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| sheeprine | CloudKitty meeting is about to start, I know some people wanted to attend it. | 14:01 |
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| sheeprine | huats: sergio_nubeiu: ? | 14:03 |
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| huats | sheeprine: I am here ! | 14:09 |
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| huats | sorry for the delay | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | I know sergio wanted to be here to talk about gnocchi support | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | I guess he wasn't able to do it | 14:10 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: I'm here too | 14:10 |
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| sergio_nubeliu | Hi | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | Oh | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | Great | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | Let's start then | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 14:10:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | We've got a pretty small agenda for this meeting. | 14:11 |
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| sheeprine | Summit debriefing | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | Gnocchi support stage2 | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | Road to version 0.6 | 14:11 |
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| sheeprine | #topic Summit debriefing | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit debriefing (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:12 | |
| sheeprine | About what happened during Austin summit. | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | We've got more people interested in CloudKitty, which is great. | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | I got in touch with people from rackspace that started working on the project. | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | They'll work on ansible roles and try to modify some parts to make it work for their deployments. | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | From what I've heard they should have 3 - 4 people working on it for 2 to 4 weeks. | 14:14 |
| huats | I have been discussing with some of them during the weekend | 14:14 |
| huats | trying to help them out a bit | 14:15 |
| sheeprine | Speaking of that, we need to focus more on the doc. Most people don't know how to install or use CloudKitty. | 14:15 |
| huats | sheeprine: indeed | 14:15 |
| huats | I have been discussing that with one of them | 14:15 |
| huats | Actually I was waiting for a patch to land on the trunk to work on that from a full view (installation and configuration) | 14:16 |
| huats | and this patch should arrive quite soon from what we discussed last wednesday sheeprine :) | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | Great, I'll try to ping other cores to speed up review process. | 14:17 |
| huats | I will make a review of your doc tomorrow | 14:17 |
| huats | sheeprine: ^ | 14:17 |
| huats | for hashmap | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | Anything to add about the summit? | 14:17 |
| sergio_nubeliu | I agree that we need to improve the doc, and add some doc about gnocchi and cloudkitty | 14:18 |
| huats | sergio_nubeliu: actually this is something that I will adress | 14:18 |
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| sergio_nubeliu | huats: great | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | Yes especialy the current limitations around archive policy and the way cloudkitty is fetching data. | 14:18 |
| huats | I have discussed that with err earlier today (a guy from the #cloudkitty chan) | 14:18 |
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| huats | that it was nice to meet Maximiliano :) | 14:19 |
| huats | (that is the thing I wanted to add on the Summit) | 14:19 |
| sheeprine | And see what you've done with CloudKitty ;) | 14:20 |
| sergio_nubeliu | :) | 14:20 |
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| sheeprine | Let's focus on gnocchi support now, we've got some work about that. | 14:21 |
| sheeprine | #topic gnocchi support | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gnocchi support (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:21 | |
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| sheeprine | So, what we all agreed on during the summit and session is to improve gnocchi support and to remove the need for an intermediary database. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | We've got 2 ways of doing it, 1 do a 1:1 mapping with gnocchi resources. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | 2 support dynamic resources thanks to the new API. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | I think 1 is pretty easy to attain in a small timeframe | 14:23 |
| sheeprine | but 2 might need more work. | 14:23 |
| sheeprine | 1 has some limitations, we can't support data collected outside of gnocchi | 14:23 |
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| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: do you agree to use same resources and create a new metric for each metric that have rating rules? | 14:24 |
| sheeprine | sergio_nubeliu: Yep, it's the easiest way to do it. | 14:24 |
| sheeprine | Just do a metric.cost | 14:24 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: that's right. understood, the limitations | 14:25 |
| huats | We discussed that it would be best to address 1 dring that cycle and then to work on that during the O cycle for the 2 | 14:25 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: what kind of data are you thinking about outside of gnocchi? | 14:25 |
| huats | since it would give time to work on things asides that are needed | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | sergio_nubeliu: No clear idea, but we're supposed to handle multiple collectors, which means data that is not coming from gnocchi. | 14:26 |
| sheeprine | At the moment the only other collector is ceilometer... which is pointless if we are using gnocchi | 14:26 |
| sheeprine | But some people might need it. Since at the moment it's not the case we'll first focus on point #1 | 14:27 |
| huats | sheeprine: isn't it possible to inject data inside gnocchi from the collectors so that there is just 1 data source ? | 14:27 |
| sheeprine | Same problem as storing, you are just moving the problem in the collector. | 14:27 |
