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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 15:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 15:00 |
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| jklare | hey everybody | 15:00 |
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| jklare | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 15:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-15.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-15.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-15.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:01 |
| sc` | #chair jklare | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jklare sc` | 16:01 |
| jklare | yay | 16:01 |
| jklare | :D | 16:02 |
| sc` | howdy! | 16:02 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:02 |
| jklare | hi | 16:02 |
| sc` | kicked some patches along that needed +wf. there's one that seems to be spinning | 16:02 |
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| sc` | never mind. zuul status said it's taking a while | 16:03 |
| jklare | yeah, i saw that | 16:03 |
| jklare | not sure thou if we should just ignore the failing integration tests | 16:03 |
| sc` | we should start paying attention to them more closely | 16:04 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:04 |
| sc` | otherwise, why have them? | 16:04 |
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| jklare | i think they should work again after merging the openstack-chef-repo one with the fix for the role order in allinone | 16:04 |
| jklare | so maybe we should wait until this one is in and then recheck all the remaining ones | 16:05 |
| jklare | we also pushed a patch for orchestration | 16:05 |
| jklare | which should be good for review | 16:05 |
| jklare | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288387/ | 16:06 |
| sc` | right on. saw that one when i was looking at the open reviews | 16:06 |
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| jklare | we also have a new and shiny centos7 integration job now | 16:09 |
| sc` | yup. that was on my todo list, but E_TIME | 16:09 |
| jklare | and i think if we insert a small caseswitch into our bootstrap and rakefile it should start running | 16:10 |
| sc` | jklare: i noticed your notes re: chefdk. effectively this means we can't use 0.11.2? | 16:11 |
| jklare | sc` not sure about that | 16:11 |
| jklare | i played around with it a little bit and ran into an odd error related to the new chef provisioning | 16:12 |
| jklare | it might be that this can be fixed with some simple adaptions, but i did not look into that yet | 16:12 |
| sc` | ok. i'll have to play around with it too, to see what it's doing | 16:12 |
| jklare | apart from that, the new rubocop and foodcritic version will kill all our style and lint tests until we refactor | 16:13 |
| sc` | better to do this sort of change now than when mitaka is already cut | 16:13 |
| jklare | true | 16:15 |
| jklare | but we should start a discussion about the things we want to include before releasing | 16:17 |
| jklare | so we can set a date | 16:17 |
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| jklare | preferably around or during the summit imo | 16:17 |
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| sc` | yup. makes sense | 16:18 |
| sc` | what i'd like to see shipping at a minimum: the remainder of the refactoring and the latest chefdk | 16:19 |
| sc` | centos comes in almost for free | 16:19 |
| sc` | not much has to be done. even less to do for the GA packages | 16:19 |
| jklare | we should be nearly done for the refactoring part | 16:19 |
| jklare | for centos we need the integration test to run | 16:20 |
| sc` | yeah. integration should be there | 16:20 |
| jklare | for the chefdk.. | 16:20 |
| jklare | somebody will have to fix all the lint and style issues | 16:20 |
| sc` | yup. makes sense | 16:21 |
| jklare | and look into the local chef-provisioning thingy | 16:21 |
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| jklare | but i think that should be possible until end of april | 16:21 |
| jklare | BUT | 16:21 |
| jklare | we also need some mitaka packages for stable/mitaka :D | 16:21 |
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| sc` | yup. centos packages won't be on mirror.c.o until nearly the summit afaik | 16:22 |
| jklare | i think this might be the same for the ubunto ones on trusty | 16:22 |
| jklare | be we will see | 16:22 |
| sc` | mitaka 3 test day is this week for rdo | 16:23 |
| sc` | i'm going to give it a spin in repo and see how it is. should be a nonissue to switch over to those packages based on those results | 16:24 |
| jklare | sounds good | 16:27 |
| jklare | i have another completely unrelated topic | 16:30 |
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| jklare | not sure if you saw the mail from tristan this moring? | 16:31 |
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| sc` | i have not. looking | 16:31 |
| jklare | it would be good if anybody would step up as the new ptl for the newton cycle | 16:31 |
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| sc` | i had mentioned in our channel in passing. was giving it some consideration | 16:32 |
| jklare | ok | 16:32 |
| sc` | nb: i have no idea what is entailed, but i'd be willing to give it a shot for a cycle | 16:32 |
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| jklare | sounds great | 16:33 |
| jklare | i think since we are a very small project its more about communication to other projects | 16:33 |
| jklare | and planning of the summit sessions | 16:33 |
| jklare | btw | 16:33 |
| jklare | i tried to secure 2 working sessions and one fishbowl sessions for our project during the austin summit | 16:33 |
