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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 14:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:01 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hi folks | 14:01 |
| pgadiya_ | hello | 14:01 |
| Poornima | Hi everyone | 14:01 |
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| esikachev | hi | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | Hello Poornima, welcome | 14:01 |
| mionkin | hi | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 14:01 |
| Poornima | crobertsrh, Finally saw you after a long time :) | 14:02 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, our timezones don't overlap much :) | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | we need to enable chair ha mode, who can be additional chair? | 14:02 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
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| crobertsrh | vgridnev: I can | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | #chair crobertsrh | 14:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: crobertsrh vgridnev | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | so, let's start | 14:03 |
| Poornima | :) | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | #topic | 14:03 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| vgridnev | #undo | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| vgridnev | any news folks? | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | I've mostly been going through the UI, poking at it to shake out bugs since the re-org | 14:04 |
| esikachev | working on sahara-nightly jobs, testing ambari ha | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | no updates from me | 14:04 |
| esikachev | update framework also) | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | I'm testing sahara right now, we've got some bugs in UI side | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, could please post a link to bug with node groups? | 14:05 |
| Poornima | looking in API v2 test shared by elmiko | 14:05 |
| pgadiya_ | same as Poornima | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | I'll take a look at anything you've written up. I should be able to help fix some. | 14:05 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: sure | 14:05 |
| Poornima | pgadiya_, :P | 14:05 |
| pgadiya_ | and setting up env for dev | 14:05 |
| esikachev | bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1555496 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555496 in Sahara "[UI] Cannot update nodegroups" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: ^ | 14:06 |
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| vgridnev | thanks esikachev | 14:06 |
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| crobertsrh | Poornima, pgadiya_: Definitely ask questions if you get stuck on something. | 14:07 |
| pgadiya_ | sure crobertsrh | 14:07 |
| Poornima | sure crobertsrh | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | any news / updates? | 14:07 |
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| vgridnev | uh, it looks like stable/mitaka was created for saharaclient | 14:08 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I saw that :) | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | do we have action items from last meeting? | 14:09 |
| crobertsrh | I might have missed last week's meeting, so I don't recall | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | ok, let's move to FFEs | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | #topic FFEs | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FFEs (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| crobertsrh | I see a new request for MapR 5.1.0 | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | yeah, me too | 14:11 |
| Poornima | crobertsrh, vgridnev where do we need to subscribe for FFE's | 14:11 |
| crobertsrh | Typically, we seem to be fairly lenient on all things MapR | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | actually I don't have any objections on this one, I guess it can be granted | 14:11 |
| crobertsrh | Poornima: The mailing list openstack-dev | 14:12 |
| * Poornima is subscribed to it | 14:12 | |
| Poornima | thanks crobertsrh | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | If you have a filter for [Sahara] in the subject, it'll catch all thing sahara-related | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | This request is from just this morning | 14:12 |
| Poornima | sure will set the filter right way | 14:12 |
| Poornima | pgadiya, ^^ | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | I think I would lean toward granting the FFE for MapR 5.1.0. | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | sreshetnyak, do you have objections on this one? | 14:13 |
| crobertsrh | Good feature to have and it's unlikely to have any chance of breaking anything else. | 14:13 |
| tosky | apart from MapR itself | 14:14 |
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| vgridnev | ok, I've added that to ether pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-mitaka-ff | 14:15 |
| sreshetnyak | no objections from my side, but need to send email to openstack-dev with FFE request | 14:15 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, the email has already been sent | 14:16 |
| sreshetnyak | nice, I see | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | about resume stuff, it still on review with -1 | 14:17 |
| huichun | vgridnev: I will update today | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | ok, anything else in this topic? | 14:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:19 |
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| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:19 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | Poornima, pgadiya any news in here? | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | or we can't move to the next topic? | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | can* | 14:20 |
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| Poornima | vgridnev, we are going through this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:21 |
| pgadiya | we have taken 3 tasks from the lists https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:21 |
| pgadiya | once the environment setup is completed, we will move ahead with the changes | 14:21 |
| crobertsrh | Excellent | 14:21 |
| Poornima | thanks pgadiya u saved my typing efforts:P | 14:22 |
| Poornima | folks thats it from us at the moment | 14:22 |
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| vgridnev | thanks! | 14:22 |
| vgridnev | #topic Scenario tests releases and launchpad project | 14:23 |
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| esikachev | good | 14:23 |
| esikachev | we are discussed this with Mirantis local sahara-team yesterday and arrived the conclusion "need release sahara-tests like saharaclient and need create separated project on Launchpad". any ideas, objections? | 14:23 |
| crobertsrh | A separate project might be reasonable, but it could actually result in fewer people paying attention to seeing the bugs reported there. | 14:24 |
| crobertsrh | I'm +1 on the idea though, just noting that it'll be a little extra effort to see some of the bugs in the separate launchpad. | 14:25 |
| esikachev | crobertsrh: i will announce this bugs on meetings) | 14:25 |
| crobertsrh | heh, ok :) | 14:25 |
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| esikachev | if no objections, i will create a Launchpad project | 14:26 |
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| esikachev | in the near future | 14:26 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 14:26 |
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| esikachev | thats all from me | 14:27 |
| huichun | esikachev: tempest tests are also move this project? | 14:27 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, just for sure: i think that sahara bug management should be at least included to management team in this project | 14:27 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: yes | 14:27 |
| esikachev | huichun: tempest tests have not releases | 14:28 |
| esikachev | ops | 14:28 |
| esikachev | sahara-tests? | 14:28 |
| Poornima | huichun, what all tempest test are included where can we check those ? | 14:28 |
| esikachev | huichun: sahara tempest tests? | 14:28 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, have you started migration of tempest tests to sahara-tests? | 14:29 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: not yet, sorry | 14:31 |
| tosky | vgridnev: I have only one question related to the history | 14:31 |
