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CristinaHi!13:41
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov: we meeting now or is it 1800UTC today?14:00
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l314:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 17 14:59:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
mlavallehi15:00
haleybhi15:00
tidwellrhi15:00
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vikram_hi15:00
mlavallehaleyb, tidwellr, janzian, vikram_ : welcome!15:00
janzianHello15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavalleAgenda for today is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda15:01
mlavalleAnd we made it through Mitaka... Welcome to Newton!15:01
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mlavalleAny other announcements from the team?15:02
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mlavalleoh yeah, carl_baldwin broke the DC subway: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/washington-dc-metro-shutdown-commute-maryland-virginia/15:03
mlavalleLOL15:03
mlavallehe is spending his spring break there :-)15:04
tidwellrlol15:04
mlavallemoving on...15:04
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:04
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mlavalleWe have two friends from previous meetings:15:05
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/147810015:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily)15:05
mlavalleFor this one Cedric upload a new revision to the fix and is waiting reviews15:06
mlavalleThe next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/154309415:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress]15:06
tidwellrI tried my hand at implementing an approach suggested by carl_baldwin to fix this one15:07
mlavallecarl_baldwin suggested a change of algorithm that computes availability on the fly15:07
mlavalletidwellr: yeah, I was about to ask you. Anything you want to share here15:07
mlavalle?15:07
tidwellrsure, the idea sounds straight-forward in theory15:08
tidwellrthere are a lot of tests and test helpers that rely on a more deterministic approach to allocating IP addresses15:08
mlavalleis your concern purely a matter of available bodies to change all that needs to be changed?15:09
tidwellrcomputing availability on the fly is only part of the solution, to avoid contention we have been looking at randomly selecting an IP address from a small window of IP addresses15:09
tidwellrit's not a matter of man(or woman)-power15:10
mlavallehuman-power :-)15:10
* carl_baldwin broke the metro, it's true. Reverted that patch though, so it is fixed.15:11
mlavallecarl_baldwin: ++15:11
tidwellrI've found that this approach introduces some non-determinism that makes it hard to pin down all the tests that need to change, you get a different set of failures from run-to-run15:11
mlavalletidwellr: any suggestions on how to move forward?15:12
tidwellrI don't know if pbondar is still looking into this15:12
mlavallehe doesn't seem to be on-line15:12
mlavallenot in this channel anyway15:13
tidwellrI think continuing with 2 different approaches if we can would be good, then we can see which one gets more traction15:13
mlavalletidwellr: thanks for looking at this. Trying out alternatives is progress in my book15:13
tidwellrI'm continuing with the approach suggested by carl_baldwin, I haven't made much progress as of yet this week but I intend to pick this up again today15:14
carl_baldwintidwellr: thanks for the report15:14
mlavalletidwellr: great! let's re-visit next week15:14
mlavallemoving on15:15
mlavalleThe new bug this week is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/153303415:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533034 in neutron "an unclear error info returned when create an ipv6 subnetpool associate to ipv4 address scope" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily)15:15
mlavalleit is not that new. It's priority was raised by armax recently, though15:16
mlavalleand there is a fix proposed for it15:16
mlavalleany comments on this one?15:17
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tidwellrinteresting, I'll take  a look today15:17
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mlavalleany other bugs I may have missed?15:18
carl_baldwinI'm not sure why the importance was raised15:18
mlavalleok, moving on15:19
mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:19
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mlavallesince carl_baldwin is on vacation, I can give a quick update15:19
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carl_baldwinThanks, mlavalle.  Nothing new from me.15:20
mlavalleWe have a first proposal on how to start implementing in OVN15:21
mlavalleThere is a message in the ML from xiaohhui on this topic15:21
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mlavallehttp://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-03/msg01755.html15:22
mlavalleTake a look if you have some time15:22
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mlavalleProgress is also being made with the OpenStack client to incorporate CRUD for segments15:23
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mlavallertheis_ is taking care of this15:23
mlavalleI am working on the segments - host mapping15:24
vikram_cli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290267/15:24
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mlavalleand the ip deferral in Nova. I had a good conversation with edleafe in the Nova team15:24
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rtheis_osc patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290138/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290054/15:25
