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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 14:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | Hi, anyone here for live migration ? | 14:00 |
| * eliqiao lurks | 14:00 | |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:00 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | hi | 14:00 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
| luis5tb_ | hi | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | wait just one minute | 14:01 |
| scheuran | hi | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | for stragglers (if any) | 14:01 |
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| paul-carlton2 | o/ | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: while waiting can i ask to review this series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | you just did :) | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | :) | 14:03 |
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| tdurakov | okay | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, what is the state of play for CI ? | 14:03 |
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| tdurakov | here is update: now I'm working on coverage for negative cases for live-migration. To check rollback things. | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | about job stability, any news for devstack plugin? | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, who was looking at devstack plugin ? | 14:04 |
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| tdurakov | last time I've asked there was activity leaded by markus_z | 14:05 |
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| tdurakov | so,if it's done - we could check whether the problem with jobs is fixed by newer veersions of libvirt/qemu or not | 14:06 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, and I just pinged markus_z so lets see if he turns up | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | yep | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | he says he will be here in 5-10 mins | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | anything else while we are waiting ? | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | maybe let's move on and get back to this topic when markus will be ready? | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | :) | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | ok | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Summit Sessions | 14:09 |
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| PaulMurray | I want to get organised for the summit sessions | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | to start with I want to make sure we have enough time | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | we have one session dedicated to us so far | 14:09 |
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| PaulMurray | see: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | Wed 11:50-12:30: live migration (gaps, re-approved specs, testing) | 14:10 |
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| PaulMurray | So we need to makes sure there are no significant clashes | 14:10 |
| PaulMurray | for people with talks etc. | 14:11 |
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| PaulMurray | Let me know if you do (or put it on the etherpad) | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | #link summit session planning https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you need time to go through storage pools | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | I know paul-carlton2 will not be there | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | I'm wondering. | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | My agenda is more around inculcating the importance of cleanup in this code. | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | But I've already put that in a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302117/ | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | If people could get eyes on that spec, if it's not controversial I don't think we need a separate session | 14:13 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you think it is realistic to get storage pools and changing migrate to use it in this cycle | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | Yes | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | Umm.. | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | Storage pools, yes | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | The goal of eliminating ssh... maybe not | 14:14 |
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| PaulMurray | I would like a plan to get both done if possible - its a relatively high want for security | 14:16 |
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| PaulMurray | Hi, markus_z, will come to you in a moment | 14:16 |
| paul-carlton2 | We can focus on this but there may be some changes for storage pools that require a change to externals that need a release notice, so early in O might be more realistic | 14:17 |
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| PaulMurray | ok - we can talk about it outside this meeting - and maybe in the summit | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yes, that might want a session. | 14:19 |
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| PaulMurray | There is also discussion going on around post-copy | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | How is that going ? | 14:19 |
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| PaulMurray | Is luis5tb_ here ? | 14:20 |
| davidgiluk | I know danpb has some comments on luis5tb's spec | 14:20 |
| luis5tb_ | I did not receive that much feedback beside the one we already had last week | 14:20 |
| pkoniszewski | i can say that i agree with Daniel, we shouldn't expose it through API | 14:20 |
| davidgiluk | the question then is how to structure it instead | 14:20 |
| pkoniszewski | we need something that paul-carlton2 mentioned in ml (some kind of SLA) or task api finally | 14:20 |
| luis5tb_ | I think that we can include a configuration in nova.conf | 14:21 |
| luis5tb_ | so that post-copy migration will be used or not based on that, per host level, instead of VM level | 14:21 |
| luis5tb_ | maybe somehow similar to the way of enabling tunneling for migrations | 14:21 |
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| luis5tb_ | and then, I thought of a simple way of switching from pre-copy to post-copy | 14:22 |
| paul-carlton2 | I'm working on a spec to define instances as cattle, pets or pandas and migrations as low, medium or high importance then use this to work out if/when to use features like post copy | 14:22 |
| luis5tb_ | based on the number of Iterations | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | imo it's bad idea to put it into nova.conf | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | again | 14:22 |
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| davidgiluk | host based is probably wrong because it does depend on the feature of the VMs | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | what point not to expose it over api? | 14:23 |
| pkoniszewski | so we have configuration vs api | 14:23 |
| pkoniszewski | to not expose hypervisor specific details through API | 14:23 |
| pkoniszewski | probably we should discuss it during summit | 14:23 |
| luis5tb_ | yep, I completely agree with Daniel regarding the automatic switching | 14:23 |