| tosky | right now, when people do such operations, they simply put the last version of the code to be moved in a review | 14:32 |
| tosky | now, given that I'm the one who complained for keeping the history when sahara-tests was created (thanks again esikachev for that work!) | 14:32 |
| tosky | I was wondering if I should ask infra if it's possible to have another import, but it seems difficult | 14:33 |
| tosky | another possibility would be to just put all the relevant commits as reviews - they shouldn't be too much | 14:33 |
| tosky | or we can simply ignore the problem and import the code as it is, without history | 14:33 |
| tosky | as you prefer, I accept any advice, and then I will operate accordingly | 14:34 |
| * tosky breathes again | 14:34 | |
| crobertsrh | heh | 14:34 |
| esikachev | good question | 14:34 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, as far I know we did that import using filter branch, right? I think, if we will have small amount of commits we can propose that as reviews, otherwise we will need push permissions from SergeyLukjanov, maybe | 14:35 |
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| esikachev | yes, we are use the #links https://github.com/esikachev/git-splits | 14:36 |
| huichun | esikachev: i mean to to tosky 's migration of tempest tests | 14:37 |
| vgridnev | I think that we can return to this topic when SergeyLukjanov will be around, to be sure that is still possible | 14:37 |
| esikachev | one way is a separate only "tempest" folder | 14:37 |
| tosky | I will prepare the filtered history and see how many commits are there | 14:37 |
| tosky | if they are around on the size of 10 or so, I will just push reviews :) | 14:38 |
| esikachev | yes, let's wait of PTL) | 14:38 |
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| vgridnev | ok, let's move to open discussions | 14:39 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:39 |
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| esikachev | vgridnev: Nightly Jobs? | 14:39 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 14:40 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Sahara nightly jobs | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sahara nightly jobs (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:40 | |
| esikachev | thanks) | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, anything to discuss in this topic? | 14:40 |
| esikachev | we are working on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288015/ | 14:40 |
| esikachev | but we have a ONE problem. trigger by time not triggered | 14:41 |
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| esikachev | do you have a ideas? | 14:41 |
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| huichun | esikachev: what is the difference between the scenario-tests and the nightly jobs? Run different tests? | 14:42 |
| esikachev | huichun: Now there is no difference | 14:42 |
| esikachev | but i am working on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285663/ | 14:42 |
| esikachev | and other scenarios for nightly builds | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | nigthly job will triggered at some time each day to understand full picture of how sahara is working | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | huichun, ^^ | 14:43 |
| crobertsrh | Are we expecting the nightly jobs to be more "stable"? | 14:43 |
| esikachev | this will be the most full set of tests | 14:43 |
| huichun | vgridnev: clearly ^^ thx VG | 14:43 |
| esikachev | crobertsrh: yes | 14:44 |
| vgridnev | I bet we don't have experts in infra right now | 14:44 |
| tosky | are there enough resources on the Sahara CI? | 14:44 |
| vgridnev | :( | 14:44 |
| tosky | sometimes jobs are a bit stuck in the queue when there are many reviews | 14:44 |
| tosky | it is true that during European night time the queue is more empty, but still | 14:45 |
| tosky | if there are enough resources, of course no objection for more jobs | 14:46 |
| vgridnev | as far as know at European night queue is almost empty. esikachev, am I right? | 14:46 |
| esikachev | if you want to be notified about results from nightly jobs, send me a message on esikachev@mirantis.com and i am add you email to jennkins | 14:46 |
| tosky | where will the results be sent, as those jobs are not tied to reviews? | 14:46 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: yes | 14:46 |
| tosky | oh, adhoc notification | 14:46 |
| esikachev | in 3:00am is empty | 14:46 |
| esikachev | Moscow time | 14:47 |
| vgridnev | ok, we have 13 min, let's move on | 14:47 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:47 |
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| vgridnev | anything else that we can discuss? | 14:48 |
| crobertsrh | Has everyone heard about their Summit talk submissions? | 14:48 |
| crobertsrh | I believe that elmiko had a talk that got accepted. | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | yeah, I heard that NikitaKonovalov got two talks approved | 14:48 |
| crobertsrh | I think tmckay had a talk that was put on the "alternate" list | 14:49 |
| vgridnev | one of that with elmiko, as far I know | 14:49 |
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| crobertsrh | Nothing else from me | 14:50 |
| esikachev | from me too | 14:50 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 to end meeting | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | ok then | 14:51 |
| huichun | +1 | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | thanks folks for attending | 14:51 |
| huichun | Thx VG | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 14:51:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-10-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-10-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-10-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
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| tidwellr | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 15:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:02 |
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| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:02 |
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| tidwellr | any announcements from the team? | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Summit talk acceptances were sent out earlier this week | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Mitaka is closing fast | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we got a number of of talks from this team accepted. | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | yes, there seemed to be a lot of L3-related talks accepted | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | ++ | 15:05 |
| tidwellr | if nothing else, let's move on | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| tidwellr | seeing as Mitaka is closing fast, I wonder how many of these bugs will have fixes make it into Mitaka | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Are any targetted at RC1 right now? | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ? | 15:07 |
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| tidwellr | looking | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: 'targeted to milestone' yes | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | this one is specifically mitaka-1 RC1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | Pavel is assigned to it | 15:09 |
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| tidwellr | looks like it's just those 2 | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I meant to follow up on this one this week but I've been in all day meetings. | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes, pavel_bondar is out-of-office for another week. he spent quite a bit of time on it, but said he thinks we have to revert the change we made to go to "compare and swap" method. | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | Basically, the compare-and-swap method fails more often than the original | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | is my understanding | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | The proposed fixed, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287811/, is still marked with workflow -1 | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: We need think about that. Compare and swap was the fix for another bug. So, reverting would put us back to where we started. Maybe I can get a second set of eyes on it. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin to get a second set of eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:13 |
| johnbelamaric | yeah, understood. the compare-and-swap was a fix for a bug when using Galera. Yes, if someone else can take a look that would be helpful - I don't have the time now | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks. | 15:13 |
