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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 06:30:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | hi | 06:30 |
| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Can you kindly send the email address you registered with OpenStack. We need to give you core permissions. | 06:31 |
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| yamamoto_ | hi | 06:31 |
| irenab | hi | 06:31 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: okay, i will send my e-mail address to you | 06:31 |
| reedip | hi | 06:31 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Thanks. | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | Let's get started | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | #topic: Spec Discussion | 06:32 |
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| reedip | irenab posted some comments to the questions which I shared | 06:32 |
| reedip | for the spec | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088645.html | 06:33 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello guys! | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Sorry for being a little bit behind. I'll add some thoughts to that email thread soon. | 06:34 |
| reedip | anil_rao: sure .. fawadkhaliq: hi | 06:34 |
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| anil_rao | There was one question that I was curious about. | 06:34 |
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| reedip | so irenab gave her comments on #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089207.html , and she is here today for the discussion, so any concerns from her end can be closed early on | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | Is there anything in the current API definition that is OVS dependent? | 06:35 |
| reedip | anil_rao : shoot ... | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | I can't think of what that might be | 06:35 |
| irenab | reedip: I gues maybe it was for limiting the spec to what only possible with OVS | 06:36 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : not in the API, but as discussed in some of the earlier meeting logs, we need to split the implementation to allow other vendors like bigswitch and other third party to create thier own versions ( yamamoto_ : I am reading up the ml2 spec, maybe it would help here ) | 06:36 |
| reedip | irenab : maybe we can let the API stay , but in the Release notes, mention the limitation to OVS | 06:37 |
| reedip | ? | 06:37 |
| irenab | reedip: sounds good | 06:37 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : any suggestions ? | 06:37 |
| anil_rao | The current implementation is just a reference implementation. I don't see any reason why other backends cannot be implemented by interested parties. | 06:38 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : you are right.... it is a reference implementation. But when we share the code for review with other neutron reviewers, let make this aspect clear... ( that this is a reference implementation) , else we might be subjected to a pretty grilling review | 06:39 |
| reedip | anil_rao: thats my point of view ( maybe I could be wrong ) | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | By reference implementation I meant that it is one implementation, which we expect will work in production deployments. So a grilling review is fair game. | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | I also agree that we can make the implementation more friendly to other variants. | 06:41 |
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| reedip | anil_rao: yes , but for this release, we can limit the scope, and let it expand in the future | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Agree | 06:42 |
| reedip | that would definitely require rework in the future, but allow us to provide a working software | 06:42 |
| reedip | in the demo in Austin | 06:42 |
| irenab | reedip: As long as the layering is good and API/Plugin are backend agnostic, this should be ok. but maybe its beyond the spec which in my opinion should focus on generic stuff | 06:42 |
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| yamamoto_ | vlan_range_start config seems a little implementation specific. | 06:42 |
| fawadkhaliq | yamamoto_: +1 | 06:43 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto_: I agree about that. I would consider that more implementation dependent than a portion of the API spec. | 06:43 |
| reedip | irenab : yes, API may not require this information... however, this was one of the points which I observed cross-referencing different links, so thought of putting it up in the discussion, maybe it should have been a separate point | 06:44 |
| anil_rao | Also, vlan_range is a stop gap measure until the community comes to an agreement on how to share resources in OVS. | 06:44 |
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| anil_rao | Apparently the ML2 driver extensions work does not address this crucial issue | 06:45 |
| yamamoto_ | maybe those options can be moved into a separate group eg. [taas_ovs] | 06:45 |
| anil_rao | yammamoto_: That should be fine. | 06:46 |
| reedip | yamamoto_ +1 | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | I am still worried though on how different projects plan to simultaneously work with OVS flows at the same time. | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | Not sure where to bring this up? | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | Any thoughts? | 06:47 |
| reedip | ML , and Austin summit | 06:48 |
| yamamoto_ | i guess ML is best for the topic | 06:48 |
| reedip | we should actually have a discussion with all the neutron core ... this may be a good point for discussion | 06:48 |
| anil_rao | reedip,yamamoto_: ok | 06:48 |
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| anil_rao | Let's move to the next topic, if that's okay. | 06:49 |
| anil_rao | #topic Spec Discussion | 06:51 |
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| anil_rao | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089330.html | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089446.html | 06:51 |
| soichi | anil_rao: thank you for your comments | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | soichi: You are welcome. The TaaS UI looks very nice. :-) | 06:52 |
| soichi | i'm preparing to share source code | 06:53 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Awesome! | 06:53 |
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| anil_rao | soichi: I have a few questions on your reply. | 06:53 |
| soichi | yes | 06:53 |
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| anil_rao | I wasn't sure about the part where you mentioned there being a lot of ports being shown. Can you kindly explain? | 06:55 |
| soichi | if an instance is selected by user, we can list ports associated with the instance | 06:55 |
| soichi | otherwise all ports can be a candidate | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Ok, I got it. | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | Wouldn't the same be the case for the tap-service-create operation though. | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | we do allow the the user to specify the (destination) port for the tap-service-create call | 06:57 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: yes, I think so | 06:58 |
| soichi | i guess destination port should be created with a name | 06:59 |
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| soichi | then, a uesr can select an appropriate port by seeing name | 06:59 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Let me think about this some more. If I have a better idea I'll add to the email thread. | 07:00 |
| soichi | yes, thank you | 07:00 |
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| anil_rao | There is an aspect of the API that still bothers me. Let me try to explain. | 07:01 |
| reedip | ?? | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | The current API only returns a failure due to some prelimiary checks carried out by the TaaS plugin. After the control is dispatched to the TaaS agent/driver, we have not mechanism of notifying the front-end that a call failed. | 07:02 |
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| anil_rao | I think we need to fix this, otherwise we will end up in a situation where the front-end thinks that a tap-service/tap-flow is correctly instantiated when it might not acutally be the case. | 07:03 |
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| anil_rao | My suggestion is to add the concept of a status field, similar to other OpenStack operations. | 07:04 |
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| anil_rao | This status could be in-progress, succeed or failed. | 07:04 |
| reedip | anil_rao : similar to what has already been done in LBaaS | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | It will also help in the situations where the backend logic takes a while to complete a call. | 07:05 |
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| anil_rao | reedip: Yes. Actually many OpenStack projects work in this fashion. | 07:05 |
| reedip | like Start -> Pending-Create -> Failure or Start -> Pending-Create -> Success | 07:05 |
| anil_rao | Yes, something like that. :-) | 07:05 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : actually this is a pretty common design pattern ... we can ( and from what you said we should) implement it | 07:06 |
| anil_rao | This will affect the UI work that Soichi and Kaz are doing too. | 07:06 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Agree | 07:06 |
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| yamamoto_ | +1 for having status | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | Let me write up a description on the ML and also submit a bug . | 07:07 |
| soichi | +1 | 07:07 |
| kaz | reedip: +1 | 07:07 |
| reedip | anil_rao: you have now 3 emails for ML :) | 07:08 |
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| anil_rao | Yes, I will be on it tomorrow morning. After the time change here (daylight savings) its now midnight. :-( | 07:08 |
| anil_rao | Any other thoughts on the TaaS Dashboard work? | 07:11 |
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| anil_rao | ok, next topic then. | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | #topic Discussion over Summit presentation | 07:13 |
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| reedip | So I wanted to know how and when we could meet up | 07:13 |
| reedip | how to proceed with the presentation | 07:13 |
| anil_rao | Here are some thoughts. | 07:13 |
| reedip | what matter would we present | 07:13 |
| anil_rao | We can set up a WebEx session next week (on Fawad's request) to discuss this. | 07:14 |
| anil_rao | Fawad will be preparing a template. | 07:14 |
| fawadkhaliq | anil_rao: yes, let's do it | 07:14 |
| anil_rao | We should essentially cover the things we mentioned in the abstract of the proposal. | 07:14 |
| fawadkhaliq | anil_rao: reedip I will come up with template, that we can all fill in and divide | 07:15 |
| fawadkhaliq | anil_rao: +! | 07:15 |
| fawadkhaliq | anil_rao: +1 | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | I will also share some thoughts on the demo. Please feel free to debate and discuss | 07:15 |
| reedip | anil_rao: sounds like a plan | 07:15 |
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| anil_rao | I am putting together a new DevStack env with all of the latest code changes (there have been quite a few recently). :) | 07:16 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : Honest Request ... please keep the session on a day when there is no T20 match for India :D | 07:16 |
| fawadkhaliq | reedip: lol | 07:16 |
| pgadiya | reedip: lol :) | 07:17 |
| reedip | :D | 07:17 |
| anil_rao | Sure. :-) | 07:17 |
| reedip | thanks | 07:17 |
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| anil_rao | I think it will be nice to incorporate both the Neutron client and the TaaS UI in the demo to show progress over the past Tech Talk. | 07:18 |
| soichi | anil_rao: i agree | 07:19 |
| reedip | anil_rao : +1 | 07:19 |
| anil_rao | Next topics: | 07:20 |
| anil_rao | #topic Announcement: New Core Reviewers | 07:20 |
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| anil_rao | Based on all the +ve votes received yamamoto_ and soichi are our new core reviewers. | 07:21 |
| yamamoto_ | thank you | 07:22 |
| soichi | thank you | 07:22 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:23 |
| kaz | +1 | 07:23 |
| reedip | sorry, now you guys would give +2 :D | 07:23 |
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| anil_rao | #topic Study up ML2 extension | 07:23 |
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| fawadkhaliq | congrats yamamoto_ soichi | 07:23 |
| fawadkhaliq | :) | 07:24 |
| reedip | yeah, I have started to study the extension implementation, have some confusions. I would ask yamamoto_ and fawadkhaliq once I read it a bit more | 07:24 |
| reedip | it was mentioned basically as a progress report | 07:25 |
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| anil_rao | That's good. | 07:25 |
| anil_rao | #topic Issue observed for empty tap-service/tap-flow listing | 07:26 |
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| anil_rao | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088454.html | 07:26 |
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| anil_rao | reedip: I belive this is now closed. | 07:26 |
| reedip | anil_rao : yup | 07:27 |
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| reedip | I think soichi carried it forward while editing the agenda for today, and I forgot to remove it | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | Looks like we covered all of the agenda items today. :-) | 07:27 |
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| anil_rao | Any other open issues for discussion. We have a couple of minutes | 07:27 |
| soichi | oh, excuse me | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Yes | 07:28 |
| soichi | just copy and paste last week agenda | 07:28 |
| reedip | soichi : I guessed so, no issues, I also forgot :) | 07:29 |
| soichi | :) | 07:29 |
| anil_rao | OK, time's up. | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 07:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 07:30:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-16-06.30.html | 07:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-16-06.30.txt | 07:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-03-16-06.30.log.html | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Thanks everyone. | 07:30 |
| soichi | bye | 07:30 |
| kaz | bye all | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 07:30 |
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| reedip | cheeriyo everyone :) | 07:32 |
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| elisha_r | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 09:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elisha_r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
| elisha_r | Hi everyone :-) | 09:00 |
| lhartal | hello :) | 09:01 |
| idan_hefetz | good morning elisha_r and everyone! | 09:01 |
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| elisha_r | Our agenda: * Current status * Review action items * Next steps * Open Discussion | 09:03 |
| elisha_r | Our agena: | 09:03 |
| elisha_r | * Current status | 09:03 |
| elisha_r | * Review action items | 09:03 |
| alexey_weyl | hello | 09:03 |
| elisha_r | * Next steps | 09:03 |
| elisha_r | * Open Discussion | 09:03 |
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| emalin | hi | 09:04 |
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| elisha_r | Hi | 09:05 |
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| elisha_r | #topic Current status | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:05 | |
| elisha_r | I'll start. | 09:05 |
| elisha_r | So this week was very productive. We completed the scenario evaluator, with three actions (raise_alarm, set_state and add_causal_relationship). This effectively gives us support for deduced alarms, deduced states and RCA. | 09:05 |