| * andrearosa thinks that post-copy-lm needs a discussion at the summit as well | 14:23 | |
| tdurakov | well, we could "downgrade" to pre-copy if it's not supported | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | i'd go with api approach | 14:23 |
| luis5tb_ | though I still think it is nice to have a flag for --post-copy to only use it when you like | 14:23 |
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| pkoniszewski | we never know when it is supported on the api level, thats the point | 14:24 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: we could check it:p | 14:24 |
| luis5tb_ | we can check if libvirt has the VIR_MIGRATE_POSTCOPY flag | 14:24 |
| andrearosa | tdurakov: then nova can check it instead of the user | 14:24 |
| tdurakov | andrearosa: what i think we should make l-m fully async | 14:25 |
| pkoniszewski | can we agree that it should be discussed during summit? we won't agree on a solution here.. | 14:25 |
| tdurakov | and force user to check result with instance actions | 14:25 |
| andrearosa | pkoniszewski: +1 | 14:25 |
| paul-carlton2 | luis5tb_, my approach is to have one flag on live-migration, optional importance defaulting to medium and let it work out what features to use to force migration to complete based on that and the instance type | 14:25 |
| pkoniszewski | we will have all cores there and it will be their decision, we can just show pros and cons of both, they will summarize | 14:26 |
| luis5tb_ | so, then I should leave the spec as it is until a decision is made during the summit? | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | It will be a good idea to come in with a proposl - a straw man - and then see what everyone wants to do | 14:26 |
| pkoniszewski | luis5tb: yes | 14:27 |
| luis5tb_ | ok | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | the summit should be for decisions - discussion needs to come before if possible so everyone knows what they think before they get there | 14:27 |
| pkoniszewski | we have two proposals already | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | I know, but no agreement yet | 14:27 |
| * davidgiluk isn't sure if anyone who has experience with postcopy is at the summit, but still OK | 14:27 | |
| pkoniszewski | with paul-carlton2 idea i think that we have three proposals | 14:27 |
| kashyap | davidgiluk: Probably you should head there, yourself? :-) | 14:28 |
| luis5tb_ | IMHO, main advantage of having the flag is that you don't need to always include the VIR_MIGRATE_POSTCOPY (and its overhead) when starting the migrations | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | but overhead is very small, isn't it? | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | So that's two topics that need some time | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | is it even noticeable? do we have any numbers? | 14:29 |
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| tdurakov | PaulMurray: maybe, get back to devstack plugin? | 14:29 |
| luis5tb_ | davidgiluk: do you have some numbers about the performance impact of using postcopy flag? | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, just want to finish this topic - markus_z says he can wait a bit | 14:30 |
| pkoniszewski | i know that it will add few miliseconds to VM downtime in final phase | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: cool | 14:30 |
| davidgiluk | luis5tb_: No I don't; but I'm more worried about restrictions on features than actual overhead | 14:30 |
| pkoniszewski | u mean, like RDMA or compression? | 14:30 |
| mdbooth | davidgiluk: Unfortunately danpb won't be there. | 14:30 |
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| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Right | 14:30 |
| pkoniszewski | so, we do not support compression anyway | 14:31 |
| luis5tb_ | pkoniszewski: I meant overhead of including the flag, but including the flag does not mean you are actually using post-copy mode | 14:31 |
| pkoniszewski | and if you use RDMA do you really need to use post-copy at all? | 14:31 |
| davidgiluk | luis5tb_: That overhead is pretty low | 14:31 |
| luis5tb_ | ok | 14:31 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: My bet is it's still a bad thing to autoenable based on host; but I may be wrong | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | lets cut this one now | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | is there anything else that will need time ? | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | We will go over things to do and CI | 14:32 |
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| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: tbh, i dont like both solutions | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | I'm wondering about anything that can't be sorted out without discussion there | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | There is some neutron/nova stuff that is listed at the end of the agenda | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | and it has been listed in the neutron/nova session for the summit | 14:34 |
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| PaulMurray | so may not need to budget for that - I'll make sure to follow up on that | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | ok - lets go back to markus_z now then | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Back To CI | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | are you still here markus_z | 14:35 |
| markus_z | yep | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, was asking about devstack plugin for versions of libvirt/qemu | 14:35 |
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| PaulMurray | what is the status | 14:36 |
| markus_z | The "happy path" isn't working right now. I have 2 patches which should solve that. | 14:36 |
| markus_z | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/devstack-plugin-additional-pkg-repos | 14:36 |
| markus_z | tonyb is the only core of the project and I didn't get him in the last days | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | starred this | 14:36 |
| markus_z | I wanted to discuss with him at the summit how to proceed. | 14:37 |
| tdurakov | markus_z: any estimates? | 14:37 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: estimates for what? Until it is fully finished and no experimental job anymore? | 14:38 |
| tdurakov | markus_z: plugin readiness i mean | 14:38 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: I hope to get it done until newton-1 | 14:38 |
| tdurakov | acked | 14:38 |
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| tdurakov | markus_z: thank you for details | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | markus_z, do you need any help - or is it just down to core review ? | 14:39 |
| markus_z | PaulMurray: It's down to core review. We also need cores for that plugin project. | 14:39 |
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| PaulMurray | markus_z, is it a separate project on its own ? | 14:40 |
| markus_z | PaulMurray: After I talked with tony I would post on the ML how the version-bump would look like. Then we can discuss there. | 14:40 |
| markus_z | PaulMurray: The devstack-plugin is, yes | 14:40 |
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| tdurakov | what about moving ubuntu versions for ci instead? | 14:40 |
