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| reedip | yamamoto : meeting today ? | 06:31 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 06:31 |
| soichi | hi | 06:31 |
| kazu | hello | 06:31 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i don't see any cancel announcement | 06:31 |
| reedip | yeah, I was wondering the same as it didnt start | 06:32 |
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| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 06:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 06:33:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | Hi all | 06:33 |
| soichi | hi | 06:34 |
| kazu | hello | 06:34 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 06:34 |
| vnyyad | since there is no fixed agenda today... anyone wants to bring up something? | 06:34 |
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| reedip | Well , I was going through the various TaaS related lonks | 06:35 |
| reedip | links* | 06:35 |
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| reedip | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/8/specs/juno/tap-as-a-service.rst | 06:36 |
| reedip | this had some very important points of discussion | 06:36 |
| reedip | when TaaS was floated in Juno | 06:37 |
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| anil_rao | reedip: anything in particular? | 06:37 |
| reedip | anil_rao : have to compare it once more, will share the same in the ML | 06:37 |
| reedip | by today/tomorrow | 06:38 |
| vnyyad | reedip: sure | 06:38 |
| anil_rao | OK | 06:38 |
| reedip | anil_rao, vnyyad : we would also maybe need to decide on certain milestones once our spec is released | 06:38 |
| reedip | to keep track of what are the various things which we need to do and which the users require | 06:39 |
| reedip | for that we may need to maintain a wiki page ( yamamoto, correct me if I am wrong ) | 06:39 |
| anil_rao | A good first milestone (which we somewhat discussed in Tokyo) was getting the current implementation solidified. | 06:40 |
| yamamoto | we need to maintain the info, yes | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | I.e. handle bugs and corner cases. | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | I am going through the paces of using TaaS and have a few things to report. | 06:40 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: and have automated tests | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: +1 | 06:41 |
| reedip | yamamoto : +1 | 06:41 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:42 |
| reedip | I was also going through the other proposed TaaS options, and found this | 06:42 |
| reedip | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106236/1/specs/juno/bsn-taas.rst | 06:42 |
| reedip | again a Juno Spec | 06:42 |
| reedip | this was discontinued, but displayed an option which can be taken up in the future ... just mentioning it here, so that we have a track of the spec | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | reedip: nothing much happened after the spec or on the spec as well | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | anil: you wanted to report some findings | 06:44 |
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| anil_rao | Looks like they are talking about a Big Switch backend (plugin + driver) behind TaaS. | 06:44 |
| reedip | vnyyad: yeah I noticed it, and was trying to get some info from kevin, but Mitaka Release is here... :( | 06:44 |
| reedip | anil_rao : yes | 06:44 |
| yamamoto | reedip: isn't it just about a vendor impl of taas? | 06:44 |
| reedip | yamamoto: yes , seems so | 06:44 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: yes | 06:44 |
| yamamoto | if bsn is still interested in implementing, there's nothing prevent it i guess. | 06:45 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:45 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: actually good i would say | 06:45 |
| anil_rao | Yes, they are most welcome to implement a backend on the TaaS API. | 06:45 |
| reedip | yeah, would increase exposure | 06:45 |
| yamamoto | we might want to split some part of plugin into a driver for easier vendor impl though. | 06:46 |
| reedip | yamamoto : it may be required in the future, if someone does want to implement | 06:47 |
| yamamoto | i guess i will do it for midonet impl by myself, but if someone want to beat me, be my guest. :-) | 06:48 |
| reedip | :) | 06:48 |
| vnyyad | :) | 06:49 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : you had some findings | 06:49 |
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| reedip | could you share the same | 06:49 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Sure. | 06:49 |
| anil_rao | I was testing the neutron client with taas extensions. Here are some findings. | 06:50 |
| anil_rao | Environment: multi-node devstack, 1 controller, 2 compute nodes | 06:50 |
| anil_rao | I had to pull in some of reedip's patches to get tap-service-create working. | 06:50 |
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| anil_rao | tap-service list only works if a tap-service exists. If no tap-services are there the call returns 'list index out of range' | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | the same if true of tap-flow-list if no tap-flows exist. | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | It seems like there is a bug somewhere because once I have a tap-service the list operation works as expected. | 06:52 |
| reedip | the bug seems to be in Multi-node , because in single node, it is working | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | Sure. I'll dig in to this some more to find out what is going wrong in the multi-node case. | 06:53 |
| anil_rao | tap-flow-create didn't work initiallly because of missing --service parameter. | 06:53 |
| reedip | anil_rao : the q-svc logs may be helpful ( and you can run neutron --debug tap-service-create) | 06:53 |
| reedip | create -> list ^^^ | 06:53 |
| anil_rao | Nothing more than what I had sent you a couple of weeks back. | 06:54 |
| reedip | anil_rao : ok | 06:54 |
| anil_rao | I'll try the --debug option and check again tomorrow. | 06:54 |
| vasubabu | anil_rao: i too found same issues | 06:55 |
| vasubabu | i did add --service_id instead of --service | 06:55 |
| anil_rao | I have made some minor corrections to the tap-flow-create logic and now got it work with --service. I'll provide the fix in my review comment on reedip's patch. | 06:55 |
| vasubabu | it worked | 06:55 |
| reedip | thats why I kept it on hold :) | 06:55 |
| anil_rao | vasubabu: I'd prefer it that we call the parameter tap-service instead of service_id because reedip's implementation allows for both name and id. | 06:56 |
| vasubabu | ok | 06:56 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | reedip: I'll have the review comments up in the gerrit review tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. | 06:56 |
| reedip | anil_rao : sure, unless I find an easier method to get it working before that :D | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | I had some other comments to ensure that the tap-flow and tap-service create operations are similar. At the moment they look quite different. | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | Also, some comments on the help text. :-) | 06:58 |
| anil_rao | If you can wait until I upload the comments tomorrow that would be great. :-) | 06:58 |
| anil_rao | the show and delete commands are working correctly. No surprises there. | 06:58 |
| reedip | ok :) | 06:59 |
| anil_rao | I'll verify the operation of the taas driver next with actual traffic. Hopefully, everything is okay there. | 06:59 |
| anil_rao | I am concerned about the arp anti-spoofing flows in br-int. For the Vancouver demo we had just shut that feature off by making the TaaS flows have higher priority. We'll need to solve this in an agreeable manner however. | 07:00 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: yeah that need to be resolved going forward | 07:01 |
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| anil_rao | there was a question today in the ml2 extensions review on this topic. | 07:02 |
| anil_rao | did any of you see that? | 07:03 |
| yamamoto | the one from Farhad? | 07:03 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: Yes | 07:04 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 07:04 |
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| anil_rao | We essentially need an understanding between projects as to the order in which packets are exmined by their respective flows. | 07:05 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: agree | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | I'll add something to that effect in that review and see what others have to say. | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | Arp anti-spoofing is especially interesting because I see it as another form of security group checks (like anti mac and anti IP). today we sit below security groups, so technically we should be below arp anti-spoofing. | 07:09 |
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| vnyyad | +1 | 07:12 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: makes sense | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | I need to examine the data path for arp anti spoofing some more before I can comment more on this. I'll get to that as I test out the TaaS data path with actual traffic. | 07:13 |
| anil_rao | soichi and kaz: Thanks a bunch for your work on the Horizon dashboard support for TaaS. I have some comments. Should I put them up on the mailing list? | 07:14 |
| soichi | yes, please | 07:14 |
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| anil_rao | soichi: OK. I'll have them for you tomorrow. :-) | 07:14 |
| reedip | Just a query : Is there any scope of getting the Spec approved for Mitaka for governance? | 07:14 |
| reedip | reedip : sorry, just remembered Armando's comment | 07:15 |
| reedip | seems I am pinging myself now.... need some coffee! | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | :-) | 07:16 |
| yamamoto | soichi: what's your LP/gerrit account? | 07:16 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Do I need to do something special to get the 'neutron' command to work in a different machine than the DevStack controller node. | 07:17 |
| anil_rao | reedip: with the taas extensions. | 07:17 |
| soichi | yamamoto: i didn't have yet. | 07:18 |
| reedip | anil_rao : my brain tells me no. | 07:18 |
| reedip | Ideally if you have the TaaS extensions running, you shouldnt have any problems | 07:18 |
| anil_rao | reedip: OK, thanks. | 07:19 |
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| soichi | topic: new core reviewers | 07:19 |
| soichi | thank you for inviting me to the core team | 07:19 |
| soichi | actually, i'm surprised that i was nominated as a core reviewer candidate | 07:20 |
| vnyyad | your pleasure | 07:20 |
| soichi | it is my pleasure to work for taas project | 07:20 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:20 |
| anil_rao | +1 | 07:20 |
| kazu | +1 | 07:21 |
| anil_rao | +1 for yamamoto too. | 07:21 |
| soichi | +1 for yamamoto | 07:21 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 07:21 |
| yamamoto | soichi: feel free to reach me if you have anything unclear about gerrit. in japanese if you prefer. | 07:21 |
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| soichi | yamamoto: thank you | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | so should i go ahead and add them to the core reviewers in the project gerrit? | 07:22 |
| yamamoto | thank you all | 07:22 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: we usually wait for a week or so | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | sure :) | 07:22 |
| soichi | i will create a gerrit acount | 07:24 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:24 |
| vnyyad | aob+ | 07:25 |
| vnyyad | aob? | 07:25 |
| yamamoto | ? | 07:26 |
| vnyyad | any other business :) | 07:26 |
| reedip | naah , besides the times up | 07:26 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | nothing from me too. | 07:27 |
| soichi | me too | 07:27 |
| kazu | i have no item | 07:27 |
| vnyyad | thank everyone for the meeting today | 07:28 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 07:28 |
| vnyyad | see you in the next one | 07:28 |
| soichi | bye | 07:28 |
| anil_rao | thanks and bye | 07:28 |
| kazu | bye | 07:28 |
| vnyyad | bye all | 07:28 |
| vasubabu | thanks you, bye | 07:28 |
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| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 07:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 07:28:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-02-06.33.html | 07:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-02-06.33.txt | 07:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-02-06.33.log.html | 07:28 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 09:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | hi everyone :-) | 09:00 |
| omer_etrog | hi | 09:00 |
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| emalin | hi | 09:01 |
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| elisha_r | hey all | 09:02 |
| idan_hefetz | Hi! | 09:03 |
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| lhartal | hi all :) | 09:03 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Current status | 09:05 |
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| ifat_afek | Our last meeting was not recorded, due to a problem with OpenStack bot. You can find the meeting log in: | 09:05 |
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| ifat_afek | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-02-24-09.01.log.txt | 09:06 |
| eyalb | hi all | 09:06 |
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| ifat_afek | We are progressing well :-) you can look at our blueprints for mitaka, most of them are implemented or in good progress: | 09:06 |
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| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/mitaka | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | My updates: | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | I finished nagios plugin implementation | 09:07 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello my friends | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | Started working on aodh. I plan to write two blueprints by tomorrow: one for get all alarms and the other one to notify them about vitrage alarms | 09:07 |
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| ifat_afek | . I’m working on it together with idan_hefetz. | 09:07 |
| idan_hefetz | first, Graph Notifier blueprint should be closed soon, once the Integration with the Evaluator is complete. | 09:08 |
| nofar_schnider | hi everyone | 09:08 |
| idan_hefetz | second, I've began the research for the AODH-Notifier, it should be a pluggable solution for any type of notifier. | 09:08 |
| idan_hefetz | Once all the details are clear we should create the blueprint and schedule a design meeting. | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: cool | 09:09 |
| eyalb | I will update | 09:09 |
| eyalb | I started to work on the puppet install of vitrage | 09:10 |
| eyalb | thats it :-) | 09:10 |
| elisha_r | I'll update | 09:10 |
| elisha_r | (this is an update for myself and lhartal as well))))) | 09:10 |
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| dubigal | returned to work on the api handler | 09:12 |
| dubigal | testing qpid | 09:12 |
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| elisha_r | hey - got disconnected... | 09:12 |
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| elisha_r | so, the evaluator is proceeding nicely. we hope to have, by the end of next week, support for set state templates | 09:13 |
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| danoffek | hi | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek | cool!! | 09:13 |
| alexey_weyl | Great elisha_r!!! :) | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek | and great lhartal :-) | 09:13 |
| elisha_r | once that flow is done, it will be much simpler to add more actions (raise alarm, RCA) and more templates | 09:14 |
| elisha_r | that;s it | 09:14 |
| nofar_schnider | elisha_r: nice! | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek | these are great news, we'll have an end-to-end flow working | 09:14 |
| danoffek | Great ! I know people are waiting for the final result outside our inner group | 09:15 |
| elisha_r | cool | 09:15 |
| Alon | Hi everyone, can I update from the UI side ? :) (Nofar this is for U) | 09:16 |
| ifat_afek | sure | 09:16 |
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| Alon | RCA from client side is already finished last week ago, let me know if you installed it, and saw the results | 09:16 |
| Alon | Today I have a meeting with Ohad and Alexey about the states of the topology, and how to visualize them in the UI | 09:17 |
| Alon | That's all | 09:17 |
| alexey_weyl | I have installed the updaed vitrage-dashboard and saw the jumping window | 09:17 |
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| alexey_weyl | but because i didn't have any RCA it was empty | 09:18 |
| Alon | (Jumping window = modal) | 09:18 |
| alexey_weyl | *popping window | 09:18 |
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| danoffek | I like jumping window better | 09:18 |
| alexey_weyl | sorry for my jinglish | 09:18 |
| Alon | OK, call me when the real data is there. I want to see it live | 09:18 |
| alexey_weyl | ok | 09:19 |
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| nofar_schnider | I'll update | 09:19 |