| elisha_r | For all of these we have support in the Vitrage Horizon | 09:06 |
| elisha_r | We plan on uploading a demo of these features this week. | 09:06 |
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| elisha_r | Also, ifat and ohad presented all of this at the OPNFV Hackfest this week, which went very well to the best of my understanding. | 09:06 |
| emalin | Bravo | 09:06 |
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| elisha_r | We're finalizing the documentation for this feature, hope to upload it by the end of the week. | 09:07 |
| elisha_r | That's it from me. | 09:08 |
| elisha_r | Anyone else have updates? | 09:08 |
| danoffek | RPC chapter finished for now. We have everything supported except for the schedualer / conductors which will not be in this phase. | 09:09 |
| elisha_r | sounds great! | 09:09 |
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| elisha_r | danoffek - is there a clear idea of when the remaining features will be supported? | 09:11 |
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| danoffek | I have a clear idea when it won't. in the near 2 months I see no future development in this area | 09:12 |
| elisha_r | ok. thanks | 09:12 |
| idan_hefetz | I'll update | 09:12 |
| idan_hefetz | Currently on the Notifiers and Aodh notifier blueprint. | 09:13 |
| idan_hefetz | Bus messaging infra is ready, so that the evaluator sends messages to the bus regarding deduced alarms. | 09:13 |
| idan_hefetz | Also, I've added a 'vitrage-notifier' service that listens to these messages. | 09:13 |
| idan_hefetz | Currently working on the vitrage-notifier so it will have Ceilometer client to create and update aodh alarms. | 09:13 |
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| idan_hefetz | To create the client i'm adding the 'service credentials' to the configuration so that we have a keystone client to create the other clients (such as nova and ceilometer) | 09:14 |
| idan_hefetz | That's it | 09:14 |
| elisha_r | great progress! | 09:15 |
| elisha_r | so, what remains in order for the notifier to be fully operational? | 09:16 |
| idan_hefetz | I need to address the actual creation of the aodh alarms by the client | 09:17 |
| idan_hefetz | and do some refactoring so syncronizers use the keystone client | 09:17 |
| elisha_r | cool. | 09:18 |
| elisha_r | anyone else? | 09:18 |
| emalin | I will update | 09:20 |
| emalin | We are going to use vitrage in nfvo system | 09:20 |
| emalin | We would need ability to load new plugins that are not part of vitrage oprigianl code | 09:20 |
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| emalin | I'm meaning they porbably won't be part of vitrage repository since the nfvo system is not part of openstack at all | 09:21 |
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| elisha_r | so, do you plan on adding a blueprint for vitrage to support this? | 09:22 |
| ayaho | hi | 09:22 |
| emalin | We may also want plugable authorization method | 09:22 |
| emalin | @elisha_r regards plugin - we still need to learn the current capabilities of vitrage | 09:23 |
| emalin | If it's not supported yet, we will create new blueprint | 09:23 |
| elisha_r | ok. sounds good | 09:23 |
| emalin | Regards authorization, I pretty sure we will need new blueprint | 09:24 |
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| emalin | We heard there thoughts about changing the transformers to yaml files | 09:24 |
| emalin | Is it going to happen in the coming days? | 09:25 |
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| lhartal | I have done POC on that and hopefully in the near future (not coming days) I will insert it | 09:26 |
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| emalin | OK | 09:28 |
| elisha_r | ok. any more updates? | 09:28 |
| elisha_r | #topic Review action items | 09:30 |
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| elisha_r | elisha_r upload documentation for evaluator | 09:31 |
| elisha_r | This will hopefully take place this week | 09:31 |
| elisha_r | #topic Next Steps | 09:32 |
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| elisha_r | The evaluator is done for basic functionality of deduced an RCA. However, there are several important features we still need to get a more stable and robust evaluator | 09:32 |
| elisha_r | The main two we should consider next are support for NOT in the scenario condition, and dealing with template overlap | 09:33 |
| elisha_r | I think it would be a good idea to plan for these, perhaps add relevant blueprints for this. | 09:35 |
| elisha_r | that;s it from me | 09:35 |
| elisha_r | anyone else? | 09:35 |
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| lhartal | I have whish list: I want to add Template Content Validation and templates API | 09:36 |
| danoffek | I'm adding new templates to the basic templates list | 09:36 |
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| elisha_r | #action support template validation | 09:38 |
| elisha_r | (not sure I'm using the hash sign correctly...) | 09:38 |
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| elisha_r | #topic Open Discussion | 09:39 |
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| elisha_r | anyone have something to discuss? | 09:39 |
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| amir_gur | bye | 09:39 |
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| elisha_r | ok. bye everyone... | 09:40 |
| lhartal | bye bye | 09:41 |
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| elisha_r | #endmeeting | 09:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 09:41:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-16-09.00.html | 09:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-16-09.00.txt | 09:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-03-16-09.00.log.html | 09:41 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 12:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:01 |
| tsufiev | hi | 12:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:01 |
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| doug-fish | \o | 12:02 |
| * david-lyle tries to fight through the crowd to the front | 12:03 | |
| mrunge | o/ | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | Let's get started | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | RC-1 should happen this week | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | that's my primary concern right now | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | I've moved one bp out of RC-1 as it wasn't going to close | 12:04 |
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| david-lyle | The consistency group one is also at risk | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | and the launch instance one needs a little more work | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | I don't think volumes is going to make it; still have a concern with some parts, and there's been no other core reviews on it. | 12:04 |
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| robcresswell | Ports I'm just updating, that should be good to go in a couple hours | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: ok thanks | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | so I think one bp realistically is still in play | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | then the remaining bugs | 12:06 |
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| david-lyle | there's only one or two bugs in the RC list that look worthy of slowing the RC for | 12:07 |
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| doug-fish | I assume you are thinking https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1543891 ? | 12:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543891 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Launch instance from Volumes Snapshot Page opens LEGACY launch instance, even if LEGACY is set to False in local_settings" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Borland (palecrow) | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | I would say every one of third High bugs is nice to see fixed in M | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | *of three | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1553314 This one is quite important and a small fix. | 12:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553314 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Attempting to create a volume after deleting one fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Timur Sufiev (tsufiev-x) | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | yes those two | 12:10 |
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| tsufiev | haven't looked at Angular actions after jQuery refresh recently, does it work already? | 12:10 |
| tsufiev | I mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1514627 | 12:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514627 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Angular actions not evaluated properly when dependent on row update." [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Tyr Johanson (tyr-6) | 12:11 |
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| robcresswell | No, and Tyr has only put up a partial fix and no others. | 12:11 |
| doug-fish | there is a patch merged I think | 12:11 |
| doug-fish | oh | 12:11 |
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| david-lyle | what views are actually impacted? | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | just images? or objects as well | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | The angular actions one? | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | sorry, yes | 12:12 |
| tsufiev | every table with Update Metadata Actions, every table with Launch Instance NG action | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Anything that can do launch instance (volumes, images, snapshots) | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | ok, that is a high then | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | :( | 12:13 |
| robcresswell | If oyu create one, then try and launch an instance, the button doesnt work. | 12:13 |
| tsufiev | I invented an ugly ad-hoc solution for that issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289849/1 | 12:13 |
| tsufiev | if we need some desperate measures :) | 12:13 |
| robcresswell | No, that involves undoing the strict-di bp from earlier | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | so what did the merged patch help, anything? | 12:14 |
| tsufiev | yep, that's why I called them desperate | 12:14 |
| robcresswell | Something to do with images, which isnt even enabled | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | super | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | so that one is not in progress | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | looks like we have an opportunity | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | moved to unassigned and confirmed | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | please take if you have an idea | 12:16 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell: but if we could find a way to inject $injector into legacy JS without undoing ng-strict-di, my solution would be less ugly | 12:16 |
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| robcresswell | Sure | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | The thing is, there are 2 outstanding bugs against LI behaviour that I would consider blocking issues | 12:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm having trouble following that, I'll have to look into it tomorrow ;-) | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | so the other option is go back to legacy, which isn't ideal | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | If we can't get these sorted in the next day, we'll likely have to consider reverting LI-default. | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | Yes. | 12:17 |
| tsufiev | oh | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | let's see if we can make progress | 12:18 |
| tsufiev | :( | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | are there any other issues that people want to mention leading into the RC? | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | I'll reviews tsufievs patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1553314 and get Ports updated, then see what I can do about the other bugs. | 12:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553314 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Attempting to create a volume after deleting one fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Timur Sufiev (tsufiev-x) | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Oops, sorry for speaking over you there :) | 12:19 |
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| david-lyle | not over me, you're good | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | the other thing is please continue to test | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | if we find other issues we have RC-2 to correct if need be | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | actually this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1528465 could be annoying as well | 12:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1528465 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "dashboard project network column display duplicate default public network randomly (with admin)" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | I can confirm it | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Patch is in the gate | 12:21 |
| robcresswell | Seems its already fixed? | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | yeah that one is in the gate | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, never mind then :) | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | need new status for LP: Patch is in gate | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | patch is 3/4 through gate and no failing tests | 12:22 |
| robcresswell | don't jinx it | 12:22 |
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| david-lyle | would be a helpful status in LP :) | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | ok, that's the RC | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | #topic summit space | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | I was informed there may potentially be extra fishbowl or working session space at the summit | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | do we desire any additional space? | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | we were 1 fishbowl and 7 working session | 12:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it'd be really good if we could get a cross-project yelling space to sort out xstatic ... | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | that's a different pool generally | 12:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we got *so* close last week | 12:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok | 12:25 |
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| tsufiev | is the stable/mitaka branch cut with with the first RC or with the final one? | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | if we use one of our times I think we'll have lots of people with conflcts | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: first one | 12:26 |
| doug-fish | have we started collecting topics for the summit yet? | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: not yet | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | we should probably get the etherpad rolling | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | I can post today | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | Might be easier to sort out space needs if we knew the topics. My suspicion is that 8 is plenty, but a topic list might show otherwise | 12:27 |
| tsufiev | jfyi: I won't be in Austin this summit :/ | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | :-( | 12:28 |
