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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 16:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:03 |
| sc` | #chair jklare_ | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jklare_ sc` | 16:03 |
| sc` | ohai! | 16:03 |
| sc` | had another meeting run a few minutes over | 16:03 |
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| jklare_ | hi o/ | 16:06 |
| sc` | moin | 16:07 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:07 |
| sc` | how about we get started | 16:08 |
| sc` | #topic integration | 16:08 |
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| sc` | all the basic framework has been laid out and merged. builds against master look good | 16:09 |
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| sc` | i took the opportunity to bump centos to the testing repo, unknowingly becoming one of the initial canaries to report success with the what-will-be-GA packages | 16:09 |
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| sc` | the release for the rdo packages is still in progress, so we're at the latest and greatest there. as soon as the GA builds go out (tentatively today) i'll be pushing up a change to common to flip to that | 16:13 |
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| sc` | that's my main topic. not much else going on but poking at some older low hanging fruit to close out some old stuff that still applies | 16:15 |
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| jklare_ | nothing new from my side | 16:18 |
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| sc` | #topic austin | 16:18 |
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| sc` | do we still need to submit a title for our fishbowl? | 16:18 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Reminder, Gerrit will be offline from 20:00 to 21:00 UTC for a server replacement http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091274.html | 16:18 | |
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| sc` | the schedule says 'tbd', so it would seem so | 16:19 |
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| sc` | is this something i'm supposed to do as ptl for the newton cycle? | 16:21 |
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| jklare_ | i think you should post it | 16:27 |
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| jklare_ | but it should be just a short mail to ttx | 16:27 |
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| sc` | ok | 16:27 |
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| sc` | i think that's pretty much it. obviously, cutting stable/mitaka is impending | 16:29 |
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| sc` | jklare_: when were you looking at doing that, when you're here in the US? | 16:29 |
| jklare_ | yeah, i think so | 16:30 |
| jklare_ | i will fly in next monday | 16:30 |
| sc` | ok, cool | 16:30 |
| sc` | i'm flying next saturday, but probably won't have any time sunday. it's the wife's birthday :) | 16:31 |
| jklare_ | so you mean saturday the 16th? | 16:34 |
| sc` | no, the 23rd | 16:34 |
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| jklare_ | ah ok | 16:35 |
| sc` | sorry, coffee and english don't mix well in the morning | 16:35 |
| sc` | i've got nothing else. unless anyone really wants to stick around for another 23 minutes, i'll go ahead and call it early | 16:37 |
| jklare_ | im good | 16:38 |
| sc` | right on. see you same time, same channel next week | 16:38 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 16:38:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-11-16.03.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-11-16.03.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-11-16.03.log.html | 16:38 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| NobodyCam | #chair jroll devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:00 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:00 |
| zhenguo_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | and of course as always our agenda can be found at: | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam is running this meeting as I'm on a flaky connection :) | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | So with that who's here for the meeting? | 17:00 |
| jroll | thanks for that | 17:00 |
| rama_y__ | <rama_y> o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ \o /o \o \o/ | 17:00 |
| alineb | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | wb rloo | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
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| rloo | thx NobodyCam :) | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | summit is in just 19 days :) everyone ready? | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Uhhhh....sure | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | 14? | 17:02 |
| devananda | sure? | 17:02 |
| jroll | I know it starts on a monday :P | 17:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Uh 13 days | 17:02 |
| * jlvillal less ready | 17:02 | |
| NobodyCam | doh | 17:02 |
| devananda | also, yea, isn't it two weeks away? | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | ya I was off on my timing | 17:02 |
| rloo | NobodyCam is looking forward to the end of the summit I think ;) | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | lol +++ | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:03 |