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| nofar_schnider | I'm debugging the nova instance synchronizer to test the work with oslo messaging | 09:20 |
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| nofar_schnider | then I will work with the transformer and continue to the host and zone synchronizers | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek | nofar_schnider: cool! | 09:22 |
| nofar_schnider | hopefully I'll finish it as soon as possible, the hard part was figuring the work with the bus | 09:22 |
| nofar_schnider | a week tops | 09:23 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:23 |
| ifat_afek | who else wants to update? | 09:23 |
| alexey_weyl | I will update | 09:24 |
| alexey_weyl | I have finished to work on the states aggreagation and normalization blueprint | 09:24 |
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| alexey_weyl | need to write the documentation today | 09:24 |
| alexey_weyl | finished :) | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: cool, so once you are done documenting we can close the blueprint? | 09:25 |
| alexey_weyl | yes :) | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | any other updates anyone? | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | ok, let's move on | 09:26 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 09:26 |
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| ifat_afek | • action ifat_afek update aodh blueprints | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek | I started working on it yesterday | 09:27 |
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| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek update aodh blueprints | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek | • action define what information that should appear in the alarms list | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek | I think it makes sense to talk about it after I'm done with aodh blueprints | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek | #action define what information that should appear in the alarms list | 09:27 |
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| ifat_afek | • action document vitrage configuration | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek | I didn't get to it, and it won't happen this week either | 09:28 |
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| ifat_afek | • action copy vitrage API documentation to the developer guide | 09:28 |
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| eyalb_ | I will work on the api documentation this week | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb_: thanks | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | #action eyalb_ copy vitrage API documentation to the developer guide | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:29 |
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| ifat_afek | I have nothing to say in this topic | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 09:30 |
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| ifat_afek | anyone wants to discuss anything? | 09:30 |
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| ifat_afek | ok, so bye everyone, see you next week | 09:32 |
| nofar_schnider | bye | 09:32 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 09:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 09:32:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-02-09.00.html | 09:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-02-09.00.txt | 09:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-02-09.00.log.html | 09:32 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizon | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 12:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:00 |
| doug-fish | \o | 12:00 |
| mrunge | o/ | 12:01 |
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| david-lyle | well, we are a day away from M-3 | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | how are we looking? | 12:03 |
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| mrunge | tired? | 12:03 |
| mrunge | :D | 12:03 |
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| david-lyle | indeed | 12:03 |
| doug-fish | lol, yeah that's true | 12:03 |
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| masco | :) | 12:03 |
| robcresswell | I'd still quite like to flip the switch on Launch Instance. The patch to fix the theming has had a few iterations and reviews now. | 12:03 |
| robcresswell | Swift has its first 2 patches in I think | 12:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 12:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the meat is still yet to come tho | 12:04 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | launch instance is looking great | 12:04 |
| doug-fish | lbaas-dashboard is looking pretty good - so I guess angular plugin support in horizon must be in good shape too | 12:04 |
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| betherly | o/ sorry im late! | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | There is a floating IP panel and some cinder code I wanted to review too | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | and I need to review the domain scoped token patch again | 12:05 |
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| betherly | ditto to what doug-fish said for the ironic-ui. angular plugin support is good! | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | seems like we're close on a lot, but likely won't land any by M-3 | 12:06 |
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| masco | QoS patch also almost ready in angular some reviews are most welcome | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | so then we have to start assessing what is FFE worthy | 12:06 |
| itxaka | what does _FFE_ means, sorry? | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | Feature Freeze Exception | 12:06 |
| itxaka | gotcha, thanks o/ | 12:07 |
| robcresswell | Permission to keep working on your blueprint :) | 12:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | M-3 is a feature freeze point for Mitaka | 12:07 |
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| david-lyle | well you can always keep working on your bp, just may be blocked from merging until N | 12:07 |
| robcresswell | yeah | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | if things are in the gate by tomorrow, I think that's an easy call to make i | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | t | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | I also need to try and release d-o-a again | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | I think LI should be. It's way more consistent now, and I'd like to start putting some angular content in front of people. | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | bug fixes and 1.9 support | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | yep | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | ok, once LI changes are merged, I think we can move forward on making it default | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | Sounds good | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | any other pressing M-3 items | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:11 |
| tsufiev | unfortunately, I haven't managed to refresh patches for AVAILABLE_REGIONS setting renaming :( | 12:12 |
| tsufiev | so I guess they are left for N | 12:12 |
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| itxaka | ok, so if Im understanding this correctly, whatever does not get in by tomorrow, its left for next release rigth (sorry, release noob!) | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | itxaka: for new features yes | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | there will be a few exceptions | 12:14 |
| doug-fish | unless it's given an exception | 12:14 |
| mrunge | Just looking at https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 12:14 |
| robcresswell | Any blueprinted features. Bugfixes are normally fine, unless they involve new strings. | 12:15 |
| mrunge | there are 3/8 blueprints implemented | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | I think that LBaaS is redundant, no? I thought it was just a plugin now | 12:15 |
| itxaka | so if there is a bp with target release mitaka instead of mitaka-m3, what does that entail actually? | 12:16 |
| doug-fish | "just" a plugin? | 12:16 |
| doug-fish | I thought we were the stars of the show now. | 12:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the theme blueprint needs updating - theme switching landed last week | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | haha sorry doug. So much more than a plugin :) | 12:16 |
| doug-fish | That's the same thing - we must have opened a horizon blueprint | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | The cinder consistency groups blueprint is the one I mentioned earlier | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | That needs some review attention, it was mentioned at the midcycle I believe. | 12:17 |
| tsufiev | I think Dynamic themes can be marked as Implemented | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | yes and we finally landed cinder v2 or v1 support patch, which makes me happy | 12:18 |
| tsufiev | there is only an integration test for that is still pending | 12:18 |
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| itxaka | thinking about this 2 bp and how do they fit in this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/configurable-boot-sources and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/allow-launching-ports | 12:19 |
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| itxaka | both are targeted for mitaka and are new features but if m-3 is FF...then I dont really get it :) | 12:20 |
| * r1chardj0n3s just hoping no-one has noticed there's no swift blueprint listed | 12:20 | |
| robcresswell | itxaka: So at this point, if you think the code is stable and ready, you can ask for an FFE; in that case, it can still merge in the next week or so. | 12:21 |
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| robcresswell | Generally speaking, FFEs are only given to very desirable patches or those that have just missed landing (i.e. failed jenkins on the final day or something silly) | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: oh it's been noticed | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-swift | 12:22 |
| doug-fish | r1chardj0n3s: so what's the story there? | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the patches don't reference it :/ | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | my bad | 12:22 |
| robcresswell | Well, its good to know people aren't merging code without any reference to LP. | 12:23 |
| robcresswell | Oh wait... :p | 12:23 |
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| david-lyle | well at least r1chardj0n3s is new to the project and didn't know better | 12:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah. again, my bad. not sure how the bp reference got lost along the way | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | lol ) | 12:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | le sigh | 12:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'll show myself out, shall I? :-P | 12:24 |
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| robcresswell | Bet you're glad you stayed up for this meeting now, ha | 12:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have some generalised regrets, yes | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | the bp is now on the M-3 milestones | 12:25 |
| doug-fish | r1chardj0n3s: you know, at least one of your patches does reference the blueprint | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | or just the one | 12:25 |
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| doug-fish | r1chardj0n3s: you're better behaved than you realize | 12:25 |
| doug-fish | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259231/ right? | 12:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, that's the next one in the list, but the subsequent patch loses the ref :/ | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: your theme-ability of LI seems conspicuously absent from the list as well | 12:27 |
| * robcresswell ducks | 12:27 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | HA! | 12:27 |
| robcresswell | I'll put up a bp and target it then | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | or a bug? | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | you don't even have a bp? | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | Oh yeah I've tagged it to a bug | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | ok, leave it as a bug | 12:28 |
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| robcresswell | No I didn't blueprint it. Broken theming seemed like a bug rather than a feature. Up to you how you want to handle it. | 12:29 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | smells like a bug to me | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | your bug does not target m-3 either | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1538491 ? | 12:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538491 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Angular Launch Instance should use adhere to Horizon theming standards" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell) | 12:30 |
| * david-lyle thinks it was easier when it was all in launchpad and not random sources | 12:30 | |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, have you booked our CSS Guru in advance ;)? | 12:32 |
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| robcresswell | She's had a look over the patch once | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | patch isn't linked to bug? | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | The Closes-Bug is on there, but no it hasn't linked for some reason. | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | I've left a comment on the bug report. | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | great, maybe posted during a gerrit snafu period | 12:35 |
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| tsufiev | did I get it right that the general consensus is to enable Angular LI in M by default? | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I think that was the call | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | It seems so. I'd like to toggle it and see how it goes over the RC period. | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | ok, good to know :) | 12:39 |
| doug-fish | integration tests? | 12:39 |
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| doug-fish | won't those break? | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | Its trivial to swap back if we find a blocking issue or instability. | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | doug-fish, they'll certainly will if we don't disable test for an old LI | 12:40 |
| tsufiev | that's not very good, because we still don't have tests for Angular LI | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | operators will have the option of using old for now, although when we make it default, we should probably mark the old as deprecating | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | or at least frozen | 12:40 |
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| tsufiev | doug-fish, I think we need to rethink our priorities in new tests writing in case Angular LI is going to become a default | 12:41 |
| tsufiev | also... does it make sense to run tests for both LI at gate? | 12:41 |
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| doug-fish | if we can test the new one (and not the old) I'd be satisfied ... though running both might be better | 12:42 |
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| doug-fish | tsufiev: do you have a vision for how to do that? | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | doug-fish, enable both buttons in devstack | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | it's just a settings override | 12:42 |
| doug-fish | oh for tests, right? there are separate settings | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | I was thinking both buttons would be enabled for users have a default install | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | devstack users | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | if anyone actually does that. | 12:43 |
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| robcresswell | There's just a settings toggle right now to swap between them | 12:44 |
| robcresswell | So you could just do that for the integration tests | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I think we're lined up for M-3 | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | #topic summit | 12:46 |
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| david-lyle | we've been asked for a summit session allocation request | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | how many fishbowl, working sessions, meetups we want | 12:47 |
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| mrunge | same as in Tokyo? | 12:48 |
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| david-lyle | I think we were stretching to fill two fishbowls last time | 12:48 |
| mrunge | maybe a working session less? | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | also we didn't use the second half day of meetup in Tokyo | 12:48 |
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| david-lyle | part of the context is there are 11 more projects needing space too | 12:49 |
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| david-lyle | I'm tempted to go 1,7,1 on the allocation | 12:49 |
| doug-fish | I think it feels offhand like we have fewer topics to cover than we did in Tokyo | 12:49 |