| sergio_nubeliu | huats: i think yes, its totally possible using the gnocchi api | 14:28 |
| huats | ok | 14:28 |
| huats | I was just mentionning that if someone NEEDS that it is a possibility ... | 14:29 |
| sergio_nubeliu | huats: sure... | 14:29 |
| sergio_nubeliu | so, are we agreed to develop this 1:1 option at first? | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | Might, but I really doubt we'll ever do something like that | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | Yes | 14:30 |
| huats | sounds good for me too | 14:30 |
| sheeprine | I'm fixing a bug and doing some code cleanup in the current collector. | 14:30 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: are you ok if i work on this? | 14:30 |
| sheeprine | Yeah sure. | 14:31 |
| sheeprine | I'll finish the collector part, but you can start the work on the storage. | 14:31 |
| sheeprine | This way we can have good gnocchi support faster. | 14:31 |
| sergio_nubeliu | great! i think it shouldn't take more than two weeks to have a first version? | 14:32 |
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| sheeprine | I think that we should create a new driver. | 14:32 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: agree | 14:32 |
| sheeprine | You can duplicate the gnocchihybrid but name it gnocchi | 14:32 |
| sheeprine | As it's pretty different from the way it's working. | 14:32 |
| sheeprine | And then we implement #2 as new features. | 14:33 |
| sheeprine | If you're working on storage I'll try to focus on new collector and internal objects. | 14:33 |
| sheeprine | Does anyone as more to add about gnocchi? | 14:34 |
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| huats | not from me | 14:34 |
| sergio_nubeliu | ok, i'll be working on 1:1 storage for the next two weeks | 14:35 |
| huats | great to hear sheeprine | 14:35 |
| huats | sergio_nubeliu: | 14:35 |
| sheeprine | good. | 14:35 |
| huats | ^ | 14:35 |
| huats | :) | 14:35 |
| sheeprine | sergio_nubeliu: try to push you patch in review as work in progress | 14:35 |
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| sheeprine | This way I can have a look at the architecture and tell you if something should be modified earlier. | 14:35 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: i'll do it | 14:35 |
| sheeprine | great. | 14:35 |
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| sheeprine | Let's move on. | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | #topic road to version 0.6 | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "road to version 0.6 (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:37 | |
| sheeprine | Nothing really new here, we'll try to keep focus on what we planned for CloudKitty till now. | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | The full roadmap is in the previous meeting logs. | 14:38 |
| sheeprine | We worked on what we'll do (objectif libre) during the next spints. | 14:38 |
| sheeprine | We'll try to get this published ASAP so everyone can have a clear picture of what is soon to come on what's on the map. | 14:38 |
| sheeprine | sergio_nubeliu: Any specific point you want to include in version 0.6? | 14:39 |
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| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: for this version 0.6, having the native gnocchi it fine by me | 14:41 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: when do you plan to release? | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | for 0.6? improved gnocchi support, new collector resources modeling. | 14:42 |
| sheeprine | Not the awful list of dicts | 14:42 |
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| sheeprine | You'll have an object with all the parameters | 14:42 |
| sheeprine | But it will still behaves as a dict some legacy code still works. | 14:42 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: i think, the native storage will be a major performance improvement | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | I guess it's pretty important for you. | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | I'm pretty sure yes. | 14:43 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: yes, you are right | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | At some point of time it might be usefull to plug the fake collector and a dummy storage to profile rating code of cloudkitty. | 14:43 |
| sergio_nubeliu | :) | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | But not for this release ;) | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | version 0.7 will focus on storage | 14:44 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: do you have an estimated date for the release? | 14:44 |
| sheeprine | 0.6? I hope less than a month | 14:44 |
| sergio_nubeliu | sheeprine: thats great! | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | So if you say you are done with the storage in 2 weeks it's perfect | 14:45 |
| huats | it depends on you too sergio_nubeliu ;) | 14:45 |
| sergio_nubeliu | I hope so | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | sergio_nubeliu: No presure ;) | 14:45 |
| sergio_nubeliu | hahahaha, no presures :) | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | Are we ok about what's v0.6? | 14:47 |
| huats | I think we are sheeprine ! | 14:47 |
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| sheeprine | #topic last minutes | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last minutes (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:48 | |
| sergio_nubeliu | yes, i think so! | 14:48 |
| sheeprine | We have a few minutes left, anything to add? | 14:48 |
| huats | Not for me ! | 14:48 |
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| sergio_nubeliu | no, i'll contact you on irc while i develop the storage to discuss if needed | 14:49 |
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| sheeprine | Ok great. | 14:50 |
| sergio_nubeliu | thank you guys! | 14:50 |
| sheeprine | We're done then, thanks everyone. | 14:50 |
| sergio_nubeliu | have a nice week! | 14:50 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 14:50:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-05-09-14.10.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-05-09-14.10.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-05-09-14.10.log.html | 14:50 |
| huats | thanks ! | 14:50 |
| sheeprine | See you all in #cloudkitty ;) | 14:50 |
| catintheroof | sheeprine, should we use #openstack-rating ? | 14:51 |