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| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1554825 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554825 in neutron "get_isolated_subnets does not return latest results" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Shih-Hao Li (shihli) | 15:14 |
| tidwellr | this one was tagged as rc1 | 15:14 |
| * carl_baldwin looking... | 15:14 | |
| tidwellr | looks new | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | yeah, hasn't seen it before | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Yep, I can review today. | 15:15 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:16 |
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| tidwellr | alright, I think we can move on from bugs | 15:16 |
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| tidwellr | there are a number of RFE's, mostly BGP-related | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | I need to look at those, no need to discuss right now | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | #topic Routed Networks | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | HI | 15:18 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: how is this going? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | We've got a good start but meetings this week have prevented me from working on it at all. :( | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I had something for you. Did I send you an email about segments (cuz I meant to.) | 15:19 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I don't thinks so - unless you mean #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1544768 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544768 in neutron "[RFE] Differentiate between service and floating subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thats part of it. | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: but i haven't had a chance to look at that closely yet | 15:20 |
| * carl_baldwin guesses he didn't actually send the email yet. | 15:21 | |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I'll send it. I'd like to get your perspective. | 15:21 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok, no problem | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Not only may subnets have different types for different purposes with bug 1544768, they will also associate with segments with the routed networks work. | 15:22 |
| openstack | bug 1544768 in neutron "[RFE] Differentiate between service and floating subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544768 - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will start discussion with johnbelamaric . Probably on the ML. | 15:22 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: interesting, thanks | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Do you have anything? | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | yes | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | Yesterday I got a nice conversation with edleafe about resource pools in nova | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | and how they will relate to routed networks | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I will go today thoroughly thorugh that spec | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | and give my feedback | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: excellent! | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | I welcome the feedback from a new perspective. | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | also today I will rebase my segments host mapping patchset and continue work there | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have for now | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I think that's all for today. | 15:25 |
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| tidwellr | it's great to see lots of activity on this | 15:26 |
| tidwellr | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:26 |
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| tidwellr | BGP has finally merged' | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | yaay! | 15:27 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: tell me about it :) | 15:27 |
| tidwellr | there's still some work to do in cleaning up API tests | 15:27 |
| * carl_baldwin thinks documentation too. ;) | 15:28 | |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: congratulations! | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | yes, that too | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | had some discussions with armax this week, there's a broader problem of API tests not being very well isolated | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | basically we think that getting to the point where the devstack is configured to support multiple external networks would go a long way toward isolating the BGP tests | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: ++ | 15:30 |
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| tidwellr | I'm focused on docs at the moment, but the API tests will need to be revisited soon-ish | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | that's all I had on this topic | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | #topic DNS | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: the floor is yours | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | This week we added/merged unit tests | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | We discovered 3 bugs and submitted fixed for those too. Also merged yesterday | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | \o/ | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | and the doc, in the form of a chapter for the Networking Guide, also merged over the past 12 hours | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | nice | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: You're a great example to us all! | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | ++ | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: no, I am just getting a lot of help from you all :-) | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Thanks also to janzian for his great work with those 3 bugs | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | and the great reviews from carl_baldwin (as always) | 15:35 |
| janzian | Yes, thanks carl_baldwin and mlavalle :) | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | janzian: good work | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | we discovered also a bug that is not dns per se, but would be a good quick win. THis is the fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277597/ | 15:36 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: can you provide url of the doc? | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: janzian: I took a quick look at it and marked the bug for RC1. | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280957/ | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: thanks :-) | 15:38 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | that's all for DNS today | 15:38 |
| * carl_baldwin goes mobile. Will keep an eye on the meeting as he can. | 15:38 | |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks | 15:38 |
| tidwellr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:39 | |
| tidwellr | any topics not discussed that someone would like to bring up? | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | going once.... | 15:40 |
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| tidwellr | going twice..... | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | alright, thanks everyone! | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | thanks, have a nice day | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 15:42:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-10-15.00.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-10-15.00.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-10-15.00.log.html | 15:42 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 16:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| cdent | etoews as far as I can tell we're going to need to make up the agenda as we go as the one there is not really up to date. I was planning to do some reconstruction and didn't get around to it | 16:00 |
| etoews | np | 16:00 |
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| etoews | anyone else joining us? | 16:01 |
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| cdent | elmiko is on well deserved holiday in the highlands | 16:02 |
| cdent | I reckon many folk are in the rc-* crunch | 16:02 |
| etoews | i love the highlands | 16:02 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