| markus_z | PaulMurray: It's also of use for Neutron and Cinder, that's why we decided to keep it out-of-tree of Nova. | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | markus_z, got it - didn't clock that | 14:41 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: You mean the test nodes in the jenkins jobs? | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | yes | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | just bump whole linux version instead:) | 14:42 |
| markus_z | We get the pre-build libvirt(kvm) packages from Ubuntu-Cloud-Archive (at the moment). | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | batteries will be included then | 14:42 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: I think we will bump the libvirt version more often than the linux version of the test nodes | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | markus_z: ok | 14:43 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Only libvirt version, but not QEMU, too? | 14:44 |
| markus_z | If you like, we can discuss this at the summit. I'll grab you, PaulMurray and tonyb and figure this out in a few minutes | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | markus_z, sounds good to me | 14:44 |
| tdurakov | markus_z: I'll miss Austin | 14:44 |
| PaulMurray | markus_z, also only one core is not a good place to be - we can sort that out I'm sure | 14:45 |
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| PaulMurray | Thanks markus_z | 14:45 |
| clarkb | we have xenial available for experimental jobs now | 14:45 |
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| clarkb | and sometime after summit and xenials release will switch trusty jobs over | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | clarkb: could we disscuss it on #openstack-infra i got one experimental job for this | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | What's xenial ? | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | 16.0.4 | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | 16.04 i mean | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | new ubuntu version | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | oh, got it | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs | 14:47 |
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| tdurakov | PaulMurray: I think it will fit live-migration job | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | I just wanted to point out that the specs need reviews | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | And paul-carlton2, you need to submit newton versions of your specs | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | I am going to remove the mitaka ones from the page | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | If there are specs missing from that page please put them there | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | I will go through reviewing everything this week | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | please all do the same if you can | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open Discussion | 14:50 |
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| PaulMurray | The only one here is from scheuran | 14:50 |
| scheuran | hi | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | VIF information on migration | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | We did mention last week | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | and I know you said the main input is needed from neutron at the moment | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | is that right ? | 14:51 |
| scheuran | Right | 14:51 |
| scheuran | i posted a mail on the ML | 14:51 |
| scheuran | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092073.html | 14:51 |
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| scheuran | The point is, that we cannot just set the binding:host_id in pre_live_migration, as this would break some thirdparty mechanisms + the l2pop mechanism | 14:52 |
| scheuran | so we need to figure out another way on the Neutron side | 14:52 |
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| scheuran | One idea has already been posted on the ML | 14:52 |
| paul-carlton2 | PaulMurray, ack | 14:52 |
| scheuran | I'll come back to you guys as soon as I have a direction from Neutron side... | 14:53 |
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| mdbooth | I posted to the ML last week about image cache. Anybody get a chance to look at that? | 14:54 |
| mdbooth | I think markus_z was interested. | 14:54 |
| mdbooth | Basically, we've got some stored technical debt in image cache which is going to require a layout migration at some point when it's fixed. | 14:54 |
| mdbooth | storage pools will also require a layout migration. | 14:54 |
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| mdbooth | I suspect we don't want to try to fix image cache in this cycle, but I'd prefer to make this decision eyes open. | 14:55 |
| mdbooth | i.e. it will require 2 layout migrations. | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | I want to ask why - but I suspect I should re-read the ML | 14:56 |
| paul-carlton2 | the layout migration you refer to is disk.info? | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: Short answer: image cache stores data in the wrong place. | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | Essentially it's broken in design as well as implementation. | 14:57 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: Nope, the _base directory needs to go away | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | We only have 1 minute left | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | I would like to start discussing this - but we can't really | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | Discussion on the list is fine by my | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | me | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | how about we read and answer | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | +1 thanks | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | and we can talk again next week if needed | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | got to cut off now I'm affraid | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | thanks all for coming | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 14:59:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-12-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-12-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-04-12-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 17:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi vijendar | 17:01 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: o/ | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni1 | here is agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-04-12_1700_UTC | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni1 | lets wait for some time to allow others to join the meeting | 17:02 |
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| vijendar | sure | 17:02 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi adrian_otto | 17:02 |
| Ablu | hi ho | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi Ablu | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | here is agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-04-12_1700_UTC | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I think we have a quorum, so we can get started | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:03 | |