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| jroll | heh | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | just one annouoncement from me: | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | I wanted to say a quick comment on sub-team status updates. | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | over the last several meetings I have seen no-update on many of the teams items. and then details added during the meetings. | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | please try and have any updates posted to the white board at least an hour before the | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | meeting so folks have time to review and formulate any questions. | 17:03 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam+++ | 17:04 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 17:04 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | thats it from me anyone else have an annouoncement | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | if not we jump right into: | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Subteam status reports | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | as always details are on the white-board: | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | let give folks a few minutes to review | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | lots of no-updates this time | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | jlvillal: any thing on nova | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | krotscheck: betherly: anything for UI? | 17:07 |
| betherly | NobodyCam: v1.1 has been released. | 17:07 |
| devananda | betherly: \o/ | 17:08 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | betherly: w00t | 17:08 |
| betherly | addition and removal of nodes currently being worked on which potentially could even be ready for the summit | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | awesome | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | betherly: I added to the etherpad :) | 17:08 |
| betherly | depending on how that goes I might talk to jroll and the release people re how putting out another release would work but we will see what happens | 17:08 |
| betherly | NobodyCam: thanks for doing that! sorry - been a slightly ridiculous day | 17:09 |
| jroll | betherly: we can release master branch during this cycle at any time | 17:09 |
| jroll | :) | 17:09 |
| betherly | jroll: awesomeness | 17:09 |
| betherly | no promises but i will do my best | 17:09 |
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| jroll | I see we need an ironic-lib release, I'll submit that now | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: looking at lintan's comment under oslo we'll need that for ironic-lib too | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:10 |
| jroll | :) | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: devananda: any eta on the Multiple compute host stuff I've been seeing some qurestions arounds that | 17:11 |
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| NobodyCam | eta == info (ie. general stuff) | 17:11 |
| jroll | we need to hammer on the claims API stuff first, that's my top thing after networking stuff | 17:12 |
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| jroll | and then on to the nova side | 17:12 |
| devananda | ditto - top thing after networking is done | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | ++ :) | 17:12 |
| sambetts | looking forward to it | 17:13 |
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| NobodyCam | other question / comments on status reports? | 17:13 |
| JayF | jroll: are there specs/code up already around that to review? | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | there is something very wip... | 17:13 |
| jroll | here's the ironic-lib release request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304229/ | 17:13 |
| jroll | JayF: spec needs a major update, will be this week | 17:14 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: worth adding that to the whiteboard section? | 17:14 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: line 129 | 17:14 |
| jroll | :) | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | ++ :p blind here | 17:15 |
| jroll | anything else on subteam stuff? | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | moving on! | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | # topic Discussion | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | Summit session plans | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-summit | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | NobodyCam: added a space there | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | thats you jroll | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | For the "# topic" | 17:16 |
| jroll | #topic Summit session plans | 17:16 |
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| NobodyCam | doh | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Discussion | 17:16 |
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| NobodyCam | ty jlvillal | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Two topics go in, one comes out... | 17:16 |
| jroll | #undo | 17:16 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xb1bf510> | 17:16 |
| jroll | I already got it NobodyCam :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | so | 17:17 |
| jroll | I've picked out 6 sessions so far | 17:17 |
| jroll | we need four more, and have a list on the linked etherpad | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Is obvious session at bottom the six that are already decided? | 17:18 |
| jroll | my thoughts currently are: live upgrade, DLM, snapshots, and "how can we be more effective" (assuming we can make actionable things there) | 17:18 |