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| * etoews goes to dig out previous meeting link | 16:03 | |
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| cdent | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-02-25-16.00.html | 16:03 |
| etoews | :) | 16:04 |
| etoews | cdent is a man of action | 16:05 |
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| etoews | did you want to give an update on those? | 16:06 |
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| * cdent tries to summarize | 16:07 | |
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| cdent | the service-types-authority and service-catalog work is proceeding slowly because of release crunch, however sd*ague has put up some initial bits of code for the service-types, enough for us to start moving on that one release crunch has cleared | 16:08 |
| cdent | bknud*son has made a good schema for service catalog that people agree is good, but no further action yet | 16:09 |
| cdent | everybody was cool with the microversion header changes, and that's been reflected in the in progress guidelines | 16:09 |
| cdent | the header related guidelines (non-proliferation on the left, don't be redudant on the rigth) are both well received, the former has been announced to cpls, the latter will be soon | 16:10 |
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| cdent | there a couple guideline reviews which are ready for freeze, which I can do soon | 16:10 |
| cdent | #action: cdent to freeze the reviews sent out earlier this week for cpl review | 16:11 |
| etoews | nice | 16:11 |
| etoews | thanks for the update to the add reviewers script too. | 16:11 |
| cdent | EOF | 16:11 |
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| etoews | are any of the "new" topics in the meeting wiki still relevant? | 16:13 |
| etoews | i kind of don't think so | 16:13 |
| cdent | I'm not sure about the magnum thing | 16:13 |
| etoews | the only there of interest is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/standardised-error-messages | 16:15 |
| etoews | which got implemented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287269/ | 16:15 |
| cdent | ah that reminds me | 16:16 |
| etoews | it sure got workflow +1'd pretty quick... | 16:16 |
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| cdent | the microversion interaction describes a 406 response when version doesn't match, but a response body that doesn't align with the errors guideline | 16:16 |
| cdent | which seems a bit of an issue | 16:16 |
| cdent | (I commented on the guideline: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/ ) | 16:18 |
| * etoews looks | 16:19 | |
| etoews | hmmm...i see what you mean | 16:20 |
| etoews | it's also pretty awesome that camel case (versionFault) and underscores (max_version) are mixed in the same body. | 16:21 |
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| * cdent nods | 16:22 | |
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| etoews | i think we do want that microversion response returning structured data | 16:24 |
| * cdent nods | 16:24 | |
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| cdent | you should comment that and then either I or alex*xu can fix it | 16:24 |
| etoews | how do we resolve that with the errors spec though? | 16:25 |
| etoews | have it still follow the error spec but add those 2 fields? | 16:26 |
| cdent | Maybe I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying "yes, that microversion spec needs to follow the errors spec" | 16:26 |
| cdent | oh I see what you mean | 16:26 |
| cdent | Hmmm. | 16:26 |
| etoews | i wouldn't want to stuff max_version and min_version into detail | 16:27 |
| cdent | I think additional properties in the individual objects in the errors list is okay | 16:27 |
| cdent | in fact in many cases may be required | 16:28 |
| etoews | me too | 16:28 |
| * etoews works up an example | 16:28 | |
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| etoews | http://paste.openstack.org/show/490029/ | 16:31 |
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| cdent | a) that looks correct b) correct is really noisy :) | 16:31 |
| etoews | hey hey it even validates! http://jsonschemalint.com/draft4/ | 16:32 |
| etoews | i use computer programs to filter out noise :) | 16:32 |
| etoews | noise mostly generated by other computering programs | 16:33 |
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| etoews | i'll comment on the issue | 16:33 |
| etoews | review that is | 16:33 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 16:33 |
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| etoews | #action etoews to comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/7/guidelines/microversion_specification.rst following the errors spec | 16:36 |
| etoews | cdent: thanks for pointing that out | 16:36 |
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| cdent | I need to meditate on "i use computer programs to filter out noise" | 16:36 |
| cdent | because it is and always has been a bit of an issue for me | 16:37 |
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| etoews | my usual default is to prefer more information than less and filter out what i don't need. | 16:37 |
| cdent | reasonable | 16:38 |
| etoews | cdent: have you given any more thought to implementing the error spec in ceilometer? (is it ceilometer?) | 16:38 |
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| cdent | I don't really do much on ceilometer any more, and even if I did its api is basically considered legacy so not much change happening there | 16:39 |
| cdent | the place where I'm exploring the errors guideline is on an experimental facade over the nova api (mostly a learning exercise) | 16:40 |
| etoews | ah | 16:40 |
| cdent | the gnocchi api would be an interesting place to explore errors and the like, but gnocchi isn't really subscribing to the guidelines in general (at least last I checked) | 16:41 |
| etoews | okay | 16:42 |
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| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:43 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:43 |
| etoews | cdent: anything to highlight here? | 16:43 |
| cdent | there are some arguments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281511/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260292/ but they are reaching consensus | 16:45 |
| cdent | elmiko was going to resurrect actions guideline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/ but I guess hasn't had a chance yet | 16:46 |
| cdent | there are hangups on pagination: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743/ | 16:46 |
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| * etoews ganders | 16:48 | |
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| etoews | i'll have to give those a deeper look later | 16:50 |
| cdent | There's nothing deeply unsettled, except for the actions one, just some consensus building that needs to happen | 16:51 |
| etoews | anything else in the last few minutes here? | 16:54 |
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| cdent | Don't think so. | 16:54 |
| cdent | Things will pick up again soon. | 16:54 |
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| etoews | i'll schedule the api wg session at the summit for early monday afternoon. we can change it later if need be. | 16:55 |
| cdent | ++ | 16:55 |
| cdent | let's call it a day | 16:56 |
| etoews | sgtm. thx! | 16:56 |
| cdent | thank you | 16:56 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 16:56:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-10-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-10-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-10-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Courtesy ping kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb markvan | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Agenda: | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:00 |
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| markvan | hi | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | Pretty light meeting today, might be over in two shakes | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | For me, no big status updates from the last week other than I'm planning to run for PTL again :) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | with the glare thing — I've uploaded a https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290932/ That swithces V1 to glare. It's in a WIP state, since I found there are 2 attributes, that are missing in our schema =) | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I'm planning to udpdate schema and the script for transfer today/tomorrow. | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290932/ | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | excellent! | 17:03 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | sry. | 17:04 |
