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vgridnev#startmeeting sahara14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 10 14:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:01
vgridnevhi folks14:01
PoornimaHi everyone14:01
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crobertsrhHello Poornima, welcome14:01
vgridnevlet's wait a little14:01
Poornimacrobertsrh, Finally saw you after a long time :)14:02
crobertsrhYes, our timezones don't overlap much :)14:02
vgridnevwe need to enable chair ha mode, who can be additional chair?14:02
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crobertsrhvgridnev:  I can14:03
vgridnev#chair crobertsrh14:03
openstackCurrent chairs: crobertsrh vgridnev14:03
vgridnevso, let's start14:03
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vgridnev#topic Action items from the last meeting14:04
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vgridnev#topic News / updates14:04
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vgridnevany news folks?14:04
crobertsrhI've mostly been going through the UI, poking at it to shake out bugs since the re-org14:04
esikachevworking on sahara-nightly jobs, testing ambari ha14:04
sreshetnyakno updates from me14:04
esikachevupdate framework also)14:04
vgridnevI'm testing sahara right now, we've got some bugs in UI side14:05
vgridnevesikachev, could please post a link to bug with node groups?14:05
Poornimalooking in API v2 test shared by elmiko14:05
pgadiya_same as Poornima14:05
crobertsrhI'll take a look at anything you've written up.  I should be able to help fix some.14:05
esikachevvgridnev: sure14:05
Poornimapgadiya_, :P14:05
pgadiya_and setting up env for dev14:05
esikachevbug #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1555496 in Sahara "[UI] Cannot update nodegroups" [Undecided,New]14:06
esikachevvgridnev: ^14:06
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vgridnevthanks esikachev14:06
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crobertsrhPoornima, pgadiya_: Definitely ask questions if you get stuck on something.14:07
pgadiya_sure crobertsrh14:07
Poornimasure crobertsrh14:07
vgridnevany news / updates?14:07
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vgridnevuh, it looks like stable/mitaka was created for saharaclient14:08
crobertsrhYes, I saw that :)14:08
vgridnevdo we have action items from last meeting?14:09
crobertsrhI might have missed last week's meeting, so I don't recall14:09
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vgridnevok, let's move to FFEs14:10
vgridnev#topic FFEs14:10
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crobertsrhI see a new request for MapR 5.1.014:11
vgridnevyeah, me too14:11
Poornimacrobertsrh, vgridnev where do we need to subscribe for FFE's14:11
crobertsrhTypically, we seem to be fairly lenient on all things MapR14:11
vgridnevactually I don't have any objections on this one, I guess it can be granted14:11
crobertsrhPoornima:  The mailing list openstack-dev14:12
* Poornima is subscribed to it14:12
Poornimathanks crobertsrh14:12
crobertsrhIf you have a filter for [Sahara] in the subject, it'll catch all thing sahara-related14:12
crobertsrhThis request is from just this morning14:12
Poornimasure will set the filter right way14:12
Poornimapgadiya, ^^14:12
crobertsrhI think I would lean toward granting the FFE for MapR
vgridnevsreshetnyak, do you have objections on this one?14:13
crobertsrhGood feature to have and it's unlikely to have any chance of breaking anything else.14:13
toskyapart from MapR itself14:14
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vgridnevok, I've added that to ether pad
sreshetnyakno objections from my side, but need to send email to openstack-dev with FFE request14:15
crobertsrhYeah, the email has already been sent14:16
sreshetnyaknice, I see14:17
vgridnevabout resume stuff, it still on review with -114:17
huichunvgridnev: I will update today14:18
vgridnevok, anything else in this topic?14:18
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crobertsrhNothing from me14:19
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vgridnev#topic API v2 progress14:19
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vgridnevPoornima, pgadiya any news in here?14:20
vgridnevor we can't move to the next topic?14:20
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Poornimavgridnev, we are going through this
pgadiyawe have taken 3 tasks from the lists
pgadiyaonce the environment setup is completed, we will move ahead with the changes14:21
Poornimathanks pgadiya  u saved my typing efforts:P14:22
Poornimafolks thats it from us at the moment14:22
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vgridnev#topic Scenario tests releases and launchpad project14:23
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esikachevwe are discussed this with Mirantis local sahara-team yesterday and arrived the conclusion "need release sahara-tests like saharaclient and need create separated project on Launchpad". any ideas, objections?14:23
crobertsrhA separate project might be reasonable, but it could actually result in fewer people paying attention to seeing the bugs reported there.14:24
crobertsrhI'm +1 on the idea though, just noting that it'll be a little extra effort to see some of the bugs in the separate launchpad.14:25
esikachevcrobertsrh: i will announce this bugs on meetings)14:25
crobertsrhheh, ok :)14:25
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esikachevif no objections, i will create a Launchpad project14:26
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esikachevin the near future14:26
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esikachevthats all from me14:27
huichunesikachev:  tempest tests are also move this project?14:27
vgridnevesikachev, just for sure: i think that sahara bug management should be at least included to management team in this project14:27
esikachevvgridnev: yes14:27
esikachevhuichun: tempest tests have not releases14:28
Poornimahuichun, what all tempest test are included where can we check those ?14:28
esikachevhuichun: sahara tempest tests?14:28
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vgridnevtosky, have you started migration of tempest tests to sahara-tests?14:29
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toskyvgridnev: not yet, sorry14:31
toskyvgridnev: I have only one question related to the history14:31
toskyright now, when people do such operations, they simply put the last version of the code to be moved in a review14:32
toskynow, given that I'm the one who complained for keeping the history when sahara-tests was created (thanks again esikachev for that work!)14:32
toskyI was wondering if I should ask infra if it's possible to have another import, but it seems difficult14:33