| mrunge | rught | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | we were 2,8,2 in Tokyo | 12:50 |
| mrunge | uhm, right | 12:50 |
| robcresswell | In Tokyo it was 2,8,2, so I think 1,7,1 is reasonable. | 12:50 |
| doug-fish | yeah that sounds good to me | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | one learning from the summits is you can always find space to talk about something that needs to be talked about | 12:51 |
| doug-fish | that is to say, there are plenty of bars in Austin | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | so if we find ourselves short on room times, we can make something up | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | I would also like some flexibility to attend other projects' sessions | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | we've lost that in the recent past | 12:52 |
| mrunge | yes! | 12:52 |
| mrunge | do we have to ability to opt on time-slots? | 12:52 |
| tsufiev | speaking of integrations and new LI... sorry, was distracted by a parallel meeting | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: very little | 12:53 |
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| tsufiev | so, the setting is in settings/local_settings.py, but as doug-fish pointed, integration tests cannot override it as unit-tests do | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | key speaker conflict and project conflict/overlap are about the only reasons | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | too hard otherwise | 12:54 |
| doug-fish | tsufiev: actually I'd amend that - they don't today, but they could have their own settings file | 12:54 |
| doug-fish | just update tox.ini | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | anyone have a problem with 1,7,1 ? | 12:54 |
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| betherly | not me | 12:55 |
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| robcresswell | Sounds good to me david-lyle | 12:55 |
| doug-fish | +2 | 12:55 |
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| mrunge | ack | 12:55 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | ok, will pass on, thanks | 12:55 |
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| tsufiev | doug-fish, that essentially means that horizon settings.py should import integration tests settings somehow | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 12:56 |
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| tsufiev | (when it's in DEBUG/SOME_NEW_TESTING mode) | 12:56 |
| tsufiev | that seems totally doable to me | 12:56 |
| doug-fish | for the unit tests we have a parallel settings.py, right? | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I would like to thank all who could attend the midcycle sprint. Overall I felt it was very productive. The items discussed can be found: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-midcycle and the accompanying notes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities-notes | 12:57 |
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| tsufiev | yes | 12:57 |
| doug-fish | that replaces (and hopefully imports) our normal default one | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | we had 13 people from 4 countries attending | 12:57 |
| tsufiev | doug-fish, the tricky part here is that no new django server is being launched by integration tests themselves | 12:58 |
| doug-fish | oh. that. | 12:58 |
| doug-fish | hmm. | 12:58 |
| tsufiev | they just run against the Horizon under Apache running in a Devstack | 12:58 |
| doug-fish | right ... that's a problem. | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: file change, apache restart? | 12:59 |
| doug-fish | now I'm less sure how to have separate settings for integration test | 12:59 |
| tsufiev | so... import test_settings approach seems more feasible to me... | 12:59 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, yeah, this could be done as well just before running tests. Would include some sed black magic :/ | 12:59 |
| tsufiev | but is still possible | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: yeah it won't be pretty | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | or we just disable old LI test | 13:00 |
| tsufiev | hm... | 13:00 |
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| david-lyle | based on setting | 13:00 |
| tsufiev | this way we won't know if we broke it | 13:00 |
| tsufiev | one day | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | time - we should continue in #openstack-horizon | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | :) | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 13:01:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-02-12.00.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-02-12.00.txt | 13:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-02-12.00.log.html | 13:01 |
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| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 13:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:01 |
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| alexpilotti | morning everybody! | 13:01 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:01 |
| abalutoiu | Hi | 13:01 |
| itoader | Hi | 13:01 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: anybody else on HP side? | 13:02 |
| atuvenie | hi | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: you had some questions for FreeRDP, would you like to start with that? | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam_ | hi... back again | 13:03 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | yes alexpilotti: | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam_ | should we discuss that | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam_ | now ? | 13:04 |
| alexpilotti | #topic #FreeRDP-WebConnect | 13:04 |
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| alexpilotti | yes | 13:04 |
| alexpilotti | :) | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam_ | in nova.conf, we specify the FreeRDP IP | 13:04 |
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| alexpilotti | the url | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and that IP is sent by nova, which horizon uses to connect to RDP Console | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam_ | am i right ? | 13:05 |
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| alexpilotti | yes, exactly like libvirt does with novnc | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam_ | now let us assume that freerdp is installed on the HyperV host where nova compute runs | 13:05 |
| alexpilotti | it's very much the same, we wanted to keep the same identical experience | 13:06 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | and we have multiple networks in the environment | 13:06 |
| claudiub | o/ | 13:06 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | tenant users access the horizon on "USER-NET" | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam_ | the user network | 13:06 |
| lpetrut | Hi guys | 13:06 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | and compute to controller commication is on a network "MGMT-NET" | 13:07 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | in this case how will FreeRDP work | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we dont want to have "USER-NET" configured on HyerV host due to security reasons | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam_ | so when horizon requests for the console | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam_ | how will it work ? | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | the you have two options: 1) a proxy, 2) putting freerdp-webconnect on a different host | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | how do you do it today for novnc on the libirt case? | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam_ | need to check | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam_ | have not used novnc yet on libvirt | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam_ | for sometime now | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | your deployment will be mostly mixed, e.g. KVM + hyper-v? | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam_ | yes | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam_ | kvm_hyperv | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam_ | kmv + hyperv | 13:10 |
| alexpilotti | then I'd recommend a unified design, so that you dont need different architectural choices for novnc and freerdp | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam_ | need to check on novnc, as of now dont have much details | 13:11 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | will check and get back if i need more clarity on FreeRDP | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam_ | most of the hyperv deployments | 13:12 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | what is the recommended approach ? | 13:12 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: sounds good, let us know! | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam_ | having FreeRDP on compute or on a different machine | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | as we already discussed, it depends on your design, hyperconverged or not plus security implications | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:13 |
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| alexpilotti | exposing a service on a compute node directly to the user network is not a great idea, but a reverse proxy can fix that | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam_ | agree | 13:14 |
| alexpilotti | on the other side, putting freerdp on a separate cluster of nodes requires additional complexity | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam_ | hence i was thinking of a separate machine for FreeRDP | 13:14 |
| alexpilotti | how do you scale horizon today? | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i was thinking of having 3 machines | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam_ | all in a NLB cluster | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and then give that cluster IP in nova.conf | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | in that way all freerdp requests will go to NLB cluster IP | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | one of the options could even be to put freerdp on the horizon nodes | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and it gets load balanced | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | putting freerdp on horizon nodes is a good idea | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | only issue, no debian for it is availanle | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we only have windows MSI | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | we dont have support for debian atm, but it can be added, of course | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam_ | if a deb was available, we would have used it | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam_ | that would be great.... if it happens | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we will use it, as and when it is available | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam_ | do you any plans for it ? | 13:17 |
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| alexpilotti | it's on the pipeline, but with a very low priority | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam_ | let us know when it is available | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we can use it, test and let you know how it works | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | sure! | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | tx | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam_ | thanks | 13:19 |
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| alexpilotti | do you have any other questions on freerdp? | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam_ | in the meanwhile i will check on how novnc works in our case | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam_ | else use another VM | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i am done on FreeRDP | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | sonu: you have anythuing ? | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | looks like sonu and vinod are not in the meeting | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: we can move to next topic | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Hyper-V clustering | 13:21 |
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| alexpilotti | patches are pretty much ready | 13:21 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | we're going to start backporting to compute-hyperv pretty soon | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam_ | backporting ? | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam_ | to liberty ? | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam_ | or just merging in mitaka | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | so if you guys want to backport on your Liberty branch, times are pretty much ripe | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam_ | you mean cluster driver has been backported in liberty already ? | 13:23 |
| claudiub | i think alexpilotti meant to say "include"it in compute-hyperv, mitaka | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | adding to compute-hyperv, not backporting, wrong verb in this case | 13:23 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | in compute-hyperv ? | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | yeah of course | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:23 |
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| alexpilotti | as usual, patches are available upstream in Nova, for eventual merging | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam_ | so it will be merged in compute-hyperv mitaka branch | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | and in the meantime we add in compute-hyperv | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | yes, like everything else | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | hopefully one day our nephews will see those patches merged in Nova | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | :) | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam_ | as mentioned in last IRC, we are still on liberty, we can test it when we move t Mitaka | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | do you have any deadline for Mitaka? | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam_ | however if you decide to backport to liberty, kmb: has setup a cluster today | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we can start from next week | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam_ | not sure of Mitaka | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i think couple of months | 13:25 |
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| alexpilotti | in our case backporting would still mean compute-hyperv (kilo, liberty) | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | we dont backport to Nova, as we don't use it | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam_ | yes, we can try picking from the compute-hyperv n libety | 13:26 |
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| alexpilotti | we'll let you know of course if / when we will backport that patchset | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam_ | sure | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | that depends a lot on customer demand | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam_ | my team mate kmb: has setup the cluster today | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | ok, moving on | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam_ | sure | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | unless there are other questions on this topic of course | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam_ | no questiosn from my end | 13:28 |
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| alexpilotti | cool | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | #topic networking | 13:29 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: anything to add on recent improvements? | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | nope. just adding os-win in networking-hyperv. making sure things work properly. | 13:29 |
| claudiub | hyper-v ci says (s)he's happy for now. | 13:30 |
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| claudiub | that's all from me, if anyone else has anything else to add on this topic, go ahead | 13:31 |
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| claudiub | k, next topic? :) | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: are you still doing perf testing? | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i was speaking to sonu: yesterday | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam_ | on this topic | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: all utils in networking-hyperv are in os-win, correct? | 13:32 |
| claudiub | alexpilotti: yep. | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i think it is being planned again after few weeks | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam_ | but sure of the plan | 13:33 |