| docaedo | markvan: how goes the integration testing? | 17:04 |
| markvan | from me, just the last piece of integartion test job puzzle with this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290036/ with that it should be solid | 17:04 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: np :) and if it's a timing thing, just wait, next week we're hit with daylight savings again! | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | sorry. I was reviewing kzaitsev's patch. | 17:04 |
| markvan | then can look to more tests | 17:04 |
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| kfox1111 | hehe. stupid daylight savings... | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Still no update on public IP for the staging server, though. wonder if Mirantis actually has a pool of IP's. gotta ping the folks around more agressively, I guess ) | 17:04 |
| docaedo | markvan: thanks, this is great stuff to see | 17:04 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: I can donate a VM with 8gb of ram and .. not sure how many cores. With public IP. | 17:05 |
| docaedo | If you want to send me your public key we can coordinate via email - could get you that VM this morning (thanks IBM!) | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: Let's wait till next week and if there would be no update, I would probably ask you to do so ) | 17:06 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: ok. I'll probably be running the glare version of app catalog there anyway, but likely your version will be more up to date - anyway, keep me posted | 17:06 |
| docaedo | Any objections to me merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290036/ this morning? | 17:07 |
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| kfox1111 | docaedo: looks like kzaitsev had a comment on it. | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: not really. should work just fine. I'm just usually a bit over-worried about shell script tidiness/correctness =) | 17:09 |
| docaedo | I won't rush it then :) give markvan time to respond | 17:09 |
| docaedo | Any other status updates? | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | looks ok to me. | 17:10 |
| markvan | not from me right now | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've talked with Omar, and he's going to rething his UI-glare commits with angular. | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | ok. cool. thanks. | 17:11 |
| docaedo | cool that's good to hear | 17:12 |
| docaedo | moving on to... | 17:12 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | Interesting thread on dev that has an impact on app-catalog-ui, and potentially app-catalog if we end up marrying the two very closely | 17:13 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088923.html | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | looks like our Openstack Bot is not aware of reviews he already set up. | 17:13 |
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| kfox1111 | docaedo: I responded to the thread at one point, and tagged it with [app-catalog] but no one responded to it. | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | these https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290292/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291009/ two commits seem exactly the same. Probably it would require a bit more tinkering to checkout the latest 'Detect dead links' commit and work on top of it, like req updater does | 17:16 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: I've been following, and saw that you were on it. My only thoughts on the matter don't really impact the bigger issue (how will horizon codebase handle xstatic) | 17:16 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yes - the expectation is that I will move quicker when the bot detects a dead link, just got caught out yesterday and never managed to circle back to that as I expected | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, I haven't been following it too closely either. just wanted to let them know horizon wasn't the only one. | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | I'm guessing there will be a work session at the summit related to it, and | 17:17 |
| docaedo | normally the volume of dead links found should be virtually nonexistent, at least with the size of the catalog now. It will have to be handled differently when we switch to glare anyway | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | I think we need to discuss with hrizon sharing more code anyway. | 17:18 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: I agree - I think it makes more sense for the app-catalog-ui work to head towards being a native component of Horizon, leaving the app-catalog web site to grow on it's own | 17:19 |
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| docaedo | but good topic for debate at the summit, see if there's even a possibility of that ever happening | 17:19 |
| kfox1111 | no, not quite what ai meant. | 17:19 |
| kfox1111 | I think some of horizon's angular stuff is useful outside of horizon, and that we will want to use it on apps.openstack.org. | 17:19 |
| kfox1111 | the horizon angular smart table stuff is really nice for example. | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | I'd like to see it broken out into its own standalone library. | 17:20 |
| docaedo | I think there's some value there, but I'm also (and always have been) leery of making the app-catalog web site be tied to the horizon project - so I agree as long as it doesn't get hung up in/by horizon development | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. agreed. | 17:21 |
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| kfox1111 | we don't want to be restricted by horizon, but reusing a lot of the work on development if we can use it. | 17:22 |
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| kfox1111 | since we have so few devs, any saved work will mean we can do more. | 17:23 |
| docaedo | +1 | 17:23 |
| docaedo | I think there's a good chance we'll see an uptick in interested contributors soon at least - I'm working with the app developer ecosystem work group (or called SOMETHING like that) and we're trying to get app devs connected back here | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | nice. | 17:24 |
| docaedo | I'm also still trying to figure out the best way to start a thread (and even the right mailing list to start it on) regarding defining what an openstack app is exactly (and from there, how best to package and distribute it) | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | +1. I can help with that. | 17:24 |
| docaedo | Probably the biggest issue we have right now IMO is that we're talking to openstack service developers about openstack apps, and we have not really gotten good feedback or even useful interest, and it's largely due to perspective I believe | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | exactly. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | I'd hoped engaging the operators group would lead to more exposure, but they really have a different mission | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | its because their definition of "user" doesn't include openstack app developers | 17:25 |
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| kfox1111 | or what I've been calling cloud devs. | 17:26 |
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| docaedo | so .. yeah, I'm goign to focus on exposure for us from other people - as you've noted kfox1111, there's a real disconnect of how devs making openstack services define users, and how users of OpenStack clouds define users | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I've seen a lot of ops work against the app writer use case too. | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | alot of ops only consider their current, emediate users, not future users that are not CS savy. | 17:27 |
| * kfox1111 nods | 17:27 | |
| docaedo | true - and there's also a much broader spectrum that can be served by an "app store" and I don't think the app catalog can satisfy every case | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | possibly. | 17:28 |
| docaedo | i.e. atomic apps intended for non-tech-savvy users is a different audience than a cloud-aware automatically scaling app-stack that you could build with heat | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | -1 | 17:29 |
