something in mitaka, so I want to understand when we should know if we are doing anything this week | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | because we all have to have read and understood | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | by that time | 14:52 |
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| PaulMurray | eliqiao_, where will you put the write up? | 14:53 |
| eliqiao_ | it's worth to read the origin sepc which is proposed by alex_xu. I don't get why my patch don't get review for about 6 weeks. | 14:53 |
| eliqiao_ | PaulMurray: perhanps I will send it to ML. | 14:53 |
| eliqiao_ | PaulMurray: or do you prefer to etherpad? | 14:53 |
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| PaulMurray | eliqiao_, I don't have a preference - perhaps etherpad and announce on ML ? | 14:54 |
| eliqiao_ | PaulMurray: okay, I can do that. | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we need to chat on IRC this time tomorrow, and go through our options | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | you could create one now and give us the url | 14:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, ideally earlier actually | 14:54 |
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| PaulMurray | how about 11am UTC | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, ^^? | 14:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets try for that | 14:57 |
| mdbooth | Before we finish I'd like to plug this series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282432/ | 14:57 |
| mdbooth | It's part of libvirt storage pools | 14:57 |
| mdbooth | I should probably tag that in the commits | 14:57 |
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| PaulMurray | #action eliqiao_ to do writeup for Making the live-migration API friendly in etherpad and we can talk about it at 11am UTC on IRC | 14:57 |
| eliqiao_ | PaulMurray: ack. | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: do we want to land any of that in mitaka? | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | Looks like it needs a rebase, also there's a (genuine! not false positive) failure in the middle which I've just worked out and need to fix. | 14:58 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Ideally all of it, yes. | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | But I still need to write the upgrade-related fix. | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, that blueprint is marked as defered currently, based on the midcycle discussion | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: The end of the series makes the changes to the driver which actually use it. | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, is that a bug fix? | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Oh, fun. | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Well, I haven't been deferring it :) I definitely won't finish it, though. | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | However, if I'm not allowed to make any progress, I will never finish it. | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, storage pools was deferred - but understood there was something you wanted in mitaka to prepare | 15:00 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Is what a bug? | 15:00 |
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| PaulMurray | the title of the patch says "Fix...." | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | wondered if feature freeze applies :) | 15:00 |
| mriedem | get out of my meeting room! :) | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: That's just the first in a long series :) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 15:01:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-02-23-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-02-23-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-02-23-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 15:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | sorry mriedem - my clock must be a minute slow | 15:01 |
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| paul-carlton | mdbooth, PaulMurray let's talk in nova room? | 15:01 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: np | 15:01 |
| mriedem | who's around for the stable team meeting? | 15:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 15:02 |
| mriedem | ooo | 15:02 |
| mriedem | i'm also fine to cancel as we're in the neutron meetup today | 15:03 |
| breton | o/ | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | alright, well let's breeze through this | 15:03 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StableTeam | 15:04 |
| bknudson | I do have a topic | 15:04 |
| mriedem | leave it for open discussion | 15:04 |
| mriedem | #status | 15:04 |
| mriedem | so the newish thing this week is trying to reset upper-constraints for stable/liberty to get the src job working for oslo.config https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282347/ | 15:04 |
| mriedem | ^ just needs reviews, i haven't gone through it yet | 15:05 |
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| mriedem | we've done similar for oslo.service and oslo.messaging | 15:05 |
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| mriedem | this one has like 9 libs though | 15:05 |
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| mriedem | #topic action items from previous meeting | 15:06 |
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| mriedem | 1. tonyb to talk to lifeless about fixtures bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New] | 15:06 |
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| mriedem | there are no updates in the bug for that | 15:06 |
| mriedem | Ihar capped testtools<2.0.0 in g-r on stable/kilo:Â https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276275/Â but things are still failing:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273274/ | 15:06 |
| mriedem | i'm not really sure why that is still failing, | 15:07 |
| mriedem | since testtools should be capped, unless something else is pulling in testtools 2.0.0 there | 15:07 |
| mriedem | 2. mriedem to send a reminder to -dev ML for stable CPLs/PTLs to hang out in #openstack-stable | 15:07 |
| mriedem | done: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086600.html | 15:07 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | Check for stable/liberty point release candidates as we wind down to m-3:Â http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | i'm guilty of not doing that for nova yet | 15:08 |
| mriedem | there are no stuck reviews in the agenda so we'll skip that | 15:08 |