| jklare | hoping that we will at least one of each | 16:34 |
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| sc` | right on | 16:34 |
| jklare | i will keep you posted | 16:34 |
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| jklare | any other topics you want to talk about? | 16:39 |
| sc` | i'm good | 16:39 |
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| jklare | ok, thanks for attending and see you around | 16:42 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 16:42:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-16.01.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-16.01.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-07-16.01.log.html | 16:42 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 17:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| [1]rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
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| devananda | hi folks, sorry for starting a minute late | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:02 |
| devananda | also, I'm standing in for jroll today while he is gone for a few days | 17:02 |
| Nisha_away | o/ | 17:03 |
| devananda | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | :) o/ | 17:03 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:03 |
| devananda | only thing he left on my radar, announcement wise, is the reminder about the upcoming release | 17:03 |
| devananda | library and client releases for Mitaka are behind us now, and I believe jroll plans to do a server release once he's back (end of this week) | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | ditto for inspector, end of this week or beginning of the next.. | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | depending on how we finish the leftovers | 17:05 |
| devananda | dtantsur: cool, thanks | 17:05 |
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| rloo | devananda: apart from RAID, is there anything else that we wanted in this upcoming release? | 17:05 |
| devananda | there are still a pile of patches for the neutron integration work that we had hoped would land | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | there are the network stuff that is not merged yet | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | (what deva said) | 17:05 |
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| devananda | the API patches for that got delayed as jroll refactored driver loading to make it into a network driver | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | yeah, network stuff would be awesome to finish | 17:06 |
| Nisha_away | devananda, and agent drivers support for partition images | 17:06 |
| devananda | this is the main new patch there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/ | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | hmm, someone problems has to overtake it | 17:06 |
| rloo | devananda: but 285852 is a WIP? | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | s/problems/probably/ | 17:06 |
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| devananda | jroll left that for me to pick up this week | 17:07 |
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| rloo | oh, great, thanks devananda :) | 17:07 |
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| devananda | so unless someone else has a strong desire, I'll pick that up and work on it today | 17:07 |
| devananda | anyone else have announcements, or shall we move on? | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | I have a quick one | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | the devstack-gate patch enabling drivers other than {pxe, agent}_ssh to run on gate is now merged. Now the ipmitool jobs are running in the gate | 17:08 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 17:08 |
| devananda | woot! | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | pxe_ipmitool is passing, agent_ipmitool is failing because we need a small change in devstack ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287698/ ) to set the default image to agent_ipmitool to a full disk one. Right now agent_ssh is hardcoded there, so it only do it for that driver | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | that's it :-) | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | awesome !! | 17:08 |
| rloo | thx lucasagomes. Great news! | 17:09 |
| devananda | #info library and client releases done last week | 17:09 |
| devananda | #info ironic and ironic inspector server releases expected by EOW (or early next week) | 17:09 |
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| devananda | #info devstack-gate now supports allowing ironic testing with ipmitool driver | 17:09 |
| Nisha_away | devananda, does IPA also has some release cycle? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | devananda, do I get it right that then on the RC week we do one more release of services, and make stable/mitaka out of it? | 17:09 |
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| devananda | #info networking integration work still in progress, pending driver-loading refactoring | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | Nisha_away, good catch. we need to release it soonish | 17:10 |
| Nisha_away | dtantsur, agent drivers partition image support requires a patch in IPA too | 17:10 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I believe that is the plan, ye | 17:10 |
| Nisha_away | so was just wondering when is that planned | 17:10 |
| devananda | Nisha_away: if jroll has plans for an IPA release, I'm not currently tracking that | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | Nisha_away, we're approaching the feature freeze, so I don't think this large feature has a big chance of getting in.. | 17:11 |