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| kfox1111 | its even more important for a non-tech-savvy user to be able to launch an autoscaling app. | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | since its not in their capability to manually scale it. | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | its really the same use case. | 17:30 |
| docaedo | I would agree, but that's served best by a PaaS, not vanilla OpenStack. | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | -1 again. pass is for developers. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | Murano, OpenShift, Cloud Foundry - they attack that case | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | openstack apps are more "software as a service" kind of level. "I want foo", you click, launch, and you have a foo. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | how would you package and deliver a complicated autoscaling app for a non tech savvy user? | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | sahara's like that. trove's like that already. | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | heat/murano, added to the app catalog, | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | and then they just "launch" from there. | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | just like you would do for the android market. | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | the app catalog should let you find it, help you install the pieces you need local to the cloud for it to run, and then let you launch one. | 17:33 |
| docaedo | but android app is a radically different use case than a production-grade service living in a cloud - would it make sense for someone to stand up something complicated without any awareness of how to manage it, and count on that for the long term? | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | so far, while a little rough around the edges, the app catalog horizon plugin does all of that today. | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | depends? | 17:34 |
| docaedo | :) | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | while a cloud scaled app is archetected differently then a phone app, | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | thats an implementation detail. why does it matter that its more fault tollerant? | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | owncloud is one example. if its to be used as intended, | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | everyone should get their own instance, and it should be pretty much self contained and easily updated. | 17:35 |
| docaedo | phone apps dont live long, and generally have all their data held elsewhere so the app is little more than a front-end | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | what it really is missing is a very very simple way to just launch one. | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | webapps can be too. not sure I see the difference. | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | I have users that launch a heat template for a web based R studio thingy. | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | they run it when they need it, and hit delete when their done with it. then the next day do the same thing. | 17:36 |
| docaedo | Difference is someone on the other side of that app is handling the persistence layer, and maintaining it over time (make sure the DB server is backed up, doesn't run out of space, etc.) | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | they don't have to be heavy weight. we just have always thought about them that way. | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | if appropriatly written, the cloud scaled app handles that stuff... | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | it uses swift, so it has basically infinite storage, auto yum upgrades, etc. | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | or has task as a service hooks to help with major upgrades, vm resizes, etc. | 17:38 |
| docaedo | Fair enough, though I've never see a cloud scaled app that doesn't need help and knowledge from an experienced sysadmin eventually | 17:38 |
| docaedo | but I think a debate like this would be useful on the mailing list | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. because the infrastructure isn't proper yet. :/ | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | no heat conditonals, etc. ;) | 17:39 |
| docaedo | (WHICH list though?? probably not openstack-dev) .. | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. hard call. its not an op or a regular dev thing. | 17:40 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: are you on defcore and the users list? | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | neither i think. | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | probably shoudl be. | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | let me know which list you will post to before you do, and I'll make sure I'm subscribed. | 17:40 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee | 17:40 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/defcore-committee | 17:41 |
| docaedo | I'll probably commit a cardinal sin and cross-post to both those lists | 17:41 |
| docaedo | they're SUPER low volume, so I would encourage everyone to subscribe | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | k. I'll do both. | 17:42 |
| docaedo | I think we can wrap up and get our noses back to our respective grindstones? | 17:42 |
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| kfox1111 | gota head to another meeting. will subscribe when I get back. | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | yup. :) | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | thanks. | 17:43 |
| docaedo | thanks you guys - talk to you all later on! | 17:43 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 17:43:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-03-10-17.00.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-03-10-17.00.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-03-10-17.00.log.html | 17:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi there tbachman | 17:52 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 17:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi! | 17:52 |
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| tbachman | ivar-lazzaro: hi! | 17:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: rkukura igordcard_ tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 18:00:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_10th.2C_2016 | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | starting with the standing items - | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as for bugs I dont think there was any major activity last week | 18:02 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything new to discuss on the packaging? | 18:03 |
| rkukura | no update this week | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you were going to find out and tell me if the non-date based versioning is required for RHEL packaging (mitaka) | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | based on that i can release dev milestone | 18:04 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes, but never got a response, and haven’t followed up yet | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure np, whenever you have info let me know | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Addition of status attributes | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | spec #link https://review.openstack.org/289127 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | impl #link https://review.openstack.org/289530 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the implementation is ready, would appreciate if the team can review | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this does not do anything to the drivers, just adds to the API and DB layers | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | had to change the UT strategy a little bit since these attributes cannot be set from the API | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so had to do direct DB testing | 18:07 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are you sure we’d want to store this in the DB? | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, i dont think we can make assumptions on how the backend wil handle this | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I’d think drivers would need to get it on demand, each time a get of the resource was processed | 18:09 |
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| rkukura | I don’t think we can assume async changes to status will find their way into these db tables | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: why not? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: this is the standard way of processing status in other openstack projects | 18:10 |