| robcresswell | :( | 12:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :( tsufiev | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | ? | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | well then worse performance is back on the agenda | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | ;-) | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | sorry to hear that tsufiev | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | just more tight budget this time, hope it's the only time I was notified too late to apply for Travel Support program | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | that's unfortunate | 12:30 |
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| david-lyle | sounds like we're ok on space | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | moving on | 12:31 |
| tsufiev | will use the free time to finish OSProfiler work, there are always side benefits :) | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: a week of uninterrupted work isn't bad | 12:31 |
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| david-lyle | #topic PTL election | 12:32 |
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| tsufiev | seems that Rob has no competitors :) | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | we're in the final 40 or so hours of nominations | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | and yes Rob is the only brave soul to step up | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | s/brave/stupid :) | 12:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | awesome | 12:33 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, aren't you afraid that you'll have to bear this for another 4 cycles ;)? | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: don't scare him off | 12:33 |
| tsufiev | haha, okay, I'm shutting up | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | #topic Horizon and not-sanitized data from other OpenStack services - how should we handle it? | 12:34 |
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| david-lyle | this was the only item on the agenda | 12:35 |
| tsufiev | ah, yes, that one is mine | 12:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think we should sneer a lot at the services | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: +1 | 12:35 |
| tsufiev | we've got a bug recently with some Cinder data being displayed by Horizon - but it hadn't been filled in in Horizon, so it hadn't been sanitized | 12:35 |
| doug-fish | link? | 12:36 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: sanitized in what sense? embedded JS? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | or something less sinister | 12:36 |
| tsufiev | oops, it's a private security bug | 12:37 |
| doug-fish | ok understood | 12:37 |
| tsufiev | let me describe it briefly | 12:37 |
| tsufiev | one can put JS injection into Cinder db using CLI | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | then it is displayed by Horizon | 12:38 |
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| david-lyle | this is not a horizon security bug? | 12:38 |
| doug-fish | displayed = executed? | 12:38 |
| doug-fish | as in, it runs the javascript? | 12:39 |
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| tsufiev | doug-fish, yes | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ah, whoopsie | 12:39 |
| doug-fish | sounds like a Horizon security bug to me | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: I just don't see it | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, we've been discussing (internally) who should sanitize it | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | ah so not even upstream bug yet | 12:39 |
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| tsufiev | as of now this a our downstream repo bug, I'll file it as Horizon security | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | sorry, should have done this in advance | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: you can assign both cinder and horizon upstream and have those teams weigh in | 12:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that poses a question: do we have cores who are allows to deal with secret security bugs? | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | but horizon should sanitize it | 12:40 |
| tsufiev | ok | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: horizon-sec | 12:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thx | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | is a subset of horizon-core | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | if there are cores interested please ping me or the next PTL depending on your timing of wanting in | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | process is a bit different, so the group is limited | 12:41 |
| tsufiev | will update bug's status in a couple of minutes, once I discuss it with our security guy | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: make sure when you file it to mark as private security | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | and don't put it out for normal review! | 12:43 |
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| robcresswell | If there's time, we should also discuss the new Swift UI. | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: ++ | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | all reviews happen as attachments to the bug | 12:44 |
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| david-lyle | once there is a review in jenkins the bug is no longer private | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | and will be set as such | 12:44 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: we have lots of areas where we sanitize data, so we must be missing one | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | #topic swift views | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | go robcresswell | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | So the angular swift views have all merged | 12:47 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | (thanks everyone) | 12:47 |
| tsufiev | :) | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | Last I checked we hadnt quite decided what to do w/ regards to moving over. | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | I'm in favour of holding the python content, but making the angular content default. | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | that was my opinion as well | 12:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have a WIP with what I think is the most palatable approach https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293168/ | 12:48 |
| robcresswell | As it can't not be better. | 12:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I didn't get to work on it today, due to needing to look into the ironic ui and another internal thing | 12:48 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 12:48 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I hope to complete it tomorrow, though I wonder if that's not pushing the deadline a bit | 12:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (noting that "tomorrow" is in 7 hours ;-) | 12:50 |
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| david-lyle | I may have time to fix up too | 12:51 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | if someone else wants to grab that patch and run with it while I'm asleep, be my guest. | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: ok | 12:52 |
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| david-lyle | any other swifty toughts? | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | *thoughts | 12:53 |
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| robcresswell | nothing from me, other than thanks for the work r1chardj0n3s | 12:53 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | lots more to do! | 12:53 |
| robcresswell | and for persevering with my reviews :) | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | yes thanks r1chardj0n3s | 12:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-) | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | #topic hurgleburgler is a new horizon core | 12:54 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ | 12:54 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 12:54 |
| doug-fish | well deserved | 12:54 |
| tsufiev | more reviews \o/ :) | 12:54 |
| robcresswell | *.scss -1 | 12:55 |
| robcresswell | I'm sure she has that scripted somewhere. | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | so congrats to her and welcome | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 12:56 |
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| david-lyle | 4 minutes for your deepest thoughts | 12:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | isn't Horizon looking mighty pretty these days? | 12:56 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, on devstack it is :) | 12:57 |
| tsufiev | *does | 12:57 |
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| tsufiev | next station is Scale Performance | 12:58 |
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| robcresswell | On that note, I think your nva calls patch is in the gate tsufiev | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | nova* | 12:58 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, r1chardj0n3s: thank you for that, that's a beginning of a loong way :) | 12:59 |
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| tsufiev | will keep going there | 12:59 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks everyone let's wrap up the RC | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 13:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-16-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-16-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-03-16-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
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| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 13:02:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| atuvenie | hy all | 13:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:02 |
| abalutoiu | o/ | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | hello folks | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam_ | hi | 13:02 |
| sonu | hi | 13:02 |
| itoader | hi | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | let's start with the first item on the agenda | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Hyper-V cluster | 13:03 |
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| alexpilotti | atuvenie: would you like to give us a status update? | 13:03 |
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| alexpilotti | also if you could please add a link to the patches for review | 13:04 |
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| atuvenie | yeah. Well, the patch in os-win has 2 +2 and workflow, it's waiting patiently in the gate | 13:04 |
| domi_ | hi all! | 13:04 |
| atuvenie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276190/ | 13:04 |
| atuvenie | this is for os-win | 13:04 |
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| atuvenie | and this is the patch on compute #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281115/ | 13:05 |
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| alexpilotti | cool tx | 13:06 |
| lpetrut | Hi guys | 13:06 |
| atuvenie | the gate unfortunately is clogged atm and it's taking some time for things to merge | 13:06 |
| alexpilotti | in short this is pretty close to be merged in compute-hyperv | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam_ | nice | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i hope we can get it merged in Newton upstream | 13:07 |
| domi_ | i'd like to mention in this rdp console bug, has anyone seen this? http://paste.openstack.org/show/e1bCNzN2s6QUJvU5jZvb/ | 13:08 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: we'll push the patches as usual, we'll resubmit the BPs as soon as window opens, etc | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: thanks | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | domi got disconnected | 13:08 |
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| alexpilotti | rather interesting trace indeed | 13:09 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: ^ | 13:09 |
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| claudiub | weird | 13:10 |
| claudiub | seems like a wmi object got out | 13:10 |
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| alexpilotti | question is, how? | 13:12 |
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| claudiub | RDP console: 10.1.5.24:2179, <wmi._Method object at 0x05589BF0> | 13:14 |
| claudiub | that wmi_Method is supported to be the vm_id | 13:14 |
| lpetrut | if an attribute is not found, it is treated as a method by PyMI | 13:14 |
| claudiub | executing that in my local env yields a proper vm_id | 13:14 |
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| alexpilotti | you sure it couldnt be the console port? https://github.com/openstack/compute-hyperv/blob/stable/liberty/hyperv/nova/rdpconsoleutilsv2.py#L31 | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | lpetrut: we could always match it agains the class method tables, but that'd be an expensive lookup | 13:16 |
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| domi__ | thanks for looking into this | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | domi__: thanks for reporting it | 13:17 |
| claudiub | alexpilotti: the debug message matches this as a format: https://github.com/openstack/compute-hyperv/blob/stable/liberty/hyperv/nova/rdpconsoleops.py#L37 | 13:17 |
| claudiub | so, the port is 2179 | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | domi__: as a general rule, we need to put it on the agenda, during the meeting | 13:18 |
| domi__ | that was my original intention, but I needed to switch to my phone's irc client which sucks :( | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | best thing would be if you could send an email in advance, but even during the meeting we can just schedule it as a topic | 13:19 |
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| alexpilotti | it this case I was waiting for you to reconnect, so we started looking at it | 13:19 |
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| alexpilotti | anyway, worth taking it offline and looking into it | 13:19 |
| domi__ | okay, thanks for describing the process, in the future we will email you an hour before the meeting latest with any agenda items we might have | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: i have some questions for domi_ on freerdp, if you are fine, can ask it | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: sure, I'm currently looking at some links for the next topic (Rally tests), so please go ahead | 13:21 |
| domi__ | hit me :) | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam_ | domi_: where is freerdp running ? on hyperv host where nova-compute is running or on some other host ? | 13:22 |
| domi__ | the same host currently | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok.. and what are the networks on the hyperv host ? | 13:23 |
| domi__ | well it has a mgmt network, storage network (iscsi) multipath and an smb network interface if I remember correctly | 13:24 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:24 |
| domi__ | currently freerdp goes through the mgmt network | 13:24 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | and on which network is horizon access done ? | 13:24 |
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| domi__ | on the mgmt network, although there is a haproxy first to balance between 2 horizon instances | 13:25 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam_ | so tenant users access horizon on mgmt-network | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and since the hyperv host has the mgmt network | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam_ | freerdp works fine | 13:26 |
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| domi__ | but it is possible that there is routing involved inbetween | 13:26 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | routing is required ? since horizon access is done on mgmt network | 13:27 |