| devkulkarni1 | 1) New TC members | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091702.html | 17:03 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Last week the TC election results were out | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | Check the above link for the new folks who will be joining the openstack tc | 17:04 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 2) Austin summit tracks | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | Solum Fishbowl session: April 28, Thursday, 4:10 - 4:50 | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | Solum Work room: April 28, Thursday, 5:00 - 5:40 | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-austin-summit-planning | 17:05 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I have been announcing this in last couple of meetings too about our fishbowl session and the workroom session | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni1 | please feel free to add items to the etherpad that we should cover in the workroom session | 17:05 |
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| devkulkarni1 | apart from these two announcements, I don't have any other announcement | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | do any of the team members have anything that they want to share with the team? | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright.. lets move to next topic then | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Review Action Items | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:07 | |
| devkulkarni1 | (devkulkarni) (todo) Follow up with the devstack team | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | I had a todo to follow up with the devstack team to figure out the issue with n-dhcp log file | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | which was causing our gate tests to fail | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | I haven't yet had time to follow up with the devstack team yet | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | I will carry the todo forward | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | #action devkulkarni to follow up with the devstack team regarding n-dhcp log file issue which is causing solum's devstack gate tests to fail | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | were there any other action items that any of you had in mind which we haven't tracked? | 17:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't remember any from last week | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | ok cool | 17:10 |
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| devkulkarni1 | moving on to next topic then | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Patches for Review | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches for Review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:11 | |
| devkulkarni1 | there are no outstanding patches that need immediate attention :) | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/solum+status:open,n,z | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-solumclient+status:open,n,z | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | client patch queue is empty | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | the patches for the service side are non-blockers .. | 17:12 |
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| devkulkarni1 | some of them are bit old | 17:12 |
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| devkulkarni1 | vijendar, Ablu: are you working on any bug/code which needs review? | 17:13 |
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| Ablu | devkulkarni1: i only worked the last week. I did nothing really | 17:13 |
| vijendar | sorry… I did not get a chance to work on bugs assigned to me. will work on this week | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu, vijendar: no worries | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni1 | just wanted to check if there is anything in the pipeline that we should be aware of | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni1 | something that you might want to get reviewed.. | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi dimtruck | 17:15 |
| dimtruck | hi sir | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni1 | now that I have caught your attention, wanted to quickly check up on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264899/ | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | :) | 17:16 |
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| devkulkarni1 | there was discussion last week on the mailing list about separating tempest tests in a different repository | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | let me see if I can find that | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091295.html | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | this was from designate team | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | while the tempest team suggests/recommends that it is better to extract the tests in its own repository, no team seems to be doing that yet | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | designate probably is the first team which is attempting that | 17:18 |
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| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck: wanted to get your perspective on this.. | 17:18 |
| adrian_otto | why? What's the rationale behind that? | 17:19 |
| adrian_otto | (reading the ML) | 17:19 |
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| devkulkarni1 | pros/cons of both approaches have come up in that thread | 17:19 |
| adrian_otto | the requirements argument seems persuasive, but I'd like to quantify what the difference would be | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni1 | one thing going for separating the repo is to separately manage the requirements of test repo and the main repo | 17:20 |
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| devkulkarni1 | agree | 17:20 |
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| devkulkarni1 | how is it being done in magnum adrian_otto? | 17:20 |
| adrian_otto | in tree | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni1 | ok.. so same as most of the projects I believe | 17:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html#standalone-plugin-vs-in-repo-plugin | 17:21 |
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| dimtruck | devkulkarni1: so magnum uses in-plugin but we're one of the few | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | because that was the approach from the last summit | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | as you've mentioned, that changed a bit recently | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | while the advantages for separating out are persuasive, as you were saying, landing two patches is something which can incur delays | 17:23 |
| dimtruck | i still like the plugin approach | 17:23 |
| adrian_otto | in a separate repo, dimtruck? | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck: I think the issue is not whether to use plugin or not.. the issue is where to keep the tests | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | (i apologize for not answering promptly, in a physical meeting) | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | adrian_otto: no, the way we did it in magnum | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | in tree | 17:24 |
| adrian_otto | yeah, that's the usual way | 17:24 |
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| dimtruck | the plugin approach has only been implemented by, i think 4 projects | 17:24 |