| jroll | yes | 17:18 |
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| jroll | software raid is also interesting to me | 17:18 |
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| rloo | what needs to be discussed wrt DLM? | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | my top is DLM, soft-raid, upgrades | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Is boot from cinder/SAN/volume something worth a session? Or do we already know what we need? | 17:19 |
| jroll | so, curious how folks feel about those, or if they have different opinions on which we should do | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | I would put a vote in for Live upgrades | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | rloo, switching to DLM instead of our home-grown logs? | 17:19 |
| jroll | jlvillal: TheJulia said it should be able to be worked out in the spec | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Okay | 17:19 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i thought we had already decided to switch to dlm | 17:19 |
| devananda | rather than just a wish-list of features, could we actually write out what sorts of outcomes we're looking for? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Does tooz = DLM ? | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, essentially yes | 17:19 |
| JayF | I'm curious why we think we need a session for software raid | 17:20 |
| JayF | is there any particular difficult problem there to overcome? | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | rloo, if everyone agrees, than we don't need a session, just someone (maybe mkovacik and I) will actually write a spec | 17:20 |
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| jroll | devananda: re: sessions? we should, yes | 17:20 |
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| davidlenwell | is it a contentious topic ? | 17:20 |
| devananda | jroll: yea, most of htese look like feature proposals | 17:20 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I thought we had all agreed in Tokyo | 17:20 |
| JayF | I think Node anomaly detection and resolution (mariojv) +1 interested: haomeng,gabriel-bezerra, mat128 | 17:20 |
| JayF | could be rolled into the ops session already allocated | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'm not sure, but ok :) | 17:20 |
| jroll | +1, we already agreed in tokyo about dlm | 17:20 |
| jroll | I assumed it was there because there's things to work out yet | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, I thought we had agreed in Tokyo but that it wasn't a high priority and given the state of tooz at the time, we'd do it in Newton | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | JayF, I remember someone quite opposed to software RAID, but dunno | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | rloo, aha, so my memory failed me then :) thanks | 17:21 |
| jroll | so if there isn't anything on DLM to discuss, I'll remove it | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | jroll++ lets have a spec for it | 17:22 |
| jroll | ya | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | it's not on the list but I've seen several question on multipath I/O support | 17:22 |
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| jroll | I don't think we need a whole session on "FSM error states" too | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | also the inspector HA discussion will involve tooz/dlm | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, oh god yes.. but is it something we can do within ironic? other than passing a correct root device? | 17:23 |
| * dtantsur is clueless to be honest | 17:23 | |
| NobodyCam | worth a session? | 17:23 |
| jroll | I don't know that it's worth a session | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: I'm in hte same boat as to how much we can support | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | I think it is worth a short fast discussion | 17:24 |
| jroll | given we've barely talked about it so far | 17:24 |
| jroll | idk if folks have enough context for a session (I don't) | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | I believe we have the experteise to grasp and understand it in ~30 minutes | 17:24 |
| davidlenwell | sessions are a good way of filling in context for folks | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | But, we could also go get a cup of coffee and work through it since it is really just fallback root device selection logic I think | 17:25 |
| jroll | so I agree with some of the notes on the etherpad and have removed live upgrades and multi-compute things | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | maybe some kind of open discussion session... thou those can go sideways quickly | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | I'm more than happy to drive such a discussion and context overload | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia++ | 17:25 |
| jroll | leaving us with four sessions to choose from for four slots | 17:25 |
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| jroll | so... I think we are done if people are okay with those four being on the schedule? | 17:26 |
| jroll | specifically: | 17:26 |
| jroll | live upgrades | 17:26 |
| jroll | anomaly detection stuff | 17:26 |
| jroll | snapshotting | 17:26 |
| jroll | how can we be more ffective | 17:26 |
| rloo | oh, why are we removing live upgrades? | 17:26 |
| thiagop | +1 | 17:26 |