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| domi__ | that's what was changed recently if I'm correct, I need to ask my colleague | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam_ | sure, lets discuss this offline | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam_ | or in the next meeting | 13:28 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | you can let me know more details | 13:28 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilloti: we can move to next topic | 13:29 |
| alexpilotti | cool thanks | 13:29 |
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| domi__ | ok thanks | 13:30 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic Mitaka Rally tests | 13:30 |
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| alexpilotti | So we just finished running a new batch of Rally tests on Mitaka, to see how we compare to LIberty | 13:30 |
| alexpilotti | results are rather impressive, so far: | 13:30 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9060190/KVM_vs_PyMI_Mitaka.html | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | This is the spawn / destroy test | 13:31 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | almost same as kvm... nice | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | Liberty ones, for comparison: #https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9060190/PyMI_KVM_ESXi_Liberty.html | 13:32 |
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| domi__ | good news! | 13:32 |
| sonu | would like to see similar results with Neutron | 13:33 |
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| alexpilotti | sonu: we're running now a run with ssh guest access | 13:33 |
| domi__ | sonu: in our tests neutron is fast but applying the security groups that takes a lot of time | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | and next a run with Hadoop workloads | 13:33 |
| sonu | great. | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | this is very early results of course | 13:34 |
| claudiub | domi__: the neutron-hyperv-agent is a lot faster in mitaka, btw. :) | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: sonu : the patches which were merged for security groups.. does it not fix the issue ? | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | abalutoiu: sent them while we already started the meeting, so fresh :) | 13:34 |
| domi__ | glad to hear that :) although in the end we'd prefer ovs with vxlans :) | 13:34 |
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| sonu | domi__: security rules had always been hard to handle in hyper-v. But with many perf improvement patches from Claudiu and Me had yielded better results. | 13:35 |
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| domi__ | that's excellent, thank you guys! | 13:35 |
| sonu | wow. OVS is also my pick for HyperV | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_ sonu: yes those networking-hyperv patches have a big role in the performance improvements | 13:35 |
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| alexpilotti | so, we'll get more updates for the next meeting | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: so why is SG not performing as well ... you mentioned it earlier... am i missing something ? | 13:36 |
| sonu | alexpilotti: Is there any chance we can get them back-ported to Liberty. We have few customers planning to using them with Liberty. | 13:36 |
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| domi__ | +1 on that | 13:37 |
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| sonu | Just asking out of curiosity, since many are on Liberty/stable | 13:37 |
| alexpilotti | sonu, we might most probably do that after release, but just remember that BPs cannot be backported upstream | 13:37 |
| sonu | the native thread patch, and enhanced RPC patch | 13:37 |
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| sonu | sure. I understand that process. | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | we're focused now on getting Mitaka released, as soon as that is done we'll focus on backports | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | we still have lots of users and customers on Kilo or Liberty, so we try to backport as much as we can | 13:39 |
| sonu | thanks. I feel relaxed :) | 13:39 |
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| alexpilotti | next topic! | 13:40 |
| alexpilotti | #topic OVN | 13:40 |
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| alexpilotti | OVN, is the OVS' team attempt to have a controller that fixes some of the issues that Neutron has, especially when involving the OVS agent | 13:42 |
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| sonu | it was introduced in vancouver summit if I remember. | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | it reached a maturity status that allows us to evaluate it as a viable strategy for OVS networking (VXLAN, GRE, etc) | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | one of the advantages is that it's agentless, so no need to bother with the OVS agent on the hyper-v nodes :) | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | flos and configurations are applied via ovs-db over TCP | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | *flows | 13:44 |
| domi__ | sounds interesting, how would the flow look like with ovn? neutron-node talks to ovn or ovn plugs in directly to openstack? | 13:44 |
| sonu | on windows 2016 I believe | 13:44 |
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| alexpilotti | OVS needs to run on the Hyper-V nodes, so Windows Server 2012+ | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | 2016 has some ovsdb support, but it's more like a translation mapping to the new controller that comes with 2016 | 13:45 |
| sonu | but for that we must have conntrack on OVS for use in hyperv | 13:45 |
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| sonu | since security group rules will get into OVSDB | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | the general architecture is: Neutron -> OVN plugin -> ovsdb -> ovs-vswitchd on hyper-v nodes | 13:46 |
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| domi__ | alexpilotti: thanks I understand now | 13:46 |
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| alexpilotti | sonu: for that, conntrack support is currently under development in OVS | 13:47 |
| domi__ | and then it will be ported by you for windows? | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | so with OVS 2.6, we should be able to say goodbye to the Hyper-V WMI ACL :) | 13:47 |
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| sonu | target is OVS 2.6 I would say. | 13:47 |
| sonu | yeah | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | I mean, conntrack on hyper-V is planned for 2.6 | 13:47 |
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| domi__ | okay | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | on linux it's already supported | 13:48 |
| domi__ | oh I see :) | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | so reason to bring this up now is to show the direction that we are investigating | 13:48 |
| sonu | And OVS firewall has made it to M3 | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | we'll do more tests with OVN soon, and give you some updates | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | on a sligtly related topic, we are releasing OVS 2.5 for hyper-v this month / early next month | 13:50 |
| domi__ | can't wait to see this in action | 13:50 |
| alexpilotti | any questions? | 13:50 |
| sonu | releasing OVS2.5, I did not get it. | 13:50 |
| domi__ | is there an updated documentation as well? | 13:50 |
| sonu | certification you meant? | 13:50 |
| domi__ | because we still couldn't figure out some stuff...like is the interface in ovs called ehternet1 or the full name etc. | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | we dont have a signed OVS 2.5 out yet | 13:51 |
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| alexpilotti | it just got released last month upstream | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | so wer'e currently packaging etc | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | documentation will also be updated | 13:52 |
| domi__ | thanks | 13:52 |
| sonu | so we can use it with WMI firewall driver. | 13:52 |
| sonu | or is it we use it w/o security groups | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | at the moment we dont have any choice: OVS for SDN and WMI ACL for SGs | 13:52 |
| sonu | I did succeed in using WMI firewall driver with OVS implementation | 13:53 |
| domi__ | so the ovs agent handles currently sg using wmi? | 13:53 |
| sonu | for VXLAN use case. | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | domi__: nop, we use both agents | 13:53 |
| domi__ | sonu: nice :) we failed on that road | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | sonu: glad to hear that! | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | we will surely provide better guidance on how to proceed on that | 13:53 |
| domi__ | great thanks | 13:54 |
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| alexpilotti | that was my last topic for today | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | #topic open discussion | 13:54 |
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| alexpilotti | 6' to go | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: one topic from me | 13:55 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | certs | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 13:55 |
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| alexpilotti | anything in particular? | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam_ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/490711/ | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | ok | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam_ | the cert is the same from controller | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | no changes | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | just copied to desktop | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and add these entries in nova.conf | 13:56 |
| domi__ | alexpilotti: sidenote - could you provide email addresses for sagar and sonu, so I can ask them about freerdp and ovs? then they don't need to post their addresses here publicly | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | it should all work correctly ? | 13:56 |
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| alexpilotti | does it work with verify = False? | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | not tried that | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | what entry in nova.conf for verify false ? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | can check it and see if that also works | 13:57 |
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| alexpilotti | should still be cafile = False, need to check that | 13:58 |
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| alexpilotti | let me add ibalutoiu | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | he recently did exactly that | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | if both work Ie. false and actual cafile | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | then it is fine ? | 13:59 |
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| alexpilotti | we need to end the meeting unfortunately | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we are almost done with the time | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | I'm starting n email thread | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | sure thanks | 13:59 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | it helps | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | thank you all for joining! | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 13:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-16-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-16-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-03-16-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 15:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hello | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbrndt | o/ | 15:00 |
| ho_away | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm sort of out this week on spring break, and haven't been checking up on things | 15:01 |
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| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | looks like there are several agenda items at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday March 16, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1. Periodic metrics support | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/292753 | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/292758 | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2. monasca-log-api specifiction | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/273058 | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3. vertica/api reduction of inner joins patch | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Â 3.1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287507/ | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | So, i'll go though the list | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | #topic period metrics support | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm assuming that is tomasz | 15:03 |
| witek | Tomasz has started working on periodic metrics | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, i see | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | looks like ben is the only reviewer so far | 15:03 |
| witek | he doesn't have much experience with monasca-thresh and storm | 15:03 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | hi fabiog | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think gettign some eyes on that | 15:04 |
| witek | if someone could take a look, we would be very thankfull | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i wont' review this week | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'll get back to it next week | 15:04 |
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| witek | rhochmuth: thanks | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | also our expert in this area craig is alos out htis week | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | on spring break too | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | but when he returns next hopefully he can review too | 15:05 |
| witek | great | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | unfortuanately, he is a slacker and doesn't show up to meetings when he is on break | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:05 |
| witek | haha | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | either that or he is smarter than me | 15:06 |
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| bklei | no comment | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | i guess it isn't a lot of code to make those changes | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | so, the reviews should go prety quickly | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-log-api specifiction | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | So, it looks like we are trying to wrap-up on, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273058/ | 15:08 |
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| fabiog | I think is good to go | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | looks like there are several +1s and 2s, so agree | 15:08 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: press the +1 workflow ;-) | 15:08 |
| witek | :) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | so, then i'm assuming tsv will wrap-up the implementation | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i think he was the last one in there | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | his review is in merge conflict right now, but if we fixes that up, then it should get merged soon | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | as well as making sure the implementation is correct | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i'm going to let witold merge it | 15:11 |