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| sheeprine | catintheroof: #openstack-rating was used during the first steps of what will become cloudkitty. | 14:52 |
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| sheeprine | Since we were not an openstack project we were not supposed to use the name openstack-rating. As we were not affiliated with OpenStack. | 14:52 |
| catintheroof | sheeprine, oh, si it's a WAS | 14:52 |
| sheeprine | We still happen to be in the channel but we all meet in #cloudkitty | 14:53 |
| catintheroof | sheeprine, because then we should ask to change the openstack-rating for cloudkitty on the official IRC list | 14:53 |
| catintheroof | sheeprine, maybe | 14:53 |
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| sheeprine | catintheroof: Oh is it set to #openstack-rating in the official irc list? | 14:54 |
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| sheeprine | catintheroof: indeed it is... I'll try to change it. Thanks for the info. | 14:58 |
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| catintheroof | sheeprine, NP | 15:09 |
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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 16:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
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| jklare | hi | 16:00 |
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| sc` | ohai! | 16:00 |
| sc` | we have a few topics today, i think | 16:01 |
| sc` | #topic cutting stable/mitaka | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cutting stable/mitaka (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:02 | |
| jklare | i think we are close to doing that :) | 16:02 |
| sc` | i think we're pretty close to a place where we can do this | 16:02 |
| sc` | the initial tempest stuff is in. i just looked at your multi node and role cleanup review. intend to spin a local instance today | 16:03 |
| jklare | the bug for the virtlog not starting is still out there | 16:03 |
| jklare | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1577455 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577455 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "virtlogd not started automatically with libvirt-bin 1.3.1-1ubuntu10~cloud0" [Undecided,New] | 16:04 |
| jklare | nobody seems to care | 16:04 |
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| jklare | but you can workaround that with just manually starting it | 16:04 |
| jklare | or restarting the instances | 16:04 |
| sc` | unfortunate. it's a workaround | 16:04 |
| jklare | i hope that ubuntu fixes it soon | 16:05 |
| sc` | need to light a fire under some people | 16:05 |
| jklare | ^^ | 16:05 |
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| sc` | i think the release can happen this week | 16:06 |
| jklare | sounds good | 16:07 |
| jklare | but we still need to close the bugs and blueprints | 16:07 |
| jklare | and i am quite busy this week | 16:07 |
| jklare | its CoreOSFest in berlin :) | 16:07 |
| sc` | yup. have to get lp in good shape | 16:08 |
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| sc` | the refactoring blueprint can most definitely be closed out for mitaka | 16:08 |
| jklare | :) | 16:09 |
| jklare | at least for the core cookbooks | 16:09 |
| sc` | yeah. still needs to be done for openstackclient, swift, etc. | 16:09 |
| sc` | openstackclient is going to be more of an important cookbook going forward, i think | 16:10 |
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| jklare | yeah | 16:12 |
| jklare | buts its not a very easy one i think | 16:12 |
| sc` | no | 16:12 |
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| sc` | #topic newton on centos | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton on centos (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:14 | |
| sc` | though we still have mitaka to release, i changed a local copy of the cookbooks over to use the newton repo from rdo, and it works | 16:14 |
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| sc` | the modifications were minimal, just a change to the attribute, and adding in the mitaka-deps repo | 16:16 |
| sc` | unfortunately, i can't say the same for ubuntu as... apparently there are no packages yet | 16:16 |
| sc` | it doesn't seem to work in ci, yet | 16:17 |
| jklare | there wont be until 16.10 i guess | 16:17 |
| jklare | but we can try to aim for xenial support in mitaka | 16:17 |
| jklare | i added the ci job a week ago | 16:18 |
| jklare | so we can start testing and maybe even include 16.04 support in our first stable/mitaka release | 16:18 |
| jklare | why are there packages for newton already on centos? | 16:19 |
| sc` | people like playing close to the bleeding edge | 16:19 |
| jklare | or does newton = master = nightly ? | 16:19 |
| sc` | sort of | 16:19 |
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| jklare | cool | 16:19 |
| jklare | have not seen anything like that for ubuntu yet | 16:21 |
| jklare | but maybe its out there | 16:21 |
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| sc` | if not it should be! | 16:24 |
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| jklare | yeah not sure | 16:27 |
| jklare | i think packaging is fine for stable stuff | 16:27 |
| jklare | but if you really want to go for master/neutron things | 16:27 |
| jklare | you probably want to build yourself | 16:27 |
| jklare | but thats my opinion | 16:27 |
| sc` | for now, yeah | 16:27 |
| sc` | the closer packaging can get to master, the sooner people can start testing, but that's a larger topic | 16:28 |
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| jklare | you have a point there | 16:29 |
| jklare | :) | 16:29 |
| jklare | anything else you want to talk about? | 16:29 |
| sc` | that's about all i have | 16:30 |
| jklare | same here | 16:30 |
| sc` | then let's call it. thanks for joining | 16:31 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 16:31:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-05-09-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-05-09-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-05-09-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 17:00 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:00 |
| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 17:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, agenda is here: | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