| jroll | rloo: no, those are the four left | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I think those are the ones that will get sessions. | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | is upgrade there? | 17:27 |
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| rloo | jroll: oh, i misunderstood. good that it is there :) | 17:27 |
| jroll | ya :) | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | I'm good with those four :) | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | I like them. More effective and live upgrades are both very interesting to me. | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | +1 | 17:27 |
| devananda | jroll: I'm not keen on snapshotting -- what's there to discuss? | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Though I realize being more effective is probably a difficult them to figure out... | 17:27 |
| * jroll waits about two more minutes for objections | 17:27 | |
| jroll | devananda: all the insanity about "cleaning the image" | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | s/them/thing/ | 17:27 |
| devananda | jroll: how does Nova do that? | 17:28 |
| jroll | devananda: "'reset/unconfigure' copied disk to reset the image, removing SSH host keys, removing persistent network MAC configuration, and removing user accounts etc." | 17:28 |
| devananda | yea, uh, how does Nova do that? | 17:28 |
| devananda | I don't see how that is different for Ironic | 17:28 |
| devananda | what _is_ different is trying to clone that image across different hardware | 17:28 |
| jroll | I feel like it doesn't, I'm unsure | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | if instance_id != known_id | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | basically cloudinit checks and rebuilds _stuffs_ if the instance_id does not match what it knows | 17:29 |
| jroll | devananda: we heavily rely on cloud-init running | 17:29 |
| jroll | orly | 17:29 |
| jroll | interesting | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | I'm -0 on snapshotting. I don't have a context just as well, and the proposer is not attending the summit | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | I'd rather see us talk about multipath, if I had to choose | 17:29 |
| devananda | dtantsur: oh | 17:29 |
| jroll | yeah, that's fair too | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | I like the idea of snapshooting, but "cleaning/resetting/reconfiguring" the image just seems... wrong to me | 17:29 |
| devananda | if the proposer is not there, I am -1 on discussing it | 17:29 |
| rloo | if the proposer were there, is snapshotting something we'd want in newton? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | I'm referring to line 54 | 17:30 |
| devananda | s/the proposer/someone capable of representing the design proposal/ | 17:30 |
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| jroll | snapshotting is something I continue to hear requests for | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | rloo, provided the amount of huge changes we plan on? I doubt | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: huh. I did not write that | 17:30 |
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| jroll | devananda: right, haomeng was asking if you could run it :P | 17:31 |
| jroll | anyway | 17:31 |
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| jroll | snapshotting is what's left, if folks would prefer something else, I'm good with that | 17:31 |
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| devananda | mat128: ohhai :) | 17:32 |
| mat128 | hey there, I'm late :( | 17:32 |
| jroll | software raid, multipathing, FSM error states, others are all options | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | might be a good place to get context for mp io stuff | 17:32 |
| * TheJulia can handle context sharing if we have session | 17:32 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, of these - multipath. otherwise I'd talk about ansible driver, but we ruled it out | 17:32 |
| sambetts | have we got a session for boot from volume ? | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | I like the idea of an open topics session, allows for discussions that pop up during the week, as long as it is moderated | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | shold we (#) vote for te last session | 17:32 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I'm also fine with ansible driver | 17:32 |
| JayF | krtaylor: I generally like keeping those to hallway track, tbh | 17:33 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ ansible driver session | 17:33 |
| rloo | are there any cross-project initiatives that we need to discuss wrt ironic? | 17:33 |
| jroll | dtantsur: thinking more about it, those folks are in the same shoes us agent people were in | 17:33 |
| devananda | JayF, krtaylor: or friday's slot | 17:33 |
| devananda | rloo: we have two of those already scheduled, I believe | 17:33 |
| rloo | or a session where we go over/discuss eg 4? specs | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | I'm also -0 on "how can we be more effective" FWIW. we can talk about it with beer later in the evening | 17:33 |
| rloo | devananda: ok | 17:34 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: ++ | 17:34 |
| devananda | TheJulia: do you feel there's a need to have (another) session on cinder integration? | 17:34 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt the effective, we could talk about it over beer, but i'm interested in what is slowing down reviewers, and what is slowing down developers | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo, great topic for beer! also, we had this kind of discussion numerous times... | 17:34 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i could also start an email discussion. | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | ++ for email discussion | 17:35 |