toskyanother possibility would be to just put all the relevant commits as reviews - they shouldn't be too much14:33
toskyor we can simply ignore the problem and import the code as it is, without history14:33
toskyas you prefer, I accept any advice, and then I will operate accordingly14:34
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esikachevgood question14:34
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vgridnevesikachev, as far I know we did that import using filter branch, right? I think, if we will have small amount of commits we can propose that as reviews, otherwise we will need push permissions from SergeyLukjanov, maybe14:35
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esikachevyes, we are use the #links
huichunesikachev:  i mean to to tosky 's migration of tempest tests14:37
vgridnevI think that we can return to this topic when SergeyLukjanov will be around, to be sure that is still possible14:37
esikachevone way is a separate only "tempest" folder14:37
toskyI will prepare the filtered history and see how many commits are there14:37
toskyif they are around on the size of 10 or so, I will just push reviews :)14:38
esikachevyes, let's wait of PTL)14:38
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vgridnevok, let's move to open discussions14:39
vgridnev#topic Open discussion14:39
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esikachevvgridnev: Nightly Jobs?14:39
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vgridnev#topic Sahara nightly jobs14:40
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vgridnevesikachev, anything to discuss in this topic?14:40
esikachevwe are working on #link
esikachevbut we have a ONE problem. trigger by time not triggered14:41
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esikachevdo you have a ideas?14:41
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huichunesikachev: what is the difference between the scenario-tests and the nightly jobs? Run different tests?14:42
esikachevhuichun: Now there is no difference14:42
esikachevbut i am working on #link
esikachevand other scenarios for nightly builds14:43
vgridnevnigthly job will triggered at some time each day to understand full picture of how sahara is working14:43
vgridnevhuichun, ^^14:43
crobertsrhAre we expecting the nightly jobs to be more "stable"?14:43
esikachevthis will be the most full set of tests14:43
huichunvgridnev:  clearly ^^ thx VG14:43
esikachevcrobertsrh: yes14:44
vgridnevI bet we don't have experts in infra right now14:44
toskyare there enough resources on the Sahara CI?14:44
toskysometimes jobs are a bit stuck in the queue when there are many reviews14:44
toskyit is true that during European night time the queue is more empty, but still14:45
toskyif there are enough resources, of course no objection for more jobs14:46
vgridnevas far as know at European night queue is almost empty. esikachev, am I right?14:46
esikachevif you want to be notified about results from nightly jobs, send me a message on and i am add you email to jennkins14:46
toskywhere will the results be sent, as those jobs are not tied to reviews?14:46
esikachevvgridnev: yes14:46
toskyoh, adhoc notification14:46
esikachevin 3:00am is empty14:46
esikachevMoscow time14:47
vgridnevok, we have 13 min, let's move on14:47
vgridnev#topic Open discussion14:47
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vgridnevanything else that we can discuss?14:48
crobertsrhHas everyone heard about their Summit talk submissions?14:48
crobertsrhI believe that elmiko had a talk that got accepted.14:48
vgridnevyeah, I heard that NikitaKonovalov got two talks approved14:48
crobertsrhI think tmckay had a talk that was put on the "alternate" list14:49
vgridnevone of that with elmiko, as far I know14:49
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crobertsrhNothing else from me14:50
esikachevfrom me too14:50
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crobertsrh+1 to end meeting14:51
vgridnevok then14:51
vgridnevthanks folks for attending14:51
huichunThx VG14:51
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tidwellr#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
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tidwellr#topic Announcements15:01
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tidwellrany announcements from the team?15:03
mlavalleSummit talk acceptances were sent out earlier this week15:03
carl_baldwinMitaka is closing fast15:03
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carl_baldwinI think we got a number of of talks from this team accepted.15:04
tidwellryes, there seemed to be a lot of L3-related talks accepted15:05
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tidwellrif nothing else, let's move on15:06
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tidwellr#topic Bugs15:06
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tidwellrseeing as Mitaka is closing fast, I wonder how many of these bugs will have fixes make it into Mitaka15:07
carl_baldwintidwellr: Are any targetted at RC1 right now?15:07
carl_baldwinmlavalle: ?15:07
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: 'targeted to milestone' yes15:08
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily)15:09
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mlavallethis one is specifically mitaka-1 RC1:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:09
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mlavallePavel is assigned to it15:09
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tidwellrlooks like it's just those 215:10
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: I meant to follow up on this one this week but I've been in all day meetings.15:10
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: yes, pavel_bondar is out-of-office for another week. he spent quite a bit of time on it, but said he thinks we have to revert the change we made to go to "compare and swap" method.15:11
johnbelamaricBasically, the compare-and-swap method fails more often than the original15:11
johnbelamaricis my understanding15:11
mlavalleThe proposed fixed,, is still marked with workflow -115:12
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: We need think about that.  Compare and swap was the fix for another bug.  So, reverting would put us back to where we started.  Maybe I can get a second set of eyes on it.15:12
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carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin to get a second set of eyes on
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:13
johnbelamaricyeah, understood. the compare-and-swap was a fix for a bug when using Galera. Yes, if someone else can take a look that would be helpful - I don't have the time now15:13