| mriedem | and no tooling updates | 15:08 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 15:08 |
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| mriedem | bknudson: go! | 15:08 |
| bknudson | ok, this is related to stable/kilo | 15:08 |
| bknudson | there's a requirements change from proposal bot to keystonemiddleware that's failing: | 15:08 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277022/2 | 15:09 |
| bknudson | oh, looks like this was fixed already | 15:09 |
| bknudson | the requirements job was removed. | 15:10 |
| mriedem | yeah i saw it was passing | 15:10 |
| bknudson | gate-keystonemiddleware-requirements was failing, but now that's not running anymore | 15:10 |
| bknudson | which is what I was going to discuss, whether this job was useful. | 15:10 |
| bknudson | looks like it was already decided not useful | 15:11 |
| mriedem | i'm looking for the change that removed the job | 15:11 |
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| mriedem | not finding it | 15:12 |
| mriedem | so why was it failing? | 15:12 |
| mriedem | or can you give a summary? | 15:12 |
| bknudson | oh, wait https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277022/5 | 15:12 |
| bknudson | it's still failing | 15:12 |
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| mriedem | ah wrong patc hset | 15:12 |
| bknudson | gate-keystonemiddleware-requirements doesn't show up in the summary probably due to odd formatting | 15:12 |
| bknudson | the summary is: | 15:12 |
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| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/22/277022/5/check/gate-keystonemiddleware-requirements/6fa8646/console.html#_2016-02-12_16_05_55_677 | 15:13 |
| bknudson | when gate-keystonemiddleware-requirements runs, it uses master openstack-infra/project-config but stable/kilo requirenments! | 15:13 |
| bknudson | and project-config tries to use fields that were only added in newer requirements | 15:13 |
| mriedem | well, project-config is branchless | 15:13 |
| mriedem | like extras | 15:13 |
| mriedem | which causes this? AttributeError: 'Requirement' object has no attribute 'location' | 15:14 |
| bknudson | yes, location was added in liberty or mitaka | 15:14 |
| mriedem | so we just need to land the backports here? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I146baa3ef94cc8bbf29af371786f3ea95a42cb9f,n,z | 15:14 |
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| bknudson | the stable/liberty backport required backporting a bunch of other changes | 15:15 |
| bknudson | and, even once all these liberty backports are done, I'm not sure that the kilo requirements job is going to work | 15:16 |
| bknudson | because the upper-constraints and requirements in stable/kilo are just inconsistent | 15:16 |
| bknudson | so if we fix the requirements job I expect it's just going to tell us that the requirements are inconsistent and -V | 15:17 |
| mriedem | so this tries to use upper-constraints and since the u-c file in stable/kilo is just a garbage stub, it finds that and tries to use that and blows up? | 15:17 |
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| mriedem | didn't we talk about deleting u-c in stable/kilo related to this at some point | 15:17 |
| bknudson | y, I think that's what's going to happen. | 15:17 |
| mriedem | i wonder how bad that would blow up | 15:17 |
| mriedem | has anyone proposed that to see what the fallout is? | 15:17 |
| mriedem | the test job should be able to handle that it doesn't exist | 15:17 |
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| mriedem | bknudson: you want to propose that? | 15:19 |
| bknudson | remove upper-constraints.txt in stable/kilo? | 15:19 |
| mriedem | yeah | 15:19 |
| bknudson | I can do that. | 15:19 |
| mriedem | just WIP | 15:19 |
| mriedem | anything else we should know/do about this right now? | 15:20 |
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| mriedem | i can take a look at the backports at some point here | 15:20 |
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| bknudson | I don't know what affect removing u-c.txt will have, but if that works I'm fine with that as a solution | 15:21 |
| mriedem | well let's just see what happens with it | 15:21 |
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| mriedem | it's vestigial in kilo and if it's causing issues with the job, we should fix that | 15:21 |
| mriedem | #action bknduson to propose dropping upper-constraints from stable/kilo to see if the reqs job will work without it | 15:22 |
| mriedem | #undo | 15:22 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x98bbbd0> | 15:22 |
| mriedem | #action bknudson to propose dropping upper-constraints from stable/kilo to see if the reqs job will work without it | 15:22 |
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| mriedem | alright, anything else from anyone? | 15:22 |
| mriedem | well let's end it, we're doing introductions here now so i should pay attention | 15:23 |
| mriedem | thanks for showing up | 15:23 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 15:23:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-23-15.01.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-23-15.01.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-02-23-15.01.log.html | 15:23 |
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| ttx | mriedem: oops, missed meeting time. Don't hesitate to ping me next time. Tag is in progress, adoption expected next week | 15:30 |
| mriedem | ttx: ok, np, and yeah, i have to get back around to reviewing the latest change | 15:31 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
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| vijendar | o/ | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 17:03 |
| vijendar | Hi devkulkarni | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | right now its just you and me here | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | lets wait for few minutes to see if others are joining us | 17:04 |
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| vijendar | ok | 17:04 |
| dimtruck | o/ | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't seen ashishjain or pt_15 on irc channel in last few days | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | hi dimtruck | 17:04 |
| dimtruck | hi! | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | good to see you | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-02-23_1700_UTC | 17:05 |
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| muralia1 | o/ | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | hi muralia1 | 17:05 |
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| devkulkarni | nice to see you | 17:05 |