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| alexpilotti | so sagar_nikam_ on our end networking-hyperv is ready for mitaka | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam_ | it all depends on getting a slot for perf testing | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | if you guys have anything else in mind we'd be happy to address that | 13:33 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | i think sonu has some question on ovs2.6 in the last meeting | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | ok, I dont see him online today | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam_ | yes | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | but is he done w it? | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam_ | both he and vinod seem to be away | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam_ | lets chat on this topic again next week | 13:35 |
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| alexpilotti | ok sure, we can move on I think then | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam_ | yes | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | #topic mitaka release | 13:35 |
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| alexpilotti | we're going to wrap up as soon as M3 is out | 13:35 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:36 |
| alexpilotti | and dedicate as usual the period between that and release to do tons of integration testing | 13:36 |
| alexpilotti | in all possible supported configurations | 13:36 |
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| alexpilotti | for both the Nova hyper-v anc Cinder SMB scenarios | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:37 |
| alexpilotti | which also includes testing on Python3 | 13:37 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | are we done with pyMI ? all things merged ? | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam_ | any patches pending ? | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | Pymy reached 1.0.0, signed release | 13:39 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:39 |
| alexpilotti | and it has been included in OpenStack's global-requirements | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam_ | that's good | 13:39 |
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| alexpilotti | no pending issues | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:40 |
| alexpilotti | we're going to add some more MI API coverage, but that's not needed for Nova, etc | 13:40 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:40 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Shielded VMs | 13:41 |
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| alexpilotti | things are getting ready there as well, but we might wait some time before releasing to ensure that the Hyper-V API are stable | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | since this is based on 2016 prerelease | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | just wanted to mention it here, to keep the community up to date | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | ok that was my last topic | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | #topic open discussion | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | anything that anybody would like to add before wrapping up? | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam_ | nothing as of now from my end | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | ok, thanks everybody for joining today's meeting! | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 13:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 13:44:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-02-13.01.html | 13:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-02-13.01.txt | 13:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-02-13.01.log.html | 13:44 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
| bmotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hello | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | It is a little light right now. | 15:01 |
| slogan_r | morning | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday March 2, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Preperation for Austin Summit | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.java tempest tests / hibernate support | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.influxdb 0.10? | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | So, I would like to discuss the Austin Summit and prep for that | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | There is a request from the TC for rooms | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | room requests that is | 15:02 |
| slogan_r | TC? | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | TC = Technical Committee | 15:02 |
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| slogan_r | ah | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | So, I would like to get back to them on room requests | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | How many folks are planning on being there? | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | And what topics would like to be discussed | 15:03 |
| witek | me | 15:03 |
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| bklei | me | 15:03 |
| rbak | I'll be there | 15:03 |
| bmotz | I'll be there if our talk gets approved :) | 15:04 |
| slogan_r | I should be there showing off the broadview stuff if that is sothing we could use a room for, then ok | 15:04 |
| slogan_r | s/sothing/something | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i was hoping to discuss anomaly detection and clustering more in-depth, but i'm not sure about attendance | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | how about two room slots | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | somewhere on the order of 2-3 hours | 15:05 |
| witek | +1 for clustering | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | we can do general planning | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | presentations | 15:05 |
| slogan_r | so, even if we don't get an approval for a talk, we can do the same in a room? | 15:06 |
| witek | grafana? | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | yes, we can have a presentation/demo to the team Monasca team | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | on broadview lib and discussion on monitoring physical and vswitches | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | that is a topic i'm interested in | 15:07 |
| slogan_r | perfect | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | but, it won't be a big audience presentation, unless i request a big room | 15:07 |
| witek | how about joint sessions with congress or vitrage? | 15:07 |
| slogan_r | better than nothing | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | Here are the options | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | * Fishbowl slots (Wed-Thu) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | Our traditional largish rooms organized in fishbowl style, with | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | advertised session content on the summit schedule for increased external | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | participation. Ideal for when wider feedback is essential. | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | * Workroom slots (Tue-Thu) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | Smaller rooms organized in boardroom style, with topic buried in the | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | session description, in an effort to limit attendance and not overcrowd | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | the room. Ideal to get work done and prioritize work in small teams. | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | * Contributors meetup (Fri) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | Half-day session(s) on the Friday to get into the Newton action while | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | decisions and plans are still hot, or to finish discussions started | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | during the week, whatever works for you. | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | I'm not sure about the Fishbowl slot | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | but if we could get a Fishbowl slot, then that opens the door for presenting to a larger audience | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i guess | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | Grafana would be a possiblity too | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | Logging | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | ... | 15:09 |
| witek | sure | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | I think anything that didn't get in would possibly be an option for a fishbowl | 15:09 |
| slogan_r | I'm guessing our marketing peeps would love the added messaging that goes with the fishbowl | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | if i understand | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | they would | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | but, i tend to ignore marketing | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:10 |
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| slogan_r | I won't pass that one along :-P | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | don't worry, i'm already in trouble | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | with that crew | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'll get 2-3 hours, with the possiblity for a fishbowl | 15:11 |
| slogan_r | whatever you think is best, we'll be there | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | there is always the option for lot's of impromptu discussions | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | but if you want to drive something more formal around the topic of virtual/physical switch montioring that could powwibly fill an entire slot | 15:12 |
| slogan_r | when do they announce who made it as a presentation? | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | Shoudl be real soon, but i don't know the offical date | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | Early March was what I read | 15:13 |
| slogan_r | that would be the determination I think the need of a fishbowl | 15:13 |
| slogan_r | yeah, that's what I heard too | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, i agree | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | Next topic? | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | This is a leftover from last week | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | #topic ava tempest tests / hibernate support | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm guessing witek? | 15:14 |
| witek | I'm working on synchronizing hibernate implementation in monasca-api | 15:14 |
| witek | and thought of creating the new tempest gate for hibernate | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | That would be awesome | 15:14 |
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| witek | cool, I will push the change when ready | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | So, today we test Java and Python MySQL | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | Java tests are non-voting, and there are a few failures still | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | So, after you are done, we woudl have Java MySQL and Hibernate too | 15:15 |
| witek | that was my idea | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | What about Python SQLAlchemy and MySQL? | 15:16 |
| witek | do we want to support pure mysql in python? | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | Not really | 15:17 |
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| witek | the new orm change in python changed the config, so sqla is already being tested | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | Is it the default for CU | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | CI | 15:18 |
| witek | yes | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | I need to pay more attention | 15:18 |
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| witek | next topic? | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | OK, then as long as the SQLA is good, then after a few weeks or months, we can probably remove the MySQL | 15:20 |
| Kamil | +1 | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | #topic influxdb 0.10 | 15:20 |
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| witek | just wanted to ask if anyone tried it out? | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | we are starting too | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | have you tried it out | 15:20 |
| witek | no :( | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | we know it works | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | we haven't done any performance analysis | 15:21 |
| Christian_ | also in cluster mode? | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | we have looked at stability | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | yes, in a three node cluster | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | so far, stability looks good with our limited testing which involves taking down one of the nodes | 15:22 |
| witek | cool, promising? | 15:22 |
| Christian_ | HA? | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | and then rejoining it back to the cluster | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | yes, HA testing | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | We will hopefully have some more analysis in a couple of weeks | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | Next topic? | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284252/ | 15:24 |
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| bklei | that's me | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | way to stay alert | 15:24 |
| bklei | i think that guys is ready to go unless someone objects? | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:25 |
| bklei | :) | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | OK | 15:25 |
| bklei | I'd really like to get him merged -- and then could we publish monasca-notification to pypi and tag? | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | I already +1'd, but then I took it back | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | but, looks like i merge | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | sure, i can get a new tag applied | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | i'm getting good at that | 15:26 |
| bklei | bueno -- we'll pull it in as soon as that happens :) | 15:26 |
| bklei | thx rhochmuth and the others who reviewed it | 15:27 |
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| slogan_r | that change looks ok to me | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | Are there more topics? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | review? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | reviews? | 15:28 |
| bklei | that was my only one, thx | 15:28 |
| slogan_r | how is the devstack implementation in monasca api viewed? | 15:28 |
| bklei | with great admiration | 15:28 |
| slogan_r | I'm probably going to file some bugs given my experiences | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i think the overall view is that we would like to move away from monasca-vagrant to the DevStack env | 15:29 |
| slogan_r | I moved away already :-) | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | There are some things that need to happen to the DevStack env for everyone to do that | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | The DevStack env doesnt' support Vertica | 15:29 |
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| slogan_r | devstack in general, or our scripts? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | The monasca devstack plugin | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i lost track of the monasca horizon and grafana integrating in the DevStack plugin | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, that might need some work | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | From witek, support for Hibernate in the Java API | 15:31 |
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| slogan_r | I'll at least see about filing some bugs I ran into just using it in general, possibly patches to fix them | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | thx | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | please file bugs | 15:32 |
| bmotz | having just looked at that review, I think there may be an issue... | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | I should mention that the monasca-vagrnat environemtn was updated this week | 15:32 |
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| bmotz | I'll add a comment | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll hold off merging | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | So, there were a few points mentioned last week about the moansca-vagrant environment | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Horizon want' working, Grafana wasn't working, and a couple of others | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | Those are all resolved | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | The environment has also been updated with a new DevStack vm | 15:34 |
| witek | thanks Roland! | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | So, prior to doing "vagrant up" in the monasca-vagrant env, do vagrant box update | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | a new devstack image will get pulled down | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | then vagrant up | 15:34 |
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| Kamil | About global/local dimensions in logs? Do we want to merge or replace? At the end we will need to check each local-dimension anyway. | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | i think a merge is preferred, if performance isn't an issue | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | what are your thoughts? | 15:36 |