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Thanks.15:13
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1554825 in neutron "get_isolated_subnets does not return latest results" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Shih-Hao Li (shihli)15:14
tidwellrthis one was tagged as rc115:14
* carl_baldwin looking...15:14
tidwellrlooks new15:14
mlavalleyeah, hasn't seen it before15:15
carl_baldwinYep, I can review today.15:15
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tidwellrcarl_baldwin: thanks15:16
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tidwellralright, I think we can move on from bugs15:16
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tidwellrthere are a number of RFE's, mostly BGP-related15:17
tidwellrI need to look at those, no need to discuss right now15:17
tidwellr#topic Routed Networks15:18
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tidwellrcarl_baldwin: how is this going?15:18
carl_baldwinWe've got a good start but meetings this week have prevented me from working on it at all.  :(15:18
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: I had something for you.  Did I send you an email about segments (cuz I meant to.)15:19
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johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: I don't thinks so - unless you mean #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1544768 in neutron "[RFE] Differentiate between service and floating subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:20
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Thats part of it.15:20
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: but i haven't had a chance to look at that closely yet15:20
* carl_baldwin guesses he didn't actually send the email yet.15:21
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: I'll send it.  I'd like to get your perspective.15:21
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johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: ok, no problem15:21
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Not only may subnets have different types for different purposes with bug 1544768, they will also associate with segments with the routed networks work.15:22
openstackbug 1544768 in neutron "[RFE] Differentiate between service and floating subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:22
carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin will start discussion with johnbelamaric .  Probably on the ML.15:22
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: interesting, thanks15:22
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Do you have anything?15:23
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mlavalleYesterday I got a nice conversation with edleafe about resource pools in nova15:23
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mlavalleand how they will relate to routed networks15:24
mlavalleI will go today thoroughly thorugh that spec15:24
mlavalleand give my feedback15:24
carl_baldwinmlavalle: excellent!15:24
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carl_baldwinI welcome the feedback from a new perspective.15:24
mlavallealso today I will rebase my segments host mapping patchset and continue work there15:24
mlavallethat's all I have for now15:25
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Thanks.15:25
carl_baldwintidwellr: I think that's all for today.15:25
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tidwellrit's great to see lots of activity on this15:26
tidwellr#topic BGP Dynamic Routing15:26
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tidwellrBGP has finally merged'15:26
tidwellrmlavalle: tell me about it :)15:27
tidwellrthere's still some work to do in cleaning up API tests15:27
* carl_baldwin thinks documentation too. ;)15:28
johnbelamarictidwellr: congratulations!15:28
tidwellryes, that too15:28
tidwellrhad some discussions with armax this week, there's a broader problem of API tests not being very well isolated15:28
tidwellrbasically we think that getting to the point where the devstack is configured to support multiple external networks would go a long way toward isolating the BGP tests15:29
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carl_baldwintidwellr: ++15:30
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tidwellrI'm focused on docs at the moment, but the API tests will need to be revisited soon-ish15:31
tidwellrthat's all I had on this topic15:32
tidwellr#topic DNS15:32
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tidwellrmlavalle: the floor is yours15:32
mlavalleThis week we added/merged unit tests15:32
mlavalleWe discovered 3 bugs and submitted fixed for those too. Also merged yesterday15:33
mlavalleand the doc, in the form of a chapter for the Networking Guide, also merged over the past 12 hours15:34
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: You're a great example to us all!15:34
mlavallecarl_baldwin: no, I am just getting a lot of help from you all :-)15:34
mlavalleThanks also to janzian for his great work with those 3 bugs15:35
mlavalleand the great reviews from carl_baldwin (as always)15:35
janzianYes, thanks carl_baldwin and mlavalle :)15:36
carl_baldwinjanzian: good work15:36
mlavallewe discovered also a bug that is not dns per se, but would be a good quick win. THis is the fix:
yamamotomlavalle: can you provide url of the doc?15:37
carl_baldwinmlavalle: janzian: I took a quick look at it and marked the bug for RC1.15:38
mlavallecarl_baldwin: thanks :-)15:38
yamamotothank you15:38
mlavallethat's all for DNS today15:38
* carl_baldwin goes mobile. Will keep an eye on the meeting as he can.15:38
tidwellrmlavalle: thanks15:38
tidwellr#topic Open Discussion15:39
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tidwellrany topics not discussed that someone would like to bring up?15:39
tidwellrgoing once....15:40
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tidwellrgoing twice.....15:41
tidwellralright, thanks everyone!15:41
mlavallethanks, have a nice day15:41
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etoews#startmeeting api wg16:00
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cdentetoews as far as I can tell we're going to need to make up the agenda as we go as the one there is not really up to date. I was planning to do some reconstruction and didn't get around to it16:00
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etoewsanyone else joining us?16:01
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cdentelmiko is on well deserved holiday in the highlands16:02
cdentI reckon many folk are in the rc-* crunch16:02
etoewsi love the highlands16:02
etoews#topic previous meeting action items16:03
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etoewscdent is a man of action16:05