| muralia1 | hi everyone | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | we have dimtruck and vijendar here today | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. I think we have a quorum so lets get started | 17:06 |
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| devkulkarni | the agenda for today is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-02-23_1700_UTC | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | take a moment to look through it | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | we are light on things to cover today, so probably we should be able to finish bit early | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
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| devkulkarni | I have none prepared | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | do any of you have any announcements for the team? | 17:07 |
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| devkulkarni | alright.. | 17:07 |
| dimtruck | no sir | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | let me directly go to reviews as there were no action items from last time | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | thanks dimtruck | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 17:08 |
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| devkulkarni | We have three items in this topic today | 17:08 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) Replace oslo incubation package for log with oslo log library | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273566/ | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | let me give background about this patch | 17:09 |
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| devkulkarni | Basically it replaces the log module from oslo incubator, which we have been using till now, with the corresponding module from the oslo library | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | I tried the patch yesterday in my devstack setup | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | it doesn't affect end-to-end functionality, but it is polluting the screens with an error message | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | I have added my comments to the patch | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | I discussed with rbradfor about a path to resolve this | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | basically the plan is to remove the support_trace formatting from plugin.sh and try the patch again | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | if it works, we will know that we need to fix the support_trace issue somehow | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | do any of you remember why we had added support_trace in our log formatting line? | 17:12 |
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| devkulkarni | you will find the discussion about the issue in the patch review history | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273566/ | 17:13 |
| dimtruck | i believe most of our logs are trace logs | 17:14 |
| dimtruck | not sure if we need them at all | 17:14 |
| dimtruck | but they've been around as long as i can remember | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | you mean, the log level is trace? | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: hmm.. same here.. it has been there since the beginning. I am going to remove it and try the patch | 17:15 |
| dimtruck | ok | 17:15 |
| dimtruck | yes devkulkarni | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | will update the patch with the result | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:15 |
| dimtruck | the downside is we won't see a lot of the internal flows | 17:15 |
| dimtruck | but not sure if we need them on by default | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | ah I see | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | we would want to see internal flows.. at least in the devstack setup | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | if we are not going to see internal flows if we remove support_trace then I would be reluctant to merge this patch as it is | 17:16 |
| dimtruck | well, we can also validate it by removing support_trace | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | in any case, it is right now polluting our screens with error message | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: yep | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | so before reaching any conclusion, let me try that first | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | if we remove support_trace and are still able to see all the internal flows, then we are fine | 17:17 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | good discussion.. any more thoughts on this topic? will update the patch after my experimentation | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | ok, lets move on to the second item | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Solum horizon plugin | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | recently we received a patch to enable the plugin in our devstack env | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277197/ | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | please don't approve the patch yet, as I want to try it out in my devstack setup | 17:19 |
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| dimtruck | ok | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | but while looking at the patch I thought of checking out solum-dashboard repository and enabling it in my devstack setup | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | and while doing that I ran into an issue, which I have captured in this bug: | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1546596 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546596 in Solum "integration-of-solum-dashboard-in-horizon-fails" [High,New] - Assigned to Han Manjong (aksmj8855) | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | have any of you worked on horizon before? or have basic understanding of how it works, and how the plugins work? | 17:21 |
| dimtruck | looking | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | if you have any thoughts/comments regarding this, please add it to the bug description | 17:21 |
| dimtruck | strange | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: thanks.. on the bug, there was a comment towards the end by Hans.. I need to go back and reply to his questions | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: listening.. | 17:22 |
| dimtruck | cool...but i'd think that'd be provided by devstack | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | what would be provided by devstack? | 17:22 |