| rkukura | If the backend has its own DB with status in it (which might be asynchronously updated), the policy driver would want to return that, not copy it into the plugin’s db table | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think if a particular implementation wants to always pull from the backend, then plugin get method can be overriden | 18:12 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I don’t think policy drivers have a way to do that | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the plugin would have to do that | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but there is no reason to not have this for the default case | 18:13 |
| rkukura | maybe we need a way for the plugin to call the drivers to get the status | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for instance neutron will always notify of state changes | 18:13 |
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| rkukura | with multiple drivers, which is responsible for updating the status in the plugin’s tables? How would these get composed? | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that logic would have to go into the plugin | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but that is regardless of whether the status is persisted in the DB or not | 18:15 |
| rkukura | sure, the plugin would need to compose status from each of the drivers | 18:15 |
| rkukura | for that, it seems better to get status from each of the drivers | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, any time composition has to be done, it would probably have to be done in the DB layer | 18:16 |
| rkukura | not sure I agree | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: at this point i am not trying to solve this composition problem though | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know we have to tried to address this in the past in neutron in various different contexts | 18:17 |
| rkukura | I understand that, but we’ve had some discussion of this same topic for ML2 | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | right | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there some in the context of DVR and FWaaS as well | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | are there cases where the driver doesn't have storage | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: in theory yes | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: this would be the case where the driver is leveraging the GBP model to store the state | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, in that case you'll need the plugin to compose and store the status | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and which, one can argue, is being addressed with this basic implementation | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: right | 18:20 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I have not reviewed either of these yet, but would like to look at how the policy drivers are intended to update this status. They gererally do not have direct access to the plugin’s DB models, right? | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hmmm, why not? | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not sure i completely understood what you meant by “direct access” | 18:22 |
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| rkukura | My thinking is based more on ML2, but we’ve tried to follow the same general driver pattern in GBP. In ML2, we really expect each driver to see the exact state that eventually gets returned to the caller. Clearly GBP is different in this regard. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i agree, GBP could be in different in cases | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other thoughts/questions on this? | 18:26 |
| rkukura | Maybe we should change GBP to not have a list of policy drivers, but instead have a single one, and move the IPD to something that happens before the policy driver precommit/postcommit phases | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i had similar thoughts as well | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least in the case of IPD | 18:27 |
| rkukura | yes, lots of issue would be resolved if we could do the IPD work before the main GBP transaction | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: in the new async driver, the IPD is collapsed on the “other” policy driver | 18:28 |
| rkukura | but a single PD would avoid the issue of having to merge status | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on -> in | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | there's also the service chain driver | 18:28 |
| rkukura | I’d still argue that, with a single PD model, we should get the state from the PD (which building the resource dictionary) rather than require it to be in the DB. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but that gets called from the service chain plugin, right? | 18:29 |
| rkukura | right | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: not that, I mean the sc mapping driver, the one that creates SC resources depending on GBP model | 18:29 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: would any of the potentially influence the status of the GBP resource? | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | this guy: https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/chain_mapping.py | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: well yeah, if a SCI fails to get created a Policy Rule will be down | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: if i recall this was initially part of RMD and later factored out? | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | correct | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so in theory we can always come up with up a design that will help to compose the status by reading from different drivers | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the simpler to implement solution seems to be address it via one driver | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | how can the state be updated based on an async event, for eg when a network service vm is operational | 18:32 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I still have concerns about needing to push async status into the GBP DB vs. pull it from a backend DB as needed, but we can discuss that offline | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: by listening to the appropriate notification? | 18:33 |
| hemanthravi | in that case it's not being pulled from the driver | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | pulling it from the backed will slow down all the GETs though | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we are not precluding the possibility of pulling from the DB backend | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i agree | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which might not even be a huge problem in facrt | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i guess the more relevant point is that it might not be needed in some cases | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and it might be in others | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I’m not clear where this pull would occur, but we can discuss that offline | 18:35 |
| rkukura | or in the review(s) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for the discussion here | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Other Design Specs | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: updated #link https://review.openstack.org/239743 earlier today | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i havent gotten a chance to take a look | 18:36 |
| * tbachman goes to rebase his patch | 18:36 | |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, updated most of the comments except for the HA related one and updating the diag | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can discuss here if anyone got to it | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay thanks | 18:37 |
| hemanthravi | hoping to have the impl patches posted early next week | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay nice | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I think igordcard_ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/ also updated his spec | 18:38 |