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etoewsdid you want to give an update on those?16:06
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cdentthe service-types-authority and service-catalog work is proceeding slowly because of release crunch, however sd*ague has put up some initial bits of code for the service-types, enough for us to start moving on that one release crunch has cleared16:08
cdentbknud*son has made a good schema for service catalog that people agree is good, but no further action yet16:09
cdenteverybody was cool with the microversion header changes, and that's been reflected in the in progress guidelines16:09
cdentthe header related guidelines (non-proliferation on the left, don't be redudant on the rigth) are both well received, the former has been announced to cpls, the latter will be soon16:10
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cdentthere a couple guideline reviews which are ready for freeze, which I can do soon16:10
cdent#action: cdent to freeze the reviews sent out earlier this week for cpl review16:11
etoewsthanks for the update to the add reviewers script too.16:11
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etoewsare any of the "new" topics in the meeting wiki still relevant?16:13
etoewsi kind of don't think so16:13
cdentI'm not sure about the magnum thing16:13
etoewsthe only there of interest is
etoewswhich got implemented in
cdentah that reminds me16:16
etoewsit sure got workflow +1'd pretty quick...16:16
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cdentthe microversion interaction describes a 406 response when  version doesn't match, but a response body that doesn't align with the errors guideline16:16
cdentwhich seems a bit of an issue16:16
cdent(I commented on the guideline: )16:18
* etoews looks16:19
etoewshmmm...i see what you mean16:20
etoewsit's also pretty awesome that camel case (versionFault) and underscores (max_version) are mixed in the same body.16:21
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* cdent nods16:22
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etoewsi think we do want that microversion response returning structured data16:24
* cdent nods16:24
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cdentyou should comment that and then either I or alex*xu can fix it16:24
etoewshow do we resolve that with the errors spec though?16:25
etoewshave it still follow the error spec but add those 2 fields?16:26
cdentMaybe I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying "yes, that microversion spec needs to follow the errors spec"16:26
cdentoh I see what you mean16:26
etoewsi wouldn't want to stuff max_version and min_version into detail16:27
cdentI think additional properties in the individual objects in the errors list is okay16:27
cdentin fact in many cases may be required16:28
etoewsme too16:28
* etoews works up an example16:28
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cdenta) that looks correct b) correct is really noisy :)16:31
etoewshey hey it even validates!
etoewsi use computer programs to filter out noise :)16:32
etoewsnoise mostly generated by other computering programs16:33
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etoewsi'll comment on the issue16:33
etoewsreview that is16:33
cdentcool, thanks16:33
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etoews#action etoews to comment on following the errors spec16:36
etoewscdent: thanks for pointing that out16:36
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cdentI need to meditate on "i use computer programs to filter out noise"16:36
cdentbecause it is and always has been a bit of an issue for me16:37
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etoewsmy usual default is to prefer more information than less and filter out what i don't need.16:37
etoewscdent: have you given any more thought to implementing the error spec in ceilometer? (is it ceilometer?)16:38
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cdentI don't really do much on ceilometer any more, and even if I did its api is basically considered legacy so not much change happening there16:39
cdentthe place where I'm exploring the errors guideline is on an experimental facade over the nova api (mostly a learning exercise)16:40
cdentthe gnocchi api would be an interesting place to explore errors and the like, but gnocchi isn't really subscribing to the guidelines in general (at least last I checked)16:41
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etoews#topic guidelines16:43
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etoewscdent: anything to highlight here?16:43
cdentthere are some arguments on and but they are reaching consensus16:45
cdentelmiko was going to resurrect actions guideline but I guess hasn't had a chance yet16:46
cdentthere are hangups on pagination:
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* etoews ganders16:48
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etoewsi'll have to give those a deeper look later16:50
cdentThere's nothing deeply unsettled, except for the actions one, just some consensus building that needs to happen16:51
etoewsanything else in the last few minutes here?16:54
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cdentDon't think so.16:54
cdentThings will pick up again soon.16:54
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etoewsi'll schedule the api wg session at the summit for early monday afternoon. we can change it later if need be.16:55
cdentlet's call it a day16:56
etoewssgtm. thx!16:56
cdentthank you16:56
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docaedo#startmeeting app-catalog17:00
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docaedoCourtesy ping kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb markvan17:00
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docaedoPretty light meeting today, might be over in two shakes17:01
docaedo#topic Status updates17:01
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docaedoFor me, no big status updates from the last week other than I'm planning to run for PTL again :)17:02
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kzaitsev_mbwith the glare thing — I've uploaded a That swithces V1 to glare. It's in a WIP state, since I found there are 2 attributes, that are missing in our schema =)17:03
kzaitsev_mbso I'm planning to udpdate schema and the script for transfer today/tomorrow.17:03
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docaedomarkvan: how goes the integration testing?17:04
markvanfrom me, just the last piece of integartion test job puzzle with this patch:  with that it should be solid17:04
docaedokfox1111: np :) and if it's a timing thing, just wait, next week we're hit with daylight savings again!17:04