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| tsv | copy and merge, to avoid checking if the fields are same - correct ? | 15:37 |
| Kamil | i think merging is the most useful case. But as you mentioned, it could be a performance issue | 15:37 |
| bmotz | (I've added a comment on https://review.openstack.org/284252) | 15:38 |
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| witek | merge here: add the new ones, replace existing ones | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | tsv or Kamil, can you do a quick check on perf | 15:38 |
| witek | like python update() | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like merge is what everyone prefers | 15:38 |
| tsv | rhochmuth, sure, based on bmotz's latest comment on the review, i see this has to be a copy of the global dims and merge local dims into it | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | right | 15:39 |
| Kamil | or we discard the global dimensions | 15:39 |
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| Kamil | but then we will need more time to validate all local-dimensions | 15:40 |
| tsv | kamil, i was thinking we need to validate the local dimensions anyway. no ? | 15:41 |
| Kamil | yes, but if you have global dimensions, then you need to check them only once | 15:42 |
| tsv | ah, true | 15:42 |
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| Kamil | Okay. Let us try to do the merge and check the performance? | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:42 |
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| tsv | +1 | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | witek, have your and your team started working on the non-periodid alarms blueprint? | 15:43 |
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| witek | not yet :( | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | on a related topic, we might be adding support for periodic notifications to better support Heat | 15:44 |
| witek | but still high prio | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | looking forward to that | 15:44 |
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| witek | but 'period' field stays as agreed? | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | yes, these are two separate discussions | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | there are non-periodic/periodic alarms | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | there are also periodic notifications | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | periodic notifications woudl be notficiations that are sent periodicially, even though the state hasn't changed | 15:46 |
| witek | get it | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | currently, notifications are one-shot | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | fire and forget once | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | bklei, about that bug yesterday | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | is there a plan on this | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | would be nice to get the old method in, with the fix for limits, i agree | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | are you/twc looking into this or rbrandt | 15:47 |
| bklei | yes -- after i get that notification change in i'll push a patch with the reduction of inner joins, but fixed for limits | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | awesome | 15:48 |
| bklei | it's broken right now in master -- yes, i'll fix | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:48 |
| bklei | np, should be today or tomorrow | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | so, is there a good test that can be written to catch this? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | Tempest test? | 15:48 |
| bklei | probably -- will look at it. i think any grafana graph that does a metrics list then stats call would hit it | 15:49 |
| bklei | the default monasca one does | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:49 |
| bklei | any update on your side for the multiple metrics in one call? | 15:49 |
| bklei | sounded like you might be interested in that change for opsconsole? | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i'm starting to think about it again | 15:50 |
| bklei | cool, looking forward to thinking converting to code :) | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll get to looking at it today, unless i get scheduled in for a pile of meetings | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | well, we are winding down | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | anymore topics | 15:52 |
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| jobrs | dimensions again | 15:52 |
| jobrs | I came across this change: https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/commit/51b4f9b221099a29357970b1fa6a7267a1445a03 | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | did that impact you | 15:53 |
| jobrs | in combination with the changed override behavior, yes | 15:54 |
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| jobrs | maybe you remember the discussion whether mysql is a "component" or a "service". with the change many plugins report component and service with the same value. | 15:55 |
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| jobrs | does it make sense? | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:55 |
| jobrs | my assumption was "service" means openstack-service, not microservice | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | bug component should really be mysqld, the process name | 15:56 |
| jobrs | https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/commit/3a08640e06af468feeeafcd48e1caec1b1f2f88b | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | the shared service could be mysql | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | the component could be mysqld, or whatever else runs when mysql runs | 15:56 |
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| rhochmuth | in some databases there are multiple components/processes | 15:56 |
| jobrs | that change caused plugins to override user settings for the service dimension | 15:56 |
| jobrs | we have service, component and process | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | so, do we need a condition to control the bahaviour | 15:57 |
| jobrs | I believe service is good for openstack services, component for components and technical services (like apache, mysql) | 15:57 |
| jobrs | and finally process to the processes | 15:57 |
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| Kamil | but it also makes an merge, right? "new_dimensions.update(dimensions.copy())" | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | correct | 15:58 |
| Kamil | but not in the api. It happens in the agent | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | it is a merge | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | and it is in the agent | 15:58 |
| jobrs | Kamil, yes but with the latest change the override over has changed. | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | jobrs: we are out of time | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | can we cover this next week, or is this urgent | 15:59 |
| Kamil | yes i see | 15:59 |
| jobrs | together with more plugins setting the service themselves makes service unusable to group components belonging to the same openstack service | 15:59 |
| jobrs | not urgent, we have our own fork. | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | let's talk next week on that topic | 16:00 |
| Kamil | bye | 16:00 |
| jobrs | bye, thanks | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bye everyone | 16:00 |
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| shinya_kwbt | bye | 16:00 |
| bklei | cya | 16:00 |
| tgraichen | bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 16:00:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-02-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| witek | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-02-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-02-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dwalleck | o/ | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| purp | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute markvoelker | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.14 | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! please review the agenda | 16:01 |
| catherineD|2 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #topic Feedback from running DefCore tests in CI | 16:02 |
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| eglute | dwalleck, the floor is yours! | 16:02 |
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| leecalcote | o/ | 16:02 |
| dwalleck | eglute: Thanks! | 16:02 |
| dwalleck | So I've been working with folks inside Rackspace for awhile now on continuous DefCore testing. It's been....fun :) | 16:03 |
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| dwalleck | But there were some common themes that have come up that might be of value to a larger audience | 16:03 |
| gema | o/ | 16:04 |
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| dwalleck | The majority of the feedback was in some way centered on Tempest results | 16:04 |
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| dwalleck | People really, really don't like that when you run the subset of DefCore tests, that the pass/fail numbers don't add up to the total of tests to be run for DefCore | 16:05 |
| purp | dwalleck: why? | 16:06 |
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| brunssen | o/ | 16:06 |
| gema | because of the tempest.conf | 16:06 |
| gema | you can configure tests out | 16:06 |
| dwalleck | purp: If there's a failure in a test fixture, that counts as one failure rather than the number of tests to be run in the class | 16:06 |
| purp | dwalleck: ... thus the numbers don't sum, leaving you feeling empty and cold. Got it. | 16:07 |
| SammyD | purp: Exactyl | 16:07 |
| eglute | that does sound like a lot of fun... | 16:07 |
| dwalleck | So after some manual auditing, we wrote a quick additional subunit parser to check the list of tests executed against the one used to run the tests | 16:08 |
| dwalleck | https://github.com/arithx/subunit_verify | 16:08 |
| dwalleck | This is a hack, but it gave people warm fuzzies :) | 16:08 |
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| hogepodge | dwalleck: we have room in the defcore repository for tools like that | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | #link https://github.com/arithx/subunit_verify parser to check the list of tests executed against the one used to run the tests | 16:08 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: That would be great! | 16:09 |
| SammyD | +1 hodgepodge | 16:09 |
| catherineD|2 | dwalleck: DefCore pass/fail shoukd be checked against the DefCore test list and not from pass/fail based on subunit file. | 16:09 |
| dwalleck | I also know that if I had product teams push their results to RefStack, alot of that would be sorted out. However, having a dozen product teams sending results to RefStack would be a challenge to understand | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | My opinion is that the repository can house tools to make testing life easier. The defcore chairs have the final say on what goes, though. refstack may be a more appropriate place for some tools also. | 16:10 |
| dwalleck | I had never thought about how to use RefStack properly if you have multiple entities from one provider trying to use it all at once | 16:11 |
| eglute | i am ok with having additional tools! | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | dwalleck: you might be pleased to note that the RefStack folks have thought about that. =) There are some specs out for review on vendor/product relationships that catherineD can probably point you to. | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: Totally agree. I figured the "where" could be sorted out as long as the "why" made sense | 16:11 |
| SammyD | A tools repo to improve life is a great start. Over time, key functionality from random tools should be migrated into RefStack or a similar all in one client though. :-) | 16:12 |
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| SammyD | ^re-useable not reliable | 16:12 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 16:12 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: That's good to hear :) I'll have to ping catherineD|2 next week with some of the specifics | 16:13 |
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| dwalleck | The last bit of feedback, bluntly, is that people just don't seem to understand Tempest test failures, i.e. what part of capability is actually broken when a test fails | 16:14 |
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| dwalleck | This has given me gray hairs over the last 6 months :) | 16:14 |
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| eglute | i thought you said it was fun? :) | 16:15 |
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| dwalleck | To give you an example, our public cloud has a number of failures due to certain extra properties being returned in API responses | 16:15 |
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| purp | Maybe dwalleck is aiming for Silver Fox look, so the grey hairs are fun? | 16:15 |
| rockyg | fun like being in the middle of a hurricane... | 16:15 |
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| eglute | so given this feedback, what do you think the solution would be? use the tool you worked on for people that want warm fuzzies? | 16:15 |
| dwalleck | This causes a large number of test failures, but all with the same root cause. I had to write some aggregator tooling for results so that people didn't think the sky was falling :) | 16:16 |
| eglute | also, anyone else testing regularly have similar (or different) feedback? | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | Sounds like maybe you'd also like to see some improvements to the test failure messages ("test failed because stuff I don't know about was detected in the JSON respnonse")? | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | But even with that, I had a hard time explaining that the entire capability (create server, etc) was not broken, but just an aspect of it | 16:17 |
| SammyD | mvoelker: Exactly. That would be a place to start | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | Part of what I'm seeing is that the Tempest tests as-is are not quite atomic enough. It would be nice if a failure was self-explanitory | 16:17 |
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| catherineD|2 | dwalleck: Failure due to extra info response is the purpose if interops test right? | 16:18 |
| gema | extra info won't necessarily break people's apps, lack of info would | 16:18 |
| SammyD | I could debate that. Failure is fine. Failure shoudl be explicit though | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | catherineD|2: yes, according to the test authors/TC | 16:18 |
| SammyD | gema: +1 | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | catherineD|2: True, but me delivering a result to a product manager saying "the create capability is broken" isn't specific enough, and causes panic | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | catherineD|2: but I think the larger point was that it was difficult to tell that that's why the test failed | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | And is misleading because the functionality of the capability worked | 16:19 |
| purp | dwalleck I think that's the key | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | I don't disagree that it should be a failure. I would argue that we could make aspects of it more atomic | 16:20 |
| catherineD|2 | agree that debugging on failure is not easy | 16:20 |
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| purp | I'd say that a test which fails due to extra info in a response is either too fragile or should fail because it's specifically testing to prove the info isn't there. | 16:20 |
| * purp is contrary | 16:20 | |
| gema | purp: +1 | 16:20 |
| SammyD | purp: my point as well | 16:20 |
| SammyD | part of what dwalleck is talking about when he says the tests need to be more atomic. :-) | 16:21 |
| purp | Either you're specifically testing to see that the info is excluded, or your test is too fragile and breaking for poor reasons. | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | purp: The challenge is that the response checking is built into the Tempest clients, and therefore into every test as an implicit check | 16:21 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Tempest was not designed to return info on option by option basis | 16:21 |
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| SammyD | ^what dwalleck just said | 16:21 |
| eglute | hogepodge what have you been hearing from people that are testing/certifying? | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | An explicit check for response conformity, etc, would be much easier to understand | 16:21 |
| SammyD | in current implementation *any* test will fail if there are extra params in the repsonse, regardless of whether or not the functionality actually works | 16:21 |
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| dwalleck | eglute: ++. I'm really interested to hear if others have had similar thoughts | 16:22 |
| purp | Okay, so sadly, then, I'd say the Tempest parser is either too strict for purpose (not reflective of real world) or we're expecting to enforce a response interface that is not allowed to include any extra info. | 16:22 |