| hemanthravi | patchset 12, 13 should be same | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i posted a comment that if we are doing this in a feature branch, we can mention that in the spec, and approve this spec once that is done | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if anyone disagrees with that | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the spec would be experimental in that sense, and based on the experience with implementing it in the feature branch, we can update the spec if required | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if igordcard_ is around | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:40 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh igordcard_ just sent me a message saying he is having connectivity issues | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the following workshop proposed by the team got accepted for the Austin summit #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/6894 | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had some offline discussions on how to go about this | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you have any thoughts/suggestions and would like to participate, please let me know | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else have anything else for today? | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright, thanks everyone for joining, see you next week! | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:44 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 18:44 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:44 |
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| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 10 18:44:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-10-18.00.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-10-18.00.txt | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-10-18.00.log.html | 18:45 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for joining | 18:46 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting | 21:30 |
| openstack | DevonBoatwright: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:30 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting OpsGuide | 21:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 10 21:31:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpsGuide)" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'opsguide' | 21:31 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hey there | 21:31 |
| DevonBoatwright | Is anyone else here? | 21:31 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I'm hoping I have the right time for this meeting? | 21:33 |
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| njohnston | yep | 21:37 |
| njohnston | :-) | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Oh yay! It was a little lonely in here | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Waiting on others I guess.. | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Shilla won't be here. Vic said he won't be here. | 21:38 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #topic action items from the previous meeting | 21:47 |
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| njohnston | I do apologize, I have nothing to contribute. But I am here for moral support! | 21:48 |
| njohnston | "Yay team!" | 21:48 |
| DevonBoatwright | LOL. The last meeting only had Darrenc and I. He did most of the talking. | 21:48 |
| DevonBoatwright | He went over the bug smash and provided a link and dates for me. | 21:48 |
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| darrenc | hi everyone | 21:49 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello~ | 21:49 |
| darrenc | sorry I was in another meeting | 21:49 |
| DevonBoatwright | That's ok.. we're kind of just getting started | 21:50 |
| darrenc | and I have to heading to another meeting in 5 minutes | 21:50 |
| darrenc | head* | 21:50 |
| darrenc | no worries | 21:50 |
| DevonBoatwright | We're just talking about action items from the last meeting. I can move on though to talk about other stuff | 21:50 |
| darrenc | sure | 21:50 |
| DevonBoatwright | #topic Arch Guide: 3 bugs in progress during the OpenStack bug smash | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Arch Guide: 3 bugs in progress during the OpenStack bug smash (Meeting topic: OpsGuide)" | 21:50 | |
| darrenc | Yep, so Brian Moss and I attend the bug bash in Sydney | 21:51 |
| darrenc | and I partially knocked over 2 arch guide bugs | 21:51 |
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| darrenc | and Brian has one in flight | 21:51 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Ok. That seems cool! | 21:52 |
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| darrenc | xavpaice will work on completing the bugs I started | 21:52 |
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| darrenc | since it requires someone with cloud arch knowledge | 21:53 |
| DevonBoatwright | I have on the agenda that there is a patch in review? Is that a new topic? | 21:53 |
| darrenc | related to the same topic | 21:53 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok | 21:53 |
| darrenc | just need some eyes to review it | 21:53 |
| darrenc | How are you going with the network bug? | 21:54 |
| DevonBoatwright | I have been working on it. It's definitely a learning experience. What is the deadline for it? | 21:55 |
| darrenc | no firm deadline, but it would be nice to have it merged before the mitaka release | 21:55 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. That's fine | 21:56 |
| darrenc | which is less than a month away | 21:56 |
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| DevonBoatwright | ok. I can finish it partially by the end of next week, I think. | 21:57 |
| darrenc | great, ping me if you need help :) | 21:57 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks! :) | 21:58 |
| darrenc | np | 21:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | I have a subtopic about SMEs to write Functional Requirements, Cloud architecture examples, User Requirements chapters | 21:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | Is there anything to address with that topic? Otherwise I will move to the next topic. | 21:59 |
| darrenc | yes the challenge is finding people to write about that | 21:59 |
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| darrenc | Do you know of any cloud architects who could contribute to the guide? | 21:59 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hm.. I actually don't know. I would err on the side of maybe not? | 22:00 |
| DevonBoatwright | I can keep my ears open, though. | 22:00 |
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| darrenc | ok, me too | 22:00 |
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| darrenc | ok, sorry I need to head to my next meeting | 22:01 |
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| DevonBoatwright | ok. no problem. | 22:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks for coming in for a minuute!! | 22:01 |
| darrenc | the only thing I'll mention is that the ops guide is being converted | 22:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. | 22:01 |
| darrenc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288649/ | 22:02 |
| darrenc | the tracking page is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 22:02 |
| darrenc | anyway, gotta go | 22:02 |
| darrenc | see you later! o/ | 22:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. Thanks! | 22:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | See ya | 22:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | #topic ops guide | 22:03 |
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| DevonBoatwright | So the subtopic in the agenda is the conversion in progress due to content updates | 22:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | And there's this link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273871/ | 22:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | And this link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288649/ | 22:06 |
| DevonBoatwright | and this link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-March/008334.html | 22:07 |
| DevonBoatwright | So I'm not sure what to say more than present this information in the chat room. Anyone have anything to contribute about this topic? | 22:08 |
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| DevonBoatwright | It looks like the first link is merged and the second one is the same as the one darrenc sent a moment ago. | 22:09 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. So. I'll move on. It looks like this was the last thing on the agenda. | 22:11 |
| DevonBoatwright | Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about? | 22:12 |
| DevonBoatwright | Well, if it's okay, I can just end the meeting a few minutes early | 22:14 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #endmeeting | 22:16 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/opsguide/2016/opsguide.2016-03-10-21.31.html | 22:16 |
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