| jroll | I think it's good to revisit sometimes | 17:35 |
| rloo | we've had discussions between various people. i am hoping for guidelines or some consensus | 17:35 |
| * thiagop thinks that beer is better than e-mail :) | 17:35 | |
| jroll | also keep in mind there's some people that don't go out at night | 17:35 |
| jroll | or might be more apt to speak up during a session | 17:35 |
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| rloo | also, it is hard to have a big group participating in one discussion over beer | 17:35 |
| jroll | I'm +1 on a "real" session for it | 17:35 |
| jroll | yep | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | jroll, of what I know about people, they tend to speak more with beer | 17:35 |
| JayF | Yeah, I mean, honestly, if I think it's something we need to officially chat about (like efficiency as a team), I'm -1 about just trusting "over beer" for it | 17:35 |
| JayF | as I think that will lend to the same voices getting heard as usual | 17:36 |
| jroll | dtantsur: some do, some do not | 17:36 |
| rloo | maybe we need the beer session before the actual session :) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | "if I think it's something we need to officially chat about" I don't | 17:36 |
| * NobodyCam notes that there are a couple things still up in the Open discussion section | 17:36 | |
| jroll | some do not feel comfortable in a drinking environment | 17:36 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: yep, and I'm at 8% battery | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | devananda: wrt cinder, I really don't think so since in some ways we would just be emulating things already done :) | 17:36 |
| mat128 | about cloning/snapshotting, just read that haomeng won't be at the summit and I can't go either, wanna use that session for efficienty as a team in a more formal context? | 17:37 |
| jroll | so I've locked in live upgrades and anomaly detection | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | so my vote for the final 4 sessions: multipath, live upgrades, ansible driver, anomaly detection (in this order) | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | JayF: agree with that point, although I fear we will just bikeshed on how we can do better | 17:37 |
| jroll | and I'm thinking effectiveness and ansible for the other two | 17:37 |
| jroll | but let's come back to that tomorrow in irc or ML | 17:37 |
| devananda | TheJulia: cool, that was my impression | 17:38 |
| JayF | I really think anomoly detection can go into the ops session I'm already running | 17:38 |
| rloo | jroll: sorry, come back to what tomorrow? | 17:38 |
| JayF | unless there's a subtext there I'm missing? | 17:38 |
| devananda | jroll: 3rd party CI status? | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | so move on to Open discussion | 17:38 |
| jroll | rloo: the last two selections | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | oh 3rd party ci is a good topic | 17:39 |
| devananda | jroll: oh, i see that's under the Gate topic | 17:39 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, maybe | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | isnt that in the QA session? | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | any reference on multipath? | 17:39 |
| devananda | would that be worth its own session, if we can get thingee to join us? | 17:39 |
| rloo | jroll: ah. ok, but not irc. ML. that'll give people who aren't present, a chance to voice their opinion. | 17:39 |
| devananda | krtaylor: oh, is it? | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I'd like to understand it better | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | yeah, it's good, but we probably don't need to spend the whole session | 17:39 |
| jroll | devananda: possibly. not sure. I don't like all the new sessions being proposed at the last minute :/ | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | devananda, yes, sorry, labeled gate session | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | like to move on in one minute | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | we have a pretty good plan for 3rd party CI, we just have to make sure people are on track and don't have blockers | 17:39 |
| jroll | we need these locked in by friday | 17:39 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: ++ let's move on and I'll take this to the ML | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Open discussion | 17:40 |
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| NobodyCam | we have a couple items here: | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | zhenguo_: that you | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | thats* | 17:40 |
| zhenguo_ | hi | 17:40 |
| JayF | I have an extra item for open discussion, if we end up having time. | 17:40 |
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| zhenguo_ | I would like to discuss about the serial console stuff | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | dtantsur, I can summarize where we are at in the gate session | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | krtaylor, awesome | 17:41 |
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| NobodyCam | zhenguo_: is there a review we can link to this | 17:41 |