| witek | you mean implementation? | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | actually, i meant the spec, but since you started the spec that wouldn't be best | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | i can +2 it | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | tsv still needs to wrap the implementation | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | assiming he is going to do that | 15:12 |
| witek | i can merge the spec if we agree so here | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i agree | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | one of these days i'll figure out how to do votes in irc | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic vertica/api reduction of inner joins patch | 15:13 |
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| bklei | that's me | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i'm assuming you want to get this merged | 15:14 |
| bklei | i think it's ready -- anyone disagree? | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | i haven't been able to test | 15:14 |
| bklei | yep | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | but the code looks fine | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | rbrandt might be able to help | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | he should be here | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | rbrndt: u there? | 15:15 |
| bklei | sounds like he pulled in kaiyan to test | 15:15 |
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| rbrndt | I tested it a little myself and kayak ran the tempest tests against it | 15:15 |
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| rbrndt | I was hoping to go over it once more before approving | 15:15 |
| bklei | sure -- np | 15:15 |
| bklei | thx rbrndt | 15:15 |
| rbrndt | apologies to kaiyan whose name apparently auto corrects to kayak | 15:15 |
| bklei | :) | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | ok, then i'm assuming that will get merged relatively soon | 15:16 |
| bklei | sweet | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287507/ | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | sorry thought that was a new topic the way the indenting worked out | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | #topic 4. multiple metric and group_by | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | I started this review last wek https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289675/ | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | rbrndt is working on it now because i'mout | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | basically, we would like to add a group_by query parameter to the measurmeents and statistics resources | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | initially, we would like to only support "group_by=*", to group_by all unique dimensions | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | this would impact the vertica and influxdb repos | 15:19 |
| bklei | early testing of it was good at TWC -- rbrndt ping me when more baked and i'll retest | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | the goal is to return multiple metrics in a single query | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | did you look at performance | 15:20 |
| bklei | no -- just in my sandbox, that'd be tough until it merges and deploys | 15:20 |
| bklei | but it's gonna scream by design :) | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | so, is everyone ok with this change | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't think we submitted a blueprint to explicitly cover what this is about | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | but the review is in progress, although will probably be a couple of weeks until it is complete | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | does anyone want to discuss further? | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | the reasons/motiviation for the change, the syntax, ... | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | implications, … | 15:22 |
| witek | I haven't take a look before, but please explain | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | currently, when querying measurments or statistics, only one metric is returned | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | you can use the merge_metrics, to merge metrics, but in that case, it is still "one metric" | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | we are starting to see that this is becoming a performance bottleneck | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | for example, at twc where they are displaying multiple vm metrics per tenant, let's say 10-20 VMs, and 10 separate graphs, that results in 100-220 separte queries of the API | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | There is also a use case that we are seeing in Ceilosca | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | the group_by parameter will allow you to get multiple independent metrics back in a single query | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | we would like to support group_by=region, zone, hostname, ... | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | where region, zone, hostname are dimension keys/names | 15:26 |
| bklei | once ^^ merges, rbak will make some corresponding grafana2 changes to parse the multiple metrics returned | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | in the short-term however, we would just like to support group_by=* | 15:27 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: would the group_by allow several params in a single group or is only ine? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | where "*" is a wildacard for all dimensions | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | in other words, return all the unique metrics | 15:27 |
| shinya_kwbt | that's interesting | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | it would allow several, fabiog | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | that is the end-goal, anyway | 15:28 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: ok | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | so, the review is up and you can follow the progress of it | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | and comment on it | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm expecting a very significant performance increase as a result | 15:29 |
| rbak | rhochmuth: Any idea what the timeline for supporting params other than * would be? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | rbrndt: u there still? | 15:29 |
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| fabiog | rhochmuth: is only java, is still WIP or no plans to add Python? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | we will add python too | 15:30 |
| rbrndt | I'm still here | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | goal is too support java/python influxdb and vertica | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | all variations | 15:30 |
| fabiog | btw, are we supporting Influx 0.10? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | rbrndt: now that you've looked at this for a couple of days, do you have a time-line | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | for the complete java/python vertica/influxdb implementation? | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | no pressure | 15:31 |
| rbrndt | I've begun work on the pagination issues we discussed for vertica, so I expect that will be done or close to done today | 15:31 |
| rbrndt | I have some idea about the influx implementation, but I've yet to test them | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | so, 2-3 weeks maybe | 15:32 |
| rbrndt | The python should follow pretty easily once the java is done | 15:32 |
| rbrndt | I would say 2 would be sufficient to get a pretty good attempt done | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | so, it will be past the mitaka release date | 15:32 |
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| rbrndt | mostly likely | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | anymore questions on that topic | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | witek: did that answer your questions? | 15:33 |
| jobrs | what about cassandra support? | 15:33 |
| witek | yes, I have an idea :) | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | jobrs: let's talk about next, related to the influxdb discussion | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | let me know if you have any further questions, and please comment on review if any conerns | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic infuxdb 0.10.X | 15:34 |
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| jobrs | you were just mentioning influx and vertica above. influxdb will stop giving away versions with cluster support for free soon. | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | mhoppal, are you there | 15:35 |
| mhoppal | yes here | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | jobrs: oh no | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | so, we've been doing a lot of influxdb analyis again | 15:35 |
| jobrs | definitely | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | mhoppal can give an update | 15:36 |
| shinya_kwbt | that too bad ;-( | 15:36 |
| mhoppal | yes so we run some scale testing with influx 9.5 and the new version of 10 | 15:36 |
| mhoppal | looking to see if there were any differences between the two | 15:36 |
| mhoppal | we saw a significant improvements in 10 | 15:37 |
| mhoppal | we are still going through the testing but have scaled 10 up to around 9000 measurements per a second | 15:37 |
| bklei | is that clustered -- or single node? | 15:37 |
| mhoppal | clustered | 15:37 |
| jobrs | which storage engine? | 15:37 |
| mhoppal | tsm | 15:37 |
| mhoppal | for 10 | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | tsm is default in 10 | 15:37 |
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| mhoppal | yes | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | how is stability? | 15:38 |
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| mhoppal | great | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | how is disk utilization? | 15:38 |
| mhoppal | about 10x better then 9.5 | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | so, disk utilization is 1/10 | 15:39 |
| mhoppal | also in 9.5 we run into issues geting past 5000 measurements per a second we were recieving timeouts from influxdb and 10 had no issues with that | 15:39 |
| mhoppal | and yes | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | so, summary, performance is looking good, hitting 9000 metrics/sec in test, but we haven't pushed harder yet | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | stability is great | 15:40 |
| mhoppal | yes we are going to push it up further | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | compression is 10X better that 0.9.5 | 15:40 |
| mhoppal | and then start to do ha fail over testing | 15:40 |
| mhoppal | but it is looking a lot better | 15:40 |
| christian_ | did you test failure scenarios like split brain, remove one node and bring it back into the cluster? | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | additioanlly, compressions is 2X better than vertica | 15:40 |
| mhoppal | and the memory is a lot better as well | 15:40 |
| mhoppal | we have not done much failure scenarios yet | 15:41 |
| mhoppal | in the plan for the next week | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | christian_: we've done some initial ha testing, but more is planned | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | so far, we haven't seen any issues | 15:41 |
| christian_ | thanks...please keep us up to date :-) | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | so, based on that, we are rethinking our work on Cassandra | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | jobrs: do you have a link on the clustering | 15:42 |
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| bklei | you mean moving up or pushing out work on cassandra? | 15:42 |
| jobrs | https://influxdata.com/blog/update-on-influxdb-clustering-high-availability-and-monetization/ | 15:43 |
| bmotz | I was just about to post that... | 15:43 |
| jobrs | sry | 15:43 |
| bmotz | no problem! :) | 15:43 |
| bmotz | it was just to say that we are rethinking our plans around Influx | 15:43 |
| bmotz | support is priced around $500/server/month | 15:44 |
| bmotz | https://influxdata.com/pricing/#product-subscriptions | 15:44 |
| jobrs | cassandra scaleability may be another pro (after looking at what netflix is doing with it) | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | the reason why we started with cassandra is due to the problems with influxdb | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | now that influxdb is looking good, we have much less of a reason to do cassandra | 15:45 |
| bmotz | are there any blueprints or specs about the Cassandra thoughts? | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | we still haven't made the final decision thgouth | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | there is a cassandra blueprint | 15:46 |
| bklei | does the fact that clustering won't be free with influxdb add another dimension to the cassandra support decision rhochmuth? | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | yes it does | 15:46 |
| jobrs | this is what they plan exactly: "Next week we’ll be cutting the first release candidate for the 0.11.0 release. While this release includes significant improvements in the query engine and the clustering code base, it will be the last open source version that includes clustering." | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | that is really bad news | 15:47 |
| jobrs | but two maintenance releases are released before at least (0.10.3 and 0.11) | 15:47 |
| bmotz | I've been pointed towards KairosDB, which is built on Cassandra, but I haven't had a chance to look yet | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | i'll read the post more thoroughly after this meeting | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | maybe we should fork influxdb? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | thanks mhoppal for the update | 15:49 |
| mhoppal | of course | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Shinya's notification methods | 15:50 |
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| shinya_kwbt | that's me | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for the review | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i just wanted to give you change to let folks know what you are working on | 15:50 |
| bmotz | thanks | 15:50 |
| shinya_kwbt | Im planning to change pagination style to Horizon style. | 15:51 |
| shinya_kwbt | This needs sort parameter to api. So I added. | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | and this applies to notification methods? | 15:52 |
| shinya_kwbt | Im writing selenium integration test. | 15:52 |
| shinya_kwbt | Alarm Defs and Alarms already have sort parameter. | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:53 |
| shinya_kwbt | It is difficult for me to write selenium test for current implementation of pagination. | 15:53 |
| shinya_kwbt | So I planned to change pagination style. | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | the paginiation style changes impact the monaca-ui | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | correct? | 15:55 |
| shinya_kwbt | yes Horizon standard style. | 15:55 |
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| shinya_kwbt | It is able to change num of list. | 15:56 |
| shinya_kwbt | By setting page. | 15:56 |
| shinya_kwbt | Current implementaion is hard corded 10. | 15:56 |
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| shinya_kwbt | If big screen you have, it is convinient. | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | ok, will checout out the review | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | probably need to wrap-up | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | one other think, i'll be applying tags for the mitaka release in the next week or two | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | tags need to be applied by March 31st, | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | this will be the first "official" monasca release in-sync with openstack | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | so, we need to be careful about stability risky changes | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | for the next couple of weeks | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | ok, eveyrone meeting is done | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | it always creeps up to fast | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bye | 16:00 |