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| jroll | let's jump in | 17:01 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
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| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | so uh, welcome back from the summit everyone :) | 17:01 |
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| jroll | gate was broken this morning | 17:01 |
| jroll | revert just merged in, should be better now | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314024/ | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks dtantsur for troubleshooting it :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you dtantsur | 17:02 |
| rloo | o/ +1 | 17:02 |
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| jroll | other than that, most of the team is working hard on upgrade testing, which is our #1 priority right now | 17:02 |
| jroll | I have summit summary coming out soon, only a couple more sessions to write about | 17:03 |
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| jroll | and midcycle things - there's a topic on today's agenda for that | 17:03 |
| jroll | any other announcements / reminders? | 17:03 |
| rloo | reminder to update subteam reports :) | 17:04 |
| rloo | and newton priorities were set | 17:04 |
| jroll | ah, yes. newton priorities are here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/newton-priorities.html | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/newton-priorities.html | 17:05 |
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| jroll | nothing else? | 17:05 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:05 |
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| jroll | as always, those are on the whiteboard | 17:05 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:05 |
| jroll | starts at line 85 | 17:06 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a minute to review, and then I think we want to get meta about this for a moment | 17:06 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I wonder if we should have said something about your patch to switch to tinyIPA for gate jobs | 17:08 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: maybe, thank you | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | I'll repeat what I wrote there: I suggest we switch -2 from the portgroups API patch to the network drivers one | 17:09 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: (mine just switched grenade jobs) | 17:09 |
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| Pramod | Hi | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | I understand it's nice to land them together, but these are huge patches which are not easy to review | 17:09 |
| jroll | dtantsur: possibly, though it would be nice to land the api changes somewhat together. devananda had a similar opinion | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | see above :) | 17:09 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I'm curious as to why. the API changes are the hardest to back out after we land | 17:09 |
| jroll | right, so | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | devananda, do we expect any changes there? it's essentially CRUD | 17:09 |
| jroll | we suggested in this morning's meeting that folks split those patches up | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | we're artificially delaying landing of the whole thing, hence my concern.. people have to rebase so much code | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | splitting would be nice yeah | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: split up which patches? | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | no use in splitting if we're going to block the whole chain in the same manner | 17:10 |
| jroll | rloo: networks work | 17:10 |
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| devananda | it's basically two 2500 line patches right now | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | they'll still have to rebase the whole thing every time | 17:10 |
| devananda | pretty hard to review IMO | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | +1 to "hard to review" though | 17:10 |
| sambetts | +1 | 17:10 |
| rloo | I've already reviewed the API patch so don't want to split that up. | 17:11 |
| devananda | the other, what, ten patches after that are small enough and easy to review | 17:11 |
| rloo | i've reviewed the network patch and agree, would have been nice to split that up. | 17:11 |
| jroll | I guess I don't have a strong opinion either way on landing the portgroups patch | 17:11 |
| Pramod | I am Pramod. i work for opendaylight SDN controller team! i have a question about the bandwidth limit field! Would like to know the maximum and minimum limit which is supported by QOS now | 17:11 |
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| jroll | Pramod: this is an ironic project meeting, I think you want #openstack-neutron channel | 17:11 |
| devananda | rloo: when did you review it? I don't see a +2 from you in the last couple months | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | Pramod, I think you are on the wrong channel, check neutron | 17:12 |
| rloo | devananda: wrt the API? I reviewed it months ago. did it change since then? I assuemd they were all rebases after that. | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | with or without splitting, I think we can start merging patches not touching drivers | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | rloo raises a good point: it's hard to track out reviews after rebases... | 17:13 |
| devananda | rloo: I don' tknow if they were all rebases since then or not. it's hard for me to keep track ... | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | especially on something THAT huge | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | maybe we should have this discussion later on in the meeting? | 17:13 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: +1 | 17:13 |
| rloo | fwiw, i didn't re-review the api changes cuz i assumed they had all been rebases. i was only going to do it ONE LAST TIME... | 17:13 |
| jroll | or in channel | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | ok fine :) | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, sounds off-topic | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | +1 to in channel | 17:14 |
| jroll | so rloo had some meta-discussion things on this topic | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: want to talk about those now? | 17:14 |