| dimtruck | https://github.com/openstack/solum-dashboard/blob/master/requirements.txt#L3 | 17:22 |
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| dimtruck | yeah, so it's <1.8 | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | I see.. so we need to bump it to 1.8? | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | we'd need to update these since they haven't been touched since 2014 | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | that is correct | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | there had to be a reason it was set to those specific verisons... | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | we'd probably want to bump everything and see what breaks | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | and everything = pbr and django | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | I was thinking of resuscitating this repo now that we have a working end-to-end cli experience | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | devkulkarni: +1 | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | it will be awesome if we can get the horizon plugin working before the austin summit | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | i can take a look and see what needs to be done to do that | 17:25 |
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| dimtruck | if you don't mind creating a bug and assigning it to me | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: that would be super helpful.. you are awesome.. sure I can do that | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: no pressure though.. I am also trying to see if pt_15 or hans can help us on this | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | but haven't seen them around in a while | 17:26 |
| dimtruck | awesome! thanks | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1546596 | 17:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546596 in Solum "integration-of-solum-dashboard-in-horizon-fails" [High,New] - Assigned to Han Manjong (aksmj8855) | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | thanks to you dimtruck.. lets try to see if we can get the plugin in good shape before the summit | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | I will also start looking into it | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. let me go to the third item on the list | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | 3) Cutting a release | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086152.html | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | this needs to happen this week | 17:28 |
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| devkulkarni | I will submit patches for this in next couple of days | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | there is one patch related to scaling which is failing gate test | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | I will try to get it fixed | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | and then submit patches to the release repo | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | just wanted to give update regarding that | 17:29 |
| dimtruck | devkulkarni: is this the last release before the summit? | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: no, this is not | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | if you check the email, what has been suggested is all the projects that are following the intermediate release cycle | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | understood | 17:30 |
| dimtruck | thank you | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni | do a release in three weeks (announced two weeks back) | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni | the idea is that the release team wants to have some release done before April 1st so that they can use it to cut mitaka | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni | they were suggesting that, just as a precaution we do a release now so that there will be something available, should we end up not cutting a release before April 1st again | 17:31 |
| dimtruck | understood | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | in case we do cut a release before April 1st, they will use the latest | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. so those were the patches/bugs that I wanted to discuss | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | are there any bugs/patches that you all want to discuss? | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni | alright.. lets move on to open discussion | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:33 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) Proposal to separate design summit from OpenStack conference | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087161.html | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | I don't know if you have been following this thread | 17:33 |
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| devkulkarni | the discussion here is to separate the design summit from the main conference | 17:33 |
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| devkulkarni | whenever you get a chance, I would encourage to read it | 17:34 |
| dimtruck | wow! | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | it will affect all of us as far as attending openstack conferences is concerned | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: yep | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | there are pros and cons | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | but mostly ppl seem to be in favor of the proposal | 17:35 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:35 |
| dimtruck | seems legit | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni | the main issue that I feel is it won't allow developers to meet users | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | at least not all developers would get to meet the users | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | lets see how this pans out | 17:36 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | I am expecting major discussion about this in the Austin summit | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | The second upstream update is | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Lock fencing for addressing race conditions/mutual exclusion with distributed services | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087032.html | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | An interesting thread.. | 17:37 |