| purp | I'd view the latter as a poor design choice. | 16:22 |
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| eglute | +1 | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | Configuration is always a problem. Pointing to the official tempest configuration guide solves a lot of problems. | 16:22 |
| SammyD | +1 purp | 16:22 |
| rockyg | Part of the problem is that there is no "standards" for writing api tests (or any others) for that matter, other than it tests something the devs care about. | 16:22 |
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| markvoelker | purp: SammyD: Yeah, that's the explicit intent of the authors. I can point you to the discussion on this a few months ago when that change was made to Tempest, but let's do that offline so as not to distract from the larger point: atomicity and better failure messages | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | Usually vendors get permanently stuck when they've made downstream modifications or are backing their block storage with ceph. | 16:23 |
| SammyD | mvoelker: agreed, thanks. :-) | 16:23 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: But what about interpreting results? Have you had much feedback in that area? | 16:23 |
| rockyg | So, unless/until there are more standards as to what comprises the test, or how the test should respond/report, we'll see this crop up. | 16:23 |
| purp | markvoelker: before we offline, want to understand. I believe you just said that strict parsing is an intentional design choice. | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | They get confused about what needs to be run. Oftentimes I'll get support tickets on required but flagged tests (the terminology is not helpful) | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | purp: correct. A decision was made that adding extra data to API repsonses is no bueno and that vendors should not change the API. | 16:24 |
| dwalleck | I didn't mean to soapbox this long, but I was hoping this would be helpful feedback :) I'll be in Austin next week and I can show the specifics and some of the other tooling I've put together | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | when fixtures fail, it's usually trackable to common problems | 16:25 |
| purp | markvoelker: I'm sad to hear that. Okay. | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | dwalleck: This is good feedback! Would you consider writing up a short summary in the etherpad (or somewhere else) so we can refer back to it? | 16:25 |
| purp | eglute markvoelker: do we have a session for this in Austin? | 16:25 |
| rockyg | I can dig up the mail thread about that, given enough time. I can post to ML> | 16:25 |
| eglute | we have a session to talk about tests in general, yes | 16:25 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: Absolutely! I'll do that | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | purp: The API response thing? No, it was a decision made by nova-core IIRC. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | and/or other projects | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | Feedback is always good. We shouldn't consider the standard or our policies as inflexible (although as the person administering the program I do need to enforce the it) | 16:26 |
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| purp | markvoelker: Sorry, meant the tests and responses. | 16:26 |
| rockyg | Yeah. more strict validation of expected return info. | 16:27 |
| SammyD | mvoelker: I don't agree or disagree with the paramater checking, just that it is not explicit when it fails due to the way it is implemented. :-) | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | purp: Oh! Sort of. There's an hour on the tentative schedule to talk about the possibility that Tempest isn't meeting all our needs | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | that is to say, we learn from what we have and evolve the standards and guideline | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | SammyD: yep, I hear ya. =) | 16:28 |
| rockyg | SammyD: file a bug against the test? What was the response? | 16:28 |
| eglute | I propose that we move the rest of this discussion to the midcycle. Thanks dwalleck, would be great if you could do a write up, as markvoelker suggested | 16:28 |
| SammyD | rockyg: Couldn't file a bug against the test, there is no test for the API responses. It's a global default validation in the client. :-( | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | I think some of this dovetails into the topic we currently have at 2:30 on Day 2... | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle First pass at agenda for midcylce | 16:29 |
| rockyg | Ah. Yup. I feel your pain. | 16:29 |
| dwalleck | eglute: no problem, thanks! | 16:29 |
| eglute | right, lets talk about the midcycle | 16:29 |
| eglute | #topic midcycle | 16:29 |
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| rockyg | Huawei next cycle will hit same problem. | 16:29 |
| eglute | if you have not responded yet regarding your restaurant preferences, please do so today before 2PM CST: http://doodle.com/poll/x3n9yvdws9miyrck | 16:30 |
| eglute | Also, please take a look at the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:31 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker for preliminary schedule setup | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | So, regarding the agenda: | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | You'll notice it's pretty packed. =) I made a first pass at it including all the topics that were in the suggested topics list from the pad | 16:31 |
| purp | Would like to swap the 9:30a and 10a sessions on the first day. | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | But I think there are probably some candidates for pruning in there so we can free up more time for longer discussions | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | You'll notice a couple of themes for each day | 16:32 |
| eglute | right, i think the test discussion is strategic and we need to have it on day 1 | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Those are sort of arbitrary, just a way to bundle together related topics | 16:32 |
| eglute | and i am guessing it will take more than 1 hour | 16:32 |
| eglute | right, thanks markvoelker | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Egle and I were thinking of swapping the Outcomes and Tests sessions so we can tackle Tests on Day 1 | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | And also probably dropping the Publishing DefCore Information and Docs session since it really just seems like a to-do list item we can tackle in 5 minutes | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | Any objections to either of those things? | 16:34 |
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| eglute | works for me | 16:34 |
| gema | +1 | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to swap Outcomes and Tests sessions, drop Publishing session | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | Ok, any other items that look like targets for pruning? | 16:35 |
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| eglute | might need to move user feedback to the next day based on Edgar Magana's availability | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: I was just about to come to that and tackle purp's request in one fell swoop =) | 16:36 |
| eglute | :) | 16:37 |
| eglute | also, I am worried that some of these discussions will take longer than we have the time | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, before we get there: if anyone else has suggestions for stuff you don't think is urgent enough to warrant time at the midcycle, drop me a line and we'll discuss | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | So, purp: I actually originally had those swapped, but one of those sessions will have Edgar Magana from the User Committee joining us remotely from California (where it'll be pretty early) | 16:38 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: please allow time for RefStack discusssion (one hour) under Refstack demo | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | And actually we just heard from him that he'll need a later timeslot anyway, so stand by while we tinker with that some more | 16:38 |
| purp | markvoelker understood, and I think that session precedes any rational discussion of operating model | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | purp: Sure, I think we can work that out. | 16:39 |
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| eglute | i would like to move Scoring: Promoting Advisory Capabilities discussion to before actual scoring | 16:39 |
| purp | markvoelker cool. Otherwise, I'm happy to roll with whatever. | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | eglute: That's easily done, the scoring discussions can really be in almost any order unless they require remote attendance from anyone. | 16:40 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:40 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker Move Promoting Advisory Capabilities to earlier in the day | 16:40 |
| eglute | hogepodge are there any updates on the licensing changes? | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | eglute: I can check in again. It's with the lawyers and exec staff right now | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | #action markvoelker rework Value From DefCore session to accommodate remote attendee | 16:41 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge, we can always cover it during the regular meeting | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Any other shuffling folks are interested in after looking at the first pass? | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | If not, I'll rework the agenda with the feedback you've all given so far and send out an update to the ML this afternoon for further iteration | 16:43 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | One more big important thing.... | 16:43 |
| eglute | also, everyone, please note that the schedule starts at 8:30 rather than my original invite at 9:00 AM. does 8:30 work for everyone? | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | It was a little hard to tell who added some topics to the suggested topics list, so you'll notice that some of the sessions on the strawman agenda don't have a designated leader | 16:43 |
| purp | +1 eglute | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | If you added a topic to the list and want to lead it and are not listed as the leader in the agenda, please add yourself! | 16:44 |
| gema | +1 | 16:44 |
| rockyg | argh. I get in 1am that morning, but Ill make. | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | For those that don't pick up a leader, I'll either handle them myself or split them up with Egle. | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: +1 | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Regarding the 8:30 thing: please note that 8:30-9 is just introductions, agenda review, and coffee | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | So if you're a little late, that's probably not the end of the world | 16:45 |
| gema | nobody wants to be late for coffee with such an agenda | 16:45 |
| eglute | any other people have concerns about starting at 8:30 AM? i don't like mornings in general, but that's a different issue :D | 16:46 |
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| * markvoelker just subtly put brussen on the hook for making sure there is copious coffee, but he's a smart cookie and probably already thought of that | 16:46 | |
| eglute | :D | 16:46 |
| eglute | any other comments regarding midcycle planning? | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | eglute: two quick ones | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | We have an official dinner planned...anyone interested in informal dinner/drinks gatherings Monday evening or Wednesday evening (for those who get in early/leave later) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | IF so, please drop your name in the DefCoreRing.14 etherpad and if there's enough interest we'll try to coordinate | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | eglute: ok, done now. =) | 16:49 |
| dwalleck | I'm always down for drink....err food :) | 16:49 |
| eglute | #topic refstack | 16:49 |
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| purp | Heh. I have drinks plans in South Austin Monday, would welcome dinner. | 16:49 |
| eglute | catherineD|2, go ahead! | 16:49 |
| catherineD|2 | eglute: thx | 16:49 |
| eglute | purp -- put your name in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.14 line 38! | 16:50 |
| catherineD|2 | The first topic is about prevent uploading of duplicate test results to RefStack | 16:50 |
| catherineD|2 | #link RefStack bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1498159 | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498159 in refstack "refstack-client should help user to avoid test duplication" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to David Liu (lzbj) | 16:50 |
| catherineD|2 | it seems like the only way to ensure that duplicate test results are not uploaded to RefStack to enforce testing done with RefStack client and upload the result immediately after the test is done | 16:51 |
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| catherineD|2 | vs today ... test results can be uploaded afterward | 16:52 |
| eglute | i think it is ok that the tests can be updated later | 16:53 |
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| eglute | i prefer to have the flexibility | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | Hmm...wonder if this could be solved by computing a SHA on the test results + logs or something? | 16:53 |
| purp | And I wouldn't assume that they're always run from an internet-connected machine. | 16:53 |
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| * markvoelker is thinking out loud which is often dangerous | 16:53 | |
| purp | markvoelker: I was thinking UUID identifier in the beginning of test run | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | purp: ++ | 16:54 |
| catherineD|2 | eglute: since we allow test can be uploaded later we have no good ways to ensure that duplicate test results uploaded to RefStack | 16:54 |
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| * purp assumes ++ was for internet-connection-optional | 16:54 | |
| markvoelker | purp: that would have to be built into tempest though if we don't require that refstack-client be used, right? | 16:54 |
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| purp | markvoelker it would, but would help overall debuggability | 16:54 |
| purp | (if that's a word) | 16:54 |
| catherineD|2 | This is just one aspect of the bigger issues of test integrity | 16:55 |
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| purp | markvoelker catherineD|2 perhaps both: UUID for human readability, and a SHA on the upload to point out duplicates. | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | purp: Yeah, I was thinking a SHA on the results/logs gives a unique identifier that's independent of the test runner | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | E.g. you're essentially creating a unique identifier at the end rather than at the start | 16:55 |
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| rockyg | catherineD|2, ++ But, we've been operatibg ob trust since the beginning. | 16:56 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: purp: subunit file or RefStack JSON file is a text file ... it is easy to change | 16:56 |
| purp | markvoelker fair, and I think both would be useful. | 16:56 |
| purp | 4 min warning | 16:56 |
| * markvoelker glances at the clock and wonders if we should take the brainstorming over to #openstack-defcore so Catherine can talk about other stuff | 16:56 | |
| catherineD|2 | it the SHA is created at refstack-client ... the "malicious" user can really recreated the SHA | 16:56 |
| catherineD|2 | I think this can be a topic at the midcyle | 16:57 |
| eglute | thanks catherineD|2! | 16:57 |
| catherineD|2 | next move on to the second topic of RefStack | 16:57 |
| eglute | i will be in the defcore irc after this as well | 16:57 |
| rockyg | So, from my perspective, we shouldn't worry too much with what tempest is as the moment and work to build in better accountability through enhancing/adding checks to tempest in future. | 16:57 |
| catherineD|2 | RefStack vendor registration question in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-February/001035.html | 16:58 |
| eglute | we are out of time... if you can stay a bit longer, please move to the #openstack-defcore | 16:58 |
| eglute | thanks everyone, see you next week! | 16:58 |
| catherineD|2 | hogepodge: do we allow "Vendors registering with RefStack not being in OpenStack MarketPlace" | 16:58 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 16:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-02-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-02-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-02-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 17:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| doffm | \o/ | 17:00 |
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| alaski | bauzas: ping | 17:00 |
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| bauzas | pong | 17:00 |
| bauzas | alaski: thanks | 17:00 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | np | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Cells testing | 17:00 |
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| belmoreira | o/ | 17:00 |
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| * johnthetubaguy kinda lurks | 17:01 | |