| rloo | sure. so i added new subteams to reflect newton priorities. | 17:14 |
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| rloo | and live upgrades is no longer a priority. should i remove it. | 17:14 |
| jroll | I think so | 17:15 |
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| rloo | ok, #something to removing live upgrades | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | I guess it's kind of merged into Grenade work | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | live upgrades is not a priority? | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | if it's not a priority I think it would be fine to remove | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur: not true. there is code needed for live upgrades | 17:15 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: it is not on our list of high priority items | 17:15 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | Ah, okay. | 17:15 |
| jroll | it is a priority, but not a top priority | 17:15 |
| rloo | jlvillal: i believe it was on the secondary list of priorities | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | got it. then yeah, getting just upgrade tested is a bigger thing to have | 17:15 |
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| rloo | so agreed, good to remove live upgrades? any nays? | 17:16 |
| * jroll pauses | 17:16 | |
| jroll | okay, let's do it | 17:17 |
| jroll | done | 17:17 |
| rloo | my next question. i notice that we have some subteams wrt cross project initiatives, oslo & nova. | 17:17 |
| rloo | there are lots of other cross projects https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 17:18 |
| rloo | do people think it worthwhile to list those other ones as subteams too? | 17:18 |
| jroll | I personally don't find the existing ones terribly useful, they usually don't have much info | 17:18 |
| jroll | or rather much to report | 17:18 |
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| rloo | so do they not have much info cuz people aren't reporting, or cuz nothing to report? | 17:18 |
| jroll | I tend to think the latter | 17:19 |
| rloo | so would a 'cross-project liaisons' be sufficient? (or something like that) | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | maybe we can make it optional? If there's something to be reported we can freely add to the etherpad for that week | 17:19 |
| jroll | partially because if there's something major, we raise it outside of the meeting | 17:19 |
| rloo | well 'outside the meeting' == ?? irc?? | 17:19 |
| jroll | e.g. api-ref thing, if there was something horribly broken in nova irc pings and emails would happen, etc | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | maybe a "Other" section where liaisons could put inserting bit should they have any? | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah maybe a topic for all seems a good spot | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ++ to just "Cross-Project" section | 17:20 |
| rloo | seems like we want to know what might be coming up, not what landed/decided? | 17:20 |
| jroll | sure | 17:20 |
| rloo | eg, i had no idea there was an api-ref for ironic. | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ | 17:20 |
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| jroll | I guess what I'm saying is I haven't personally found valuable info from that section, ever | 17:21 |
| rloo | true. sort of. the oslo ones were informative. | 17:21 |
| jroll | rloo: well, there was an email thread that said "projects should move to this model" | 17:21 |
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| rloo | jroll: what i mean was, you moved api-ref to our tree. i didn't even know there was api-ref outside our tree. | 17:21 |
| devananda | rloo: that was a repo the docs team managed for the last several years | 17:22 |
| jroll | rloo: oh, that's because only docs people worked on that. nobody in our project really knew or cared about it. same for most projects | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | I had no idea either | 17:22 |
| rloo | jroll: even with a doc liaison, we might not have known about the api-ref outside our tree so it might be moot. | 17:22 |
| devananda | it just became cross-project | 17:22 |
| jroll | because the format was super exclusive, etc | 17:22 |
| jroll | anyway, I think a general "cross-project" section is a good middle ground | 17:23 |
| rloo | i'm good with cross-project. anyone against it? | 17:23 |
| * lucasagomes is fine with it | 17:23 | |
| devananda | ++. I think it's very useful for folks who are doing cross-project tracking to raise any upcoming (or recently decided) things to the broader ironic team | 17:23 |
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| rloo | that's all I had on this topic, for the time being :) | 17:24 |
| jroll | cool, thanks ruby | 17:24 |
| jroll | anything else from anyone here or can we move on? | 17:25 |
| jroll | #topic proliantutils in our governance | 17:25 |
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| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313667/ | 17:25 |
| jroll | this was brought to my attention today | 17:25 |
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| jroll | and I think I'm okay with it, but wanted to see what folks thing | 17:26 |
| stendulker | This is wrt vendor CI discussion we had at summit, that CI information is fetched from stackalytics. Using python-dracclient as reference raised two patches for review. | 17:26 |
| rloo | would it be in scope for me to ask what does it mean to be an ironic project and what does it mean wrt responsibilites for ... | 17:26 |
| jroll | stendulker later pointed out that they were just copying what dracclient did | 17:26 |
| stendulker | driverlog - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311277/ and in governance - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313667/ | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | does being in our governance means that the core team has to guarantee some quality of that code and things like that? | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | cause I have no means to test that project | 17:26 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: no, it doesn't | 17:26 |
| jroll | it means the PTL is responsible for the project and its governance, releases, etc | 17:26 |
| stendulker | Not sure on the impact of being into governance... | 17:27 |
| jroll | and, as with all things, that can be delegated | 17:27 |