| bklei | cya | 16:00 |
| witek | thanks Roland | 16:00 |
| rbrndt | bye | 16:00 |
| witek | bye | 16:00 |
| ho_away | thanks & bye | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 16:00:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-16-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-16-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-03-16-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
| eglute | o/ | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:00 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:00 |
| gema | o/ | 16:01 |
| tgraichen | bye | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.15 Today's agenda | 16:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | bye | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | Please have a look at today's agenda and note any late additions | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | Glad to see you all made it in spite of the DST change here in the US. =) | 16:02 |
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| luzC | hello | 16:02 |
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| eglute | I like DST, i just dont like the switching! | 16:02 |
| eglute | hello luzC! | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Midcycle recap | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle recap (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:02 | |
| brunssen | Hello everyone. | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle Etherpad from DefCore midcycle meetup | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | Thanks to everyone who came down to Texas, and special thanks to Vince and IBM for hosting us | 16:03 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | If you took action items from the sessions, they should hopefully be reflected in the Etherpad | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | I know I have several. =) | 16:03 |
| eglute | should we review who has what and decide on timelines? | 16:04 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: We could, but that could take a while...it's a long list. Maybe we should just ask first if anyone is unclear on their AI's or timelines? | 16:04 |
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| eglute | that sounds like a good idea | 16:05 |
| brunssen | @markvoelker, you are welcome | 16:05 |
| brunssen | It was our pleasure to host. | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | On my end, I think the first thing I owe is a 2016.07 draft. I should get that pushed up for review later tonight. | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | That should u | 16:05 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | nblock a few other things | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | Does anyone else need clarification on AI's or timing? | 16:06 |
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| eglute | i am good for now | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Ok, hearing nothing then...the next big thing for several folks is scoring, which is due soon. And is the next topic on our agenda today, as luck would have it. | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | =) | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | #topic Scoring | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | We need to get scoring patches submitted ASAP. Our deadline is only about a week and a half away now, so the sooner the better. | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | #info Scoring patches due March 27 | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Hopefully each of you have had a chance by now to reach out to PTL's and others to solicit input...if you need help on that front, please let us know! | 16:09 |
| catherineD | Let me know when it is time for me to discuss Heat scoring | 16:09 |
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| markvoelker | Any other scoring stuff before we get to Heat? | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | Ok then: catherineD, let's talk about Heat. The floor is yours. =) | 16:11 |
| catherineD | Thx markvoelker: | 16:11 |
| catherineD | So I have discussed scoring with the Heat team | 16:11 |
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| catherineD | basically, they have not implemented tempest plugin interface for their in-tree test yet | 16:12 |
| catherineD | as a result of the discussion , a BP was created | 16:12 |
| * markvoelker sees that as a positive | 16:13 | |
| catherineD | #link Heat BP for tempest plugin https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/tempest-plugin-support .. target for Newton | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | So I guess the question is: if that isn't going to land until Newton, where does that leave us for this coming Guideline? | 16:13 |
| catherineD | question: does it make sense to request for scoring Heat now or should wait for the BP implemation? | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | E.g., are there tests in Tempest today that are reasonable in the interim? | 16:13 |
| eglute | we cant add those tests to defcore until the patch lands | 16:13 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: They do not think what are in Tempest today is a good representative of Heat features | 16:14 |
| catherineD | I was planning to have a face-2-face working session with them at the Austin summit | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: Ok. I personally haven't looked through the ones in Tempest lately so I'll trust their judgement. Kinda disappointing not to have anything for this Guideline though. | 16:15 |
| catherineD | to at least get the in-tree test list and capabilities | 16:15 |
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| dmellado | catherineD: besides this exact case for Heat, how're you dealing with the test split in tempest? I mean that when it comes from the tempest plugins in other repos and moved tests | 16:16 |
| catherineD | we do have the capabilities in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216983/ | 16:16 |
| dmellado | ? | 16:16 |
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| catherineD | dmellado: if the in-tree tests are implemented with tempest plugin... testr list test will give a complete test list including the test in tempest and those with plugin | 16:17 |
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| catherineD | so from testing we should be OK | 16:17 |
| dmellado | catherineD: I know, but my question is about the projects who lacks tempest plugin | 16:18 |
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| dmellado | and tests have been already moved | 16:18 |
| dmellado | i.e. neutron api tests | 16:18 |
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| catherineD | I belieev DefCore's stand is DefCore test must be able to initiate test byTtempest. Right? markvoelker: eglute: | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | dmellado: moved? into or out of tempest? | 16:19 |
| dmellado | hogepodge: some neutron tempest tests were moved out of tempest to the neutron repo | 16:19 |
| eglute | catherineD is correct. dmellado are you talking about current defcore tests that were already moved? | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: yes. Mechanically that's the easiest way to pick those up today. | 16:19 |
| eglute | dmellado can you provide examples? this is news to us | 16:20 |
| dmellado | eglute: not current in defcore, but for the future | 16:20 |
| dmellado | sorry if I was alarming ;) | 16:20 |
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| eglute | dmellado ah in that case it is ok! | 16:20 |
| dmellado | I'm currently working, or trying to, in the neutron tempest plugin | 16:21 |
| dmellado | and thus was interested ;) | 16:21 |
| eglute | are you planning on moving current defcore tests into the plugin? | 16:21 |
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| eglute | or all of the neutron tests into the plugin? | 16:21 |
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| dmellado | eglute: neutron moved quite some tests to their own repo | 16:21 |
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| dmellado | basically I need the plugin to run them from tempest | 16:22 |
| eglute | do you already have a working plugin? if not, how far away are you? | 16:22 |
| dmellado | i.e. https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/api/test_networks.py | 16:22 |
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| dmellado | I'm working on it and probably not too far, but most probably won't be landing in mitaka | 16:23 |
| dmellado | (just too many things xD) | 16:23 |
| catherineD | dmellado: I think the project needs to be aware that if the tests are targeted as DefCore plugin then they needed to be able to run from Tempest | 16:23 |
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| catherineD | DefCore plugin --> DefCore tests :-) | 16:24 |
| dmellado | I'm not sure about defcore, pretty new to it | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | qa has indicated that they would like defcore tests to stick around in tempest where possible | 16:24 |
| dmellado | so sorry if I ask too many maybe known things | 16:24 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: thx | 16:24 |
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| dmellado | at any case as of today they run just fine, just was thinking about the next movements | 16:24 |
| dmellado | thanks hogepodge for pointing that out | 16:25 |
| eglute | dmellado you are at the right place! and we definitely want to know about this as early as possible | 16:25 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: eglute: hogepodge: back to Heat scoring ... | 16:25 |
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| hogepodge | plugin is a compromise, but if those tests could move back (I know), that's a course to consider | 16:25 |
| catherineD | do we still want to work with the test they have in Tempest today or wait? | 16:25 |
| eglute | we do need to consider the plugin route though | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I think that I'd need to look into what's in Tempest for Heat today before I can really have an opinion. | 16:26 |
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| eglute | catherineD i think if they suggest not using the tempest tests, we should not use them. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: That said, if the Heat folks feel those are so insufficient that they'd rather have nothing for this Guideline... | 16:26 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: seems like so .. because without the plugin ... we can not run the tests .. | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: In your conversations with the Heat folks, did they understand that without a plugin we have to use the in-Tempest tests or nothing this time around? | 16:28 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: they do so they would like to implement the plugin in Newton | 16:29 |
| catherineD | by defining BP and owner | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | Ok. So they're ok with not having anything in the next Guideline then? | 16:29 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: Let me double check with them on the fact that whether they are OK witj not having anything in the next Guideline | 16:30 |
| eglute | thanks catherineD | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | Ok. If they're willing to wait another six months I have no real problem with that. It's fine to continue working on identifying candidate capabilities, but obviously no pressure on the March 27 date. | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker | Any work you do now will simply help ensure adequate test coverage exists and make scoring easier down the line. =) | 16:31 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: +1 | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on scoring before we move on? | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | ok, moving on then | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | #topic RefStack | 16:33 |
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| * markvoelker turns the floor back over to catherineD | 16:33 | |
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| catherineD | openstack: Thx | 16:33 |
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| catherineD | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290689/ | 16:34 |
| catherineD | it was updated with patch#2 to add the tests instead of renaming ... | 16:34 |
| catherineD | but I think we need to think of the long term solution because the test lists are dynamic | 16:35 |
| eglute | catherineD what do you propose? | 16:35 |
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| catherineD | Out plan is to provide a REST API in RefStack to let user download the test list | 16:35 |
| catherineD | The REST API would reconstruct the list everytime the user requests | 16:36 |
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| catherineD | so it is a live test list with many options that the user can choose (list only required, or with alias , or advisory ...) | 16:36 |
| catherineD | we will also provide a link at the RefStack server UI | 16:37 |
| dmellado | would that also affect the tempest tag that the refstack client will be downloading? | 16:37 |
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| catherineD | dmellado: the test list is constructed from the guideline JSON files | 16:38 |
| catherineD | and not from testr test list of tempest | 16:38 |
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| dmellado | catherineD: I see, thanks for the clarification | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | but the guideline files do change overtime due to flagged tests etc ... | 16:39 |
| catherineD | so it is dynamic | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | this only gets more difficult once out of tree tests are admitted | 16:39 |
| dmellado | so how does the guideline JSON files get built? from the scoring that mentioned before? | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | dmellado: yep. I'll dig up an example patch review for you to peruse if you like | 16:40 |
| dmellado | that'd be great markvoelker, thanks! | 16:40 |
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| luzC | please count me in for the example as well please | 16:41 |
| catherineD | but for the immediate issue, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290689/ should be merged | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | dmellado: luzC: here's the patch that added networking capabilities...I'll use it as an example since I wrote it and since it got a lot of discussion =) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210080/ | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: makes sense | 16:42 |
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| dmellado | thanks markvoelker ;) | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: anything further? | 16:43 |
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| catherineD | not for this topic ... | 16:44 |
| catherineD | could we discuss the next RefStack topic | 16:44 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: absolutely, go for it | 16:44 |
| catherineD | I am really sorry that this is the third times we discuss the "List RefStack Users" topic | 16:45 |
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| catherineD | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-March/001066.html | 16:45 |
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| catherineD | during the RefStack meeting , it was suggested that I send the email | 16:46 |