| alaski | I haven't heard about anything in this area | 17:01 |
| alaski | if nobody is aware of anything we'll move on | 17:01 |
| mriedem | haven't heard of anything | 17:01 |
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| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:01 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:01 |
| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking as always | 17:01 |
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| alaski | I think today is the last day for M | 17:02 |
| bauzas | so what's critical for Mitaka ? | 17:02 |
| alaski | so if things aren't ready to go they'll be deferred | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am wondering what we should should try get into mitaka... | 17:02 |
| bauzas | I nearly loosed focus | 17:02 |
| bauzas | lost* | 17:02 |
| bauzas | (oh man) | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking it would be good to include this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263925 | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | although its not critical | 17:02 |
| alaski | I would love to get to that point | 17:02 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's far in the queue | 17:02 |
| alaski | but nothing is really critical from an upgrade PoV | 17:03 |
| bauzas | up to this one ? | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that gets us to the point that the two new objects are always in place, which makes it simpler next cycle | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | although yeah, its not required | 17:03 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:03 |
| alaski | yeah, the more we get in the better spot we'll be in | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean always having build requests and instance mappings would be nicer for next cycle, but yeah, thats a stretch | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is the cell mappings stuff | 17:04 |
| bauzas | I can try to sprint on those by tonight | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean, switch | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, so thats +Wed | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think everything else has a -2 on it till newton at this point | 17:04 |
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| mriedem | today is wednesday right? | 17:05 |
| mriedem | i thought we were freezing tomorrow | 17:05 |
| bauzas | mriedem: that's the case, not all of the patches are -2d now | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, we freeze tomorrow | 17:05 |
| doffm | johnthetubaguy: There is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270565/ | 17:05 |
| bauzas | so we're trying to identify which ones we can ship today | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the idea is to focus the review effort now | 17:05 |
| mriedem | ok, yeah, i feel we're close on the build request object one at the bottom | 17:05 |
| bauzas | so, agreeing on focusing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278124/ and above ideally? | 17:06 |
| bauzas | what about the cell0 things ? | 17:06 |
| doffm | They are -2W already. | 17:06 |
| alaski | doffm: yeah, I would really like to see that one go in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270565/. But I know melwitt has been busy recently | 17:07 |
| bauzas | doffm: oh right | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we need this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270565 for the cell mapping stuff to work? | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats not really useful though, yet? | 17:07 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: instance mappings are only created if that command has been run | 17:08 |
| bauzas | I can handle a new PS if melwitt is busy tonight | 17:08 |
| bauzas | if that's just a matter of filing a relnonte | 17:08 |
| bauzas | relnote | 17:08 |
| bauzas | that said | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, right, the instance mapping just raises | 17:08 |
| bauzas | I feel that if that's the only blocker, we can +W and put the reno file in a later change | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have a reno note in that patch right now, right? | 17:08 |
| alaski | bauzas: it's mostly switching feature to upgrade | 17:09 |
| bauzas | alaski: okay, that's something I can definitely handle :) | 17:09 |
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| bauzas | and relnotes can be amended later on | 17:09 |
| bauzas | lemme do that now | 17:09 |
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| bauzas | so we could ship that one | 17:10 |
| alaski | great | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so do we want to give our deployers that extra step so soon? | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | just checking here | 17:10 |
| bauzas | that's the instance mapping table | 17:10 |
| alaski | it's not required at all yet | 17:10 |
| bauzas | sorry the host mapping table | 17:10 |
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| alaski | but it allows us to start testing, and getting it in this cycle allows for grenade testing | 17:11 |
| bauzas | I was thinking of grenade actually | 17:11 |
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| bauzas | not of all users :) | 17:11 |
| bauzas | but we can put some EXPERIMENTAL thing around the command | 17:11 |
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| bauzas | to make it clear it doesn't really mean something atm | 17:11 |
| bauzas | and remove that EXPERIMENTAL log in Newton | 17:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I guess we need it for this line to make sese: | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263925/18/nova/conductor/manager.py@426 | 17:12 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: right | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, in which case, I am sold, lets add it | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the hope we get there | 17:13 |
| doffm | That was easy. :) | 17:13 |
| bauzas | you fine with me adding some notice that it's experimental ? | 17:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, for the avoidance of doubt, I am looking for a +W when we cut the branch, to have met FF, but a merge would be way better | 17:13 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: cool, good to know | 17:14 |
| bauzas | ack | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: making it clear its experimental, or not required, makes sense I think | 17:14 |
| bauzas | well, we work 24/7, right ? :) | 17:14 |
| bauzas | tomorrow morning UK time is waaaay too far for me | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | please don't break everyone, we have a few weeks of bug fixing to finish off yet | 17:15 |
| bauzas | heh | 17:15 |
| alaski | so far we've been very careful to keep all of this code from interfering with anything. it's all gated behind different checks | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, I think that clears up the ordering of things for mitaka, from where I stand, so thank you for indulging me on that | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: +1 top work with all this, its looking good | 17:15 |
| alaski | thanks | 17:16 |
| alaski | and bauzas doffm melwitt and others | 17:16 |
| bauzas | I'm a ghost | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I got some complaints at the ops summit about there being a new API database thats now being used, but I told them its all good news, and they seemed OK with that | 17:16 |
| doffm | Just wait till they find out there is a cell0 database... and then a scheduler database. (One day) | 17:17 |
| alaski | cool. and it's not even directly cells related yet :) it's really so they can schedule their live-migrations the same way as boot | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: good point, good work from a good group of folks, lets keep this moving into newton | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: heh, true | 17:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I guess we probably need to make clear to ops that we now have a better communication process with reno files | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: that came up, not totally sure they got the idea yet | 17:18 |
| alaski | doffm: yeah :) but then hopefully they realize they can optimize for different usage patterns | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277543/3 is about which DB tables go where | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | its docs, so its not FF blocked | 17:18 |
| mriedem | fwiw, the api db thing did get into the mitaka install guide | 17:18 |
| mriedem | BUT | 17:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: right, that would require the docs to be read | 17:18 |
| bauzas | TBH, that matches the audience discussion from dhellmann, I'm mostly focused on getting those for operators that don't touch a bit of code | 17:19 |
| mriedem | if the order starts to matter for the cell0 population, then the install guide will need to be updated | 17:19 |
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| doffm | mriedem: There will be an ordering... but thats a problem for Newton now. | 17:19 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:19 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:19 |
| mriedem | last i heard it was still in the air | 17:20 |
| alaski | right now we're just getting pieces in place, then we define an ordering | 17:20 |
| mriedem | but that was last week | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | the database split, I had questions around things like aggregate_host_mappings and servergroup_instance mappings, but not sure where that fits in the agenda | 17:20 |
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| alaski | we can move on to the next topic | 17:20 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:20 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: the floor is yours | 17:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so I am wondering if aggregate_host_mappings and servergroup_instance stuff should go in the cell DB, not API db | 17:21 |
| doffm | I have been working on the spec, and code for the aggregate move. | 17:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | referencing this change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277543/3 | 17:21 |
| doffm | johnthetubaguy: I agree the aggregate host mappings could go in the cell db. | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking, if they grow at the same rate as instances and hosts, they should love in the cell db | 17:22 |
| doffm | I'm going to look at how they will be used in the scheduler (post resource provider) | 17:22 |
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| doffm | And see what makes sense, but if you think celldb - thats good to know. | 17:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: doffm: that's my main concern | 17:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now that means the API will have to aggregate all those, but I think thats OK | 17:22 |
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| bauzas | if we say it's a relationship table for aggregates, used by the scheduler, it's somehow a global object | 17:22 |
| alaski | so aggregate_hosts I could see in the cell | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the other bits of aggregate are in the API db | 17:23 |
| doffm | Yep, thats waht I have been thinking. | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just like flavor and instance, well, sort of | 17:23 |
| alaski | well, flavor is an api db thing | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually thats a horrific example | 17:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I think scheduler land there is no change | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | the host reports its aggregate | 17:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the API reports changes to aggregate metadata | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think... | 17:24 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the scheduler doesn't really care about the DB model | 17:25 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: it just uses the Aggregates object facade to get that info in memory at startup | 17:25 |
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| alaski | doffm made the good point that it will be easier to determine after the resource provider work shakes out | 17:25 |
| bauzas | plus some RPC hooks when it changes | 17:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: what just concerns me is the move operation, but since it's an API thing, that could be doable I guess | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think its likely that some call will need to touch all cell DBs to get the list of hosts, but thats the same as API list | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: move operation? | 17:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed, it's a top-down request | 17:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ie. moving one host from one agg to another by example | 17:26 |
| bauzas | or adding a new host | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, it feels like this will end up being a case by case look at each table | 17:27 |
| bauzas | yeah probably | 17:27 |
| bauzas | so you're right | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suspect there are a few simple groupings and patterns we follow right | 17:27 |
| bauzas | yeah, agreed | 17:27 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | references instance, or references host, then it stays in cell DB, or something like that | 17:27 |
| bauzas | fair point | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, the fixes, each one needs is kinda complicated | 17:28 |
| doffm | johnthetubaguy: I tried to follow those patterns to make up the list. | 17:28 |
| alaski | for the most part. but we do have instance and host mappings that can be referenced in the api db | 17:28 |
| doffm | But we will need to look closer at each one as we make specs for them. | 17:28 |
| alaski | so as long as it just needs an instance or host uuid it can live in the api db. assuming it makes sense for other reasons | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: thats true, I just don't like the DB growth | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: so I feel the host mapping is fine, it just tells you which cell your host is in | 17:28 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: totally agree. we just need to balance it against duplication | 17:29 |
| bauzas | alaski: if we have aggregate uuids, we can still update the aggregate_hosts table by referencing something in another DB | 17:29 |
| bauzas | alaski: that just requires to denormalize by removing the FK | 17:29 |
| bauzas | which I guess doffm was following to keep both tables in the same DB, right? | 17:30 |
| doffm | bauzas: Correct, i was following FK relationships. | 17:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we are trying to say adding child cells is largely independent of the api cells DB size, roughly, its more related to API load, I just like trying to keep that as much as possible | 17:30 |
| doffm | But they can be broken for many reasons, including performance. | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the scale out your deployment by adding cells, use case | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think this is basically sharding | 17:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's a reasonable concern | 17:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats my main motivation for saying we keep the mappings in the child db | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | the metadata just lives in the API db | 17:31 |
| doffm | johnthetubaguy: Thats a very good point, and makes host_aggregate mapping seem more cells than api. | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | and the uuid for the aggregate | 17:31 |
| bauzas | agreed, we just need to make sure our consistency is not impacted by the denormalization and putting things in different places | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | doffm: yeah, same thinking | 17:31 |
| alaski | bauzas: right. that's where finding a balance is important | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | now the API can write into the child cell DB, thats just fine, and the host mapping helps us find it, so the system seems to work OK | 17:32 |
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| doffm | I'll look again at that list with johnthetubaguy's scaling point in mind. | 17:32 |
| bauzas | alaski: johnthetubaguy: if we agree to keep the top-down pattern as the rule, and bottom-up calls (from cell to API) as minimal as possible, that does sound reasonable, since updating those objects is mostly API-driven | 17:33 |
| doffm | But I was already thinking about host_aggregate mapping as possibly cells, just because it has 'HOST' in it and we have discussed keeping some of the other 'mapping' tables in the cell. | 17:33 |
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| bauzas | I'm just concerned by any nova-manage command that would be playing with the DB directly | 17:33 |
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| bauzas | that's where we need to make sure we propagate correctly our changes | 17:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: not sure I understand your concern here | 17:34 |