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| devananda | it's akin to neutron's "stadium" -- we acknowledge that contributions to that repo are contributions to Ironic | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | the same model is applied to dracclient, wsmanclient and pyghmi, right? and to some extent to inspector stuff? | 17:27 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah seems fine then | 17:27 |
| devananda | so, eg, someone who contributes to proliantutils would be considered an ATC on theIironic project, get to vote on PTL election, etc | 17:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: yep | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | dracclient is already in part of the governance so, it makes sense to have the iLO one as well | 17:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: well, pyghmi isn't in our governance, but otherwise yes | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | (and potentially others) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | jroll, aha. though if we start using vbmc in gate we might want to get more involved in pyghmi | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | I believe there are other repos like this already under our governance like the Drac | 17:28 |
| jroll | this is the current list of projects we "own" right now: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/ironic.html | 17:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yes, I agree :) | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | not sure I understand the reference to CI and stackalytics, driverlog add isn't an infra requirement | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah, I've been trying to help with with | 17:29 |
| sambetts | I'm really interested on how this is going to work in the grand scheme of things after neutron just kicked all vendor specifc things out of their governance :/ | 17:29 |
| devananda | sambetts: ohh? | 17:29 |
| rloo | so we should be consistent. if dracclient is there, so should proliantutils. | 17:29 |
| devananda | maybe I missed that | 17:29 |
| jroll | krtaylor: right, separate topic, but we did say they should do that | 17:29 |
| jroll | devananda: heh. yeah, it's a thing. | 17:29 |
| rloo | oh. let's follow neutron then. | 17:29 |
| jroll | sambetts: devananda: the krux there was that they were approaching hundreds of projects, afaik, with more coming. | 17:29 |
| rloo | i hope ironic will have hundreds of projects one day too :) | 17:30 |
| jroll | no, let's not blindly follow neutron. but we should consider their reasoning etc | 17:30 |
| * jlvillal feels like they shouldn't be there. Mostly gut feeling | 17:30 | |
| jroll | I think my proposal for now is that we should accept proliantutils for consistency, and if we feel like this is all unmanageable, talk about that at another time | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | jroll, should we require test teams to add their test system to driverlog? | 17:30 |
| devananda | sambetts: ooh. I see! No vendor drivers here: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/neutron.html | 17:30 |
| rloo | i personally am not comfortable with the hw-specific ones being there. and/or is there a tag we can use to differentiate those. | 17:31 |
| * sambetts is trying to find their spec for it | 17:31 | |
| jroll | krtaylor: well, we wanted to keep marketplace up to date, which is fed by driverlog yes? | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | jroll, right, good point, then yes | 17:31 |
| jroll | so, I don't want to take the whole meeting on this | 17:31 |
| jroll | but I see there are concerns with too many vendor things | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I suspect there might be limitations like "non-official projects can't do XXX" like with stackforge... | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | thus people try to get into an official project tent | 17:32 |
| sambetts | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-community-stadium-evolution | 17:32 |
| devananda | krtaylor: governance inclusion in Ironic shouldn't affect driverlog or third-party CI, AIUI. but it does affect ATC status and contribution metrics on stackalytics | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh. hmm. | 17:32 |
| rloo | i would like someone to talk to neutron folks, think about this, and report back next meeting. | 17:32 |
| rloo | pros/cons. if what dtantur said is true. what are neutron vendors going to do. | 17:32 |
| rloo | can we at least tag them? | 17:33 |
| jroll | sure | 17:33 |
| devananda | yea. to be clear -- if we include the hw driver projects in ironic's governance, then folks who contribute ONLY to those projects (and not to openstack/ironic, our client, etc) will get ATC status and vote in Ironic's PTL election | 17:33 |
| jroll | and that's a long conversation to have | 17:33 |
| jroll | and lots of things to think about | 17:33 |
| devananda | ++ to thinking about this more | 17:33 |
| jroll | and is on the order of months/years, not a week | 17:33 |
| jroll | so yes, we should continue this conversation | 17:33 |
| rloo | so we shouldn't have let any in, in the first place. sigh. | 17:33 |
| rloo | if this is going to take more than a week, then we should let proliant in. | 17:34 |
| jroll | for NOW... I do not want to wait to decide on proliantutils | 17:34 |
| jroll | right, should we let them in or not, today | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | well, cheating in a PTL election is not hard | 17:34 |
| jroll | I vote yes for consistency sake | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | ++ for yes | 17:34 |
| rloo | yes (unfortunately) | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | +1 for in, since we already have other vendors | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | We have already let some in | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | so Yes | 17:34 |
| jroll | does anyone vehemently disagree? | 17:34 |
| sambetts | For more context on the neutron stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/9/specs/newton/neutron-stadium.rst | 17:35 |
| devananda | +1 for consistency today, and +1 for continuing the discussion more broadly | 17:35 |
| jroll | (counting 6 yes 0 no so far) | 17:35 |
| rloo | i assume the caveat would be if that vendor doesn't have CI, their packages are OUT | 17:35 |