| eglute | I think ONLY foundation members should be able to list users in refstack | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, so we've been over this a few times but I think we're getting new info as we unravel the ball of yarn a bit so it's fine to bring it back up. | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | I'm torn on this issue | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | One thing that it might be useful to clarify: it feels like part of the resistance here is that not allowing normal users to list user data is that doing so creates extra work/complexity for you guys. =) And that's a valid concern. Is that true? | 16:48 |
| hogepodge | On one hand we're open and all this information is available anyway. On the other, I don't want to give someone a simple API to generate a spam list. | 16:48 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: I think we need to look at the principal ... how we implement should not affect the principal | 16:49 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: We get the user infor for openstackid which own by Foundation | 16:50 |
| gema | catherineD: +1 | 16:50 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: I don't disagree, but what I'm sort of meandering toward is kind of what hogepodge is getting at: if it's really burdensome to do it this way and 90% of that info is available already anyway...maybe I could be convinced the costs outweigh the benefits. But if it's not a ton of extra work, I'd prefer we stick to the original intent, which is to disclose the least info necessary to do the job. | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: +1 | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: That's why I'm curious how much work this adds up to. | 16:53 |
| eglute | markvoelker +1 | 16:53 |
| gema | less than the amount of time we've spent discussing this, for sure | 16:53 |
| gema | specially for catherineD :) | 16:53 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: how much work is depending on individual opinion,s | 16:53 |
| catherineD | gema: haha | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: I think probably the RefStack team is best situated to figure out a reasonable level of effort estimate...unfortunately we're probably not. | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | So what I'd suggest... | 16:54 |
| catherineD | My concern is once the data is exposed we can not get it back ... I hate to see RefStack being the one who does that ... | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | Is that we once again re-iterate our assertion that our preference is to disclose the least amount of information necessary to perform the required tasks. That's our guiding recommendation. | 16:55 |
| eglute | Unless there is a really good reason to list ALL registered users for any logged in user, Refstack should not be displaying it | 16:55 |
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| markvoelker | If RefStack decides to go a different route because the effort is too much...I'm probably ok with that call. | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | We can give the guidance, but the implementation is ultimately up to those who are writing the code, really. | 16:56 |
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| markvoelker | Does that sound reasonable to folks? | 16:56 |
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| catherineD | eglute: markvoelker: hogepodge: gema: I would appreciate if you all can response to the email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-March/001066.html | 16:56 |
| eglute | will do, sorry haven't yet! | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: can do. | 16:57 |
| gema | catherineD: will do | 16:57 |
| catherineD | eglute: no problem at all .... | 16:57 |
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| catherineD | thank you all... I hope this would be the last time I bring this issue here :-) | 16:57 |
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| dmellado | it's an interesting topic, though | 16:58 |
| dmellado | if we assume this is all 'open', then yeah | 16:58 |
| dmellado | anyway, I'll try to find some time to reply ;) | 16:58 |
| catherineD | dmellado: thank you! | 16:58 |
| eglute | catherineD, please do bring things up as they come up | 16:58 |
| catherineD | eglute: thank you | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #action all please respond to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-March/001066.html | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Anything further? We're about out of time | 16:59 |
| catherineD | nope from me | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, thanks folks! | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 17:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-16-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-16-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-03-16-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 17:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/! | 17:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | bauzas: ping | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
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| mriedem | bauzas is at a bday party for the mrs | 17:00 |
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| alaski | ahh, okay | 17:01 |
| mriedem | or so he says | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic Cells testing | 17:01 |
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| alaski | everything seems quiet | 17:01 |
| melwitt | agreed | 17:01 |
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| alaski | traditionally this topic has been about v1 testing but I'd like to expand it to include v2 testing as well, beyond unit tests I mean | 17:01 |
| alaski | melwitt: excellent | 17:02 |
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| alaski | mainly I'd like to start thinking about grenade and upgrade testing in this portion of the meeting | 17:02 |
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| alaski | since melwitts nova-manage command merged in M we can use that for grenade testing once the branches switch | 17:03 |
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| alaski | but until that happens there's not much we can do | 17:03 |
| alaski | but if anyone has ideas on what/how to test bring them forward | 17:04 |
| mriedem | well, | 17:04 |
| mriedem | nvm | 17:04 |
| doffm | At some point we will need a multi cell test, but we arn't there yet. | 17:04 |
| alaski | doffm: agreed | 17:04 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure how the nova-manage command fits into grenade really | 17:05 |
| mriedem | i.e. do you populate some stuff in mitaka and then run the command in newton? | 17:05 |
| alaski | I did not do a good job updating the agenda so we'll skip the next planned topic "Open reviews" | 17:05 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes | 17:05 |
| mriedem | alaski: then we didn't really need the command to land in mitaka right? | 17:05 |
| alaski | but I believe grenade only has access to it if it lands in current-1 | 17:05 |
| alaski | grenade only updates computes I think | 17:06 |
| mriedem | so you run the command in mitaka side of grenade too? | 17:06 |
| mriedem | there are different ways to grenade, there is the all upgrade, and the partial upgrade | 17:06 |
| alaski | no, the command just runs on N | 17:06 |
| mriedem | partial upgrades everything but n-cpu | 17:06 |
| mriedem | gate-grenade-dsvm is full upgrade of everything | 17:06 |
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| mriedem | what used to be the n-cpu job was upgrade all but n-cpu, that's now the multinode grenade job | 17:07 |
| alaski | okay, my details are off then. but I know I've hit the issue in the past where grenade couldn't run a nova-manage thing from the current branch | 17:07 |
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| alaski | maybe it's fixed | 17:07 |
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| alaski | oh, maybe it's that devstack runs the same for both? and errors if the command isn't in current-1 | 17:08 |
| mriedem | yes, | 17:09 |
| mriedem | well, | 17:09 |
| mriedem | it'll be devstack n-1 for old, then devstack n | 17:09 |
| mriedem | so if you need to run a thing in n-1, it has to exist | 17:09 |
| mriedem | :) | 17:09 |
| alaski | heh. either way the thing merged so we're good :) | 17:10 |
| mriedem | right, plus it doesn't sound like you need the cli there anyway | 17:10 |
| mriedem | were there any data migrations that needed testing? | 17:10 |
| mriedem | *any other | 17:11 |
| doffm | We might need to add cell0 commands that didn't make it. But... as mriedem described we should be ok running them just on 'n' | 17:11 |
| alaski | right. though we could test mapping cells then upgrading, though it's not realistic as noone should be mapping cells yet | 17:11 |
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| alaski | mriedem: just the cell0 one from doffm | 17:11 |
| mriedem | i'd think at some point we use the multinode job where cell0 is one node and the other is not | 17:12 |
| mriedem | but, | 17:12 |
| mriedem | then do we require a 3 node job/ | 17:12 |
| mriedem | ? | 17:12 |
| mriedem | like for live migration | 17:12 |
| mriedem | cell0 but 2 nodes for actually migrating things | 17:12 |
| alaski | you could coexist the api with a cell | 17:12 |
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| mriedem | infra is going to looove that | 17:12 |
| mriedem | but still, | 17:12 |
| mriedem | 2 compute cells, right? | 17:12 |
| mriedem | +cell0 | 17:12 |
| doffm | Yep. | 17:12 |
| mriedem | so 3 nodes | 17:13 |
| mriedem | 3 hosts i should say | 17:13 |
| alaski | to do it right, yeah | 17:13 |
| doffm | Probably best theat way. | 17:13 |
| mriedem | i'll let alaski break that to sdague | 17:13 |
| mriedem | can you run cell0 on one of those? | 17:13 |
| doffm | Yes. | 17:13 |
| alaski | heh, good things there's plenty of beer in Austin | 17:13 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:13 |
| alaski | cell0 is just a db | 17:13 |
| mriedem | true, so yeah, nvm | 17:13 |
| mriedem | i always think of cell0 as another service | 17:14 |
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| doffm | Its not really. Its a paper tiger of a cell. | 17:14 |
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| mriedem | say that to cell0's face | 17:14 |
| alaski | doffm: where were you when we were naming this thing? :) | 17:15 |
| doffm | :) | 17:15 |
| mriedem | again, | 17:15 |
| mriedem | why not jailcell? | 17:15 |
| alaski | that would have worked, I don't remember it being proposed | 17:15 |
| alaski | graveyard was the other contender I recall | 17:15 |
| mriedem | geez | 17:15 |
| mriedem | void | 17:15 |
| mriedem | null | 17:16 |
| doffm | Thats macarbre. | 17:16 |
| melwitt | the only other migration we added recently was flavor table. the active migration part isn't there yet | 17:16 |
| alaski | mriedem: null was ruled out for being overloaded | 17:16 |
| alaski | doffm: that's why we didn't go with it | 17:16 |
| alaski | melwitt: yeah, we need to push on sdagues flavor API thing first | 17:16 |
| mriedem | and jaypipes threw a wrench in the mix for that spec | 17:17 |
| alaski | this segues nicely into the next topic | 17:17 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:17 |
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| alaski | mriedem: what now? | 17:17 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265282/ | 17:17 |
| mriedem | jay went all resource provider on it's ass | 17:17 |
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| doffm | Ha. Thats a pretty big wrench. | 17:18 |
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| doffm | "all of this is useless! bwahaha" | 17:18 |
| alaski | hmm, I agree with him on that | 17:18 |
| alaski | I think it's just a representation issue though, so may not be too bad | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | sorry. | 17:19 |
| mriedem | so, | 17:19 |
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| mriedem | if representing the flavor depends on the capabilities stuff | 17:19 |
| doffm | jaypipes: You arn't neccessarily wrong, but it predicates the flavor migration on an api change. | 17:19 |
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| mriedem | and the cells flavor migration depends on the flavor spec, | 17:19 |
| mriedem | i don't think we can block like that right now | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | doffm: I don't understand what you mean by that. | 17:20 |
| alaski | mriedem: ignoring the capabilities stuff, I think we can move forward on what he suggested | 17:20 |
| alaski | and then microversion in the capabilities later. I need to look closer at it | 17:21 |
| mriedem | well, | 17:22 |
| mriedem | we're probably going to need a design session o nthis | 17:22 |
| doffm | jaypipes: A microversion change. The server representation is changing just to list resources and removing flavor. | 17:22 |
| alaski | mriedem: +1 | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | doffm: oh, yes, no disagreement. | 17:23 |
| alaski | for now let's all go loudly agree/disagree with jaypipes on the spec | 17:23 |
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| mriedem | i punted :) | 17:24 |
| mriedem | like a true politician | 17:24 |
| alaski | or that | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | alaski: sorry to throw the wrench in the mix :( | 17:24 |
| mriedem | "let's wait until after the midterms" | 17:24 |
| mriedem | alaski: you had a series of changes that was looking good but hit FF | 17:24 |
| mriedem | i don't think those had blockers, just ran out of time | 17:24 |
| mriedem | we could queue those up early for newton, would have to re-propose the spec/blueprint | 17:24 |
| alaski | jaypipes: it's cool. I think we might need to partway follow what you suggested or we'll be blocked for a cycle. | 17:25 |
| mriedem | the build request stuff i think | 17:25 |
| alaski | right | 17:25 |
| alaski | I will tidy all of that back up as soon as N opens | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | alaski: I will have the capabilities proposal written up by the summit. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | which reminds me, I should probably book a flight and find a cheap hotel in austin.. | 17:26 |
| alaski | me too... | 17:26 |
| doffm | Good luck with cheap. | 17:26 |
| mriedem | i thought mirantis all stayed at the same fancy place? | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | alaski: well, *you* get yours paid for so you don't need to worry about the hotel ;) | 17:26 |
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| melwitt | I'm planning to write a spec for the message queue switching and get my patch ready for review for N | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I'm paying my own way in order to get an additional engineer to the summit. | 17:27 |
| alaski | jaypipes: ahh, didn't realize you were going dutch | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | ya | 17:27 |
| doffm | melwitt: Sounds good. I guess I was wondering if you were going to get the spec up for that. | 17:27 |
| mriedem | jules doesn't count as an engineer right? :) | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no, she isn't goin. | 17:27 |
| alaski | melwitt: great. | 17:27 |
| melwitt | doffm: yeah, my bad on that. I had meant to do it earlier than now | 17:28 |
| doffm | I have 3 specs up for DB api migration. I'm still working on a 4th and FINAL one. | 17:28 |
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| doffm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291382/ | 17:28 |
| alaski | so let me ask a question of the room on specs, how would you all like to be notified of new ones going up? | 17:28 |
| alaski | advertise in this meeting, add each other to reviews, ...? | 17:29 |
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| doffm | I was thinking of putting them in the 'work to be done' document. | 17:29 |
| doffm | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cellsV2-remaining-work-items | 17:29 |