kfox1111sorry. I was reviewing kzaitsev's patch.17:04
markvanthen can look to more tests17:04
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kfox1111hehe. stupid daylight savings...17:04
kzaitsev_mbStill no update on public IP for the staging server, though. wonder if Mirantis actually has a pool of IP's. gotta ping the folks around more agressively, I guess )17:04
docaedomarkvan: thanks, this is great stuff to see17:04
docaedokzaitsev_mb: I can donate a VM with 8gb of ram and .. not sure how many cores. With public IP.17:05
docaedoIf you want to send me your public key we can coordinate via email - could get you that VM this morning (thanks IBM!)17:05
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kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: Let's wait till next week and if there would be no update, I would probably ask you to do so )17:06
docaedokzaitsev_mb: ok.  I'll probably be running the glare version of app catalog there anyway, but likely your version will be more up to date - anyway, keep me posted17:06
docaedoAny objections to me merging this morning?17:07
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kfox1111docaedo: looks like kzaitsev had a comment on it.17:09
kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: not really. should work just fine. I'm just usually a bit over-worried about shell script tidiness/correctness =)17:09
docaedoI won't rush it then :) give markvan time to respond17:09
docaedoAny other status updates?17:10
kfox1111looks ok to me.17:10
markvannot from me right now17:10
kzaitsev_mbI've talked with Omar, and he's going to rething his UI-glare commits with angular.17:11
kfox1111ok. cool. thanks.17:11
docaedocool that's good to hear17:12
docaedomoving on to...17:12
docaedo#topic Open discussion17:12
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docaedoInteresting thread on dev that has an impact on app-catalog-ui, and potentially app-catalog if we end up marrying the two very closely17:13
kzaitsev_mblooks like our Openstack Bot is not aware of reviews he already set up.17:13
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kfox1111docaedo: I responded to the thread at one point, and tagged it with [app-catalog] but no one responded to it.17:14
kzaitsev_mbthese two commits seem exactly the same. Probably it would require a bit more tinkering to checkout the latest 'Detect dead links' commit and work on top of it, like req updater does17:16
docaedokfox1111: I've been following, and saw that you were on it. My only thoughts on the matter don't really impact the bigger issue (how will horizon codebase handle xstatic)17:16
docaedokzaitsev_mb: yes - the expectation is that I will move quicker when the bot detects a dead link, just got caught out yesterday and never managed to circle back to that as I expected17:17
kfox1111yeah, I haven't been following it too closely either. just wanted to let them know horizon wasn't the only one.17:17
kfox1111I'm guessing there will be a work session at the summit related to it, and17:17
docaedonormally the volume of dead links found should be virtually nonexistent, at least with the size of the catalog now. It will have to be handled differently when we switch to glare anyway17:18
kfox1111I think we need to discuss with hrizon sharing more code anyway.17:18
docaedokfox1111: I agree - I think it makes more sense for the app-catalog-ui work to head towards being a native component of Horizon, leaving the app-catalog web site to grow on it's own17:19
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docaedobut good topic for debate at the summit, see if there's even a possibility of that ever happening17:19
kfox1111no, not quite what ai meant.17:19
kfox1111I think some of horizon's angular stuff is useful outside of horizon, and that we will want to use it on
kfox1111the horizon angular smart table stuff is really nice for example.17:20
kfox1111I'd like to see it broken out into its own standalone library.17:20
docaedoI think there's some value there, but I'm also (and always have been) leery of making the app-catalog web site be tied to the horizon project - so I agree as long as it doesn't get hung up in/by horizon development17:21
kfox1111yeah. agreed.17:21
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kfox1111we don't want to be restricted by horizon, but reusing a lot of the work on development if we can use it.17:22
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kfox1111since we have so few devs, any saved work will mean we can do more.17:23
docaedoI think there's a good chance we'll see an uptick in interested contributors soon at least - I'm working with the app developer ecosystem work group (or called SOMETHING like that) and we're trying to get app devs connected back here17:24
docaedoI'm also still trying to figure out the best way to start a thread (and even the right mailing list to start it on) regarding defining what an openstack app is exactly (and from there, how best to package and distribute it)17:24
kfox1111+1. I can help with that.17:24
docaedoProbably the biggest issue we have right now IMO is that we're talking to openstack service developers about openstack apps, and we have not really gotten good feedback or even useful interest, and it's largely due to perspective I believe17:25
docaedoI'd hoped engaging the operators group would lead to more exposure, but they really have a different mission17:25
kfox1111its because their definition of "user" doesn't include openstack app developers17:25
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kfox1111or what I've been calling cloud devs.17:26
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docaedoso .. yeah, I'm goign to focus on exposure for us from other people - as you've noted kfox1111, there's a real disconnect of how devs making openstack services define users, and how users of OpenStack clouds define users17:26
kfox1111yeah. I've seen a lot of ops work against the app writer use case too.17:26
kfox1111alot of ops only consider their current, emediate users, not future users that are not CS savy.17:27
* kfox1111 nods17:27
docaedotrue - and there's also a much broader spectrum that can be served by an "app store" and I don't think the app catalog can satisfy every case17:28
docaedoi.e. atomic apps intended for non-tech-savvy users is a different audience than a cloud-aware automatically scaling app-stack that you could build with heat17:29
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kfox1111its even more important for a non-tech-savvy user to be able to launch an autoscaling app.17:30
kfox1111since its not in their capability to manually scale it.17:30
kfox1111its really the same use case.17:30
docaedoI would agree, but that's served best by a PaaS, not vanilla OpenStack.17:31