| jroll | rloo: another interesting debate to have there :) | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | this is a possibility | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | +1, we agreed, maybe informally, that new driver additions would require CI | 17:36 |
| jroll | it was pretty formal :) | 17:36 |
| jroll | okay, I'm going to ack that patch then. thanks y'all. | 17:36 |
| devananda | yea, we have a pretty clear agreement at this point: for a driver to be in ironic's tree, it needs CI | 17:36 |
| * krtaylor need to make sure that was in the spec | 17:36 | |
| jroll | looking forward to someone raising the larger discussion | 17:37 |
| devananda | but that didn't discuss the inclusion of hw-specific libraries in our project governance | 17:37 |
| jroll | yep. | 17:37 |
| jroll | ok, moving on for now | 17:38 |
| * sambetts has been through this nightmare with networking-cisco (our neutron drivers) and can say its not very fun | 17:38 | |
| sambetts | hence I've left cisco-ironic-contrib out of the goverence | 17:38 |
| jroll | #topic midcycle! | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle! (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:39 | |
| jroll | so I've spoken privately with a few people on this | 17:39 |
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| jroll | I think our virtual midcycle went very well last round | 17:39 |
| jroll | but we need to decide whether that should be virtual or physical this year | 17:39 |
| jroll | some folks have offered space if we do a physical midcycle | 17:39 |
| jroll | the pros of a physical midcycle are higher-bandwidth comms, more networking opportunities, we get to see each other's beautiful faces | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | I would like to have a physical midcycle for all the reasons jroll just listed | 17:40 |
| jroll | pros of a virtual midcycle are that generally more folks can attend (though some may be left out of virtual due to time zones) | 17:40 |
| rloo | if physical, is it in the US? | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | can we look at a hybrid type midcycle? | 17:41 |
| jroll | rloo: likely | 17:41 |
| mariojv | +1 hybrid | 17:41 |
| * mgould thought the virtual midcycle went very well | 17:41 | |
| * dtantsur as usual votes for a virtual one | 17:41 | |
| sambetts | +1 to virtual | 17:41 |
| mgould | also I'd be unlikely to be able to attend a physical one in the US | 17:41 |
| jroll | IME a room full of people talking over voice to a single person is terrible experience for the single person | 17:41 |
| rloo | does time frame matter? | 17:41 |
| jroll | so -1 to hybrid | 17:41 |
| davidlenwell | -1000 to virtual | 17:41 |
| mgould | +2 to virtual, +1 to hybrid :-) | 17:41 |
| * sambetts would also like to see multiple intercycle virtual meetings | 17:42 | |
| devananda | I would like to have a f2f midcycle this time, as well as regular virtual meetings (eg monthly, or something) | 17:42 |
| * jlvillal personally likes physical ones. But he likely can't attend this time as he has vacation plans :( | 17:42 | |
| devananda | -1 to hybrid, for the reason jroll mentioned | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | +1 for regular virtual meetings | 17:42 |
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| mgould | jroll, by "hybrid" I was thinking "some sessions are physical, others are virtual" | 17:42 |
| jroll | rloo: elaborate? | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | +1 virtual, frees up travel budget for summit | 17:42 |
| rloo | the cinder midcycle was hybrid, wasn't it | 17:42 |
| mgould | I don't know if that could be made to work | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | it's depends on the location for me (and most ppl I guess) | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | +1 virtual meetings -1 virtual mid-cycles | 17:42 |
| devananda | jroll: have you talked with the Nova team about colocating? | 17:42 |
| jroll | rloo: the cinder midcycle was physical, virtual was read only | 17:42 |
| rloo | jroll: I mean, folks prefer virtual/physical regardless of when it might be held? | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | +1 virtual | 17:42 |
| mariojv | perhaps there should be a vote on the ML about this | 17:43 |
| jroll | devananda: I have not | 17:43 |
| rloo | jroll: there was utube video of cinder midcycle | 17:43 |
| jroll | rloo: right, but folks not in the room could not participate | 17:43 |
| rloo | jroll: the one that TheJulia was in. | 17:43 |
| * mgould is wondering if the voting is breaking down purely on geographical lines | 17:43 | |
| mariojv | many who would be affected by a TZ difference with a virtual midcycle or who may be traveling internationally might not be in this meeting | 17:43 |
| rloo | jroll: OH. | 17:43 |
| jroll | to be clear I'm taking this to the mailing list after the meeting | 17:43 |
| mgould | NAians want physical, rest-of-worldians want virtual... | 17:43 |
| jroll | but wanted to get initial feedback | 17:43 |
| rloo | +1 for virtual just to wreck mgould's stats. | 17:44 |
| devananda | mgould: in my experience, it was never perfectly along those lines | 17:44 |
| mgould | rloo, hah :-) | 17:44 |
| devananda | :) | 17:44 |
| mat128 | +1 physical midcycle, +1 virtual meetings on a regular basis | 17:44 |
| mat128 | oops late :P | 17:44 |
| jroll | my personal vote is also for virtual, because there are people that I really wish were present, that won't or can't attend a physical midcycle | 17:44 |
| cinerama | having been NA and !NA, i would still vote for physical midcycle even if i had to travel (pending funding) | 17:44 |
| krtaylor | I would rather be able to participate, even at a lower bandwidth, that not be able to go due to travel budget | 17:45 |
| * sambetts doesn't see much gained for a 8+ hour flight over a virtual midcycle | 17:45 | |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | yeah, oversees flight with its prices just for 2-3 days... I won't even remember you all due to jet lag :D | 17:46 |
| mat128 | I'd be down to try a virtual meetup, considering I wasn't part of the last one and heard it went well | 17:46 |
| devananda | dtantsur, sambetts: arguing at a white board and then drinking together afterwards :) | 17:46 |
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| jlvillal | EU could have a midcycle at the same time ;) | 17:47 |
| jroll | right, so "beer at night" is the primary reason for physical that I hear these days | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | if we go virtual it might be good to have a screen share of some kind | 17:47 |