| doffm | But another etherpad / in here would be fine by me. | 17:29 |
| melwitt | I was thinking maybe the priorities etherpad in the cells section? | 17:29 |
| mriedem | as long as it's clear on the order somewhere, i'm happy | 17:29 |
| doffm | melwitt: That makes sense. | 17:30 |
| xgerman | o/ | 17:30 |
| alaski | cool, let's use the priority etherpad then | 17:30 |
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| alaski | potential future PTL mriedem, any idea when a new one of those might go up? | 17:30 |
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| mriedem | alaski: i'll talk to john, i don't see why we couldn't start creating one now | 17:30 |
| alaski | cool | 17:31 |
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| alaski | I guess technically we don't decide priorities until Summit, but... | 17:31 |
| melwitt | I feel like I want to add the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cellsV2-remaining-work-items to the cells section too. I didn't know about it until now | 17:31 |
| mriedem | alaski: i think cellsv2 is a given | 17:31 |
| alaski | melwitt: +1, I mean I knew but forgot | 17:31 |
| mriedem | melwitt: +1 | 17:31 |
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| melwitt | done | 17:32 |
| alaski | doffm: do you feel like db migrations are going to fill the cycle for you? | 17:33 |
| doffm | They would If I did all of them. I'm hoping to get some help around here. | 17:33 |
| doffm | But yes, they ar at least one full person. | 17:33 |
| alaski | melwitt: do you feel that message queue switching is all you might get to this cycle? | 17:34 |
| alaski | doffm: okay | 17:34 |
| melwitt | alaski: no, I've got bandwidth for more work actually | 17:34 |
| alaski | I'd like to get a sense of if plates are full or we need to think ahead to what else could be done | 17:34 |
| alaski | melwitt: awesome | 17:34 |
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| alaski | I haven't heard from belmeiora or vineet recently to know if CERN will have much involvement this cycle | 17:35 |
| melwitt | doffm: did you get anywhere with the oslo.messaging "assemble transport url from ConfigOpts" by chance? | 17:36 |
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| doffm | melwitt: I haven't started. If you want to try then... go ahead. Otherwise I will try and get around to it soon. | 17:36 |
| melwitt | doffm: no, was just curious | 17:36 |
| doffm | Implementation wise i'm working on this spec. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288084/ | 17:37 |
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| doffm | Its the aggregate db move. I want to get it done early beacuse the resource provider cells work will depend on it. | 17:37 |
| alaski | nice | 17:37 |
| mriedem | fyi https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:38 |
| dansmith | the flavor move is still a thing we need right? | 17:38 |
| alaski | yes | 17:38 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah | 17:38 |
| mriedem | but it's held up | 17:38 |
| dansmith | on? | 17:38 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265282/ | 17:38 |
| melwitt | jaypipes | 17:38 |
| melwitt | :) | 17:38 |
| mriedem | technically sdague, | 17:38 |
| mriedem | who is held up on jaypipes | 17:38 |
| mriedem | it's a turducken | 17:38 |
| dansmith | I don't understand jaypipes' thing there | 17:39 |
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| melwitt | haha nice | 17:39 |
| dansmith | we have flavors codified in instances already | 17:39 |
| dansmith | and we have that link already | 17:39 |
| madhu_ak | do we have fwaas meeting? | 17:40 |
| alaski | dansmith: my read is that his goal is to remove all of that, and this is a first step towards that rather than codifying it further | 17:40 |
| alaski | madhu_ak: there's another meeting here atm | 17:40 |
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| dansmith | alaski: I'm not sure who the he is in that statement exactly | 17:40 |
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| alaski | jaypipes | 17:40 |
| dansmith | alaski: maybe we can appease jay by changing the resource name to "resources" or something | 17:40 |
| madhu_ak | sorry alaski didnt account for daylight saving.. | 17:41 |
| alaski | madhu_ak: no worries | 17:41 |
| alaski | dansmith: maybe. I do think it's really just a representation issue, shouldn't be too hard to workaround | 17:41 |
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| alaski | I just don't want to block on waiting for capabilities to be expressable | 17:41 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:42 |
| dansmith | I'll look over that spec and the comments in a bit | 17:42 |
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| alaski | for divvying up work how about we all link our specs, or mention specs we want to propose, in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking and then get together on what we have the bandwidth for as a group | 17:43 |
| melwitt | okay | 17:44 |
| doffm | alaski: Good idea. | 17:44 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:45 |
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| alaski | I know bauzas is interested in rethinking the meeting times. I am going to take a look at what's available and look at alternates to the current times | 17:46 |
| alaski | and we can vote on changing it or now | 17:46 |
| alaski | *not | 17:46 |
| * jaypipes leading a meeting :( | 17:47 | |
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| alaski | jaypipes: no worries | 17:47 |
| alaski | along those lines, do you all want to meet next week or wait two weeks again? | 17:47 |
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| doffm | Will anyone be reviewing specs by next week? | 17:48 |
| melwitt | either way works for me | 17:48 |
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| mriedem | i'm fine either way | 17:49 |
| alaski | doffm: usually there aren't many reviews until RC2 is out | 17:49 |
| doffm | Could probably leave it then. I don't mind. | 17:49 |
| alaski | but reviews might start to trickle soon | 17:49 |
| alaski | cool. let's skip again then | 17:49 |
| alaski | #info Skip next weeks cells meeting | 17:50 |
| alaski | any other topics for today? | 17:50 |
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| doffm | Not here. | 17:50 |
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| alaski | great | 17:51 |
| alaski | until next time | 17:51 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 17:51:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| alaski | thanks all | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-16-17.00.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-16-17.00.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-03-16-17.00.log.html | 17:51 |
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| sc68cal | hi all | 18:31 |
| jwarendt | hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 16 18:32:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:32 |
| annp | hi sc68cal, all | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK | 18:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | #chair xgerman | 18:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal xgerman | 18:32 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | Today I think is mostly just working on the actual release of mitaka | 18:33 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i think there is nothing pending w.r.t the release | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | agreed | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | so I think once the release happens, hopefully capacity will open back up and development can resume on the v2 api | 18:36 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes hope so too | 18:36 |
| SridarK | i guess the branch should open up for Newton real soon ? | 18:37 |
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| sc68cal | I would assume so. I think part of the problem is that none of the cores have done a release, it's always been handled for us, by either mestery or ihar | 18:39 |
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| SridarK | ok | 18:40 |
| sc68cal | It appears we have a stable/mitaka branch cut | 18:40 |
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| sc68cal | so, I assume that we're open for newton based on that fact | 18:41 |
| SridarK | ok cool | 18:41 |
| SridarK | In terms of the N release, we should get #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ for observer hierarchy | 18:41 |
| SridarK | the submitter it seems also got sucked into other things | 18:42 |
| SridarK | but will be good to close it out early as a long standing thing | 18:42 |
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| sc68cal | yes, that patch is very important. SridarK or jwarendt - do you think you guys could push revisions if the submitter does not reappear? | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: yes will do so | 18:43 |
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| jwarendt | Yes | 18:44 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:45 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: i think u have been looking at the neutron (L3Agent) side of things | 18:45 |
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| jwarendt | Correct, but the agent.py on neutron side has direct calls right now into FWaaS class - instead of decoupled observer. I have made the lookup dynamic, but observer would be much better. | 18:47 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: yes agreed | 18:48 |
| SridarK | i will reach out the submitter again to check on his availability and we can move forward accordingly | 18:48 |
| SridarK | *reach out to the .. | 18:48 |
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| jwarendt | Plus for some reason there is a router_add but no router_delete on L3 agent side; hoping observer will properly listen to delete so fwaas can change state appropriately. | 18:49 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: yes the router delete - earlier there was not much to do as the iptables will get cleaned out | 18:49 |
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| xgerman | well, we still need to remove it from the DB | 18:50 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: now with router insertion things are a bit different - but yes that is a clean up | 18:50 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes i believe we have Foreign Key constraint | 18:51 |
| SridarK | but let me look at that code again | 18:51 |
| xgerman | ok, that would work | 18:51 |
| SridarK | from the agent side of the world | 18:51 |
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| SridarK | Okay good i think we are all on the same page | 18:52 |
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| jwarendt | An update blocks if router in use, but can delete the router underneath the FWaaS without the FWaaS changing from ACTIVE state - even if the DB cleans up. | 18:53 |
| jwarendt | Observers will help straighten that out. | 18:54 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: yes agreed | 18:54 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:54 |
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| sc68cal | cool | 18:56 |
| SridarK | one other patch i wanted to discuss: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291822/ | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | The other thing I wanted to bring up, is the state of 3rd party drivers | 18:56 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: u read my mind :-) | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | :) | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | Now - macafee's driver, they actually have a CI job that passes reliably | 18:56 |
| sc68cal | but the code itself needs a maintainer - to fix pylint issues | 18:57 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: on this, i reached out to intel - there is some churn in ownership of McAfee - so things are in a bit of flux | 18:57 |
| SridarK | I asked if they could take care of the pylint issues - which was one of ur main concerns | 18:57 |
| sc68cal | yep | 18:58 |
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| SridarK | hopefully they can help with transtioning this to the new maintainers | 18:58 |
| sc68cal | If they fix the issues, then that would be a positive step | 18:58 |
| sc68cal | but what do we do about drivers like varmor and cisco? | 18:59 |
| SridarK | we can consider giving some time until they sort out the maintainers - i will stay in touch with intel folks to help transition | 18:59 |
| sc68cal | does the cisco driver have a 3rd party CI? | 18:59 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes but i will be first to admit - the reliability is a bit suspect | 18:59 |
| sc68cal | I haven't seen it report on a recent patch. | 18:59 |
| sc68cal | or any, really. | 18:59 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i think we can start having vendors pull out to their own rep | 19:00 |
| SridarK | *repo | 19:00 |
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| jwarendt | +1 | 19:00 |
| sc68cal | yeah, that would be good. The main thing is that we're supposed to vouch for the quality of these drivers, that are in tree - and to be honest the only one we can vouch for is the l3reference, since that gets tested at the openstack gate | 19:01 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes earlier - we had some control on the ownership of the CI - now its in another part of Cisco | 19:01 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 | 19:01 |
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| SridarK | and most vendors do have their networking-vendor repos | 19:01 |
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| SridarK | Would it be reasonable to ask if vendors can move their drivers out by N-2 ? | 19:04 |
| sc68cal | that sounds good to me | 19:04 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 19:05 |
| SridarK | ok i will ping the vendor contacts as the first step | 19:06 |
| xgerman | though in LBaaS we decided to leave them in | 19:07 |
| xgerman | some vendors see it important to be part of the repo... | 19:07 |
| SridarK | xgerman: hmm ok | 19:07 |
| xgerman | we should ping them anyway and if they resist we can revisit | 19:07 |
| SridarK | i am not religious on this, i thought in neutron in general the direction with vendor decomp - we want to ease vendors out | 19:07 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes sounds good to me | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | I'm not religious either, but the pylint thing just highlighted a driver that needs an owner | 19:08 |
| xgerman | agreed. | 19:09 |
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| SridarK | ok those were some things i wanted to discuss - did not have anything else - i can think of right now. | 19:11 |
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| sc68cal | that's all from me too. Anyone else? | 19:12 |
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| xgerman | well, we should mention that PTL proposals are open.. so if anyone wants to run... | 19:12 |
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| xgerman | for the PTL of Neutron... | 19:12 |
| sc68cal | I wish anyone who wants to, all the best | 19:13 |
| * sc68cal leans back in his lazy boy chair and sips his drink | 19:13 | |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | unless there is anything else, I think we can close this out and give everyone 15 back | 19:15 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:16 |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:16 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 19:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 16 19:16:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-16-18.32.html | 19:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-16-18.32.txt | 19:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-16-18.32.log.html | 19:16 |
| SridarK | Thx and Bye all | 19:16 |
| annp | bye all | 19:16 |
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