kfox1111-1 again. pass is for developers.17:31
docaedoMurano, OpenShift, Cloud Foundry - they attack that case17:31
kfox1111openstack apps are more "software as a service" kind of level. "I want foo", you click, launch, and you have a foo.17:31
docaedohow would you package and deliver a complicated autoscaling app for a non tech savvy user?17:31
kfox1111sahara's like that. trove's like that already.17:32
kfox1111heat/murano, added to the app catalog,17:32
kfox1111and then they just "launch" from there.17:32
kfox1111just like you would do for the android market.17:32
kfox1111the app catalog should let you find it, help you install the pieces you need local to the cloud for it to run, and then let you launch one.17:33
docaedobut android app is a radically different use case than a production-grade service living in a cloud - would it make sense for someone to stand up something complicated without any awareness of how to manage it, and count on that for the long term?17:33
kfox1111so far, while a little rough around the edges, the app catalog horizon plugin does all of that today.17:33
kfox1111while a cloud scaled app is archetected differently then a phone app,17:34
kfox1111thats an implementation detail. why does it matter that its more fault tollerant?17:34
kfox1111owncloud is one example. if its to be used as intended,17:35
kfox1111everyone should get their own instance, and it should be pretty much self contained and easily updated.17:35
docaedophone apps dont live long, and generally have all their data held elsewhere so the app is little more than a front-end17:35
kfox1111what it really is missing is a very very simple way to just launch one.17:35
kfox1111webapps can be too. not sure I see the difference.17:36
kfox1111I have users that launch a heat template for a web based R studio thingy.17:36
kfox1111they run it when they need it, and hit delete when their done with it. then the next day do the same thing.17:36
docaedoDifference is someone on the other side of that app is handling the persistence layer, and maintaining it over time (make sure the DB server is backed up, doesn't run out of space, etc.)17:36
kfox1111they don't have to be heavy weight. we just have always thought about them that way.17:36
kfox1111if appropriatly written, the cloud scaled app handles that stuff...17:37
kfox1111it uses swift, so it has basically infinite storage, auto yum upgrades, etc.17:37
kfox1111or has task as a service hooks to help with major upgrades, vm resizes, etc.17:38
docaedoFair enough, though I've never see a cloud scaled app that doesn't need help and knowledge from an experienced sysadmin eventually17:38
docaedobut I think a debate like this would be useful on the mailing list17:39
kfox1111yeah. because the infrastructure isn't proper yet. :/17:39
kfox1111no heat conditonals, etc. ;)17:39
docaedo(WHICH list though?? probably not openstack-dev) ..17:39
kfox1111yeah. hard call. its not an op or a regular dev thing.17:40
docaedokfox1111: are you on defcore and the users list?17:40
kfox1111neither i think.17:40
kfox1111probably shoudl be.17:40
kfox1111let me know which list you will post to before you do, and I'll make sure I'm subscribed.17:40
docaedoI'll probably commit a cardinal sin and cross-post to both those lists17:41
docaedothey're SUPER low volume, so I would encourage everyone to subscribe17:41
kfox1111k. I'll do both.17:42
docaedoI think we can wrap up and get our noses back to our respective grindstones?17:42
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kfox1111gota head to another meeting. will subscribe when I get back.17:42
kfox1111yup. :)17:43
docaedothanks you guys - talk to you all later on!17:43
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SumitNaiksatamhi there tbachman17:52
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!17:52
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tbachmanivar-lazzaro: hi!17:52
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SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: rkukura igordcard_ tbachman: hi18:00
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:00
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SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:00
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda
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SumitNaiksatamstarting with the standing items -18:02
SumitNaiksatamas for bugs I dont think there was any major activity last week18:02
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: hi18:02
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything new to discuss on the packaging?18:03
rkukurano update this week18:03
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you were going to find out and tell me if the non-date based versioning is required for RHEL packaging (mitaka)18:04
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SumitNaiksatambased on that i can release dev milestone18:04
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: yes, but never got a response, and haven’t followed up yet18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sure np, whenever you have info let me know18:05
SumitNaiksatam#topic Addition of status attributes18:05
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: OK18:05
SumitNaiksatamspec #link
SumitNaiksatamimpl #link
SumitNaiksatamso the implementation is ready, would appreciate if the team can review18:06
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SumitNaiksatamthis does not do anything to the drivers, just adds to the API and DB layers18:07
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SumitNaiksatamhad to change the UT strategy a little bit since these attributes cannot be set from the API18:07
SumitNaiksatamso had to do direct DB testing18:07
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Are you sure we’d want to store this in the DB?18:08
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yes, i dont think we can make assumptions on how the backend wil handle this18:09
rkukuraI’d think drivers would need to get it on demand, each time a get of the resource was processed18:09
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rkukuraI don’t think we can assume async changes to status will find their way into these db tables18:09
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: why not?18:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: this is the standard way of processing status in other openstack projects18:10
rkukuraIf the backend has its own DB with status in it (which might be asynchronously updated), the policy driver would want to return that, not copy it into the plugin’s db table18:12
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i think if a particular implementation wants to always pull from the backend, then plugin get method can be overriden18:12