| Nisha_away | dtantsur, these are small patches | 17:11 |
| Nisha_away | already in review | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | well, we'll see | 17:12 |
| Nisha_away | ironic-lib already released with fix for it | 17:12 |
| devananda | let's move on and discuss that more in the open discussion section | 17:12 |
| Nisha_away | devananda, sure | 17:12 |
| devananda | which I think we'll get to quickly today | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | +1 | 17:12 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status report | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status report (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:12 | |
| dtantsur | note that I've removed the "futurist" section. and that's because the change has landed in both ironic and inspector \o/ | 17:12 |
| devananda | dtantsur: nic! | 17:12 |
| devananda | nice! | 17:12 |
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| dtantsur | are we done with the manual cleaning? should we remove it too? | 17:13 |
| sambetts | \o/ | 17:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think we can remove manual cleaning. there is just one thing left, the API to get the avail clean steps. that won't happen in Mitaka. | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I still remember your idea about splitting periodic tasks to separate processes.. might be an interesting thing to start thinking of | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah AFAIK it's done | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | ok, removing | 17:14 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ for that in Newton | 17:14 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: TheJulia: I was playing with bifrost + inspector a lot last week, and it seems like that is poorly supported right now, and not working | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | :( | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | ugh | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: for inspector, didn't you just mention that there will be an upcoming release? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rloo, yep. or even 2 of them | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: 2 this week? was going to update the subteam status report | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx for updating :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | rloo, we need a release around this week, then another one on the RC week; ditto for ironic | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | (if I get the release process right ofc) | 17:17 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, that sounds about right | 17:18 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: yep | 17:18 |
| TheJulia | devananda: specific bugs would be useful, but firing that up right now to take a look | 17:19 |
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| devananda | TheJulia: I'm unclear as to what should work as there wasnt a lot of documentation on that, but yea, let's chat more this week | 17:21 |
| devananda | and i'll file bugs as I figure out what ya'll expect :) | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | absolutely :) | 17:21 |
| devananda | giving folks another minute with updates, then we'll move on | 17:22 |
| devananda | I don't have any specs to discuss in the next section today -- been focused on other things, and will resume spec reviews after M3 | 17:23 |
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| devananda | #topic stuck specs | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck specs (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:23 | |
| devananda | #info I've been focused on other things, and will resume spec reviews after M3 | 17:23 |
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| devananda | there's one topic on the agenda, but jroll asked it to wait until he's back | 17:24 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:24 |
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| dtantsur | kind-of-an-update: we didn't convince tripleo to create a stable branch for DIB.. | 17:25 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, :-( | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | so we might want to wait until kilo eol, then just drop the old ramdisk.. | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | (at least that's what we discussed with jroll) | 17:25 |
| devananda | dtantsur: IIRC, they agreed to test DIB/master against ironic stable/XX | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, it's already marked as deprecated so I think we are fine | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | wanted to remind folks that Daylight saving time it next sunday here in the US | 17:26 |
| thiagop | is there anyone working with jroll in the "add network drivers" patch? | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | just will take longer | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | devananda, that's barely possible due to requirements.. | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | but is worth investigating | 17:26 |
| devananda | thiagop: I am. do you want to get involved there? | 17:26 |
| thiagop | devananda: I was looking into the code, but a little confused about what is lacking. If you show me the path I can help | 17:27 |
| devananda | #info DST ends in the US this week | 17:27 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 17:27 |
| sambetts | UK DST time isn't until March 27, thats going to be confusing... | 17:28 |