mlavallertheis_: thanks!15:25
rtheis_yw15:25
mlavallemoving on15:25
mlavalle#topic BGP dynamic routing15:26
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tidwellrdocs, docs, and more docs :)15:26
mlavalleLOL15:26
mlavalleis that the only remaining bit?15:26
tidwellryes15:26
mlavallefantastic!15:26
tidwellrI've been eyeing some things for Newton, but that's future enhancement15:27
vikram_+100015:27
vikram_how about the separate repo?15:27
vikram_i think we got to do it early15:28
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tidwellrugh, haven't thought about it yet15:28
vikram_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268726/15:28
* tidwellr needs to catch up15:28
vikram_IMO, we got to figure out what all we will be eyeing for Newton now15:29
vikram_there are couple of rfe's lined up15:29
tidwellryes, I did file https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155729015:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1557290 in neutron "DVR FIP agent gateway does not pass traffic directed at fixed IP" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:29
tidwellrthis is the bug that kept us from adding full DVR support in Mitaka15:29
vikram_i can do the repo part for now15:30
vikram_if PTL agrees15:30
vikram_+ all of us as well ;-)15:30
steve_ruan@Tidqwellr15:30
steve_ruanhow about the bgp listener and bgp vpn15:31
tidwellrthanks for driving this vikram_15:31
steve_ruanwill be add to newton?15:31
tidwellrsteve_ruan: I would like to15:31
vikram_steve_raun: +115:31
tidwellrsteve_ruan: getting full DVR support is a priority of mine though15:31
steve_ruanok,15:32
tidwellrsteve_ruan: that still feels like a hole15:32
vikram_I feel let's decide where we got to develope.. in tree or separate repo fast15:32
steve_ruanbut if there is no listen, half of bgp functionality is missing15:32
vikram_need help in getting this resolved faster15:32
vikram_steve_raun: agreed15:32
mlavallesteve_ruan: ^^^15:33
steve_ruanvikram_: I agree to develop in a separate repo15:33
vikram_should we send a mail to the community and poll opinions?15:33
tidwellrI think we will be pushed in that direction'15:33
mlavallevikram_: yeah, let's do that15:33
tidwellrvikram_: socializing your plans on the ML is a good idea15:33
vikram_ok .. will send then15:34
vikram_#action item for me ;-)15:34
mlavalle#action vikram_ to send message to the ML about moving BGP dynamic routing code to a separate repo15:35
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mlavalleany thing else on this topic?15:35
vikram_i am really confused with big tent now15:35
vikram_can someone help me with pointers15:36
vikram_I remember seeing a mail from armax saying the rules for big-tent will be finalized soon15:36
mlavalleI suggest pinging armax directly15:37
vikram_Nice idea.. Will do that15:37
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mlavalleok, moving on15:37
mlavalle#topic DNS15:37
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mlavalleThis topic is mostly finished15:38
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mlavallejanzian has agreed to increase the coverage of the unit tests, focusing specifically floating ips15:38
mlavallehe will be working on this over the next couple of weeks15:38
mlavallethanks for doing this janzian15:39
mlavalleso, moving on15:39
janzianThanks mlavalle15:39
mlavalle#topic Open discussion15:39
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mlavalleany other topics that need to be discussed here today?15:40
mlavallegoing once15:41
mlavallegoing twice15:41
mlavalleok...15:41
mlavalle#endmeeting15:41
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-17-14.59.log.html15:42
mlavalleThanks for attending15:42
mlavallehave a nice rest of the day or evening15:42
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docaedo#startmeeting app-catalog17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 17 17:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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docaedoCourtesy ping: kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb markvan17:00
kzaitsev_mbo/17:00
markvanhowdy17:01
docaedoAgenda:17:01
docaedo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog17:01
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docaedo#topic Status updates17:01
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docaedoQuick announcement, I'm going to send an email later today on this as well17:02
docaedoI started and etherpad for summit discussion topics - start throwing things there and we will discuss next week17:02
docaedo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-catalog-newton-summit17:02
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docaedomarkvan: do you have an updates on the test stuff you've been working on? Any issues, or anything needing reviews/feedback?17:02
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kzaitsev_mbfrom the glare side — I've added a v2-proxying to the v1 review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290932/)17:03
markvandocaedo: still looking into additional tests for the ui  glance and heat integration.  Not sure if I will get back to the js linting stuff17:04
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kzaitsev_mbWe have a couple of commits, that in WIP state, that add UI (angular code this time =))17:04
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292854/17:04
kzaitsev_mband17:04
kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293644/17:04
kzaitsev_mbfor creating the assets17:05
kzaitsev_mbI'm planning to help Omar with hs patch shortly.17:05
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docaedogreat thanks17:06