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I don’t think policy drivers have a way to do that18:12
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: the plugin would have to do that18:13
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: but there is no reason to not have this for the default case18:13
rkukuramaybe we need a way for the plugin to call the drivers to get the status18:13
SumitNaiksatamfor instance neutron will always notify of state changes18:13
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rkukurawith multiple drivers, which is responsible for updating the status in the plugin’s tables? How would these get composed?18:14
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: that logic would have to go into the plugin18:15
SumitNaiksatambut that is regardless of whether the status is persisted in the DB or not18:15
rkukurasure, the plugin would need to compose status from each of the drivers18:15
rkukurafor that, it seems better to get status from each of the drivers18:16
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yes, any time composition has to be done, it would probably have to be done in the DB layer18:16
rkukuranot sure I agree18:16
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: at this point i am not trying to solve this composition problem though18:16
SumitNaiksatami know we have to tried to address this in the past in neutron in various different contexts18:17
rkukuraI understand that, but we’ve had some discussion of this same topic for ML218:17
SumitNaiksatamthere some in the context of DVR and FWaaS as well18:18
hemanthraviare there cases where the driver doesn't have storage18:18
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: in theory yes18:19
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: this would be the case where the driver is leveraging the GBP model to store the state18:19
hemanthraviSumitNaiksatam, in that case you'll need the plugin to compose and store the status18:20
SumitNaiksatamand which, one can argue, is being addressed with this basic implementation18:20
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: right18:20
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I have not reviewed either of these yet, but would like to look at how the policy drivers are intended to update this status. They gererally do not have direct access to the plugin’s DB models, right?18:20
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: hmmm, why not?18:21
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: not sure i completely understood what you meant by “direct access”18:22
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rkukuraMy thinking is based more on ML2, but we’ve tried to follow the same general driver pattern in GBP. In ML2, we really expect each driver to see the exact state that eventually gets returned to the caller. Clearly GBP is different in this regard.18:25
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah, i agree, GBP could be in different in cases18:25
SumitNaiksatamany other thoughts/questions on this?18:26
rkukuraMaybe we should change GBP to not have a list of policy drivers, but instead have a single one, and move the IPD to something that happens before the policy driver precommit/postcommit phases18:26
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i had similar thoughts as well18:26
SumitNaiksatamat least in the case of IPD18:27
rkukurayes, lots of issue would be resolved if we could do the IPD work before the main GBP transaction18:27
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: in the new async driver, the IPD is collapsed on the “other” policy driver18:28
rkukurabut a single PD would avoid the issue of having to merge status18:28
SumitNaiksatamon -> in18:28
ivar-lazzarothere's also the service chain driver18:28
rkukuraI’d still argue that, with a single PD model, we should get the state from the PD (which building the resource dictionary) rather than require it to be in the DB.18:29
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: but that gets called from the service chain plugin, right?18:29
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: not that, I mean the sc mapping driver, the one that creates SC resources depending on GBP model18:29
rkukuraivar-lazzaro: would any of the potentially influence the status of the GBP resource?18:30
ivar-lazzarothis guy:
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:30
ivar-lazzarorkukura: well yeah, if a SCI fails to get created a Policy Rule will be down18:30
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: if i recall this was initially part of RMD and later factored out?18:30
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:31
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SumitNaiksatamso in theory we can always come up with up a design that will help to compose the status by reading from different drivers18:31
SumitNaiksatambut the simpler to implement solution seems to be address it via one driver18:32
hemanthravihow can the state be updated based on an async event, for eg when a network service vm is operational18:32
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I still have concerns about needing to push async status into the GBP DB vs. pull it from a backend DB as needed, but we can discuss that offline18:32
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:33
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: by listening to the appropriate notification?18:33
hemanthraviin that case it's not being pulled from the driver18:34
ivar-lazzaropulling it from the backed will slow down all the GETs though18:34
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: we are not precluding the possibility of pulling from the DB backend18:34
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i agree18:34
ivar-lazzarowhich might not even be a huge problem in facrt18:34
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i guess the more relevant point is that it might not be needed in some cases18:35
SumitNaiksatamand it might be in others18:35
rkukuraI’m not clear where this pull would occur, but we can discuss that offline18:35
rkukuraor in the review(s)18:35
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:35
SumitNaiksatamthanks for the discussion here18:36
SumitNaiksatam#topic Other Design Specs18:36
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: updated #link earlier today18:36
SumitNaiksatambut i havent gotten a chance to take a look18:36
* tbachman goes to rebase his patch18:36
hemanthraviSumitNaiksatam, updated most of the comments except for the HA related one and updating the diag18:37
SumitNaiksatamwe can discuss here if anyone got to it18:37