| devananda | sambetts: yea. the meeting time may apear to change by an hour for some folks while DST settles in different countries | 17:28 |
| mgould | I thought the meeting time was on UTC? | 17:29 |
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| devananda | it i | 17:30 |
| devananda | it is | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, it is... but since we are on UTC+0 it just matches with out current time | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | our* | 17:30 |
| mgould | yep | 17:31 |
| sambetts | until the clocks change and then we're an hour off | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | which is very handy btw | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:31 |
| devananda | mgould: for example, on the US West Coast, the meeting time this week is 9am. next week it is 10am | 17:31 |
| mgould | sure, it was the "may appear to change... while DST settles in" that confused me | 17:31 |
| mgould | the local meeting time will change until DST ends | 17:31 |
| mgould | which is months away | 17:31 |
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| devananda | mgould: sorry for the confusion. I meant that as a caution against merely assuming that the time changes in your local time, because different countries implement DST at different times. | 17:32 |
| mgould | OK, gotcha | 17:32 |
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| rloo | are we good with the microversion header change being proposed? | 17:33 |
| rloo | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/087928.html | 17:34 |
| * devananda reads | 17:34 | |
| rloo | would it be OpenStack-API-Version: baremetal xyz | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yup | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | we will keep both for backward compat | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | they're also removing Min- and Max- headers | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | dunno if we like it | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, this is just for the client to request the version | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | min/max are in the server right? | 17:35 |
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| lucasagomes | we will keep it because we already use it | 17:35 |
| rloo | dtantsur: OH, didn't know that. how do we handle backward compat for that if it is removed? | 17:35 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: are we the only service which sends min/max in replies today? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | rloo, we don't remove :) but it's not on the guideline | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I believe nova does too, lemme check | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | we copied everything from nova | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, we will keep what we have so we don't break existing users | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | and tools | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | actually inspector also sends them, but inspector works differently with versions in other regards | 17:36 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I copied the idea of how they implemented it, but we implemented it quite differently | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | oh, I didn't know it | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | I thought we're doing a pretty close thing | 17:37 |
| * rloo wonders if we should have a subteam cross-project report | 17:38 | |
| dtantsur | we should have had it before we jumped into implementing microversions ;) | 17:38 |
| * dtantsur ducks | 17:38 | |
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| dtantsur | I meant, agreeing on the things like that | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: agreed. We should have got you to spearhead it :) | 17:38 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, it was a bit rushed indeed | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | but maybe at the time we didn't know it would become an OS thingy. Nova was the only one implementing it AFAIR | 17:39 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: we needed something at the time, to handle the change in states. it made sense at the time to leverage what nova did. | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, so, looking here. I was mistaken, I think nova do not return min/max headers | 17:40 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah | 17:40 |
| devananda | in any case, now that more projects are starting to support it, and there is cross-project needs to standardize on the approach | 17:41 |
| devananda | I think we will need to add that to our API | 17:41 |
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| rloo | the cross-project stuff (almost all? all?) emerge when similar 'patterns' are done across 2 or more projects and someone notices/brings it up. | 17:41 |
| devananda | and maintain compat with what we already released | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | yep | 17:41 |
| devananda | it's a very common pattern, as rloo just pointed out | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, agreed | 17:42 |
| devananda | that we did it early isn't bad -- it's helped us, and helped openstack figure out what works | 17:42 |
| rloo | so I don't think we should be hard on ourselves cuz it was 'rushed'. | 17:42 |
| rloo | like devananda said :) | 17:42 |
| devananda | trying to force a concensus across projects before anyone has implemented it is a recipe for stress and stalled progress (we've seen this many times before) | 17:42 |