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| devkulkarni | basically it talks about issue of how to ensure that concurrent services don't end up getting into race condition | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | I feel it is relevant to us as we have seen situations where two solum-deployer run into race condition when updating the db corresponding to two successive app deploy actions | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | the solution that is proposed, which actually comes from the discussion of redis's redlock, is to use a monotonically increasing id with each db call | 17:39 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | then the storage layer needs to reject calls which it receives that contain an id which is less than the id that it currently knows as the latest | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | our approach is somewhat similar .. we use timestamps | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | to reject updates from an earlier timestamp | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | but this works only when we have multiple deployer processes running on the same node | 17:41 |
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| devkulkarni | it won't work when we have deployers on different nodes | 17:41 |
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| devkulkarni | so, thought we should be aware of what others are thinking about this | 17:41 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | would definitely recommend checking the thread and the references there in | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | third update from upstream is: | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | 3) Non-blocking IO in Nova -- discussion that may be relevant for solum-deployer | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087169.html | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni | one more interesting thread | 17:42 |
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| devkulkarni | the issue that this is discussing is, the main thread of nova seems to making blocking io calls | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | the thread has suggestions on how to solve it | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | I thought we can check the mechanisms suggested there for our deployer | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | in the deployer we are busy waiting on heat status check.. | 17:44 |
| dimtruck | +1 | 17:44 |
| dimtruck | definitely! | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | while we are not making blocking calls, the issue of busy waiting has similar effect on our code | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | that the deployer is blocked | 17:44 |
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| devkulkarni | may be we can find some ideas from that thread to be used in our code | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: yep | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | and final item on upstream updates is related to documentation generation | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | 4) Should not use 'git log' in generating documentation | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086917.html | 17:46 |
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| devkulkarni | this talks about the problem that packagers run into if the documentation for a package is defined to be generated using 'git log' | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni | an interesting thread to ready | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | s/ready/read/ | 17:47 |
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| devkulkarni | I thought those were the main updates from upstream in the last week | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | anything that caught your attention on the mailing list? | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | I know that there was a magnum midcycle.. would be interested to know how it went and what is the latest on /container endpoint? | 17:48 |
| dimtruck | sounds like we're keeping it | 17:49 |
| dimtruck | there's still some conversation on that | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:49 |
| dimtruck | but the cores are split 50/50 | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 17:49 |
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| devkulkarni | what were the main take aways? | 17:49 |
| dimtruck | it seems like what magnum /may/ become is its own COE on top of swarm, k8s, and mesos | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | with the /containers endpoint | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | so you'd essentially have a choice of 4 COEs | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | a la AWS | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni | I see | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni | interesting | 17:50 |
| dimtruck | adrian will put together notes about the meetup sometime this week and i'll be sure to update the team with them | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | I remember reading about such a proposal from hongbin | 17:51 |
| dimtruck | right | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | that would be very helpful dimtruck | 17:51 |
| dimtruck | he's the main proponent of it | 17:51 |
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| devkulkarni | gotcha | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: do you know when we will hear about our submissions? | 17:52 |
| dimtruck | no sir | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | hmm.. I have also not come across the date when it will be announced | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | I am thinking it may be sometime in mid-march | 17:52 |
| dimtruck | i believe so as well | 17:53 |
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| dimtruck | i'm sure we'll see an email come out | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | yep.. | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | anything else to discuss today? If not, we can end.. its almost top of the hour anyways | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | ok then | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | thanks dimtruck muralia1 vijendar for joining today | 17:54 |
| dimtruck | thank you! | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | hopefully see you next week too | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 17:54:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-02-23-17.00.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-02-23-17.00.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-02-23-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
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