kzaitsev_mbAnd after that is done — the plan is to finally switch to the auth code.17:06
docaedokzaitsev_mb: that's good news17:06
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docaedoAny other updates?17:08
docaedo(very light agenda today :) )17:08
docaedook moving on17:09
docaedo#topic Open discussion17:09
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* docaedo has nothing for open discussion today, but invites anyone to speak up17:09
markvannothing here, thx17:09
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docaedoI'll give it another minute or two before calling it, but seems like we're about done17:11
docaedoAlrighty - thanks you guys come coming today! Next week I expect to have a slightly more interesting agenda (this week was spent at IBM office in SJC so have been involved otherwise)17:14
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docaedo#endmeeting17:15
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-lazzaro: hi18:01
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: hi18:01
rkukurahi18:01
igordcard_hi18:01
SumitNaiksatamperhaps short meeting today18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
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ivar-lazzarohi18:02
SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_17th.2C_10th.2C_201618:02
SumitNaiksatamnothing critical on the bugs reported18:02
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything to discuss on packaging?18:02
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i expect that we will have new stable releases next week18:02
rkukuranothing new - I’ve been trying to get an update from apevec on RDO/Delorean, but no luck18:03
rkukuraI’ve been looking into the semantic versioning18:03
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ok np, based on that i can switch to the semantic versioning18:03
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Status attributes18:04
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SumitNaiksatamso based on the discussion in the last IRC meeting, I updated the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/28953018:04
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: agreed we should switch18:04
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:04
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: lets discuss when you are here in person18:04
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: OK. See http://ttx.re/new-versioning.html for an overview, if you haven’t already.18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks, will take a look18:05
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SumitNaiksatamhowever, last night i did some more refactoring and broke something fundamental so more than 300 UTs are failing on that patch now18:05
SumitNaiksatami have been trying to fix that18:05
SumitNaiksatami have also not updated the spec to reflect the design changes for collecting the status from the drivers18:06
SumitNaiksatambut its there in the implementation patch18:06
SumitNaiksatami will update the spec shortly18:06
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: will review both ASAP18:07
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks18:07
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Other Design Specs18:07
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SumitNaiksatamQoS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/18:08
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: hi18:08
igordcard_hi18:08
igordcard_so the PoC is in progress18:08
SumitNaiksatamso I +2’ed the spec18:09
SumitNaiksatamcan we have one more reviewer push this forward?18:09
SumitNaiksatamonce its +A’ed i will creaete a new feature branch for this work18:09
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I’ll re-review18:10
ivar-lazzarowill be on it too18:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks, i think at this point the proposal is to experiment in the feature branch and then take it from there18:10
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: thanks18:10
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: thanks for getting started on the PoC18:10
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: it will be interesting if we have something ready by Austin18:11
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igordcard_SumitNaiksatam: yes, certainly, it's my hope to18:11
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: thanks18:11
SumitNaiksatamNFP framework #link https://review.openstack.org/23974318:12
SumitNaiksatamsongole: hi18:12
SumitNaiksatami havent been able to take a look at the latest rev from hemanth18:12
SumitNaiksatami think igordcard_ had some comments earlier on terminology18:13
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SumitNaiksatambut there were some offline discussions on this as well with songole and hemanth, so i am not sure if those have been captured in the latest rev of the spec18:13
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songoleHi SumitNaiksatam18:13
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: any open issues on the spec that you want to discuss with the team today18:15
SumitNaiksatam?18:15
songoleI am not sure if they should be part of the spec18:15
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songoleAs you suggested, I will keep a design/implementation doc for reference during code review18:15
SumitNaiksatamsongole: ok, but apart from the new agent you are planning, i think there were a few new things we discussed earlier18:15
SumitNaiksatamsongole: like the execution of the heat templates18:15