| dimtruck | sahara, manilla, magnum, and ceilometer | 17:24 |
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| dimtruck | (may hve been more since i looked) | 17:24 |
| adrian_otto | did Designate pull the plugin into another repo, devkulkarni1? | 17:25 |
| dimtruck | oh, and designate | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: the last on that thread was that they were going to do that | 17:25 |
| dimtruck | https://github.com/openstack/designate/tree/master/functionaltests/api | 17:25 |
| dimtruck | they're still there | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: I will check with the designate team at rax about the latest on this | 17:26 |
| dimtruck | actually, they don't have tempest-plugin implemented | 17:26 |
| adrian_otto | so Solum would be the first if that approach were pursued? | 17:27 |
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| dimtruck | i believe so | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni1 | unless designate does it | 17:27 |
| dimtruck | i haven't seen anyone else do this...i can ask around | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck: also, on your patch, curious what all things are required to push it forward | 17:27 |
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| dimtruck | devkulkarni1: just me rebasing | 17:28 |
| dimtruck | i'm sorry | 17:28 |
| dimtruck | i'll attempt to get this pushed through this week | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck: no worries.. I know you have been busy | 17:28 |
| dimtruck | (time flies) | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck: if you can push it this week that would be awesome.. otherwise, after the summit is also fine | 17:28 |
| dimtruck | i'll definitely try | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | cool | 17:29 |
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| devkulkarni1 | any other thoughts on this topic? | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Bug review | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1566891 | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566891 in Solum "show-status-of-solum-services" [Undecided,New] | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | I registered this bug last week | 17:30 |
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| devkulkarni1 | it is about adding a command to get the status of solum services — if they are up | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni1 | other projects have this feature I believe | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: do you know how this is done in heat? | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni1 | dimtruck, adrian_otto: and in magnum? | 17:32 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: I don't think heat has one | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: oh okay | 17:32 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: so this will be implemented as a new endpoint and probably admin would use it …right? | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | yes.. something along those lines | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | although, looking at the thread from designate | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091548.html | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | it looks like they are thinking of adding this feature as part of the cli commands | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni1 | are they locking down the commands only to admin? | 17:35 |
| devkulkarni1 | don't know.. | 17:35 |
| vijendar | ok | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni1 | something for us to think about | 17:36 |
| vijendar | we can keep this bug around and think about it later | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni1 | agree | 17:36 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Ablu, vijendar: are there other bugs that you had in mind but have not filed yet? | 17:37 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: I remember you mentioend some time back about creating app and deploying in single api call | 17:38 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni1: is there any bug to track that? | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: let me check | 17:39 |
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| Ablu | not for my part | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: ok | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: I don't see that bug | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | vijendar: I can file it | 17:40 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni1: thanks | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright.. lets move on to open discussion | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Some updates from the upstream | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | 1) Eliminating the devstack layer | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091764.html | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | This one is about issues that arise when configuring a service in devstack vs. when configuring it in a real deployment | 17:42 |
| devkulkarni1 | it is an interesting read | 17:42 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 2) Common abstraction for different compute form factors (VMs, bare metal, containers) | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091947.html | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | This one is about providing a common api to provision different kinds of compute things | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | VMs, bare metal servers, containers | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | lot of good points and discussion on this thread | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | 3) Cross-project sessions | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 17:46 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I think the cross-project sessions have now been finalized | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | above etherpad link contains all the sessions that were proposed | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | only some of them have been selected for the summit | 17:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | I could not locate the email in which the final cross project session schedule was announced | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | summit discussions on any of the cross-project sessions would be interesting imo | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | I will definitely be attending them | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | anyways.. that is all I had for open discussion | 17:48 |
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| devkulkarni1 | anything you have on mind to discuss? | 17:49 |
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| devkulkarni1 | alright then.. I can end early and give 10 minutes back to all :) | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks for joining the meeting today | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | see you next week | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 17:53:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-12-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-12-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-04-12-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
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