| devananda | but if we need something not covered in that proposal (like min/max values in the return headers) we need to speak up now | 17:43 |
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| NobodyCam | worst case we can query the api for min / max supported versions | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 17:44 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes. querying the root resource "/" should return the versions in the HTTP BODY | 17:45 |
| devananda | that would require a change in our clients' error handling, but I don't think that would take much work | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | I seem to remember we discussed it before | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, but I don't think we are going to change it in Ironic right? We can keep the headers | 17:47 |
| devananda | rloo: thanks for bringing this up. I don't see any problem with the proposal | 17:47 |
| rloo | thx devananda | 17:47 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: we'll have to keep X-OpenStack-Ironic-API* headers around for compat with current/older clients | 17:48 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:48 |
| devananda | any other topics for open discussion? | 17:49 |
| devananda | I'm happy to give folks back 10 minutes, since it seems like we've wound down early | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:50 |
| devananda | ... ok! thanks everyone! | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all ... | 17:50 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 17:50:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-07-17.01.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-07-17.01.txt | 17:50 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 21:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:01 |
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| flwang | #topic roll call | 21:01 |
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| flwang | o/ | 21:01 |
| Eva-i | o/ | 21:01 |
| flwang | raise your hand if you're around :) | 21:01 |
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| ryansb | \o | 21:02 |
| flwang | yep, in China, when i was a young student, we're asked to raise the right hand instead of left :D | 21:02 |
| flwang | where is vkmc? | 21:03 |
| vkmc | HERE o/ | 21:03 |
| vkmc | : | 21:03 |
| vkmc | :) | 21:03 |
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| flwang | haha, awesome | 21:03 |
| flwang | TBH, i don't have much topic today after a busy week | 21:03 |
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| flwang | #topic patches for RC1 | 21:03 |
| Eva-i | I think we should discuss our tech debt | 21:03 |
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| flwang | we need to figure out which patches we would like to get it in RC1 | 21:04 |
| flwang | not too much on the list | 21:05 |
| Eva-i | It means not all patches which are currently merged to master will make their way to RC1? | 21:05 |
| flwang | Eva-i: we may need to defer some of the patches into Newton | 21:05 |
| Eva-i | Or we are discussing new unwritten patches? | 21:05 |
| flwang | we don't want to introduce any regression issue | 21:05 |
| flwang | Eva-i: we're discussing which patches/bug we want to merge/fix in RC1 | 21:06 |
| flwang | currently, what in my mind is: | 21:06 |
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| flwang | 1. PUT queue should update the metadata | 21:07 |
| ryansb | you mean PATCH? | 21:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: PUT | 21:07 |
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| flwang | we have fixed PATCH, no? ;) | 21:07 |
| Eva-i | we have added patch | 21:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280941/1 | 21:08 |
| Eva-i | So on PUT operation Zaqar should create queue and replace queue metadata? It's just like PATCH, but doesn't throw 404 error, right? | 21:09 |
| flwang | ryansb: vkmc: Eva-i: we also need to decide if we would like to support queue metadata update for v1.1 | 21:09 |
| flwang | flaper87: if you're around, see above | 21:09 |
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| vkmc | hmm I'm not so sure about that approach | 21:09 |
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| vkmc | how is the behavior right now? if there is a queue "x" and you put a queue "x" | 21:10 |
| vkmc | that queue gets overwritten? | 21:10 |
| flwang | the queue won't be overwriten | 21:10 |
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| flwang | for example, you have queue A, with empty metadata | 21:10 |
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| flwang | and you PUT queue A with metadata {'_flavor': "fast_storage"} | 21:10 |
| flwang | it won't work | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: zaqar just responds with 204 status code, old metadata stays, even if the user has PUT 'x' with metadata | 21:10 |
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| flwang | it just return 204 | 21:11 |
| vkmc | ok | 21:11 |
| flwang | vkmc: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280941/1 | 21:11 |
| flwang | technically, it's breaking the idempotence of PUT | 21:12 |
| ryansb | yes | 21:12 |
| flwang | but i need to talk with flaper87 or kgriffs to know if there is any reason | 21:13 |
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| flwang | 2. https://review.openstack.org/279946 subscription update for redis | 21:15 |
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| Eva-i | our queue PUT method wasn't idempotent from the start | 21:15 |
| flwang | as for "Show 'age' field in subscriptions", i'm hesitating to get it in Mitaka | 21:16 |
| Eva-i | i'm not sure it's possible now to make it idempotent | 21:16 |