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| jroll | and I don't think that's valuable enough to artificially exclude half of our cores | 17:47 |
| jroll | (half is a straw man number to be clear) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | also note that it's likely that both design summits the next year will be in NA ;) | 17:47 |
| jroll | so s/half/a significant portion/ | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | IMHO, physical is less open, favors participants that have deep travel budgets | 17:48 |
| cinerama | i'm more of a visual person so sometimes i get a bit lost in the audio-only stuff | 17:49 |
| * mgould can drink beer during the virtual sessions, if it would help... | 17:49 | |
| krtaylor | lol | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | krtaylor, +1 (mgould +1 there too) | 17:49 |
| jroll | mgould: that most certainly happened last cycle :) | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | mgould: lol | 17:49 |
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| jroll | I'm going to open up discussion in case folks have other topics, feel free to continue this one as well. I'll send an email to the list later today. | 17:49 |
| mariojv | cinerama: i agree about the visual aspect being important; i was wondering if there's a video service where we could hold enough people | 17:49 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:49 |
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| cinerama | i also think that strengthening relationships between folks is an important thing that comes out of summit and midcycles, even if that doesn't directly map to a technical goal | 17:49 |
| jroll | mariojv: not with free software :( | 17:50 |
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| dtantsur | mgould, I was drinking whiskey the last time :) | 17:50 |
| mgould | mariojv, we looked into this and couldn't find a solution that was both scalable enough and open-source :-( | 17:50 |
| mgould | dtantsur, me too :-) | 17:50 |
| mariojv | i see, that's unfortunate. | 17:50 |
| sambetts | hangouts works for break out sessions up to a point | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: one other thing to consider, the proposed changes to summit and introduction of the new "PTG" event may replace midcycles in a year | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | nothing for Open Discussion? | 17:52 |
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| rloo | are we looking at July for the midcycle? | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, yeah, I think that if we need to use video (to share screen or something like that) we can get a group of people that is working on specific problem and start a hangout to deal with it | 17:52 |
| jroll | devananda: yep | 17:53 |
| jroll | rloo: likely, maybe early august. we didn't get to the "when" :) | 17:53 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: most of the collaboration tools like that are proprietary / platform-specific | 17:54 |
| rloo | jroll: ok. early aug is out for me so my vote wouldn't count if it was for then. | 17:54 |
| jroll | devananda: lucasagomes: which is okay if it's a focused group of folks that all accept that. just not ok for the main event | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah. But I was thinking about having a video chat (if needed) only with a sub group of the people working on a specific problem | 17:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: this is one of the big challenges with a virtual midcycle: we have folks on so many different platforms, some with high network latency | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | say people working on grenade | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yes, not for the main event | 17:55 |
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| lucasagomes | well can talk about it on the ML | 17:55 |
| devananda | some folks may be excluded due to technology, if the chosen communication medium is not open | 17:55 |
| devananda | even if they want to join that subgroup | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | bluejeans is web based no? | 17:56 |
| devananda | there's no perfect answer | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, it requires a plugin | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 for the concerns | 17:56 |
| jroll | tl;dr if we choose a technology, it needs to be stallman-compatible and low-bandwidth, else someone gets excluded | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 17:56 |
| devananda | jroll: exactly | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | lucasagomes: Does Red Hat have an approved video conference system? | 17:56 |
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| jlvillal | Since they tend to be the most open source pure. | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, nop :-( we use bluejeans | 17:57 |
| mat128 | jlvillal: blue jeans | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | k | 17:57 |
| clarkb | asterisk can do it but our install needs an upgrade? | 17:57 |
| rloo | sigh. so if it is physical, folks will be excluded. if it is virtual, we want low-bandwidth so people aren't excluded. | 17:57 |
| clarkb | if people are interested pabelanger can probably provide more infos | 17:57 |
| rloo | and either way, folks in different time zones are/maybe excluded. | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | *Two* Minutes | 17:58 |
| rloo | who really wants to be in the mid-cycle? :) | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | clarkb: I would love more info | 17:58 |
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| mat128 | Can't believe in 2016 we dont have anything to host 50 participants and a video stream | 17:58 |
| jroll | computers are the worst | 17:59 |
| jroll | :) | 17:59 |
| mat128 | rloo: I want to assist, physical or virtual | 17:59 |
| jroll | one minute left, shall we? | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | ++ thank you all great meeting | 17:59 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 17:59:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-05-09-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-05-09-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-05-09-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| jroll | thanks all | 17:59 |
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