| zhenguo_ | yeahhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/300582/ | 17:41 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300582 | 17:42 |
| zhenguo_ | we have two options : one is add a custom HTTP proxy on nove side to leverage the shellinabox console | 17:42 |
| zhenguo_ | another one is add a new console driver to replace shellinabox | 17:42 |
| jroll | my battery is gone, so I need to bounce, but IMO I'd rather not add a new proxy to nova, consistency for users is key | 17:42 |
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| jroll | I invited mriedem here to join this discussion as he has similar feelings, I suspect | 17:43 |
| vdrok | another thing that might be relevant - one of our guys has a wip patch with vnc console - https://review.openstack.org/296437 | 17:43 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:43 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ and ack | 17:43 |
| jroll | but alas I need to go, thanks for the good meeting y'all, thanks NobodyCam for running things | 17:43 |
| jroll | see y'all tonight/tomorrow | 17:43 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer not adding a new console proxy in nova, yes | 17:43 |
| TheJulia | I guess the question I would have w/r/t shellinabox is what was the reason it as chosen originally | 17:43 |
| * TheJulia just lacks that context | 17:43 | |
| devananda | TheJulia: we inherited it from the old nova-baremetal driver | 17:43 |
| devananda | and, fwiw, it worked in Nova back then | 17:43 |
| zhenguo_ | mriedem: but I think it's may also benefit for other drivers' web based console | 17:44 |
| sambetts | I personally liked the socat implementation for serial cli console | 17:44 |
| devananda | ~ Folsom era | 17:44 |
| mat128 | vdrok's review is super interesting | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | So sounds like we just ned to move on and be in sync with what nova is doing now :\ | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | s/ned/need/ | 17:44 |
| devananda | we haven't had CI testing of it, though, and I am unaware of what may or may not have changed on the Nova side that caused our shellinabox console driver to stop working | 17:44 |
| mat128 | AFAIK not all aten provide a native VNC like that (supermicro doesnt) | 17:44 |
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| devananda | TheJulia: exactly | 17:44 |
| vdrok | mat128: not actually mine :) IIRC I was said it's tested on supermicro | 17:45 |
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| NobodyCam | I don't have the context to weigh in on console stuff as it impacts nova | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | but I can see that work requiring a spec | 17:46 |
| mat128 | We have graphical console stuff running and the only nova change is start console / get console stuff | 17:46 |
| mat128 | no proxy | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | mat128: ++ can you link the review | 17:47 |
| mat128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1567629 | 17:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567629 in Ironic "[RFE] Nova graphical console support" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Mathieu Mitchell (mat128) | 17:47 |
| devananda | mriedem: nova uses novnc as a proxy to the hypervisor's console implementation, right? | 17:47 |
| mat128 | drafting up the spec unfortunately | 17:47 |
| mat128 | devananda: thats correct | 17:47 |
| zhenguo_ | devananda: nova have some different console proxy | 17:47 |
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| mat128 | we end up running a `display driver` in a docker container | 17:48 |
| mat128 | essentially IPMIview + x11vnc | 17:48 |
| devananda | mat128: interesting RFE | 17:48 |
| tiendc | Hi everyone, I also proposed a spec for this serial console stuff | 17:49 |
| tiendc | Here is my spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296869/ | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | very interesting since it would help users run things that don't have a serial port console | 17:49 |
| tiendc | I propose to add an IPMI proxy (ironic-ipmiproxy) to help connect Nova-serialproxy and bare metals | 17:49 |
| JayF | Heh maybe console needs a design summit session, lol | 17:49 |
| mat128 | I guess such "display driver container" could do the transformation between ipmitool console and a nova-compatible console | 17:49 |
| mat128 | relieving ironic-conductor of such duties | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | JayF, lol, it looks so | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | JayF: yeah... | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | can we add all the reviews to the agenda and keep it there until next week giving folks time to review | 17:49 |
| mat128 | < not at the summit :( | 17:49 |
| mat128 | but wont prevent anyone from having the discussions :P | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | I'd like to make sure we have time for vdrok's Node name updates topic | 17:50 |
| mat128 | NobodyCam: good idea, will make sure I finish my spec | 17:50 |
| zhenguo_ | NobodyCam: agree | 17:50 |
| devananda | actually, this looks like a good summit session IMO | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | mat128: when will your specification be available? | 17:50 |
| mat128 | this week for sure | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | awesome! | 17:50 |
| devananda | because we have several different proposals, and we also need to understand how Nova is currently expecting to interact with the functionalty | 17:50 |