| alaski | I think it's going to be important to understand the access pattern of the tables, and that will help determine where it should live | 17:34 |
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| bauzas | what alaski said | 17:34 |
| bauzas | if some concepts like aggregates are managed thru the API (by creating those or updating those), that's easy because that's a top-down call | 17:35 |
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| bauzas | if we allow to modify our objects using nova-manage, we somehow need to make sure that we update both the API DB and the cell DB, and that could be a bottom-up call (ie. from one cell) which worries me a bit | 17:36 |
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| bauzas | but I'm maybe diverting | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly | 17:37 |
| alaski | bauzas: it's a good point. I think it should be captured somewhere outside of the meeting, like on the review we're discussion | 17:37 |
| alaski | *discussing | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, I guess its part of the access pattern? one we are likely to miss actually | 17:37 |
| doffm | I'll try and finish the Aggregate API move spec. We can discuss there in a few weeks time. | 17:38 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah that's an access pattern | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | access pattern is important, I am just worried we loose the sharding we need | 17:38 |
| bauzas | but let's put that out of concern for the moment | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | for me, I see the stuff that needs to move into the API DB, as we don't want it duplicated, like aggregate and aggregate_metadata, the other bits should stay, as they are local to the cell, from a sharding point of view | 17:38 |
| bauzas | that, I agree | 17:39 |
| doffm | Agree. | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but agreed we should look at relaxing that, if the performance or locking turns out to suck | 17:39 |
| alaski | I agree for the most part, what gets fuzzy for me is scheduling related bits that we might pull out into a global db later anyways | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I just keep them with the host for now, the host related bits | 17:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the scheduler can aggregate stuff | 17:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, that's not yet the point, the scheduler is mostly using memory for that | 17:40 |
| doffm | alaski: I agree, that includes aggregate, but its mostly the Host state and resource provider stuff. | 17:40 |
| alaski | it can, but it leads to duplication if we need to define the same thing in multiple cell dbs | 17:40 |
| bauzas | and we still have an open question on how the scheduler should work distributely | 17:40 |
| bauzas | erm | 17:40 |
| alaski | doffm: yeah | 17:40 |
| bauzas | in a distributed way, rather | 17:40 |
| doffm | bauzas: lets not go there on FF day. :) | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: which duplication are you thinking? | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | the aggregate | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that lives at the api level to remove the duplication | 17:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, wait, resource pools | 17:42 |
| alaski | for resource providers we decided to put them into the cells, which means multiple cells might have the same one defined | 17:42 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, so I think we have both there, which might be confusing | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | longer term, you are right, that all moves to a scheduler DB | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is sharded separately | 17:42 |
| doffm | The resource pool trick to map them to cells using aggregates is....tricky, but will probably work. | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well aggregate being the in api cell makes that all work, I think | 17:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, that feels like we got a bit deep for right this second | 17:43 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: right. and the sharding in a scheduler db may not match the cell sharding being done. | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | its write down, and make sure we all agreed kinda thing | 17:43 |
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| alaski | agreed | 17:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, I think it has to be independent, in the end | 17:44 |
| doffm | agreed | 17:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, it was the scale concern that worried me | 17:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was good to get that out there, not that is a novel thought, it just hit me again yesterday | 17:44 |
| alaski | what I'm taking from this is we could use more words written down explaining the priorities/concerns and motivations for things. rules of thumb we're using and so on | 17:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, I think so | 17:45 |
| alaski | that way we capture the scaling concern and keep it in mind | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: a motivations / concerns thing | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, like the API review guidelines, but not in there | 17:45 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:46 |
| alaski | any more topics today? | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the aim is to bring the plan to the summit, and discuss the tricky corners of the DB moves? | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess that your spec doffm? | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean if we merge it before the summit, then awesome | 17:46 |
| bauzas | that's even just a devref | 17:47 |
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| bauzas | not a spec | 17:47 |
| doffm | bauzas: I'm working now on an aggregate table move spec. | 17:47 |
| bauzas | oh ack | 17:47 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: yes, it would be good to discuss db migrations as much as possible. I'm not sure if we'll have time to deep dive on all of them though | 17:49 |
| doffm | There are probably a good few that don't need a deep dive, We can lump those together in one 'move the easy ones' spec. | 17:49 |
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| doffm | Maybe. | 17:49 |
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| doffm | Then spend lots of deep time on the others. | 17:50 |
| alaski | hopefully. but Nova is full of hidden pitfalls :) | 17:50 |
| doffm | Ha! True. :) | 17:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | heh | 17:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, thanks all, nothing more from me | 17:51 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: when are summit session proposals open? | 17:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: good question, when ever we like I guess... I should create the etherpad | 17:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | probably next week sometime, in that case | 17:51 |
| alaski | okay | 17:51 |
| bauzas | FWIW https://review.openstack.org/270565 is updated | 17:52 |
| alaski | do people want to come together next week to discussion session topics, or in two weeks? | 17:52 |
| alaski | in other words, do people want to skip next weeks meeting? | 17:52 |
| bauzas | why not | 17:52 |
| doffm | That would be OK with me. | 17:52 |
| * alaski slams a gavel | 17:53 | |
| alaski | so noted | 17:53 |
| bauzas | that said, I'd love to see if we could maybe try to find another timeslot for our weekly :D | 17:53 |
| bauzas | that can wait for Newton-ish | 17:53 |
| bauzas | but that one is terrible for me :p | 17:53 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay. we should definitely look at the timeslots again | 17:53 |
| bauzas | that's not super urgent | 17:54 |
| bauzas | I can handle | 17:54 |
| alaski | okay. I'll dig up the ical thing to see what's open these days | 17:54 |
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| bauzas | fair, thanks | 17:54 |
| alaski | I'll send a not to the ML about skipping next week | 17:55 |
| alaski | see you all in two weeks | 17:55 |
| alaski | thanks | 17:55 |
| doffm | thanks all | 17:55 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 17:55:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-02-17.00.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-02-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-02-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
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| sc68cal | hey all | 18:30 |
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| SridarK | Hi sc68cal: and all | 18:31 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 18:31 |
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| hoangcx | Hi | 18:31 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 18:31 |
| jwarendt | Hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 2 18:31:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:32 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 18:32 |
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| * xgerman will be distracted today with some LBaaS discussion in another channel | 18:32 | |
| Aish | o/ | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | so the agenda today is pretty light I think, I think most of us are busy on other things :( | 18:33 |
| jwarendt | yep | 18:33 |
| madhu_ak | +1 | 18:33 |
| mickeys | same here :( | 18:33 |
| SridarK | lets do a quick run thru of things | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | so on my end, it's been the same - basically no time to update any of the fwaasv2 patches | 18:35 |
| SridarK | on v2 i think we are in a holding pattern with a few things to get resolved in all areas | 18:36 |
| sc68cal | agreed | 18:36 |
| jwarendt | Is there need to resolve particular issue(s) to unblock things, or is it just a time issue? | 18:37 |
| mickeys | I have not had time to update my fwaasv2 patch either, and Sukanya has not really gotten started on coding and testing fwaasv2 and security groups co-existence. We know how we want to approach it, just need to free up time to get it done. | 18:37 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: i think it is a mix of both | 18:38 |
| sc68cal | capacity for me | 18:38 |
| xgerman | same on our end | 18:38 |
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| xgerman | we probably should schedule a bigger discussion given the lack of interest in V2 in the community if we are on the wrong path | 18:39 |
| mickeys | I think we are on the right path, but we need some thrust to bring it back to life | 18:40 |
| SridarK | xgerman: good point but i have seen interest from folks i have spoken to | 18:40 |
| SridarK | mickeys: +1 | 18:40 |
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| SridarK | i think we can continue with our patch sets to target N1 | 18:41 |
| mickeys | +1 | 18:41 |
| xgerman | yeah, just wanted to play devil’s advocate here... | 18:41 |
| SridarK | this cycle in itself is a bit distracted with the holidays and given that we got our spec stuff done sort of in M2 | 18:41 |
| sc68cal | agree- I thin N will be when capacity frees up | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | i hope we can just move the spec for quick approval for N | 18:42 |
| SridarK | so we get more time on coding cycles | 18:42 |
| xgerman | ok, sound good to me. | 18:43 |
| SridarK | ok looks like we are all on the same page | 18:44 |
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| Aish | +1 | 18:45 |
| sc68cal | anything else? or we can end early | 18:47 |
| SridarK | just one more thing from me | 18:47 |
| SridarK | i will be quick | 18:47 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: thanks for getting on as well, this definitely needs more work | 18:48 |
| SridarK | i will reach out to the submitter to have a discussion to get some closure | 18:48 |
| jwarendt | Yes - am strongly for the observer pattern, as current code has hard calls to process_router_add etc. Just needs to be done well. | 18:49 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: also some underlying assumptions are based on the specific vendor implementation | 18:49 |
| SridarK | this does not hold completely | 18:49 |
| SridarK | will be good if we can get this in | 18:50 |
| SridarK | since it is technically a bug fix - we may have a bit more time | 18:50 |
| SridarK | thats all from me | 18:50 |
| xgerman | we nevertheless should alert dougwig/armax | 18:50 |
| * dougwig raises head. | 18:51 | |
| jwarendt | Current FWaaS code also has holes - for example, doesn't get notified when a router gets deleted, or if a router sets admin_state_up to False - that observers can help with, if we need a bug to drive. | 18:51 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok sounds good - lets make sure that the submitter gets the fixes in | 18:51 |
| xgerman | dougwig we might need an extension for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ | 18:51 |
| dougwig | if you guys can get rid of neutron deriving from fwaas, i'd wager we can find it an exception. that code path is crazy | 18:51 |
| xgerman | it;’s technically a bug fix | 18:51 |
| xgerman | but wanted to make you aware | 18:51 |
| SridarK | dougwig: ok good it does fall there | 18:52 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: yes u are correct, we can keep it separate from this patch - so we can atleast push to get this in | 18:53 |
| SridarK | i think otherwise on reviews we are good | 18:55 |
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| SridarK | If others have nothing else to bring up we can end early ? | 18:56 |
| jwarendt | Nothing from me. | 18:56 |
| xgerman | yep, ending early would be good we have a meeting in 3 | 18:57 |
| sc68cal | ok, until next week | 18:57 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| xgerman | see ya | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 2 18:57:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-02-18.31.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-02-18.31.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-02-18.31.log.html | 18:57 |
| SridarK | ok folks, thx and bye all | 18:57 |
| mickeys | Bye | 18:57 |
| hoangcx | Bye | 18:57 |
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| david-lyle | The scheduled meeting for Horizon is HorizonDrivers my intent was to skip these until the beginning of next cycle. | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | disagreement? | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | time for reviews | 20:03 |
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| TravT | oh right | 20:03 |
| TravT | you did suggest that | 20:03 |
| TravT | without dissent | 20:03 |
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| mrunge | good to know | 20:03 |
| tqtran | sweet, more time | 20:03 |
| * david-lyle is bad at email | 20:03 | |
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| * TravT rarely complains about cancelled meetings and this will not be one of those rare times | 20:04 | |
| mrunge | heh | 20:04 |
| tsufiev | twice less 23pm meeting for me :) | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Er | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle ? | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Sorry I just got here myself | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Oh seems its cancelled. | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | The scheduled meeting for Horizon is HorizonDrivers my intent was to skip these until the beginning of next cycle. | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | PSA: nothing to see here | 20:05 |
| mrunge | maybe each of us will use the time to review, or to fix a bug in horizon then? | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | or fix the tests on master :) | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | which apparently just went belly up | 20:06 |
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| tsufiev | unit tests? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | I think so | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | heatclient release | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | \o/ | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | phew | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | didn't check integration tests | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | they were fine last time I saw them today ) | 20:07 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, blame itxaka for that | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | yeah, they passed | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | he did warn us | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I believe | 20:08 |
| mrunge | He just announced that earlier on #openstack-horizon | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | this morning in the meeting I thought | 20:08 |
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| mrunge | heh, I was in that meeting | 20:10 |
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| TravT | it was kind of like a hit and run | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | seems it was just in the horizon room | 20:13 |
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| david-lyle | did he have a patch, or just pointing out imminent failure? | 20:13 |
| TravT | imminent failure | 20:14 |
| TravT | just to strike fear into all of our hearts | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | ok I'll go try to fix | 20:14 |
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