| flwang | vkmc: ryansb: thoughts? | 21:16 |
| ryansb | I wouldn't bother with that one for rc1 | 21:16 |
| ryansb | it'll wait | 21:16 |
| flwang | ryansb: good to see we're on the same page :) | 21:16 |
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| flwang | vkmc: ^ | 21:16 |
| Eva-i | I think I want subscriptions to show their age in mitaka | 21:17 |
| flwang | Eva-i: for me, it's like a new feature, instead of a bug | 21:18 |
| flwang | and i don't really want to merge a new feature for release candidate | 21:18 |
| flwang | since i don't want to introduce any regression issue | 21:18 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oki | 21:18 |
| flwang | ryansb: does that make sense for you? | 21:19 |
| flwang | vkmc: ^ | 21:19 |
| ryansb | yeah, I'd rather wait on it | 21:19 |
| vkmc | I agree with that, I don't want to merge a new feature for RC1 | 21:19 |
| vkmc | we cannot afford that | 21:19 |
| vkmc | if we are aiming for stability in this cycle | 21:19 |
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| Eva-i | oki, let's not include it in RC1 | 21:20 |
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| flwang | vkmc: for this one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286541/ when you say "Pushing this to RC1", i think you mean you don't want to merge it in RC1, right? | 21:20 |
| vkmc | flwang, I meant we were going to review that in RC1 | 21:21 |
| vkmc | it's not a feature addition but a refactoring in the code | 21:21 |
| vkmc | that kinda makes sense | 21:21 |
| vkmc | unless you don't think so | 21:21 |
| ryansb | -2 for that, wait until after mitaka | 21:22 |
| ryansb | it's just a change to the tests | 21:22 |
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| flwang | vkmc: i can't see any benefit for Mitaka | 21:22 |
| flwang | vkmc: personally, i would perfer to defer it to N | 21:22 |
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| Eva-i | so mostly any patches that I will make now will probably go to N? | 21:23 |
| ryansb | yeah | 21:24 |
| ryansb | the idea is to only do bugfixes in release candidates | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | oki | 21:24 |
| flwang | Eva-i: unless it a cirtical bug fix | 21:24 |
| ryansb | other patches are appreciated, but won't be merged for Mitaka | 21:24 |
| flwang | Eva-i: like which may breaking an existing function, IMHO | 21:25 |
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| Eva-i | so what we have decided about https://review.openstack.org/279946 subscription update for redis ? | 21:26 |
| vkmc | flwang, ryansb sounds good to me | 21:26 |
| Eva-i | ah, you decided not to include it in redis | 21:26 |
| Eva-i | *in RC1 | 21:26 |
| flwang | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle#Release%20candidate%201 | 21:26 |
| Eva-i | but there is a problem with subscriptions now | 21:26 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: where i said the subscription update for redis patch won't be in RC1? | 21:27 |
| flwang | Eva-i: that's the one we need to discuss | 21:27 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes, right, let's discuss it | 21:28 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: i would like to see it in RC1 | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | flwang: me too | 21:29 |
| flwang | as for the queue metadata issue, i will talk with flaper87 to confirm something | 21:29 |
| flwang | ryansb: vkmc: ^ re the subscription update for redis patch | 21:31 |
| Eva-i | Because subscriptions expire now, the user can't renew subscription if he knows the subscription is going to expire soon. All he can do is recreate subscriptions. And in the moment between subscription expiration or deletion and new subscription creation, Zaqar don't send notifications, which is bad. | 21:32 |
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| ryansb | Indeed. | 21:32 |
| ryansb | I haven't reviewed the latest one, will do though | 21:32 |
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| ryansb | it sounds like it should be in RC1 though, since it messes up the subscription extension semantics | 21:32 |
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| flwang | ryansb: cool, thanks for the feedback | 21:33 |
| Eva-i | so wangxiyuan is fixing subscription renew in Redis, I'm going to fix it in MongoDB | 21:33 |
| flwang | ryansb: btw, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289179/ wangxiyuan is working on the client patch | 21:33 |
| flwang | for queue metadata update cli | 21:33 |
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| ryansb | ah, great | 21:33 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i don't think we have a bug for mongoDB | 21:33 |
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| flwang | ryansb: Eva-i: vkmc: pls do not merge the client patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289179/ unless we have an agreement if we would like to add the queue update support for v1.1, thanks | 21:35 |
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| ryansb | I think I was the only one against, and since everyone else was for it I'm fine with supporting v1.1 | 21:36 |
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| ryansb | so I think the verdict is v1.1 support is ok | 21:37 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, but given we have at least about 2 weeks, so we can think about it carefully | 21:37 |
| flwang | i will talk with flaper87, who is the opposition party of anything about queue :D | 21:38 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I think we have a bug in mongoDB, so I opened this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1552866 | 21:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552866 in zaqar "Subscriptions in mongodb are not renewed on TTL UPDATE" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 21:39 |