| mat128 | just have to finalize both specs | 17:50 |
| mat128 | we're essentially already running this, so it's more describing than solving new issues | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: that too! can you address in the ML thread | 17:51 |
| rloo | +1 on summit session for serial console | 17:51 |
| sambetts | This is another console related proposal, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293871/ | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:51 |
| rloo | at least it is clear that folks want this feature :) | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 17:51 |
| devananda | mat128: from a quick read of your RFE, it looks like it is very specific ot your ipmlmentation and would need to be abstracted somewhat | 17:51 |
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| jlvillal | jroll leaves for 10 minutes and look what happens to his summit schedule ;) | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:51 |
| devananda | yea, clearly a feature a lot of folks want :) | 17:51 |
| thiagop | lol | 17:52 |
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| NobodyCam | we will have a ML thread so he can catch up | 17:52 |
| * thiagop watches clock | 17:52 | |
| devananda | I, for one, do not yet understand the differences between these proposals | 17:52 |
| devananda | and would like to | 17:52 |
| devananda | (but not right now) | 17:52 |
| mat128 | agreed | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | lets more on to Node name updates ! | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | vdrok: thats you | 17:52 |
| vdrok | #link https://review.openstack.org/300983 | 17:52 |
| vdrok | here is the patch, there are 2 bug resolved | 17:53 |
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| vdrok | first one being - forbid node name removal if api version is < 1.5 where names were introduced | 17:53 |
| vdrok | this changes return code 200 to 406 | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | I've put -1 on that patch as it looks like an API break to me.. | 17:54 |
| vdrok | second one being checking the final name that is requested in PATCH so that it is not impossible to do ironic node-update node add name=abc name=&*^&*^ | 17:54 |
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| vdrok | that changes 200 to 400 in this case | 17:54 |
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| vdrok | yep, there also is a today's thread about it | 17:54 |
| vdrok | on the one hand it is api break, on the other - both are bugs that should be fixed I think | 17:55 |
| devananda | I was reviewing that just before the meeting ... | 17:55 |
| mat128 | vdrok: why do we have to absolutely prevent an operator from setting a name using the old version? | 17:56 |
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| devananda | IMO, first one is clearly a fix and is OK to land without API bump. second one is less clear to me. | 17:56 |
| mat128 | just questioning the requirement, since it makes a 2xx become a 4xx | 17:56 |
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| devananda | mat128: the node name isn't included in the response body to a GET request for api v < 1.5 | 17:56 |
| vdrok | mat128: that's why we added api microversions in the first place :) | 17:56 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, for me it's the opposite. removing ability of removing the node name has much higher chances of breaking people | 17:57 |
| devananda | mat128: a request to add or change the name will be rejected, but a request to remove the name gets accepted | 17:57 |
| mat128 | devananda: thats perfect since it wont break old clients | 17:57 |
| thiagop | shouldn't the second one be for any duplicated parameter on update? | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | i think a review of how we hide / remove thing from privious api versions would good in general | 17:57 |
| mat128 | vdrok: it's just a new feature, hidden from old clients. In some specific way, you can push a name update on the old API, but you really have to know how | 17:57 |
| vdrok | devananda: you mean doing 2 subsequent name updates and checking only the last one? | 17:57 |
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| devananda | vdrok: sorry, I was referring to the first issue (old client can remove /name) | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | *FYI: two(2) minutes t go* | 17:58 |
| vdrok | mat128: currently you can only remove name with old api version | 17:58 |
| vdrok | devananda: ah, gotcha | 17:58 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: ++ since it seems like we should be moving forward, IMO | 17:58 |
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| dtantsur | lets continue on the ML? | 17:59 |
| vdrok | so yeah, removing name with old api version is not a huge problem, and can be left as is I think | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | can we take this one to the main ironic channel as we now have < 1 minute left | 17:59 |
| mat128 | you mean 302 right? :) | 17:59 |
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| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thats time | 18:00 |
| jlvillal | time is up :( | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you all | 18:00 |
| vdrok | thanks | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | lets take anything else back to main chanel | 18:00 |
| sambetts | thanks :) | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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