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: hi there, we are almost getting done :-P18:16
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: sorry!18:16
* tbachman has to set many alarms18:16
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: oh no worries, just pulling your leg18:16
tbachmanlol18:16
songoleSumitNaiksatam: I have one question regarding south bound APIs18:16
SumitNaiksatamsongole: yes sure18:16
songoleShould we put version string in the URI - Prefix? similar to lbaas?18:17
songoleLike /v1/nfp---?18:17
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i would propose that this be consistent with the GBP API18:17
SumitNaiksatamAPI version18:17
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SumitNaiksatamsince its all one project18:17
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songoleThe alternate design would be to put it in the data..18:18
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SumitNaiksatamoh sorry, you meant the south bound API18:18
songoleYes18:18
SumitNaiksatamis this API mainly exercised via RPC?18:18
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songoleThis is REST to the southbound as the first step18:19
SumitNaiksatamhmmm ok18:19
songoleto the configurator18:19
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SumitNaiksatami guess this can be independent of the NB API version18:19
SumitNaiksatambut i am just wondering if all the NB and SB APIs should be consistently versioned to avoid confusion18:20
songoleorchestrator -> agent -> proxy -> (SB ABP) -> configurator18:20
SumitNaiksatamsongole: got it18:20
songoleABP -> API18:20
SumitNaiksatami do realize that the NB API can evolve independently of the SB API (and vice versa)18:20
songoleYes18:21
SumitNaiksatambut i would prefer one consistent version to start with (if we had to make a choice)18:21
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-lazzaro igordcard_: what do you guys think?18:21
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SumitNaiksatamthe API songole is referring to is the API called from the new NCP driver to a process which configures the service18:21
songoleMost openstack APIs have version string prefixed to URIs, I believe18:21
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rkukuraI’m not sure what the OpenStack API WG is recommending on this right now, but I’d follow that.18:22
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SumitNaiksatamservice meaning the network (L4-7) service18:22
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thats a good point18:22
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i will point you to the WG recommendations18:22
SumitNaiksatamthough i am not sure they address SB APIs18:22
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: the changes in the design i was referring to were those related to where and how the heat template gets executed18:23
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: that you have the new process, which sends a message back through the proxy channel for the orchestrator to run the heat template18:24
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: also the passing of the tokens back and forth18:24
SumitNaiksatamthose are relevant to this spec, right?18:24
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SumitNaiksatamthe other thing that came up during the discussion was to augment the definition of our service profile18:25
SumitNaiksatamto be able to suggest a form factor for the requested service18:25
SumitNaiksatamso a particular service could be run as a VM or a HW appliance or a process18:26
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SumitNaiksatamso provide an attribute within the service profile to allow indicating this18:26
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songoleSumitNaiksatam: Yes, regarding spec updates18:26
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songoleSumitNaiksatam: should we keep extending the service_profile resource on need basis or18:27
songoleprovide tags similar to flavor framework?18:27
SumitNaiksatamsongole: open for discussion18:27
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SumitNaiksatami think the preference would be to perhaps make this a little more strongly typed18:28
SumitNaiksatammeaning having a specific attribute so that the usage and semantics are consistent across deployments18:29
SumitNaiksatamin addition we can perhaps explore adding a “meta” field to the service profile18:29
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SumitNaiksatamfor any other vendor specific extensions18:29
SumitNaiksatambut the form factor seems a more fundamental property18:30
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SumitNaiksatamperhaps we can have a more concrete discusison after posting a spec18:31
SumitNaiksatamsongole: we should add the versioning proposal to the spec as well18:32
SumitNaiksatamSB versioning that is18:32
SumitNaiksatamsongole: thanks for the update18:32
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:33
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SumitNaiksatamregarding the Austin workshop, still planning how to deliver this18:33
SumitNaiksatamthats pretty much it from me for today18:33
SumitNaiksatamanyone have anything else?18:33
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rkukuranot today18:34
igordcard_okay18:34
SumitNaiksatamalrighty, thanks all for joining!18:34
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SumitNaiksatammore next week18:34
rkukurathanks SumitNaiksatam!18:35
SumitNaiksatambye!18:35
songolethanks18:35
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:35
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