| flwang | Eva-i: ok, i can see your point now | 21:40 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you mean update the 'expires' field, right? | 21:40 |
| Eva-i | yeah | 21:40 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool, valid bug for me | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | flwang: =) | 21:41 |
| ryansb | yup, looks good to go into RC1 | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | take a look also to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1547131 | 21:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547131 in zaqar "Subscription patching to duplicate in mongodb should return 409 response" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 21:41 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: at the first glance, bug/1547131 can't be in RC1 | 21:42 |
| Eva-i | if we will not fix it, our mongodb and redis backend will differ on update operation. | 21:43 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: you can fix it in 1552866 | 21:43 |
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| flwang | it's a bit tricky though | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I prefer to make two patches for these bugs. I even recommended wangxiyuan to split his patch because of that | 21:44 |
| flwang | ryansb: poking me if i'm giving a wrong suggestion :D | 21:44 |
| flwang | Eva-i: no | 21:45 |
| flwang | i will vote for no | 21:45 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: vkmc: and what do you think? | 21:45 |
| ryansb | I'm in favor of splitting them | 21:45 |
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| ryansb | also, I agree the spurious errors should be fixed for RC1 | 21:45 |
| ryansb | as an operator I hate when not-actually-error errors log at that level | 21:46 |
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| flwang | vkmc: ^ | 21:47 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: what do you mean by spurious errors? Using LOG.exception instead of LOG.debug, when we need to use LOG.debug? | 21:47 |
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| ryansb | I mean in bug/1547131 where we use ERROR to log a conflict | 21:47 |
| ryansb | when really it should be at debug or info | 21:48 |
| ryansb | since the operator can't do much with that information | 21:48 |
| ryansb | and it's not actually an error that puts the zaqar service in danger of failing | 21:48 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: aha, oki | 21:48 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: yes, that's synonymous of what I have asked. | 21:49 |
| Eva-i | LOG.exception is logging at error level | 21:49 |
| ryansb | then yup | 21:49 |
| Eva-i | there are many places in Zaqar, when it logs by LOG.exception instead of logging by LOG.debug | 21:50 |
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| flwang | seems we lost vkmc | 21:51 |
| flwang | and the vote result is 2:1? | 21:51 |
| Eva-i | flwang: we can ask her later, if you want. | 21:53 |
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| flwang | it's fine, it's not a big deal | 21:53 |
| flwang | you can keep it as two bugs | 21:53 |
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| flwang | ok, anything else we need to discuss? | 21:53 |
| flwang | we have 7 mins | 21:53 |
| Eva-i | Maybe we should make etherpad with our tech debts | 21:53 |
| Eva-i | I mean with new patches to make/include in RC1 | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | flwang: can you do it? | 21:55 |
| ryansb | yeah, that'd be good | 21:55 |
| flwang | Eva-i: all the RC1 patches need to be tracked with bug and all the bug will be tagged with 'release-critical' | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | it's hard to keep them all in memory or reread chat logs | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | oh, I see | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | what bug reports we're missing then? | 21:56 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i will go through all the patches and ask for bug if there is no and tag them if there is | 21:56 |
| flwang | https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 21:57 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oki, perhaps, you can tag these bug reports now https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1552866 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1547131 | 21:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552866 in zaqar "Subscriptions in mongodb are not renewed on TTL UPDATE" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547131 in zaqar "Subscription patching to duplicate in mongodb should return 409 response" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 21:57 |
| Eva-i | because they have no fixes now | 21:57 |
| flwang | Eva-i: will do | 21:57 |
| flwang | Eva-i: give me some seconds | 21:58 |
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| Eva-i | sure ;) | 21:59 |
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| flwang | ok, cool, thank you guys | 21:59 |
| flwang | let's talk in zaqar channel | 21:59 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| Eva-i | yes | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 22:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-03-07-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-03-07-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-03-07-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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