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: okay thanks18:37
hemanthravihoping to have the impl patches posted early next week18:37
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: okay nice18:37
SumitNaiksatamI think igordcard_ #link also updated his spec18:38
hemanthravipatchset 12, 13 should be same18:38
SumitNaiksatamand i posted a comment that if we are doing this in a feature branch, we can mention that in the spec, and approve this spec once that is done18:38
SumitNaiksatamlet me know if anyone disagrees with that18:39
SumitNaiksatamthe spec would be experimental in that sense, and based on the experience with implementing it in the feature branch, we can update the spec if required18:39
SumitNaiksatamnot sure if igordcard_ is around18:40
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:40
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SumitNaiksatamoh igordcard_ just sent me a message saying he is having connectivity issues18:40
SumitNaiksatamthe following workshop proposed by the team got accepted for the Austin summit #link
SumitNaiksatamwe had some offline discussions on how to go about this18:41
SumitNaiksatamif you have any thoughts/suggestions and would like to participate, please let me know18:42
SumitNaiksatamanyone else have anything else for today?18:43
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SumitNaiksatamalright, thanks everyone for joining, see you next week!18:44
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rkukurathanks SumitNaiksatam!18:44
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for joining18:46
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openstackDevonBoatwright: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'21:30
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DevonBoatwright#startmeeting OpsGuide21:31
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 10 21:31:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:31
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DevonBoatwrightHey there21:31
DevonBoatwrightIs anyone else here?21:31
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DevonBoatwrightI'm hoping I have the right time for this meeting?21:33
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DevonBoatwrightOh yay! It was a little lonely in here21:38
DevonBoatwrightWaiting on others I guess..21:38
DevonBoatwrightShilla won't be here. Vic said he won't be here.21:38
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DevonBoatwright#topic action items from the previous meeting21:47
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njohnstonI do apologize, I have nothing to contribute.  But I am here for moral support!21:48
njohnston"Yay team!"21:48
DevonBoatwrightLOL. The last meeting only had Darrenc and I. He did most of the talking.21:48
DevonBoatwrightHe went over the bug smash and provided a link and dates for me.21:48
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darrenchi everyone21:49
darrencsorry I was in another meeting21:49
DevonBoatwrightThat's ok.. we're kind of just getting started21:50
darrencand I have to heading to another meeting in 5 minutes21:50
darrencno worries21:50
DevonBoatwrightWe're just talking about action items from the last meeting. I can move on though to talk about other stuff21:50
DevonBoatwright#topic Arch Guide: 3 bugs in progress during the OpenStack bug smash21:50
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darrencYep, so Brian Moss and I attend the bug bash in Sydney21:51
darrencand I partially knocked over 2 arch guide bugs21:51
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darrencand Brian has one in flight21:51
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DevonBoatwrightOk. That seems cool!21:52
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darrencxavpaice will work on completing the bugs I started21:52
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darrencsince it requires someone with cloud arch knowledge21:53
DevonBoatwrightI have on the agenda that there is a patch in review? Is that a new topic?21:53
darrencrelated to the same topic21:53
darrencjust need some eyes to review it21:53
darrencHow are you going with the network bug?21:54
DevonBoatwrightI have been working on it. It's definitely a learning experience. What is the deadline for it?21:55
darrencno firm deadline, but it would be nice to have it merged before the mitaka release21:55
DevonBoatwrightok. That's fine21:56
darrencwhich is less than a month away21:56
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DevonBoatwrightok. I can finish it partially by the end of next week, I think.21:57
darrencgreat, ping me if you need help :)21:57
DevonBoatwrightThanks! :)21:58
DevonBoatwrightI have a subtopic about SMEs to write Functional Requirements, Cloud architecture examples, User Requirements chapters21:58
DevonBoatwrightIs there anything to address with that topic? Otherwise I will move to the next topic.21:59
darrencyes the challenge is finding people to write about that21:59
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darrencDo you know of any cloud architects who could contribute to the guide?21:59
DevonBoatwrightHm.. I actually don't know. I would err on the side of maybe not?22:00
DevonBoatwrightI can keep my ears open, though.22:00
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darrencok, me too22:00
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darrencok, sorry I need to head to my next meeting22:01
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DevonBoatwrightok.  no problem.22:01
DevonBoatwrightThanks for coming in for a minuute!!22:01
darrencthe only thing I'll mention is that the ops guide is being converted22:01
darrencthe tracking page is here:
darrencanyway, gotta go22:02
darrencsee you later! o/22:03
DevonBoatwrightok. Thanks!22:03
DevonBoatwrightSee ya22:03
DevonBoatwright#topic ops guide22:03
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DevonBoatwrightSo the subtopic in the agenda is the conversion in progress due to content updates22:05
DevonBoatwrightAnd there's this link:
DevonBoatwrightAnd this link:
DevonBoatwrightand this link:
DevonBoatwrightSo I'm not sure what to say more than present this information in the chat room. Anyone have anything to contribute about this topic?22:08
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DevonBoatwrightIt looks like the first link is merged and the second one is the same as the one darrenc sent a moment ago.22:09
DevonBoatwrightok. So. I'll move on. It looks like this was the last thing on the agenda.22:11
DevonBoatwrightDoes anyone have anything else they want to talk about?22:12
DevonBoatwrightWell, if it's okay, I can just end the meeting a few minutes early22:14
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